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Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
Youth side-lock
Nick-named Fuzzy Wuzzies
More ideas are welcome...
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Supercar great post. It makes one think about how things chnage--but remain the same.
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Didn't the Egyptians also wear weaves or extensions?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
The side-lock of youth is worn by children in many African societies.
I believe Arara mentioned that royal children are distinguished from common ones by a gold earring.
Ramases as a child
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Nick-named Fuzzy Wuzzies
And Egyptian man
I have a hard time finding some but does anyone have pictures of what Egyptologists call the 'round wig'??
Such style wigs were popular in Egypt.
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
And Egyptian man
I have a hard time finding some but does anyone have pictures of what Egyptologists call the 'round wig'??
Such style wigs were popular in Egypt.
Clarification only: not implying the guy above is wearing a "round wig", are you?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^No car, I've seen that wooden depiction before and I know that the guy's hair is natural.
Usually the round wigs are much rounder and most of all, like all Egyptian wigs, they cover the ears.
I was just asking if anyone has any pics of Egyptians wearing round wigs. There already an ample amount of pics showing Egyptians with their natural 'fros!
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Yeah, ancient Egyptian women wore extensions or unnatural hair braided in with their original hair. Rural Egyptian fellahin females also wore extensions untill recently. Nubian children wore the side lock of youth as documented by Amelia Edwards. Most Egyptian females shaved their heads or wore wigs like the ones shown. One exaception is the scene of the little girl in the tomb of Nebamun Fowling in the Marshes.
Don't know about the round wigs but Pepi I or II is shown with this type of wig I believe.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by ausar: Yeah, ancient Egyptian women wore extensions or unnatural hair braided in with their original hair. Rural Egyptian fellahin females also wore extensions untill recently...
So I guess it's true that Egyptian women were no different from some West African women or even African American women for that matter!
It's no wonder that many of the women's hairstyles I've seen in the tomb paintings, I can also see in downtown Decatur! LOL
Seriously though!
quote:Nubian children wore the side lock of youth as documented by Amelia Edwards.
So I've heard. I wonder why some Egyptologists and some other sources still associate the side-lock of youth to royalty when there are so many common people wearing them.
quote:Most Egyptian females shaved their heads or wore wigs like the ones shown. One exaception is the scene of the little girl in the tomb of Nebamun Fowling in the Marshes.
How do they know that the little girl has her natural hair?
quote:Don't know about the round wigs but Pepi I or II is shown with this type of wig I believe.
Actually I've seen it alot in countless pictures of various other royals and nobles, but for some reason I don't see that many on the net.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: I was just asking if anyone has any pics of Egyptians wearing round wigs. There already an ample amount of pics showing Egyptians with their natural 'fros!
Not sure if this counts:
Kiya: Mother of King Tutankhamun 18th Dynasty, Egypt
One knee on the ground and the other up and forward in a kneeling position. Her arms are raised before her in prayer. She wears a Nubian wig often seen on Amarna's royal women.
Image and text from the book Tutankhamun and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs, by Zahi Hawass, National Geographic, 2005.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Djehuti said:
quote:So I've heard. I wonder why some Egyptologists and some other sources still associate the side-lock of youth to royalty when there are so many common people wearing them
Might be mostly because what evidence we have of ancient Egyptian life comes from nobel people or royalthy. Very little artwork is of the lowerclasses and their children exist. You have to understand that Egyptology is often theorethical and based upon scant evidence.
quote:Most Egyptian females shaved their heads or wore wigs like the ones shown. One exaception is the scene of the little girl in the tomb of Nebamun Fowling in the Marshes.
Djehuti said:
quote:How do they know that the little girl has her natural hair?
Because the braids growing out of her head has no white band on it like the examples in the Banquet scene.
__Notice the little girl on the bottom. Wish I had a way to make the picture more close up but this was all I could find.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Hear is king Tut wearing a roundwig.
I also found this Amenhotep the 3rd wearing round wig. This also looks like someone wearing round wigs. Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
Some real quality posts on this forum lately. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Not sure if this counts:
Actually it doesn't. What Kiya has is the 'Nubian' wig, which is a braided style. The 'round' wig is just, well... round.
King just provided excellent examples.
Here is a deity with a round wig.
And here is Tiye of course.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
This article talks about the many hair styles in Ancient Egypt.
Speaking of Kiya's style of wig, exactly why did Egyptologists choose to call such a style 'Nubian' in the first place??
Is such a style really connected to any 'Nubian' people?
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
Speaking of Kiya's style of wig, exactly why did Egyptologists choose to call such a style 'Nubian' in the first place??
Is such a style really connected to any 'Nubian' people?
Good question. My guess is that the wigs are the styles of what was worn in Nubia. They both had much more in common than just hair styles.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^As far as having more in common than hairstyles, we all know that, but my question is whether the said style of wig was a style that was conceived by 'Nubians' first and then adopted by the Egyptians??
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Djehuti:
So I've heard. I wonder why some Egyptologists and some other sources still associate the side-lock of youth to royalty when there are so many common people wearing them.
Indeed; with regards to the general populace, we are told...
"As children grew, they apparently had carefree periods in their lives. There have been many toys and games found in excavations, and paintings showing children playing together. The children wrestled, raced, played tug of war, used small doll-like figures of animals, boats, balls, and danced, just like children do today. They had birds or dogs for pets. Very young children often went naked, or with girdles around their waists. Their hair was worn in a braided plait, with the end rolled up in a curl, the familiar "sidelock" of youth." - Marie Parsons, Childbirth and Children in Ancient Egypt Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
What about the 'Nubian' wig?? Who first coined the term and why? Did the style really originate from 'Nubia'?
Posted by Keins (Member # 6476) on :
What is the validity of calling the wig Nubian? Are they (eurocentrist) insinuating that:
1)It originate in the gold mine regions of Ancient Egypt. 2)It did not originate in Ancient Egypt at all. 3)It was not part of ancient egypt's culture) and came from outside of Anceint Egypt?
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: I was just asking if anyone has any pics of Egyptians wearing round wigs. There already an ample amount of pics showing Egyptians with their natural 'fros!
Not sure if this counts:
Kiya: Mother of King Tutankhamun 18th Dynasty, Egypt
One knee on the ground and the other up and forward in a kneeling position. Her arms are raised before her in prayer. She wears a Nubian wig often seen on Amarna's royal women.
Image and text from the book Tutankhamun and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs, by Zahi Hawass, National Geographic, 2005.
Posted by Haru (Member # 14261) on :
Akhenaton's daughter Himba woman Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
^ Excellent thread.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Haru: Akhenaton's daughter Himba woman
Actually sorry to point out again, but the Egyptian depiction of Akhenaton's daughter, Ankhesenamun (which is also Tut's wife and half-sister) is not hair on top of her head but another crown! It is the crown of cobras commonly worn by royal women. LOL
Dude, I suggest you first try to distinguish what is hair and what is headdress first before you can make any comparisons. Posted by Haru (Member # 14261) on :
quote: Actually sorry to point out again, but the Egyptian depiction of Akhenaton's daughter, Ankhesenamun (which is also Tut's wife and half-sister) is not hair on top of her head but another crown! It is the crown of cobras commonly worn by royal women. LOL
Dude, I suggest you first try to distinguish what is hair and what is headdress first before you can make any comparisons.
I did not make any comparison with the hair.I did not even make any comments on my post!,I just posted 2 pictures. Yes,I know how to distinguish what is hair and what is headdress. Yes,I know what is the crown of cobras commonly worn by royal women. Did you notice anything in common with this 2 Pictures?
Posted by COTONOU_BY_NIGHT (Member # 14023) on :
Could any of you people explain me how was the well-known nHs colored haircut made?
Do you think it was made in a somehow similar way to this Turkana man's?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Haru: I did not make any comparison with the hair.I did not even make any comments on my post!,I just posted 2 pictures. Yes,I know how to distinguish what is hair and what is headdress. Yes,I know what is the crown of cobras commonly worn by royal women. Did you notice anything in common with this 2 Pictures?
Not really? What do you see that is common? I suggest maybe comparing closer groups such as East Africans and even West Africans on the other side of the Sahara. Not that there isn't anything similar with them at all , but I just caution agaisnt comparisons with distant groups like the Himba.
quote:Originally posted by COTONOU_BY_NIGHT: Could any of you people explain me how was the well-known nHs colored haircut made?
Do you think it was made in a somehow similar way to this Turkana man's?
Many Nilotic groups use ochre or clay to dye their hair. I believe that maybe red clay he has on his head.
The Egyptians mainly used henna to dye their hair red which is also used by groups like the Beja and even those in the Horn.
Posted by COTONOU_BY_NIGHT (Member # 14023) on :
^^ Yes, but what about the nHsjw hairstyle I asked about in my post above?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
If you are implying a Nilotic connection with the Nehesi, of course! I have noticed that a long time ago.
The ostrich feather as well as the red and sometimes yellow dyed hair is exactly like the kind Nilotic peoples like Turkana and Shilluk wear.
Posted by COTONOU_BY_NIGHT (Member # 14023) on :
Thanks, but again what I'm wondering if that the same use of clay to color hair was likely used by nHsjw.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ That's what it sure looks like from the tomb paintings, but of course these don't do as good a job in conveying details as photos woud.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Notice many of the Nehesi above have blonde colored hair as well. I have noticed Nilotic people who dye their hair blonde as well as red.
Posted by Mystery Solver (Member # 9033) on :
^Are those hair or wigs; what are the indicators you're going by, for whatever the answer is?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
There is nothing specific. Only that there are Nilotic groups today that have strikingly similar hairstyles-- hair that has been dyed with ochre or clay.
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Not really? What do you see that is common? I suggest maybe comparing closer groups such as East Africans and even West Africans on the other side of the Sahara. Not that there isn't anything similar with them at all , but I just caution agaisnt comparisons with distant groups like the Himba.
