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^ Amun-Re is in fact a compound of two deities-- Amun and Re. Amun was a very ancient primordial deity first spoken of in the Pyramid Texts and Book of Portals (mistakenly called 'Book of the Dead'). Amun simply means 'hidden'. I forgot the etymology of Re but Re was a sun god. During the New Kingdom the cults of Re in northern Egypt and Amun in southern Egypt were eventually syncretized and combined as part of a nationalized cult.
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^ Why do you continuously make up false allegations such as my use of the word "cult" being restricted to Africa?? Do you even know what that word means??
Here let me help you out...
cult /kʌlt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhlt] Show IPA –noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols...
Why do you continously refer to me as 'Mary' when you know I'm not even female or Jewish let alone the fact that I never advocated Lefkowitz?? Perhaps it is because jew-scapgoating is how you make up for your own short-comings. And no doubt you continue your false allegations (that nobody buys) as a way of distracting from your obvious farce as an Africanist when you are just a white euro-loser pretending to be as such??
By the way, Amun was never appropriated by the Greeks whom they identified with their Zeus. The Greeks always acknowledge the deity as Egyptian. There goes another lie, and we've already discussed Aristotle and your false theft of Egypt. Posts: 26260 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: 1. Post where you use the word "cult" in reference to Judaism?
Judaism is centered around the cult of Yahweh. I believe I posted that several times in here before, moron.
quote:2. If by "discussed" you mean you denied James pointed to the Greeks as the thieves, then yes, you "discussed" it.
Nope. It was discussed in the thread Stolen Legacies that the Greeks never stole anything from the Egyptians! But obviously your simpleton brain either "forgot" or are just in denial about the whole affair.
quote:3. Who said the Greeks didn't acknowledged Ammon as Egyptian?
But you say they appropriated him as their own. They didn't. They just identified him with their Zeus. The actual cult-- as in religious rites and practices exclusive to that deity-- stayed in Egypt.
Any more of your lies you want me to address? Posts: 26260 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote: Judaism is centered around the cult of Yahweh. I believe I posted that several times in here before, moron.
Wow, I believe I have more power over you than I thought! LOL
Well Mary please post where you referred (before today) to Judaism as cult "several times". Waiting...
quote: Nope. It was discussed in the thread Stolen Legacies that the Greeks never stole anything from the Egyptians
The thread is about Prof. James' book (the one you called silly and not real evidence) are you saying James never pointed fingers at the ancient Greeks as the thieves? And please don't tell me what you believe you dumb duck egg eater, did he or didn't he?
quote: But you say they appropriated him as their own.
And they did appropriate it you Manila duck egg eater; never said they denied where it came from. Thats your lie.
Or are you simply showing us that you don't know the meaning of the word appropriate? LOL
EDIT Oh I forgot your positon on this one too: that the Greek Zeus is not a copy of the African Amun, which is yet another Lefkowitz-ian theme!!! LOLOL
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quote:assopen talks: Wow, I believe I have more power over you than I thought! LOL
LMAO You believe wrong as usual! The day you have "power" over me is the day I'm comatose, but even then I have higher functioning brain than you!
quote:Well Mary please post where you referred (before today) to Judaism as cult "several times". Waiting...
I'm not going to go on a wild goose search in this forum especially without a search engine. Why don't YOU actually cite where I refer to African religions as cults only?! After all it is YOUR allegation as it is a false one!
quote:The thread is about Prof. James' book (the one you called silly and not real evidence) are you saying James never pointed fingers at the ancient Greeks as the thieves? And please don't tell me what you believe you dumb duck egg eater, did he or didn't he?
And this thread was a question which I answered, and since you are a psychologically frustrated loser who's obsessed with me, you follow with the same b.s. and like your boyfriend Argay you resort to ethnic ad-hominem. I'd rather eat duck eggs than mens' genitalia like you and your ilk!
quote:And they did appropriate it you Manila duck egg eater; never said they denied where it came from. Thats your lie.
Appropriate it how? Did they adopt the same forms of worship, rites and rituals of the deity?? Was there an official temple of Amun in Greece??
quote:Or are you simply showing us that you don't know the meaning of the word appropriate? LOL
LOLI know the meaning! The question is do YOU?? Apparently not.
quote:EDIT Oh I forgot your positon on this one too: that the Greek Zeus is not a copy of the African Amun, which is yet another Lefkowitz-ian theme!!! LOLOL
You can't edit your brain functioning and the deity Zeus is not Amun! It's a known fact that Zeus is one of the few Greek deities that's Indo-European in origin whose cult originates in the north in Dodona. Just because the Greeks identified Amun with Zeus does not mean they were one and the same.
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quote: I'm not going to go on a wild goose search in this forum especially without a search engine.
LOL Not surprised you cant post where you do.
quote: And this thread was a question which I answered, and since you are a psychologically frustrated loser who's obsessed with me, you follow with the same b.s. and like your boyfriend Argay you resort to ethnic ad-hominem. I'd rather eat duck eggs than mens' genitalia like you and your ilk!
Bitch answer the question: are you saying James never pointed fingers at the ancient Greeks as the thieves?
quote: Appropriate it how?
I showed you dufus.
quote: Did they adopt the same forms of worship, rites and rituals of the deity??
Strawman never said this.
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quote:Da openass: LOL Not surprised you cant post where you do.
Again, why should I search for past posts without a search engine?? It's YOUR allegations, the burden is on YOUR sorryass to find where I refer to African religions only as "cults"! As usual you make things up and attribute them to others only to expect the other persons to refute it! LOL
quote:Bitch answer the question: are you saying James never pointed fingers at the ancient Greeks as the thieves?
LMAO YOU as the euro prostitute-faggot is the last person to be calling anyone a bitch! I answered your question many threads ago, you're gonna drag me into another runaround with you, especially not on a thread which doesn't even address that topic!
quote:I showed you dufus.
Showed me, where??
quote: "Did they adopt the same forms of worship, rites and rituals of the deity??"
Strawman never said this.
I never said you did, fool! So how then did they appropriate this deity nitwit??!
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quote: It's YOUR allegations, the burden is on YOUR sorryass to find where I refer to African religions only as "cults"!
You said you referred to Judaism as a cult "several times" hence it cant be too hard to find at least one? Come on Mary you know the deal.
quote: answered your question many threads ago,
Well, does he point to the ancient Greeks as thieves yes or no bitch, quit stalling.
quote: Showed me, where??
The coin. Browder explains it in this book below also. Go ahead, dismiss it as Afrocentric and silly like you did James book, then I'll have more fun watching you deny it months later only to resurrect the thread and embarrass you again.
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I think we’re missing the point somewhat; perhaps I should expound on my question a litter further.
I understand exactly who Amun was and indeed the solar god Re, my interest lies in the reading of the hieroglyphs.
We derive Amun-Re by simply adding a sun glyph to the name Amun. But the sun glyph could also be read as ‘light’ (ref. Collier) giving us, ‘Amun’s light’ or the ‘light of Amun.’
I say this because wherever Amun-Re is referenced with an accompanying image it is invariably the god Amun who is shown and never the hawk-headed god Re.
So, is it possible to read the glyphs as ‘Amun’s light?’If not, why?
Regards
Gary Gilligan
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I was wondering if Amun-Re could also be read Amun-light or even the light of Amun?
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You're mixing languages, ie, Mdu Ntr/English - Amon "the light" As Djehuti points out correctly, Amon = "hidden" The meaning of the word Re = "sun", "daily" and "light" could also be inferred from "sun" Therefore the literal meaning of Amon Re is "Hidden Sun", "Hidden Light"; but I don't think the expression is a literal one, it just means the combination of the two deities Amon and Re...
Djehuti's answer should have pretty much closed the case here...
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^ Yes, and Aten you can ignore the angry troll who is just intellectually frusrated as well as sexually. Posts: 26260 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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We derive Amun-Re by simply adding a sun glyph to the name Amun. But the sun glyph could also be read as ‘light’ (ref. Collier) giving us, ‘Amun’s light’ or the ‘light of Amun.’
I say this because wherever Amun-Re is referenced with an accompanying image it is invariably the god Amun who is shown and never the hawk-headed god Re.
So, is it possible to read the glyphs as ‘Amun’s light?’If not, why?
Regards
Gary Gilligan
As it pertains to "Ra"...
In many cases, the particular incarnation or being with god-like qualities to which a hymn is dedicated, is identified with Ra. As Budge put it, an example of this can be seen in a hymn to Hapi in which, he is called “One”, and is said to have created himself. Later on in the text, in order to identify him with Ra, the epithets which belong to the Sun-god are applied to him. The hymn in question was popular in the 18th & 19th dynasties.
Why? Because...
The neteru were treated as manifestations of Ra, who in turn was the visible type and symbol of the invisible supreme God.
Re or Ra, originally meant the heavenly body, joined Herakhty (a recognized sun god) to represent the morning sun, and adopted the falcon head.
With that said, when a neter figure is given an attribute(s) that is generally associated with Ra, then it makes sense to identify that figure with Ra, which is what composite appellative implies. You see,...
Upon unification of Lower and Upper Egypt, apparently all the local gods had to be brought under a system, with the important and surviving ones included. Despite the numerous local gods before unification, it appears that there were some common elements found in the beliefs of different kingdoms, cities, or villages. This would have made it easier to bring them together under one system, for lack of a better word. Given that some of these shared attributes to begin with, they were synchronized and made into a composite deity, rather than eliminating one or the other of the contributing deity elements altogether. The belief in one Supreme being and a creation story is an example of this.
^...and we see an example of this synchronization when Ra is united with Atum -- whom having been given the attribute of the "setting sun", would now have the attribute of the "daytime sun" deity [which was Ra's domain].
Couple the "creative force" of Atum with the "regenerative" and "life-supporting" role of the Sun's light and radiation, and out of that, it makes sense to synchronize Atum -- as the "setting sun" -- with Ra, originally the morning or day-time Sun-god, to get Atum-Ra — the composite deity representing the sun's cycles from sun rise to sun set.
Bearing these in mind, to answer your question, it would have to be "no"; Ra cannot simply be interpreted as "light", as Ra is much more than just "light".
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