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SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS LANGUAGE AND EWE LANGUAGE OF WEST AFRICA TODAY (1 .) BY KOKOU GOUMENU AKA KAMAVI KAMITI .
The Djed represents balance and stability. It has been interpreted as the backbone of the Egyptian god Osiris , especially in the form Banebdjedet (the ba of the lord of the Djedet) . Djedu is the Egyptian name for Busiris, a centre of the cult of Osiris.
EGYPT: Hèdj / hè dj = WHITE ---- EWE: Hè / Hé=WHITE.
EGYPT: TA / TO = LAND ---EWE: TA /TO =LAND (EXAMPLE 1: APU TA = THE BEACH = LAND NEAR THE OCEAN . EXAMPLE 2 : ETOH TO = BEACH = LAND NEAR A LAKE OR RIVER ).
EGYPT: BA = SOUL ----EWE : BA=SOUL (EXAMPLE : DJO LE "BA" DJI NA M = DON T STAY ON MY SOUL .
EGYPT: KA=SPIRIT ---- EWE : KA = SPIRIT (EXAMPLE : AGBE KA = LIVING SPIRIT=LIFE FORCE (KA ANKH IN ANCIENT EGYPT), AND THE SERPENT WHO REPRESENT THE SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS CALL "KA" IN THE NIGHT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE NIGHT THAT PEOPLE SLEEP AND CONNECT THEIR SPIRITS TO THE DREAM WORLD ).
EGYPT: NOU/NOUOU/NOUT/NUN =THE SKY GODESSE ----EWE : NOU/NOUOU=SKY GODESSE (EXAMPLE 1: M TA NOU = I SWEAR TO GOD = M = I -- TA = SWEAR AND YOU TOUCHE THE GROUND/LAND WITH YOUR FINGER -- NOU =SKY GODESSE AND POINT YOUR FINGER TO THE SKY . EXAMPLE 2: NOU IN THE EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHE IS REPRESENT AS A VASE(MUD) AND IN EWE TO SAY LID (TOP OF A VASE WHO CLOSE IT ) YOU SAY "NOU" TOU=VASE CLOSER . EXEMPLE 3 : NOU/NOUOU IS THE MOTHER OF RA THE SUN IN ANGIENT EGYPT , SHE IS THE ONE BRINGT THE SUN EVERY DAY TO NEW LIFE AND IN EWE TO SAY "THE SUN IS OUT OR IT IS DAY " YOU SAY "NOU KE "= NOU OPEN HERSELF BUT IT MEAN TOO" THE MOUTH IS OPEN " AND IN ANCIENT EGYPT YOU CAN SEE IN SOME TEMPLES HOW RA=SUN IS GOING IN THE MOUTH OF GODESSE NOU/NOUT WHICH REPRESENT THE DEAD OF RA = EVENING THUS TO SAY "MOUTH IS OPEN " MEAN THE REBIRTH OF RA ).
EGYPT: RA = THE SUN GOD ---- EWE: RA=DAY THUS SUN (EXAMPLE : MONDAY = DJO "RA" =DAY OF KODJO , TUESDAY = BLA RA = DAY OF ABLA ECT...ALL SEVEN DAYS HAVE " RA" IN IT IN EWE ).
EGYPT: AKHOU / KHOU = SPIRIT OF THE DEAD ---- EWE: EKHOU/KHOU/KOU = DEATH (EXAMPLE: AKHOU / KHOU IN ANCIENT EGYPT REPRESENT THE DEAD DEAD SPIRITS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO RETURN BACK TO THE SOURCE WHO IS GOD RA=THE SUN AND IN EWE DEATH IS "EKHOU/KHOU " BUT IT MEAN ALL SO PIT (CORE) WHICH IS THE SOURCE THUS GOD AND THE SUN IS CALLED IN EWE DO "KHOU" SSOU =THE INDEPENDANT SOURCE / CORE OF FIRE AND THE EWES DO A CEREMONY FOR DEADS SPIRIT 40 DAYS LATER AFTER THEIR DEATH CALLED LU TU = CONTACT WITH THE LIGHT LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT WHERE YOU FIND THE SAME CEREMONY IN THE BOOK OF THE COMIN FORTH IN DAY LIGHT (BOOK OF THE DEAD) THUS EKHOU IN EWE AND ANCIENT EGYPT MEAN " THE JOURNEY BACK THE CORE/SOURCE/GOD/RA/THE SUN THAT S WHY THE PYRAMID (THE GRAVES) HAS THIS FORM WHO ELEVATE FROM EARTH AND COME TO ONE POINT ON THE TOP WHO IS THE SOURCE WHERE TO RETURN TO GOD RA IN HEAVEN , THIS FORM OF THE PYRAMID IS SHOWIN PEOPLE THE JOURNEY OF THE DEAD SPIRIT OF PHAROAH TRAVELLING TO THE SKY TO GO BACK TO THE UNIQUE GOD IN HEAVEN ) .
EGYPT: HOU/HU = VERB/ PRONOUNCED WORD =SOUND ---- EWE : HOU/HU/HOUN = SOUND / DRUM THUS WORDS BECAUSE THE SOUNDS OF A AFRICAN DRUM ARE CONSIDERE BY AFRICAN AS THE WORDS AND VOICE OF THE ANCESTOR/GOD .
EGYPT: SIA = PERCEPTION / IMAGINATION ---- EWE : SIA = PERCEPTION /IMAGINATION ( EXAMPLE PERCEPTION MEAN " SEEN " IN YOUR SPIRIT THUS UNDERSTANDING SO IN EWE IF YOU SAY " SIA " TO SOMEBODY YOU ARE ASK HIM/HER IF HE/SHE SEEN /PERCEIVED OR UNDERSTOOD WELL BECAUSE PERCEPTION COMES FROM THE FRENCH VERB PERCER/PERCU WHO MEAN "TO COME THROUGH " A SECRET THUS UNDERSTANDING SO IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO UNDERSTAND/KNOW (WARNING) SOMETHING YOU SAY " SIA " AND SIA MEAN PERCEPTION AND IMAGINATION AT THE SAME TIME IN EWE TOO BECAUSE IF YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY WHO PRAISE ( BLOW ) HIMSELF " MA KPO NOU TCHAN SIA " = I M GOING TO SEE THINGS , WITH A VIEW OF YOUR GREAT LIFE EXPERIENCES COMPARED TO A IGNORAND WHO IS PRAISING HIMSELF " LIKE YOU CAN TEACH ME NOTHING I SEEN TO MUCH THINGS IN MY LIFE " BUT BECAUSE YOU USE THE FUTUR TIME TO CONVERSE THE VERB ( I M "DOING" TO SEE THINGS) MEAN "IMAGINATION " / PERCEPTION BECAUSE PERCEPTION (LIKE THE DICTIONNARYS ARE SAYIN) IS THE PRESENT RELATIF TO THE FUTUR SO YOU ARE IMAGINATE OR SEE THINGS WHO KANN HAPPEN OR HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTUR OR WHO IS HAPPENING ( WAIT(EXPECTATION)) IMAGINATION=TRYIN TO SEE IMAGES WHO YOU NEVER SEEN IN YOUR SPIRIT) . EGYPT: MAAT/MA/MAA= BALANCE / EQUALITY / HARMONY THUS FUSION ECT---- EWE : MAA/MA=EQUALITY/BALANCE / FUSION ( EXAMPLE : IN ANCIENT EGYPT MAAT IS THE NETER OF BALANCE/TRUTH/EQALITY ECT AND HIGHES ATTRIBUT OF GOD AND GOD IN EWE IST CALLED MAA WU/MA WU = THE HIGHES TRUTH/ PRECISION ODER THE MUCH TRUTH ) .
EGYPT: HEQA= MAGIQUE / IS A UNIT OF MEASURE OF THE VOLUMES (4,8 LITERS ---- EWE : HEKA/EKA=MAGIQUE / IS A UNIT OF MEASURE OF THE VOLUMES (40 GRAMME) BY THE EWE IT BEEN USE TO MEASURE FOOD LIKE REIS/MAIS AT THE MARKET .
EGYPT: SOKAR=IS A DEITY ---- EWE : SOKA=DEITY OR A GOD FORCE
EGYPT: KAM/KEM = BLACK / COAL / ACCOMPLISHMENT THUS COMPLETLY ---EWE: KA / KAMI=BLACK /COAL AND KEM MEAN COMPLETLY THUS ACCOMPLISHMENT IN EWE ( EXAMPLE : THE HIEROGLYPHE KAM / K M IN EGYPT IS THE REPRESENTATION OF A COAL THUS BLACK AND IN EWE THE WORD " KA" MEAN SPIRIT BUT COAL TOO AND WE KNOW THAT THE KA= SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT HAS A BLACK COLOR SO IN EWE KA MEAN COAL AND "KA MI" MEAN SMALL COALS WHICH LOOK LIKE COAL POWDER , "MI" IS THE PLURAL OF "M/Mé" WHO MEAN "ME" OR ONE " PERSON " IN EWE (ONE PERSON IS M/MéAND MANY PERSONS ARE "MI" ) SO WHEN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS USED THE LETTERS " K M " THUS KAM THEY ARE WRITING KA - MI = LITTLE /SMALL COALS (FRAGMENT FROM THE GREAT COAL ) IN PLURAL WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT EGYPT AS (COLLECTIVE PEOPLE) THE LAND OF BLACK PEOPLE (BLACK NATION ) AND THEY ARE WRITING KA-M / Mé WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT OSIRIS = KAM - WUR OR KEM WUR = THE GREAT BLACK , SO THE BLACK EGYPTIANS CHILDEN OF OSIRIS ARE KA-MI = SMALL COALS OF THE BIG GREAT COAL /BLACK WHO IS OSIRIS AND BEFORE WE FORGET KA MEAN SPIRIT IN ANCIENT EGYPT LIKE IN EWE TOO SO "KA MI" MEAN ALL SO CHILDREN OF THE GREAT BLACK SPIRIT = BLACK HUMANS CHILDREN OF OSIRIS/SON OF GOD BECAUSE WE HAVE A "KA"= SPIRIT AS HUMAN BEINGS . NORMALY IN EWE MANY BIG COALS TOGETHER ARE JUST CALLED KA WITHOUT THE PLURAL FORM SO " KA MI" ARE THE SMALL ONES SO WE CAN SEE THE REASON WHY THEY CALLED OSIRIS GREAT BECAUSE HE IS UNIQUE ( BECAUSE THEY SEEN THEIR GOD AS A PARENT AND BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE WITH THEIR GOD OSIRIS BECAUSE IN THE WORD UNIQUE YOU FIND THE WORD UNIFICATION ) AND WHY THEY CALL THEMSELFS "KA MI = SMALL / CHILDREN OF THE GREAT BLACK SPIRIT " BUT WHY DID THEY USE "K M" HIEROGHYPHES TO SAY "KAMI AND KAM" AT THE SAME TIME WITH NO LETTER CHANGES OR ADDICTION ? 1 . BECAUSE YOU DON T USE JUST A SINGLE COAL TO MAKE FIRE IN AFRICA THAT DON T WORK ( REAL WOOD COAL NOT LIKE THE COAL TODAY IN THE SUPERMARKET ) , 2 . WE SEEN THAT IN EWE MANY BIG COALS ARE JUST CALLED " KA" WITHOUT A PLURAL FORM BECAUSE YOU MUST HAVE MANY OF IT TO MAKE ONE FIRE BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAY "COAL POWDER " YOU SAY KA-MI = LITTLE COALS , SO THE NAME WHICH EGYPTIANS USED TO CALL THEMSELFS LIKE "KA MI WOU " = THE BLACK ONES / THOSE WHO ARE BLACK CAN BE EXPLAIN IN EWE BECAUSE THE EGYPTIANS HIEROGLYPHE WHO IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE "W" IS THE PLURAL FORM OF "THAT/THE ONE " SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY "THE ONE" IN PLURAL WHICH IS "THOSE" YOU SAY "W" =WOU BUT I THINK THE REAL PRONOUNCIATION IS "WO" BECAUSE IN EWE " WO" MEAN TOO " THOSE / THE ONES" SO KAMIWO IN EWE MEAN THE SAME THING LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND K M T = THE NAME OF EGYPT WILL BE " KA MI TA" = LAND OF THE BLACK PEOPLE IN EWE = ( NATION OF BLACK HUMAN BEINGS / THOSE WHO HAVE A KA BECAUSE THE COLOR OF THE SPIRIT IS BLACK AND THEY HAVE BLACK SKIN BECAUSE THE GREAT SPIRIT WHO OSIRIS IS IS SEND FROM "RA" = THE SUN ON EARTH TO GIVE LIFE / SPIRIT TO THE WORLD AND THE SUN IS FIRE SO OSIRIS / THE GREAT KA = SPIRIT WHO THE SUN SEND ON EARTH IS FIRE / LIGHT SHELF OF THE SUN THUS THE COLOR OF LIGHT SHELF / FIRE / KA IS BLACK BECAUSE WHEN FIRE TOUCH THINGS AND BURN THEM IT TURN BLACK LIKE TAN (SUNBATHE/BRONZED) SO THE SPIRIT = KA /SUN LIGHT SHELF MUST BE BLACK IN THE FIRST PLACE IN THE CORE BECAUSE IT GIVE A BLACK COLOR AFTER TOUCHING / GIVING LIFE ) THUS KA=COAL=BLACK/SPIRIT -- MI=THOSE /PEOPLE=MANY PERSON -- TA = LAND ALL TOGETHER = "LAND OF THE BLACK HUMAN BEING " IN EWE LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT .
EGYPT: WUR = GREAT ---EWE: WU = MUCH / INFINITE THUS GREAT ( EXAMPLE : LIKE IN THE NAME MAA WU = GOD IN EWE , MAA WU =THE INFINITE TRUTH/BALANCE /JUSTICE /HARMONY /ACCURACY ETC....
EGYPT: AMEN /MIN = THE HIDED / GOD---- EWE : AMé/AME/Mé= THE SOUL BECAUSE GOD IS THE SOUL AND AMé/Mé MEAN ALL SO "INSIDE" THUS HIDE .
EGYPT : AY = IS A NAME OF A PRIEST IN ANCIENT EGYPT ---- EWE : AYI = IS A NAME BY EWE PEOPLE .
EGYPT : MèRI = IS A NAME FOR THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS LAND WHICH MEAN LOVE----EWE : MèRI =IS A NAME BY EWE PEOPLE .
EGYPT : KHAT= MATERIAL BODY = THE TOUCHABLE ---- EWE : KHAT / KAH = TOUCH THUS IT IS RELATIF TO THE MATERIAL BODY BECAUSE IT IS THANK THE BODY IF WE CAN TOUCH IN FIRST PLACE .
EGYPT: HOR / HERU = FALCON NETER ANGEL SON OF OSIRIS WHICH YOU MUST AS A DEAD SPIRIT BEVOR YOU SEE THE FATHER "OSIRIS" MEISTER IN OF THE ROOM OF THE DEADS OR ROOM OF THE 2 MAAT ---- EWE: HOR = IS A VODOO WHICH YOU CALL IF YOU WANT TO TALK WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE DEADS THUS YOU MUST SEE HIM BEFORE YOU CAN GO TO THE ROOM OF THE DEADS TO TALK WITH THEM LIKE IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND THE NAME "HERU" IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS SAY "HéLU / HELU" IN EWE MAYBE THE "R" TURNED TO "L" WITH THE TIME WHEN WORDS ARE NOT CORRECTLY PRONOUNCED BECAUSE A OTHER HAUS (TRIBE) OF EWE PEOPLE IS CALLED PéRA PEOPLE (LIKE THE NAME OF PHAROAH= PER AA / PERAA) BUT THIS NAME (PéRA) TURN TO "PLA" TO ABBREVIATE THIS NAME AND SOME PEOPLE SAY NOW "PéDA" SO WE CAN SEE THAT THE LETTERS "R" CAN TURN TO "L" IN AFRIKA AND YOU CALL THE NAME HéLU IF YOU WANT TO SAY TO SOMEBODY " GOD IS WATCHING YOU " AND HERU IN ANCIENT EGYPT IS THE NETER/ ANGEL ONE WHO HAS THE ALL WATCHING EYE CALLED OUDJAT .
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Akanfo (ah-kahn'-foh) in the Twi language of the Akan means Akan people. Akanfo originated in ancient Khanit, also called Keneset (Ancient Nubia), at the beginning of human existence upon Asaase (Earth). This is the region of contemporary Sudan and South Sudan in the Eastern region of Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Africa). We eventually migrated around the world. Some Akanfo migrated north of Khanit and settled ancient Kamit (ancient Egypt), while others remained in Khanit. Over the millennia, Akanfo migrated to West Afuraka/Afuraitkait (West Africa) establishing the ancient civilization of Akana (Khanat - Ghana). Some Akanfo were also a component of the Kanem empire (pre-Bornu), the original/authentic Black Berber empire (Abibiri-fo) and the Kong empire (Kan) before ultimately migrating to and settling in the areas of contemporary Ghana (Akana) and Ivory Coast. Akanfo presently comprise approximately 45.3 percent of the population of Ghana (11,000,000) and approximately 42.1 percent of the population of Ivory Coast (9,000,000). Collectively, there are over 20,000,000 Akanfo in West Afuraka/Afuraitkait, including smaller populations in Togo, Burkina Faso and other areas.
"...The term Nana is a reduplication of the root na. In the Twi language, the root 'na' is defined as that which is rare, precious; ancient (Ancestry), great. The Twi language is derived of our Ancestral language of ancient Khanit/Keneset and Kamit (Nubia and Egypt). We therefore find that in the metutu (hieroglyphics) the term na, written , means: great, greatness; benevolence.
We also find that the term sm (som) written in the metutu as means: a deed or undertaking; a custom, a practice; to ritually provoke, to ritually place offerings on an altar.
Thus in our ancient Ancestral language these terms also describe an undertaking, custom and practice of ritual invocation and ritual offering (service) to They Who are great, benevolent. These are the ancient conceptual and phonetic roots of the term and nature of Nanasom, for Khanit/Keneset and Kamit are the roots of Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Religious inheritance. All Black People--and only Black People--wherever we exist in the world are Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut (Africans) and share in these linguistic and cultural roots..."
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Senegalese Lutte (Wolof and Serer) and ancient Egyptian wrestling
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Serer is the name of the second largest ethnic group located in Senegal and the Gambia in West Africa. The word Serer, in ancient Egyptian, means "he who traces the temples." Thus, although Serer are mainly found today in Senegal, they have a long history across Africa. Some Serer people are also found in the country of Mauretania. They are an ancient people whose history reaches deep into the past during various migrations from the North and East to their present home in West Africa. In fact, the Serer have several distinct languages, although they are viewed as one ethnic group. For example, the largest language among the Serer is called Serer-Sine, but there is also Serer-Noon, Serer – Ndut, Serer-Palor, Serer-Safen, and Serer-Lehar. These distinct languages are spoken in different parts of the countries of Senegal, Gambia, and Mauretania, and they represent the remnants of powerful ancient kingdoms, specifically the Kingdom of Sine and the Kingdom of Saloum. The latter kingdom counts more than 100 kings in its lineage, from the 11th century to the 21st century.
Religiously, the Serer follow the pattern of many West African people: They have a belief in one Supreme Deity, Roog. In their view, Roog created Everything in the universe, but all of the ordinary things that have to do with daily life, relationships, land disputes, war, and death are left to the ancestors. Among the Serer, there are elaborate ceremonies surrounding their relationship with their clan and totemic ancestors. Names such as Faye, Sar, Fall, Diagne, and Diouf are considered totemic for the Serer.
The oral tradition of the Serer states that they traveled from the Upper Nile to West Africa. One of the reasons that Cheikh Anta Diop claimed that the Serer were able to reject Islam, being one of the few African groups in the West African Sahel region to do so successfully, might be because of their strong connection to their ancient religious past. Scholars have long believed that the route of the Serer from their ancient homeland in East Africa can be traced by upright stones found along the latitude they traveled from East to West, from Ethiopia to the region of Sine-Saloum.
Linked to the religious beliefs of the Serer is the fact that their ancestors came through the Sudanese village of Tundi-Daro and erected upright stones in the shape of a phallus and a female organ. It is believed that this was an agrarian practice that symbolized the ritual union of the sky and Earth as a way to give birth to vegetation, their daughter. The vegetation from this divine union was a cosmic trinity that harks back to the African trinity of Ausar-Auset-Heru. Thus, the ancestors to the Serer carved stones of two sexual organs to invite the divinities to couple and give them good harvests. It was the desire to ensure material existence that drove humans to this process of ritualizing the divine union.
The Serer people still retain the deity service to the upright stones. At one time during the 14th century, they planted pestles that were used as altars for libations, called dek-kur, by the Wolof who have mixed with many of the Serer. Indeed, the idea of dek-kur means anvil or receptacle. The ancient town of Tundi-Daro means, in Wolof, the hill of sexual union in a ritual sense, affirming much of the Serer oral tradition.
What is more interesting in terms of the religion of the Serer is that their burial rites were the same as those of the ancient kings of Ghana and Egypt. The deceased, after an elaborate ceremony, was buried in luxury depending on what was available, laid on a bed, and around him were placed all the usual domestic and ordinary materials, tools, and objects with which he was familiar during life and maybe a rooster to awaken him. He may have been mummified in the manner of Sunni Ali Ber, the great king of Songhai, because mummification seems to have remained only in the Angola region.
There are many linkages to other parts of Africa, specifically ancient Kemet, in the religion of Serer. It seems possible that the Serer found the sacred city of Kaon upon their arrival in Sine – Saloum as a replica of the Egyptian city of the same name. In addition, the name of the deity Roog suggests Ra. Indeed, Roog was often complemented by the national epithet, Sen. Kemetologists have seen in the Serer name Sar, a widely used Serer name, the idea of nobility, because in ancient Kemet (Egypt), the term Sa Ra meant Son of God. A linguistic variant of this is San, from the nobility of Sudan, as in the expression San-Kore, the area where the nobility and intellectuals lived in Timbuktu.
Clearly, the Serer represent an African people with an extensive religious history and fascinating regard for human community as expressed in their language. From their famous burial mounds, tumuli, or pyramids to their intense philosophical reflections on the nature of space and time, human relationships, and the meaning of life, the Serer are in the tradition of Africans who have confronted their environment with numerous questions and answers.
Molefi Kete Asante
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See also Ancestors Further Readings
Asante, M. K., & Nwadiora, E. (2007). Spear Masters: Introduction to African Religion. Lanham, MD: University Press of America. Diop, C. A. (1987). Precolonial Black Africa. Westport, CT: Lawrence Hill.
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aNUN rA SAYS Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
Here you go again. This is nonsense. Patrol has been here long before you and he has never argued for any "Hamitic Model." Quite the opposite. He has confronted numerous trolls and assorted racists to the contrary multiple times. Your continual claims along this line seems diversionary. No one is being fooled.
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When your bath salt-induced psychosis is over, be sure to let us know.
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^^ White Devil (the truth is pissing him off). He or the other albinos cannot refute cultural affinity (preserved by Africans), and this is why they will only deal with Western based sciences. This cultural affinity kills them in every way because it then just becomes COMMON SENSE, and their obfuscating NONsense can NEVER deat COMMON SENSE. Not presenting your stance (the truth) by his rules is begging him/her for a meltdown.
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The Amasunzu is an ancient Rwandan hairstyle. If you look at more angles of it you see that it is not much like the blue crown of Egypt but only look slightly similar from the side
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
Maybe not based on current genetic results, but you may be right about this. But my question is related to OTHER AFRICAN POPULATIONS than Southern Egyptians, Northeast and East Africans. Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
That's why I asked you the question about West Africans and Eurasians.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
You are delusional, for imposing this question in me. Ancient Egyptians are close to South Egyptian populations. Northeast, East Africans. Not to West Africans or Eurasians. I have cited sources for this matter already. Yet, you want everybody to jump on your delusional racist bandwagon. But, I am not joining you.
Different African taxonomy arose within Africa, as I have shown, you happen to call it hamitic like those Early European anthropologist. Your racist hamitic theory caused the Tutsi-Hutu war. Swenet, Beyoku others and I are against this theory.
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TrollPatrol you are fucking double agent too! This is how far you crackers go to obscure our history...SMH!
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Okay, so lets do a net assessment. So far we have deliberately off-topic spam and psychotic rants by some presumably gay troll who posts pictures of near-naked, oiled and sweaty men, but no reaction to my post. Does this mean that you're waving the white flag like your butt-buddy Amun?
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Okay, so lets see. See far we have deliberately off-topic spam and psychotic rants by some presumably gay troll who posts pictures of near-naked, oiled and sweaty men, but no reaction to my post. Does this mean that you're waving the white flag like your butt-buddy Amun?
Boy I been done stomped your ass in this "debate". Just look at how smaller and smaller your points of contention became throughout this discussion. I mean your reply skipped how many points made from my post? You have no clue how to deal with the contextualization of my evidence and the subsequent narrative that has been put forth. You could only pretend that the "Negroid" cranial morphology is not a characteristic of M2 lineage carrying, Niger Congo speakers. Your denial of this "Negroid" affinity equating to a "Niger-Congo affinity (even when "Niger-Congo is specially stated) is why you don't have **** to say about "Benin" sickle cell (our "Niger-Congo" blood disease) being present in those "Negroid" Pre-Dynastic mummies. You had no answer to that fact compounded with the findings of Ramses III and his son being E1b1a ("Niger-Congo" M2 lineage). You then want to say that the only M2 lineage, sickle carrying people on Earth were not in the mix of Africans along the Nile ("people who looked exactly like them were though"). All tf you could do was be a cracker (NOTHING but naysay towards the painful truth) in response. We haven't even gotten into the TRUE linguistic aspect of the debate. The cultural aspect which I'm presenting now has your nuts shrivled up...and you're just saying "stop dUuDE" (white boy). Then there is the glaring fact that the more modernized these Africans become the more they are sharing their ancient history with the World via the internet. THEIR version of THEIR history (Niger-Congo speakers) put them all in East Africa on the Nile Valley in ancient times. Are they all "Afro-loons" too? Kill urself honky!
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quote:Originally posted by Akachi: That's why you don't have **** to say about "Benin" sickle cell (our blood disease) being present in Pre-Dynastic mummies.
Of course I don't have anything to say about it. That's because the last time it came up in a big thread, I was the one that brought it up and linked it to known West African lineages. Lol. There is nothing to say. You say it was there in AE, I say it was there. What the phuck is there to talk about you psychotic troll? You're a psychotic little troll, when will you get that?
quote:Originally posted by Akachi: You could only pretend that the "Negroid" cranial morphology is not a characteristic of M2 lineage carrying, Niger Congo speakers.
Where did I say that? Lying ass psycho!
quote:Originally posted by Akachi: You then want to say that the only M2 lineage, sickle carrying people on Earth were not in the mix of Africans along the Nile ("people who looked exactly like them were though").
Where did I say that?
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Of course I don't have anything to say about it. That's because the last time it came up in a big thread, I was the one that brought it up and linked it to known West African lineages. Lol. There is nothing to say. You say it was there in AE, I say it was there. What the phuck is there to talk about you psychotic troll? You're a psychotic little troll, when will you get that? [/QB]
^^ Bitch STFU! You tried to fight back, but you ended up bending.
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Just so people reading this don't get it misconstrued, the psychotic troll above me learned about the presence of the Benin variety of sickle cell from people here on ES and elsewhere. None of his points are new or relevant. Everything he posts was already taken into account when people who have been studying this for years have come to the conclusion that AE was a northeast African population, firmly rooted in the Eastern Sahara. Then this Johnny come lately starts reiterating things he learned here to lecture people here on that they're ignoring *his* arguments (yes, he actually said they were his), SMH. Talk about being completely out of touch with reality!
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: I haven't studied it in-depth either, I'm just making inferences. I'm well aware that many researchers think of sickle cell is a relatively recent disease, but I've seen no molecular specifics for it. In fact, Sickle Cell consistent internal lesions keep cropping up in both dynastic and pre-dynastic mummies. Yes, some TMRCA estimates have been performed, but the authors themselves admit that the estimated haplotypes involve very recent Sahelian expansions. I'm simply putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
--West/Central Africa is the region the Benin SC associated haplotype peaks, and it is also where L1b and L2a emerged ~30kya and ~50kya, respectively, in a Pre-Niger Congo context. From this expansive region both lineages expanded to North Africa 15-10kya in the form of L1b1a and L2a1. See Zheng et al 2012
--Both of these lineages (L1b1a and L2a1) have been found in Neolithic Eurasian aDNA. The former in Chalcolithic Spain and the latter in Pre Pottery Neolithic Syria. Both are also found in dynastic Egyptian aDNA (see the OP).
--Ancient L2a1 survives in some modern Jewish groups and L1b1a and L2a1 survives in (Eastern) Europeans and their examples of L2a1 are closer to West/Central African versions than Ethiopian versions:
quote:If I go back to the HVR1-only level, then there's a large number of matches listed, but split quite obviously between Jewish and African groups -- a number of different specific tribes from Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, and Sierra Leone, in particular, are listed. There are *no* matches listed from Egypt, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, or Sudan, which is the area of the world where you'd expect to see an African/Jewish overlap.
The oldest Eurasian versions of L1b1a and L2a1 coalesce to ~10kya, consistent with Epi-Palaeolithic migration from Egypt, associated with E-M78.
--Benin sickle cell regions in Africa have high L1b and L2a and, surprise surprise, Benin sickle predominates in European nations where 1/3, 2/3 or 3/3 of the aforementioned Epi-Palaeolithic associated lineages have been found been found. In all implied regions, namely, West/Central Africa, the Nile Valley, the Levant, South- Eastern Europe the predominant SC variant is always the Benin one.
quote: Originally posted by Akachi: Bitch STFU! You tried to fight back, but you ended up bending.
SMH at these Atlanta homo thugs. I can only imagine how Chad Butler felt, lmao.
Also, this bum referred to sickle cell several times as "our "Niger-Congo blood disease", as if HbS is a badge of honor. How mentally deranged can you possibly be?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
Maybe not based on current genetic results, but you may be right about this. But my question is related to OTHER AFRICAN POPULATIONS than Southern Egyptians, Northeast and East Africans. Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
That's why I asked you the question about West Africans and Eurasians.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
You are delusional, for imposing this question in me. Ancient Egyptians are close to South Egyptian populations. Northeast, East Africans. Not to West Africans or Eurasians. I have cited sources for this matter already. Yet, you want everybody to jump on your delusional racist bandwagon. But, I am not joining you.
Different African taxonomy arose within Africa, as I have shown, you happen to call it hamitic like those Early European anthropologist. Your racist hamitic theory caused the Tutsi-Hutu war. Swenet, Beyoku others and I are against this theory.
Do you understand?
TrollPatrol you are fucking double agent too! This is how far you crackers go to obscure our history...SMH!
If you can tell where the cranial specimen is from, shown by me. Then you maybe have an argument. But by that time you've been debunked again.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: aNUN rA SAYS Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
Here you go again. This is nonsense. Patrol has been here long before you and he has never argued for any "Hamitic Model." Quite the opposite. He has confronted numerous trolls and assorted racists to the contrary multiple times. Your continual claims along this line seems diversionary. No one is being fooled.
You must be kidding.
I would have no problem with troll, beyoku or swenet if they didn't claim Ancient Egyptians to be closer to Eurasians than most African people like West Africans.
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I don't think Beyoku or TP said such a thing, it was ME who said that UP Egyptian were closer to Eurasians as a result of isolation by distance during OOA. If you have a problem with it then you have a problem with the evidence. I'm merely citing evidence and basing my beliefs on it, and as we've seen; you don't like the evidence. It's like kryptonite to a racist afroloon like you. You run away when you see evidence and drop the topic as fast as you can, only to return later and claim you're right. This is like, what, the tenth time you ran away from my posts?
Fact: Neolithic individuals whose ancestors interacted genetically with Upper Palaeolithic Egyptians share a component with Eurasians which resembles OOA ancestry (basal Eurasian).
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: If you can tell where the cranial specimen is from, shown by me. Then you maybe have an argument. But by that time you've been debunked again.
Cracker....who tf are to say to that what has been presented is valid or not? You ain't fooling a damn soul anymore.... YOU ARE A DOUBLE AGENT (a white boy with multiple accounts, setting up fake debates with sock puppets being the cliche "eurocenetic" characters to promote the white lie that the Hamitic hypothesis is a valid defense of black African history)...It is your job as a double agent to obscure the common sense truth at all cost (even blowing your double agent cover by looking like a cowardly dumbass in the process).
Your picture comparison of Tut is a picture that obscures his wide nostrils and fat lips, which are contrary features to that of the the "Horner" individual that you are comparing him with.
King Tut
You can clearly see his prognatism ("Negroid") in this side view. Horners and subsequently "Caucasians" have flat faces.
Compared Thuya's skull from the side view and her "Negroid" prognathism is undeniable:
Oh and where did King Tut's (and Thuya's) Dna tie him primarily to anyway? Yeah that's right the Niger-Congo speaking populations of Southern Africa, Central Africa and West Africa.
He (and Nefertiti) even wore the Zulu ceremonial crown:
Here is what his little sisters looked like. Peep the lips and the back of those heads.
Why does your implication of a Horner affinity for Tut not have anything to stand on? That's because it's the BULLSHIT baseless Hamitic hypothesis. You mofo's are still trying to do this even when his DNA....proves that he was a "Bantu".
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I would have no problem with troll, beyoku or swenet if they didn't claim Ancient Egyptians to be closer to Eurasians than most African people like West Africans.
Ancient Egyptians would share most affinities to peoples geographically closest to them. The Nubians are their closest ethnic cousins in the Nile Valley. In the later Dynastic civilization other influences multiply including Asiatics like the Hyskos, the Libyan sources, Palestine, later Assyrians, Greeks, etc. Which is why Zarkewski could say that some later period series are not typically Egyptian. The Badarians are a good representative of what the ancient Egyptians were like as Keita, et al show below.
I don;t think you can say everyone ls identical to West Africans, Yes, it is true in the broad general sense, that they ALL are Africans. But keep in mind that there are nearby Nubians, Sudanics, Horners etc. Peoples from these regions are just as African as someone from Ghana, and share features with Ghanians, Nigerians etc.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [/QB]
I agree with this. I also agree that Ancient Egypt got progressively more admixed with Eurasians along the years. Starting probably at low level in pre-dynastic time up to today.
The part I disagree with troll, sweety and beyoku is when they say Ancient Egyptians (especially at their foundation stage) were closer to Eurasians than most African people like West Africans, Southern Africans and Great Lakes Africans.
I would have no problem with troll, beyoku or swenet if they didn't claim Ancient Egyptians to be closer to Eurasians than most African people like West Africans, Great Lakes Africans and Southern Africans. Current genetic analysis of Ancient Egyptian mummies and archaeological results doesn't show any of that
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:you're stupid if you think the blue crown is hair
If the blue crown is Tutsi then all Pharoahs who wear the blue crown are Tutsi
Ramses II
Ramses III (Akenathan as well).
The Central African matches in DNAtribes for Ramses III are the result of Tutsi affinity. Tutsi have a slight genetic distinction from other "Bantu" speakers due to their notable Nilotic admixture (around 15%) which gives them their "Caucasoid" features (taller and thinnER nose) distinction from their Hutu neighbors.
Also this correlation was proven by an actual African..scholar Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop. He was a nuclear scientist and considered by other great historians to be "the African greatest mind of the 20th century", so watch who you call stupid filthy bitch!
quote: ^^^ you can see good detail on the hair texture here
In regards to his hair texture, isn't this common sense by now that the embalming process is the reason that their hair is relaxed and discolored?
Journal of Archaeological Science doi:10.1016/j.jas.2008.07.003
Indications of embalming in Roman Greece by physical, chemical and histological analysis
C. Papageorgopoulou et al.
"The current colour of the hair is brown with reddish highlights, a common observation on many mummies, and probably originated through post-mortem alteration (Aufderheide, 2003; Wilson et al., 2001). Sun-exposure, bacterial reaction, and embalming methods are some of the factors that may affect the original hair colour. As a result, hair that was originally black or brown exhibits reddish, orange or even blond colour due to post mortem alterations. All human hair, however, does not turn red over archaeological time-scales (Wilson, 2001). Based on the histological analysis of the unstained hair samples, the limited fungal influence, and the macroscopic view, it can be assumed that the original hair colour was brown. Similar cases of hair preservation have been reported in studies of both mummified and non-mummified human remains (Aufderheide, 2003; Brothwell and Dobney, 1986; Lubec et al., 1987; White, 1993; Wilson et al., 2002, 2007b)."
But then again assuming that you have "common sense" is just an assumption on my part.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: The part I disagree with troll, sweety and beyoku is when they say Ancient Egyptians (especially at their foundation stage) were closer to Eurasians
Well, what's stopping you from demonstrating that Sweety is wrong, other than the spanking you know awaits you, the second you try take on the data that was posted?
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Based on the current genetic results and basic isolation by distance logic, Upper Palaeolithic Egyptians were genetically closer to Eurasians. Now what, what are you gonna do?
To clarify to the rest of the forum, there is no Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian genome, but for now, the next best thing are the genomes of EEF individuals like Iceman, Gokhem and Stuttgart. These populations would have had Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian admixture, as evidenced by the fact that they brought E-M78/E-V13 to Europe, as well as Nubian-like morphological elements (see Angel) and these EEF populations have little to no West African specific admixture (some reports put the figure of West African ancestry in these Neolithic genomes at a couple of percentages). By far, the most ancestry these EEFs have in common with Africans is shared with Maghrebis, Egyptians and East Africans (and outside of Africa, it's shared with Middle Easteners and Europeans), not West Africans.
These EEF individuals clearly gravitate towards Dinka (see the image below), moreso than other OOA populations, indicating that the shared purple component in the image above (Lazaridis et al 2013) can't be wished away as what some racists like Amun Ra would call "Eurasian ancestry".
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: The part I disagree with troll, sweety and beyoku is when they say Ancient Egyptians (especially at their foundation stage) were closer to Eurasians
Well, what's stopping you from demonstrating that Sweety is wrong, other than the spanking you know awaits you, the second you try take on the data that was posted?
I'm also comfortable with the Ancient DNA results we have on Ancient Egyptians mummies (Ramses III=E1b1a, BMJ, JAMA, DNA Tribes).
quote:[QUOTE]Specifically, both of these ancient individuals inherited the alleles D21S11=35 and CSFIPO=7, which are found throughout Sub-Saharan Africa but are comparatively rare or absent in other regions of the world . These African related alleles are different from the African related alleles identified for the previously studied Amarna period mummies (D18S51=19 and D21S11=34).11 This provides independent evidence for African autosomal ancestry in two different pharaonic families of New Kingdom Egypt.
There's no need to speculate about Ancient Egyptians ethnic affiliations when we already got ancient DNA from Ancient Egyptians...
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2 of more than 20 Amarna alleles were found throughout SSA, and this disproves my point that the native Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian population was a pre-OOA remnant African population, how exactly? LMAO at this inbred cretin.
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^^^It clearly refutes your claim than Ancient Egyptians were genetically closer to Eurasians than West, Southern and Great Lakes Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by Akachi: after I kicked your ass in this debate you fucking conceded that my stance was correct!
By reiterating my belief that sickle cell was present in AE and linked to W/C African lineages, just like how I confirmed the above was the case for Oman, Sicily, and throughout the rest of the Mediterranean, I conceded that your stance (dynastic Egypt was dominated by the Niger-Congo phenotype) was correct? Explain this to me in detail if it's not too taxing on your malnourished mental faculties.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: ^^^It clearly refutes your claim than Ancient Egyptians were genetically closer to Eurasians than West, Southern and Great Lakes Africans.
How? How does the apparent fact that 2 of at least 41 Amarna alleles being found more or less exclusively in SSA according to DNA Tribes, disprove my point that the native Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian population was a pre-OOA remnant African population?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
Ramses II was a Tutsi (Bantu with slight Nilotic admixture) as his crown indicate which was pointed by African scholar Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop:
Tutsi
Everything you're posting, we have posted long ago. Years ago.
You are laughable. And now you're even claiming that the Tutsi have their features due to caucasian admixture. Because they don't feature your racist stereotypical notion. The more you post the more you're showing your actual agenda.
Those Mathilda links were funny, thou.
I have posted info on indigenous taxonomy of different shape, arose within Africa. Swenet has posted metrical data as well. This too was mentioned by SOY Keita. But you reject all this data we have posted, because you are stuck on stupid. What do have? What do you show? You keep ranting like a euronut trying to segregate Africans. Typical.
quote: Southeast and south Asian populations are also often thought to be derived from the admixture of various combinations of western Eurasians (‘Caucasoids’), east Asians and Australasians. ...
These findings, coupled with the recently discovered presence of haplogroup U in Ethiopia [11], support a scenario in which a northeast African population dispersed out of Africa into India, presumably through the Arabian peninsula, before 50,000 years ago (Figure 2). Other migrations into India also occurred, but rarely from western Eurasian populations. ...
Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’— that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.
--Todd R. Disotell.
Human evolution: The southern route to Asia
Volume 9, Issue 24, 30 December 1999, Pages R925–R928
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Troll Patrol said: quote:Migrations into India “did occur, but rarely from western Eurasian populations.” There are low frequencies of the western Eurasian mtDNA types in both southern and northern India. Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’— that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.
--U.S. biological anthropologist Todd R. Disotell.
Patrol, what's the full citation for the above?
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These EEF individuals clearly gravitate towards Dinka (see the image below), moreso than other OOA populations, indicating that the shared purple component in the image above (Lazaridis et al 2013) can't be wished away as what some racists like Amun Ra would call "Eurasian ancestry".
Swenet, at what number location do you estimate the ancient Egyptians might be?
please pick out one or more time periods of Egyptians if you wish and what numerical loction they would liklely place on this chart, thanks
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: Troll Patrol said: quote:Migrations into India “did occur, but rarely from western Eurasian populations.” There are low frequencies of the western Eurasian mtDNA types in both southern and northern India. Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’— that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.
--U.S. biological anthropologist Todd R. Disotell.
Which time frame are you referring to? Like I said the E-M78 Palaeolithic Egyptians who interacted with these EEF individuals don't appear to have left behind any significant Yoruba or Dinka specific ancestry in these Neolithic genomes. All we see is a pure purple which may not entirely be African, but which nevertheless still gravitates to Africans.
The E-M78 neolithic individual from Spain also has little to no SSA specific ancestry when you plug his autosomal STR values, which can be found here. As far as I'm concerned, this proves my point that a sh!tload of pre-OOA African ancestry is hidden in basal Eurasian, but make of that what you will.
As for [native] dynastic Egyptians individuals, I would imagine that they are on the slide between 3 and 9, depending on their relative proportions of Afrasan, Nilo-Saharan Wet Saharan and pre-OOA ancestry. However, based on the cranio-metric data and the African component in modern day Egyptians, by far most dynastic Egyptian remains are Afrasan and pre-OOA in ancestry. In other words, between 5 and 8-9, using the waypoints you've placed on that treemix dendrogram.
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chart from Genomic Diversity and Admixture Differs for Stone-Age Scandinavian Foragers and Farmers. Pontus Skoglund (numbers and "Basal Eurasian" added-lioness)
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:.
by far most dynastic Egyptian remains are Afrasan and pre-OOA in ancestry. In other words, between 5 and 8-9, using the waypoints you've placed on that treemix dendrogram.
^^^ this seems like a safe answer covering a wide margin 5 - 9
If ancient Egyptians are positioned at 5 they are closer to Africans
If ancient Egyptians are positioned at 9 they are Basal Eurasians ( I have a problem with this "basal Eurasian" term-are they not 100% Africans? Also according to Razib Khan's interpretation of articles using this term, it is a ghost population with no existing direct descendants in the modern day)
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:.
UP Egyptian were closer to Eurasians as a result of isolation by distance during OOA.
I assume that's Upper Paleolithic In order for this to be true it seems they would have to be positioned 7-9. Anything lower numbered is closer to Africans.
Amun Ra where do you think dynastic Egyptians place on this chart? pick a more specific time period if you wish, thanks
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quote:Originally posted by lioness,: In order for this to be true it seems they would have to be positioned 7-9. Anything lower numbered is closer to Africans.
Not necessarily. There was a point at which OOA populations were at 4 and 5. This is an inevitable, axiomatic consequence of the tenets of OOA. Can't say you stand by OOA theory and then pretend there was always a separation between Africans and OOA populations. This is precisely what Amun Ra does; despite the presentation of countless data to the contrary, he insists on perpetuating his lie of African and OOA distinctness in prehistory. This is really a function of his stunted mental development; two years down the road and he still doesn't get it. Anyone with a single brain cell knows OOA couldn't have occurred the way he envisions it.
quote:Originally posted by lioness,: ^^^ this seems like a safe answer covering a wide margin 5 - 9
Taking in account everything you've learned here, where would you place them?
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lioness says: I assume that's Upper Paleolithic In order for this to be true it seems they would have to be positioned 7-9. Anything lower numbered is closer to Africans.
What do you define as "Upper Paleolithic"? One Wiki reference gives it a range of 40,000 years- a large time span. What specific time range defines your parameters for "Egyptians"?
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: lioness says: I assume that's Upper Paleolithic In order for this to be true it seems they would have to be positioned 7-9. Anything lower numbered is closer to Africans.
What do you define as "Upper Paleolithic"? One Wiki reference gives it a range of 40,000 years- a large time span. What specific time range defines your parameters for "Egyptians"?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
chart from Genomic Diversity and Admixture Differs for Stone-Age Scandinavian Foragers and Farmers. Pontus Skoglund (numbers and "Basal Eurasian" added-lioness)
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:.
UP Egyptian were closer to Eurasians as a result of isolation by distance during OOA.
The quote "UP" was by Swenet
If that's Upper Paleolithic, let's disregard the term and not get caught up in the semantics of "Upper Paleolithic" He probably menats something else because Upper Paleolithic = 40,000-10,000 years BP
It doesn't matter what that means, forget it, because Swenet later indicated the following >>>
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:.
by far most dynastic Egyptian remains are Afrasan
^^^ let's deal with this statement
Use the dynastic period of Egypt or any set of dates within dynatsic period.
why don't need a diversion into "how do you define..." Just pick a date range by years and forget what it could be named and relate it to the chart numbers
Let's say the average ancestry of the Egyptian population a) 3,500 BC - 525 BC
or or if you want to narrow it
b) 3,500 BC - 1550 BC
Then estimate where the majority of them would position on the above distance chart
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UP does mean Upper Palaeolithic and refers to the period from 50ky to 10ky. I've already answered your question for both the Upper Palaeolithic and dynastic period and explained what I'm basing it on. Now it's your turn.
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I want to wait for Amun Ra to comment on what number he thinks dynastic Egyptians would locate and then I'll comment
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I want to wait for Amun Ra to comment on what number he thinks dynastic Egyptians would locate and then I'll comment
Of course for individuals all the numbers are possible since there was also "foreigners" in Ancient Egypt (think Hyksos for example). As well as their descendants of course. But in general, especially at the foundation stage, current genetic results on Ancient Egyptians (Ramses III=E1b1a, BMJ, JAMA, DNA Tribes), as well as other archaeological results (cultural continuity, biometric continuity affected by changes in lifestyle not migrants, etc) lead me to believe that they would be closer to say 5-6 on average. So basically Africans slightly admixed with neighboring Eurasians populations, but still mostly African as a whole.
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^^^It would be nice if you didn't refer to racist white people as "crackers". For one, the word is ridiculous, and more importantly, there's no need for racism in this forum. Many historians like Basil Davidson, and many others, were white and at the forefront of preserving African heritage.
Basil Davidson: "[...]The Archaeological evidence combines to show that the main line of incoming migrations were from the southwest and the west, in other words, from the African community of the Sahara."
Note:Basil Davidson also made books about other African civilizations.
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