quote:Originally posted by Hammer: Doug, How about soem picture of the real hero, Columbus himself. this is a truly great man, one of the greatest in world history.
The Body count:
In the Americas, the lack of Native American metal artifacts is due to the fact that the spanish melted down and carried away, everything that they could find. After all the booty had been taken, the Spanish turned to farming and mining to generate wealth. The Indians were then enslaved to work the farms and mines. Killing, slavery and disease, wiped out most of the population.
Here are some interesting numbers.
At the time of Columbus’s landing in the America’s in 1492, the population of the Hemisphere was approximately 100 million people.
Six million (6) in the Caribbean, ten million (10) in the United States and Canada, forty million (40) in Mexico and Central America, forty four (44) million in South America.
By 1650 the Indian population of the Caribbean, Mexico-Central America and South America, was approximately fifteen (15) million people total.
Today the Amerindian population of the Caribbean is all but extinct.
By 1906 the Indian population of the United States and Canada was one (1) million people.
Systematic killing, Slavery and decease having killed almost nine (9) of every ten (10) people.
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First of all. Thank you. Thank you very much for this bonanza.
These are some of my favorites. The first because not only does she look black enough but because she has a fishing basket such as the kind found in Africa:
Volume 2 Pima/Mohave/Papago/Yuma/Qahatika and others:
Also Volume 2 Pima/Mohave/Papago/Yuma/Qahatika and others:
And this:
More from volume 7 Piegan/Cheyenne:
I somewhat agree: not white, not black, not Mongul. But, I believe the reason you took the time to upload all those pictures is because the full facial features in the majority look black. Minus the hair and if woolly, most would pass for black.
Why the straight hair? Someone once pointed out that human hair started straight and became woolly so maybe they came from those who'd be African (addition of woolly hair) before the hair became woolly? But, I doubt it.
These pictures were taken and are uniform showing a great knowledge of where Indians were to be found and the photographer was influential / powerful enough to get them all to conform to a certain pose. In other words, they had been politically subdued long before.
And long enough for the genes of the incoming white males to mix with the native population (a few hundred years) and affect/change hair-type as happens in a single generation when you mix black and white.
And the venerable Christopher Columbus on canvass from the brush of someone dubious of his nobility and seeing a coarser nature in the man who got lost coming here and discovered his way back home:
Interesting that in the Columbus picture, the painter did see the original Indians as woolly-haired in some instance and not woolly but not straight hair in others.
Again. I can't thank you enough for this find and posting. They sure don't fit your stereotype of the Mongol Indians of the cowboy and Indian pictures yelping out war cries. Rather, a serious people with an advanced society materially and spiritually.
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Oh yes lets all make victims out of the Indians as well. These poeple we nothing like african slaves. They actually fought bravely for their way of life to the end and should be admired for that. Not everyone in history wins but it does not mean they are not respected.
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The native Americans have a range of features and complexions and this is no different than any other native population on the planet prior to European contact. The dark skins and features are PURELY aboriginal in nature and reflect the migrations of the SAME TYPE of aboriginal populations that originally populated Asia and the pacific, which includes India and Australia. In other words, they reflect the diversity found throughout the planet which stems from ancient migrations out of Africa of aboriginal peoples. Therefore you should not be surprised to find features similar to Indians, Asians, Pacific Islanders and even African Americans. This is the "family tree" but white folks don't believe in that and that is why they spend so much time making up fake history to distort the truth. And contrary to popular myth, the Native Americans were called Indians because that is who the Europeans thought they looked like, even if they weren't in India.
More from volume 2: Papago/Havasupai/Mohave/Maricopa/etc
quote:Originally posted by Hammer: Oh yes lets all make victims out of the Indians as well. These poeple we nothing like african slaves. They actually fought bravely for their way of life to the end and should be admired for that. Not everyone in history wins but it does not mean they are not respected.
Doug M - I would like to respond to hammer, but there are too many pictures for us to follow posts and reply's. Could you start a new thread with only a few pictures please.
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quote: Once Europeans arrived as colonialists in North America, the nature of Indian slavery changed abruptly and dramatically. Indians found that British settlers, especially those in the southern colonies, eagerly purchased or captured Indians to use as forced labor in cultivating tobacco, rice, and indigo. More and more, Indians began selling war captives to whites rather than integrating them into their own societies. And as the demand for labor in the West Indies became insatiable, whites began to actively enslave Indians for export to the so-called "sugar islands."
The resulting Indian slave trade devastated the southeastern Indian populations and transformed Native American tribal relations throughout the region. The English at Charles Town, the Spanish in Florida, and the French in Louisiana sought trading partners and allies among the Indians, offering trading goods such as metal knives and axes, firearms and ammunition, intoxicants and beads, and cloth and hats in exchange for furs (deerskins) and Indian slaves captured from other tribes. Unscrupulous traders, frontier settlers, and government officials encouraged Indians to make war on other tribes to reap the profits from the slaves captured in such raids or to weaken the warring tribes.
It is not known how many Indians were enslaved by the Europeans, but they certainly numbered in the tens of thousands. It is estimated that Carolina merchants operating out of Charles Town shipped an estimated 30,000 to 50,000 Indian captives between 1670 and 1715 in a profitable slave trade with the Caribbean, Spanish Hispaniola, and northern colonies. Because of the higher transportation costs of bringing blacks from Africa, whites in the northern colonies sometimes preferred Indian slaves, especially Indian women and children, to blacks. Carolina actually exported as many or even more Indian slaves than it imported enslaved Africans prior to 1720. The usual exchange rate of captive Indians for enslaved Africans was two or three Indians to one African.
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This Hammer character is a joke. You can tell that he either was the type that failed to graduate or had severe difficulties in school and struggled. Thus he has to resort to dogma about race because he has difficulties reading or is frustrated that he cannot grasp the concept of scholarship.
If a person is of reasonable functional intellect he would not have made a statement that was so easily refuted and makes him look simple minded and without even the most rudementary of knowledge. Just a basic internet search would have avoided him of having to suffer yet another scholarly beatdown.
Its quite obvious that the more of a loser a person is, the more that he will resort to dunce class racial dogma in place of a psychiatrists couch as therapy. No matter how imbecillic and unfactual.
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What the f!ck does this have to do with ancient Egypt other than to give some idiot an excuse to photo spam?
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The first nation peoples from Western Canada have many traits and custom only found elsewhere in the Pacific Isles and Asia. Elaborately carved houses and poles are one.
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quote: A potlatch is a festival ceremony practiced by Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast in North America, along Pacific Northwest coast of the United States and the Canadian province of British Columbia. This includes Haida, Nuxalk, Tlingit, Tsimshian, Nuu-chah-nulth, Kwakwaka'wakw, and Coast Salish cultures. The word comes from the Chinook Jargon, meaning "to give away" or "a gift". It is a vital part of indigenous cultures of the Pacific Northwest. It went through a history of rigorous ban by both the Canadian and United States' federal governments, and has been the study of many anthropologists. .... See Also: [b] * Koha, a similar concept among the Māori * Kula ring, a similar concept in the Trobriand Islands (Oceania) * Moka, another similar concept in Papua New Guinea * Sepik Coast exchange, yet another similar concept in Papua New Guinea * Guy Debord, French Situationist writer on the subject of potlatch and commodity reification. * Gift economy * Potluck (Folk etymology has derived the term "potluck" from the Native American custom of potlatch) * Pow wow a gathering whose name is derived from the Narragansett word for "spiritual leader".
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