I don't know the original source of this photo, it's on a Reddit post. It doesn't appear to be doctored but it could be. The lighting is brighter than in other photos
Now flipped and cropped, same Getty photo as previous This one is not a match to the lighter first one. It was probably taken inside the tomb in semi-dim lighting. You can see no strand detail in the hair and comparing closely see many differences in the arrangement of the hair compared to that lighter photo. You can see a reflection indicating it was taken through the glass covering the coffin The lighter photo has a lot more fine detail in the skin and hair. You can't get that just by brightening a photo artificially in post editing.
At this point in time I have seen no evidence that that lighter photo, the first one after the sculpture is inauthentic but I can't source the photo. If the reddish color is accurate it could be due to henna coloring or be a natural color maybe someone has some more info on this mummy
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First off all, why are you shocked the Reddit image is lighter? That was to be expected from that site.
According to many the mummy is at the Cairo Museum. I never had time to go see the mummies, so I can't tell for certain if it's there or not.
And none of us can tell if any of the mummies they have shown are authentic.
What I've noticed is that during the early days of "Egyptology" they use to find "things" that have "a lot" in common with Europeans. Doesn't mean they are, but that is what I've noticed.
She was very Zeinab Badawi like:
In this tomb Anen, remnants of the mural and her arm is showing. The color complexion is clear and it's similar to that of Zeinab Badawi.
Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye Enthroned Beneath a Kiosk, Tomb of Anen
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: First off all, why are you shocked the Reddit image is lighter? That was to be expected from that site.
According to many the mummy is at the Cairo Museum. I never had time to go see the mummies, so I can't tell for certain if it's there or not.
And none of us can tell if any of the mummies they have shown are authentic.
What I've noticed is that during the early days of "Egyptology" they use to find "things" that have "a lot" in common with Europeans. Doesn't mean they are, but that is what I've noticed.
She was very Zeinab Badawi like:
In this tomb Anen, remnants of the mural and her arm is showing. The color complexion is clear and it's similar to that of Zeinab Badawi.
Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye Enthroned Beneath a Kiosk, Tomb of Anen
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: What I've noticed is that during the early days of "Egyptology" they use to find "things" that have "a lot" in common with Europeans. Doesn't mean they are, but that is what I've noticed.
Such as what exactly?? I don't see anything of ancient Egypt that is in common with Europeans. Unless you mean anthropometric features. If that's the case then Europeans found in East Africans a lot in common with them also!
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She was very Zeinab Badawi like:
As well as this other Beja woman.
quote:In this tomb Anen, remnants of the mural and her arm is showing. The color complexion is clear and it's similar to that of Zeinab Badawi.
Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye Enthroned Beneath a Kiosk, Tomb of Anen
And not only her skin color but her features as well are typical of northeast African women.
"The Elder Lady", First identified as Queen Tiye The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism.
But the main point is how is it people can make conclusions about how a mummy looked in life when the mummy is literally millennia old jerky. It doesn't matter how light or dark the mummy is, it does not reflect how the person looked in life!
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I don't know the original source of this photo, it's on a Reddit post. It doesn't appear to be doctored but it could be. The lighting is brighter than in other photos
this topic is not about skin tone It is about this photo, if authentic, appears to be taken under brighter lighting conditions and it is revealing a reddish brown tone in the hair. I had not noticed this before or heard it mentioned. So I'm wondering if that photo is authentic or has color editing . If anyone can find the original source or another photo exactly the same but with different hair coloration it could resolve this. I don't care about the skin tone on the mummy because there is a lot more decay and changes there and it is not reliable to predict the skin tone while she was living. I assume she was brown skinned. The hair in the photo has high detail resolution. You can see the strands in many places. The color could be easily changed in photo editing or it could be that color. Maybe somebody can find the source of this photo. I see it on Reddit and Tumbler only so far.
I don't know the original source of this photo, it's on a Reddit post. It doesn't appear to be doctored but it could be. The lighting is brighter than in other photos
I also showed a similar photo on Getty that we can see is not the exact same photo>
This is the same photo. It's darker but at the same time blurrier, the resolution is not as good. In fine print at the end of the caption it says CORBIS and Getty handles the Corbis photos now
I only see the the earlier photo which was not an exact match, not this one which is an exact match I typed "Tiye" and also "18th mummy" I don't see this photo
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I don't know the original source of this photo, it's on a Reddit post. It doesn't appear to be doctored but it could be. The lighting is brighter than in other photos
^ It says PBS but I haven't been able to find a pbs version. One the one hand in the top photo you don't see the wrinkles in the cloth behind the mummy which looks like brightness was added in a photo editing. On et other hand in the lower photo the cloth around the mummy in the front is bluish and doesn't match the cloth in the back. That color looks a little suspect but I'm not sure what the actual colors of that cloth is. The color in the photo may have enhanced saturation.
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I use photoshop. The top photo looks brightened. The bottom photo looks over-saturated to me. I think they may have both been edited in different ways but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if this color is from the original photo or due to saturation enhancement. Theoretically a shiny fabric could refract light like that but we can't tell from a picture alone what type of fabric that is or if this effect is from a photo editing enhancement. It looks a bit odd to me
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you posted the facsimile illustration by Nina de Garis Davies, yet the second link has the actual tomb photo.
So what if it's from the conservation of a tomb?
This one is in restoration, so what is your point?
Whole view of completed rekhyt scene with Lyla Pinch Brock for human scale Photo: Francis Dzikowski
Is the Nina de Garis Davies inaccurate because it's on tempera on paper and has a dark skinned color complexion. Is that what you are saying? If so, show the accurate one. The added text says: "A scene from the wall painting of the tomb of Anen".
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Has nothing to do with the mummy though
It has to do with how the people looked at Queen Tiye. And it's just as relevant as the Queen Tiye head you showed. Both show the same color complexion.
Relief Fragment representing Queen Tiye Tiye (c. 1398 BC – 1338 BC.)
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I use photoshop. The top photo looks brightened. The bottom photo looks over-saturated to me. I think they may have both been edited in different ways but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if this color is from the original photo or due to saturation enhancement. Theoretically a shiny fabric could refract light like that but we can't tell from a picture alone what type of fabric that is or if this effect is from a photo editing enhancement. It looks a bit odd to me
This is babbling in circles and goes nowhere, because none of us has seen it up-close in person.
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quote:Originally posted by ZULU X: The saturation is so HIGH the sheet in the background is like a floodlight. The sheet has disappeared. The image is HOT with oversaturation.
I do graphic design. Trust me I know.
I have explained this also in the past to Lioness, when I was active in photography.
I explained the exposure and ISO light. I just want to let you know, so you will not be waisting your time by engaging talking in circles, thinking you going so where with this.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: I have explained this also in the past to Lioness, when I was active in photography.
I explained the exposure and ISO light. I just want to let you know, so you will not be waisting your time by engaging talking in circles, thinking you going so where with this.
It's quite obvious if you ask me. In the image below I ramped up the saturation and brightness (among other things) to turn the President of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa, into his puppetmaster, the billionaire Johann Rupert (the real President of South Africa):
(gonna figure out how to make the images smaller...give me a minute)
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The image you are using is a 1104 × 1338 frame. That way to big. Max for this platform is 800 x 800. But the best frame/ resolution is 500 x 500.
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The image you are using is a 1104 × 1338 frame. That way to big. Max for this platform is 800 x 800. But the best frame/ resolution is 500 x 500.
If I copy and paste the image URL directly from the site how do I reduce it?
Never mind, I'll figure it out.
first see if the image host has an size options. If the picture is in an article click on it twice to see if it changes to a new window. Hit the Ctrl button and - (minus sign - or plus +) to change size
type "snip" in the windows search and select the snipping tool, hit new. click and drag to select a box and then go to file and save. Then at your image host, browse and go into your pictures and retrive it
Apple devises slightly different
then hit the notepad in the ES posts to edit and then change the picture
also copy and paste the URL below the picture for the source link
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@Lioness, Khaled Desouki is the Chief Photographer for AFP News. Here's the same image, taken by him, form different angles, with the same lighting:
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quote:Originally posted by ZULU X: [QB] @Lioness, Khaled Desouki is the Chief Photographer for AFP News. Here's the same image, taken by him, form different angles, with the same lighting:
the above photo flipped horizontally I already showed this earlier
these are not the same photo, look at the hair details. Notice the position of the finger.
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Thanks for posting some nice images. Perhaps next time when I visit Egypt I will go see the mummies, although I don't find Cairo that appealing. I rather be in the South (Upper), where more history and culture is persevered etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: What I've noticed is that during the early days of "Egyptology" they use to find "things" that have "a lot" in common with Europeans. Doesn't mean they are, but that is what I've noticed.
Such as what exactly?? I don't see anything of ancient Egypt that is in common with Europeans. Unless you mean anthropometric features. If that's the case then Europeans found in East Africans a lot in common with them also!
Till this day Eurocentrists are posting these images online in chat rooms etc., to make it appear as if these are close to Europeans, also described as Eurasians (a very broad term). I am not going to repost them here, you know what they are.
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^here in the digest they have no methodology section, compare that to a science journal article and it's very lacking It makes me wonder if it was to an extent a way of trying to selling test kits, they have their sales pitch and pricing at the end of these digests
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Anybody with a bit of brain and a bit of time can match Amarna/Ramesses profiles against living and even 'historic' populations just as I've done.
Thing is these are not uniparentals passed intact down the generations.
Here're the beginning and end from Tut's maternal and paternal lines Pink from Thuya, blue from 'A III', and yellow is Tut's own D21 variable.
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While Thuya's entire profile is extant in southern Egyptians/northern Sudanese other mummies have a few alleles found in no living people. Is D18=8 from some 'ghost' or otherwise unknown E Afr population?
These mummies snapshot STRs from the Lower Nile Valley about 3000 years ago don't mean the subjects were today's southern Africans. Today's southern and other Africans share certain alleles w/t New Kingdom Mummies. Hell, some of those alleles are found worldwide.
It may first seem odd southern baNtu and Israeli Beduin share the highest frequency of CSF1PO=12. It's only as odd as S Afr Bantu and Palestinians sharing the born just after Green Sahara origin nrY E-M58, which coalesces to a time contemporaneous with the founding of Ta Wy as a nation.
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