...
EgyptSearch Forums Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» EgyptSearch Forums » Egyptology » Anok, Meti, and Pharaoh Neferkare

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Anok, Meti, and Pharaoh Neferkare
coleyk
Junior Member
Member # 17062

Member Rated:
5
Icon 1 posted      Profile for coleyk     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Recently I was watching a show, and yes, I realize on a show..that they may just be spouting info for entertainment, and it may have no factual backround at all. But this happens to be a show that is based on science and they usually get things right. But last night on the show..they found a mummy that had been stolen from a museum, the person who identifies remains classified the mummy as being from the 18th dynasty...he was named as being Anok..the boy with the bleeding heart, the story goes that he was beheaded because he and his brother were out riding horses, and Meti was next in line for the Kingdom, so Anok killed him by throwing him from his horse and then making his horse stomp on him..right in the heart. Meti died and Anok was accused of being his killer so they beheaded him. Now..there is a debate going on on the forum for this show on a few things:

1. this could not be the 18th dynasty as there is no one with the name of Anok or Meti in that dynasty era.

2. the father of the boys was listed to be Pharaoh Neferkare..there is no pharaoh of that name in the 18th dynasty..but there is in the 6th and 7th dynasties correct?

and last but not least..is there any story in egyptian history like this? or was this just for entertainment.
Any info you could give me would be appreciated.
Thanks

Posts: 1 | From: Woodstock Ga United States | Registered: Oct 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Djehuti
Member
Member # 6698

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Djehuti     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by coleyk:
...
1. this could not be the 18th dynasty as there is no one with the name of Anok or Meti in that dynasty era.

That depends. I know all the names of the 18th dynasty kings and while non of them bore any of those names can we be sure for minor princes or even noblemen, let alone individuals other ranks in the kingdom.

quote:
2. the father of the boys was listed to be Pharaoh Neferkare..there is no pharaoh of that name in the 18th dynasty..but there is in the 6th and 7th dynasties correct?
One problem with this assumption is that pharaohs from at least Middle Kingdom times used 5 names! A pharaoh would have his birth name as well as 4 other titles-- the throne name, the horus name, the golden horus name, and the Nebti name. For convenience, scholars just go by the birth name, but unless this 'Neferkare' is an actual translation of one of the other names(?)...

quote:
and last but not least..is there any story in egyptian history like this? or was this just for entertainment.
Any info you could give me would be appreciated.
Thanks

Well considering that pharonic history is over 3,000 years old, I don't think we should rule such an event out. But personally this is the first I've heard of this particular story, though I've heard of many more political intrigue stories of murder in pharaonic succession that such a story would not be unrealistic.
Posts: 22569 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Wally
Member
Member # 2936

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Wally   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
coleyk,

This is entertainment and could very well be of Ancient Egyptian origins...

a) The names are fanciful;
Anok means "I"
Meti means "righteous man"

b) Neferkare or "the excellent essence of Re" is most likely an NsuBiti name, but it could also be his SaRe name, or Hor name, or...

Don't sweat it for facts; the Ancient Egyptians had cartoons as well for their entertainment...

[Cool]

Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brada-Anansi
Member
Member # 16371

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Brada-Anansi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Anok means "I" Meti means "righteous man"
That's funny...because that sounds very Rastafarian
Eg I man righteous.. [Big Grin]

Posts: 6245 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Djehuti
Member
Member # 6698

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Djehuti     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wally:

coleyk,

This is entertainment and could very well be of Ancient Egyptian origins...

a) The names are fanciful;
Anok means "I"
Meti means "righteous man"

b) Neferkare or "the excellent essence of Re" is most likely an NsuBiti name, but it could also be his SaRe name, or Hor name, or...

Don't sweat it for facts; the Ancient Egyptians had cartoons as well for their entertainment...

[Cool]

Are you suggesting that not only was this story a fictional work, but one for entertainment purposes sort of like an ancient soap-opera??
Posts: 22569 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Wally
Member
Member # 2936

Member Rated:
4
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Wally   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:
Originally posted by Wally:

coleyk,

This is entertainment and could very well be of Ancient Egyptian origins...

a) The names are fanciful;
Anok means "I"
Meti means "righteous man"

b) Neferkare or "the excellent essence of Re" is most likely an NsuBiti name, but it could also be his SaRe name, or Hor name, or...

Don't sweat it for facts; the Ancient Egyptians had cartoons as well for their entertainment...

[Cool]

Are you suggesting that not only was this story a fictional work, but one for entertainment purposes sort of like an ancient soap-opera??
Prezactly...if it was originally Kememou... [Wink]
Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
madafaka
Junior Member
Member # 18217

Rate Member
Icon 9 posted      Profile for madafaka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i asked my history teacher about the story of anok and she said the he really existed in the 18th dinasty but i dont really think that his brother had the sickness and his mother put a preceus stone in his chest like in the show BONES
Posts: 1 | From: Macedonia | Registered: Oct 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Apocalypse
Member
Member # 8587

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Apocalypse     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlastnight/2009/10/bones-brennan-lets-her-geek-flag-fly.html
Posts: 1038 | From: Franklin Park, NJ | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Slytherin_Princess
Junior Member
Member # 19085

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Slytherin_Princess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Anok, the Boy with the Bleeding Heart. He was the second son of the Pharaoh, and according to legend, Anok's older brother, Meti, fell off his horse and Anok trampled him to death to ensure that he would ascend to the throne. Anok insisted that his brother's Injuries were the result of the fall, but the Pharaoh didn't believe him and he went into a rage and he cut off Anok's head. He became known as the Boy with the Bleeding Heart because his grief was two-fold. Grief for the death of his brother, and grief for the loss of his father's love. but it turns out Meti suffered from osteogenesis imperfecta, otherwise known as brittle bone disease. Meti's fall from his horse killed him; Anok was innocent.
Posts: 1 | From: USA | Registered: Jun 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Djehuti
Member
Member # 6698

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Djehuti     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^ What program or source does this come from?
Posts: 22569 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
KittyKatz
Junior Member
Member # 19645

Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for KittyKatz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
^ It was a tv show called Bones. I can't quite remember the name of the episode, though.
Posts: 1 | From: BN | Registered: Oct 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Whatbox
Member
Member # 10819

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Whatbox   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wally:
coleyk,

This is entertainment and could very well be of Ancient Egyptian origins...

a) The names are fanciful;
Anok means "I"
Meti means "righteous man"

b) Neferkare or "the excellent essence of Re" is most likely an NsuBiti name, but it could also be his SaRe name, or Hor name, or...

Don't sweat it for facts; the Ancient Egyptians had cartoons as well for their entertainment...

[Cool]

I read that the Ancient Egyptians (or their scribes) were big on word-play.

Like in the common title given to Ausar, and how it's doubted by Budge (who is the one who mentioned this) that folks knew or appeared to know the real etymology of the name Ausar as they would tend to resort to "childish plays upon words" whenever they attempted to find etymologies for the names of ntrw (deities).

He uses as two examples, the following:
  • "Your beauty (or goodness) maketh itself manifest in your person to rouse the gods to life in your name Un-Nefer"
  • "You come as the strength (wsr) of Ra in your name of Asar"
Word meanings:
  • un = to "make", "appear", or "make manifest",
    neferu here = "good things"
  • Second is like this also, Ausar's name being a throne either on an eye or before a disk and all (Ra's association with the sun, Khepera's eye, Heru's eye, the sky's eye).

Posts: 5555 | From: Tha 5th Dimension. | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | EgyptSearch!

(c) 2012 EgyptSearch.com

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3