Originally posted by Yonis2:
...Pictures of pure Levantines (arabs)
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quote:I see you still haven't learned to shake off that passive voice Yonis.
Most people have probably noticed now that American "whites" and "blacks" have been arguing and debating for some while now
quote:Where'd you get that idea from? I'm African American and I refer to myself and all those with whom I identify, as black. Nearly all of those in my community do the same and I've yet to come across an African American who didn't see him/herself in this light. What Arabized Egyptians in 2007 consider themselves is completely irrelevant..
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:I sure feel uncomfortable calling anyone Black anymore. I generally do call Black people African American. I always feel like I slipped up if I say Black.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:Where'd you get that idea from? I'm African American and I refer to myself and all those with whom I identify, as black. Nearly all of those in my community do the same and I've yet to come across an African American who didn't see him/herself in this light. What Arabized Egyptians in 2007 consider themselves is completely irrelevant..
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:Sounds like a personal problem, but it surely has nothing to do with us African Americans who are proud of what we are........Black.
Originally posted by osiriun:
quote:I sure feel uncomfortable calling anyone Black anymore.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:Where'd you get that idea from? I'm African American and I refer to myself and all those with whom I identify, as black. Nearly all of those in my community do the same and I've yet to come across an African American who didn't see him/herself in this light. What Arabized Egyptians in 2007 consider themselves is completely irrelevant..
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:I know some that consider themselves Black or are not opposed to the generalization. Many Somalians do not like to be referred to as Black Africans but are not opposed to the Black American label. Of course most Upper Egyptians that are Fellahin are more tribal oriented. Many African Americans to move to these parts of Egypt and fit right in, however, a person from Nigeria would like stick out (lots of Ethiopians would not).
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:Where'd you get that idea from? I'm African American and I refer to myself and all those with whom I identify, as black. Nearly all of those in my community do the same and I've yet to come across an African American who didn't see him/herself in this light. What Arabized Egyptians in 2007 consider themselves is completely irrelevant..
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:Okay, now you're on the right track and are finally starting to make sense. Maybe I was a bit hard on you in the other thread as you truly are trying to understand the social ramifications of labels and how it should and can apply to civilization, though your bias is still apparent by your reference to Eurasia in the context of "seeking credit". As pointed out, it is my contention that it is a double standard to dichotomize Africa, but not Europe. Until that is addressed, I am firm in my classification of Egypt as a Black civilization, the same as how East Flatbush (Brooklyn) is a black neighborhood. As far as "Eurasians", if you mean SW Asians ("middle east"), then why not try focusing on SW Asia if it is "credit" you are actually seeking? That way you won't have to force a relationship between Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia to find what you are looking for.
Originally posted by osiriun:
I think Black is fine. After some consideration, if Europeans can claim Greece as a completely White society then Egypt should be referred to as Black. I don't know where that leaves Eurasians though. Seems like we don't get credit for anything anymore.
quote:Britain isn't completely white either. Nor is it completely European. You cannot use the word -completely- selectively to qualify Black African identity, but not qualify other identities.
if Europeans can claim Greece as a completely White society
quote:I have no idea. I also have no idea of how your question is relevant to the topic of *Ancient* Egyptians?
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:^ LOL Typical white racist propaganda. During the 12th dynasty, Egypt was having trouble with certain 'Nubian' groups whose raids into Egyptian territories became so bad that Senwosoret III built forts along the southern border and made a decree that "No Nhsi shall pass except to do trade". Of course it was the racist custom first started by Egyptologist James Henry Breasted, to translate Nhsi into "negro"! A custom still followed today.
Originally posted by sportbilly:
I got into it the other night with some white supremecist who was referencing something called the Stela of Philae.
He says that Sesostris the Third, was a Nordic (crazy, but the pic of the statue he showed, which I later found to only be one of many!) and declared no blacks were to be allowed north of that point.
quote:But as we all know Arabs are not pure and never have been. And those two pictures of the men above seem to be proof of that with their ambiguous features.
Originally posted by Yonis2:
...Pictures of pure Levantines (arabs)
...
quote:Ironic to say the least. In addition to what Djehuti explains, I'd also like to point out that despite his shortcomings, Frank Yurco was extremely helpful in dispelling this nonsense in particular. It is appropriate then, that I quote him in full, concerning this supposed issue.
Originally posted by sportbilly:
I got into it the other night with some white supremecist who was referencing something called the Stela of Philae.
He says that Sesostris the Third, was a Nordic (crazy, but the pic of the statue he showed, which I later found to only be one of many!) and declared no blacks were to be allowed north of that point.
Here's the pic he held up as unassailable proof.
Now of course like all white supremecist whackos who claim the Egyptians were Nordics, all he has is the one "piece of evidence." An accurate term, since it's only a fragment of a larger whole. Like the scumbags who claims Ramses "red hair" was proof positive he was "Nordic." Of course when you ask if Ramses father or children had red hair, or even brown hair for that matter, they mumble something about traits not being passed on and quickly change the subject.
i'm still waiting for one Euro-supremecist to explain to me where the Egyptians depicted themselves as blonde or red-headed.
BTW, pseaking of Sesostris III Here's two other depictions I found of the same guy:
And his grandfather:
I read Anta Diop's book, and all he pretty much says on that point is that the Stela was misinterpretted, and that Eurocentric's chose to interpret "Nahasi" as "Black," in order to try to undergird the assertion the Egyptians were whites and hated blacks.
I would like some mroe information on that. Searchd the archives, but didn't find anything on it. Anyone know anything about what Diop was talking about?
quote:Nice - you do this well.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:^ LOL Typical white racist propaganda. During the 12th dynasty, Egypt was having trouble with certain 'Nubian' groups whose raids into Egyptian territories became so bad that Senwosoret III built forts along the southern border and made a decree that "No Nhsi shall pass except to do trade". Of course it was the racist custom first started by Egyptologist James Henry Breasted, to translate Nhsi into "negro"! A custom still followed today.
Originally posted by sportbilly:
I got into it the other night with some white supremecist who was referencing something called the Stela of Philae.
He says that Sesostris the Third, was a Nordic (crazy, but the pic of the statue he showed, which I later found to only be one of many!) and declared no blacks were to be allowed north of that point.
Of course it doesn't matter to these idiots that the closest word to "negro" in Egyptian is Kem which the Egyptians called themselves!
Nor does it matter that his predecessor from the 11th dynasty, was married to a couple of Nubian wives:
quote:
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:... As far as "Eurasians", if you mean SW Asians ("middle east"), ...
Originally posted by osiriun:
... I don't know where that leaves Eurasians though. Seems like we don't get credit for anything anymore.
quote:
Originally posted by sportbilly:
...the Stela of Philae.
He says that Sesostris the Third, was a Nordic ... and
declared no blacks were to be allowed north of that point.
I read Anta Diop's book, and all he pretty much says on
that point is that the Stela was misinterpretted, and that
Eurocentric's chose to interpret "Nahasi" as "Black," in order
to try to undergird the assertion the Egyptians were whites
and hated blacks.
I would like some mroe information on that. Searchd
the archives, but didn't find anything on it. Anyone
know anything about what Diop was talking about?
quote:In otherwards, don't be so hard on people that have Black ancestry but do not label themselves as Black. My Grandfather was half Black (Great Grandmother was Ethiopian) but I do not see myself as Black but primarily because it is not my cultural heritage nor am I identifiably Black. Middle Eastern is the handle.
Originally posted by rasol:
quote:I have no idea. I also have no idea of how your question is relevant to the topic of *Ancient* Egyptians?
Originally posted by osiriun:
Again, if Black Americans no longer wish to be called Black why should an Egyptian of mixed ancestry?
quote:Dynastic Egypt was around for a long time. What do you consider ancient?
Originally posted by Sundiata:
^^And the relevance of this to Ancient Egypt?
quote:As were the AE. Osirus is called The Great Black. How ironic.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Sounds like a personal problem, but it surely has nothing to do with us African Americans who are proud of what we are........Black.
quote:Well said and I second that. Only a weak minded black person would be ashamed of being called black.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Sounds like a personal problem, but it surely has nothing to do with us African Americans who are proud of what we are........Black.
quote:So far, I haven't come across a country where any foreigner isn't likely to stick out. For instance, a Nigerian will likely stick out in Cameroon, and the case would be vice versa.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Many African Americans to move to these parts of Egypt and fit right in, however, a person from Nigeria would like stick out (lots of Ethiopians would not).
quote:It was a matter of time - finally out of the closet so to speak; you came out here talking about trying to approach things unbiased. So you do have an agenda, looking to find credit for what you consider "your people" in the Nile Valley, bypassing the rich history in the so-called Mesopotamia.
Originally posted by osiriun:
After some consideration, if Europeans can claim Greece as a completely White society then Egypt should be referred to as Black. I don't know where that leaves Eurasians though. Seems like we don't get credit for anything anymore.
quote:Middle Eastern is a term invented by the British in the early 20 century to protect their oil interrest. It has no meaning outside of that context, and is nonexistent as a historical reference.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Middle Eastern is the handle.
quote:It is what I am called today.
Originally posted by rasol:
quote:Middle Eastern is a term invented by the British in the early 20 century to protect their oil interrest. It has no meaning outside of that context, and is nonexistent as a historical reference.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Middle Eastern is the handle.
quote:Rubbish. Of COURSE Egypt was African. Where's the Mesopatamian script/language/tools in Egypt? Where's the cultural and religious influence? Mesopatamia and Egypt are worlds apart. You had your oppourtunity to point that out but you are a weak poster.
Originally posted by Mystery Solver:
quote:So far, I haven't come across a country where any foreigner isn't likely to stick out. For instance, a Nigerian will likely stick out in Cameroon, and the case would be vice versa.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Many African Americans to move to these parts of Egypt and fit right in, however, a person from Nigeria would like stick out (lots of Ethiopians would not).
quote:It was a matter of time - finally out of the closet so to speak; you came out here talking about trying to approach things unbiased. So you do have an agenda, looking to find credit for what you consider "your people" in the Nile Valley, bypassing the rich history in the so-called Mesopotamia.
Originally posted by osiriun:
After some consideration, if Europeans can claim Greece as a completely White society then Egypt should be referred to as Black. I don't know where that leaves Eurasians though. Seems like we don't get credit for anything anymore.
Osiriun, don't you find it odd that you feel, that just because people are rightfully characterizing ancient Nile Valley complexes as "African" and "by African", all of a sudden you - "Eurasians" - cease to get credit for "anything anymore"? LOL.
So, you have nothing to look towards to, but ancient complex in Africa, to feel that you've accomplished something? The real question should be, if Africans can't take credit for their own accomplishments, just so they can make "Eurasians" feel happy to get credit for *something*, where does that leave Africans? LOL.
quote:There was never civilisation called Mesopotamia. Meso-potamia is a Greek word for and area between rivers. It has the same linguistic structure as Hippo-potamus, where Hippo is greek for horse and Meso is greek for middle and potam is river.
Osiriun, don't you find it odd that you feel, that just because people are rightfully characterizing ancient Nile Valley complexes as "African" and "by African", all of a sudden you - "Eurasians" - cease to get credit for "anything anymore
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quote:The Hysoks brought peace and prosperity to Egypt!
Originally posted by rasol:
quote:There was never civilisation called Mesopotamia. Meso-potamia is a Greek word for and area between rivers. It has the same linguistic structure as Hippo-potamus, where Hippo is greek for horse and Meso is greek for middle and potam is river.
Osiriun, don't you find it odd that you feel, that just because people are rightfully characterizing ancient Nile Valley complexes as "African" and "by African", all of a sudden you - "Eurasians" - cease to get credit for "anything anymore
The people involved in ancient Levantine civilisaions like Akadia were Asiatics.
These people are known to the Kemetians as Aamu.
No scholar credits Kemetic civilisation to Asiatic Aamu. Certainly the Kemetians never did, since they largely villified Asiatics as intruders.
And Asiatics did succeed finally - in destroying dynastic Kemet and replacing it with and alien culture which arrogantly postures on African soil to this day.
Here is your *mesopotamian* influence discribed by the KM.t 1st hand:
Pharoah will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler to bar [Asiatics] from entering [Egypt];
They shall beg water as supplicants so as to let their cattle drink. - Prophesy Neferti.
quote:
Originally posted by osiriun:
quote:The Hysoks brought peace and prosperity to Egypt!
Originally posted by rasol:
quote:There was never civilisation called Mesopotamia. Meso-potamia is a Greek word for and area between rivers. It has the same linguistic structure as Hippo-potamus, where Hippo is greek for horse and Meso is greek for middle and potam is river.
Osiriun, don't you find it odd that you feel, that just because people are rightfully characterizing ancient Nile Valley complexes as "African" and "by African", all of a sudden you - "Eurasians" - cease to get credit for "anything anymore
The people involved in ancient Levantine civilisaions like Akadia were Asiatics.
These people are known to the Kemetians as Aamu.
No scholar credits Kemetic civilisation to Asiatic Aamu. Certainly the Kemetians never did, since they largely villified Asiatics as intruders.
And Asiatics did succeed finally - in destroying dynastic Kemet and replacing it with and alien culture which arrogantly postures on African soil to this day.
Here is your *mesopotamian* influence discribed by the KM.t 1st hand:
Pharoah will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler to bar [Asiatics] from entering [Egypt];
They shall beg water as supplicants so as to let their cattle drink. - Prophesy Neferti.
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Are you sure about that?![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
quote:They were seen as invaders regardless of the properity they brought!
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:
Originally posted by osiriun:
quote:The Hysoks brought peace and prosperity to Egypt!
Originally posted by rasol:
quote:There was never civilisation called Mesopotamia. Meso-potamia is a Greek word for and area between rivers. It has the same linguistic structure as Hippo-potamus, where Hippo is greek for horse and Meso is greek for middle and potam is river.
Osiriun, don't you find it odd that you feel, that just because people are rightfully characterizing ancient Nile Valley complexes as "African" and "by African", all of a sudden you - "Eurasians" - cease to get credit for "anything anymore
The people involved in ancient Levantine civilisaions like Akadia were Asiatics.
These people are known to the Kemetians as Aamu.
No scholar credits Kemetic civilisation to Asiatic Aamu. Certainly the Kemetians never did, since they largely villified Asiatics as intruders.
And Asiatics did succeed finally - in destroying dynastic Kemet and replacing it with and alien culture which arrogantly postures on African soil to this day.
Here is your *mesopotamian* influence discribed by the KM.t 1st hand:
Pharoah will build the Walls-of-the-Ruler to bar [Asiatics] from entering [Egypt];
They shall beg water as supplicants so as to let their cattle drink. - Prophesy Neferti.
Manetho (Ancient Egyptian priest) on the Hyksos:
In his reign, for what cause I know not, a blast of God smote us; and unexpectedly, from the regions of the East, invaders of obscure race marched in confidence of victory against our land. By main force they easily overpowered the rulers of the land, they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of the gods, and treated all the natives with a cruel hostility, massacring some and leading into slavery the wives and children of others. Finally, they appointed as king one of their number whose name was Salitis. He had his seat at Memphis, levying tribute from Upper and Lower Egypt, and leaving garrisons behind in the most advantageous positions. Above all, he fortified the district to the east, foreseeing that the Assyrians, as they grew stronger, would one day covet and attack his kingdom. - Manetho, Aegyptiaca., frag. 42, 1.75-79.2
quote:If you feel that the most logical followup to your post is rubbish, then you might want to drop this rubbish:
Originally posted by osiriun:
Rubbish. Of COURSE Egypt was African.
quote:Of what relevance are these trivial points to characterizing Egypt as being African, which is what you were whining about? If some one says that some "Asiatic" servants were here and there in Kemet, how does that affect anything about rightfully characterizing it 'African'?
Originally posted by osiriun:
Where's the Mesopatamian script/language/tools in Egypt? Where's the cultural and religious influence? Mesopatamia and Egypt are worlds apart. You had your oppourtunity to point that out but you are a weak poster.
Were Eurasians in Egypt since pre-Dynastic times? Sure they were but they were probably more like many Hispanic people in American society - semi-skilled laborers or migrant workers of some sort. Why couldn't you point that out.
quote:Where? Citation.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Why do many of you resort to emotional rantings and personal attacks rather than stick to scientific principals?
quote:
Originally posted by osiriun:
They were seen as invaders regardless of the prosperity they brought!
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Didn't you read that description by Manetho? How do you call all that destruction and subjugation "prosperity"?!quote:And since when did the U.S. burn down Mosques, kill men, and enslave women and children?! Seriously, Osiriun what are you thinking??
Somewhat like the Us in Iraq.
quote:Ah! I see now. You feel somewhat misled that there is no "Eurasian" credit in Egyptian civilization and you seem to be desperate for that. As I recall you expressed this notion last time you were here, alot this having to do with your Jewish 'heritage' and wanting to impart Kemet as part of that heritage.
Originally posted by Mystery Solver:
If you feel that the most logical followup to your post is rubbish, then you might want to drop this rubbish:
After some consideration, if Europeans can claim Greece as a completely White society then Egypt should be referred to as Black. I don't know where that leaves Eurasians though. [b]Seems like we don't get credit for anything anymore.
and...
Were Eurasians in Egypt since pre-Dynastic times? Sure they were but they were probably more like many Hispanic people in American society - semi-skilled laborers or migrant workers of some sort. Why couldn't you point that out. - Osiriun
quote:I haven't heard any news of U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women though I do not dismiss the possibility. As for murder, I don't even take all those stories of U.S troops committing "massacre" with a grain of salt as rightly, the only ones committing true massacres are Iraqi terorrists who resort to suicide bombings.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Rubbish. Look at the death toll in Iraq. Look at what is left of the infrastructure. The benefits to the Iraqi people may finally come but the Americans will be remembered for the atrocities (rape and murder of innocent civilians) and the abuse (Abdu Girabi) and the intent of plundering (Oir reserves).
Either way, again when has the U.S. actually razed to the ground Iraqi mosques or enslave people the same way the Hyksos did? They didn't so please do not involve modern politics into this ancient event. There is a board for that here.quote:LOL If you recall that particular writer you cited isn't from the Classical Greek period but from the Roman period. And well, Sundiata pretty much answered your reply.
As for the connection between Egypt and Mesopatamia. Are you sure there is no connection or is that like your answer to the question about classical writers and descriptions of Egyptians?
quote:Me 3!
Originally posted by blackman:
quote:Well said and I second that. Only a weak minded black person would be ashamed of being called black.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Sounds like a personal problem, but it surely has nothing to do with us African Americans who are proud of what we are........Black.
quote:The world may never know...
Originally posted by Charlie Bass:
I wonder why the aimed comments at American whites and blacks, the majority of whom don't waste their time talking about the race of the ancient Egyptians. Can people leave their veiled personal attacks out of this?
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quote:Y haplogroup F individuals.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
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quote:yes, because the are neither white or black,Bcak african male haplogroup are A, B, an E, and white ones are G,I,J,K and R.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ And you base this on.. the way they look?!
LOL Uh oh guys, looks like we have another 'one'.
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quote:Considering that Egypt is IN Africa, and was one of the cornerstones of African civilization, what could be more appropriate that it being studied under the banner of Afrocentrism?
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Indeed. Some whites complain about Afrocentrism when it comes to the study of Egypt
quote:So, egyptians are black truly and not an unique ethnicity as others say?
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ You make no sense. First of all, those are obviously all photos of black men. And second you cannot correlate haplogroups to skin color or phenotype. For example, R is also carried by West African Cameroonians while E is also found in Greeks.
Looks like you are just another person who knows not what he says.
quote:yes, melanesians and the "negrito" are also black, I agree with you on that part.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ 'Black' is a reference to skin-color NOT ethnicity. There are black peoples from Africa through the tropics of Asia all the way to the Pacific! Also what is so 'unique' about their ethnicity. They were an African group speaking an Afrasian language closely related to other African groups like the Beja and practiced a culture very similar to many other Africans, including West Africans!
And?...
quote:It simply applies to the classification of a particular African language phylum that emerged in east Africa over 10,000 years ago, which should very well be labeled "African", but isn't. Therefore, for sake of standard nomenclature, it actually does exist and designates this said language phylum that is found spoken through out Africa and SW Asia, but predominantly in Africa, where it emerged:
Originally posted by KemsonReloaded:
There is not such thing as "Afrasian" or "Afriasian". It never existed!
quote:
It simply applies to the classification of a particular African language phylum that emerged in east Africa over 10,000 years ago, which should very well be labeled "African", but isn't.
quote:As I said, there is no such thing as "Afrasian" or "Afriasian". "Negro-Egyptian" is the correct term. Even if it's spoken outside Africa, it belongs to the Negro or Black African language family and should be termed as such (Negro-Egyptian).
...it...designates this said language phylum that is found spoken through out Africa and SW Asia, but predominantly in Africa, where it emerged
quote:but Egyptians are for sure, but are they of the Sub-Saharan race.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
^But they are not Africans, so your point is moot basically.. This of course goes back to your silly implication of "black" being an ethnic appellation.
quote:1) What on God's green earth is a "sub-Saharan race"?
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:but Egyptians are for sure, but are they of the Sub-Saharan race.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
[qb] ^But they are not Africans, so your point is moot basically.. This of course goes back to your silly implication of "black" being an ethnic appellation.
quote:- Crawford, Keith. "The Biological Relationship of The Ancient Egyptians to Other Populations"
Studies of linkage disequilibrium and allelic variation at a mini-satellite locus suggests that "Hamitic" Africoids are descended from sub-Saharan Africans, the differences in trait probably due to genetic drift and environmental selection. Ancient Egyptian populations with ‘non-Negroid” facial features are most similar to these modern "Hamitic" (Elongated Africoid) populations of Northeast Africa. Preliminary studies with Mitochondrial DNA also suggest affiliations with sub-Sharan Africans for ancient Egyptians and some modern Egyptian groups. Within an evolutionary paradigm, differences between Upper and Lower Egyptians once thought to be racially-influenced differences, can now be alternatively interpreted as clinal variation, an expression of environmental selection. The ancient Egyptians have limb proportions and other features of their stature that are the same as all other African populations but different from Caucasoids in Europe and Asia. These adaptations indicate a long period of evolution in tropical regions. Since Egypt is not in tropical Africa, these observations reinforce sub-Saharan Africa as the region of origin for the ancient Egyptians. Collectively, all of these data strongly support an African bio-historical affiliation for the ancient Egyptians and their closest relationships with other Africoids. The ancient Egyptians were most similar to populations inhabiting Northeast Africa, which included variants with Broad (Negroid), Elongated (Hamitic) and Nilotic facial traits.
quote:It's funny how people like you desprerately try to prove otherwise. There is a sticky at the top of this forum and other threads addressing and proving the original Ancient Egyptians (Kemetians) as indigenous Black Africans.
Originally posted by Issawi:
This is kind of funny..... this forum seems controlled mostly by black people who desperately want to believe the Egyptians were once black so they pass off Nubian people as Egyptians.
quote:Nubia is a part of Egypt and Sudan.
They pass off Nubian people as Egyptians.
quote:It's funnhy how white supremacists take into account the facial features on the statues of the ancient Egyptians like their straight noses and thin lips to prove that they were white, when East African blacks have had these features before whites existed. That's pretty pathetic. I guess you assume people are stupid. I believe whites are so desperate to claim that they were white by using false science.
Originally posted by Issawi:
This is kind of funny..... Yonis2 posts a few images of Egyptians people that look just like the scenes on the ancient tomb walls in egypt with the features/skin color and all that, and the little egyptian boy that looks like the Tutankhamun portrait with the same brown-bronze color of the the king, then someone pastes a few pictures mostly of Nubian people with black skin who look the like the tomb images of Nubians but not like the Egyptians at all? That's pretty pathetic. I guess you assume people are blind, or you're 12 years old? this forum seems controlled mostly by black people who desperately want to believe the Egyptians were once black so they pass off Nubian people as Egyptians.
quote:It really comes down to your perception of the race of the Somalian people since gentically speaking they are the closest to what the original Northeast Africans were before subsequent Eurasian and European admixture.
Originally posted by Issawi:
This is kind of funny..... Yonis2 posts a few images of Egyptians people that look just like the scenes on the ancient tomb walls in egypt with the features/skin color and all that, and the little egyptian boy that looks like the Tutankhamun portrait with the same brown-bronze color of the the king, then someone pastes a few pictures mostly of Nubian people with black skin who look the like the tomb images of Nubians but not like the Egyptians at all? That's pretty pathetic. I guess you assume people are blind, or you're 12 years old? this forum seems controlled mostly by black people who desperately want to believe the Egyptians were once black so they pass off Nubian people as Egyptians.
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:So what is you opinion in terms of the origins of the Ancient Egyptian people? Are they African, Eurasian of European people?
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:sub-saharan African are the black Africans, the negroid ones.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:1) What on God's green earth is a "sub-Saharan race"?
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:but Egyptians are for sure, but are they of the Sub-Saharan race.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
[qb] ^But they are not Africans, so your point is moot basically.. This of course goes back to your silly implication of "black" being an ethnic appellation.
"sub-Saharan Africa does not define/delimit authentic Africanity" - Keita, S. (2005)
2)quote:- Crawford, Keith. "The Biological Relationship of The Ancient Egyptians to Other Populations"
Studies of linkage disequilibrium and allelic variation at a mini-satellite locus suggests that "Hamitic" Africoids are descended from sub-Saharan Africans, the differences in trait probably due to genetic drift and environmental selection. Ancient Egyptian populations with ‘non-Negroid” facial features are most similar to these modern "Hamitic" (Elongated Africoid) populations of Northeast Africa. Preliminary studies with Mitochondrial DNA also suggest affiliations with sub-Sharan Africans for ancient Egyptians and some modern Egyptian groups. Within an evolutionary paradigm, differences between Upper and Lower Egyptians once thought to be racially-influenced differences, can now be alternatively interpreted as clinal variation, an expression of environmental selection. The ancient Egyptians have limb proportions and other features of their stature that are the same as all other African populations but different from Caucasoids in Europe and Asia. These adaptations indicate a long period of evolution in tropical regions. Since Egypt is not in tropical Africa, these observations reinforce sub-Saharan Africa as the region of origin for the ancient Egyptians. Collectively, all of these data strongly support an African bio-historical affiliation for the ancient Egyptians and their closest relationships with other Africoids. The ancient Egyptians were most similar to populations inhabiting Northeast Africa, which included variants with Broad (Negroid), Elongated (Hamitic) and Nilotic facial traits.
quote:The Negroid ones??? Negroid is an invalid term anyway. And are you trying to say that there are Negroid and non-Negroid black Africans??
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:sub-saharan African are the black Africans, the negroid ones.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:1) What on God's green earth is a "sub-Saharan race"?
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:but Egyptians are for sure, but are they of the Sub-Saharan race.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
[qb] ^But they are not Africans, so your point is moot basically.. This of course goes back to your silly implication of "black" being an ethnic appellation.
"sub-Saharan Africa does not define/delimit authentic Africanity" - Keita, S. (2005)
2)quote:- Crawford, Keith. "The Biological Relationship of The Ancient Egyptians to Other Populations"
Studies of linkage disequilibrium and allelic variation at a mini-satellite locus suggests that "Hamitic" Africoids are descended from sub-Saharan Africans, the differences in trait probably due to genetic drift and environmental selection. Ancient Egyptian populations with ‘non-Negroid” facial features are most similar to these modern "Hamitic" (Elongated Africoid) populations of Northeast Africa. Preliminary studies with Mitochondrial DNA also suggest affiliations with sub-Sharan Africans for ancient Egyptians and some modern Egyptian groups. Within an evolutionary paradigm, differences between Upper and Lower Egyptians once thought to be racially-influenced differences, can now be alternatively interpreted as clinal variation, an expression of environmental selection. The ancient Egyptians have limb proportions and other features of their stature that are the same as all other African populations but different from Caucasoids in Europe and Asia. These adaptations indicate a long period of evolution in tropical regions. Since Egypt is not in tropical Africa, these observations reinforce sub-Saharan Africa as the region of origin for the ancient Egyptians. Collectively, all of these data strongly support an African bio-historical affiliation for the ancient Egyptians and their closest relationships with other Africoids. The ancient Egyptians were most similar to populations inhabiting Northeast Africa, which included variants with Broad (Negroid), Elongated (Hamitic) and Nilotic facial traits.
quote:The original inhabits of the sahara, were Blacks. - geneticist, Cavelli Sforza.
sub-saharan African are the black Africans, the negroid ones.
quote:Oh yeah. If we go way way down South . . . like Georgia, they look like Congressman John Lewis:
Originally posted by osiriun:
Here is a Sub-Saharan Black:
And here is another Sub-Saharan Black:
And if we go way down to South Africa:
Maybe you are simply ignorant on what Black Africans look like?
quote:Foolish child.. There is nothing at all indicating a separation from ancient Sudanese populations and ancient Egyptians. In fact, a recent 2006 study by Brace suggests a greater similarity with modern Nubian ethnic groups to ancient Egyptians than modern Egyptians with the latter.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:- Brace (2006)
"The Niger-Congo speakers, Congo, Dahomey and Haya, cluster closely with each other and a bit less closely with the Nubian sample both the recent and the Bronze Age Nubians and more remotely with the Naqada Bronze Age sample of Egypt, the modern Somalis, and the Arabic-speaking Fellaheen (farmers) of Israel. When those samples are separated and run in a single analysis as in Fig. 1, there clearly is a tie between them that is diluted the farther one gets from sub-Saharan Africa". The other obvious matter shown in Fig. 3 is the separate identity of the northern Europeans.
quote:Obviously my question wasn't addressed by the poster above you so I will reiterate it..
Originally posted by osiriun:
Here is a Sub-Saharan Black:
And here is another Sub-Saharan Black:
And if we go way down to South Africa:
Maybe you are simply ignorant on what Black Africans look like?
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:I was talking about the Nubians who have a completely different language... and I am sorry to see you as deluded as your friends. The Besharin were known to the ancient Egyptians and were depicted much like the Nubian people, not Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians look just like the people in the pictures posted by Yonis2, anybody who looks at them can see that. It's clear that most of you have never been to Egypt, which is why you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Yom:
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:Ancient Egyptians were closer to the ancestral populations of the Beja and Bisharin than modern Egyptians. Some modern Egyptians have heavy influence from outside of Egypt and therefore many don't match the phenotype of ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:I was talking about the Nubians who have a completely different language... and I am sorry to see you as deluded as your friends. The Besharin were known to the ancient Egyptians and were depicted much like the Nubian people, not Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians look just like the people in the pictures posted by Yonis2, anybody who looks at them can see that. It's clear that most of you have never been to Egypt, which is why you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Yom:
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:It doesn't matter how many times you paste the pictures of Nubians because it's clear that they don't look like the ancient Egyptians but more like the ancient Nubians.... It's hilarious that you post portraits of light-skinned ancient egyptian women and say that they look like modern black Nubians. You probably tell yourselves that the women's color is not real but conveniently the men's color is. But don't let me interfere with your delusions.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Ancient Egyptians were closer to the ancestral populations of the Beja and Bisharin than modern Egyptians. Some modern Egyptians have heavy influence from outside of Egypt and therefore many don't match the phenotype of ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:I was talking about the Nubians who have a completely different language... and I am sorry to see you as deluded as your friends. The Besharin were known to the ancient Egyptians and were depicted much like the Nubian people, not Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians look just like the people in the pictures posted by Yonis2, anybody who looks at them can see that. It's clear that most of you have never been to Egypt, which is why you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Yom:
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
quote:there are only negroid Black Africans, the sub-saharid ones
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
quote:The Negroid ones??? Negroid is an invalid term anyway. And are you trying to say that there are Negroid and non-Negroid black Africans??
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:sub-saharan African are the black Africans, the negroid ones.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
quote:1) What on God's green earth is a "sub-Saharan race"?
Originally posted by prmiddleeastern:
quote:but Egyptians are for sure, but are they of the Sub-Saharan race.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
[qb] ^But they are not Africans, so your point is moot basically.. This of course goes back to your silly implication of "black" being an ethnic appellation.
"sub-Saharan Africa does not define/delimit authentic Africanity" - Keita, S. (2005)
2)quote:- Crawford, Keith. "The Biological Relationship of The Ancient Egyptians to Other Populations"
Studies of linkage disequilibrium and allelic variation at a mini-satellite locus suggests that "Hamitic" Africoids are descended from sub-Saharan Africans, the differences in trait probably due to genetic drift and environmental selection. Ancient Egyptian populations with ‘non-Negroid” facial features are most similar to these modern "Hamitic" (Elongated Africoid) populations of Northeast Africa. Preliminary studies with Mitochondrial DNA also suggest affiliations with sub-Sharan Africans for ancient Egyptians and some modern Egyptian groups. Within an evolutionary paradigm, differences between Upper and Lower Egyptians once thought to be racially-influenced differences, can now be alternatively interpreted as clinal variation, an expression of environmental selection. The ancient Egyptians have limb proportions and other features of their stature that are the same as all other African populations but different from Caucasoids in Europe and Asia. These adaptations indicate a long period of evolution in tropical regions. Since Egypt is not in tropical Africa, these observations reinforce sub-Saharan Africa as the region of origin for the ancient Egyptians. Collectively, all of these data strongly support an African bio-historical affiliation for the ancient Egyptians and their closest relationships with other Africoids. The ancient Egyptians were most similar to populations inhabiting Northeast Africa, which included variants with Broad (Negroid), Elongated (Hamitic) and Nilotic facial traits.
quote:Good job correcting ignorance Yom.
Originally posted by Yom:
The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
quote:^ Actually this forum is taken very seriously, which is why people like you are directed to it for purposes of education.
Iss writes: No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles
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quote:As an obvious testament that you don't know what you are talking about, you post an image of an African pygmy in Egypt and don't realize that Egyptians always identified dwarves as being representative of the ORIGINAL BLACK AFRICAN population of the Nile and the basis and reason for the God Bes, who was openly and clearly portrayed as a black African dwarf. Again, a prime example of people taking and distorting African history and culture. Where the ancient Egyptians saw themselves as connected to Africa ("God's Land") and its culture, you and others try and separate it, going AGAINST the ancients and their world view.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:It doesn't matter how many times you paste the pictures of Nubians because it's clear that they don't look like the ancient Egyptians but more like the ancient Nubians.... It's hilarious that you post portraits of light-skinned ancient egyptian women and say that they look like modern black Nubians. You probably tell yourselves that the women's color is not real but conveniently the men's color is. But don't let me interfere with your delusions.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Ancient Egyptians were closer to the ancestral populations of the Beja and Bisharin than modern Egyptians. Some modern Egyptians have heavy influence from outside of Egypt and therefore many don't match the phenotype of ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:I was talking about the Nubians who have a completely different language... and I am sorry to see you as deluded as your friends. The Besharin were known to the ancient Egyptians and were depicted much like the Nubian people, not Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians look just like the people in the pictures posted by Yonis2, anybody who looks at them can see that. It's clear that most of you have never been to Egypt, which is why you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Yom:
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
The Egyptian children look just like the ancient Egyptian children
quote:yes, they resemble negroes, but their skin is lighter.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
@ prmiddleeastern
Negroids don't exist. There is too much variability all over Africa to look for such a distinctly defined entity. Though for argument's sake, if there was a such thing, Egyptians would be included since there's no break between the supposed "classical negro" and that of the ancient Egyptian:
The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983). - Sonia Zakrzewski
quote:Yes, there are diversity in looks on Black Africans, perhaps in skin color they are related to each other, from brown to black.
Originally posted by osiriun:
Here is a Sub-Saharan Black:
And here is another Sub-Saharan Black:
And if we go way down to South Africa:
Maybe you are simply ignorant on what Black Africans look like?
quote:Thanks.
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Calling all new trolls,.. attention new trolls,.. there is a thread right at the very top of the board entitled The Race of the Ancient Egyptians, as well as a search engine that will allow you to look at all the past threads in the archives. All of this should educate your poor ignorant minds on the issue of 'race' and the ethnic identity of the Egyptians!
quote:And I find it hilarious how Afrangi Egyptians keep this incessant denial that all those photos of black people in Egypt are actual Egyptians and NOT 'Nubians'. In fact many scholars and Egyptologists from Champollion to modern day Frank Yurco (R.I.P) and even Zahi Hawass has stated that the rural Fellahin of Upper Egypt best represent how their ancestors (the ancient Egyptians) look like!
Originally posted by Issawi:
It doesn't matter how many times you paste the pictures of Nubians because it's clear that they don't look like the ancient Egyptians but more like the ancient Nubians....
quote:yes,I know about it, some are tall, some are small, and more distinct features.
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
Excuse me, prmiddleeastern, Africans are not related throught skin color. If that was the case then many South Indians and Aboriginals would be related to black Africans, but they're not. And Africans also have much more diverse characteristics besides skin color.
quote:First off, the is no such thing as a "Nubian". That term was used by the Racist Egyptologists to seperate Kmt, from Africa.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:It doesn't matter how many times you paste the pictures of Nubians because it's clear that they don't look like the ancient Egyptians but more like the ancient Nubians.... It's hilarious that you post portraits of light-skinned ancient egyptian women and say that they look like modern black Nubians. You probably tell yourselves that the women's color is not real but conveniently the men's color is. But don't let me interfere with your delusions.
Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Ancient Egyptians were closer to the ancestral populations of the Beja and Bisharin than modern Egyptians. Some modern Egyptians have heavy influence from outside of Egypt and therefore many don't match the phenotype of ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:I was talking about the Nubians who have a completely different language... and I am sorry to see you as deluded as your friends. The Besharin were known to the ancient Egyptians and were depicted much like the Nubian people, not Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians look just like the people in the pictures posted by Yonis2, anybody who looks at them can see that. It's clear that most of you have never been to Egypt, which is why you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Yom:
quote:The Bisharin are Beja and Beja (To-bedawie) speakers, an Afro-Asiatic language like Ancient Egyptian, and possibly the closest to the AE language. They're probably the best representatives still living in Egypt that have a phenotype similar to that of the ancient Egyptians. The Ababda are another Beja tribe living in Egypt north of the Bisharin, but some of them are mixed with Arabs.
Originally posted by Issawi:
quote:ha....in your dreams. Pretending to be Egyptians maybe, but any real Egyptian recognizes Egyptian and Nubian people right away. Anyone who is not blind, or is desparate to believe the egyptians were black, can see that the pictures of the Egyptians posted by Yonis2 look exactly like the tomb wall portraits of the ancient Egyptians. The Nubians are similar to the Egyptians in culture only. They are one of 2 black african peoples in Egypt (the Besharin are the other one). They speak a language that has nothing to do with the language written in hieroglyphs. The Egyptian Christians still pray in the ancient egyptian language.... You people seem so deluded you talk among yourselves so much that you start believing your own lies. No wonder no one takes this crap seriously outside of these little circles.
Originally posted by Sundiata:
Modern Egyptians who contribute to this site, most of whom hold this same justifiable view.
The Egyptian children look just like the ancient Egyptian children
quote:^ What's hilarious is how easy to refute your remarks is:
It's hilarious that you post portraits of light-skinned ancient egyptian women and say that they look like modern black Nubians
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