I just got done reading the last pages of the Aethopid sh*t thread, and I must say I am very disappointed!
Not because of the Meskel and Swish hyenas idiotic and outrageous posts, but because some of you have not only fed those trolls more than they needed, but you also became corrupted by their ethnic/racial bigotry! This was suppose to be everyone else rational against ignorance, even if that ignorance happened to be from the Horn of Africa. Then quickly it turned into another West African and/or Bantu vs. Horn Africans again!! Some of you even began attacking the innocent Somalis who harbor no such ignorance or hatred.
This goes out to all the intelligent posters in here veteran and new! DO NOT LET THE TROLLS INFECT YOU WITH THEIR ABOMINABLE IGNORANCE AND APATHY!! We have enough of that from them! Do not allow yourselves to be corrupted! There is only so much you can do to 'enlighten' some folks. But some folks cannot be taught or educated because their mind is so corrupted with ignorance and hate that their psyche literally rots from it. Meskel is a perfect example of that.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Also, those who respond to the troll in the same manner of racial/ethnic attacks seem to have just as much a low self-esteem as the troll himself!
I feel the best way to hurt (destroy) the troll is by roasting him with the fire of truth! This was exactly what we did to Evil-Euro, and no matter how much he insulted people with racial slurs and other nonsense we ignored all that and continued positing truth and facts on this board while he continued to posit bullsh** to no avail.
Don't feed the trolls with the same sh*t this dish out, feed them with something positive and real for it will only give them food poisoning. These trolls have been poisoned so much with pointless baseless hatred for so long, they react to truth and factual knowledge like a poison. Just like a vampire reacts to holy water!
Which is why I have an idea. Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
one thing i did noticed when Euro_evil was around nobody attacked his background
i wonder why?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
quote:one thing i did noticed when Euro_evil was around nobody attacked his background
i wonder why?
That is not true. Although I didn't like it, Thought and Supercar did on numerous occasions brought up Evil-Euro's southern European background with epithets like "wop" and "spaghetti eating" LOL .
The main thing that got to Euro, was the constant reminder of the undeniable fact that he and many of his southern European breathren have black African ancestry! Posted by GambA (Member # 12003) on :
quote:Djehuti: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Meskel:
Bantu way of thinking using thick headlol. Tell your moderator to check IP. All of those are different and I don't even know them. All horners know what bantus are all about. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather be a Bantu (human being) than a dumb hyena! LOL
I told this guy I wasn't even black, but of course his mind has sunk to a level that even a legless midget Bantu slave will not faulter! LOL
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: [qb] swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
yonis knows his history and he's half somali
Posted by X-Ras (Member # 10328) on :
This forum needs to be put out of its misery, I swar it needs to be, I don't know why Ausar doesn't pull the plug, this place is nothing like it used to be. I'd rather have Evil Euro and Horemheb back than deal with the the current crop of trolls.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: [qb] swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
yonis knows his history and he's half somali
Half Somali and half what? Wow, all these people claiming to be different things that aren't actually true (not directed at you Yonis, but I did think you were full Somali). So are the only 100% "Horn Africans" here me, Queen, Ceelgabo, and you (ignoring Dahlak, who was Rashaida Eritrean)?
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
Like you, the worst of all trolls is someone who hides behind alias, and suddenly switches to some scientific mode when it fits him==>>
The only thing more worse than a troll, is a troll with no balls.
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yom:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: [qb] swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
yonis knows his history and he's half somali
Half Somali and half what? Wow, all these people claiming to be different things that aren't actually true (not directed at you Yonis, but I did think you were full Somali). So are the only 100% "Horn Africans" here me, Queen, Ceelgabo, and you (ignoring Dahlak, who was Rashaida Eritrean)?
LOL i'm full somali, he's talking about swish.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
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Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yom:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: [qb] swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
yonis knows his history and he's half somali
Half Somali and half what? Wow, all these people claiming to be different things that aren't actually true (not directed at you Yonis, but I did think you were full Somali). So are the only 100% "Horn Africans" here me, Queen, Ceelgabo, and you (ignoring Dahlak, who was Rashaida Eritrean)?
swish is half Yonis is full
but i allready know wich road this topic is going
and i aint got time for that
got classes to catch peace
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: Like you, the worst of all trolls is someone who hides behind alias, and suddenly switches to some scientific mode when it fits him==>>
The only thing more worse than a troll, is a troll with no balls.
What?! I hope that post is intended for X-Ras or somebody else, because I have never used another alias. Yom3, for example, was Meskel, using my name without permission.
quote:LOL i'm full somali, he's talking about swish.
Oh, okay, sorry. It wasn't clear from the context.
Posted by X-Ras (Member # 10328) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: Like you, the worst of all trolls is someone who hides behind alias, and suddenly switches to some scientific mode when it fits him==>>
The only thing more worse than a troll, is a troll with no balls.
If I have something to say to you I'll say it to you, I'm not hiding behind no stinking alias and you're starting to irritate me by mentioning my name is something everytime, why in the hell would I not have balls to confront you or anybody, especially online, whats the worst that can happen to me? Just shut up man, I don't even want to argue with you.
Posted by Prince_of_punt (Member # 9845) on :
The troll problem is escalating fast!
We need an extermination squad.
Posted by Herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
Apologies to all TRUE Somalians on the thread. I have had quite a few bad experiences with Somalians (in Woolwich Asernal "wha' blow rude boy?" ) and I do have my "prejudices" but really, I got love for all peoples (even White people; they are a very complicated bunch who if you *generally* get to know them can be very impartial/helpful/loving folks...).
THAT SAID, I do have my daily internal battles between Heru/Set .
Posted by Herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
^^As Above, So Below
Ancient Egpyt Rocks Posted by Arwa (Member # 11172) on :
quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: Apologies to all TRUE Somalians on the thread. I have had quite a few bad experiences with Somalians (in Woolwich Asernal "wha' blow rude boy?" ) and I do have my "prejudices" but really, I got love for all peoples (even White people; they are a very complicated bunch who if you *generally* get to know them can be very impartial/helpful/loving folks...).
THAT SAID, I do have my daily internal battles between Heru/Set .
Who wrote the article?
By the way, you're acting worse than a TROLL!
Posted by Herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
^^How am I acting worse than a troll? I am only being honest! I have sincerely apologised to the Somalians, I tried to make peace, what's your issue?
Posted by nur23_you55ouf (Member # 10191) on :
You guys are also pretty pathetic in bringing sensitive areas of a population such as slavery, a country's economic status, or starvation. (all of which are irrelevent when dealing with an annoying poster!)
Even the ones i deemed "mature" aren't even capable of taming a troll without stooping to their level! (you know who you are)
Although it's fun to watch these flame wars. Posted by Arwa (Member # 11172) on :
quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: ^^How am I acting worse than a troll? I am only being honest! I have sincerely apologised to the Somalians, I tried to make peace, what's your issue?
Your apology is nothing but crocodile tears! What was the reason to post the degrading article?
Posted by X-Ras (Member # 10328) on :
Lets exile to another forum, until sammy bans the trolls.
Posted by Herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
err... I didn't know the article was degrading, I didn't even read it, it popped up on a "woolwich somalia" google search and a quick scan through it showed me it was about the area and I linked it to add some more info to the post.
Dude, it matters not what you think but I don't have any real problems with the Somalians as a people and I kinda like them, to be honest.
Posted by salah (Member # 11739) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yom:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: [qb] swish is leba/shouf his mother is egyptian but he pretends he's somali and drags us all into this sh1t
All the more reason you should not allow the hyena to grab you with his jaws to drag you in the first place!
So you mean to tell me the guy is not Somali at all?!
yonis knows his history and he's half somali
Half Somali and half what? Wow, all these people claiming to be different things that aren't actually true (not directed at you Yonis, but I did think you were full Somali). So are the only 100% "Horn Africans" here me, Queen, Ceelgabo, and you (ignoring Dahlak, who was Rashaida Eritrean)?
I am a true horn african . somali.
Posted by nur23_you55ouf (Member # 10191) on :
quote: So are the only 100% "Horn Africans" here me, Queen, Ceelgabo, and you (ignoring Dahlak, who was Rashaida Eritrean)?
Harari Posted by mali (Member # 7606) on :
shouf/lebas a confused brawini kid trying to be accepted by his somali peers....and habesha aka meskel the pan ethiopist...lol they got under your skin (see horner thread)..ignor them...aside from that like some other posters said i really didnt expect certain posters to engage in a word war with these kids... its pretty funny seeing how the same posters complain about these trolls but yet bicker with them.....must be a result of insecurities they share with these trolls...
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger:
Everyone note the 3rd characteristic of a troll! Make note of it very well, for the trolls seem to be having some success in that department!!
That is what I mean by not just being affected but being infected by trolls.
Posted by nur23_you55ouf (Member # 10191) on :
Djehuti it was indeed an infection since evil E and hore left one hell of an open wound in these forums! Posted by Arwa (Member # 11172) on :
Herukhuti,
Peace be upon you Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
Meskel got me super upset after reading everything. I will tell you why.
I spent a lot of time looking into the Amhara culture of Ethiopia. I read the Kebra Negast(Glory of the Kings) which chronicles the story of the Queen of Sheba and scanned through the Fetha Negast (The Law of the Kings), which does have sections on laws for slavery.
It has been I who spoke up for the Amharic Christian culture to Whites in forums that you know nothing about. I defended the Ethiopian Jews in many places. Who has ben more of a loud mouth Judeo-Christian on Afrocentric boards that I?
People of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church tried to convert me. They want to convert many African Americans. But, are Meskel's beliefs shared by other Ethiopian Amhara and Tigray people?
Guess who was trying to learn Amharic? Yeah! Meskel essentially kicked me in the teeth. And if you are wondering, Meskel refers to the True Cross of Christ. Part of it was taken to Ethiopia from Queen Helena.
The Amhara and Tigreans have kept alive the most anaphoras of the Apostles and other Christian leaders. They have save the most ancient texts of Christianity. Their Biblical canon is the largest in Christianity with 81 books. They have the only complete copy of the Book of Enoch and they have the Book of Jubilees. Ethiopia has probably hidden within that land other rare Hebrew and Geez texts going back to the roots of the Judeo-Christian heritage.
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is more Jewish than Judaism and the Ethiopian Jews have Christians have the truest forms of both religions.
Yet, Meskel slapped African Americans in the face. I've met about 9 Ethiopians/Eritreans face to face in my life and I never had a problem with them. But, who knows? My lips and nose are relatively thin. I am slender and I was of a lighter complexion than all of them. Who knows what they really think?
I've heard that when African Americans and Carribeans were beginning to think about Ethiopianism at the beginning of the 20th Century that the Ethiopians prefered lighter skinned Blacks from the West.
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
Wendem (Brother) Meskel has been a real pain in the neck. But, where did he get that from? The half-English Bob Marley converted to the EOTC and Rastafarianism is based on the adoration of Ras Tafari, the Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah. The religious icons of the Ethiopian Christian Church usually show ligh skinned Blacks as heros. Yet, demons are shown as very dark.
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
So, isn't ironic? It has been the Asian Djehuti who has defended Black culture and the Blacknes of the people of Kemet just as well as anyone could. While, Meskel has attacked the vary African Americans who are best postioned to help the ancient homeland of African Christianity. He doesn't realize that if it were not for African Americans in high places nd influential places in the USA, perhaps Africa would have been wiped out. No joke.
God Bless America
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
Abstract: The Italo-Ethiopian War of 1935 was instrumental in the rebirth of the Pan-African Movement. Mussolini's ambition of empire-building in Africa turned into mass uprisings for self-determination and freedom. It was a rallying point for race consciousness and solidarity. The War was unprovoked and brutal. International diplomacy failed to stop it. The United States under the pretext of a policy of neutrality refused to heed the plea of Ethiopians for military weapons.
African Americans were stirred by the invasion of Ethiopia. They organized themselves and protested vigorously. Interviews, an examination of primary sources, newspaper articles of the 1930's, and reviews of books and journals clearly showed the level of depth of African American organization against the War. Harlem served as the nerve center of this activity.
The campaign against the War became a prelude to the planning and conducting of the 1945 Pan-African Conference in Manchester, England. At this Conference, Pan- African leaders passed resolutions which demanded an end to colonialism and called for self-determination of all African people. New generations of Pan-African leaders like Melaku E. Bayen, John Robinson, Willis N. Huggins, C.L.R. James, George Padmore, and Kwame Nkrumah, provided excellent leadership and guidance to the newly emerged mass organizations and movements.
Ethiopia began to "re-Africanize" as a result of the War experience. The racial policies of the Italians and the massive support of Diasporic and continental Africans for the Ethiopian cause induced Ethiopians to positively reassess their link with the African world. In spite of this, Ethiopia's image presented dual meanings. The African World image of Ethiopia was based on the symbolic significance of Ethiopia and its ability to retain its sovereignty. Ethiopia's image of itself was not only different from the African world image, but, at times, tended to negate the Pan-African sense of racial identity and solidarity. The duality of this imagery appeared to contribute both to the rise and decline of the Pan-African Movements.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
MRC, don't get the wrong impression because of one deluded poster. I am beginning to doubt his Ethiopianness, according to Nur, he is 1/4 Tigray, 1/4 "Amhara," and 1/2 Benishangul-Gumuz, but those may have been invented figures. If it is true, then I guess his fanaticism is due to some perceived impurity due to being 1/2 Benishangul-Gumuz (?), two Nilo-Saharan speaking tribes of very dark complexion. Who knows. Either way, know that most Horn Africans are not like that; don't say that all whites are racist due to one incident.
By the way, you're right that the light-skinned portrayal of Biblical figures is not simply because they lived in Israel (Ethiopian figures are also portrayed with that color), but the color of the Devil is more often navy or dark blue than black.
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
Amharic in Harlem Matt Yanchyshyn @ 7:34 am Benn loxo listener, Tristra, sent me some really great new music the other day. Bole 2 Harlem are an Ethiopian-American group out of NYC who combine traditional Ethiopian sounds with hiphop and other contemporary American styles.
The album grew out of Saturday night jam sessions at NYC Moroccan-French restaurant L’Orange Bleue. The mix of Ethiopian, American and Malian musicians who played together there everntually decided to put out an album.
I’m all about fusion and getting people otherwise not bothered about African music to give it a listen. It’s great, then, to see groups like this who make something that sounds cool to the young, urban American ear even while incorporating foreign styles.
You’ll hear this album played at parties and in taxis in both Ethiopia and North America.. that kind of successful musical bridging is rare. It’s also cool to hear some contemporary Ethopian-inspired sounds that aren’t from the “golden age” of Addis Ababa in the 1960s and 1970s.
You can grab Bole2Harlem on Amazon or at a good record shop after it’s release in the US on November 21st. Check-out their web site for more info. I’m loving the second track, Home, this morning…
Bole 2 Harlem - Bole 2 Harlem Bole2Harlem - Home
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
The first major exhibition to examine the diversity and significance of contemporary visual arts of the Ethiopian diaspora will be opened at the Smithsonian’s national Museum of African Art in Washington DC next Friday, the organizers said in a letter sent to Addis Tribune. “Ethiopian Passages: Dialogues in the Diaspora” continues through next October.
The exhibition coincides with the 100th anniversary of U.S.-Ethiopia diplomatic relations. According to the organizers, the exhibition also recognizes the unique role Howard University had played in nurturing Ethiopian artists.
“Ethiopian Passages,” which includes paintings, works on paper, sculpture, digital photography and mixed media pieces, brings together the works of 10 contemporary artists working throughout the diaspora. They are Elizabeth Atnafu, Skunder Boghossian, Achamyeleh Debela, Wosene Kosrof, Julie Mehretu, Aida Muluneh, Etiye Dimma Poulsen, Mickael Bethe-Selassie, Kebedech Tekleab and Elizabeth Habte-Wold.
While the featured artists were born in Ethiopia, they currently live and work in France, Ethiopia or the United States. Three of the artists – Kebedech Tekleab, Skunder Boghossian and Aida Muluneh – live in Washington. Six have been associated with Howard University at one time or another.
“By no means comprehensive in scope, this exhibition seeks to showcase the important relationship between creativity and diaspora experience,” said Elizabeth Harney, the museum’s curator of contemporary art and organizer of the exhibition. “It provides us with a unique opportunity to focus on a vibrant group of artists and to reach broad audiences,” a press release issued by the organizers quoted Harney as saying.
“Perhaps more than any other African people in the late 20th century, Ethiopians embarked on journeys, both near and far,” Harney added. “Ethiopian Passages” asks how condtions of exile and movement have helped to define artists’ oeuvres. Moreover, it questions outdated and misleading definitions of Africa as a closed universe, and notions of identity as fixed and primordial.”
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yom: MRC, don't get the wrong impression because of one deluded poster. I am beginning to doubt his Ethiopianness, according to Nur, he is 1/4 Tigray, 1/4 "Amhara," and 1/2 Benishangul-Gumuz, but those may have been invented figures. If it is true, then I guess his fanaticism is due to some perceived impurity due to being 1/2 Benishangul-Gumuz (?), two Nilo-Saharan speaking tribes of very dark complexion. Who knows. Either way, know that most Horn Africans are not like that; don't say that all whites are racist due to one incident.
Of course, I'm not surprised that Meskel and many others like him have deeply rooted psychological issues concerning their own identity! To be honest, I won't be surprised if he has Bantu ancestry! LOL
And of course, not everyone let alone many people in the Horn are like him!
quote:By the way, you're right that the light-skinned portrayal of Biblical figures is not simply because they lived in Israel (Ethiopian figures are also portrayed with that color), but the color of the Devil is more often navy or dark blue than black.
Are you sure such portrayals don't have anything to do with foreign, more "northern" influence? Remember, most Indian icons don't resemble the vast majority of Indians in terms of complexion. The Indian deity Krishna was traditionally represented as black or very dark brown but is also now depicted as 'blue' and even light blue.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by MyRedCow: So, isn't ironic? It has been the Asian Djehuti who has defended Black culture and the Blacknes of the people of Kemet just as well as anyone could. While, Meskel has attacked the vary African Americans who are best postioned to help the ancient homeland of African Christianity. He doesn't realize that if it were not for African Americans in high places nd influential places in the USA, perhaps Africa would have been wiped out. No joke.
God Bless America
Red, I defend all peoples and cultures against ignorant and bigotry. Ignorance is ignorance no matter who it comes from, whether a white supremacist or a very confused Ethiopian!
And yes I am proud to be an American. Posted by Herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
African-Americans rock!
*Djehuti, are you a Black Asian?
Posted by Prince_of_punt (Member # 9845) on :
Theres a conspiracy in these forums.
The troll problem needs to be dealt with fast, otherwise this whole website will go down as just anothet place for.......... (use your imagination)
I think this forum initially had a very sound base, whereby people were releaved of their ignorance with factual information on Egyptians as well as Africans. But it seems that some people did not take to well to the whole idea!
Therefore to all the legitimate and bonefied posters of this website and those who have common sense, think next time before you reply to some one who hijacks an ethnicity and country in order to start civil war in this place!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: African-Americans rock!
*Djehuti, are you a Black Asian?
LOL No, just Asian but I get that alot from folks in this forum!
You don't have to be black to defend truth and fight ignorance.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Prince_of_punt: Theres a conspiracy in these forums.
The troll problem needs to be dealt with fast, otherwise this whole website will go down as just anothet place for.......... (use your imagination)
I think this forum initially had a very sound base, whereby people were releaved of their ignorance with factual information on Egyptians as well as Africans. But it seems that some people did not take to well to the whole idea!
Therefore to all the legitimate and bonefied posters of this website and those who have common sense, think next time before you reply to some one who hijacks an ethnicity and country in order to start civil war in this place!
^^Indeed, when the facts don't come out to the liking of some individuals with issues, they try to ruin the source of these facts.
Unfortunately some folks in here play right into these demented individuals' hands, by engaging in their ethnic or racial bashing.
*sigh*
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
But how do we know that Meskel REALLY is bona fide Ethiopian? Generally, African people are much more relaxed on ethnicity under normal circumstances. And in the case of Ethiopia there is a vast archival literature on Ethiopians by the inter WW I and II Italians--who invaded and colonised Ethiopia for about 5 years before they were pressure out by the other European powers-- that is thoroughly insulting in the racial sense--with frequent references to the evolutionary sense.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: African-Americans rock!
*Djehuti, are you a Black Asian?
LOL No, just Asian but I get that alot from folks in this forum!
You don't have to be black to defend truth and fight ignorance.
Cool. I really respect how you stand up for truth & black peops on this forum. I have definitely learnt a lot from your posts. I've got a long time friend from Nepal, sharp, well spoken, excellent dude in any context. Asians Rock! Posted by Bantu (Member # 12135) on :
quote:Originally posted by GambA:
quote:Djehuti: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Meskel:
Bantu way of thinking using thick headlol. Tell your moderator to check IP. All of those are different and I don't even know them. All horners know what bantus are all about. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd rather be a Bantu (human being) than a dumb hyena! LOL
I told this guy I wasn't even black, but of course his mind has sunk to a level that even a legless midget Bantu slave will not faulter! LOL
You people don't give up do you? You always must have the last word. LOL! Let me reitarate Keep bantu out of you fantisy of we built-egypt- sh*t and are therefore-are -better- than -bla,bla bullsh*t.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: But how do we know that Meskel REALLY is bona fide Ethiopian? Generally, African people are much more relaxed on ethnicity under normal circumstances. And in the case of Ethiopia there is a vast archival literature on Ethiopians by the inter WW I and II Italians--who invaded and colonised Ethiopia for about 5 years before they were pressure out by the other European powers-- that is thoroughly insulting in the racial sense--with frequent references to the evolutionary sense.
Occupied, not colonized (e.g. France was occupied, not colonized, by the Germans), and only a few major cities and roads at that.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bantu: You people don't give up do you? You always must have the last word. LOL! Let me reitarate Keep bantu out of you fantisy of we built-egypt- sh*t and are therefore-are -better- than -bla,bla bullsh*t.
I don't know who this is directed to, but I hope you know that 'Bantus' have nothing to do with Egypt or slaves.
That said, I hope folks (other than the trolls) heal and now better resist infection from trolls.
Posted by salah (Member # 11739) on :
i hope that desecnt or whatever his name is gets baned or is baned by now .
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
To YOM:
No big deal here, but to colonise a place means to invade, control and impose aspects of one culture. The Italians did impose aspects of their culture--architecture mainly-- on Ethiopia-Eritrea. There were even some Italians(priests and fortune seekers) who settled there--and Italy later became the first port of migration call for Eriteans and Ethiopians. And that confiscated national symbol Stele was only recently returned--which means a lack of agency over cultural property for decades.
Unlike their first foray into Ethiopia--where they were defeated--the Italians under Facist Mussolini would have fully colonised the Horn were it not for the British military response which amusingly enough used troops from their other African colonies. No big deal here because even the British with their "sun never set" empire were colonised by the Romans who sent some of them to Rome as slaves too.
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
quote:Originally posted by salah: i hope that desecnt or whatever his name is gets baned or is baned by now .
LOL, why do you care?
That guy decadent is a loser a nobody a coward nobody at that, who's been suddenly poping up from nowhere when he feels somalis are being to cocky and quickly disapears to suddenly pop up again when things get heated Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: To YOM:
No big deal here, but to colonise a place means to invade, control and impose aspects of one culture. The Italians did impose aspects of their culture--architecture mainly-- on Ethiopia-Eritrea. There were even some Italians(priests and fortune seekers) who settled there--and Italy later became the first port of migration call for Eriteans and Ethiopians. And that confiscated national symbol Stele was only recently returned--which means a lack of agency over cultural property for decades.
Unlike their first foray into Ethiopia--where they were defeated--the Italians under Facist Mussolini would have fully colonised the Horn were it not for the British military response which amusingly enough used troops from their other African colonies. No big deal here because even the British with their "sun never set" empire were colonised by the Romans who sent some of them to Rome as slaves too.
Let's not turn this into another 'which African nation was worse affected by colonialism than another' debate again.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
To Bantu:
Comments please?
"The term 'BANTU' was first defined by Dr. William Bleek in his book published in 1862 entitled A COMPARATIVE GRAMMAR OF SOUTH AFRICAN LANGUAGES. Bleek observed that nearly every language spoken on the southeren third of the African continet used prefixes that could be attributed to a set of what he called 'Proto-Prefixes," presupposing a generic relationship and implying an aboriginal source....Moreover there is an increasing agreement as to the homeland of the bantu speaking people and what is more important, their relationship with the speakers of West African languages forming a larger speaking group known as Niger-Kordofanian".PROBLEMS OF AFRICAN HISTORY--BANTU ORIGINS AND MIGRATIONS, edited by R.Collins et al. 1993
Question: did the Bantus spread through the southern part of Africa or did a CORE group just impose its language and culture on other Africans resident in that part of Africa?
But here's what arch imperialist "Sir" Harry Johnston(writing circa 1919--the heyday of British Imperialism in Africa)--one of those Englishmen part time anthropologists who rumbled through the African continent encased in khaki shorts, pith helmets and a big bore rifle for the elephants and lions and any African who crossed their paths in the wrong way--had to say on the issue of the Bantu:
The Bantu-speaking peoples of Africa, it might be stated, do not constitute a race apart from other Negroes(sic) or offer any homogeneity of physical type....Bantu languages are spoken by Congo Pygmies and forest Negroes of marked prognathism and stunted stature, by fuzzy-haired brown skinned Fernandians still in stone and wood age of culture, by tall-statured pale-skinned Negroids with Egyptian profiles--the Bahima and the Batutsi, by great burly, coarse-featured, downright, "West Coast" Negroes like the Wyamenzi, the Baganda,and the folk of the Angola highlands, by tribes with yellow skins, broad, wrinkled faces of the slit-eyed Bushmen, by the very black-skinned, large-eyed, comely Atonga of Nyasa, the semi Arah Swahin or Karaiia, the stately Zulu, the mean-looking Batwa of Bangwelu, the Assyrian-like Baluba and Busongo, the simiesque Bannadi of the Ituri forest....In spite of the suggestion of Egyptian influence in the domestic animals and plants of bantu Africa(as also of the Western Sudan) and of the Egyptian profiles of the Bahima, I cannot but think that this "Egyptian influence" over the Bantu was wrought indirectly...through more or less Hamitic peoples influenced by Egyptian civilization of of an early type....The spread of the more aristocratic "Negroid" Bantu is also assocaited with the Ancient Egyptian or Gala long-horned ox. This breed POSSIBLY had a West Asiatic origin and it is evidently related to the Indian humped ox...."(pp. 63--67, Collins et al.) Posted by GambA (Member # 12003) on :
That's really a lot of garbage: F for Bleek. That's why the likes of Keita, Hierniaux are so important to bring the truth forward and to refute some Eurocentric garbage above. The only interesting part is that there are people who speak Bantu languages, who doesn't really fit Meskel or Bantu's description of Bantus: The Bahima and Batutsi:and share the same haplogroups as Bantus and West Africans, on top of that you have the Fulani who speak a Bantu related language belonging to the Niger-Congo family, but have thin noses and elongated features:
GambA
Posted by nur23_you55ouf (Member # 10191) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: To YOM:
No big deal here, but to colonise a place means to invade, control and impose aspects of one culture. The Italians did impose aspects of their culture--architecture mainly-- on Ethiopia-Eritrea. There were even some Italians(priests and fortune seekers) who settled there--and Italy later became the first port of migration call for Eriteans and Ethiopians. And that confiscated national symbol Stele was only recently returned--which means a lack of agency over cultural property for decades.
Unlike their first foray into Ethiopia--where they were defeated--the Italians under Facist Mussolini would have fully colonised the Horn were it not for the British military response which amusingly enough used troops from their other African colonies. No big deal here because even the British with their "sun never set" empire were colonised by the Romans who sent some of them to Rome as slaves too.
Ironic how fellow africans deem ethiopia colonized when here in the U.S., text books made most likely by whites consider ethiopia independent. (not to mention various other sources)
Posted by Meskel (Member # 11979) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: To YOM:
No big deal here, but to colonise a place means to invade, control and impose aspects of one culture.
Read the difference between colonize and occupy you dumb thick headed bantu. Also Ethiopia was occupied only for 3 years. 5 years is the time that selassie left and returned to ethiopia. The actual occupation was only 3 years and we killed 20,000 italians and had 8000 POWs.
col·o·nize (kl-nz) To migrate to and settle in They never setlled in because they were attacked 24/7 To subjugate (a population) to or as if to a colonial government. No one was ever subjugated to the goverment but the goverment was always attakced for the 3 years,
oc·cu·py (ky-p) 1. To fill up (time or space): a lecture that occupied three hours. They did fill in Addis Abeba 2. To dwell or reside in. 3. To hold or fill (an office or position). 4. To seize possession of and maintain control over by or as if by conquest. They were in control of addis abeba 5. To engage or employ the attention or concentration of: occupied the children with coloring books.
That is why people say Ethiopia was NEVER COLONIZED. We were only occupied. That is why you don't see us speaking Italian or in Italian culture unlike you dumb bantus who were fully colonized not just 3 years but half a century. Why do you think dumb bantu countries copied our flag after the moral of the euros won them thier independence???
quote:Originally posted by nur23_you55ouf:
quote:Originally posted by lamin: To YOM:
No big deal here, but to colonise a place means to invade, control and impose aspects of one culture.
Ironic how fellow africans deem ethiopia colonized when here in the U.S., text books made most likely by whites consider ethiopia independent. (not to mention various other sources)
The goal of bantus trying to lower us to their 0 status will be their ineviatble doing and will help horners realize one more of their primitive (primitive is not an insult it just means ancestral) habits. They are just jealous slaves.
Posted by GambA (Member # 12003) on :
nur, lamin is from West Africa, I believe...Let's talk about Africa...and forget about stupid divisions that the above poster and Bantu try to bring on this forum... GambA
Posted by Meskel (Member # 11979) on :
^^^ Yea do that and stay off our borders if you don't want to be sent to the ***** camps.
Posted by GambA (Member # 12003) on :
You're funny...
Posted by MyRedCow (Member # 10893) on :
Djehuti, Lamin, Yom, Yonis, GambA, Herukhuti,
You and Supercar, Rasol, Ausar(moderator), Myra, al Takruri and others are the at the vanguard of this Afrocentric study and research and have posted info I haven't seen in books. So, this time has been very rewarding for me. But, there are some things that are not online that I want to check out.
Ausar doesn't want to ban people left and right. If you find a troll online ignore him or her in the future. Just don't respond at all. Ignore them.
Bye for a while.
Posted by mali (Member # 7606) on :
Meskel your half nilo-saharan whats up with the bantu bashing lol
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
To Gamba,
You are right I don't speak any Bantu languages--though it's a linguistic culture area that produces great music and art from the Cameroon all the way down to South Africa. The languages I know are Malinke, Pular and Wolof.
We are just splitting hairs re "colonisation". In many parts of Africa the British had "Protectorates" and "Trusts", "Condominiums", etc. supported by the fact that the inhabitants of vast areas supposedly "colonised" by the British and French never or hardly ever saw a European soldier or district office. Again reinforced by the fact that today in the rural areas of many African countries many people just know or speak no French or English. In the urban areas though things different since most people understand at least basic English and French. I don't know what the situation is in Lusitaphone countries.
My point is that regardless of the status of the territory in question--the generic term "colonisation" is used without any fuss or hollow chips on the shoulder.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
To Gamba:
You are right; Harry Johnston, Seligman and others were writing at a time when the Hamitic Hypothesis was in vogue. The Europeans when travelling all over tropical Africa saw that the different peoples varied in culture--though with underlying similarities like Divine Kinship, totems, etc.--and phenotypes(but with underlying similarities) as Johnston and Seligman couldn't help but notice.
Where they wrong was to attribute what THEY perceived as "high cultures" or "civilizations" to "superior" invading "caucasoid" groups from outside of Africa. We have witnessed that kind of hierarchical racial thinking with Ancient Egypt(Breasted's Dynastic Race) and Kush; with Zimbabwe; and with the fanciful explanations of the origins of the Benin bronzes and the Nok culture of West Africa.
The irony of the situation is that in those cases where there is clear evidence tha peoples invaded or moved into a new culture area bringinmg with them new techniques, the recipient peoples are never seen as "inferior" or less than equal.
Examples: 1) The Spread of agriculture from the Levant(Near East) into the European heartland. It was not a wholesale movement of new peoples but of the new techniques of agriculture being DIFFUSED into resident populations. But it should be admitted that there was at least some kind of population migration from ouside of Europe into the heartland of Europe.
Yet no one argues that the new ideas diffused into Europe were the ideas of superior peoples.
2) The spread of Greco-Egyptian ideas and cultures into the heartland of Europe.
3) The claim by Western scholars that THEIR civilization has its roots in Mesopotamia(now the location of Iraq).
4) The Ayran Invasion from Eurasia into India is another instance of a documented invasion. Yet that invasion and subsequent culture fusions are not wrought with the same acrimony and nervousness as that concerning the desires to believe that any perceived hierarchical(culture) or coveted phenotypical differences among the peoples of Africa must be due to some modification of the Hamitic Hypothesis.
Posted by Ceelgabo_11 (Member # 8942) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: I just got done reading the last pages of the Aethopid sh*t thread, and I must say I am very disappointed!
Not because of the Meskel and Swish hyenas idiotic and outrageous posts, but because some of you have not only fed those trolls more than they needed, but you also became corrupted by their ethnic/racial bigotry! This was suppose to be everyone else rational against ignorance, even if that ignorance happened to be from the Horn of Africa. Then quickly it turned into another West African and/or Bantu vs. Horn Africans again!! Some of you even began attacking the innocent Somalis who harbor no such ignorance or hatred.
This goes out to all the intelligent posters in here veteran and new! DO NOT LET THE TROLLS INFECT YOU WITH THEIR ABOMINABLE IGNORANCE AND APATHY!! We have enough of that from them! Do not allow yourselves to be corrupted! There is only so much you can do to 'enlighten' some folks. But some folks cannot be taught or educated because their mind is so corrupted with ignorance and hate that their psyche literally rots from it. Meskel is a perfect example of that.
Meskel and Swish are no less trolls than the African Americans and Bantus in here who have bantuzid/Nilosized the whole Africa...
Posted by Bantu (Member # 12135) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: [qb] ]Of course, I'm not surprised that Meskel and many others like him have deeply rooted psychological issues concerning their own identity! To be honest, I won't be surprised if he has Bantu ancestry! LOL [QUOTE]
What about having bantu ancestry. Explain and what is so funny about that.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^What's funny is the the idea that Meskel could be part Bantu and therefore is put down by his "Horner" breathren, and so because of his inferiority complex he must put down his Bantu side.
However, it's already been figured out that he's part Nilo-Saharan! Which no doubt leads to the same pyscho-issues.
quote:Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11: Meskel and Swish are no less trolls than the African Americans and Bantus in here who have bantuzid/Nilosized the whole Africa...
ROTFL And what the heck is "batuzide" and "Nilosized"?!!
As far as I'm aware, Bantus do live in the Horn but in the very southern most areas like in southern Somalia and such. As for Nilo-Saharans, they live in many parts of the Horn from Ethiopia to Eritrea??
Why do you consider the presentation of these facts to be "trolling"??
Also, to Lamin and others what did I says about turning this into another African nation colonized vs. another?!!
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