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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
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Native Malians




Tuareg Malians


some of the Tuareg look like the native Malians at top
but others don't. I would bet their DNA and history reflects this
 

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Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
I bet, people can move from place to place. I also bet, that you don't know the background of the people you post about.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Lioness raises an interesting point; however her point was addressed to her lyinass many times before in the various threads about Moors, Tuaregs, Sanhaja etc.

The Tuareg in general regardless of country whether Mali, Algeria, Mauritania, etc. are divided into different kels or clans and each clan is divided into different castes based on ancestry. The noble clans are traditionally matrilineal though most castes have been affected by Arabization to certain degrees where some Tuareg claim paternal ancestry from Arabs like Beni Hassan. To make things more complicated, various foreigners were incorporated into segments of the kels. Either Arab men into the noble castes or Sub-Saharan men in other castes. Not to mention the incorporation of foreign (either European or Sub-Saharan) women via Islamic slave trade by more Islamicized men. All of this has tended to give the Tuareg a somewhat diverse range of appearance.

It's interesting though not at all surprising that the most 'pristine' looking Tuareg tend to reside in the most rural areas of the central Sahara, while those with 'foreign' looks tend to reside in nearby more cosmopolitan areas. Hence Tuareg with so-called "sub-Saharan" looks tend to live in the Sahel among typical Sub-Saharans while those with Eurasian looks tend to reside further north with Arab tribes.

Of course the 'pristine' Tuareg have a look that has been traditionally described by Western scholars as typically "Hamitic" like the Egyptians and we all know what this entails.

So the lyinass can stop obfuscating.
 

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Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 
What is a "native Malian"? Bambara? Susu? Moor? Dogon? Fula? Mandinka? None of them were there all that long. The oldest inhabitants are the Pygmies that once lived there. Taller blacks pushed in from Mauritania and the Sahara. So this idea of someone being "native" to a area in West Africa, who isn't a midget is rather silly. We also have to remember the Kingdom of Kukiya which was situated in West Africa and said to have been as old as Egypt, was also dominated demographically by Pygmies.

One most also be bright enough to realize light skinned Touregs are half castes, who are mixed with European slaves and black africans. People have been mixing there for a LONG time.
 

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Posted by BlessedbyHorus (Member # 22000) on :
 
How do you define a native Malian??? Not only that but Tuaregs have been native to Mali(northern part) before even the Mali Empire. How do we know those ones that "look like Malians" are the real Malian Tuaregs.

But more importantly Tuaregs in different African countries have different origins. IIRC Tuareg was really just a confederacy.
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
What is the documented evidence of
Pygmies inhabiting anywhere within
the extensive territory of today's
nation Mali?



Mali has two major climate zones
that connect with each other but
when did it ever have a tropical
rainforest zone?


cf Fertile Landscape thread
 

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Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :
 
From the Magical super secret facebook group.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Verschuuren
 

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Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
What is the documented evidence of
Pygmies inhabiting anywhere within
the extensive territory of today's
nation Mali?



Mali has two major climate zones
that connect with each other but
when did it ever have a tropical
rainforest zone?


cf Fertile Landscape thread

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
[QB] Herodotus? Niger river? It was
unknown to the Greco-Latins.
Their Niger is no more than
an application of Gir, a
Tamazight word for river.

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Herodotus? Niger river? It was
unknown to the Greco-Latins.
Their Niger is no more than
an application of Gir, a
Tamazight word for river.

Yes, stories of little red men
abound in Africa from west to
south but what's behind these
stories? What do the Mbuti or
Biaka themselves have to say
about once living in grassland
environments or building towns?

OK, other than "stories" you can
present no real evidence of Pygmy
populations or culture in Mali.

Meanwhile there is archaeology to
show the cultures and industries
of West Africa in both the LGAM
and early Holocene that do not
indicate Pygmies were involved.

Why are the Pygmies shorties?
Does tropical rain forest
environment factor?

Still awaiting standard documentary
evidence of Pygmy Mali in either the
north central or south zones of Mali
in any time period.

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• You claimed Pygmies as the only
  indigenees of Mali but examining
  evidence that holds up in classroom
  we find Mechtoids possibly ancestral
  to Berber/Tuareg peoples were first
  in the north.

• You claimed Pygmies as the only
  indigenees of Mali but if examining
  evidence that holds up in a classroom
  we find "Mechtoids" possibly ancestral
  to Tamazight peoples were first in the north.

quote:

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Originally posted by DD'eDeN:

re. "Do you propose the Tellem responsible
for the worlds first pottery and the
other characteristics of the early
and mid Holocene?" Tukuler asked typeZeiss


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I can't be specific about Malians, not familiar.

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