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^ The oldest fossil findings of in Southern Africa are those from Blombos cave, and dated to perhaps 80 thousand years ago.
As far as we know all the base African lineages originate in East Africa but East Africans have been migrating into southern Africa certainly for a longer and more continuous period of time than they have lived outside of Africa.
Keep in mind:
There is no barrier between East and South Africa, so the process of people migrating back and forth from East to South Africa has likely been continuous - not a singular event.
Proof of this is found in genetic studies showing the ancient affinities between East and South Africans.
Both have A lineages, both have B lineages [pre out of africa east african lineages], and both have E3b [aboriginal post ooa east african lineage].
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So Rasol u say the Base African lineages originated in East AFrica so is there anyone group of people that have the oldest DNA and can we say that all africans from East West South North all originated from one Tribe or is it an error to say that. Another thing to Africa and Rasol do the egyptians really come from Egypt or do they come from further south even past Sudan like the heart of the Nile in Uganda East AFrica maybe.
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When about a decade ago, the structure of the Y chromosome and mtdna was 1st revealed - it was common to say that the Khoisan of southern Africa were *the* direct ancestors of the original population.
This idea is echoed for instance in Spencer Wells genetics treatise - Journey of Man.
More recently however, it has also been discovered that equally ancient lineages exist elsewhere in Africa.
Here is what geneticist Sarah Tishkoff has to say:
Tishkoff and her colleagues chose to investigate East African peoples for specific reasons. The number of linguistic and cultural differences is unusually high in the region, as is the variation in physical appearance—East Africans are tall or short, darker-skinned or lighter-skinned, round-faced or narrow-faced, and so on. This observation suggested that the genetic composition of the population is highly diverse, and as expected, the team found substantial variation in the mtDNA. In fact, members of five of the lineages showed an exceptionally high number of mutations compared with other populations, indicating that these East African lineages are of great antiquity. Identified by tribal affiliation, these are: the Sandawe, who speak a "click" language related to that of the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert; the Burunge and Gorowaa, who migrated to Tanzania from Ethiopia within the last five thousand years; and the Maasai and the Datog, who probably originated in the Sudan. The efforts of the University of Maryland group reflect a substantially larger database and more certain geographic origins for its subjects than earlier mtDNA studies. Further, the work by Tishkoff's team reveals that these five East African populations have even older origins than the !Kung San of southern Africa, who previously had the oldest known mtDNA.
"These samples showed really deep, old lineages with lots of genetic diversity," Tishkoff says. "They are the oldest lineages identified to date. And that fact makes it highly likely that 'Eve' was an East or Northeast African. My guess is that the region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated.
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The San are the aboriginal people of Southern Africa, st least as far as the fossil evidence indicates. Fossils previously labelled Khoisan in the past have now been classed and being more similar to the broad trend west-central Bantu peoples.
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So Rasol u think This Mrs. Tishkoff is right when she says My guess is that the Region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated so this would destroy every one who claims that the Egyptians were not african then this would be very interesting to say that even whites are from Africa.
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quote:Originally posted by Hikuptah: So Rasol u think This Mrs. Tishkoff is right when she says My guess is that the Region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated so this would destroy every one who claims that the Egyptians were not african then this would be very interesting to say that even whites are from Africa.
The human species is African in origin, but Kemetians, like Zulus, or Kung! bushman, or Taureg, are primarly descendant from people who never left Africa.
This is what it means to be a native African and that is what the AE were.
We know this from genetics because the population of Upper Egypt even today has predominently East African originated Pn2 lineages. The PN2 clade is E3a and E3b. A clade is a blood-line. Kemetians can thus be defined as primarily of African bloodline.
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^Although you have some people who are disturbed by this FACT which makes proclaim some baseless theory of migrations going back into Africa as long ago as "50,000" or other! LOLPosts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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