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Egmond Codfried
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MY BLUE BLOOD IS BLACK BLOOD (1500-1789) THEORY RESTS ON THE REPORTS ABOUT BLACK'S IN EUROPE WHO WERE CALLED BLUE MEN. THEY WERE ALSO DEPICTED AS SUCH. THE HIGHEST NOBILITY, BLUE BLOOD, WERE MOST LIKELY DESCENDENTS OF THESE BLACKS, WHO REMAINED BLACK BY INTERMARRIAGE.
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Were there ever any Black Vikings?

There were trade routes between Northern Europe and Africa, India and China, so it is very likely that people from all over the world would have visited Scotland.
It is also likely that some Northern Europeans would have settled in other parts of the world and some people from Africa, India and other areas would have settled in Northern Europe. Direct evidence of this is rather hard to find, however.

There's a complication in translations of medieval records because a description of someone as "a black man" was used to mean someone with black hair, not black skin.
Norse sagas describe Africans as "Blaumenn" (blue men). There are stories of Blaumenn in Dublin and of someone called Kenneth of Niger in Scotland in the 10th Century.

http://www.lothene.demon.co.uk/faq.html#question11

In the middle ages Muslims were considered as bad or even worse than heathens, because they worshipped Muhammad, who was an Antichrist to Christians. There are not many episodes in Heimskringla that concern Muslims, or ‘blámenn’ as they are called in the sagas. King Sigurd Jorsalafar is said to have fought heathens in Spain on his way to Jerusalem. He plundered with his crew on the island of Formentera, where there was a ‘herr mikill heiðinna blámanna’. Sigurd’s men win the battle of course (Msona chs. V-VI). Heimskringla does not mention anything about Muslim beliefs, but obviously there was no need to clarify the evilness of the blámenn to the audience since the word ‘blár’ reveals that these men were very different from the heroic King Sigurd and his men. Even though blár means ‘blue,’ in this case it signifies ‘black.’ These ‘blue men’ lived in Spain or the south Mediterranean. ‘Blámenn’ refers not only to literally black men, but also to Arabs and Moors. The use of the term ‘blámenn’ indicates that the writer wanted to stress that they were of different ethnic origin than the Norse people. We should also remember, too, that in the fornaldarsögur the term ‘blámenn’ refers to earthly creatures of evil (e.g. ‘blámenn ok berserkir’ Lindow, 1995, 13-14). This ethnic implication was probably more important to the intended audience of the saga than any, rightly omitted, information about the religious beliefs of the blámenn.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/medieval.www/sagaconf/aalto.htm

Frances 488. Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:26 pm

I'm sure I read that black men were called 'blue men' by the Vikings. Also that some African tribes have no separate words for blue and green, as the differentiation is of no importance in their necessary world-view. However, they can readily recognise the difference when it's pointed out to them. The same as we don't have four hundred words for different aspects of camels, as I'm told Arabs do, only in reverse. If you see what I mean.

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In Magnúss sona saga (ch. 6) King Sigurd makes a journey to the Holy Land. On his way he fights with
the “heathen blámenn” on the Spanish Isles of Menorca and Ibiza. These socalled
“blue men” in the
saga are Moors. The word blár means here ‘black’ and blámenn referred to the inhabitants of Blálönd –
Black Lands, which was an undefined, faraway
geographical area in the minds of the learned medieval
Scandinavians. As the word itself reveals, it was the black skin that mattered. In the fornaldarsögur
blámenn were associated with forces of evil. Nevertheless, blámenn referred later not only to black men
but also to Moors and Saracens. So, here we have the thin line between the supernatural and ethnically
different enemies, which is by no means a deviating feature in the Heimskringla (or in other Old Norse
sources).22 As the giants of the Old Norse mythology became the Finnar in historical writings, so did
the blámenn of the fornaldarsögur become the enemies of Christianity: black men, Saracens, Moors. As
John Lindow has pointed out, it must have been difficult to draw a line between the supernatural and
the natural in these contexts. Lindow has also observed that what is striking about the description of
strangers and other groups in Nordic tradition are “how closely they resemble attributes of supernatural
Ennen ja nyt 4/2004 >>> http://www.ennenjanyt.net/404/
referee/aalto.pdf
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beings”.23 In fact, in the Middle Ages there hardly existed a division between the supernatural and the
natural. In people’s minds angels were as real as demons.
It is obvious that in the Middle Ages Icelanders and Norwegians must have had a faint understanding
of faroff
places that they knew only by name: Spain, Sicily, Jerusalem, Byzantium. But it seems that the
geographical distance had less importance than religion when regarding the “otherness” of people.
Namely, the Christian concept of the world was that it consisted of Christian peoples. Heathens and
heretics did not belong to their world: they were outside of Christendom. It seems that this Christian
worldview
is perceptible also in the Heimskringla, as strangers are those who stand outside the
Christian community. These outsiders are described as extremely different. “Otherness” based on
ethnic difference does not seem to play a major part in the Heimskringla. In the case of blámenn it is
obvious that skin colour that differed from the standard is one factor that makes them different, but I
would see the skin colour only as a feature that emphasises that blámenn were evil and enemies of
Christianity as were also the Wends. All in all, heathens in the Heimskringla seem to be strangers
without any category, which would mean that their degree of difference is digital.
The True root of Hoy
by Blue Man on 27.2.2004
Those mired in the constraints of the modern world, would be hard pressed to allow themselves to believe the truth of the origins of this sacred word- Hoi Hoy, which is most generally spelled Hoi, has a root far earlier than most understand. It has become a greeting associated with those who know the TRUTH of the origins of Man. Ahhh, he must be crazy you say?!. The Hoi greeting is most often traced to seafaring civilizations, who had significant contact with the mammals of the sea. The Hoi Hoi sound is that made by porpoises to communiate (greet) each other. Over time this sound was adopted by Vikings, Scotsman, Polynesians, Islanders, etc. as a Universal Greeting. When the legendary Blue Men (Hoi Gollokai) (Mermaid like creatures- with wizardlike powers of song, luck, art, and creativity)) due to their higher consciousness (like dolphins) left the oceans to return to land, thus beginning their interaction and intermingling with early humans (Cro Magnon). This eventual interbreeding led to lineages far more intelligent with a higher consciousness than existed before. These lineages can be traced to several ancient civilizations, most notably in Scotland and Ireland, where the Galukai came out of the brakish waters of the Lochs. Ancient Scottish castles on the Lochs (, bear some as yet unknown signifiance in this history. Mummified remains of these ancient sea creatures can be found in some museums. I have seen them. "The Luck O the Irish", has a basis in fact, for the redheaded descendants of the Golokai, who came from the sea, eventually mating with humans. If you analyze photography of bluemen, colors, similar to dolphins, and convert them to negatives you get bluegreen. Irish/Scottish redheads, seen in the negative (as in the sea), appear this exact color- bluemen. There also exists other strains of these breedings who came from the polynesian and island peoples. These peoples, some alive today, possibly with the surname Hoy or Hoi, possess qualities of lucidity, creativity, higher consciousness, sensitivity to sound, generally very musical, or artisitic, have a special affinity for the water, and seem to age slowly. Even the Hopi Indians of the SouthWest, who arose from remnants of the Mayans, who knew these secrets, have as one of their deities- The Red Beard LongHair. Shown as a Kachina- he is the spirit who brings the water and rain to the land. Sound farfetched ? I have done my research. New clues from the underwater lost city off the coast of Cuba that has been found, as well as pyramid anomolies in the OceanPacific due West of Oregon/California coast should prove interesting.... Stay tuned. Hoi Hoi has become the international greeting for those with the higher consciousness, yet who stay in the shadows. There may also be a link with sacred Orders such as the FreeMasons... who came from this Old World- New Order.... There are other very interesting parallels, that I don't have time to discuss, relating to a self-perpetuating semantic phenomenon. The The. strange and interesting comparisons to the mathematics of Fractal Chaos theory, and the iterations of equations that create a "Mandelbrot Set" formation... Truth is Stranger than Fiction !! Hoi Hoi !! Long live the Porpoise People ! P.S. The word porpoise comes from Porcus (Pig) + Piscis (Fish)= PigFish... mammal interbred with fish.... sounded with the oi sound that the dolphin makes. Ignorant humanoids descended from simians... enlightened Man descended from sea creatures that returned to the sea after having lived on land, and then rebred with existing mammalian humanoids... BELIEVE... Hoi Hoi !! Some believe in aliens from outer space.... but here on earth is the evidence of the truth from our own oceans !!!


Their little lecture concerning the relationship between grapheme and phoneme in the
Greek and Russian alphabets is hardly more trustworthy. Per says: “We must remember that
in both the Greek and Russian alphabets the letters “b” and “v” are identical, and so are “o”
and “u”…” (p. 137 our translation). Obviously, they have not understood that one letter can
symbolize different sounds in the same or related alphabets. The Russians and the modern
Greeks distinguish between b and v and between o and u in both speech and spelling; a fact
which the first lesson in any textbook on these languages would have revealed. Even when it
comes to Snorri’s own language, the two authors are surprisingly ignorant. When discussing
the meaning and location of Bláland (The Blue Land, i.e. the Land of the Blue Men) (pp. 29),
they fail to acknowledge that the adjective blár in Old Norse may also mean dark. Their
discussions around the meaning of the place-name Svitjod (Old Norse Svífljó›) also end in a
total shambles when they introduce a pseudo-Norse explanation which is grammatically
impossible (p. 30).

http://www.hf.uib.no/i/Nordisk/MaalogMi ... ahl-v1.pdf

Three key questions arise at this point: What did the very first Norse travelers to North America in fact call the people they met there, well over a century before Ari the Learned penned his history? Did the reference to "Skrælings" occur in the first version of Ari's work, the original of which no longer exists? And what was the word Skræling(j)ar intended to signify?18 18
As handed down through the pertinent medieval literature, the word Skræling(j)ar deliberately conveys small size as the chief characteristic of the native people the Norse met on their voyages farthest west. (From innumerable examples, we know that the names the medieval Norse gave to new people and places were based on what they considered a main characteristic.19) There is also fairly good scholarly agreement that in a literary context, Skræling(j)ar was used pejoratively to indicate puny physical stature—a quality disdained by the medieval Norse. While the word therefore suggests a possible etymological link to the modern Norwegian word skral, used about people or objects in poor condition,20 that linkage is not readily acceptable to linguistic scholars. However, the philologist Kari Ellen Gade proposes that if the word skræling(j)ar was coined orally shortly before its first-time written use in Ari's book, the commonly accepted rules for vowel changes and consonant doubling in Old Norse might not apply.21

19 Examples are the names Leif Eiriksson gave to the three main North American regions he found, and the term blámenn ("blue men") applied to the black people the Norse encountered in North Africa.

http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-b ... eaver.html


http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html


JSTOR: Royal Purple of Tyre- [ Vertaal deze pagina ]Negroids and some "Moors" were called "blue-men" in early Irish-Norse Chronicles.36 ..... Purple in the Middle Ages was used for sacred and royal purposes ...
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Etymology and definitions

BlueberriesThe modern English word blue comes from the Middle English, bleu or blwe, which came from an Old French word bleu of Germanic origin (Frankish or possibly Old High German blao, "shining"). Bleu replaced Old English blaw. The root of these variations was the Proto-Germanic blæwaz, which was also the root of the Old Norse word bla and the modern Icelandic blár, and the Scandinavian word blå, but it can refer to other colours. A Scots and Scottish English word for "blue-grey" is blae, from the Middle English bla ("dark blue," from the Old English blæd). Ancient Greek lacked a word for colour blue and Homer called the colour of the sea "wine dark", except that the word kyanos (cyan) was used for dark blue enamel.

As a curiosity, blue is thought to be cognate with blond, blank and black through the Germanic word. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus ("yellow"; see flavescent and flavine), with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white, blank) (loaned from Old Frankish), and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive (according to the American Heritage Dictionary) from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn", (more specifically the word bhle-was, which meant light coloured, blue, blond, or yellow), whence came the names of various bright colours, and that of colour black from a derivation meaning "burnt" (other words derived from the root *bhel- include bleach, bleak, blind, blink, blank, blush, blaze, flame, fulminate, flagrant and phlegm).

In the English language, blue may refer to the feeling of sadness. "He was feeling blue". This is because blue was related to rain, or storms, and in Greek mythology, the god Zeus would make rain when he was sad (crying), and a storm when he was angry. Kyanos was a name used in Ancient Greek to refer to dark blue tile (in English it means blue-green or cyan).[3] The phrase "feeling blue" is linked also to a custom among many old deepwater sailing ships. If the ship lost the captain or any of the officers during its voyage, she would fly blue flags and have a blue band painted along her entire hull when returning to home port. [4]

Many languages do not have separate terms for blue and or green, instead using a cover term for both (when the issue is discussed in linguistics, this cover term is sometimes called grue in English). Blue is commonly used on internet browsers to colour a link that has not been clicked; when a link has been clicked it changes yellow or orange or purple.

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Sources on Black Vikings

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=black+vikings&aq=f&aqi=p-p1g2g-v7&aql=&oq=

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Egmond, if you did not know already, has a wicked fettish for freaking out on renaissance (White) portraits, skeeting all over them and then writing up incoherent missives labelling the characters "Black."
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Examples of black diversity:

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These are sound sources, which put Blacks and coloureds right in place in Europe.
And they did not become white, jut like that.
They remained Black by intermarriage and became a noble elite in 1100-1200.

Typically these solid sources are summarily dismissed. ' Black means black hair.'

My ass!

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''Were there ever any Black Vikings?''
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Yes.

BLACK HAIRED ones. Not black africans though.

The 'black' or 'svart' Norse were Vikings with dark hair (as blonde + red hair was more common).

We have historical documentation of this, for example Thorfinn the Black -

The Orkneyinga Saga gives this description of Thorfinn:

He was unusually tall and strong, an ugly-looking man with a black head of hair.

Nothing to do with dark skin or negroes.

Afrocentrics have again made themselves look like retards.

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Norse epithets or bynames never related to skin colour (because all Norsemen were white) but instead usually hair colour. Thus for example 'Erik the RED'...

Erik was a redhead.

By the afrocentric nonsense that the hair colour epithets = skin colour, then what is RED SKIN?

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''Egmond, if you did not know already, has a wicked fettish for freaking out on renaissance (White) portraits, skeeting all over them and then writing up incoherent missives labelling the characters "Black."''
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He's a black immigrant living in a white european country (Holland). So out of insecurity he creates a pseudo-history to justify why he should stay there.

We have the same with afrocentrics in UK. Out of insecurity since they know blacks are immigrants who only arrived in the last half of the 20th century they construct a fantasy where there were dark skinned picts or scots with afros over 2000 years ago. Its laughable.

Also note Egmonds posts always involve a story of miscegenation where these fictional blacks 'intermarried'. This stems with his obsession with white woman, like most black males. It's his self-hatred, he clearly wants to be white hence his obsession with white woman and white history.

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Who, me?

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A self hating, Jane Austen stealing Black?

Really?

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Longing to be with a white woman, better becoming a white woman, no?

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Why did they deface this image?

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-- Post what 'evidence' you have there were blacks in UK in medieval times.

As far as recorded history is concerned the first written document of a negro in UK dates to the 17th century AD. Only in mass numbers however did they arrive in UK from post-1950 after the collapse of the British Empire.

Your people have no history or roots to our Isles. You are immigrants.

Prior to blacks and asians flooding the UK from 1950, UK was 99.999% white.

The indigenous native Britons are the white-British - a fact the goverment and every British historian, scientist etc accepts.

Time to get in reality...

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While I do not agree with Mr. Codfried's theory (no offense Mr. Codfried), to say there were no Black People at all in medieval times is UNTruth.

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Cover illustration: A Black Norman knight, with his lady. From the Heraldic Collection of Sir Thomas Wriothesley, Garter King-of-Arms, 1504-1534

Ancient and Modern Britons Vols I & II, by David MacRitchie (a 'white' man), first published in London in 1884, was hardly written with an agenda....


I am sure at least one of the resident Stormfront refugees may remember they had a discussion about it....lolol..

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Has anyone read this book by David MacRitchie? He was a 19th century Scottish historian who believed that the original inhabitants of the British Isles were black (or more specifically Australoids), and that many Britons, particularly the Scots, are the result of the mixing of these people with whites. He draws a distinction between the two different racial types in Britian: the Xanthochroi, or fair whites, and the Melanochroi, or dark whites, the latter being the result of race-mixing. He also believed that the Moors (who he was convinced were black) had a great genetic impact on the Isles. The book incuds pictures of British family crests with figures that have definite negroid features. Really weird stuff. I haven't had a chance to read the book yet (I read a pretty long review of it), but if it's at one of the local libraries I'll definitely borrow it. Reallly weird stuff.

Here's a picture of the cover I found at amazon.com which features a picture of a "black norman knight and his lady". Check out those lips. Weird, weird stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=1#reader-link

YEAH MAN REALLY WEIRD STUFF [Big Grin]
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The Stuarts were Scottish.
Yes, this book is mentioned in these sources.

http://textandcandy.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/imag0172.jpg

Black Scotsman

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''Has anyone read this book by David MacRitchie? He was a 19th century Scottish historian who believed that the original inhabitants of the British Isles were black (or more specifically Australoids), and that many Britons, particularly the Scots, are the result of the mixing of these people with whites.''
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And yet he never did.

Macritchie wrote that the indigenous Picts were dark skinned LAPPS, not australoids or negroids.

Afrocentrics have misinterpreted his writings.

I had to track down several old issues of the celtic review to clarify Macritichies position. He never wrote the native Britons were blacks, as i said only lapps.

Please see the wikipedia page i updated -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_MacRitchie

See especially criticism section.

Also note Macritchie got most of his ideas from the folklorist John Francis Campbell, they were never original. His only original theory was his gypsy claims e.g. gypsies in UK over 2000 years ago.

Can black people read? It seems all they do is twist or misinterpet what people say. I;m sure Macritchie if he was alive today would be disgusted by the fact blacks have altered his theory on lapps to negroids.

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quote:
Please see the wikipedia page i updated -

those are the two key words right there...lolololololololololol and why wikipedia can't really be taken seriously as an objective authority on anything.... [Roll Eyes]

I am pretty sure I can read just fine...I had a college reading level by the time I hit the 6th grade...so, ya know... [Wink]


AFTER, and not before, you read both volumes in their entirety, can you really give any form of any opinion about anything re; the book's contents. Once you've read the books in their entirety yourSelf, I'll be happy to reason the contents with you in a civil manner....

Have a nice day. [Smile]

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I own two original prints of Macritchies books (look at the quotes i cited from, they are quotes i typed out from his original prints).

None of Macritchies works contain any mention of blacks or africa. I think only one contained a photo of Moor symbolism. His Pict theory identified the Picts were Lapps or Sami people from Finland and Russia.

I'm not sure how Afrocentrics got hold of Macritchie, but his writings have absolutely nothing to do with blacks. I don't see the afrocentric interest unless afrocentrics now believe lapps and finnish people are negroid?

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photos of lapps -

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Nothing black or negro about them.

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quote:
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Why did they deface this image?

Maybe something to do with silver gilt tarnising and turning black on the helmets and swords?

Tarnished silver goes black. Surely everyone knows that?

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quote:
Tarnished silver goes black. Surely everyone knows that?

***screwing up mi face***

Part of my chores growing up was cleaning my mother's antique silver when it tarnished...she had nuff of it, and that was one chore I absolutely hated to do [Frown]

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Tarnished silver goes black. Surely everyone knows that?

***screwing up mi face***

Part of my chores growing up was cleaning my mother's antique silver when it tarnished...she had nuff of it, and that was one chore I absolutely hated to do [Frown]

I'm happy to see this thread is getting serious treatment.

I read of a wall hanging where silver thread was used to fashion the face of Balthasar, the Black king in Adoration scenes. And the writer assumed that the makers did not know the silver would tarnish. While I see they used the silver for its tarnishing properties, so the face would become black.

Some people are really stupid and primitive, and they are going to explain history to us! They are ignorant trash, yet they are going to tell us about civilisation!

T&R, do you know of any researcher who went in Ritchies footsteps, did some follow up, considering he has been dead for some time.

I follow Rogers; who identified Black European Royaly, and Snowden: who described blacks in Medditerrain Europe (800BC-330AD)

The problem is how to define Blacks. With Eurocentrics and Blacks who kiss their asses its always about biometry. I could not define myself as Black, but have to have some trash come in and measure my skull. This approach is ideological racist, mostly because it believes in human races, and want to portray Blacks as different as possible from whites: like they are not really human.

My approach is to look for a Black identity, Black self identity. This is how I discovered Jane austen to be Black, next to her descriptions as rich brown of complexion, and the portrait which show prognathism.

I like Blacks to make progress and I want to see new research, not constantly clutching the canon, which were revolutionary in their time, and perhaps controversial, but blacks are getting ahead, travel, get educated. They crave new insights.

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We have proved over and over there were Blacks and and an obsession with Blacks, which we now can lable as Black Superiority. Even if you were not Black you showed allegiance to blackness and Black Superiority by wearing images of Moors.

Because these terrible people say things as There were no Blacks, and try to ridicule our research, coming upon us with a occupation army called lioness, we know that the hatred against Blacks has to do with these Black nobles and Kings.

They always attack my person as a way of explaining away the Black Kings, which is an interesting methodology.

Cause and effect. This all out hatred against us, the existence of HOUSENIGGERS on this forum, shows something big happened, for whites to hate Blacks so much, and this hatred surviving over many centuries. Cause and effect.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-real-vikings-pictures/

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-real-vikings

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Markie boy Markie boy Markie boy. My surname is Moore and I most definitely am NOT Black. You guys need to come up with something better LOL ROTFLMBO.
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Also unlike you guys I can prove my statement LOL.
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quote:
Originally posted by DHDoxies:
...My surname is Moore and I most definitely am NOT Black. You guys need to come up with something better LOL ROTFLMBO.

You are a fake ass then....

There are lots like you around. Nothing new. [Big Grin]

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Explain your statement IronLiar. Fake how?
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If you are albino, you cannot be Muurish!

Your former owner might have been Muur, hence your last night.

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As I said IronLiar, I can prove that my last name is in fact Moore.
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As I said IronLiar, I can prove that my last name is in fact Moore.

But Duncie, that does not make you from albino to Muurish.

The frock does not a priest make..... [Razz]

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Hey you racist White people haters are the ones who claim that everyone with the surname Moore coming from Scotland with a Negro head on their family crest is of Moorish descent not me ROTFLMWBO.
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quote:
Originally posted by DHDoxies:
Hey you racist White people haters are the ones who claim that everyone with the surname Moore coming from Scotland with a Negro head on their family crest is of Moorish descent not me ROTFLMWBO.

Uneducated pink ass.

There were black Scots and red scots.

The black scots were Muurs. Family names such as Dubh, Dugall, Douglass, indicate a Muurish descent.

You already told us you were not albino, but some Indian mixed with Blacks, and some touch of German, Italian and Scottish blood.

You are a mongrel, not a moor! [Roll Eyes]

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