Various folks connect it with "race", in particular "black" or "negro". On that note, it appears that there were/are proponents out there, however very few, who have tried to associate the term with some sort of a "hamitic" race, or what is supposedly "non-Negroid" black folks. As such, the word "nuhas", which denotes "copper", has been used to hypothesize that, the Nehesu were likely named after their “copper toned skin”, and in the terms of these advocates, this would mean "copper skin caucasoids"; not much different from how some folks here refer to “brown”, as a way to runaway from having to say ‘black’.

To my understanding, this word has been documented in the Old Kingdom, and it appeared that early Egyptian artwork used it in connection with "southerners", who were painted in the same brown skin tones as Kemetians. But then, in the Middle, Second Intermediate and New Kingdoms, it was applied to "southerners", who were depicted in varying colors from reddish brown to pitch black, including various dress styles, hair styles or wigs, and varying facial features. Aside from the “southerners”, I am not aware of the application of “Nhsw” to any other people.

I'm with Frank J. Yurco on this who states that Nehsi had nothing to do with color but reffered to a certain group of riverine Nubians.

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Originally posted by ausar:

I'm with Frank J. Yurco on this who states that Nehsi had nothing to do with color but reffered to a certain group of riverine Nubians.

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It seems that Nehasu can be rooted in at least a few different words. For example Nsu refers to the South [although in another sense means North since the up-north direction for Km.t, as in 'up-river' was towards the sudan].

bonjour,
I think Nhsy's were a tribe or group of people linked together by rituals different from other parts of "deeper" Africa, who derived ntrws to animalism, totetism, etc….. whereas the Nhsy were praising a lot and praying, could be circumcising their children, because of the hieroglyphic spelling of the name, if you decorticate, you will have in prayer, n-Hst, hsi to praise,n-hsy or the ones in praising just my take on this.
If you look at the glyphs, you will see why i feel that way, the rope the walking stick, (moving tribes materials) and the rebel sign, the man with his hands behind his back, no! if i make any connection to Moses i will be fired.
but then i may be complètement à côté de la plaque.

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Originally posted by swam:
...whereas the Nhsy were praising a lot and praying, could be circumcising their children, because of the hieroglyphic spelling of the name, if you decorticate, you will have in prayer, n-Hst, hsi to praise,n-hsy or the ones in praising just my take on this.

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Originally posted by rasol:
I hope Wally will help us with this.

It seems that Nehasu can be rooted in at least a few different words. For example Nsu refers to the South [although in another sense means North since the up-north direction for Km.t, as in 'up-river' was towards the sudan].

Nsu may thus be one of the Kemetic roots of Sudan, wherein other words like 'sudd', reference the Nile upland swamps in south sudan, and bel as sudad [arab - land of the blacks] may be derivitive from the Kemetic root.

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Excellan-tay!
You have just demonstrated the keen ability to **extrapolate the probable meaning of a word that you aren't familiar with by a logical comparison to one(s) that you are.

Nhsj (Nahasi)- a Sudanese man
Nhsj.t (Nahasit - a Sudanese woman
Nhsjw (Nahasou)- Sudanese; southerners in general
Nhsjw (Nahasou)- The Sudanese tribes in the Tuat, the results of the masturbation of Ra.

The way it's written
Most words in the Mdw Ntr that began with the letter "n" were written with the hieroglyph of a water ripple; the word "Nhsjw" was written using the 'Guinea-fowl' glyph with the pronunciation being "Nh;Neh;Nah" - very few words began with this 'letter.'

verifying rasol's correct analysis

In Budge's dictionary, alongside the word "Nehsi" there are additional hieroglyphics showing the different ways of writing the "Nehsi" in the plural. What interests us here is the following example:

Hieroglyphic:
(throw stick)+ s + (sedge plant) + "ou"

--The "throw stick" can be either a determinative; an ideogram; or a phonogram "rs" or "Aa"; at the beginning of a sentence it's a phonogram (and probably also an ideogram which indicates "foreign".)

--The "sedge" hieroglyph ("(n)su; sut") indicates the south; ie;Upper Egypt, Sudan...
So we have "rs"+ "s" + "su" or "Resou" which means "southerners" with the use of the "throw stick" to indicate "foreign southerners"; the same as it is used in the word "Aamu" to indicate "(foreigners)Asiatics"...

:essentially all non-Egyptian peoples in the south; "strangers"

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Originally posted by rasol:
Question: Doesn't Nehasy also appear as a 'proper name' in Km.t texts, around the 18th dynasty or therabouts?

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I believe this name has been associated with a Priest, from that era.

BTW, it also appears in the Kings list of 14th dynasty.

Thanks Wally, glad and interesting to read you here around again.
nh or more often the sennar, or guinea fowl, the nH bird., often replaced in temples by the two twisted flaxes on each side of the round plasma sign H
that H sign is to me the key

Ancient Egyptians had variants when spelling or drawing? their words, ideograms
Nhsy would have many spellings. Rebel/tamed man sign included.
The recurrence in the words spelling is the club (sorry I put walking stick in my mind it was a crooked stick, in villages South of Egypt i have seen many use curved sticks as walking sticks and to sort of push away what is in front of them) and the folded cloth, (also in snb, prosperous) which gives an idea of moving all the time,

Yes, the T14
associated with owl: Lybia, (owl’s are now taboo and bad luck in Egypt)
associated with fowl: Nubia
Sign list, Gardiner, not transliterated for following reasons:
there is a page about that attribute and it’s applications,

1)the throw stick sign
2) the club as a foreign weapon or warfare

amaAt throw-stick
kmA throw, or create, form----
ini distinguish

now used as club:
THnw, Lybia
aAm Asiatic, yes, stranger, foreigner
TmHi Land,,
Nhsy Nubian

3) the sign replaces various other signs due to identity or close similarity in hieratic
-abi rebel(Aa)
-Dar search for
-mni moor
-T13
-mtr witness (replaces finger sign)

so it’s a loss of identity
eternity? Man of eternity?

.......mHtN.
imntyO iAbtyE
.......xnt

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Originally posted by rasol:
Question: Doesn't Nehasy also appear as a 'proper name' in Km.t texts, around the 18th dynasty or therabouts?

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There's one Pharaoh that I came across while reading "Egyptian Language: Easy Lessons in Egyptian Hieroglyphics by EWB". If I recall correctly, the example text was from the "Stelae of Pa-Nahesi" (25th Dynasty?).

I personally think that the title "Pa Nahasi" was a self-deprecating play on words that would imply something like the Pharaoh calling himself "The Barbarian!" or "The Stranger!" - literally it means "The Sudani man". (not "The Nubian")

--Do you think that people will ever grasp the concept that there's a difference between Sudan/Sudanese and Nubia/Nubian. Will they ever come to realize that the Nubians are Egyptians?

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Originally posted by Wally:
Do you think that people will ever grasp the concept that there's a difference between Sudan/Sudanese and Nubia/Nubian. Will they ever come to realize that [b]the Nubians are Egyptians?

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