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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by HeartofAfrica: [qb] So words like Sa'idi are geographic terms in reference to locations of where a certain group came from, North or South, and they could be Arab or other? Interesting.[/qb][/QUOTE]Correct. [QUOTE][qb]Meaning, I should call indigenous Egyptians, Baladi? Does that word describe one ethnic group?[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes. Baladi means 'native' or indigenous as opposed to other Egyptians who are not such as the Arabs, Greeks, Turks, etc. I posted a thread on the issue of Baladi Egyptians [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010230]here[/URL]. Unfortunately, because Arabs are politically dominant, the Baladi don't get as much representation in the media and they even get stereotyped the same way as black minorities in other countries such as being less intelligent or more violent. [QUOTE][qb][Furthermore, do we know what the ancient Baladi called those from "Lower Nubia" and "Upper Nubia"? Were they all Kushites? Or just those within "Lower Nubia"? Do those that reside in Aswan today relate more to Kushites, than to Baladi?[/qb][/QUOTE]Generally speaking from the Middle Kingdom onward, Lower Nubia was called Wawat while Upper Nubia was Kush as these were the two dominant groups in those respective areas though the Kushites quickly rose to become an empire and assimilated Wawat. It's hard to tell because there were various groups living in so-called 'Nubia' at that time. [IMG]http://www.ancientsudan.org/images/01_history_chiefdoms.jpg[/IMG] It wasn't until the beginning of the New Kingdom that Egypt conquered and annexed Kush i.e. all Nile Valley Nubia. [QUOTE][qb]Overall, what I'm getting from this in a general sense is that there's still confusion on whom these depictions may represent directly? In relation to which ethnic group or their names in ancient times.[/qb][/QUOTE]I have the same feeling because as I told Brandon, there aren't that many detailed depictions as to which Nubian group was who. Many of the depictions of so-called Kushites for example may not be Kushite at all but rather groups who were under the Kushite suzerainty since as I said Kush before the New Kingdom was a full blown empire. Many of the depictions show people for example who look more like modern day southern Sudanese like the Dinka and Nuer though the Kushites had different facial features that resemble modern North Sudanese. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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