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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Truthcentric: [qb] The core problem I see with Akachi and Amun-Ra is that they seem to approach the Nile Valley civilizations from a Pan-African perspective. That is to say, they want all the dark-skinned peoples of Africa and the Diaspora to be united into one cultural or genetic unit that excludes anyone they don't perceive to be Black. Of course this quasi-racialist construct doesn't square well with the facts that Africans have always been genetically and culturally diverse and that one subset of them may be fraternal to OOA. I'm all for portraying ancient Egypto-Nubian civilization as an indigenous African development and don't like the pop-culture trend to whitewash (or tanwash) them one bit. I also think connections between the Nile Valley and other regions of Africa are worth looking into. What's problematic is the insinuation by the Pan-African mindset that Africa was always a single, genetically and culturally homogeneous country. Why can't African people have different cultures and phenotypes just like people on other continents? Furthermore, the construct of "Black African" is a fundamentally European one that was imposed onto Africans. Prior to the European "colonial" invasions, I don't think ancient Egyptians, Nubians, Zulus, Yoruba, etc. would have agreed on a common Black identity that brought them together. They probably would have conceived themselves more along the lines of culture or nationality just like people elsewhere in the world. As to whether ancient Egyptians or Nubians would have identified as Black people had their culture and phenotype persisted to the modern post-colonial era, that we can only speculate. [/qb][/QUOTE]Possibly. Though I think their main problem is attempting a rigid West African connection with West Africans as a stand-in for "true negroes." East Africans are just as "African" as anyone else in tropical Africa, and so are ancient Egyptians. [b]Why can't African people have different cultures and phenotypes just like people on other continents?[/b] They do, and these differences do not cease to make them African. This is one of the central problems of Eurocentrism- a "splittism" approach that seems to deAfricanize numerous African peoples. This is one of the reasons CERTAIN flavors of Afrocentrism developed- as a counter-reaction to distorted Eurocentric "splittism." [b] What's problematic is the insinuation by the Pan-African mindset that Africa was always a single, genetically and culturally homogeneous country.[/b] ^^Yes, but keep in mind that a "Pan-African" perspective can be useful if carefully qualified and handled. The problem is EXTREME forms of "Pan-Africanism" such as alleged "fleeing negroes" shuffling out of Egypt when assorted Assyrians or other outsiders show up, to bring "real" civilization to the rest of the continent, and other similar constructs. A "Pan-African" perspective can work on a number levels- if staying within credible data- as a general concept viewing Africa as a holistic unit, rather than the "splittism" approach, as an archeo/cultural concept (very carefully qualified of course), as a geographic cultural approach (the Sahara is a "Pan African" entity) as is the Nile River Basin (in an extended sense) which covers part of the Congo up to the Atlantic) or a biological approach (tropical features, DNA, etc) Note this is at carefully qualified levels, navigating between sweeping claims of artifical "unity" and equally artifical "splittism." [b]Furthermore, the construct of "Black African" is a fundamentally European one that was imposed onto Africans[/b] ^^Of course, which is why "true negro" concepts are suspect. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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