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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Centric[/b]: As to whether ancient Egyptians or Nubians would have identified as Black people had their culture and phenotype persisted to the modern post-colonial era, that we can only speculate. [/QUOTE]. [b] Book of Gates Gate of Teka Hra vignette(scene) 30 says you lie. [/b] [list] [*][IMG]http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7599/bg45s30.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4982/bg45w.gif[/IMG] This translation supercedes my [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=004131#000042]previous postings[/URL], is tentative, not literal, rather designed for 21st century understandings. [/list] December 2004 was when I first began presenting it here. See http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001098.html or http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=001098 [list] [*][b]Excerpts originally posted by alTakruri on October 04, 2006:[/b] Transliteration and translation of the 1st 5 columns of the Book of Gates the Gate of Teka Hra vignette 30 [CODE]CAPS = multi-literal phonogram; : = determinative; [] = unvoiced phonetic compliment; . = suffix [/CODE][CODE]Col1: ĺ-n HRW n nn.[n-n] Says(interogative) Heru to these: - Col2: [HHQ3].`a-w-t.plural RA "Herds (of) Ra - Col3: ĺ-m.w:plural DWA.t:pr Dwellers (in) netherworld. - Col4: KM[m].t:nwt d-sh-r.t:nwt AKH Black community. Red community. - Col5: [kh]:scroll n th-n:plural HQA.w:plural RA Beatification to ye subjects (of) Ra! [/CODE][IMG]http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6876/remetwkv17fsetiibelzoni14306ps2.jpg[/IMG] The "four types" -- or better, the "subjects of Ra" -- scene depicts the sun in the 5th night hour with Heru addressing the dead. He verbally divides them into the blacks (Nile Valley folk, i.e., Egyptians and Nehesis) under his protection, and the reds (folk dwelling east or west of the Nile) under Sekhet's protection. Heru is addressing all four types, first with a general intro to the entire party of the afterlife dead (who died that day) still in their shrouds. He "beatifies" them, reanimates them with "spirit" (breath/wind), and releases them from their shrouds. Then after all that he addresses each group in turn speaking of the origins of their creation and assigning their "patron" deity. First the RT RMTW and then in from sunrise to sunset order the AAMW, NHHSW, and TMHHW . The NWT ideogram means neither people nor land. The glyph depicts a crossroads indicating a village or city, i.e. a settlement or habitation. thus the use of it to mean community in its broad application for the corpus of the dead. It [mostly] appears as the determinative following the name of a city. Now if one wants to take black as meaning literal black skin, then go ahead. I recognize a range of skin tones among blacks and also recognize the difference as used in Africa between blacks and reds, both of whom may be African, and blacks and reds where reds means coloureds and whites. As an example, in medieval Arab writings they class themselves as reds in distinction to black Africans of Biled es Sudan but as blacks in distinction to red/white Eurasians like Persians, Slavs, etc. ____________________________________ In scene 30 Horus establishes the blacks and the reds as two communities not races, a concept not introduced until the birth of anthropology in the 18th century in expansionist Europe. In scene 30 Heru states that the blacks are the creations of his or Re's tears/semen and under his patronage whereas the reds have Sekhmet as their patron. The blacks are the RT RMT yw and the NHHSW Nile dwellers. The reds are the A3MW and TMHHW of the adjoining deserts. [/list] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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