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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Thank you for starting your own thread and stop polluting others.

But this man's hair is no comparision to

This

which is comparable to this
or this

Although I-am not making a case for the Persian guy..but maybe his daddy was black.
 

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Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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AAAAHHHHH You are so fvcking dumb! "AFRO" ROFL


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Brada-Anansi - Am I to take it that you have joined Afroidiot in the lunacy of depicting Parthians as Persians?


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Standing man, 1st–2nd century a.d.; Parthian period
Iran
Gray stone

H. 30 1/4 in. (76.8 cm)
Rogers Fund, 1951 (51.72.1)

This fragmentary stone relief of a standing man is a product of the resurgence of an Eastern aesthetic in Parthian art.



 

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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
Hey Afro-idiot, let us try this again.

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"The Parthian Empire is a fascinating period of Persian history closely connected to Greece and Rome. Ruling from 247 B.C. to A.D. 228 in ancient Persia (Iran)..." (http://www.parthia.com/)


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"Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 4000 BC.[3] The Medes unified Iran as a nation and empire in 625 BC.[4][4] Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) was the first of the Iranian empires to rule in Middle east and central Asia. They were succeeded by the Seleucid Empire, Parthians and Sassanids which governed Iran for almost 1,000 years." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_history)


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Originally posted by Mike111:
Brada-Anansi - Am I to take it that you have joined Afroidiot in the lunacy of depicting Parthians as Persians?


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Standing man, 1st–2nd century a.d.; Parthian period
Iran
Gray stone

H. 30 1/4 in. (76.8 cm)
Rogers Fund, 1951 (51.72.1)

This fragmentary stone relief of a standing man is a product of the resurgence of an Eastern aesthetic in Parthian art.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy;
Parthia and Persia are NOT the same!!!


Parthia

The borders of Parthia were the Kopet Dag mountain range in the north (today the border between Iran and Turkmenistan) and the Dasht-e-Kavir desert in the south. In the west was Media, in the northwest Hyrcania, in the northeast Margiana, in the southeast Aria. (The road from Media through Parthia to Margiana is the famous Silk Road.) On the other side of the southern desert was Persia proper.

Assyrian texts mention a country named Partakka or Partukka in the seventh century B.C. at an unknown time, its inhabitants were subjugated by the Medes, who ruled until they were subdued by the Persian leader Cyrus the Great in 550 B.C. For the next two centuries, Parthia was part of the Achaemenid Persian Empire.

In 522/521 B.C, after the coup d' état of the Persian king Darius I, Parthia revolted against the Persians, joining the Median rebel king Phraortes. The Persian satrap of Parthia was Hystaspes, the father of the new Persian king Darius; he managed to stand his ground against the Parthian rebels in the city of Vishpauzâtish, where he repelled his enemies on March 8, 521 B.C. After his victory, Parthia was pacified again.


The Parni

In 245 B.C, a satrap named Andragoras, revolted from the young Seleucid king Seleucus II, who had just succeeded to the throne. In the confusion, Parthia was attacked by the Parni, a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe. By 238 B.C, the Parni occupied the district known as Astavene. Three years later, a Parnian leader named Tiridates ventured further south and seized the rest of Parthia. A counter-offensive by king SeleucusII ended in disaster, and Hyrcania was also subdued by the Parni. Their capital was Hecatompylus.

From now on, the Parni were known as Parthians. In the years that followed, their kings -Arsaces I, Arsaces II, Phriapathus, Phraates I- recognized the Seleucid king as their superiors, but under Mithradates I (171-138 B.C.) they conquered Media, Babylonia, and Elam. Thus creating the Parthian empire, which was to last until 224 A.D, when it was conquered by the Persian Sassanians.

Did you get this part from above idiot! the Parni, a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe morphed with the Parthians and became one people.

You Stupid, Stupid, little Boy

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Originally posted by Mike111:
The road from Media through Parthia to Margiana is the famous Silk Road. On the other side of the southern desert was Persia proper.


a nomadic tribe from the Central-Asian steppe morphed with the Parthians and became one people.


Afroidiot - Which part of the hi-lighted don't you understand??

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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
For those sincere students of history, I present to you the right and exact info. on the Parthians.


Quote 1: "The Parthians were a subgroup of the nomadic steppe culture known to us as the Scythians" (http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/numismatics/parthia/frames/phisfm.htm).

Quote 2: " The Scythians or Scyths (Greek: Σκύθης, Σκύθοι) were an Ancient Iranian people of horse-riding nomadic pastoralists" (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th edition—Micropaedia on "Scythian", 10:576 )


Now why am I bringing this up? There is a nutcase Afro-a*shole who is hell bent on denying this historical fact. This Afro-fool thinks persians and parthians are seperate people, when in fact all scholars recognize the two as one ancestral line of people, whose descendants are today's Iranian people.

Who? you may ask is this nutcase that denies this obvious fact? He goes by the name "Mike111." Perhaps one of you can knock some sense into this Afro-fool's head.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Afroidiot - For once in your life you did something intelligent - You asked me for help.

Then you go and fuch it up, by trying to answer the question for yourself - what an asshole!


Afroidiot - even you MUST know that this makes no sense "The Parthians were a subgroup of the nomadic steppe culture known to us as the Scythians": (Nomadic Steppe people are from CENTRAL ASIA - asshole!!!

THEREFORE THEY CANNOT ALSO BE AN ANCIENT IRANIAN PEOPLE - ASSHOLE!!!

Where on Earth did you find people even stupider than you???

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PARTHIA

Parthia is a region of north-eastern Iran, best known for having been the political and cultural base of the Arsacid dynasty, rulers of the Parthian Empire.

Parthia roughly corresponds to the western half of (Greater) Khorasan. It was bordered by the Kopet Dag mountain range in the north (today the border between Iran and Turkmenistan) and the Dasht-e-Kavir desert in the south. It bordered Media on the west, Hyrcania on the north west, Margiana on the north east, and Aria on the south east.

During Arsacid times, Parthia was united with Hyrcania (which today lies partly in Iran and partly in Turkmenistan) as one administrative unit, and that region is therefore often (subject to context) considered a part of Parthia proper.

As the region inhabited by Parthians, Parthia first appears as a political entity in Achaemenid Persian lists of governates ("satrapies") under their dominion. Prior to this, the people of the region seem to have been subjects of the Medes. (The Parsua and Medes melded to form the Persians).


In 247 BCE, following the death of Antiochus II, Ptolemy III seized control of the Seleucid capital at Antioch, and "so left the future of the Seleucid dynasty for a moment in question. Taking advantage of the uncertain political situation, Andragoras, the Seleucid governor of Parthia, proclaimed his independence and began minting his own coins.

Meanwhile, "a man called Arsaces, of Scythian or Bactrian origin, [was] elected leader of the Parni" an eastern-Iranian peoples from the Tajen/Tajend River valley, south-east of the Caspian Sea. Following the secession of Parthia from the Seleucid Empire and the resultant loss of Seleucid military support, Andragoras had difficulty in maintaining his borders, and about 238 BCE - under the command of "Arsaces and his brother Tiridates" - the Parni invaded Parthia and seized control of Astabene (Astawa), the northern region of that territory, the administrative capital of which was Kabuchan (Kuchan in the vulgate).

A short while later the Parni seized the rest of Parthia from Andragoras, killing him in the process. Although an initial punitive expedition by the Seleucids under Seleucus II was not successful, the Seleucids under Antiochus III recaptured Arsacid controlled territory in 209 BCE from Arsaces' (or Tiridates') successor, Arsaces II. Arsaces II sued for peace and accepted vassal status, and it was not until Arsaces II's grandson (or grand-nephew) Phraates I, that the Arsacids/Parni would again begin to assert their independence.


From their base in Parthia, the Arsacid dynasts eventually extended their dominion to include most of Greater Iran. Even though the Arsacids only sporadically had their capital in Parthia, their power base was there, among the Parthian feudal families, upon whose military and financial support the Arsacids depended. In exchange for this support, these families received large tracts of land among the earliest conquered territories adjacent to Parthia, which the Parthian nobility then ruled as provincial rulers. The largest of these city-states were Kuchan, Semnan, Gorgan, Merv, Zabol and Yazd.



 

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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
First you ignore the scholarly quotes I provided. Why did you do that Afro-fool? Second, you provide a map of modern Iran as though it reflects the persian empire of antiquity. Are you a fvcking moron?

Address the fvcking quotes I provided, otherwise this discussion is over.

YOU LOSE FOOL.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
First you ignore the scholarly quotes I provided. Why did you do that Afro-fool? Second, you provide a map of modern Iran as though it reflects the persian empire of antiquity. Are you a fvcking moron?

Address the fvcking quotes I provided, otherwise this discussion is over.

YOU LOSE FOOL.

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The Persian Empire (Empire means countries that you have conquered and put them under your rule - in addition to your own country); was much greater than the original borders of Elam (The original country of Iran).

Since Egypt was also a part of the Persian Empire, were Egyptians also Persians???

Well then, how about the Greek Ionians??


From Darius the Great's, Behistun Inscription (Pss, He is the Black guy below).





6. (1.12-7.) Darius the King says: These are the countries which came to me; by the favor of Ahuramazda I was king of them: Persia, Elam, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, (those) who are beside the sea, Sardis, Ionia, Media, Armenia, Cappadocia, Parthia, Drangiana, Aria, Chorasmia, Bactria, Sogdiana, Gandara, Scythia, Sattagydia, Arachosia, Maka: in all, 23 provinces.


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Afroidiot - NOW do you see why I ignore you, and all the bogus sources that you quote??

What a hopelessly Stupid Boy you are.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Afroidiot - Right about now, you are probably thinking that you can never win.

You are probably also thinking that I like to fuch with you.


Mark this date down - you finally got SOMETHING right!
 

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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
So your response is to post up a bust of a persian with curly hair and aquiline features? You don't even address the quotes?

GAME OVER
YOU LOSE

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Originally posted by Mike111:

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
First you ignore the scholarly quotes I provided. Why did you do that Afro-fool? Second, you provide a map of modern Iran as though it reflects the persian empire of antiquity. Are you a fvcking moron?

Address the fvcking quotes I provided, otherwise this discussion is over.

YOU LOSE FOOL.

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The Persian Empire (Empire means countries that you have conquered and put them under your rule - in addition to your own country); was much greater than the original borders of Elam (The original country of Iran).

Since Egypt was also a part of the Persian Empire, were Egyptians also Persians???

Well then, how about the Greek Ionians??


From Darius the Great's, Behistun Inscription (Pss, He is the Black guy below).





6. (1.12-7.) Darius the King says: These are the countries which came to me; by the favor of Ahuramazda I was king of them: Persia, Elam, Babylonia, Assyria, Arabia, Egypt, (those) who are beside the sea, Sardis, Ionia, Media, Armenia, Cappadocia, Parthia, Drangiana, Aria, Chorasmia, Bactria, Sogdiana, Gandara, Scythia, Sattagydia, Arachosia, Maka: in all, 23 provinces.

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Brada-Anansi - Am I to take it that you have joined Afroidiot in the lunacy of depicting Parthians as Persians?

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike

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Brada-Anansi - Am I to take it that you have joined Afroidiot in the lunacy of depicting Parthians as Persians?

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Well I didn't check his sources his.. thread his pic..anyways my point was whomever he was his hair didn't match the Iranian dude,so weather it was his natural hair,a wig or his barber hooked him-up the hair looks like the pics that I posted.

Now according to the mythological origins of the Persians by the Greeks.

Marriage with Andromeda

Perseus rescuing Andromeda from Cetus, depicted on an amphora in the Altes Museum, Berlin
Perseus and Andromeda.On the way back to Seriphos, Perseus stopped in the Phoenician kingdom Ethiopia, ruled by King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia. Cassiopeia, having boasted herself equal in beauty to the Nereids, drew down the vengeance of Poseidon, who sent an inundation on the land and a whale, Cetus, which destroyed man and beast. The oracle of Ammon announced that no relief would be found until the king exposed his daughter Andromeda to the monster, and so she was fastened to a rock on the shore. Perseus slew the monster and, setting her free, claimed her in marriage.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So on the level of myth Persians are atleast part Ethiopians

But then how did the persians wish to view themselves.

Xenophanes in a similar contrast recounts that
the Ethiopians represent their gods as black-faced
and flat-nosed, while the Thracians show their
gods to be blue-eyed and red-haired. And,
finally, Sextus Empiricus writes that beauty is
relative, the Ethiopians preferring the blackest and
the most flat-nosed and the Persians approving
the whitest and the most hook-nosed.
Well there you go for atleast the time of the greeks that's how they view beauty..
Taken from Frank Snowden.

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Hay dunce!!Myths may or may not be accurate but it was meant to give insight into to what they and others taught about the world about them.ask yourself why would the Greeks thought what they thought even if they were dead wrong.(and there is a saying that every myth has a cernel of truth.)
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
alTakruri - I always thought that you were a person of color - I guess not.

Upon second look, you might notice that the hair of all the ancients in that area was BRUSHED FLAT!! It was NOT an Afro.

When Black people with curly hair, brush it flat, the ends ALWAYS CURL UP!!!!

That is what is depicted!

I thought everybody knew that.
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
These curls aren't natural. You can see the wavy
or straight character of the hair when looking
down on a carvings head from above or looking
directly at a relief's hairline where a crown or
helmet sits upon the hair. The beard's texture

is another indicator of the hair's true quality.

I question the unneccessary application of blackness
onto people where it does not belong. The "penis envy"
like condition of many diasporan blacks needing to make
peoples who aren't black into blacks and thus claim said
peoples' accomplishments just shows the lack of knowledge
of, or distaste for, actual black peoples and their cultures
and a preference for the cultural accutrements of their "hosts."

However, as I'll post below, the Medes and iirc the Persians
were looked upon as mulato in origin by the Greeks when
examining their Perseus & Andromeda and Jason & Medea mythos.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
alTakruri - I always thought that you were a person of color - I guess not.

Upon second look, you might notice that the hair of all the ancients in that area was BRUSHED FLAT!! It was NOT an Afro.

When Black people with curly hair, brush it flat, the ends ALWAYS CURL UP!!!!

That is what is depicted!

I thought everybody knew that.

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alTakruri - You really need to stop.

Once again, you are making an ass of yourself.


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
alTakruri - You hid it all these years - you're a goddamn Turk - aren't you?
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Just in case there are more ignorant Assed Turks out there.





 

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
Check out this video on the Black Asians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2xjWIIxK8


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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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This is not an Afro. This hair style represents the traditional hair style of Indo-Europeans.




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Posted by Afronut Slayer (Member # 16637) on :
 
Thank you!! There are at least some Afronuts who are honest when the OBVIOUS is staring them right in their face!

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^^Turkey Birds of a feather.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Hay Mike are you sure the above soldier is an ethnic Persian and not incorporated Elemites?
Were these soldiers part of the 10,000 Immortals faced by Alexander the Great?

These 5 foot tall archers were the royal Immortal Guard from the palace of Darius at Susa (ancient Shushan). These archers are seen wearing colorful ceremonial clothing decorated with tiny stars, from their woven and twisted headbands, hair and beards, even to their shoes. Their clothes are decorated with tiny stars. Their bows, arrows and spears were gold and silver.

The bright colored enameled tiles used to line the entire walls, bringing to life the illustrious and lavish celebrations that existed at the palace of the kings of ancient Persia.

All the colors seen here are reminiscent of the lavish banquet mentioned in the Book of Esther in the Bible (white, green, blue, purple, silver, gold), when the king of Persia invited nobles and princes from all over his empire to a feast at his palace.

Guests would ascend a wide stone staircase entering a gate into the courtyard. All along the path there were the elaborate carvings along the walls, of nobles and princes, royal guards, horses and chariots. Representatives from the lands and provinces of the Persian Empire bringing tribute to the ruler of the world, king Darius (522-486 B.C.). Their destination was the great audience hall and palace of the king, a place of tremendous wealth and luxury. According to history when Alexander the Great marched into Susa he took 40,000 talents of gold which was about 1200 tons.

Alexander the Great faced hordes of soldiers like the archers shown here when he conquered the world of the Persians. The Persian Empire was vast, extending from India to Greece, and down to Ethiopia.

These archers of the royal guard revealed on these brilliantly glazed ceramic tiles of blue and gold discovered at Susa are important discovery in the study of Biblical archaeology. It shows us the enemies of Alexander the Great who is alluded to in the Book of Daniel, and the luxurious wealth of the Persians as mentioned in the Book of Esther regarding the royal banquet of the king of Persia.

Esther 1:6-7 "Where were white, green, and blue, hangings, fastened with cords of fine linen and purple to silver rings and pillars of marble: the beds were of gold and silver, upon a pavement of red, and blue, and white, and black, marble. And they gave them drink in vessels of gold, (the vessels being diverse one from another,) and royal wine in abundance, according to the state of the king."

Ezra 5:7 "They sent a letter unto him, wherein was written thus; Unto Darius the king, all peace."

Esther 1:2-5 "in those days, when the king Ahasuerus sat on the throne of his kingdom, which was in Shushan the palace, In the third year of his reign, he made a feast unto all his princes and his servants; the power of Persia and Media, the nobles and princes of the provinces, being before him: When he shewed the riches of his glorious kingdom and the honour of his excellent majesty many days, even an hundred and fourscore days. And when these days were expired, the king made a feast unto all the people that were present in Shushan the palace, both unto great and small, seven days, in the court of the garden of the king's palace;

Louvre Museum Excerpt

Frieze of Archers
Achaemenid Persian Period, reign of Darius I, c. 510 BC

Frieze of Archers

This decorative frieze of polychrome glazed brick shows an army, the men carrying spears, bows and quivers. Are they the royal guards of Darius I (522-486), whom Herodotus called “the Immortals,” or might they represent an idealized image of the Persian people? The frieze is probably inspired by the brick friezes of Babylon, although the technique is different. That may be a legacy from the Middle Elamite Period, which saw the appearance of decoration in glazed siliceous brick.
www.bible-history.com/archaeology/greece/2-pe...
Western Ethiopian Persian Soldier.


We don't need to be absolutist in our approach to things leave rm for variables.
 

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Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
 
Persia as we now know it starts with the Achaemenid empire. Prior to that there was no Persia. The first civilizations of Iran were the Elamites, Sumerians and Akkadians. Over time these groups interacted with other populations including various invasions by Assyrians, Greeks and then later on Arabians, Mongols and Turks.

In general over the history of the development of the Irianian and Mesopotamian civilizations, various ethnic populations with various phenotypes were present. Among some of the earliest cultures there were undoubtedly blacks there. This includes the early Elamites and the early city states of Sumer. The Elamites are seen in the famous reliefs from Persia as black men in colorful dress. Both Eridu and Elam were in Southern Iraq and Southern Iran, near the Persian gulf.

This is one of the most ancient routes of migration from Africa into Iran and Mesopotamia and undoubtedly darker skinned people have always been there. This area is STILL populated by various darker skinned elements in those populations, even though some are more recent African migrants, others are more ancient AfroAsiatic groups and other native groups that have always been there. This area has been a cross roads of ancient Afro-Semitic and Indo-Iranian populations along with ancient northern Iranian and Mesopotamian cultures. These cultures actively traded with the Indus Valley and are said to share linguistic similarities to the ancient languages of India. To the South and West of Iran are still pockets of darker skinned IndoIranian type populations. There are also places called little India in this region as well.

It is hard to make clear distinctions between Elamite, Sumerian and later Akkadian cultures because all three were constantly in conflict.
Suffice to say various groups and ethnic types were present in this area from a very early period and that undoubtedly includes blacks.

Here are some key sites:

Eridu:

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Eridu is an ancient city in what is now Tell Abu Shahrain, in Iraq. Eridu was the earliest city in southern Mesopotamia, founded c. 5400 BCE. Located 12 km southwest of Ur, Eridu was the southernmost of a conglomeration of Sumerian cities that grew about temples, almost in sight of one another. In Sumerian mythology, Eridu was founded by the Sumerian deity Enki, later known by the Akkadians as Ea.

In the Sumerian king list, Eridu is named as the city of the first kings. The kinglist continues:

In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alalngar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridu fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira.

The king list gave particularly long rules to the kings who ruled before a great flood occurred, and shows how the center of power progressively moved from the south to the north of the country.

Adapa U-an, elsewhere called the first man, was a half-god, half-man culture hero, called by the title Abgallu (ab=water, gal=big, lu=man) of Eridu. He was considered to have brought civilization to the city from Dilmun (probably Bahrain), and he served Alulim.

In Sumerian mythology, Eridu was the home of the Abzu temple of the god Enki, the Sumerian counterpart of the Akkadian water-god Ea. Like all the Sumerian and Babylonian gods, Enki/Ea began as a local god, who came to share, according to the later cosmology, with Anu and Enlil, the rule of the cosmos. His kingdom was the waters that surrounded the world and lay below it (Sumerian ab=water; zu=far).

The stories of Inanna, goddess of Uruk, describe how she had to go to Eridu in order to receive the gifts of civilization. At first Enki, the god of Eridu attempted to retrieve these sources of his power, but later willingly accepted that Uruk now was the centre of the land. This seems to be a mythical reference to the transfer of power northward, mentioned above.

Babylonian texts also talk of the creation of Eridu by the god Marduk as the first city, "the holy city, the dwelling of their [the other gods] delight".

It can very well be that Eridu is linked to the Annunaki. In the court of Assyria, special physicians trained in the ancient lore of Eridu, far to the south, foretold the course of sickness from signs and portents on the patient's body, and offered the appropriate incantations and magical resources as cures.

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A Neo-Assyrian text from the seventh century BC purporting to be Sargon's autobiography asserts that the great king was the illegitimate son of a priestess. In the Neo-Assyrian account Sargon's birth and his early childhood are described thus:
“ My mother was a high priestess, my father I knew not. The brothers of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My high priestess mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river which rose over me. The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water, took me as his son and reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener. While I was a gardener, Ishtar granted me her love, and for four and […] years I exercised kingship.[15] ”

The image of Sargon as a castaway set adrift on a river resembles the better-known birth narrative of Moses. Scholars such as Joseph Campbell and Otto Rank have compared the 7th century BC Sargon account with the obscure births of other heroic figures from history and mythology, including Karna, Oedipus, Paris, Telephus, Semiramis, Perseus, Romulus, Gilgamesh, Cyrus, Jesus, and others.

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Sargon died, according to the short chronology, around 2215 BC. His empire immediately revolted upon hearing of the king's death. Most of the revolts were put down by his son and successor Rimush, who reigned for nine years and was followed by another of Sargon's sons, Manishtushu (who reigned for 15 years).[34] Sargon was regarded as a model by Mesopotamian kings for some two millennia after his death. The Assyrian and Babylonian kings who based their empires in Mesopotamia saw themselves as the heirs of Sargon's empire. Kings such as Nabonidus (r. 556–539 BC) showed great interest in the history of the Sargonid dynasty, and even conducted excavations of Sargon's palaces and those of his successors.[35] Indeed, such later rulers may have been inspired by the king's conquests to embark on their own campaigns throughout the Middle East. The Neo-Assyrian Sargon text challenges his successors thus:
The black-headed peoples [Sumerians] I ruled, I governed; mighty mountains with axes of bronze I destroyed. I ascended the upper mountains; I burst through the lower mountains. The country of the sea I besieged three times; Dilmun I captured. Unto the great Dur-ilu I went up, I ... I altered ... Whatsoever king shall be exalted after me, ... Let him rule, let him govern the black-headed peoples; mighty mountains with axes of bronze let him destroy; let him ascend the upper mountains, let him break through the lower mountains; the country of the sea let him besiege three times; Dilmun let him capture; To great Dur-ilu let him go up.[36]

Another source attributed to Sargon the challenge "now, any king who wants to call himself my equal, wherever I went [conquered], let him go.

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
Thank you!! There are at least some Afronuts who are honest when the OBVIOUS is staring them right in their face!

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
Dr Winters


The guys on the right of your gif are these very same guys below.


They don't seem to have either curly or peppercorn hair.
Looking under their headgear, above their foreheads, and
at their mustache and beard tips their hair appears to
be straight to slightly wavy to me.

I do think these men are Medes. Greeks assumed the Medes
to be of partial Egyptian descent via the Colchians.

Also I can't see much of a difference in the hair
when comparing the guy to the left to the guys on
the right. They both (judging by the low resolution
gif) seem to have hair that's straight of wavy at
the root and curled at the ends.

But for sure there were two basic stocks in the
region, dark folk in the plains and light folk
in the mountains.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
Thank you!! There are at least some Afronuts who are honest when the OBVIOUS is staring them right in their face!

quote:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
A careful look at the image below reveals that the
bushy hair is so by artifice since immediately below
the crown one can see the the natural wavy nature
of the hair. This is true of nearly all the Persian art
(Elamites excluded for one). One need examine many
art pieces to notice these characteristics of their hair.





At one time I subscribed t the belief that nappy hair
was depicted. Then I saw many and larger art pieces
where I noticed the hair is wavy at the root and is
only bushy at the ends. This led me to believe the
bushiness was due to the knack of hairdressers.

The Persian 'du is elaborate in design. Their natural
hair was loosely wavy, as you can see at the edge of
the king's crown, then the ends were tightly curled. All
in all it produces the effect of wooly hair like the curly
Afro some Ladinos, Iranians, and Arabs used to wear
back in the 1970's. You know, the "Jewfro"

Back in the 70's many wavy haired folk sported Afros.
It wasn't because they were black or had nappy hair.
It was because they admired the long nappy hair many
blacks were wearing then.

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Sorry, but having a father with the kind of hair that can be straight and curly-kinky at the same time, I couldn't resist addressing this issue.


First, is the bushy hair on the beard on Darius also artifice?. LOL!

Lets be for real. Ancient Ethiopic people in the Persian Gulf didn't have to admire "nappy" hair to have hair that was very curly.

Dark brown people of the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea didn't have to use gerri-curl to make their hair curly or kinky. In fact its the opposite, they use camel butter and other forms of grease to make it straighter or more manageable.

If you put the same hat on the man's head below (who is from the Mash'ai group of the Mahra of Oman and Hadramaut) it would no doubt come out the same way as the hair on Darius.

Mash'ai Arabian

If anything it shows they probably the ancients used the same grease the "near black" Kaab or Rabi'ah Arabs of the Shott al Arab were said to have used on their hair until the 19th century.


Yemenite Sabaean official or ruler


The paintings of these Persians (Farsi) at the Louvre show dark brown soldiers and thus they were a dark brown population likely related to peoples of the same name in Arabia and Africa -Faras, Farasan of the Banu Taghlib (Dawasir) and Dahlak Islands. Even the modern Afariyyeh or Afars of Arabia and Oman often such hair.


Fars tribesman


Afar tribesman

As mentioned by Herodotus, the Achaemenids and earliest Persians claimed descent from the Daae And as mentioned in Persian mythos they were connected with the Arabian heros like Dzhahak. The latter is considered in Arab genealogy either the brother of "Akk" or son of Alwan or Alawam. The name Fairuz is supposed to be related to that of Persia and in fact the south Arabian ancestor and tribal name Faras or Pharis.

There is no reason to deny that people that were probably originally of South Arabian ancestry had less than straight hair.


Afar man of Eritrea
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

Sassanid Iranians had longer curly hair.

Scythic non-Afro-Asiatic people helped found the Parthian and Sassanid empires which succeeded the Achaemenid one of Darius and their earlier cousins in Medea.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
The below photo is of an Elamite who are the pre-Persian inhabitants of Susiana in Iran. Just as the Achamenid Daae, Derbikes are the pre-Scythian inhabitants of Susiana Iran and Central Asia.


Elamite of Susa

Below - Modern man still living on ancient Elamite site


Hair not by Artifice


People that wore their hair in Afros back in the '70s wore it because they could. The blowdryer can do wonders for European people with frizzy hair. No amount teasing is going to turn a regular European hairdo into an AFro unless it is permed. Most people Jewish, Spanish, Italian who had afros in the 70s whether we like it or not didn't need to perm their hair!
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 
Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

htp
 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

htp

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

htp

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Originally posted by Mike111:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Simply amazing.....grown-azz people ADULTS who can't reason/debate/etc., without consistently resorting to childish name-calling and belittling others who don't agree with them....there is this thing called "respectfully agreeing to disagree" either in whole or in part...

htp

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TruthAndRights - After you have been here for a while, you will begin to understand the dynamics of the board.

Take this thread for example, would a sensible person seriously suggest that the people now in Iran are Persians?

Of course not; a cursory read of history, and a fleeting look at the artifacts would deter even the stupidest racist from making such a claim.

But yet, as you can clearly see, an Afroidiot has made such a claim, and this is not unusual, as a matter of fact, it has become the norm. There is no way to take these people seriously, so the only way to keep things moving is to trade insults. In time, you will be forced to do the same. Hope you are up to it.

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Respect and thanks to you and Bob01 (is it?) both. I am never, online, forced to do anything that I do not wish to do....the 'bigger' person walks away and leaves one to talk ish to one's Self....I am very good at ignoring and overlooking ones when I feel to, and entertain ish only when in the mood to do so...I really do not have, and will not make, the time for going back and forth round and round over and over again with someone about the same thing- it's pointless and wasted energy that could be better spent elsewhere....I do not feed Trolls, lol ...I have more Truths to learn here as well as further information to Truths I know already, which is why I am here; and to share here and there (I doubt there is much I know that ones here do not know already) with ones as well...



htp.
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

I personally know a few straight to very slightly
wavy haired individuals who got 'Fros in the 70s.

One was my Saudi roommate who came to me asking,
"How do I get my hair like yours?" Now this was
a far cry from the usual Saudi who'll taunt with,
"You can't change your hair." By change they mean
to part the hair with a comb.

I had my roommate shampoo with beer and eggs, real
cans of beer and real cartons of eggs. Within a
month he was sporting a bushy Afro. After attaining
to his degree and before returning to Riyadh he let
his hair go back to its original and natural straight
texture.

Now how in hell can you tell me what I witnessed
couldn't have happened without applying a perm.
But that's beside the point because curling irons
and thus "permanent waves/curls" are nothing new
in history.


Hair texture is determined by shape in cross section
of a hair. Helix hair is compressed oval and grows
up and out in defiance of gravity. Straight hair is
round and flops down weighted by gravity.

I can tell similar stories for Latinos, Germans, Iranis,
etc.

I have nothing at stake in the "Persian Afro." I
couldn't give a damn if their hair was nappier than
a racoon's ass or straighter than a sow's pussy.

Like I said I used to think they had natural naps but
after the experience of viewing busts from the perspective
of directly
above the crowned head I now stand by the ends of the
hair being curled by artifice.



I don't need to make every people in the East into
a black people. There are plenty of indigenous black
Easterners with and without bushy hair. I don't have
to invent them where they don't exist.

Persians curled their hair in imitation and admiration
of the Elamites perfectly as possible copying the
style
from the Immortals in their employ. That's my opinion
which I can present without the need to ridicule those
who don't share my opinion.

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Originally posted by dana marniche:
The below photo is of an Elamite who are the pre-Persian inhabitants of Susiana in Iran. Just as the Achamenid Daae, Derbikes are the pre-Scythian inhabitants of Susiana Iran and Central Asia.


Elamite of Susa

Below - Modern man still living on ancient Elamite site


Hair not by Artifice


People that wore their hair in Afros back in the '70s wore it because they could. The blowdryer can do wonders for European people with frizzy hair. No amount teasing is going to turn a regular European hairdo into an AFro unless it is permed. Most people Jewish, Spanish, Italian who had afros in the 70s whether we like it or not didn't need to perm their hair!

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Pulling a theory out-of-the-air without the slightest logical basis, is indeed reason for criticism.


Curling the hair, you say it is a style thing.



Oh look, even the soldiers have it, how democratic!



Oh look, they even did it to the Babylonians too!



This is getting crazy, they did it to the Anatolians too!




Wait, Wait, whats going on here, how come the Scythians didn't get THEIR hair CURLED????



Scythia - An area in Eurasia whose location and extent varied over time. Scythians at various times inhabited: the Caucasus area, including Azerbaijan, Georgia - The central Asian steppes: Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan.


There it is again, whats going on here, how come the Saka didn't get THEIR hair CURLED????




Maka or Saka - People of Arian stock who lived in what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of Iran, Ukraine, and Altay Mountains and Siberia in Russia. They are considered to be a branch of Scythians by most scholars. Saka is the usual Persian term, while Scythian is a Greek term.


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By golly, I'm beginning to think that ALT is full of pooh pooh, it appears that the Persians used curly hair to depict people WITH curly hair i.e Black people, and straight hair to depict people WITH straight hair, MOSTLY Whites.

Oh, oh, What does this mean?



Ionia was a strip of coastal land located on the west central coast of Anatolia. The name Ionia first appears after the collapse of the original kingdoms in Greece, as a result of the Dorian invasion. This invasion caused original people refugees to migrated eastward across the Aegean to Anatolia about 1000–900 BC.


Oh, oh, here it is again, What does this mean?



 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by dana marniche:

Sassanid Iranians had longer curly hair.

Scythic non-Afro-Asiatic people helped found the Parthian and Sassanid empires which succeeded the Achaemenid one of Darius and their earlier cousins in Medea.

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dana marniche - You were just a little bit off on this one. The Parthians were really a blend of the nomadic Parnni (of the famous Parnni/Parting Shot| Turning around and firing an Arrow backward as you ride away) and the Parthians - I don't know of a Scythian element to them.

During the period of Parthian rule, each group remained semi-autonomous, sort of as vassal states. They were never unified into one kingdom, therefore there was not that much melding of the races.

Consequently the Sassanian Persians were "Pure-Blood" Persians. They just wore their hair longer.








BUT, THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS NO MIXED MARRIAGES!!!!



 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
I invite critique and disagreement with my proposals
but ad homina like calling me personally full of ****
is unneccesary and will stop me from further discussing
this issue with you (of course you'd propbably prefer
that).

Thanks for the detail images that support hair
being straight at the root and artificially curled
at the ends. The "Greek" examples reveal this
better than the one of Darius or the Medes
because with their heads uncovered it's plain
to see that above the curled tips the hair is not
naturally curly from the mid-lengths to the root.

So we see Persian art can depict a hairstyle of
straight/slightly wavy hair curled at the tips
and that Persians weren't the only people sporting
such a hairstyle.

The quality of bushy hair is no argument in favor
of black identity. Blacks and non-blacks both have
sported long bushy hairstyles. But I don't think
non-blacks sport nappy (helixical growing) hair,
you know, the kind of hair you are so ashamed of.

As previously noted Elamites are blacks. Greeks
believed that Medes are partially black from
a Colchidian component. They believed Persians
to be partially black as per the myth of Perseus
and Andromeda. Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war.

Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad.

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Originally posted by Mike111:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
I invite critique and disagreement with my proposals
but ad homina like calling me personally full of ****
is unneccesary and will stop me from further discussing
this issue with you (of course you'd propbably prefer
that).

Thanks for the detail images that support hair
being straight at the root and artificially curled
at the ends. The "Greek" examples reveal this
better than the one of Darius or the Medes
because with their heads uncovered it's plain
to see that above the curled tips the hair is not
naturally curly from the mid-lengths to the root.

So we see Persian art can depict a hairstyle of
straight/slightly wavy hair curled at the tips
and that Persians weren't the only people sporting
such a hairstyle.

The quality of bushy hair is no argument in favor
of black identity. Blacks and non-blacks both have
sported long bushy hairstyles. But I don't think
non-blacks sport nappy (helixical growing) hair,
you know, the kind of hair you are so ashamed of.

As previously noted Elamites are blacks. Greeks
believed that Medes are partially black from
a Colchidian component. They believed Persians
to be partially black as per the myth of Perseus
and Andromeda. Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war.

Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad.

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Originally posted by Mike111:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Recovering Afrocentrist - Actually he is simply demonstrating his analytical Bankruptcy.

To use the PROVEN stupidness of Greek mythology to make a case for REAL people with a real and known HISTORY is silly enough. But to even use that silly mythical history improperly, leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.


alTakruri quote: "As previously noted Elamites are blacks. Greeks
believed that Medes are partially black from
a Colchidian component. They believed Persians
to be partially black as per the myth of Perseus
and Andromeda. Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war."


The mythical Greek hero named Perseus (despite the similarity with the name Persia) has nothing to do with Persia. He is the mythical king of the Perseid dynasty in MYCENAE GREECE!!!!!


Afroidiot - It is clear that ALT has come under the control of your kind. Which is an abject lesson for the young, using that stuff will ruin your brain!!

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Originally posted by Mike111:
The reason that I criticize you, is because you make silly, even juvenile statements like the example below:

In your statement below, you are CLEARLY saying that only Blacks with KINKY Hair, are REAL Blacks. Clearly, Whatever it is that you are smoking, needs to be stopped.


alTakruri QUOTE: "Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad."

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What I actually would like to ask you, if I may: would you please post a current world map that indicates exactly where Negroland is located on the globe? I'm really curious as to where it can be found.

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Africans are from Africa, Europeans are from Europe, Asians are from Asia, Indians from India, etc., so...please, enlighten me as to where, exactly, Negroland currently is located on an up-to-date world map and/or globe.

Thanks in advance.

htp
 

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Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
 
There are Africans and there is the African Negro. If you go to north Africa, you will find plenty of non-Negroes who are African. The African Negro is found in the African sub-saharan region.

I'll see if I can drum-up a map and point to locations in Africa where you will find a predominantly Negro population.

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Greetings.

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that, I asked this of you in another thread wherein you did not answer the question, so I will ask you again here:

quote:

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What I actually would like to ask you, if I may: would you please post a current world map that indicates exactly where Negroland is located on the globe? I'm really curious as to where it can be found.

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Africans are from Africa, Europeans are from Europe, Asians are from Asia, Indians from India, etc., so...please, enlighten me as to where, exactly, Negroland currently is located on an up-to-date world map and/or globe.

Thanks in advance.

htp

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alTakruri QUOTE"

Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war."

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
There are Africans and there is the African Negro. If you go to north Africa, you will find plenty of non-Negroes who are African. The African Negro is found in the African sub-saharan region.

I'll see if I can drum-up a map and point to locations in Africa where you will find a predominantly Negro population.

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Greetings.

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that, I asked this of you in another thread wherein you did not answer the question, so I will ask you again here:

quote:

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What I actually would like to ask you, if I may: would you please post a current world map that indicates exactly where Negroland is located on the globe? I'm really curious as to where it can be found.

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Africans are from Africa, Europeans are from Europe, Asians are from Asia, Indians from India, etc., so...please, enlighten me as to where, exactly, Negroland currently is located on an up-to-date world map and/or globe.

Thanks in advance.

htp

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Originally posted by Mike111:
alTakruri's Previous post was filled with so much delusional nonsense that I didn't get to this foolishness.

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alTakruri QUOTE"

Apparently Persians recognized
some attachment to Aithiopians as evidenced by
their depositing their crown emblems under care
of Kush at a time they feared conquest in war."

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Here he is saying that the Persians sent their Crown Jewels to Nubia when the end seemed certain.

Problem is, the Nubians and Persians didn't get along, (Persia wanted to conquer Nubia).

Secondly there is this:

Most of the seemingly limitless array of gems in the Persian national collection, many of which lie un­mounted in trays, were collected by Nāder Shah (1148-­60/1736-47). As Nāder Ṭahmāsbqolī Afšār, a Turkman chieftain, he served the Safavid shah Ṭahmāsb II (1135-45/1722-32), helping to defend Persia against attacks by the Ottomans, Russians, and Afghans. In the process he amassed great riches, including the former Safavid crown jewels, which he recaptured from the Afghans.


RE: Recovering Afrocentrist response above:

TruthAndRights - Ha, Ha, Ha, Told you so;
Come-on, give in, curse the ignorant asshole out. You know you want to, come-on do it!

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Greetings.... I must ask you, and please know that I mean no offense or disrespect, but your comment to me really makes me feel to ask (due to how it reads): how old are you? If you don't choose to give your age, that's cool; then how about age range?

htp.
 

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Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
 
I never claimed or spoke of a "Negroland" so why are you ascribing that to me?

quote:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I'm sorry, but that is not what I asked you for, so I respectfully ask you not to waste your time looking for and posting something I did not ask for. What I asked you for is this:

...WOULD YOU PLEASE POST A CURRENT WORLD MAP THAT INDICATES EXACTLY WHERE NEGROLAND IS LOCATED ON THE GLOBE? I'm really curious as to where it can be found

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
I never claimed or spoke of a "Negroland" so why are you ascribing that to me?

quote:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I'm sorry, but that is not what I asked you for, so I respectfully ask you not to waste your time looking for and posting something I did not ask for. What I asked you for is this:

...WOULD YOU PLEASE POST A CURRENT WORLD MAP THAT INDICATES EXACTLY WHERE NEGROLAND IS LOCATED ON THE GLOBE? I'm really curious as to where it can be found

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Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that....

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As I said: Africans come from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Indians from India, etc.....so, Negro must come from Negroland, or someplace similarly named. Now, can or will you provide what I've asked for? Again, it's a simple YES and post it, or a NO.

htp.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
TruthAndRights
Negroland is located in New Guinea...didn't you know that?? that's where Recovering Afrocentric..found them eating people,just ask him he'll tell ya!!....

 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
TruthAndRights
Negroland is located in New Guinea...didn't you know that?? that's where Recovering Afrocentric..found them eating people,just ask him he'll tell ya!!....

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According to that map you posted, there is NO Negroland located in New Guinea. Nothing named so on that map.....

htp
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 
Btw....looking at the map made me think of something: interesting how close the tip of Australia appears to be to Papua New Guinea...

htp
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Truthandrights

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According to that map you posted, there is NO Negroland located in New Guinea. Nothing named so on that map.....

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Of course there is no such place or no such folks...but it was kind of an inside joke..Afrocentric went looking for African cannibals and ended up in New Guinea..funny as hell.
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
A lot of Northern Australians looked like Papuans..plus all those Black Asian pacific folks are really good sailors.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Truthandrights - Your interest in propriety seems to preclude logic. How do you suppose Australians GOT to Australia?
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Truthandrights

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According to that map you posted, there is NO Negroland located in New Guinea. Nothing named so on that map.....

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Of course there is no such place or no such folks...but it was kind of an inside joke..Afrocentric went looking for African cannibals and ended up in New Guinea..funny as hell.

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Yes, I know this....

htp
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Truthandrights - Your interest in propriety seems to preclude logic. How do you suppose Australians GOT to Australia?

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***sigh*** I am not an idiot and it doesn't take a rocket scientist, lol

It was interesting to me to actually see the close proximity of the two on the map...

htp
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
A lot of Northern Australians looked like Papuans..plus all those Black Asian pacific folks are really good sailors.

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Native legends of the Americas abound with the exploits of early Black people. In the Southwest Indian story of the Emergence, a story that is as important in the region as the Book of Genesis is to Christians, the First World is called the Black World!

During his third voyage, Columbus recorded that when he reached Haiti the resident population informed him that Black men from the south and southeast had preceded him to the island. In 1513, Balboa found a colony of Black men on his arrival in Darien, Panama. All of these facts, buttressed by skeletons and sculptures, make it clear that African people had a profound presence and influence in pre-Columbian America

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htp
 

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 












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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
The Classical writers said the Elamites were Kushites.

I believe the Kushites introduced Eb3 to Eurasia. Luis, et. al argue that the presence of Egyptian lineage (E3b1-M78)(c.7.8kya) is consistent with northbound migrations of this haplotype - thru the levant - reflected in M78 males as far north as Turkey (c.4.8kya) .In Asia the Kushites were called Kushiya.

The date 4.8ky is very interesting. It is around this time that we find the rise of a number of Kushite tribes in the region: the Kassites, the Kaska and the Hattian tribes in Anatolia. It was probably these Kushite tribes that introduced the second wave of Eb3b1-M78 lineages into Turkey.


For example, the Elamites called themselves KHATAM, and their capital Susa:KUSSI. In addition, the Kassites, who occupied the central part of the Zagros mountains were called KASHSHU. The Kushana, formerly occupied Chinese Turkistan (Xinjiang) and the Gansu province of China.

The Kushites in Asia, as in Africa were known for their skill as bowmen :Steu , the name of the people of Ta-Seti.

The decipherer of the cuneiform writing of Mesopotamia, Rawlingson, said Puntites and Kushites were established in Asia. He found mention of Kushiya and Puntiya in the inscriptions of Darius. He also made it clear that the name Kush was also applied to southern Persia, India, Elam, Arabia, and Colchis (a part of southern Russia/Turkistan) in ancient times.

The Armenians made it clear that the ancients called Persia, Media,Elam Aria, and the entire area between the Tigris and Indus rivers Kush. Bardesones, writing in his Book of the Laws of Countries, in the 2nd Century said that the "Bactrians who we called Qushani (or Kushans)".

The Armenians, called the earlier Parthian: Kushan and acknowledged their connection with them. Homer, Herodotus, and the Roman scholar Strabo called southern Persia AETHIOPIA. The Greeks and Romans called the country east of Kerma: Kusan.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Pulling a theory out-of-the-air without the slightest logical basis, is indeed reason for criticism.


Curling the hair, you say it is a style thing.



Oh look, even the soldiers have it, how democratic!



Oh look, they even did it to the Babylonians too!



This is getting crazy, they did it to the Anatolians too!




Wait, Wait, whats going on here, how come the Scythians didn't get THEIR hair CURLED????



Scythia - An area in Eurasia whose location and extent varied over time. Scythians at various times inhabited: the Caucasus area, including Azerbaijan, Georgia - The central Asian steppes: Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan.


There it is again, whats going on here, how come the Saka didn't get THEIR hair CURLED????




Maka or Saka - People of Arian stock who lived in what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of Iran, Ukraine, and Altay Mountains and Siberia in Russia. They are considered to be a branch of Scythians by most scholars. Saka is the usual Persian term, while Scythian is a Greek term.


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By golly, I'm beginning to think that ALT is full of pooh pooh, it appears that the Persians used curly hair to depict people WITH curly hair i.e Black people, and straight hair to depict people WITH straight hair, MOSTLY Whites.

Oh, oh, What does this mean?



Ionia was a strip of coastal land located on the west central coast of Anatolia. The name Ionia first appears after the collapse of the original kingdoms in Greece, as a result of the Dorian invasion. This invasion caused original people refugees to migrated eastward across the Aegean to Anatolia about 1000–900 BC.


Oh, oh, here it is again, What does this mean?

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
The original Proto- Saharan tribes of Central Asia were known as the Kushana, Yuehshih, Mandaga (Manda > Mande), and Kasu. The four kingdoms of Saka were the Maga (Manga), Masaka, Mansa and Mandaga (Manda). The term Saka, now used to describe a late Indo-European group that conquered Central Asia formerly was used to refer to the Kushites/Proto-Saharans of ancient Central Asia. The name Maga, reminds us of the Magians or Maka, of the Persian inscriptions who lived in Media.

The ancient Sumerian name for Medea ,was Mada. One of the six tribes of Mada,was the "Mages" or "Magu" in Persian. The name Mage signified "the great,the High". Herodotus, claimed the the Medes came from Athens. This would support a Mande origin.



Mede

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Many cities of eastern Greece were early settled by the Manding
speakers who presently live in West Africa. Moreover, in the Manding
languages "Maga" means 'great". Moreover, the name of the King of the
Soninke (Manding) speaking empire of Ghana (300 BC to AD 1100) was called Manda.

The Magians or Medians, were probably descendants of the Manding tribes which also included the Garamantes of European and Libyan fame, and in Asia under the name of Mandaga/Medians. This view is supported by linguistic, historical and cultural data.



Mede taking horses to Sargon

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The language of the Medes, like Elamite is genetically related to the Manding languages. In addition the term Mandaga agrees with the title of the Manding tribes: for example, Manda agrees with Mande, the name of major group of Africans, who along with the Dravidians settled many parts of Asia.

Further confirmation of the Mande origin of the Medes is haplogroup E3b. It is interesting to note that E3b is found in this area. The Manding speakers carry the E3b haplogroup.
 

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Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
 

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I did not ascribe anything to you/did not say anything about you speaking of a Negroland. This is what I said to you:

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that....

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As I said: Africans come from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Indians from India, etc.....so

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Negro must come from Negroland, or someplace similarly named.

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Now, can or will you provide what I've asked for? Again, it's a simple YES and post it, or a NO.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
The reason that I criticize you, is because you make silly, even juvenile statements like the example below:

In your statement below, you are CLEARLY saying that only Blacks with KINKY Hair, are REAL Blacks. Clearly, Whatever it is that you are smoking, needs to be stopped.


Anyway, the point I'm making about the Persians
and the Medes is that their hair was naturally
straight and/or slightly wavy not naturally
helixical (nappy/coily/kinky/woolly). If that
disturbs the need to make them blacks by those
who can find nothing lauditory in the blacks of
continental Africa, well, too too bad.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
Finally you are applying some criticial thought and deductive reasoning instead of parroting the Afrocentric-nonsense. I'm kina shocked to say the least. I believe the process of divesting yourself of the Afrocentric lies has begun. Kudos!

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I did not ascribe anything to you/did not say anything about you speaking of a Negroland. This is what I said to you:

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that....

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Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it, otherwise I will conclude that that was a failed attempt on your part to create a strawman to use against me.

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As I said: Africans come from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Indians from India, etc.....so

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I agree.

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Negro must come from Negroland, or someplace similarly named.

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Sir, I do not divide the continent of Africa. There are many Africans. Some are of the Negro stock and some are not. What is it about that you do not understand?

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Now, can or will you provide what I've asked for? Again, it's a simple YES and post it, or a NO.

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Take your weak strawman tactic somewhere else. I don't play those silly games. You did not concoct the term "Negroland." It actually exists and has a history: Negroland demarkation. That's why I am accusing you of resorting to strawman tactics. If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?

Now if you want, I can put up a map of Africa and point out where you will find a predominant African Negro population.

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1. "Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it..."
You said to me, "I never claimed or spoke of a "Negroland" so why are you ascribing that to me?" THAT would be where it was mentioned to me, in response to what I initially asked you.

2. "Sir..." I am not a "Sir" as I am not a man. You ASSUmed that I am a man; are you aware of how the word ASSUME breaks down? As a matter of fact, I made it oh so clear in another post that I am a wombman (and yes, I am quite aware of how I have spelled it, it is intentional).

3. From just what I have read thus far, you are the one with "understanding" as I have plenty of "overstanding" that Africa is comprised of many African cultures/societies, etc. I also overstand that there is no such a thing, in REALity, as a "NEGRO" as "negro" is a word that means 'black' and 'black' is an adjective that describes a person, place or thing.

4. Not a game. LIKE I SAID: If you are going to fling around the word "Negro" like one actually does exist outside of racist categories/ideologies, then a Negro must come from a place called Negroland or someplace similarly named; and if this people and this place exists in REALity, I would like to know where.

5. Where on this forum did I ever state, or even imply, that I came up with the term "Negroland" And when reasoning with me, posting Wickipedia links will get you nowhere: I won't go to it and read a thing it says....if you wonder why, read my post called "Research" as your answer will be there. That being said, I respectfully ask that you come with something better and more credible than a wickipedia cite. If it is your position that Negroland is REAL AND EXISTS, please show me a CURRENT WORLD MAP from a CREDIBLE OBJECTIVE SITE that CLEARLY AND DISTINCTLY shows a country and/or region called "Negroland." IF you can, please post it and this discussion between us is done; if you cannot, then please just STFU and this discussion between us is done.

6. "If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?" Told you once; then it was asked and answered once; it's now been asked twice and I will not tell you three times. Reading comprehension is important; respectfully, maybe if you re-read what I said, you will get it.

7. And no, Negroland does not actually, in REALity, exist. As I am sure not just a few here KNOW, it is just another racist, European invention.

I have been nothing short of respectful to you when addressing you, and I expect the same respect in return- nothing more and nothing less. Don't push it, please.

htp.
 

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Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
 
There is no such thing as a "Negro?" Uh Yes there is. The term exists. Go look it up in a dictionary.

Listen, am I wasting my time with you? I asked you to show me where I mention "Negroland" in any of my writings and you haven't (yet). I think I will conclude that you are employing strawman tactics in your arguments.

Oh yea, what is with the "Overstanding" buzzword? Only former members of that defunct sex-cult, I think they were called the "Newubians," who use it in the context that you do. Their leader is a convicted serial child molestor doing like 150 yrs in a maximum prison facility.

Are you one of them?

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I did not ascribe anything to you/did not say anything about you speaking of a Negroland. This is what I said to you:

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that....

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Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it, otherwise I will conclude that that was a failed attempt on your part to create a strawman to use against me.

quote:

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As I said: Africans come from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Indians from India, etc.....so

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I agree.

quote:

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Negro must come from Negroland, or someplace similarly named.

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Sir, I do not divide the continent of Africa. There are many Africans. Some are of the Negro stock and some are not. What is it about that you do not understand?

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Now, can or will you provide what I've asked for? Again, it's a simple YES and post it, or a NO.

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Take your weak strawman tactic somewhere else. I don't play those silly games. You did not concoct the term "Negroland." It actually exists and has a history: Negroland demarkation. That's why I am accusing you of resorting to strawman tactics. If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?

Now if you want, I can put up a map of Africa and point out where you will find a predominant African Negro population.

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1. "Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it..."
You said to me, "I never claimed or spoke of a "Negroland" so why are you ascribing that to me?" THAT would be where it was mentioned to me, in response to what I initially asked you.

2. "Sir..." I am not a "Sir" as I am not a man. You ASSUmed that I am a man; are you aware of how the word ASSUME breaks down? As a matter of fact, I made it oh so clear in another post that I am a wombman (and yes, I am quite aware of how I have spelled it, it is intentional).

3. From just what I have read thus far, you are the one with "understanding" as I have plenty of "overstanding" that Africa is comprised of many African cultures/societies, etc. I also overstand that there is no such a thing, in REALity, as a "NEGRO" as "negro" is a word that means 'black' and 'black' is an adjective that describes a person, place or thing.

4. Not a game. LIKE I SAID: If you are going to fling around the word "Negro" like one actually does exist outside of racist categories/ideologies, then a Negro must come from a place called Negroland or someplace similarly named; and if this people and this place exists in REALity, I would like to know where.

5. Where on this forum did I ever state, or even imply, that I came up with the term "Negroland" And when reasoning with me, posting Wickipedia links will get you nowhere: I won't go to it and read a thing it says....if you wonder why, read my post called "Research" as your answer will be there. That being said, I respectfully ask that you come with something better and more credible than a wickipedia cite. If it is your position that Negroland is REAL AND EXISTS, please show me a CURRENT WORLD MAP from a CREDIBLE OBJECTIVE SITE that CLEARLY AND DISTINCTLY shows a country and/or region called "Negroland." IF you can, please post it and this discussion between us is done; if you cannot, then please just STFU and this discussion between us is done.

6. "If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?" Told you once; then it was asked and answered once; it's now been asked twice and I will not tell you three times. Reading comprehension is important; respectfully, maybe if you re-read what I said, you will get it.

7. And no, Negroland does not actually, in REALity, exist. As I am sure not just a few here KNOW, it is just another racist, European invention.

I have been nothing short of respectful to you when addressing you, and I expect the same respect in return- nothing more and nothing less. Don't push it, please.

htp.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't need you to come behind anything I have said.
My writings here these past five years are anything
but Afro-eccentric or Afro-ethnocentric. Africana
studies is and will remain distinct from Afro-eccentric
Black ethnocentricism.

You however are in much need of a bath to remove
the filth and stench from the racial hatred that
makes you a Eurocentric.

Your lead post to this thread was utterly foolish
and didn't even depict the bushy hair Persians in
fact depicted themselves as wearing both on their
monuments and in their statuary.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
Finally you are applying some criticial thought and deductive reasoning instead of parroting the Afrocentric-nonsense. I'm kina shocked to say the least. I believe the process of divesting yourself of the Afrocentric lies has begun. Kudos!

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:
There is no such thing as a "Negro?" Uh Yes there is. The term exists. Go look it up in a dictionary.

Listen, am I wasting my time with you? I asked you to show me where I mention "Negroland" in any of my writings and you haven't (yet). I think I will conclude that you are employing strawman tactics in your arguments.

Oh yea, what is with the "Overstanding" buzzword? Only former members of that defunct sex-cult, I think they were called the "Newubians," who use it in the context that you do. Their leader is a convicted serial child molestor doing like 150 yrs in a maximum prison facility.

Are you one of them?

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:

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Originally posted by Recovering Afrocentrist:

quote:

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
I did not ascribe anything to you/did not say anything about you speaking of a Negroland. This is what I said to you:

Recovering Afrocentrist, as you keep referencing Negro this and Negro that and African Negro this and that....

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Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it, otherwise I will conclude that that was a failed attempt on your part to create a strawman to use against me.

quote:

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As I said: Africans come from Africa, Europeans from Europe, Asians from Asia, Indians from India, etc.....so

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I agree.

quote:

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Negro must come from Negroland, or someplace similarly named.

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Sir, I do not divide the continent of Africa. There are many Africans. Some are of the Negro stock and some are not. What is it about that you do not understand?

quote:

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Now, can or will you provide what I've asked for? Again, it's a simple YES and post it, or a NO.

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Take your weak strawman tactic somewhere else. I don't play those silly games. You did not concoct the term "Negroland." It actually exists and has a history: Negroland demarkation. That's why I am accusing you of resorting to strawman tactics. If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?

Now if you want, I can put up a map of Africa and point out where you will find a predominant African Negro population.

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1. "Where do I mention a "Negroland" in any of my correspondence to you? Please point to exactly where I mention it..."
You said to me, "I never claimed or spoke of a "Negroland" so why are you ascribing that to me?" THAT would be where it was mentioned to me, in response to what I initially asked you.

2. "Sir..." I am not a "Sir" as I am not a man. You ASSUmed that I am a man; are you aware of how the word ASSUME breaks down? As a matter of fact, I made it oh so clear in another post that I am a wombman (and yes, I am quite aware of how I have spelled it, it is intentional).

3. From just what I have read thus far, you are the one with "understanding" as I have plenty of "overstanding" that Africa is comprised of many African cultures/societies, etc. I also overstand that there is no such a thing, in REALity, as a "NEGRO" as "negro" is a word that means 'black' and 'black' is an adjective that describes a person, place or thing.

4. Not a game. LIKE I SAID: If you are going to fling around the word "Negro" like one actually does exist outside of racist categories/ideologies, then a Negro must come from a place called Negroland or someplace similarly named; and if this people and this place exists in REALity, I would like to know where.

5. Where on this forum did I ever state, or even imply, that I came up with the term "Negroland" And when reasoning with me, posting Wickipedia links will get you nowhere: I won't go to it and read a thing it says....if you wonder why, read my post called "Research" as your answer will be there. That being said, I respectfully ask that you come with something better and more credible than a wickipedia cite. If it is your position that Negroland is REAL AND EXISTS, please show me a CURRENT WORLD MAP from a CREDIBLE OBJECTIVE SITE that CLEARLY AND DISTINCTLY shows a country and/or region called "Negroland." IF you can, please post it and this discussion between us is done; if you cannot, then please just STFU and this discussion between us is done.

6. "If I never mentioned it, why are you bringing it up?" Told you once; then it was asked and answered once; it's now been asked twice and I will not tell you three times. Reading comprehension is important; respectfully, maybe if you re-read what I said, you will get it.

7. And no, Negroland does not actually, in REALity, exist. As I am sure not just a few here KNOW, it is just another racist, European invention.

I have been nothing short of respectful to you when addressing you, and I expect the same respect in return- nothing more and nothing less. Don't push it, please.

htp.

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1. Yes, it is a term. In REALity, a Negro does not exist.

2. Actually, it is apparent that I am the one wasting my time with YOU. I have addressed your question to me regarding my bringing up "Negroland" more than once, the problem apparently is your reading comprehension.

3. I will not laugh at your ignorance, because it's not polite to do so, and is disrespectful but...lol..."overstanding" is a RASTA term/usage as well as used by many Conscious People, and that is how I am familiar with it...I don't know anything about that cult you referred to other than what I have seen posted on MBs here and there- you apparently know more about it than I do...I also do not personally know, and as far as I know I have not interacted with, any of its members or former members...so that should answer your question: am I a former member? NO. Further, if the man is a convicted serial child molester, he should be tossed in a vat of lighter fluid with all the other pedophiles and a lit match tossed in.....

Anyway, I don't have time for and will not waste my energy on, going back and forth round and round over and over and over again with the same person about the same thing. This topic of reasoning is done between us. That being said: you're dismissed dear.

Fulljoy the rest of your day.

htp
 

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Posted by Recovering Afrocentrist (Member # 17311) on :
 
Sir,

You were the one who brought up the term "Negroland," which made no sense since I never spoke on it. That implies to me you attempted to use a strawman tactic. You got called on it. Case close on that. Let's keep it moving.

As far as the "Newubian" sex-cult, I only asked you if you were a member. I did not accuse you of being one. There is a difference between a question and a statement (take your time when you are reading). I have had run-ins with some of its members and they frequently use the buzzword "overstand," not to mention their wacky cosmogony on how the world began.

Anyhow, thank you for educating me on the fact that Rastafarians also use it.

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
1. Yes, it is a term. In REALity, a Negro does not exist.

2. Actually, it is apparent that I am the one wasting my time with YOU. I have addressed your question to me regarding my bringing up "Negroland" more than once, the problem apparently is your reading comprehension.

3. I will not laugh at your ignorance, because it's not polite to do so, and is disrespectful but...lol..."overstanding" is a RASTA term/usage as well as used by some Conscious Black People, and that is how I am familiar with it...I don't know anything about that cult you referred to other than what I have seen posted on MBs here and there- you apparently know more about it than I do...I also do not personally know, and as far as I know I have not interacted with, any of its members or former members...so that should answer your question: am I a former member? NO. Further, if the man is a convicted serial child molester, he should be tossed in a vat of lighter fluid with all the other pedophiles and a lit match tossed in.....

Anyway, I don't have time for and will not waste my energy on, going back and forth round and round over and over and over again with the same person about the same thing. This topic of reasoning is done between us. That being said: you're dismissed dear.

Fulljoy the rest of your day.

htp

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
Africana
studies is and will remain distinct from Afro-eccentric
Black ethnocentricism.

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Wow, a black Jew adherent who supports a JEWISH state and a white Serphadi Rabbi who calls for ethnic cleaning of Palestinians decrying ethnocentrism! HYPOCRITE!

Africana studies = negro Jew lovers and pseudo scholars.


 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
Africana
studies is and will remain distinct from Afro-eccentric
Black ethnocentricism.

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Wow, a black Jew adherent who supports a JEWISH state and a white Serphadi Rabbi who calls for ethnic cleaning of Palestinians decrying ethnocentrism! HYPOCRITE!

Africana studies = negro Jew lovers and pseudo scholars.

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

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The Persians spoke Old Persian which was Elamite. So why can't they be called Elamites?

The people ruling Iran today are not Persians. They do not speak the Persian languages.

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"Sir..." I am not a "Sir" as I am not a man. You ASSUmed that I am a man; are you aware of how the word ASSUME breaks down? As a matter of fact, I made it oh so clear in another post that I am a wombman (and yes, I am quite aware of how I have spelled it, it is intentional).

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Did you get it that time?

Nuff said because as I said: you're dismissed.

htp
 

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Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
 

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't need you to come behind anything I have said.
My writings here these past five years are anything
but Afro-eccentric or Afro-ethnocentric. Africana
studies is and will remain distinct from Afro-eccentric
Black ethnocentricism.

You however are in much need of a bath to remove
the filth and stench from the racial hatred that
makes you a Eurocentric.

Your lead post to this thread was utterly foolish
and didn't even depict the bushy hair Persians in
fact depicted themselves as wearing both on their
monuments and in their statuary.

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Indeed. We all know Persians are not identical to Africans (the bogus strawman being built bythose allegedly "recovering") but at any rate early Persians looked like Africans according to documented mainstream scholarship.



http://www.geocities.ws/nilevalleypeoples/quotes.htm

quote:
"Distance analysis and factor analysis, based on Q-mode correlation coefficients, were applied to 23 craniofacial measurements in 1,802 recent and prehistoric crania from major geographical areas of the Old World. The major findings are as follows: 1) Australians show closer similarities to African populations than to Melanesians. 2) Recent Europeans align with East Asians, and early West Asians resemble Africans. 3) The Asian population complex with regional difference between northern and southern members is manifest. 4) Clinal variations of craniofacial features can be detected in the Afro-European region on the one hand, and Australasian and East Asian region on the other hand. 5) The craniofacial variations of major geographical groups are not necessarily consistent with their geographical distribution pattern. This may be a sign that the evolutionary divergence in craniofacial shape among recent populations of different geographical areas is of a highly limited degree. Taking all of these into account, a single origin for anatomically modern humans is the most parsimonious interpretation of the craniofacial variations presented in this study."
(Hanihara T. Comparison of craniofacial features of major human groups. Am J Phys Anthropol. 1996 Mar;99(3):389-412.)
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Good post zarahan, if alTakruri is not indisposed, and can still read, he might be interested in this.

I wonder if that nonsense he was trying to push, might have something to do with denying the Hebrews as Black people.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
You'll have to do better than bait and switch.
That only works on those inattentive to detail
and particulars. Masha'i aren't Persians. Sabaeans
aren't Persians. Afars aren't Persians. Elamites
aren't Persians.

Presenting images of Elamites doesn't magically
turn Persian Darius into one. Same for the other
example of Medes I gave. In fact it just lends
support to my imitation-in-admiration speculation.

I personally know a few straight to very slightly
wavy haired individuals who got 'Fros in the 70s.

One was my Saudi roommate who came to me asking,
"How do I get my hair like yours?" Now this was
a far cry from the usual Saudi who'll taunt with,
"You can't change your hair." By change they mean
to part the hair with a comb.

I had my roommate shampoo with beer and eggs, real
cans of beer and real cartons of eggs. Within a
month he was sporting a bushy Afro. After attaining
to his degree and before returning to Riyadh he let
his hair go back to its original and natural straight
texture.

Now how in hell can you tell me what I witnessed
couldn't have happened without applying a perm.
But that's beside the point because curling irons
and thus "permanent waves/curls" are nothing new
in history.


Hair texture is determined by shape in cross section
of a hair. Helix hair is compressed oval and grows
up and out in defiance of gravity. Straight hair is
round and flops down weighted by gravity.

I can tell similar stories for Latinos, Germans, Iranis,
etc.

I have nothing at stake in the "Persian Afro." I
couldn't give a damn if their hair was nappier than
a racoon's ass or straighter than a sow's pussy.

Like I said I used to think they had natural naps but
after the experience of viewing busts from the perspective
of directly
above the crowned head I now stand by the ends of the
hair being curled by artifice.



I don't need to make every people in the East into
a black people. There are plenty of indigenous black
Easterners with and without bushy hair. I don't have
to invent them where they don't exist.

Persians curled their hair in imitation and admiration
of the Elamites perfectly as possible copying the
style
from the Immortals in their employ. That's my opinion
which I can present without the need to ridicule those
who don't share my opinion.

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Originally posted by dana marniche:
The below photo is of an Elamite who are the pre-Persian inhabitants of Susiana in Iran. Just as the Achamenid Daae, Derbikes are the pre-Scythian inhabitants of Susiana Iran and Central Asia.


Elamite of Susa

Below - Modern man still living on ancient Elamite site


Hair not by Artifice


People that wore their hair in Afros back in the '70s wore it because they could. The blowdryer can do wonders for European people with frizzy hair. No amount teasing is going to turn a regular European hairdo into an AFro unless it is permed. Most people Jewish, Spanish, Italian who had afros in the 70s whether we like it or not didn't need to perm their hair!

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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - You have made many claims as to the ancestry of the Persians. They are all contrary to conventional history - although admittedly no one knows for sure where they came from. Do you have anything to substantiate your claims?

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Originally posted by dana marniche:
No need to berate me and then put pictures of people whose hair reflect their African anestry in your posting.

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Dana, you don't seem to understand. Great Jew is the best most intelligent most knowledgeable person. He can talk down to whomever he pleases.
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
My response to Dana was merely "reply in kind."
Q: Who are my teachers? A: All of them. Meaning
I learn from anybody and everybody. The more I
learn the less I realize I know. Every member of
this forum knows something that I don't know.

Nonetheless confidence struts inside of me.
Ego trips? Yeah, I take them frequently.
It's best to appease me.
Because me with my pure caramel colour, I'm a deity.
So call me the educator.
You're going to need me sooner or later.
Whew!!! Whew!!! Whew!!!
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Typical pompous egotism. Your fellow Jew Buber would not be proud, oh Great Jew teacher.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
[QB] The original Proto- Saharan tribes of Central Asia were known as the Kushana, Yuehshih, Mandaga (Manda > Mande), and Kasu. The four kingdoms of Saka were the Maga (Manga), Masaka, Mansa and Mandaga (Manda). The term Saka, now used to describe a late Indo-European group that conquered Central Asia formerly was used to refer to the Kushites/Proto-Saharans of ancient Central Asia. The name Maga, reminds us of the Magians or Maka, of the Persian inscriptions who lived in Media.

The ancient Sumerian name for Medea ,was Mada. One of the six tribes of Mada,was the "Mages" or "Magu" in Persian. The name Mage signified "the great,the High". Herodotus, claimed the the Medes came from Athens. This would support a Mande origin.



Mede

Wow! why is it that this kind of photo is being shown for the 2nd time in human history in public.

And from what I understand in Ethiopian even today "Magi" is a word for priest. At least that is what Bernal wrote.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - Just curious.
You seem particularly impressed with the above carving posted by Clyde. Though it is a fine piece of work, I fail to see how it is fundamentally different from the others. Can you say why you feel that it is, and why you give particular credence to this one?
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - You have made many claims as to the ancestry of the Persians. They are all contrary to conventional history - although admittedly no one knows for sure where they came from. Do you have anything to substantiate your claims?

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:

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Originally posted by dana marniche:
No need to berate me and then put pictures of people whose hair reflect their African anestry in your posting.

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Dana, you don't seem to understand. Great Jew is the best most intelligent most knowledgeable person. He can talk down to whomever he pleases.

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I appreciate your understanding of my point of view but I'm not into denigrating Jews or people of any faith or color. Although it might i guess sometimes appear that way.

Actually I have learned a lot from alTakruri, Dr. Winters, Zarahan, Djehuti, Scorpion, Ausar and many people on this site. And I'm hoping to continue to do so.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
It is also interesting that the Lydian and the Mede posted by Dr. Winters look alike. Lud, was considered of course and to be the "semitic" ancestor of the Lydians while the mythos or story of the Lydian deity Attis is similar to that of Adad or Addu of Mesopotamia and of course that of Ad.

The Ad and Amlukh (Meluchha) figure among the tribes of the "curly haired" Mahra of Arabia until the 20th century and still live in the Horn of Africa as well.


Arabian Mahra

“The tribe of Ad were descended from Ad, the son of Aws (Uz), the son of Aram, the son of Sem the son of Noah who after the confusion of tongues, settled in al Ahkaf or the winding sands in the province of Hadramaut, where his posterity greatly multiplied. Their first king was Shedad the son of Ad of whom the eastern writers deliver many fabulous things…” p. 5 The Koran, translation and notes by George Sale, 1890.

According to Arabian stories and tradition Adites and the second Ad (Aad) or Samud or thamud and related tribes of settled in remote times in Bactriana, Sogdiana and Gandhara regions.

“The tribe of Amalek were descended from Amalek the son of Eliphaz the son of Esau, though some of the oriental authors say Amalek was the son of Ham the son of Noah, and others the son of Azd the son of Sem.” p. 6 The Koran
The mythos of the Adites also interestingly is similar to that of the Atlantians and Adapa.

Of course this all has nothing to do with whether the Persians had curly hair or not so I'll end this expose here. Get carried away some times.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - Just curious.
You seem particularly impressed with the above carving posted by Clyde. Though it is a fine piece of work, I fail to see how it is fundamentally different from the others. Can you say why you feel that it is, and why you give particular credence to this one?

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I had not known there were works showing the more robust form of Mediterranean which may be connected with among the early Medes. I assumed most of them belonged to the more gracile aquilined Bishari types that figure among so many of the early Persians and Medes.

I consider that 4 types of Ethiopic people are known in the Afro-Asiatic speakers in Asia. One being the typical small gracile Negroid nevertheless Euphemized as the "small Mediterranean" type as in ancient Lachish, Ghassul, ancient Egypt and Sahara and is still seen in the Hejaz and among the Kassab, Shihu etc. Sometimes confused with "Negritos" of the so called Austronesian type (another non-category) because they tend to be very short. They are well represented by the Dravidians as well and probably the ancient Elamites.


Tamil "Dravidian" girl


The other is the very tall and narrow featured type elongated often orthognathic rather than prognathic types also placed in an imaginary black Caucasoid category or the "hamite". This "type" was often described as pastoralist,and "warlike".

it is probably well displayed by many modern east Africans in the Samburu/Masai group and by the Wodabe Fulani. This is the black group European wanted to be counted among most.


A Samburu Moran

Third was the large and robust type of black man probably typified by the Ubaid people of places like the early Eridu culture in Mesopotamia and parts of Arabia. This group also like the first has Negroid features wide platyrrhine noses and like the other two extends to Iran, Central Asia and India in remote times. This looks to be the type Clyde featured. It can certainly not as easily be confused with European types.
These types gradually mixed in Arabia and Mesopotamia and India becoming the earliest speakers of Dravidian, and "semitic" dialects which later evidently combined to form the "Indic Iranian" dialects. I was just surprised that these portrayals seem to differ from the bulk of portrayals of the Persian soldiers and other Medes who to me appear more "gracile" and more or less the type Europeans like to call "dark skinned Caucasoid".

The groups of the Bani Salool (Rabia bin Nizar) and the Shahran and Dawasir (Azd) pictured here probably represent a combination of the robust Africoid with the taller group Africoids. It is also very populous in some other towns in Central Arabia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09VyS7TuSg
From Beishe in southwest Saudi Arabia
The Azd and Rabi'a groups. The are also some non-Arab mixtures in this video obviously.

The last type was also descended from the short or small flat nosed gracile popoulations and the elongated types both classified as "Caucasoids" by European academics . It is another "type" liked to refer to as "Hamitic". They include the woolly and curly haired peoples of Eritrea, Somalia etc. and are probably represented by ancient Persians but are also still found in Arabia, Mesopotamia and Iran. Sometimes this type is also called "Eurafrican".


Tigre woman of Eritrea
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - You seem to be using Herodotus's works as actual history. They are most definitely NOT history. It is best to think of Herodotus as a story teller, there might at times be fact in his stories, but that cannot be depended upon.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - Judging from your latest post, You seem to have gotten into the habit of making the most outlandish claims. Robust form of Mediterranean? Small gracile Negroid? Ubaid people?

Where is all of this coming from?
Please do this favor, please attach a source when posting this sort of thing, I am curious as to where it is coming from.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - Judging from your latest post, You seem to have gotten into the habit of making the most outlandish claims. Robust form of Mediterranean? Small gracile Negroid? Ubaid people?

Where is all of this coming from?
Please do this favor, please attach a source when posting this sort of thing, I am curious as to where it is coming from.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - Judging from your latest post, You seem to have gotten into the habit of making the most outlandish claims. Robust form of Mediterranean? Small gracile Negroid? Ubaid people?

Where is all of this coming from?
Please do this favor, please attach a source when posting this sort of thing, I am curious as to where it is coming from.

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It is coming from basic research and reading up on the physical anthropological "scholarship" on ancient physical "types" in the southwest Asia.
Maybe I should have put quotations around these terms but they are well known to anyone that has read anything on the history of civilization, and they are nearly always used up until the advent of DNA studies which are not much better.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Dana, dont pay Mike much mind. He just wants you to know he knows sh!t. lol
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - It appeared that you were doing a First-person narrative.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
Fine - but I still think everybody here should start reading what early anthropologists like G. Elliot Smith said about the physical type of ancient populations. Or at least Diop's conversation on the Mediterranean race terminology. That would only verify what you are talking about here.

For example the below statements made by Europeans are not a threat. They are GOOD things because they are essentially saying sub-Saharan Africans or at least east Africans were the dominant occupants of the ancient Near East in early historic times.

“There is a considerable mass of evidence to show that there was a very close resemblance between the proto-Egyptians and the Arabs before either became intermingled with Armenoid racial elements.” Elliot Smith p. 54 The Proto-Dynastic Egyptians

“Syria, Arabia, Mesopotamia and Sumer were parts of the original domain of the Brown Race”, p. 145-146.

“The population of both Upper and Lower Mesopotamia in prehistoric times belonged to the brown or Mediterranean race. While this basic stock persisted in historical, times especially in the south, it became increasingly, mixed especially with broad-headed Armenoid peoples from the northeastern mountains owing to the recurrent incursions of mountain tribes into the plain.” In William L. Langer – An Encyclopedia of World History, Houghton Mifflin Company Boston 1972 .

If anybody doesn't understand the necessity of knowing such info had been established in academics until recently please let me know why or why they don't think it is important to reiterate?
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - I take issue with you because you are posting nonsense and passing it off as science.

To begin; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ARMENOID PEOPLE!!!!

EVEN WIKI KNOWS THAT!

The Armenoid or Assyroid race in scientific racism is a subtype of the Caucasian race.


Illustration of an "Armenian Armenoid" from The Races of Europe: A Sociological Study by William Zebina Ripley (1911)




dana marniche - Do I really need to tell you that this is a TURK!!!


Below is a short history of Armenia, please feel free to check the facts, and then please check this against the nonsense that you have been reading.





Armenia

The name Armenian may be the result of Persian or Greek confusion of them with the Aramaeans of the Aram kingdom.

At its height, Armenia extended from the south-central Black Sea coast to the Caspian Sea and from the Mediterranean Sea to Lake Urmia in present-day Iran. The original Armenians, probably a Dravidian people, first appear in history shortly after the end of the 7th century B.C. After driving out some of the ancient populations to the east of Mount Ararat, (Namely Urartians), the invaders imposed their leadership over regions which, although suffering from Scythian and Cimmerian attacks, still had retained elements of a high degree of civilization, (e.g., walled cities, irrigation works, and arable fields).

The Hayk, as the Armenians name themselves, were not able to achieve the power and independence of their predecessors (Hatti, Urartians), and were first rapidly incorporated by King Cyaxares into the Median empire and then annexed with Media by King Cyrus II, to form part of the Achaemenian Persia Empire (550 B.C.). The country is mentioned as Armina and Armaniya in the Bisitun inscription of Darius I (522 B.C.), and according to Herodotus, formed part of the 13th satrapy (province) of Persia; the Alarodioi forming part of the 18th. Xenophon's Anabasis, recounting the adventures of Greek mercenaries in Persia;

describes the local government of Armenia, at about 400 B.C, as being in the hands of village headmen, part of whose tribute to the Persian king, consisting of horses. Armenia continued to be governed by Persian or native satraps until its absorption into the Macedonian empire of Alexander the Great (331 B.C.) and its successor, the Seleucid empire (301 B.C.).

The Artaxiads


After the defeat of the Seleucid king Antiochus III, his two Armenian satraps, Artaxias (Artashes I) and Zariadres (Zareh), established themselves with Roman consent, as kings of Greater Armenia and Sophene respectively, thus becoming the creators of an independent Armenia. Artashes I (a Persian name) built his capital called Artashat, on the Aras River near modern Yerevan. The Greek geographer Strabo names the capital of Sophene as Carcathiocerta.


Not much is known of Artashes I reign, but his love life is part of Armenian legend.


Artashes and Satenik



Satenik was the name of the Alan (White Scythian tribe) princess who married Artashes I, the king of Armenia. Their love story, known as Artashes and Satenik, is presented by the fifth century Armenian historian Movses Khorenatsi in his History of Armenia. Movses noted that the story, which he directly quotes from, was a well-known epic during his time among the common people of Armenia, as told by traveling storytellers and minstrels. Satenik is a popular feminine name among Armenians today.

The invasion of the Kingdom of Armenia by the Alans during the reign of King Artashes I (189-160 B.C.) serves as the backdrop of the romantic tale between Artashes and Satenik. Following their conquering of the lands of Georgia, the Alans moved further southwards, crossing the Kur River and effectively, into Armenia. Artashes gathered a large force to meet the Alanian threat and a fierce war took place between the two sides. Resulting in the capture of the young son of the Alanian king. The Alanians were forced to retreat back to the the Kur river, and there they set up a base camp on the northern side of the river. Meanwhile, Artashes' army pursued them and established their camp on the southern side of the Kur. The Alanian king asked for an eternal peace treaty to be concluded between his people and the Armenians and promised to give Artashes anything he wanted, so long as he would release his son, but the Armenian king refused to do so. (Skipping the rest of the love story).


Tigranes II (The Great)





An attempt to end the division of Armenia was made at about 165 B.C, when an Artaxiad ruler sought to suppress his rival, the attempt failed however, and it was left to his descendant Tigranes II (95 B.C.) to establish, by his conquest of Sophene, a unity that was to last almost 500 years.

Under Tigranes, Armenia ascended to a pinnacle of power unique in its history and became, albeit briefly, the strongest state in the Roman east. Extensive territories were taken from the kingdom of Parthia in Iran, which was compelled to sign a treaty of alliance. Iberia (Georgia), Albania, and Atropatene had already accepted Tigranes' suzerainty when the Aramaeans, tired of anarchy, offered him their crown (83 B.C.). And with that, Tigranes penetrated as far south as Canaan.

Armenian culture at the time of Tigranes was Persian, as it had been, and as it was fundamentally to remain for many centuries. The Armenian empire lasted until Tigranes became involved in a struggle between his father-in-law, Mithradates VI of Pontus and Rome.

The Roman general Lucius captured Tigranocerta, Tigranes' new capital in 69 B.C, but He failed to reach Artashat. But in 66 B.C, the legions of Pompey, aided by one of Tigranes' sons, succeeded in reaching Artashat. Tigrane was compelled to give up Syria and other conquests in the south, and to become an ally of Rome. Armenia thus became a buffer state, and often a battlefield between Rome and Parthia. Maneuvering between these two larger neighbors, the Armenians gained a reputation for deviousness. The Roman historian Tacitus called them an ambigua gens (“ambiguous people”).


The Eurasian Invasion - Arrival of the Turks

Armenia did not begin to take on it's modern White Turkish identity, until the 1,100s A.D. By the time of the invasions of the Turkish Seljuq peoples in the 11th century A.D, the Black Armenian kingdoms had already been destroyed from the west. The province of Taron had been annexed to the Byzantine Empire in 968 A.D, and the expansionist policy of the Byzantine emperor Basil II, finally extinguished Armenian independence. The possessions of David of Tayq were annexed in 1000 A.D, and the kingdom of Vaspurakan in 1022 A.D. In the latter year, the Bagratid king of Ani, Yovhannes-Smbat, was compelled to make the Roman emperor heir to his estates, and in 1045 A.D, despite the resistance of Gagik II, Ani was seized by the Roman Constantine IX.

The Byzantine conquest was however short-lived: in 1048 A.D, The Turks arrived, Toghrïl Beg led the first Seljuq Turk raid into Armenia in 1064 A.D. Ani and Kars fell to Toghrïl's nephew and heir Alp-Arslan, and after the Battle of Manzikert (1071 A.D.), most of the country was in Turkish hands. In 1072 A.D, the Kurdish Shaddadids received Ani as a fiefdom. A few native Black Armenian rulers survived for a time in the Kiurikian kingdom of Lori, the Siuniqian kingdom of Baghq or Kapan, and the principates of Khachen (Artzakh) and Sasun. In the 12th century A.D, many former Armenian regions became parts of Georgia, and between 1236 and 1242 A.D, the whole of Armenia and Georgia fell into the hands of the Mongols. Soon the Turkish Ottoman Empire will raise.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - These are the Aramaeans with whom the Persians or Greeks confused the Armenians.






 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 

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dana marniche - Do I really need to tell you that this is a TURK!!

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Originally posted by Mike111:
I bring the truth,

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
He he, My little turkey, you could at least have TRIED to refute the history that I posted above. True, you would have failed, but at least the effort would have made you seem somewhat like a real person. Not just the pathetic little creature who can only reply with, what in your pathetic mind, passes for sarcasm.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
you could at least have TRIED to refute the history that I posted above.

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^ lame ass attempt at bait. lol
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
True, I am trying to draw you into an impossible position; so that I can destroy you once and for all. I case you didn't get it, your mindless stupidity annoys me.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
^ oh mikey, please be gentle.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Beg all you want, no grease!
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
dana marniche - I take issue with you because you are posting nonsense and passing it off as science.

To begin; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ARMENOID PEOPLE!!!!

EVEN WIKI KNOWS THAT!

The Armenoid or Assyroid race in scientific racism is a subtype of the Caucasian race.


Illustration of an "Armenian Armenoid" from The Races of Europe: A Sociological Study by William Zebina Ripley (1911)

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
^ It's ironic that the "Armenoid" population being referred to has extensive African and/or West Asian ancestry as well. Those excerpts class idealized, "off-white", Arabs (who resemble Armenians the most) as a foreign element. That tells us a lot about the Black African and Black Asian character in the region.

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Ur right, Bob. And that is mainly a matter of "Armenoid Caucasoids" absorbing the black non- "Armenoid" populations that preceded them in the Middle East and most recently Arabia.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - The invading "TURKS" (plus the prior Hellenes and Romans) absorbed the indigenous Blacks, "THUS" creating the phony "Armenoid Caucasoids" subtype.


I understand the confusion, but a careful read of the White mans bullsh1t, and a prior knowledge of the referenced people, makes the White mans propaganda like below, laughable instead of confusing.


Armenoid race

Carleton wrote that the racial type in question is very similar to the Dinaric race; the only difference is that they have a somewhat darker pigmentation, most probably due to racial mixture with the Mediterraneans and the Alpines. He described the Armenoid as a subrace of the Caucasoid race.

The Armenoid people are found throughout the whole Eurasia, however the largest concentrations occur within Asia Minor. They are known as the "true" Caucasians. Armenoids are relatively tall, usually have somewhat darker skins, large round eyes usually black; a round, brachycephalic head shape with a straight backing (planocciput), high cheekbones and non-prominent chins. Lips are full usually with often hooked noses.

This racial group includes the Armenians and the Assyrians. It is also an element in India and Southern Europe. Armenoid is the dominant type of the indigenous Semitic groups of Syria and Mesopotamia: the ancient Amorites, the modern Assyrians and Chaldeans, the religious minorities of Lebanon and Syria, and the Lebanese and Syrians of mountainous regions have all been identified as being of the Armenoid type.


Renato Biasutti described the Armenoid race as having: "Opaque-white skin, brunet hair and eyes, abundant pilosity; medium stature, sturdy body build; wide head with rounded occiput; very long face, straight and narrow nose with high bridge; thin lips, narrow eye opening.


Please note the contradictions in bold, and how skillfully the White ass-hole who wrote the piece, transitioned between ancient people and modern people, in order to make his bullsh1t seen reasonable.



Amorite




Assyrian




Chaldeans


 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
[b]dana marniche - The invading "TURKS" (plus the prior Hellenes and Romans) absorbed the indigenous Blacks, "THUS" creating the phony "Armenoid Caucasoids" subtype.





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Umm... we all know about the BS, Michael - that is one of the reasons I brought the subject up. You keep telling me the stuff I'm already trying to state without the cuss words and insults. But thanks for your concern!
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Mike just likes to think he's the top dog scholar in here. Its something to do with his low self esteem.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Mike just likes to think he's the top dog scholar in here. Its something to do with his low self esteem.

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Ur right, Bob. And that is mainly a matter of "Armenoid Caucasoids" absorbing the black non- "Armenoid" populations that preceded them in the Middle East and most recently Arabia.

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dana marniche - Above is what YOU wrote:

Below is what I wrote:

dana marniche - The invading "TURKS" (plus the prior Hellenes and Romans) absorbed the indigenous Blacks, "THUS" creating the phony "Armenoid Caucasoids" subtype.


The difference being that you are saying that these "Armenoid Caucasoids" existed BEFORE they absorbed the indigenous Blacks.

What I am saying is that it was the admixture or absorption between the indigenous Blacks and the White Hellenes, Romans, and finally Turks; which PRODUCED the people now called "Armenoid Caucasoids".

Before that, they were just plain ole White people on the one hand, and just plain ole Black people on the other hand.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 
OK Mike - u got me!!! U told me something I don't already know - again.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
dana marniche - I am going to pursue this a little further, because as I read through the board, the concept seems to be a little hard to understand for some reason.

I am getting the impression that most people are still thinking that the people we know as Turks today, ALWAYS looked as they do now, and were ALWAYS a subset of Whites.

That is NOT the case!!!

The ORIGINAL TURKS were plain ORDINARY WHITE people!


{RULERS OF EGYPT}










It was not until AFTER the break-up of the Turkish Empire (Ottoman) after WWI, that the MIXED RACE people who we know as Turks today, were able to take control of the various countries which used to make up the Turkish Empire.

Gamal Nasser of Egypt was the first of these new "Mixed Race" rulers.


 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
[b]dana marniche - I am going to pursue this a little further, because as I read through the board, the concept seems to be a little hard to understand for some reason.

I am getting the impression that most people are still thinking that the people we know as Turks today, ALWAYS looked as they do now, and were ALWAYS a subset of Whites.

That is NOT the case!!!


The ORIGINAL TURKS were plain ORDINARY WHITE people!


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Why would u do that Michael when u know I already covered that topic on ur posting topic - "Who is the Real Arab". Or do you only read ur own stuff!

First of all u are wrong because if we really wanted to talk about the original Turks we would be mentioning the people below.


Women of the Turkoman tribe
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
The Ancient Persians/Iranians looked much like they do today. The Elam were dark skinned people, but to label them black and try and feel good for their achievements is wrong. The Dravidians are meant to be related to them and they are not related to black africans. They have more genetics in common with East and south/west and central Asians then with Africans.

You don't see white people claiming china and Japan as white do you? Or taking credit for their achievements.

You should only be proud of what your own people did not others who are genetically distant from you.

Europeans/whites don't even care about Iranian history. They don't teach it in schools, nor do they say it is white achievement. The Persians even tho are Indo-Europeans are not seen as white by Europeans.

The Ancient persians were heavily influenced by the Assyrians art, that is why the art is very similar. The Assyrians were deplicated by Ancient Eygptians as having lite skin. So does that mean the Assyrians were black?

Also here are more pics of ancient persians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mosaic

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The Alexander Mosaic, dating from circa 100 BC, is a famous floor mosaic originally from the House of the Faun in Pompeii. It depicts a battle between the armies of Alexander the Great and Darius III of Persia

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Below is a Classical Greek depiction of Xerxes when he was still a prince in the court of his father, Darius the Great:



Darius I, imagined by a Greek painter, 4th century BCE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Darius-Vase.jpg

Parthain General Surena




Roman depiction of Iranian nobles depicted here as the three wise men.
It is clear that the Romans were objective in their portrayal of their enemies,
the Parthians and the Sassanians.

Drawing of the three Iranians in Persian dress from Ravenna, Italy:

 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Darius I, imagined by a Greek painter, 4th century BCE

 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Alcoholic why the name change and the re-hashing of the same ol thread? Hardly anyone said the Elamites were Blacks from Africa you are simply using this thread as bait can't talk about culture,science/technology/religion/historiography of ancient peoples for you it's about their hair,their nose,are they dark or black,tanned..then you and your kind turned around and project..all you guys talk about is race when it's you who keep coming up with race thingy.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Also Original Turks look Mongoloid. They originated in or near Mongolia. Aslo the Turkic langauge is classed as Altaic languages.

The Turks of Turkeya are not even really Turks. They are mix of very small amount actual Turkic people and are mainly Eastern-Europeans,arabs and native Anatolians mix's.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by SiskoDS9:
Also Original Turks look Mongoloid. They originated in or near Mongolia. Aslo the Turkic langauge is classed as Altaic languages.

The Turks of Turkeya are not even really Turks. They are mix of very small amount actual Turkic people and are mainly Eastern-Europeans,arabs and native Anatolians mix's.

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Sisko - You are new so I will give you a break, but we already have enough White-boys-dreaming on the board.

For future reference; Wiki is also abundant with White-boys-dreaming. Therefore before using anything from Wiki you should have another source to confirm. The Alexander Mosaic is obviously NOT what they say it is. To confirm that, simply look for Persian artifacts to compare it to. That fact that you did not do this, is forgivable ONLY ONCE!


To your other point, yes Turkey is a mixture of all the White riff-raft plus the indigenous Blacks of Anatolia. But mainly they are Turks, and Turks USED to be just as White as you.


Just to show you that I am a kindly Black gentleman, and not a meanie like some on the board, like that Afro guy. I will generously give you a Persian link to start you off.

Now be sure to click all of the links and look at all of the pictures. Then if you come back with any more of that White-boys-dreaming bullsh1t, I can toast you with a clear conscience.


http://oi.uchicago.edu/museum/collections/pa/persepolis/apadana.html
 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Mike!! Sisko is Alcoholic
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Oh.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
So I guess that's the end of the Sisko kid.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Those reliefs were influenced by Assyrian art. Look at Assryian art and they have the same style. According to Egyptians, the Assyrians were lite skinned. Also the Elam had straight hair according to their own art.

Also curly hair is not uncommon outside of Africa, I've seen many Europeans to Persians with curly hair. But the Persians copied Assyrian style.

It is you who keeps dreaming. You can not find anything good in your sub-sharan africa. Look at West Africa where true blacks live and where nearly all African Americans originate from. Nothing. So you try and look for others achievenments and feel good about your selfs Pathetic.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Look under helmet of thois persian soldier, can you not SEE the STRAIGHT HAIR, look at his moustach. The rest has been curled as a style.



Heres how they depicated Ethiopeans.
Persepolis, bas-relief of Ethiopian delegation with ivory and okapi

 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Heres a bigger picture


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Mike!! Sisko is Alcoholic

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Or another pathetic White boy like him - can't talk about the subject, because he was proven wrong, so he goes of on another tangent. Assyrians? Boy you don't even know about yourself, why the hell are you trying to figure out Black people?



 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Just to show you that I really am a kind person Sisko, I will educate you.


Pepper corn hair



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Curly Hair


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Straight Hair



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Narrow little nose - just like the Albinos have.



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Any questions?
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
It's like talking to a brick wall.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
All portayel and describtions of Persians outside of Iran has been causcasian looking. Yet you ignore it and call it fake or fabricated, even tho the paintings are like 2000 years old and thats how they knew Persians as.


Greek portrayal of Persians.


 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 

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Mike!! Sisko is Alcoholic

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Or another pathetic White boy like him - can't talk about the subject, because he was proven wrong, so he goes of on another tangent. Assyrians? Boy you don't even know about yourself, why the hell are you trying to figure out Black people?

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Straight Hair



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Mike!! Sisko is Alcoholic

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Or another pathetic White boy like him - can't talk about the subject, because he was proven wrong, so he goes of on another tangent. Assyrians? Boy you don't even know about yourself, why the hell are you trying to figure out Black people?
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Straight Hair



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Look carefully at her head and you will she has straighted it. Just like most black women do these days.

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Oh, you mean that she might have straighten it because it looked something like this in it's "NORMAL" state???
















Sisko, I told you that you didn't even know about White people, yet you were trying to figure out Black people.

Well see what I mean? You didn't know that you come from Albinos until I told you.

Now I have to tell you that it was White people who invented the hair straightening industry.

Is there anything else that you need to know??
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 

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Originally posted by SiskoDS9:

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Straight Hair



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Look carefully at her head and you will she has straighted it. Just like most black women do these days.

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Oh, you mean that she might have straighten it because it looked something like this in it's "NORMAL" state???
















Sisko, I told you that you didn't even know about White people, yet you were trying to figure out Black people.

Well see what I mean? You didn't know that you come from Albinos until I told you.

Now I have to tell you that it was White people who invented the hair straightening industry.

Is there anything else that you need to know??

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Come from Albinos? Now I know the kind of afrocentric you are.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Oh, so now you have given up on the hair thing - BTW, How does your ass feel?

And now you are on Albinos!

Fine, lets go with Albinos.


It has long been known that the original "Fully Modern Humans" were Black people in Africa, as were the previous Humanoids Homo-Habilis and Homo- Erectus; and the subsequent hybrid Humanoids, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon. But what about Caucasians (White people).

In 2004, Nina G. Jablonski - then of the Department of Anthropology, California Academy of Sciences; published a study entitled "THE EVOLUTION OF HUMAN SKIN AND SKIN COLOR" which declared that White skin developed in Europeans because of a lack of vitamin "D". (She is now at Pennsylvania State University).


But that study was discredited by Ashley H. Robins study of 2009; which said that vitamin "D" had nothing to do with it! (The American Journal of Physical Anthropology).


Then there was a study published in 2005, by researchers from Pennsylvania State University, which declared that Black people in Europe, may have turned White suddenly, between 6,000 - 12,000 years ago. This is of course blatantly false; because we know that White people came to Europe from Asia, and that Blacks in Europe did not change color. Also, all the White people in Europe are already accounted for, as to when they CAME into Europe - they couldn't very well come into Europe, if they were already there. (Notice how both studies are associated with people at Pennsylvania State University - coincidence?).


Those research failures left the Albino theory, the only one still standing; that because it is the only theory whose accuracy is evident in everyday life.




The position of the Albinism scholars, was that White people did not evolve in Central Asia - their known homeland, but rather, were members of the "Second" Out of Africa migration event (OOA) which occurred circa 50,000 B.C.

The second (OOA) migration event, saw Blacks from Africa with "Mongol features" take an "Inland route" through southern Asia and on up to China, where they settled.







Included with this group, were straight haired Blacks "without" Mongol features - now called "Dravidians" who stayed close to Africa, and settled in India and other areas of southern Asia.





Also included with this second (OOA) group were Albinos, who were probably motivated by a quest for relief from the heat and burning Sunshine of southern Africa - and relief from the torment heaped upon them by normal Africans. Even today, superstitious Blacks of southern Africa; maim and mutilate Albinos in the ignorant belief that their body parts process magical properties, which they use in rituals.

Over time, as these groups together, slowly migrated through Southern Asia, there was likely crossbreeding between the groups. Causing those with Mongol feature to take on genes from the others. And also for the Albinos to take on some degree of Melanination from the others.







Albinism

Albinism is a form of hypopigmentary congenital disorder, characterized by a partial or total lack of melanin pigment in the eyes, skin and hair.

Albinism is hereditary; The principal gene which results in albinism prevents the body from making the usual amounts of the pigment melanin. Most forms of albinism are the result of the biological inheritance of genetically recessive alleles (genes) passed from both parents of an individual, though some rare forms are inherited from only one parent.

Because organisms with albinism have skin that lacks (sufficiently or entirely) the dark pigment melanin, which helps protect the skin from ultraviolet radiation coming from the sun, they can sunburn easily from overexposure. Lack of melanin in the eye also results in problems with vision. The gene OCA2, when in a variant form, the gene causes the pink eye color and hypopigmentation common in human albinism. Different SNPs within OCA2 are strongly associated with blue and green eyes.

Hair color is the pigmentation of hair follicles due to two types of melanin, eumelanin and pheomelanin. Generally, if more melanin is present, the color of the hair is darker; if less melanin is present, the hair is lighter. Blond hair can have almost any proportion of phaeomelanin and eumelanin, but both only in small amounts. More phaeomelanin creates a more golden blond color, and more eumelanin creates an ash blond. Blond hair is common in many European peoples, but rare among peoples of non-European origin. Many children born with blond hair develop darker hair as they age. Red hair ranges from vivid strawberry shades to deep auburn and burgundy, and is the rarest fully distinct hair color on earth. It is caused by a variation in the Mc1r gene and believed to be recessive. Red hair has the highest amounts of phaeomelanin and usually low levels of eumelanin, and is the rarest natural human hair color.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Sisko - Haven't you ever noticed that Dravidians and Mongols have STRAIGHTER hair than most White people?

Well now you know why - Straight hair, like ALL other HUMAN attributes, including White skin (Albinism) - ARE AFRICAN!


Don't bother thanking me for educating you - It was my pleasure!
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^^Crossbreeding between Blacks with Mongol features like the SAN; and others, with different attributes, explains the great variety in modern Chinese colors and features.









 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Sisko - I apologize, I should have known that was too much info. for one sitting, especially for a newbie.

But in my own defense, it wasn't me that filled your head with all of that "Superior White" bullsh1t, it was your own people.
 

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Posted by homeylu (Member # 4430) on :
 
A very entertaining thread.
 

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Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
 
Iran is and has been a very diverse population. Depending on the time period and the dynasty in control there could have been central Asians, Europeans, Northern Blondes, Indo-Iranians, southern Persian gulf types and other ethnic populations in charge of the country. This is the importance of the monument to Darius I showing all the various peoples that were part of the Empire. During Persian times various ethnic populations were organized into Satraps as units of the Persian armies and political structure.

Iranian types:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/teimoury/2615927647/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/sefroyek/3585390643/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Larijani


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

So yes, many Persians were white, but that does not mean all Persians at the time were white. And there have always been black indigenous aboriginal types in Iran and they still are there, including those in the South of Iran and those in the West, closer to India.

This has nothing to do with hair at all, as different types of hair can be found on all types of people. Ethnically there has always been a mixture of types in Iran and therefore it is stupid to even argue about it.

Southern Iranian musician:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brsMgi00hUY&feature=related

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I bet you didn't know Iran has Pipers who do the African dance when they come together, in weddings, funerals and political protests. Saeed Shanbeh Zadeh is a musician and dancer from Iran's 'Nuclear" harbor, Bushehr. His kind of music is often referred to as "Bandari", but he insists on making distinction between Bandari and Boushehri music; as he considers the latter more diverse and also more "anthropologically" specific. This video is from his Brussel's performance, in solidarity with Iranians who have had about enough of "Molla-Ali" (Ali Khamenei, the soup-ream leader).

Shanbeh Zadeh lives and performs in Paris. He has performed in numerous international events and he is scheduled to perform in the company of the Irish Pipers in The 16th William Kennedi Piping Festival, 12-15 Novemmber, 2009 in the city of Armagh, Northern Irland.

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From: http://iranfacts.blogspot.com/2009/10/irans-afro-irish-piper-no-its-bushehri.html

And of course the ancient features in Asia are not because of San people.


http://www.petergallagher.com.au/index.php/site/tags/tag/people
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Doug M, you seem to be making the case that once you are a part of a conquering Empire, then you become a part of that ethnic group.

Kinda like Nigerians are Englishman.

Somebody should have told them.







Doug M - I'm trying as hard as I can, but honestly, I don't see the resemblance.

Are you really, really sure about how this works???
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Doug M - I know, lets try it when they are in the same country; you know, like with the Afrikaners and the native South Africans.



Damn - It's still not working for me.

Doug M - I say again, are you really, really sure about how this works???
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Doug M - After not hearing from you, I can only conclude that you have re-thought your premise. I will therefore continue on.


As to the Persians, we don't need to guess at what they looked like.




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Which seems to be very close to the original people down the road about 300-400 miles. Except they had straight hair, which IS significant.



 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
To show the continuity of it all, even after these many thousands of years: Here is an interesting comparison.


East Africans:










Pure Blood Indian:


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
For those who wonder why I specified "Pure-Blood" Indian above.

They were invaded by the first Whites to leave Northern Asia at about 1,500 B.C. The Arians (not Aryans - Aryan was the word for Persian nobility). It is probably NOT a coincidence that White historians try to confuse the terms - hell, those first White people probably called themselves by something completely different. It's just that White people do so love to play these games with history.


This is the result of the Invasion: (These are ALL Indians).


















 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
I hope that it is not lost on anybody that in between East Africa and India is Arabia.

So if you think that THIS is an Arab - you need to have your head examined!


The name says it ALL - AL TURKI (Turkish ancestry).





HERE IS HOW IT REALLY GOES!!!


African:


Indian:

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Indian:



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Arab:


 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
What a bunch of crap Mike and you know it. If you actually took the time took look at Genetics you would know that Arabs belong to Haplogroup J1 which originated in Southern Arabia and is found around 80% in oman and yemen and is found very low in africa around 20% in the north and around 10% in the East. And i am sorry but pure blooded arabs don't look black.

Also Indians are genetically not related to Africans. This is the truth that you cannot handle, you see the world in two lights black and white. Either you are black or your white race. But that is not the case. South Indians are genetically related to their neighbours.

You are the one who is blinded by your hate for the Europeans who enslaved your ancestors this is why you make up crap. Serously I have seen you fraud and lie to please your views. You cannot find anything historcal value in West Africa(Nigroids) to which your ancestors came from, so you look to the east and north where they are not even related to you.

Race is determined by skull shape not skin tone. You are classed as Nigroid. South Africans are capoids and east and north are caucosiods.

All humans ancestors originated in east africa, it has already been accepted by the Science community, your own theory are based on racist hate for white people with no science to back you up.

Pathetic. I don't even know I bother, See you.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
What's even more odd is if you look at Islam, Muhammad even owned slaves and saw them inferior to him self. Arabs enslaved blacks for centurys even after Europeans stopped it. I have met many Arabs and they are very racist towards blacks. Just go to Oman and Yemen where purest arabs are from and tell them they are black.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Yes the Arabs of the old centurys loved Blacks, here are some quotes from the Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars.

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256, See Also Sahih Bukhari 1:11:662, Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664

'Ubaidullah b. Abu Rafi', the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: When Haruria (the Khwarij) set out and as he was with 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) they said," There is no command but that of Allah." Upon this 'Ali said: The statement is true but it is intentionally applied (to support) a wrong (cause). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him described their characteristics and I found these characteristics in them. They state the truth with their tongue, but it does not go beyond this part of their bodies (and the narrator pointed towards his throat). The most hateful among the creation of Allah us one black man among them (Khwarij). One of his hand is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast. When 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) killed them, he said: Search (for his dead body). They searched for him, but they did not find it (his dead body). Upon this he said: Go (and search for him). By Allah, neither I have spoken a lie nor has the lie been spoken to me. 'Ali said this twice and thrice. They then found him (the dead body) in a rain. They brought (his dead) body till they placed it before him (Hadrat 'Ali). 'Ubaidullah said: And, I was present at (that place) when this happened and when 'Ali said about them. A person narrated to me from Ibn Hanain that he said: I saw that black man.
Sahih Muslim 5:2334

I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'
Ishaq 243

Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.
Tabari II 21

It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
Ishaq 450

The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’
Ishaq 374

"Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. - Ahmad"
Mishkat, v. iii, p. 117

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.
(Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375)

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161, See Also Sahih Bukhari 9:87:162, Sahih Bukhari 9:87:163

Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim 4:1032
 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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This is not an Afro. This hair style represents the traditional hair style of Indo-Europeans.




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Originally posted by Mike111:
I hope that it is not lost on anybody that in between East Africa and India is Arabia.

So if you think that THIS is an Arab - you need to have your head examined!


The name says it ALL - AL TURKI (Turkish ancestry).





HERE IS HOW IT REALLY GOES!!!


African:


Indian:

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Indian:



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Mike
I told ya'll Al Bundy was not black 2 years ago.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
You people still don't get it. Persians hair was a style of art from on their relief. You can see that they had straight hair under the helmets.

Also according to the Greeks and Romans they were white. Which most of you dismis, even tho most of the evidence is like 2000 years old.

Persian art was influeced by Assyrian who also had curly hair looking reliefs. But we know the Assyrians were light skin according to paintings from ancient Egypt. Wait that is also a fraud wright?

The Elam were dark skin, but they are related to Dravidians and had straight hair according to their own art. Yet the persians reliefs show them with what you people claim is curly hair.

Here is a Elamite piece,

Elamite worshipper, Susa, Iran
12th century BCE

 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Yes the Arabs of the old centurys loved Blacks, here are some quotes from the Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars.

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256, See Also Sahih Bukhari 1:11:662, Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664

'Ubaidullah b. Abu Rafi', the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: When Haruria (the Khwarij) set out and as he was with 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) they said," There is no command but that of Allah." Upon this 'Ali said: The statement is true but it is intentionally applied (to support) a wrong (cause). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him described their characteristics and I found these characteristics in them. They state the truth with their tongue, but it does not go beyond this part of their bodies (and the narrator pointed towards his throat). The most hateful among the creation of Allah us one black man among them (Khwarij). One of his hand is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast. When 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) killed them, he said: Search (for his dead body). They searched for him, but they did not find it (his dead body). Upon this he said: Go (and search for him). By Allah, neither I have spoken a lie nor has the lie been spoken to me. 'Ali said this twice and thrice. They then found him (the dead body) in a rain. They brought (his dead) body till they placed it before him (Hadrat 'Ali). 'Ubaidullah said: And, I was present at (that place) when this happened and when 'Ali said about them. A person narrated to me from Ibn Hanain that he said: I saw that black man.
Sahih Muslim 5:2334

I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'
Ishaq 243

Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.
Tabari II 21

It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
Ishaq 450

The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’
Ishaq 374

"Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. - Ahmad"
Mishkat, v. iii, p. 117

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.
(Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375)

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161, See Also Sahih Bukhari 9:87:162, Sahih Bukhari 9:87:163

Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim 4:1032

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Muslim brothers, like in Sudan and the other places.

I don't know if this is true or not, and I'm not going to bother looking it up. But I have heard of stuff like this in Muslim religious writings. Luckily I'm not Muslim - this is YOUR problem.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Also the Persian langauge is a Indo-European language just as the Old Persians language was during the Achaemenid time.

English "Father", Old Persian "Pitar"
English "Mother" Old Persian "Matar"

I am sure their are most similarties to other Indo-European languages as well.


Parthian Persians






 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
Mike
I told ya'll Al Bundy was not black 2 years ago.

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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This is not an Afro. This hair style represents the traditional hair style of Indo-Europeans.




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Originally posted by Bettyboo:

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

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Originally posted by Afronut Slayer:
This is especially for the Afronuts who when viewing ancient Persian artwork, seem to confuse Persians for African Negros because of the hair.

Here is an example of a Persian "AFRO..."



**Culture Vulture is not cool

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This is not an Afro. This hair style represents the traditional hair style of Indo-Europeans.




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The blacks of Asia had either straight hair, curly hair, wavy hair or nappy hair. Just because a pic shows straight or straighter hair doesn't mean they weren't indigenous or ethnically black.

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Black is NOT a ethnicity or a race. You just cannot label people black because of their skin tone. Dark asians like Indians and Aborigines are not related to Black Africans. The Aborigines in australia were found to be genetically more closer to pale skinned Chinese people then to Africans. The indians are related to people of central Asia even the darkest dravidian is related to neighbours like Afghans and east asians not africans.

The Europeans are more closer to black africans then Aborigines are.

You people just label anyone with dark skin as black, so that you can feel good about your selfs. So does that mean East Asians are white because they have lite skin?

Oh wait you people are Racist Black Nationalists. Forgot that. You are worse then White Supremists who believe black people are Apes and are inferiior. You people are just the different side of the same coin.

The San/Bushmen in south africa are meant to be the oldest people on the earth their DNA says they were and all other groups are descended of them. You can see the facial features of all people in them.

Humans have been at eachothers throats since the begining it is not a new thing.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Bettyboo - I have no idea of what Clyde was thinking when he wrote that. I thought everybody had read what Herodotus had to say about the Dravidians:

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Ethiopians - Greek word meaning: "burnt face" their term for all Blacks, usually denoting Blacks not of Egypt. The Greeks were too awed by Egyptians to use that term for them - to their face anyway.

Libyans - Greek term usually denoting all of Africa except Egypt (but at this time, since Egypt was now a conquered nation, perhaps the respect was gone).


Here is how Herodotus describes some of the participants in the great battles, he tells us: The Eastern Ethiopians (Dravidians), for two nations of this name served in the army - were marshaled with the Indians. They differed in nothing from the other Ethiopians, save in their language, and the character of their hair. For the Eastern Ethiopians have straight hair, while they of Libya are more woolly-haired than any other people in the world.



 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Bettyboo - I have no idea of what Clyde was thinking when he wrote that. I thought everybody had read what Herodotus had to say about the Dravidians:

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Ethiopians - Greek word meaning: "burnt face" their term for all Blacks, usually denoting Blacks not of Egypt. The Greeks were too awed by Egyptians to use that term for them - to their face anyway.

Libyans - Greek term usually denoting all of Africa except Egypt (but at this time, since Egypt was now a conquered nation, perhaps the respect was gone).


Here is how Herodotus describes some of the participants in the great battles, he tells us: The Eastern Ethiopians (Dravidians), for two nations of this name served in the army - were marshaled with the Indians. They differed in nothing from the other Ethiopians, save in their language, and the character of their hair. For the Eastern Ethiopians have straight hair, while they of Libya are more woolly-haired than any other people in the world.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Sisko - When are you going to learn? Once again you are getting into an area that you know nothing about. The CURRENT people in southeast Asia are NEW to the area as a result of Mongol expansion in the 1600s. Here have a look, and then do some studying.




History of Thailand

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Read realhistory? that site is worse then what Clyde Winters makes up.

Go learn genetics and then you will know.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
All South east asians including the chinese the Aborgines, Polynesians belong to Haplogroup C. TheY are related to eachother not to Africans.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Heres something I found that explains genetic and out of Africa migration.


 

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Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
 
Strawmen Alcoholic...you are the one insisting on a connection/non connection..most here states Black-Asians are Black. and these are not south of China Black Asians but north of China Black Asians


These are not ethnic Chinese but Mongolians from the North of China..who had Black tribes among them.
You don't like the term black being use for anyone but so-called Africans South of the desert even if Blacks called themselves that elsewhere.
The Gothic write Jordannes,described their leader Attila as having..a flat nose and swarthy complexion,which showed evidence of his origin.Jordannes went even farther in minute detail describing the type of Huns he had seen:

The Huns..are of a dark complexion,almost black..[having]broad shoulders,flat noses and small eyes buried in their heads and they were almost destitute of beards;they never enjoyed the manly graces of youth,nor the venerable aspect of age.

The ethinc begining of this nation,Kun,which meant dog,is the origin of the Mongolian royal title Khan,or "great Dog".Later,these peoples in their invasions of Eastern Europe,were referred to as the "Black Tarters" or "Children of Hell";they called themselves "Kara Khitai" or "Black Khitans".

James E. Brunson.

Anansi's note; Please remember that another name for China is "Cathay"


I only wish I could post a pic of the Black Mongolian horse trainer dated 1400 A.D.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Sisko, Sisko - You failed at history, and now you want to take up genetics?

Well okay, but at least get a real genetics map, who the hell is Steve Duenes supposed to be anyway? Here, study this for a couple of years, then we'll talk.


https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html
 

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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
 
Greetings.

@ Sisko, here is some info you should go read...please take your time and read nuff- matter of fact, you should get comfortable and read thoroughly- before you come back spouting off, okay...

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html



htp
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 

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Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
Greetings.

@ Sisko, here is some info you should go read...please take your time and read nuff- matter of fact, you should get comfortable and read thoroughly- before you come back spouting off, okay...

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html



htp

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Sisko, Sisko - You failed at history, and now you want to take up genetics?

Well okay, but at least get a real genetics map, who the hell is Steve Duenes supposed to be anyway? Here, study this for a couple of years, then we'll talk.


https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html

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Black is NOT a ethnicity or a race.

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You just cannot label people black because of their skin tone.

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Dark asians like Indians and Aborigines are not related to Black Africans.

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The Aborigines in australia were found to be genetically more closer to pale skinned Chinese people then to Africans.

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The Europeans are more closer to black africans then Aborigines are.

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The San/Bushmen in south africa are meant to be the oldest people on the earth their DNA says they were and all other groups are descended of them. You can see the facial features of all people in them.

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Originally posted by Mike111:


Though yes, the San are genetically the oldest people.

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Originally posted by Mike111:

The Explorer - Are you on your period?

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You are obviously looking for a fight instead of reading.

1) You asked for genetic evidence.
The piece clearly says: genetic analysis of the San and asserts their blood contains the oldest genetic markers found on Earth.

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2) you say: Do you have evidence that Y-DNA hg A is restricted to Sans in Africa?

But nobody said that it was.

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If it is found that there are others just as old as the San - does that make the San younger?

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Does it make them THE "oldest" group?
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Explorer - He, he - I see it's not your period, it's more like menopause.

Young boy, where the hell do you get off with talking about evidence of my reading comprehension?

Little piss-tailed faggots like you are a dime-a-dozen, and they don't even provide me with a moments interest. If you have a point to make on a subject, then just make it.

What, do you think this pseudo-expert thing is going to make your little dick bigger?

It won't, all it does is to show you as a frustrated faggot in heat, lashing out at everyone and everything, when all you really need is a good rock-hard dick.

My suggestion - find that rock-hard dick that you need so badly, and don't fuch with men, you might piss one of them off.
 

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Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 
mickey mouse -- he, he - I see that you are suffering from a profuse vaginal bleeding.

My advice: go and drink your mama's slimy pussy blood-tinged white fluid. You are not fit for intelligent discussion. Also, don't forget to pick up a book on how to read ABCs.
 

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 

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Originally posted by SiskoDS9:
One more question for Mike.

Have you botherd to read the inscriptions that the Ancient Persians left? Did you know that the langauge they used was Avestan which is an Iranian Languge and close to other Indo-European langueges.

"""I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan lineage"""

"From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"

Indians also call themselves Aryans.
Oh wait that is also fake and fabricated wright?

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

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Originally posted by SiskoDS9:
One more question for Mike.

Have you botherd to read the inscriptions that the Ancient Persians left? Did you know that the langauge they used was Avestan which is an Iranian Languge and close to other Indo-European langueges.

"""I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan lineage"""

"From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"

Indians also call themselves Aryans.
Oh wait that is also fake and fabricated wright?

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The ancient Persians wrote in Elamite. Aryan is not an ethnonyn. Aryan just means nobel.

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My mistake Avestan was the language of Zoroastrian scripture They only used Elamite in Susa and court. The Persian people themselves spoke Persian langauge, is still similar to the Persian langauge of today. The inscription that Darius the great left was in three langueges. Old Persian,Elamite,Babylonian.

And the scritps were in Old Persian Scripts. Yes the world Aryan means noble. But Iranains have been using it for thousands of years to identify themselves with. Even today the word Iran means "Land of Aryans" The word Eran appears in inscriptions during the Sassanids dynasty.

The Old Persian langauge is also and Indo-European langauge is similar to European langaues.

The Elamites were not in control of the empire. As can see from Darius inscripts.

"King Darius says: The following is what I did in the second and third year of my rule. The province called Elam revolted from me. An Elamite named Atamaita they made their leader. Then I sent an army unto Elam. A Persian named Gobriyas, my servant, I made their leader. Then Gobriyas set forth with the army; he delivered battle against the Elamites. The Gobriyas destroyed many of the host and that Atamaita, their leader, he captured, and he brought him unto me, and I killed him. Then the province became mine."

Also why did Herodotus never refer to Persians as Ethiopeans(Burnt face)? He used ot for Dravidians but not for Persians or Medes, the two brother tribes, and greeks hated Persians.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
Also this is how they portrayed the Ethiopean on the wall of gift bearers staircase at Persepolis



Again I will repeat this. The Persians/Medes were heavly influenced by Assyrians, hence the similar art work. They also used the same hair,facial style the Assyrian kings used,curled their hair. You can see under the helmets/hats that their hair was straight.
 

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Posted by SiskoDS9 (Member # 17496) on :
 
I've reuped the image above as the site did not allow hotlinking.


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by SiskoDS9:

Again I will repeat this. The Persians/Medes were heavly influenced by Assyrians, hence the similar art work. They also used the same hair,facial style the Assyrian kings used,curled their hair. You can see under the helmets/hats that their hair was straight.

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That is Soooo stupid, that the only thing to do with it, is to have a little fun.


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From the ancient PEOPLE magazine:

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The Modern Assyrian Man at Work:

Keeps himself busy expertly removing heads.




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AND Stylishly displaying them.




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The Modern Assyrian Man at Home:

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Relaxing and planning his next massacre, WHILE having his hair done.


 

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Posted by homeylu (Member # 4430) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:



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Relaxing and planning his next massacre, WHILE having his hair done.

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LMAO , You have to start warning people of what they will scroll down and see, now there's Pepsi all over my keyboard.

"...planning his next massacre" PRICELESS
 

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Posted by DwightGuy (Member # 17517) on :
 
Mike you are killing these Eurocentric ease up a little bit.
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 

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Originally posted by alTakruri:

I have nothing at stake in the "Persian Afro." I
couldn't give a damn if their hair was nappier than
a racoon's ass or straighter than a sow's pussy.

Like I said I used to think they had natural naps but
after the experience of viewing busts from the perspective
of directly
above the crowned head I now stand by the ends of the
hair being curled by artifice.

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Wow, looks like the original page 1 got axed.

Anyway, here's the pic I couldn't post back
then to support my above quoted statement.


 

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