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Originally posted by dahlak:
That is so sad how the westner world try to separet ancient Egypt from the Ethiopians and Nubians. The ancient Egypt were so close with Ethiopians and Nubians.

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Unfortunately, you fall into that trap, when you misdirect the origins of indigenous East Africans to elsewhere. That East Africa is diverse, virtually anyone with a clear head can see that. Various back migrations into the continent is acknowledged, but to suggest that these groups have somehow replaced existing populations in the region, is simply absurd, to put it politely.

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Originally posted by COBRA:
the oromoes, ahamaras, eygiptians and the rest of them are all pease in the same pot.

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Originally posted by Super car:
Unfortunately, you fall into that trap, when you misdirect the origins of indigenous East Africans to elsewhere. That East Africa is diverse, virtually anyone with a clear head can see that. Various back migrations into the continent is acknowledged, but to suggest that these groups have somehow replaced existing populations in the region, is simply absurd, to put it politely.

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Originally posted by Super car:
Unfortunately, you fall into that trap, when you misdirect the origins of indigenous East Africans to elsewhere. That East Africa is diverse, virtually anyone with a clear head can see that. Various back migrations into the continent is acknowledged, but to suggest that these groups have somehow replaced existing populations in the region, is simply absurd, to put it politely.

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Originally posted by dahlak:
I am talking about ancient time, i am not talking about recent people. And i am asking you guys about this topic, like i said there are topics i don`t agree with you guys, but not all.

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Originally posted by dahlak:
I am trying to put none, i found the site and want to know the others opinion. I did not create the site, so what are you talking about? go to the web site and tell me more about it.

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Originally posted by Super car:
I wasn't referring to the website. I was talking about the idea of East Africans being supposedly descendants of Arabians. When someone makes a comment like that, that person is no better than those folks, who according to you, try to separate the said Africans. The majority of East Africans are indigenous to the extant region, and don't trace their roots elsewhere, including the Arabian peninsula. Some groups may have migrated back to the Horn of Africa, but they are certainly among the 'minority' within that landscape. I hope my point is now clarified.

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Originally posted by dahlak:
My point is all east african are not indigenous

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The Rashida Arabs are not indigneous, the Oromo most certainly are indigenous.

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Originally posted by rasol:
The Rashida Arabs are not indigneous, the Oromo most certainly are indigenous.

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The Semitic speakers worked their way up
from the Bab-el-Mandeb crossing over from
the Horn to the Arabian peninsula and from
there moved northward ending their trek at
the foot of the mountains of Turkey. If
anything, Caucasic, Altaic, and Indo-European
speakers moving southbound across the
Caucasus met and mingled with the Semitic
speakers giving then a much lighter color
than their southern ancestors had and still
have today.

The post Islamic "Arab" immigrants to north east Africa are largely
little more than modified indigenous Africans regardless of the physical
and cultural accutrements they picked up while on the Arabia peninsula
and in the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.

Unfortunately this anthropological, linguistic and even geological reality
-- that the region is just a break away tectonic plate of Afica --
does little to relieve the hate and prejudice many Semitic and
Tamazight speakers have for their other Afrasan relatives and the rest
of the continental Africans and their diaspora offspring.

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Originally posted by dahlak:
How many times i have to say this, i don`t know about Oromo. Oromos live in Ethiopia. I just want to know, about the Oromo in ancient Egypt time and more about this topic.

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Petrie thought the 12th dynasty was founded by Galla. I don't know if
he means the Oromo or if he means the Shangalla.

"The Galla Penetration. It has long ago been remarked that the black sphinxes, later appropriated by the Hyksos, approximated to the Galla type of Abyssinia."

"This starts an enquiry how the Galla connection could thus appear on monuments. In the clearance and planning of the rock tombs at Qau, Antaeopolis, the peculiar plan of those tombs, with great halls and small chambers annexed, was observed to be closely parallel to that of later Nubian temples. In both tomb and temple the chief work is in the solid rock, while the forecourt is of masonry constructed in front of it. Another peculiarity was the hammer-work excavation of one tomb, which had evidently been done with stone balls, as in the Aswan granite working, and this implies a southern connection."

"Ancestry of Senusert. In the tomb of prince Uah-ka B at Qau, in an inner chamber, is painted a scene of the son of Uah-ka, named Senusert; there is no cartouche. As the Uah-ka family were of about the 4th or 5th dynasty (the name being unknown either in the 11th of the 12th dynasty), this implies that the 12th dynasty Senusert family descended from the Uah-ka family. Here we have, then, a link between the Galla type on the sphinxes and the 12th dynasty. The separate identification of these sphinxes follows further on. The 12th dynasty was undoubtedly descended from Amenemhat, the great vizier of the 11th dynasty. It seems, then, that he married the heiress of the Uah-ka family, as stated in the pseudo-prophecy, "A king shall come from the south whose name is Ameny, son of a Nubian woman." She called her son by the family name Senusert, and he was the founder of the 12th dynasty, according to Manetho. Waka is the god of the Gallas."

Amenemhet I warred against Wawat pushing south far enough to establish a center of
trade in Kerma at the 3rd catarct. Senusret I mentions the Akherkin, Kas, Khesaa, Shat,
and Shemyk among the peoples of Wawat that he subdued. Senwosret III annexed
Wawat up to the 2nd cataract as the southern border of Kmt.

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if anything, Caucasic, Altaic, and Indo-European
speakers moving southbound across the
Caucasus met and mingled with the Semitic
speakers giving then a much lighter color
than their southern ancestors had and still
have today.

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I agree that a best hypothesis on the lineage of Asiatic semitic peoples is Africans from the south mixing with Eurasian elements from the North.

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Originally posted by rasol:

I agree that a best hypothesis on the lineage of Asiatic semitic peoples is Africans from the south mixing with Eurasian elements from the North.

This is one reason why it is so useless to talk of pure ethnic Arab or Jew for that matter. Asiatic semitic is the 'true' Afro-Asiatic concept.

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I agree, although I would add that the northern Levant was long the abode of Eurasians prior to the LGM. After the LGM haplogroup J bearing Eurasians (Kebaran culture) pushed into the southern Levant during the early Holocene. From the Nile Mushabian, E3b carrying Africans seem to have pushed north as far as Syria and Jordan. These two groups merged to form the Natufian.