^^ this is mainly the kind of thing that Parabon labs does, analyze DNA and they compare it to DNA databases and come up with a picture profile for criminal investigations maybe just with some very small bit of DNA that may have been recovered from a crime scene or other sources. So that image above usually doesn't have the person's photo. They are just showing the photo there for comparison. You can get this computer created estimation based solely on DNA of what somebody may look like before you ever find out who they are or see a photo of them
There was a thread on this before but I wanted to revisit it because it didn't hit me the first time that these were the full genome mummies form Abusir el-Meleq but also I consolidated Parbon labs PDF with the above image which is like a summary of the data and I also included the mtDNA
but this whole thing, starting with the Parabon 2021 press release it's another re-hash of the same overly general conclusion but based on these late period mummies back in 2017
Newsweek
excerpts
Faces of Three Ancient Egyptians Brought to Life Using 2,000-Year-Old DNA BY REBECCA FLOOD ON 9/16/21
"Their complexions were thought to be light brown, with dark hair and eyes and no freckles. A press release from Parabon went into detail, saying: "These results are highly consistent with Schuenemann et al's conclusions that 'ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times' and that they had an allele for lighter skin."
Raw data was obtained from the three ancient Egyptian mummies, available in the European Nucleotide Archive (ENA), before they were sequenced and "aligned to the human reference genome." Enzymatic damage repair was performed on each sample.
Following the "imputation" stage, Parabon applied its "Snapshot DNA Phenotyping pipeline" to the three ancient mummy samples. Snapshot, designed to cope with missing data in challenging forensic samples, then "predicted each mummy's ancestry, pigmentation, and face morphology." The three-dimensional "face morphology" revealed the men's front and side profiles, as well as a facial heat map.
Dr. Ellen Greytak, Parabon's director of bioinformatics, said: "It's great to see how genome sequencing and advanced bioinformatics can be applied to ancient DNA samples.
"Just like in Parabon's law enforcement casework, these techniques are revolutionizing ancient DNA analysis because they operate on fragmented DNA and have been shown to be sensitive down to only 10 picograms of DNA." _____________________
^^ Maybe somebody knows more about this European Nucleotide Archive (ENA)
My question is does that mean they were making these reconstructions based on some kind of limited European database ? I don't know
I also notice the Parabon labs PDF poster (linked above and in the graphic with the 3 face above also)
says: _____________________ They were found to be Jewish individuals from Yemen, Morocco, and Tunisia, respectively. Principal component analysis (PCA) within the modern Middle East and Y-haplogroup determination were also performed. Together, these analyses point to a non-sub-Saharan African origin for these ancient Egyptians, as was also found by Schuenemann et al. (2017). _______________
^ They were found to be Jewish individuals, that is a funny way of putting it as if they practiced Judaism at the time and it's determined by the DNA Above in the graphic we also see that two of them carried haplogroup J and the other one E1b.
When the mainstream media got a hold of the story they could have played up a Jewish angle "Egyptian Mummies Reconstruction, Jewish DNA" but I didn't see this in articles. Either they considered doing that and decided not to or they never saw that because that was not mentioned in the Parabon labs press release, it's only in their PDF poster.
None of the 3 have the same mtDNA but the E1b individual's mtDNA is U6 and this combination on this individual resembles much older ancient Taforalt remains of Morocco as well as ancient remain at an Anatolian site
Abusir JK2888 (center face in above 3 face graphic) E1b1b1a1b2 U6a2
The apparent movement of E-M78 lineages from the Near East to Europe, and their subsequent rapid expansion, make its E-V13 subclade a particularly interesting subject for speculation about ancient human migrations.The predecessor to EV13 E1B1B1A1B1 was found and Radio Carbon Dated about 11,900 B.C. at the Grotte des Pigeons near Tarofalt in Eastern Morocco where its parent Clade E-M78 was found.
It was concluded that northeastern Africa, rather than eastern Africa, was where the E-M78 chromosomes began dispersing to other regions.[34] The most plausible scenario is that E-V13 originated in Western Asia.[35] A hypothesis is that E-M78 carriers devoid of V13 mutation left Africa and that the coalescence occurred later in the Near East/Anatolia.[35] Data suggests that Western Asian carriers of V13 expanded in Europe at earliest 5300 years ago.[35] The TMRCA of European V13 is 4700–4000 years ago.[35] Phylogenetic analysis suggest that the European v13 spread through Europe from the Balkans in a "rapid demographic expansion".[35]
Before then, the SNP mutation, V13 apparently first arose in West Asia around 10 thousand years ago, and although not widespread there, it is for example found in high levels (>10% of the male population) in Turkish Cypriot and Druze Arab lineages.[2] The Druze are considered a genetically isolated community, and are therefore of particular interest.
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To me a lot of these reconstructions are used to sell magazines, printed and online This one come out of a Forensics company which is selling it's analysis to crime investigators and being that they are using new technology mainstream news sources get and easy story out of this.
I would be curious to see this company's methods tested by a third party. Give them some DNA of living people, say 10 of them , half male, half female and maybe a couple are kids and another couple elderly Then after they produce their computer generated faces but having had no access to photos of the people then bring out the real photos to see how close they got.
What is it is very close? That's kind of scary. There could be future privacy issues
I don't have a big problem the reconstructions themselves of these 3 faces (although I was wondering about the data comparisons) but I think in the press release and articles they should have left the overly broad conclusions about "the Ancient Egyptians" taken from Schuenemann 2017 article the out of this, just process the data
And the headline of it when it got to Live Science "3 Egyptian mummy faces revealed in stunning reconstruction" or Newsweek " Faces of Three Ancient Egyptians Brought to Life Using 2,000-Year-Old DNA"
should have said something like "Late period Egyptian Mummy Reconstructions Created by DNA analysis"
It's yet to be determined how accurate this methodology is and also these are late period, not the heyday of Egypt
Also while Newsweek has the detail Livescince said
"The mummies came from Abusir el-Meleq, an ancient Egyptian city on a floodplain to the south of Cairo, and they were buried between 1380 B.C. and A.D. 425. "
Yet this reconstruction for 3 faces is not that whole range of the original studies 90 mummies, the oldest of these 3 faces is derived from mummy JK2134, dated 776-569
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
What a coincidence that these "foreigners" from Abusir ended up looking similar to modern egyptians and being genetically similar to them.
What a coincidence that these "foreigners" ended up being similar to each other despite the centuries separating them from each other :
"We find that all three ancient Egyptian groups cluster together (Fig. 3b), supporting genetic continuity across our 1,300-year transect."
"Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level. "
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Antalas: What a coincidence that these "foreigners" from Abusir ended up looking similar to modern egyptians and being genetically similar to them.
What a coincidence that these "foreigners" ended up being similar to each other despite the centuries separating them from each other :
"We find that all three ancient Egyptian groups cluster together (Fig. 3b), supporting genetic continuity across our 1,300-year transect."
"Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level. "
"Looking similar" doesn't mean "are similar genetically" in many cases
2 of the 3 of these late period full genome Abusir el-Meleq mummies were of the YDNA haplogroup J
we do not know yet if dynastic Egyptians from periods older than the late period were of haplogroup J
In studies of modern Egyptians, frequency of haplogroup J is around 30% (majority E1b1b1)
YDNA for the rest of the 90 mummies was not analyzed but their mtDNA had many different haplogroups, not very homogenous on the female side
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
This is funny. You can't reconstruction anyone based solely on genetic data. LOL
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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: This is funny. You can't reconstruction anyone based solely on genetic data. LOL
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^^ this is an illustration made by computer based on DNA below are examples of the same but also show an actual photo added on top after they identified the person and obtained a photo of the actual person Normally that computer image is made because you don't have a photo The below are just samples to show how close or not close it was to the person after the reconstruction
^^ these are some of the better ones
but look at many more here, some better than others >>
Also consider their weight may or may not be known in a criminal investigation and the DNA doesn't reflect that or styling of hair and facial hair, glasses situation at a given moment (but they also have further options where they create those variations also, a sequence of faces on one person)
Look at the tabs on the website for more information
I'm not exactly sure how they develop the reconstruction but they have a database with a lot of photos of people with the same haplogroups and they could make a composite face If the have family members photos or a certain group of suspects photos that could also narrow things down
As time goes on they collect more and more data on people, photos matched with DNA This they use to reconstruct a face in investigation where they recovered DNA only
There are different levels to this. One is the typing, distinguishing by their ancestry location such as "Western European" , "Central East Asian (Chinese)" "African Admixed"
then indication of skin color eye color hair color
I'm not sure how accurately they can predict these traits but they present it like they can, they show percentages. Is it possible for example, from a DNA sample alone to predict accurately a particular skin color on a scale, with a precise percentage within a light to dark range as they do here?
The next level of the result is how close it might be to the exact likeness if a person they are searching for For anthropology purposes that might not be so important but it could be very important in a criminal investigation, victim identification or missing person
So if you look at these photos consider the perspective, how they would be used or to determine a type only or identify a particular individual closely or not
I suspect some of their DNA datatbase may not have a lot of samples of certain parts of the world except when some of them have become immigrants to the U.S.
Posted by Big O (Member # 23467) on :
Troll says
^^ "Also consider their weight may or may not be known in a criminal investigation and the DNA doesn't reflect that or hair and facial hair, glasses situation
Look at the tabs on the website for more information
I'm not exactly sure how they develop the reconstruction but they have a database with a lot of photos of people with the same haplogroups and they could make a composite face"
Wytes NEVER STOP with the bullshyt lol smh. It is absolutely perpetual with them! Thanks for confirming that these "new" reconstructions are all wyte fantasized bullshyt. What a joke!
This sounds like the DNA ancestry edition of the current Thernaos scandal. The genetic material in ITSELF is not giving them that information. When it comes to modern people they're easy guesses to label the race, but as far as the facial and body reconstruction (cheek bones, nose, limb proportions etc) it is a pipe dream. With no skeletal data it's all absolute nonsense.
No wonder the Khamites ranked the Typhonians consistently last in terms of morality.
Wytes NEVER STOP with the bullshyt lol smh. It is absolutely perpetual with them! Thanks for confirming that these "new" reconstructions are all wyte fantasized bullshyt. What a joke!