The most significant fact of the founding of Pharaonic Civilization by the Anu people is rarely, if ever, mentioned in texts on Ancient Egypt. Not to mention the Anu is actually worse than, say, writing a history of the United States of America and not mentioning the Pilgrims (aka "Founders"/"Forefathers"). One has to look at earlier texts for this vital information:
quote: Amélineau, is credited with the discovery of the Anu and their contribution to Egyptian civilization. It was Amélineau who designated the first black race to occupy Egypt as the Anu. He showed how they came slowly down the Nile and founded the cities of Esneh, Erment, Qouch and Heliopolis. The actual name is always written with three columns. He states that "All those cities have the characteristic symbol which serves to denote the name Anu." The original name for Heliopolis is "Annu". "Egypt's greatest Masters, Osiris, Hermes, Isis, and Horus all belonged to "the old race", the black Anu." (Chandler, 1999)
From Amélineau:
quote: These Anu were agricultural people, raising cattle on a large scale along the Nile, shutting themselves up in walled cities for defensive purposes. To this people we can attribute, without fear of error, the most ancient Egyptian books, The Book of the Dead and the Texts of the Pyramids, consequently, all the myths or religious teachings. I would add almost all the philosophical systems then known and still called Egyptian. They evidently knew the crafts necessary for any civilization and were familiar with the tools those trades required. They knew how to use metals, at least elementary metals. They made the earliest attempts at writing, for the whole Egyptian tradition attributes this art to Thoth, the great Hermes an Anu like Osiris, who is called Onian in Chapter XV of The Book of the Dead and in the Texts of the Pyramids. Certainly the people already knew the principal arts; it left proof of this in the architecture of the tombs at Abydos, especially the tomb of Osiris and in those sepulchers objects have been found bearing unmistakable stamp of their origin, such as carved ivory, or a little head of a Nubian girl found in a tomb near that of Osiris, or the small wooden or ivory receptacles in the form of a feline head--all documents published in the first volumn of my Fouilles d'Abydos.
From the Kememu themselves
Anu.......................... the city of Heliopolis (Coptic; On) Anu Meh................... Anu of the north (Heliopolis) Anu Shemo................ Anu of the south (Hermonthis/Ermant) Anu Monti.................. Anu of Hermonthis Anu Tem.................... the Anu of Tem (Hermonthis) Anu Re...................... the Anu of Re Afdu Ikhu................... the Four Ancestors (of the Anu) Ugrit......................... Goddess of the Duat of Anu Djandjané Anu............ the Anu Court of Judges: Tem; Shu; Tefnut; Osiris; Thoth Anu n Ptoh................ the Anu of Ptah (Denderah) Anu n Nut.................. the Anu of Nut (Denderah)
Denderah
Judging by the sheer number of given titles, the most venerated city of Kemet was not Thebes, but Denderah. After all, this was the city where the Parents of the Kememu nation (Isis and Osiris) were born. (It is also in the same neighborhood as Naqada). Here are some of the titles of this city:
"The birthplace of Isis" "The Throne of the Queen" "The perfect throne in the Holy of Holies" "The place of joy" "The thrones of Horus" "The holy temple of Horus" "The throne of eternity" "The throne of the drink" "The birthplace of Nut" "The Golden House" "The Sanctuary of Osiris" "The Sanctuary of Re" "The city of the knowing of Isis" "The temple of life" "The temple of Hathor" "The eternal house" "The exalted temple" "The holy temple of Horus of the Two-Lands" "The house of knowledge" (per Rekhit)
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The founders of civilization in South West Asia were the Anu people, archaeologists call Natufians.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: But I do believe that the founders of Egyptian civilization were the Anu people.
the lioness Member # 17353
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interesting the Anu founded civilizations in Cambodia and Burma as well as Egypt.
And here I had been thinking the Anu were Sumerian
Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: interesting the Anu founded civilizations in Cambodia and Burma as well as Egypt.
What is that statement in reference to?
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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Mike, why do you grow your nails so long? lol
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If no one can make an intelligent response to this topic, please refrain from commenting here at all; this is the Egyptology forum, NOT Ancient Egypt...Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by Wally: The Anu People
The most significant fact of the founding of Pharaonic Civilization by the Anu people is rarely, if ever, mentioned in texts on Ancient Egypt. Not to mention the Anu is actually worse than, say, writing a history of the United States of America and not mentioning the Pilgrims (aka "Founders"/"Forefathers"). One has to look at earlier texts for this vital information:
quote: Amélineau, is credited with the discovery of the Anu and their contribution to Egyptian civilization. It was Amélineau who designated the first black race to occupy Egypt as the Anu. He showed how they came slowly down the Nile and founded the cities of Esneh, Erment, Qouch and Heliopolis. The actual name is always written with three columns. He states that "All those cities have the characteristic symbol which serves to denote the name Anu." The original name for Heliopolis is "Annu". "Egypt's greatest Masters, Osiris, Hermes, Isis, and Horus all belonged to "the old race", the black Anu." (Chandler, 1999)
From Amélineau:
quote: These Anu were agricultural people, raising cattle on a large scale along the Nile, shutting themselves up in walled cities for defensive purposes. To this people we can attribute, without fear of error, the most ancient Egyptian books, The Book of the Dead and the Texts of the Pyramids, consequently, all the myths or religious teachings. I would add almost all the philosophical systems then known and still called Egyptian. They evidently knew the crafts necessary for any civilization and were familiar with the tools those trades required. They knew how to use metals, at least elementary metals. They made the earliest attempts at writing, for the whole Egyptian tradition attributes this art to Thoth, the great Hermes an Anu like Osiris, who is called Onian in Chapter XV of The Book of the Dead and in the Texts of the Pyramids. Certainly the people already knew the principal arts; it left proof of this in the architecture of the tombs at Abydos, especially the tomb of Osiris and in those sepulchers objects have been found bearing unmistakable stamp of their origin, such as carved ivory, or a little head of a Nubian girl found in a tomb near that of Osiris, or the small wooden or ivory receptacles in the form of a feline head--all documents published in the first volumn of my Fouilles d'Abydos.
From the Kememu themselves
Anu.......................... the city of Heliopolis (Coptic; On) Anu Meh................... Anu of the north (Heliopolis) Anu Shemo................ Anu of the south (Hermonthis/Ermant) Anu Monti.................. Anu of Hermonthis Anu Tem.................... the Anu of Tem (Hermonthis) Anu Re...................... the Anu of Re Afdu Ikhu................... the Four Ancestors (of the Anu) Ugrit......................... Goddess of the Duat of Anu Djandjané Anu............ the Anu Court of Judges: Tem; Shu; Tefnut; Osiris; Thoth Anu n Ptoh................ the Anu of Ptah (Denderah) Anu n Nut.................. the Anu of Nut (Denderah)
Denderah
Judging by the sheer number of given titles, the most venerated city of Kemet was not Thebes, but Denderah. After all, this was the city where the Parents of the Kememu nation (Isis and Osiris) were born. (It is also in the same neighborhood as Naqada). Here are some of the titles of this city:
"The birthplace of Isis" "The Throne of the Queen" "The perfect throne in the Holy of Holies" "The place of joy" "The thrones of Horus" "The holy temple of Horus" "The throne of eternity" "The throne of the drink" "The birthplace of Nut" "The Golden House" "The Sanctuary of Osiris" "The Sanctuary of Re" "The city of the knowing of Isis" "The temple of life" "The temple of Hathor" "The eternal house" "The exalted temple" "The holy temple of Horus of the Two-Lands" "The house of knowledge" (per Rekhit)
Mike111 Member # 9361
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Wally - I don't give much credence to the concept of "ONE" unique group of people founding the nation of Egypt. Yes, perhaps one group did follow the Nile north, so what?
Undoubtedly many more others simple migrated into the Sahara region as hunter-gathers. and as it started to dry-up, then migrated toward the only permanent water source - the Nile.
As to the texts that you cite: the Book of the Dead and the Texts of the Pyramids. None of them are sufficiently old to tell the story of the founding of Egypt, as writing came after the nation was founded.
To my mind, the only thing that can be said for sure about Egypt: the earliest and the dynastic period, is that it was "Multi-ethinc" (that is NOT not the same as multi-racial).
My position is supported by the various Palettes and Stele (such as the Narmer palette) which depict people of various dress and hair type.
But even more importantly, artifacts like the Gebel Knife demonstrate that the ancients did not live in a homogeneous national vacuum - they were ALWAYS INTERNATIONAL!
The King on the right above is a Sumerian King!
Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Mike, why do you grow your nails so long? lol (Laughing out loud)
Disjointed speech, unrelated to a particular subject. Laughter for no apparent reason.
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a disintegration of the process of thinking and of emotional responsiveness. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations (laughter), paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is generally accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction.
First of all Mike I know alot of people dealing with Mental Issues and they are really no different then any other person. Stigmas of Mental Health is the reason why people don't seek help when they need it.
I have Family that deal with MH and I have Family that works in Hospitals. So really we should not disrespect people going through troubles like this.
Akoben you seem to always like to yank Mikes chains. Really just because you don't believe in what he says does not give you the right to insult him. Your better then that Akoben. You called me out for posting to Lioness etc so I hope you stop posting in this thread to Mike.
Peace
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: If no one can make an intelligent response to this topic, please refrain from commenting here at all; this is the Egyptology forum, NOT Ancient Egypt...Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by Wally: The Anu People
The most significant fact of the founding of Pharaonic Civilization by the Anu people is rarely, if ever, mentioned in texts on Ancient Egypt. Not to mention the Anu is actually worse than, say, writing a history of the United States of America and not mentioning the Pilgrims (aka "Founders"/"Forefathers"). One has to look at earlier texts for this vital information:
quote: Amélineau, is credited with the discovery of the Anu and their contribution to Egyptian civilization. It was Amélineau who designated the first black race to occupy Egypt as the Anu. He showed how they came slowly down the Nile and founded the cities of Esneh, Erment, Qouch and Heliopolis. The actual name is always written with three columns. He states that "All those cities have the characteristic symbol which serves to denote the name Anu." The original name for Heliopolis is "Annu". "Egypt's greatest Masters, Osiris, Hermes, Isis, and Horus all belonged to "the old race", the black Anu." (Chandler, 1999)
From Amélineau:
quote: These Anu were agricultural people, raising cattle on a large scale along the Nile, shutting themselves up in walled cities for defensive purposes. To this people we can attribute, without fear of error, the most ancient Egyptian books, The Book of the Dead and the Texts of the Pyramids, consequently, all the myths or religious teachings. I would add almost all the philosophical systems then known and still called Egyptian. They evidently knew the crafts necessary for any civilization and were familiar with the tools those trades required. They knew how to use metals, at least elementary metals. They made the earliest attempts at writing, for the whole Egyptian tradition attributes this art to Thoth, the great Hermes an Anu like Osiris, who is called Onian in Chapter XV of The Book of the Dead and in the Texts of the Pyramids. Certainly the people already knew the principal arts; it left proof of this in the architecture of the tombs at Abydos, especially the tomb of Osiris and in those sepulchers objects have been found bearing unmistakable stamp of their origin, such as carved ivory, or a little head of a Nubian girl found in a tomb near that of Osiris, or the small wooden or ivory receptacles in the form of a feline head--all documents published in the first volumn of my Fouilles d'Abydos.
From the Kememu themselves
Anu.......................... the city of Heliopolis (Coptic; On) Anu Meh................... Anu of the north (Heliopolis) Anu Shemo................ Anu of the south (Hermonthis/Ermant) Anu Monti.................. Anu of Hermonthis Anu Tem.................... the Anu of Tem (Hermonthis) Anu Re...................... the Anu of Re Afdu Ikhu................... the Four Ancestors (of the Anu) Ugrit......................... Goddess of the Duat of Anu Djandjané Anu............ the Anu Court of Judges: Tem; Shu; Tefnut; Osiris; Thoth Anu n Ptoh................ the Anu of Ptah (Denderah) Anu n Nut.................. the Anu of Nut (Denderah)
Denderah
Judging by the sheer number of given titles, the most venerated city of Kemet was not Thebes, but Denderah. After all, this was the city where the Parents of the Kememu nation (Isis and Osiris) were born. (It is also in the same neighborhood as Naqada). Here are some of the titles of this city:
"The birthplace of Isis" "The Throne of the Queen" "The perfect throne in the Holy of Holies" "The place of joy" "The thrones of Horus" "The holy temple of Horus" "The throne of eternity" "The throne of the drink" "The birthplace of Nut" "The Golden House" "The Sanctuary of Osiris" "The Sanctuary of Re" "The city of the knowing of Isis" "The temple of life" "The temple of Hathor" "The eternal house" "The exalted temple" "The holy temple of Horus of the Two-Lands" "The house of knowledge" (per Rekhit)
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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quote:Originally posted by KING: Really people, Stop derailing Wally's thread.
First of all Mike I know alot of people dealing with Mental Issues and they are really no different then any other person. Stigmas of Mental Health is the reason why people don't seek help when they need it.
I have Family that deal with MH and I have Family that works in Hospitals. So really we should not disrespect people going through troubles like this.
Akoben you seem to always like to yank Mikes chains. Really just because you don't believe in what he says does not give you the right to insult him. Your better then that Akoben. You called me out for posting to Lioness etc so I hope you stop posting in this thread to Mike.
Peace
Be honest, dont you think its Mike in that vid.?
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Be honest, dont you think its Mike in that vid.?
Why don't you uneducated simpletons email each other???
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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Man go suck out yu mumma.
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Man go suck out yu mumma.
Thanks for proving that I was right about your intellectual immaturity...you may continue on in your idiocy...
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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Yu finish ah-ready? Damn dat was quick!
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: interesting the Anu founded civilizations in Cambodia and Burma as well as Egypt.
And here I had been thinking the Anu were Sumerian
This is because you have not studied ancient history. To study ancient history you must learn more than one language.
Having at least a reading knowledge of different languages allows you to find primary sources illuminating aspects of ancient history.
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: interesting the Anu founded civilizations in Cambodia and Burma as well as Egypt.
What is that statement in reference to?
Clyde's remark below:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The founders of civilization in South West Asia were the Anu people, archaeologists call Natufians.
MindoverMatter718 Member # 15400
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^^Cambodia and Burma are in southeast Asia.
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^^Cambodia and Burma are in southeast Asia.
right thank you for correcting me on that, dumb error on my part. He was talking Mesopotamia. But the point is people are defining the origins of the Anu in different ways. Wally's saying they were the first to occupy Egypt while Clyde says they founded South West Asian civilizations, Sumer etc. Unless the so called Anu founded both civilizations. My opinion is that Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits of the period misapplied the term. Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt.
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^^Cambodia and Burma are in southeast Asia.
right thank you for correcting me on that, dumb error on my part. He was talking Mesopotamia. But the point is people are defining the origins of the Anu in different ways. Wally's saying they were the first to occupy Egypt while Clyde says they founded South West Asian civilizations, Sumer etc. Unless the so called Anu founded both civilizations. My opinion is that Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits of the period misapplied the term. Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt.
The Anu introduced civilization to Mesopotamia. The Anu probably represent the Ubaid people.
The Anu ruled the world before the great flood. The Anu were the pygmy people. The great flood left many Anu (pygymy) populations isolated around the world.
In Mesopotamia the Anu were unable to defend their civilization from attacks by the Hill people (Gutians). The Anu probably invented the cuneiform scrpt. This writing system was used for commercial purposes in Mesopotamia. The Anu introduced mining into the region.
The Kushites after Flood took over the Anu mining interests. The Kushites founded Sumer. Due to their Kushite origin they refered to themselves as the Kings of Kish/Kush. The Kushites came from Nubia.
The Kushites or Sumerians originally used the Proto-Sharan script. Due to the common use of cuneiform by commercial interest in Meopotamia the Sumerians abandoned Proto-Sumerian writing.
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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The Kushites after the flood? Stop using the Bible as a reference. Are you a scholar or a preacher?
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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I accept the fact there were ancient Blacks in Asia. These Blacks were the Australian type people who mainly live in Australia and the Hill regions of Oceania.
The coastal Melanesians on the otherhand, are descendants of recent Africans who settled the area after being forced from Asia. The Polynesians/Filipinos and etc., who are known as the original Mongoloid people and called Classical Mongoloid in the literature probably originated in Anatolia or Mesopotamia.
The Australians are the original settlers of Asia (around 60kybp), and may represent members of the first out of Africa migrants. I never refer to these people as Africans, although I do recognize them as Blacks.
The Bushman/ Khoisan probably represent the second African migration of homo sapien sapiens out of Africa. I would class these people with the CroMagnon/Grimaldi group who entered Iberia after 34kybp. Remnants of this great people were found on every continent when Europeans first explored the world.
The Anu or Black pygmies type may represent the Natufians who began to migrate out of Africa after 20,000 and settled in the Levant which was first settled by Cro Magnon people who early replaced the Neanderthal folk. The Natufians would represent the fourth African migration into Eurasia.
Overtime the Anu established a worldwide metals trade network. The Anu traded in metals and used Mesopotamia and Egypt as major centers of their civilization.
In Mesopotamia the Anu invented the cuneiform writing to keep business records. Here they also began to employ Gutians to work in their mines. These Gutians were the ancestors of the Syrians/Iraqis and Persians. After the 4000 BC when a great flood occured the Anu centers of power declined.
By the time the Anu entered Eurasia the Classical mongoloid people who are the ancestors of the Indonesians/Vietnamese/Filipinos and etc. were probably already settled in Anatolia. The classical mongoloids probably constructed Catal Huyuk. The close relationship between Sumerian and the AustroAsiatic languages suggest that the classical Mongoloid people may have also inhabited Mesopotamia by the time the Sumerians entered the area.
It appears to have been a natural catastrophe which caused the classical mongoloids to migrate eastward. We know this because many of the former sites of the Classical mongoloids in Anatolia were occupied by the Kushites (Kaska) people after 2500 BC.
By 1200 BC the clasical mongoloids had become well established in India. Around this time they conquered the Dravidian people who founded the first Shang empire, and set up a new Shang Empire at Anyang.
By 1000 BC the Hau/Han tribes came down from the mountains and pushed the classical mongoloids southward into Yunnan and eventually Southeast Asia. The Han began to make the Yueh and li min people their slaves. The Han often used the Qiang (another Black tribe) as sacrifice victims. The Han killed off as many Black tribes as they could. The only thing that saved the pygmies in East Asia, was the fact that they moved into the mountains in areas they could easily defend from Han attacks.
This movement of Han and classical mongoloid people southward forced the Kushite/African (Qiang, li min and other African) tribes onto the Pacific Islands. It is these Africans who represent the coastal Melanesians.
The fifth migration out of Africa were the Kushites. The Sumerians, Elamites, Xia (of China), Harappans of the Indus Valley and coastal Melanoids are the Proto-Saharan people known in History as the Kushites.These people originated in the Highland regions of Middle Africa, and began to occupy the former trade centers of the Anu in Eurasia and the Americas. It is for this reason that we find West African placenames in the Pacific and India.
After 4000 BC the Kushites replaced the Anu in the metal trade. They opened new They came in contact with the Gutians who adopted many aspects of their culture.It would appear that the Kushites were very liberal because the Gutians were only used as mine workers by the Anu. Over time the Gutians took Lagash and adopted completely Sumerian (Kushite) culture.
Given the origin of the classical mongoloids in Anatolia, and the Han Chinese somewhere in North China or Central Asia,the Southeast Asians are not descendants of the first African migration to Eurasia. This is why the Chinese and Classical mongoloid people share few if any genes with the Australians. The Classical mongoloids share genes mainly with the coastal Melanesians who are of African origin, but few genes with the Chinese of East Asia.
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ...My opinion is that Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits of the period misapplied the term. Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt.
That's because you choose to conveniently and rather casually dismiss the secondary findings of Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits in order to fit your theory..."Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt"
> An, Anu in Sumerian means "sky, heaven" and "sky-god"
> Ainu in Japan distinguishes a Japanese ethnic group
-- none of the above precludes the existence or blurs the meaning of this word in a different milieu - Africa; the primary source: the Kememu themselves
Anu.......................... the city of Heliopolis (Coptic; On) Anu Meh................... Anu of the north (Heliopolis) Anu Shemo................ Anu of the south (Hermonthis/Ermant) Anu Monti.................. Anu of Hermonthis Anu Tem.................... the Anu of Tem (Hermonthis) Anu Re...................... the Anu of Re Afdu Ikhu................... the Four Ancestors (of the Anu) Ugrit......................... Goddess of the Duat of Anu Djandjané Anu............ the Anu Court of Judges: Tem; Shu; Tefnut; Osiris; Thoth Anu n Ptoh................ the Anu of Ptah (Denderah) Anu n Nut.................. the Anu of Nut (Denderah)
These terms derive from the Sudan (Ekush, Ethaosh...)
Note: The Sumerians referred to themselves as "the black-headed people"
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by Wally:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ...My opinion is that Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits of the period misapplied the term. Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt.
That's because you choose to conveniently and rather casually dismiss the secondary findings of Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits in order to fit your theory..."Anu refers to Sumeria not Egypt"
> An, Anu in Sumerian means "sky, heaven" and "sky-god"
> Ainu in Japan distinguishes a Japanese ethnic group
-- none of the above precludes the existence or blurs the meaning of this word in a different milieu - Africa; the primary source: the Kememu themselves
Anu.......................... the city of Heliopolis (Coptic; On) Anu Meh................... Anu of the north (Heliopolis) Anu Shemo................ Anu of the south (Hermonthis/Ermant) Anu Monti.................. Anu of Hermonthis Anu Tem.................... the Anu of Tem (Hermonthis) Anu Re...................... the Anu of Re Afdu Ikhu................... the Four Ancestors (of the Anu) Ugrit......................... Goddess of the Duat of Anu Djandjané Anu............ the Anu Court of Judges: Tem; Shu; Tefnut; Osiris; Thoth Anu n Ptoh................ the Anu of Ptah (Denderah) Anu n Nut.................. the Anu of Nut (Denderah)
These terms derive from the Sudan (Ekush, Ethaosh...)
lioness is not misapplying the term s/he is just playing her regular games with the history of African people.
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote: Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Overtime the Anu established a worldwide metals trade network. The Anu traded in metals and used Mesopotamia and Egypt as major centers of their civilization....
In Mesopotamia the Anu invented the cuneiform writing to keep business records. Here they also began to employ Gutians to work in their mines. These Gutians were the ancestors of the Syrians/Iraqis and Persians. After the 4000 BC when a great flood occured the Anu centers of power declined....
Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The founders of civilization in South West Asia were the Anu people, archaeologists call Natufians....
But I do believe that the founders of Egyptian civilization were the Anu people....
The Natufians had nothing to do with the rise of Egypt....
Clyde stop flip flopping, you're all over the place. At least Wally is consistent in repeating Amélineau's incompetent nonsense.
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Clyde stop flip flopping, you're all over the place. At least Wally is consistent in repaeting Amélineau's made up nonsense.
Maybe I missed it but did you address this part of Wally's post
quote:the secondary findings of Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Clyde stop flip flopping, you're all over the place. At least Wally is consistent in repaeting Amélineau's made up nonsense.
Maybe I missed it but did you address this part of Wally's post
quote:the secondary findings of Amélineau and a few other Egyptologits
there are no such "findings" Amélineau was high on opium
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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So let me understand you: there were no "Anu" in AE. Wally's list is bogus.
Wally Member # 2936
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Professor Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie (3 June 1853 – 28 July 1942); English Egyptologist, re: The Anu; from "The Making of Egypt, 1939"
Page 68 "The Aunu People. Besides these types, belonging to the north and east, There is the aboriginal race of the Anu, or Aunu, people (written with three pillars), who became a part of the historic inhabitants. The subject ramifies too doubtfully if we include all single-pillar names, but looking for the Aunu, written with the three pillars, we find that they occupied Southern Egypt and Nubia, and the name is also applied in Sinai and Libya.
As to the Southern Egyptians, we have the most essential document, a portrait of a chief, Tera-neter, roughly modeled in relief in green glazed faience, found in the early temple at Abydos. Preceding his name, his address is given on this earliest of visiting cards, "Palace of the Aunu in Hermen city, Tera-neter." Hemen was the name of the god of Tuphium (Lanz., Dict, 544), 13 miles south of Luqsor. Erment, opposite to it, was the place of Aunu of the south, Aunu Menti. The next place in the south is Aunti (Gebeleyn), and beyond that Aunyt- seni (Esneh).
The chief peculiarity of the figure is the droop of the chin; this is caused by a slanting jaw with short ramus. The same type of jaw is seen in the ivory king from Abydos, and moreover, the Scorpion king who preceded Nar-mer.
These figures are, then, the precious portraits remaining of the native pre-Menite kings of the south, and they are of a type certainly different from the dynastic type of the square- jawed Nar-mer (Mena) and his follows.
The difference of the slope of jaw in the Aunu people was illustrated by our researchers in the cemetery at Tarkhan. In dealing with the remains, the jaws were all photographed in position, and they show two groups of the slope of the lower edge as 20 and 28 to the horizontal.
Now we can go a step further. On the big mace-head of the Scorpion king there are carved the standard figured. These emblems of Min and Set, with rekhyt plovers handing from them. The rekhytu people, however, were the special care of the dynastic race, protected by Aha and by Thetu. They were an organized rank ruled by a mayor in the Vth and VIth dynasties. The Scorpion king was, then, an enemy of the dynastic falcon, Horus.
As we find the Aunu strong in the south, but the rekhytu strong in the north, it seems that the rekhytu came in with the dynastic invasion, entering the Nile valley at Koptos. Those who went south were attacked by the Aunu, and those going north founded a base at Heliopolis (Syro-Egypt, 2).
Page 5 "Some of the most obvious public works of the Ist dynasty were the carrying on of earlier undertakings. The great historical maces, and the irrigation works, had been developed under the Scorpion king of the Aunu, and both may have originated much earlier. Many vases and bowls (HR, xii, xvii, xix, xxxiv) bear his name."
Page 78 "Nar-mer Pallette. The principal monument of the first king Nar-mer (Mena) is the large slate palette (XL). This shows his capture of the "chief of the lake" (uo she), and the falcon holding 6,000 prisoners. Behind him is his body-servant," the rosette here, and elsewhere, being used for the king. The resemblance of the king on this palette to the sculptor's trial piece, or model shows that almost certainly to be the royal portrait. It was never part of a statute, being flat on the back and top; it seems to be a life-study as a model for future figures. It is accepted as the oldest portrait figure, by Michaelis, who notes the "astonishing acuteness of the racial type."
Page 102 "Dynasty II, Tombs. The IInd dynasty came to terms with the earlier Aunu people, and the first king took the name Hetep-sekhemui, "peace of the two powers." By the middle of the dynasty, the Aunu people began to control the rule, and Set appears on the royal name instead of Horus. By the end of the dynasty, the two scepters were "united in peace" by Kho- sekhemui".
Page 105 "Motives of Dynasty III. A breath of life came from the Sudan. The new dynasty was headed by Sa-nekht of Sudany type, and he gave a fresh impetus which was later continued by Zeser, Yet there was no new invention, but only a strengthening of the old style, without a different art.
The southern source was likewise the inspiration of the XIIth, the XVIIIth, the XXVth dynasties, and in a similar manner. The Sudany infusion continued in the upper classes, as seen in the head of Seker-kha-bau.
The development of stone building at the Step Pyramid of Zeser at Saqqara was based on earlier craft, the carvings of Dynasty I in wood and ivory. Small objects such as head-rests, had columns with convex fluting, and also with concave, in the IInd dynasty. The motives may have originated in the larger work and, later, been borrowed for it again. A similar translation from wood to stone is also to be found in the stone copies of wooden doorways, and of wooden doors represented as thrown open, at the entry of chambers in the temple of the Step Pyramid. In the IIIrd dynasty there was the achievement of using stone for wood, fixing the principles of art."--W.M. Flinders Petrie
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: So let me understand you: there were no "Anu" in AE. Wally's list is bogus.
correct, Coptic related suffixes don't apply
anguishofbeing Member # 16736
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Dumb@ss debunked above, again. lol
Wally Member # 2936
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An, Anu, On, Onu
note that Osiris is identified as an Anu (singular = Ani; 3rd glyph Ani Ntr = Great Anu Ancestor) ; the Moon-god "Anu Emen.t khasu" and "Anu dwa" - the Anu god of the heavens/afterlife and all of these philosophical precepts can be traced back to the Sudan; Kush/Ekush/Etosh/Ethaosh...
From the Sudan to Kemet, to Sinai, to Libya, to Sumer and beyond...
King_Scorpion Member # 4818
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It's a mistake to say Ancient Egypt was founded by one group when we know for a fact that the Western Sahara certainly played a big role. The people who built Nabta Playa surely took their smarts into the Nile Valley when the Sahara dried up.
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King Scorpion
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It's a mistake to say Ancient Egypt was founded by one group when we know for a fact that the Western Sahara certainly played a big role. The people who built Nabta Playa surely took their smarts into the Nile Valley when the Sahara dried up. Don't forget the Great Lakes people don't forget the Horn also.
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: King Scorpion
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It's a mistake to say Ancient Egypt was founded by one group when we know for a fact that the Western Sahara certainly played a big role. The people who built Nabta Playa surely took their smarts into the Nile Valley when the Sahara dried up.
posted by Brada-Anansi: Don't forget the Great Lakes people don't forget the Horn also.
If you study Narmer's tablet, it is clear that the political unification of Ancient Egypt was not brought about through different African ethnic groups coming together peacefully - there was no Kumbaya moment; No, Ancient Egypt was united through armed struggle - military force - a protracted military struggle predating Narmer but culminating with his victory over the heterogeneous African nations dwelling within the Nile Valley and Delta regions...
After this victory, there were no long millenniums of political and ethnic harmony; Egyptian history is replete with struggles, even though it had achieved the ideological goal of creating a national Egyptian identity...
There are lessons in the formation of these African Civilizations; Kemet, Kush, Khami: Zimbabwe, Ghana, Mali, Songhay which are instructive in the context of modern day Africa...
a) all of these civilizations were multi-ethnic and came into existence (political unification) through armed struggle...
b) are you not at all familiar with Shaka and the formation of the Zulu nation? Again, through armed struggle...
c) The United States of America began as a British colonial possession, at that time a conglomeration of both native as well as European and African ethnic groups; yet the formation of the United States was due to a handful of wealthy, propertied White men... and all of this taking place during the armed struggle against the British...
King_Scorpion Member # 4818
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quote:Originally posted by Wally:
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: King Scorpion
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It's a mistake to say Ancient Egypt was founded by one group when we know for a fact that the Western Sahara certainly played a big role. The people who built Nabta Playa surely took their smarts into the Nile Valley when the Sahara dried up.
posted by Brada-Anansi: Don't forget the Great Lakes people don't forget the Horn also.
If you study Narmer's tablet, it is clear that the political unification of Ancient Egypt was not brought about through different African ethnic groups coming together peacefully - there was no Kumbaya moment; No, Ancient Egypt was united through armed struggle - military force - a protracted military struggle predating Narmer but culminating with his victory over the heterogeneous African nations dwelling within the Nile Valley and Delta regions...
After this victory, there were no long millenniums of political and ethnic harmony; Egyptian history is replete with struggles, even though it had achieved the ideological goal of creating a national Egyptian identity...
There are lessons in the formation of these African Civilizations; Kemet, Kush, Khami: Zimbabwe, Ghana, Mali, Songhay which are instructive in the context of modern day Africa...
a) all of these civilizations were multi-ethnic and came into existence (political unification) through armed struggle...
b) are you not at all familiar with Shaka and the formation of the Zulu nation? Again, through armed struggle...
c) The United States of America began as a British colonial possession, at that time a conglomeration of both native as well as European and African ethnic groups; yet the formation of the United States was due to a handful of wealthy, propertied White men... and all of this taking place during the armed struggle against the British...
I never said there wasn't struggle. Being Humans (though extremely ancient) I'm sure they fought over the same things we fight over today. Humans are competitive by nature. I simply said the originators weren't some homogenous group and Nabta Playa shows that.
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quote:Originally posted by King_Scorpion:
...I simply said the originators weren't some homogenous group and Nabta Playa shows that.
Lemme try to 'splain mahn, by 'splainin English tuh ya
Originator does NOT mean the same thing as
Contributor which does NOT mean the same thing as
Organizer, Unifier, Consolidator...
a) The Ancient Egyptians originated from the Sudan, the fertile Saharan crescent, the Eastern desert between the Nile and the "Red" sea, Central Africa...
b) Ancient Egypt originally consisted of this polyglot of multi-African ethnicities, each occupying its own fiefdom, which would later become States; all of whom would contribute to the society that would ultimately emerge...
c) The emergence of this first recorded nation in history was the result of its political unification and consolidation by the Anu ethnic group...
capiche?
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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Now information.
Question is, where does this fit:
The Khormusan: Evidence for an MSA East African industry in Nubia
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There is clear evidence of lithic technological variability in Middle Paleolithic (MP) assemblages along the Nile valley and in adjacent desert areas. One of the identified variants is the Khormusan, the type-site of which, Site 1017, is located north of the Nile's Second Cataract. The industry has two distinctive characteristics that set it apart from other MP industries within its vicinity. One is the use of a wide variety of raw materials; the second is an apparent correlation between raw material and technology used, suggesting a cultural aspect to raw material management. Stratigraphically, site 1017 is situated within the Dibeira-Jer formation which represents an aggradation stage of the Nile and contains sediments originating from the Ethiopian Highlands. While it has previously been suggested that the site dates to sometime before 42.5 ka, the Dibeira-Jer formation can plausibly be correlated with Nile alluvial sediments in northern Sudan recently dated to 83 ± 24 ka (MIS 5a). This stage coincides with the 81 ka age of sapropel S3, indicating higher Nile flow and stronger monsoon rainfall at these times.
Other sites which reflect similar raw material variability and technological traditions are the BNS and KHS sites in the Omo Kibish Formation (Ethiopia) dated to ∼100 ka and ∼190 ka respectively. Based on a lithic comparative study conducted, it is suggested that site 1017 can be seen as representing behavioral patterns which are indicative of East African Middle Stone Age (MSA) technology, adding support to the hypothesis that the Nile Valley was an important dispersal route used by modern humans prior to the long cooling and dry trend beginning with the onset of MIS 4. Techo-typological comparison of the assemblages from the Khormusan sites with other Middle Paleolithic sites from Nubia and East Africa is used to assess the possibility of tracing the dispersal of technological traits across the landscape and through time.
--Mae Goder-Goldberger
Quaternary International 25 June 2013, Vol.300:182–194, doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2012.11.031 The Middle Palaeolithic in the Desert
The most significant fact of the founding of Pharaonic Civilization by the Anu people is rarely, if ever, mentioned in texts on Ancient Egypt. Not to mention the Anu is actually worse than, say, writing a history of the United States of America and not mentioning the Pilgrims (aka "Founders"/"Forefathers"). One has to look at earlier texts for this vital information:
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Amélineau, is credited with the discovery of the Anu and their contribution to Egyptian civilization. It was Amélineau who designated the first black race to occupy Egypt as the Anu. He showed how they came slowly down the Nile and founded the cities of Esneh, Erment, Qouch and Heliopolis. The actual name is always written with three columns. He states that "All those cities have the characteristic symbol which serves to denote the name Anu." The original name for Heliopolis is "Annu". "Egypt's greatest Masters, Osiris, Hermes, Isis, and Horus all belonged to "the old race", the black Anu." (Chandler, 1999)
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Seti I father of Ramesses II
In other words Emile Amélineau, who invented the concept of the Anu says that they were black Africans and were the Pre- Dynastic Egyptians He says that the Dynastic Egyptians, like Seti (above) were tanned white people who conquered the Anu and used the Anu knowledge to continue the Egyptian civilization and establish the dynasties
Amélineau had seen and discovered a lot of Egyptian art. he considered the Egyptians to be a tanned Asiatic white people
But then he found this >>
And his interpretation was that this represented a different black race of an earlier period who were conquered by who would become the Dynastic Egyptians a white people, as stated above in Cheikh Anta Diop's book
In other words he came up with the Anu theory after already perceiving the Egyptian art as representing people of a different foreign type who conquered Egypt
I feel I have to mention Cheikh Anta Diop in this thread because Amélineau's theory that there was a population Egypt called the Anu had been forgotten for many years until Diop brought him up again in his book in 1974 (although I think wrote about it in the mid 50s or 60s in his French books)
Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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Lioness, who is this supposed "white race", where did they reside for so long?
Please elaborate...I see forward to your reply.
Ps, it was not Diop who made that stament, he only cited that statement by Amélineau. This was then translated into English.
quote: “Since the Egyptian origin of civilization and the extensive borrowing of the Greeks from the Egyptians are historically evident, we may well wonder with Amelineau why, despite those facts, most people stress the role played by Greece while overlooking that of Egypt. The reason for this attitude can be detected merely by recalling the root of the question. As Egypt is a Negro country, with a civilization created by Blacks, any thesis tending to prove the contrary would have no future. The protagonists of such theories are not unaware of this. So it is wiser and safer to strip Egypt, simply and most discreetly, of all its creations in favor of a really White nation (Greece). This false attribution to Greece of the values of a so-called White Egypt reveals a profound contradiction that is not the least important proof of Egypt’s Negro origin.”
-- Cheikh Anta Diop, The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality, pg. 234. 1974
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