quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: This is my answer Sweety. It just upset you because you wanted too much Horn Africans (only) to be closer to OOA migrants at the moment of the OOA migrations. While actually all CT carriers are closer to OOA migrants (compared to non-CT carriers), CT carriers includes both East and West Africans.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Horn Africans and West Africans were one people (E-P2's people, for example) since they share common ancestors with each other (post dating the OOA migrations of course) for the most part of their genome. Especially if you disregard recent foreign admixture with neighboring nations.
So Europeans are one people with Melansians because they share the same macro Y chromosome hg?
Horn and West Africans are certainly closer to each others than any of them are to Eurasian populations since they share common ancestors like E-P2 after the OOA migrations of Eurasians (before any back migrations). Which is evident of course. They are both black African populations.
Both of these populations (East and West) have different characterization carried outside of Africa. This your theory falls apart, again.
^^^Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact. What do you mean by this?
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quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact.
According to your racist theory that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry, it's not a "hard fact" at all; it's patently false. At K=2 few, if any, Cushitic and Ethio-Semitic speaking Ethiopian populations consistently have more than 50% African ancestry. This small section of 30-50% African ancestry they have at K=2 is, according to your racist fairytale, the only African ancestry they have. Therefore, your claim that they're closer to West Africans than Eurasians, is patently false, according to your own views. The preposterousness of your imbecilic claims is exposed by the fact that the inevitable consequence of your racist claim is that Beja populations are 30-40% African. Talk about walking around a bad case of being completely out of touch with reality.
quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact.
According to your racist theory that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry,
Strawman argument again. That's not my theory.
E-P2 carriers eventually separated and developed new haplogroups (new mutations) like e1b1a and e1b1b, although none of those are shared with OOA migrants beside through admixtures. It's all pretty basic.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact.
According to your racist theory that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry,
Strawman argument again. That's not my theory.
There goes the flip flopping lying ass troll again. You've said time after time again that any and every bit of relative closeness of an African population to Eurasian populations to the exclusion of West/Central Africans is EXCLUSIVELY due to admixture, so yes, you HAVE said that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry.
quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Strawman argument again. That's not my theory.
There the flip flopping lying ass troll goes again. You've said time after time again that any and every bit of relative closeness of an African population to Eurasian populations is EXCLUSIVELY due to admixture, so yes, you HAVE said that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry.
Quote me saying this or shut up you idiot.
Admixtures and common origin is the main components of genetic closeness. Admixtures through proxy populations is also possible. As well as random "concurrent" genetic drifting (and mutations in even rarer cases).
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quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Quote me saying this or shut up you idiot.
"Here's the post Swenet desperately tries to avoid since it demonstrates that East and West Africans, for example, were one people after the OOA migrations and before any back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"African populations are genetically close to each others in a similar way Eurasian populations are close to each others, mitigated by the amount of Eurasian back migration they possess." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"So the reason why Beyoku's fake wife would be more Eurasian, is because she (aka her ancestors) would be admixed with Eurasians to a high level." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
So, again, did or didn't you claim that admixture is the only way for an African population to be intermediately positioned between Eurasians and West/Central Africans?
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IMO The best way for someone to understand Autosomal DNA...is to simply study their OWN genome. They know what they are made of....and from that they can see how different data sets and different STRUCTURE/ADMIXTURE analysis at different "K" will affect the results of their genome. Everything changes based on the K and the reference populations used. Some results can seem nonsensical while other times they can be very telling of KNOWN historical and prehistorical events.
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I don't think it's that he doesn't understand it. It's because he understands that the implications of what we're saying require him to reassess his ideas about his stake in AE and Nubian history. It just being a part of African history isn't enough to him; he has to feel like there is some sort of primacy in the genetic link between him and the pharaohs. It's about ego.
We're talking about someone who refuses to let his beliefs be guided by scientific developments, hence, why he keeps clashing with very basic scientific ideas. He even questions basic and well-established scientific ideas like isolation by distance.
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quote:Originally posted by beyoku: Amun Ra the ultimate simply does not understand Autosomal DNA. ES does not talk too much about Autosomal DNA so he doesnt understand it.
For someone who I had to explain step by step how to calculate the genetic distance on a genetic distance tree (autosomal STR), you're pretty much full of ****.
I discussed many times autosomal DNA, I even posted many genetic distance trees between populations. And even explained to you the difference between genetic distance and genetic diversity.
The post you try to avoid as if your life, or your lies should I say, depended on it.
To have some fun with Beyoku, another undercover racist, watch him and sweety, not able to answer a simple straight question about AEians ethnic affiliation.
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Did or didn't you claim that admixture is the only way for an African population to be intermediately positioned between Eurasians and West/Central Africans?
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Did or didn't you claim that admixture is the only way for an African population to be intermediately positioned between Eurasians and West/Central Africans?
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: I didn't of course
So, these posts were fabricated?
"Here's the post Swenet desperately tries to avoid since it demonstrates that East and West Africans, for example, were one people after the OOA migrations and before any back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"African populations are genetically close to each others in a similar way Eurasian populations are close to each others, mitigated by the amount of Eurasian back migration they possess." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"So the reason why Beyoku's fake wife would be more Eurasian, is because she (aka her ancestors) would be admixed with Eurasians to a high level." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: I didn't of course
So, these posts were fabricated?
"Here's the post Swenet desperately tries to avoid since it demonstrates that East and West Africans, for example, were one people after the OOA migrations and before any back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"African populations are genetically close to each others in a similar way Eurasian populations are close to each others, mitigated by the amount of Eurasian back migration they possess." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
"So the reason why Beyoku's fake wife would be more Eurasian, is because she (aka her ancestors) would be admixed with Eurasians to a high level." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
Those quotes are not fabricated. It's you trying to claim those contradicts me in some way that is a fabrication. For example, if somebody is more than 50% Eurasian it's certainly not because of random drift. Yes, concurrent random drift exist, but not to that level. It's random and there's billions of alleles. Each situations must be analyzed within its context.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: it's certainly not because of random drift. Yes, concurrent random drift exist, but not to that level. It's random and there's billions of alleles. Each situations must be analyzed within its context.
WTF are you talking about? The citations aren't claiming that the Beja population is necessarily 70-60% admixed by "back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years", and that they were "one population with West/Central Africans" before that 3kya backmigration?
"Here's the post Swenet desperately tries to avoid since it demonstrates that East and West Africans, for example, were one people after the OOA migrations and before any back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: WTF are you talking about? The citations aren't claiming that the Beja population
I can answer question even from a stupid racist like you but please try to make some sense, your quotes don't even include the word Beja.
I don't know the level of Eurasian admixtures in Beja, but if they got Eurasians DNA like F descendants and mtDNA M and N descendants it's because they are admixed with Eurasians to some degree (directly or through proxy populations). Those admixtures affect the autosomal genetic closeness of Beja population with Eurasian populations. "Recent" Bi-directional admixtures must also be taking into account.
Both East and West Africans were closer to OOA migrants at the moment of the OOA migrations than non-CT carriers, as most of them are CT carriers. OOA migrants were long gone, when E1b1a and E1b1b started to appear within African populations for example.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: This is my answer Sweety. It just upset you because you wanted too much Horn Africans (only) to be closer to OOA migrants at the moment of the OOA migrations. While actually all CT carriers are closer to OOA migrants (compared to non-CT carriers), CT carriers includes both East and West Africans.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Horn Africans and West Africans were one people (E-P2's people, for example) since they share common ancestors with each other (post dating the OOA migrations of course) for the most part of their genome. Especially if you disregard recent foreign admixture with neighboring nations.
So Europeans are one people with Melansians because they share the same macro Y chromosome hg?
Horn and West Africans are certainly closer to each others than any of them are to Eurasian populations since they share common ancestors like E-P2 after the OOA migrations of Eurasians (before any back migrations). Which is evident of course. They are both black African populations.
Both of these populations (East and West) have different characterization carried outside of Africa. This your theory falls apart, again.
^^^Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact. What do you mean by this?
. Says the racist bigot himself. With a racist Eurocentric back migration agenda. Yet, failed to show archeological and anthropological evidence for this, again.
You try to come off as this Afrocentric, but your underlying motifs are clearly Eurocentric. You lack knowledge on African ethnographics, impostor.
quote:Y-DNA haplogroup F is the parent of all Y-DNA haplogroups G through T and contains more than 90 percent of the world's population. Haplogroup F was in the original migration out of Africa, or else it was founded soon afterward, because F and its sub-haplogroups are primarily found outside, with very few inside, sub-Saharan Africa. The founder of F could have lived between 60,000 and 80,000 years ago, depending on the time of the out-of-Africa migration.
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: your quotes don't even include the word Beja.
You're not only a retarded racist, you're also a pathological and manipulative liar as I never said that your post included the word Beja. I'm going to keep pummeling you with the question until you stop lying.
The citations aren't claiming that the only way for an African population to plot closer to a Eurasian population relative to West/Central Africans, is if they're mixed with the said Eurasian populations?
"Here's the post Swenet desperately tries to avoid since it demonstrates that East and West Africans, for example, were one people after the OOA migrations and before any back migration of Eurasian people in the last 3000 years." --Amun-Ra the ultimate liar
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Ultimate null, invasions have taken place recently. This is evident in genetics and anthropologic evidence. Most influence of this in in the Northern of Egypt. Lesser as on goes South.
However, taxonomy has shown that different phenotypes have evolved within Africa. So has genetic mutations, which was taken out by multiple African populations. Into Eurasia, making a substratum of certain alleles get closer to Eurasians.
Question is, do you understand the emphasized sentence here?
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
Bones, Stones, and Genes: The Origin of Modern Humans Lecture 2- Genetics of Human Origins and Adaptation Sarah A. Tishkoff, Ph.D.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll:
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear ultimate null I have responded to your question.
Ancient Egyptians cluster closet to Southern Northeast Africans. Who eventually came from further South. This is evident in archeology, anthropology, genetics etc.... Don't forget that.
Question is, do you understand the emphasized sentence here?
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
Bones, Stones, and Genes: The Origin of Modern Humans Lecture 2- Genetics of Human Origins and Adaptation Sarah A. Tishkoff, Ph.D.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll:
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear ultimate null I have responded to your question.
Ancient Egyptians cluster closet to Southern Northeast Africans. Who eventually came from further South. This is evident in archeology, anthropology, genetics etc.... Don't forget that.
Are AEians genetically closer to West Africans or Eurasians? It's between West Africans and Eurasians.
What you say doesn't mean anything since every humans came from the south.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
I'm not asking you where humans or northeast Africans come from. It's between West Africans and Eurasians.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll:
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear ultimate null I have responded to your question.
Ancient Egyptians cluster closet to Southern Northeast Africans. Who eventually came from further South. This is evident in archeology, anthropology, genetics etc.... Don't forget that.
Is that a yes or a no?
It doesn't mean anything since every humans came from the south.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
I'm not asking you where humans or northeast Africans come from.
But, that the question to your answer. In the question to who the ancient Egyptians were.
As, I said, evidence is based on anthological, anthological and genetic etc.... Evidence. This is not for your hypothetical everybody, came from the South.
This again shows that you lack this understanding.
Question is, do you understand the emphasized sentence here?
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
Bones, Stones, and Genes: The Origin of Modern Humans Lecture 2- Genetics of Human Origins and Adaptation Sarah A. Tishkoff, Ph.D.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll, here's my question again.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear ultimate null.
As, I said, evidence is based on anthological, anthological and genetic etc..... This is not for your hypothetical everybody, came from the South, as your racism implies. This is scientific evidence on specifics is found within African populations. Who live in the South of Egypt mainly nowadays. Do you understand this?
Nor, does everybody looked the same as your undercover racism implies. Different taxonomy has evolved in Africa.
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I'm a bit disappointed in you. I thought your undercover status would make you answer the question directly and say Ancient Egyptians were closer to West Africans than Eurasians based on current genetic results.
Maybe I should stop including 'undercover', in undercover racist.
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^^^Troll, if you don't answer the question directly, SHUT THE HELL UP for your own sakes.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: I must say troll,
I'm a bit disappointed in you. I thought your undercover status would make you answer the question directly and say Ancient Egyptians were closer to West Africans than Eurasians based on current genetic results.
Maybe I should stop including 'undercover', in undercover racist.
Ultimate null, I am disappointed in you that you can't understand that ancient Egyptians cluster mainly with Southern Egyptian groups Northeast, East Africans.
You nervously try to create a delusional baseless theory. Yet, fail to mention the groups who actually matter. You imply something, and want me to agree with it.
The Khormusan: Evidence for an MSA East African industry in Nubia
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There is clear evidence of lithic technological variability in Middle Paleolithic (MP) assemblages along the Nile valley and in adjacent desert areas. One of the identified variants is the Khormusan, the type-site of which, Site 1017, is located north of the Nile's Second Cataract. The industry has two distinctive characteristics that set it apart from other MP industries within its vicinity. One is the use of a wide variety of raw materials; the second is an apparent correlation between raw material and technology used, suggesting a cultural aspect to raw material management. Stratigraphically, site 1017 is situated within the Dibeira-Jer formation which represents an aggradation stage of the Nile and contains sediments originating from the Ethiopian Highlands. While it has previously been suggested that the site dates to sometime before 42.5 ka, the Dibeira-Jer formation can plausibly be correlated with Nile alluvial sediments in northern Sudan recently dated to 83 ± 24 ka (MIS 5a). This stage coincides with the 81 ka age of sapropel S3, indicating higher Nile flow and stronger monsoon rainfall at these times.
Other sites which reflect similar raw material variability and technological traditions are the BNS and KHS sites in the Omo Kibish Formation (Ethiopia) dated to ∼100 ka and ∼190 ka respectively. Based on a lithic comparative study conducted, it is suggested that site 1017 can be seen as representing behavioral patterns which are indicative of East African Middle Stone Age (MSA) technology, adding support to the hypothesis that the Nile Valley was an important dispersal route used by modern humans prior to the long cooling and dry trend beginning with the onset of MIS 4. Techo-typological comparison of the assemblages from the Khormusan sites with other Middle Paleolithic sites from Nubia and East Africa is used to assess the possibility of tracing the dispersal of technological traits across the landscape and through time.
--Mae Goder-Goldberger
Quaternary International 25 June 2013, Vol.300:182–194, doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2012.11.031 The Middle Palaeolithic in the Desert
quote:"...Wiercinski (1965) noted an increase in the "African" (Negroid) element in crania recovered from the early dynastic tombs of Abydos as compared to the previous period. His taxonomy, like others, seems to have a narrow conception the of the range of real "African" variability. In general, this restricted view presents all tropical Africans with narrow noses and faces as being related to or descended from an external, ultimately non-African peoples. However, narrow-faced, narrow-nosed populations have long been resident in Saharo-tropical Africa (Gabel 1966; Hiernaux 1975; Rightmire 1975; Schepartz 1987) and their origin need not be sought elsewhere. These traits are also indigenous. The variability in tropical Africa is expectedly naturally high. Given their longstanding presence, narrow noses and faces cannot be deemed "non-African"..."
quote: Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley.
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.
Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
--Meredith F. Small* et al. The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains
Question is, do you understand the emphasized sentence here? It's the ultimate answer to your undercover racism.
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
Bones, Stones, and Genes: The Origin of Modern Humans Lecture 2- Genetics of Human Origins and Adaptation Sarah A. Tishkoff, Ph.D
SHUT THE HELL UP for your own sakes, with your lack of evidence.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QB] Ultimate null, I am disappointed in you that you can't understand that ancient Egyptians cluster mainly with Southern Egyptian groups Northeast, East Africans.
Is that the question I asked you, you racist dimwit?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] I must say troll,
I'm a bit disappointed in you. I thought your undercover status would make you answer the question directly and say Ancient Egyptians were closer to West Africans than Eurasians based on current genetic results.
Is that the question I asked you, you racist dimwit?
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
No, ultimate dimwit. But this is the question to your racism.
quote: African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
quote: "The Lower Egyptian cultures in the fifth and fourth millennia are marked by an architecture of ovoid or circular huts (pl. 1:8) made of light material (mud and reeds), rather close in aspect to the traditional architecture of sub-Saharan Africa."
--Olin and Blin 2003
The Khormusan: Evidence for an MSA East African industry in Nubia
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There is clear evidence of lithic technological variability in Middle Paleolithic (MP) assemblages along the Nile valley and in adjacent desert areas. One of the identified variants is the Khormusan, the type-site of which, Site 1017, is located north of the Nile's Second Cataract. The industry has two distinctive characteristics that set it apart from other MP industries within its vicinity. One is the use of a wide variety of raw materials; the second is an apparent correlation between raw material and technology used, suggesting a cultural aspect to raw material management. Stratigraphically, site 1017 is situated within the Dibeira-Jer formation which represents an aggradation stage of the Nile and contains sediments originating from the Ethiopian Highlands. While it has previously been suggested that the site dates to sometime before 42.5 ka, the Dibeira-Jer formation can plausibly be correlated with Nile alluvial sediments in northern Sudan recently dated to 83 ± 24 ka (MIS 5a). This stage coincides with the 81 ka age of sapropel S3, indicating higher Nile flow and stronger monsoon rainfall at these times.
Other sites which reflect similar raw material variability and technological traditions are the BNS and KHS sites in the Omo Kibish Formation (Ethiopia) dated to ∼100 ka and ∼190 ka respectively. Based on a lithic comparative study conducted, it is suggested that site 1017 can be seen as representing behavioral patterns which are indicative of East African Middle Stone Age (MSA) technology, adding support to the hypothesis that the Nile Valley was an important dispersal route used by modern humans prior to the long cooling and dry trend beginning with the onset of MIS 4. Techo-typological comparison of the assemblages from the Khormusan sites with other Middle Paleolithic sites from Nubia and East Africa is used to assess the possibility of tracing the dispersal of technological traits across the landscape and through time.
--Mae Goder-Goldberger
Quaternary International 25 June 2013, Vol.300:182–194, doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2012.11.031 The Middle Palaeolithic in the Desert
quote:"...Wiercinski (1965) noted an increase in the "African" (Negroid) element in crania recovered from the early dynastic tombs of Abydos as compared to the previous period. His taxonomy, like others, seems to have a narrow conception the of the range of real "African" variability. In general, this restricted view presents all tropical Africans with narrow noses and faces as being related to or descended from an external, ultimately non-African peoples. However, narrow-faced, narrow-nosed populations have long been resident in Saharo-tropical Africa (Gabel 1966; Hiernaux 1975; Rightmire 1975; Schepartz 1987) and their origin need not be sought elsewhere. These traits are also indigenous. The variability in tropical Africa is expectedly naturally high. Given their longstanding presence, narrow noses and faces cannot be deemed "non-African"..."
quote: Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley.
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.
Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
--Meredith F. Small* et al. The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains
Question is, do you understand the emphasized sentence here? It's the ultimate answer to your undercover racism.
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
Bones, Stones, and Genes: The Origin of Modern Humans Lecture 2- Genetics of Human Origins and Adaptation Sarah A. Tishkoff, Ph.D
SHUT THE HELL UP for your own sakes, with your lack of evidence.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
This is evident in archeology, anthropology and genetics etc...your implication/ suggestion is baseless, # 0.
With that racist real negro nonsense theory.
quote: African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.
quote: In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE. Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
Maybe not based on current genetic results, but you may be right about this. But my question is related to OTHER AFRICAN POPULATIONS than Southern Egyptians, Northeast and East Africans. Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
That's why I asked you the question about West Africans and Eurasians.
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Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Why does it really matter "What I think"??? You have a misunderstanding of Autosomal genetics plain and simple. We cannot analyze the position of East, West, and Ancient North East Africans (Egyptians) in relation to Eurasians on PCA if we dont have the data of Ancient Egyptians and Eurasians in PCA. You understand that now?
Also your idea of who is closest to who does not take into account Ancient Egyptian ancestry found in Eurasians that would make these Eurasians closer to Egyptians. Posts: 2463 | From: New Jersey USA | Registered: Dec 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Amun Ra the Ultimate: Ridiculous undercover racist talk. For one, it's not a theory, it's hard fact.
According to your racist theory that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry,
Strawman argument again. That's not my theory.
There goes the flip flopping lying ass troll again. You've said time after time again that any and every bit of relative closeness of an African population to Eurasian populations to the exclusion of West/Central Africans is EXCLUSIVELY due to admixture, so yes, you HAVE said that all ancestry not shared with West/Central Africans is Eurasian ancestry.
Cosigned, and he implied it again. In previous posts.
quote: We can also see that the oldest lineages are the ones shown in orange, and they are all specific to Africa, so oldest lineages are in Africa. The non-Africans have a subset of the African genetic diversity and tend to have much more recent lineages.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
Maybe not based on current genetic results, but you may be right about this. But my question is related to OTHER AFRICAN POPULATIONS than Southern Egyptians, Northeast and East Africans. Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
That's why I asked you the question about West Africans and Eurasians.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
You are delusional, for imposing this question in me. Ancient Egyptians are close to South Egyptian populations. Northeast, East Africans. Not to West Africans or Eurasians. I have cited sources for this matter already. Yet, you want everybody to jump on your delusional racist bandwagon. But, I am not joining you.
Different African taxonomy arose within Africa, as I have shown, you happen to call it hamitic like those Early European anthropologist. Your racist hamitic theory caused the Tutsi-Hutu war. Swenet, Beyoku others and I are against this theory.
Do you understand?
quote: The Neolithic culture of the Middle Nile Region was distributed through the Central and Northern regions in the 5th millennium BC. Several cultural traits mark the social and economical development of the Neolithic period.
Burial practices indicate the presence of social hierarchies. Regional cultures became more extensively distributed and, Ànally, the Late Neolithic cultures of this region became increasingly complex, forming the foundation for the development of the Bronze Age societies (A - Group, C - Group and Kerma civilisation).
The extensive excavations on Neolithic sites together with the results of the previous work in Nubia and Central Sudan have greatly increased our knowledge of the cultural development of the Neolithic period. However, many more questions concerning Neolithic development remain unanswered.
We know little about agricultural activities, land use, and community organisation. We lack information on the origins of the Neolithic of Central Sudan. Caneva argued that “the chronological gap which seemed to separate the Khartoum Mesolithic from the Shaheinab Neolithic is now consistently Àlled by the dotted wavy line cultures” (1993: 89-90).
Focusing the research on this matter ought to lead to an explanation as to what degree the older, local cultural base contributed to the development of the Neolithic culture of Central Sudan and what were the main factors that contributed to the development of the Neolithic societies in this whole area?
Current research has a major reevaluation of the evidence concerning the Neolithic. One of the issues that remain unsolved is the direction of the spread of these cultural development and the relations between different cultural areas and sites within these areas.
The homogeneity of the “cultural” groups who inhabited the large area of the Nile is a major issue. Styles and adaptations of life vary from site to site and from one area to another, which may suggest the development of local cultural preferences. Yet in many aspects these sites reÁect similarities were though they did not follow the same developments.
Social differentiation appeared among Sudanese herders by the 4th millennium BP. Clusters of especially rich graves of men, women, and children at Kadero I argue for differences in wealth, but there is no evidence of social stratiÀcation. Pastoral intensiÀcation and a decrease in wild animal use are also evident at some sites in the Middle Nile after 5300 BP. Despite these developments, the spread of herding was patchy: at Shaqadud, east of the Nile, subsistence focused on wild resources as late as 4000 BP.
This states that the "Negroid" group was the most dominant among the "other" elements during the Pre-Dynastic period.....let that fact sink in. None the less the all of the "races" of people listed are indigenous black Africans, and this was later corrected (in the 90's) to mean "Saharo-tropical" variants to include the WHOLE scope of black African physical diversity. Those "Mediterraneans" and "Cro Magnoids" are the contemporary East Africans shown in the purple on the map below (Nilotes/Nilo Saharan speakers and "Ethiopic" Horners).
The "Negroid" group is shown in the light blue and correlate with the Niger-Congo speakers and M2 lineage (Keita 2005):
Hence the "Negroid" facial features of the Sphinx:
Here is Keita's support for this stance:
"The M2 lineage is mainly found primarily in "eastern", "sub-saharan", and sub-equatorial African groups, those with the highest frequency of the "Broad" trend physiognomy, but found also in notable frequencies in Nubia and Upper Egypt, as indicated by the RFLP TaqI 49a, f variant IV (see Lucotte and Mercier, 2003; Al-Zahery et al. 2003 for equivalecies of markers), which is affiliated with it. The distribution of these markers in other parts of Africa has usually been explained by the "Bantu migrations", but their presence in the Nile Valley in non-Bantu speakers cannot be explained in this way.Their existence is better explained by their being present in populations of the early Holocene Sahara, who in part went on to people the Nile Valley in the mid-Holocene, according to Hassan (1988); this occurred long before the "Bantu migrations",which also do not explain the high frequency of M2 in Senegal, since there are no Bantu speakers there either" . S.O.Y. Keita American Journal of Human Biology 16:679-689 (2004)
Of course here is Ricaut's 2008 interpretation a plethora of correlating findings stemming back almost half decade supporting this stance:
Contextualization of this research by myself will come upon any (who I see serious about this) request.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll, here's my question again.
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
What makes you think you can just start spamming like that. Do you think me asking you that question repeatedly is the same situation as what you're doing? Troll Patroll has no moral obligation to answer your question if he doesn't want to; you're just randomly asking him a rigged question. You, on the other hand, DO have a moral obligation to give an answer to my question, because you're caught red handed LYING about what you said, and this LIE is at the crux of the whole argument. The debate cannot progress if you don't answer the question and this is precisely what you want-- prolonging it and buying time. If you answer the question I posted, your entire argument is exposed as nonsensical, which is precisely what this thread is about; your argument that all African varieties which do not resemble the genetic or physical "True Negro" are not "True Africans". It's why this thread even exists. Do you think I'd keep asking you the same question over and over because I'm interested in hearing your opinion or because I feel like I have the right to just randomly force people to answer my questions? What the hell do you think you're doing?
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LMAO. You sick psychopath. You ran away for days, have no comeback to my post, and still rear you face. After my post all you have to say for your no credibility having self is:
"I ain't forgot about that bullshit you wrote last night either cracker!"
And making idle threats? You have no shame, do you?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Dear Troll,
Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Dear, ultimate null. Ancient Egyptians are closer to Southern Egyptian groups. Northeast, East Africans. As I have mentioned before.
Maybe not based on current genetic results, but you may be right about this. But my question is related to OTHER AFRICAN POPULATIONS than Southern Egyptians, Northeast and East Africans. Some racists on this site (you, Swenet, Beyoku) say those populations even in ancient times and, we must guess, Ancient Egyptians times too, were closer to Eurasians than they were to most other African populations. This is like the hamitic myth and current genetic or archaeological results doesn't show any of that.
That's why I asked you the question about West Africans and Eurasians.
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I just want to warn people reading this forum about: Swenet Beyoku Trollkillah # Ish Gebor (aka Troll Patrol) Djehuti Tukuler (aka alTakruri) xyyman A few others.
Those people are undercover racists clowns trying to promote the hamitic race myth. What great Africans like Diop, Obenga fought against since the 50s and rejected as pseudo scientific racism by every quarters. Trying to say Ancient Egyptians were closer to Eurasians than most Sub-Saharan Africans (Yoruba, Somali, Wolof, Kongo, Zulu, Ganda, Dinka, etc) despite the genetic and archaeological results exposed in this thread and on this forum showing us the contrary. Notice how they squirm at the mention of haplogroup E-P2 obliterating their stupid racist theory!! The common paternal haplogroup among East, West and most African people alongside haplogroup A and B.
With exception to Beyoku I must agree!
Why not Beyoku? He's a clone of Swenet!
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Based on the current genetic results and basic isolation by distance logic, Upper Palaeolithic Egyptians were genetically closer to Eurasians. Now what, what are you gonna do?
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SMH. You spam the question a gazillion times and when it's answered you run away and go spam in other threads. The nerve of disingenuous bums like Akachi and Amun Ra. Can't even man up and defend their crackpot claims to save their lives, but swear they're right and that the person they're fleeing from is wrong, racist, and everything else under the sun.
quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: Based on current genetic results, do you think Ancient Egyptians are genetically closer to West Africans populations or Eurasian populations?
Based on the current genetic results and basic isolation by distance logic, Upper Palaeolithic Egyptians were genetically closer to Eurasians. Now what, what are you gonna do?
To clarify to the rest of the forum, there is no Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian genome, but for now, the next best thing are the genomes of EEF individuals like Iceman, Gokhem and Stuttgart. These populations would have had Upper Palaeolithic Egyptian admixture, as evidenced by the fact that they brought E-M78/E-V13 to Europe, as well as Nubian-like morphological elements (see Angel) and these EEF populations have little to no West African specific admixture (some reports put the figure of West African ancestry in these Neolithic genomes at a couple of percentages). By far, the most ancestry these EEFs have in common with Africans is shared with Maghrebis, Egyptians and East Africans (and outside of Africa, it's shared with Middle Easteners and Europeans), not West Africans.
These EEF individuals clearly gravitate towards Dinka (see the image below), moreso than other OOA populations, indicating that the shared purple component in the image above (Lazaridis et al 2013) can't be wished away as what some racists like Amun Ra would call "Eurasian ancestry".
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We in Africa even know the indigenous African tribal name of the people of the Exodus before they went to Europe to become the Jews and Hebrews. A review of a DNA study of Jewish people African tribes discovered one of the African tribes from which some of the people of the Exodus originated. Check it out in the New York Times of May 9, 1999. What does this prove? It proves the Ancient Egyptian and biblical stories were all Black people’s stories.
The Ancient Egyptians were Black people and their modern descendants are alive and well in Africa. Real evidence of the modern descendants of the Ancient Egyptians in the tribes of Africa and the language and culture these people left behind in Ancient Egypt is the most powerful evidence there is about the Black racial origin of the Ancient Egyptians. The Africans who wrote the Bible. Dr. Nana Banchie Darkwah (2000)
Tutsi/Ramses II
Top image shows the Fon art on the left hand side, which is reminiscent in its theme, of the ancient Egyptian wall relief of Rameses smiting an enemy on the right hand side. Bottom image shows another example of parallels between west Sahelian/Sub-Saharan art [likely Benin carving] — sporting the head of some carnivorous creature [likely a feline of some sort] on the left hand side, and two ancient Egyptian figurines — one sporting a falcon head, and the other, a feline; what stands out here, is the remarkably similar standing postures, particularly what they are doing with their arms and hands.
In Togo, Benin and Nigeria, the Kutito (among Gbe speaking people) and Egungun (among Yoruba speaking people) are masked dancing ancestors returning to earth to help and punish living people. Jean Charles Coovi Gomez pointed out that this ceremony was exactly the same as what we know of Kemetic "raising the Djed Pillar Ceremony".Egungun ,the Yoruba name of the ceremony means "bone, skeleton". In Kmt, the Djed pillar was considered as the backbone of the neter Ausar. There is ample evidence for mummification in traditional Africa. Félix Dubois reported it among Songhoi people, M.Delafosse among Baule(Akan) people of Ivory Coast, A.M.L Desplagnes among the Dogon and Mossi, J.C.C.Gomez among the Yoruba.
Mummy of the Obi Ijeh of Idumuoghu,Ibusa, Nigeria From Oscar Pfouma "Histoire culturelle de l'Afrique Noire":
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On the top, is an ancient Egyptian "paddle" doll, courtesy of the British Museum; in the middle, we have Ashanti examples of the fertility doll, and third image is yet another example of fertility dolls common amongst the Akan.
Fertility dolls are a fairly common theme in Africa, from the Akan speaking groups of Ghana to the Donguena, Evale, Hakawama, Himba, Humbe, Kwanyama, Mukubal, Mwila, Ndimba, Ngambwe, Ovambo and Zemba people of the semi-desert areas of Angola for example, and it appear that the ancient Egyptians were no different in this aspect.
A little trivia on the Egyptian "paddle doll"...
Such dolls are usually found in Upper Egypt and Nubia. (remember the quote from Keita about "Upper Egypt and Nubia" STILL having notable frequencies of the M2 lineage) When complete they have faces and hair of clay. Hair may also be of faience beads. This one is missing its hair. A number have been found dating to the second half of the 11th Dynasty from tombs in the neighbourhood of Deir el Bahri and are common at Thebes. However, at least two have been found in earlier tombs at Beni Hasan and one at Rifeh. Another was found beneath the Ramesseum at Thebes dating to the 13th Dynasty (Bourriau 1988, 126-127). Most are of 11th Dynasty to Middle Kingdom.
The marks on the body are thought to be tattoos or scarification and the end of the paddle, it has been suggested is an exaggerated pubic area. That such dolls are found mainly in female graves has led Egyptologists to suggest that these are fertility figurines put in graves to ensure fertility in the afterlife. - Courtesy of SWANSEA UNIVERSITY.
More Links this time in the form of serekhs in both cases by an object or an animal and while the Kemetic symbols developed into a full writing system where the name could be read,the Beninese kings used theirs as a memory device.
Prince Gagni Xesu (1620) is symbolised by a bird and a drum.
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The first one is a sculpture of a Yoruba figure called a Child of Obatala. Obatala is a Yoruba god. And the second one is the Egyptian god Bes. the third one is from the Kongo And all three are wearing a skull necklace.
The God Bes is connected to the Ba-Twa commonly known as Pygmies they were brought to Kush and Kemet to do the dances of the Gods,this pre-supposed some ancestral connections with that area especially when we factor in the Mountains of the moon and the source of the Nile.
Some interesting pectorals, from the Nile Valley and sub-Saharan west Africa. In this case, we have pectorals sporting ram heads, demonstrating remarkable parallelism; the examples here, include one from ancient Egypt and Nigeria (?). The ancient Egyptian example is obvious on the top right hand side, sporting a ram head with a sun disc.
Here are some Yoruba words which are rooted in ancient Egyptian:
EGYPT YORUBA 1. Wu (rise) Wu (rise) 2. Ausa (Osiris, father of the gods) Ausa (father) 3. Ere (python/ Serpent) Ere (Python / Serpent) 4. Horise (a great god) Orise (a great god) 5. Sen (group of worshippers) Sen ( to worship) 6. Ged (to chant0 Igede (a chant) 7. Ta (sell / offer) Ta (sell/offer) 8. Sueg (a fool) Suegbe (a fool) 9. On ( living person) One ( living person) 10. Kum (a club) Kumo( a club) 11. Enru (fear / terrible) Eru (fear / terrible 12. Kun / qun (brave man) Ekun (title of a brave man) 13. Win (to be) Wino (to be) 14. Odonit (festival) Odon (festival) 15. Ma or mi (to breath) Mi. (to breathe) 16. Tebu (a town) Tebu (a town) 17. Adumu (a water god) Adumu (a water god) 18. Khu (to kill) Ku (die) 19. Rekha (knowledge} Larikha (knowledge) 20 Hika (evil) Ika (evil) 21 Mhebi (humble) Mebi, humble to ones family 22 Sata (perfect) Santan (perfect) 23 Unas (lake of fire) Una (fire) 24 Tan (complete) Tan (complete) 25 Beru (force of emotion) Beru (fear) 26 Em (smell) Emi (smell) 27 Pa (open) Pa (break open) 28 Bi (to become) Bi (to give birth, to become) 29 Hepi (a water god) Ipi (a water god) 30 Sami (water god) Sami (a water god) 31 Osiri (a water god) Oshiri (a water god) 32 Heqet – Re (frog deity) Ekere (the frog) 33 Feh (to go away) Feh (to blow away) 34 Kot (build) Ko (build) 35 Kot (boat) Oko (boat) 36 Omi (water) Omi (water) 37 Ra (time) Ira (time) 38 Oni (title of Osiris) Oni (title of the king of Ife) 39 Budo (dwelling place) Budo (dwelling place) 40 Dudu (black image of Osiris) Dudu (black person) 41 Un (living person) Una (living person) 42 Ra (possess) Ra (possess/buy) 43 Beka (pray/confess) Be or ka (to pray or confess) 44 Po (many) Po (many/cheap) 45 Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo (head) (Ijebu) 46 Min (a god) Emin (spirit) 47 Ash (invocation) Ashe (invocation) 48 Aru (mouth) Arun (mouth ) Ilaje 49 Do (river) Odo (river) 50 Do (settlement) Udo (settlement) 51 Shekiri (water god) Shekiri (a water god) 52 Bu (a place) Bu ,a place 53 Khepara (beetle Akpakara (beetle) 54 No (a water god Eno (a water god) 55 Ra -Shu (light after darkness Uran-shu (the light of the moon 56 Run-ka (spirit name) Oruko (name) 57 Deb/dib to pierce Dibi (to pierce) 58 Maat (goddess of justice Mate (goddess of justice) 59 Aru (rise) Ru (rise up) 60 Fa (carry) Fa (pull) 61 Kaf (pluck) Ka (pluck) 62 Bu bi (evil place) Bubi (evil place) 63 In- n (negation In-n (negation) 64 Iset (a water god) Ise (a water god) 65 Shabu (watcher) Ashonbo (watcher) 66 Semati (door keeper) Sema (lock/shut the door) 67 Khenti amenti (big words of Osiris Yenti – yenti (big, very big) 68 Ma (to know) Ma (to know) 69 Bebi, a son of osiris) Ube, a god 70 Tchatcha chief (they examined the death to see if they tricked tsatsa (a game of tricks, gambling ) 71 Ren( animal foot) Ren (to walk) 72 Ka (rest) Ka (rest/tired) 73 Mu (water) Mu (drink water) 74 Abi (against) Ubi (against / impediment) 75 Reti (to beseech) Retin (to listen) 76 Hir (praise) Yiri (praise) 77 Ta(spread out) Ta (spread out) 78 Kurud (round) Kurudu (round) 79 Ak – male Ako (male) 80 Se – to create Se (to create) 81 Hoo (rejoice) Yo (rejoice) 82 Kamwr (black) Kuru (extremely black 83 Omitjener (deep water) Omijen (deep water) 84 Nen, the primeval water mother) Nene (mother 85 Ta (land) Ita (land junction) 86 Horiwo (head) Oriwo (head) 87 Ro (talk) Ro (to think) 88 Kurubu (round) Kurubu (deep and round) 89 Penka (divide) Kpen (divide) 90 Ma-su (to mould) Ma or su (to mould) 91 Osa (time) Osa (time) 92 Osa (tide) Osa ( tide) 93 Fare (wrap) Fari (wrap) 94 Kom (complete) Kon (complete) 95 Edjo (cobra) Edjo (cobra) 96 Didi (red fruit) Diden (red) 97 Ba (soul) Oba (king) soul of a people 98 Ke (hill) Oke( hill 99 Anubis (evil deity) Onubi (evil person) 100 Kan (one: Middle Egyptian) Okan one) 101 Nam (water god) Inama (water god)
The Igbo Pyramids (Nigerian)
Resembles Djoser's pyramid
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Name translation in ancient Egyptian: The Bini, the original people and founders of the Benin empire (aka, Edo empire) Binni - a phallic god
"The king's wall in Benin City. Benin, Nigeria. Silver gelatin print, 10.2cm x 13.9cm (4" x 5.5"wink. Photograph by J. H. Swainson, 1892. Macdonald Niger Coast Protectorate Album, A1996-190138."
[It should be noted that the angle doesn't give a good impression of the height of the wall:
"Legroing tells us : " The city of Benin is situated in a plain surrounded by deep ditches. Vestiges of an old earthen wall are to be seen ; the wall could hardly have been built of any other material as we did not see a single stone in the whole journey up. The houses for the most part are covered with latanier leaves, and those of the king with large shingles. In front of the king's houses there were two thick clumps of high trees, and these appeared to us to be the only trees planted by the hand of man (Labarthe, p. 175)." From Landolphe we learn that a " ditch more than 20 feet wide and as deep surrounds the town, and the soil taken out is made on the city side into a talus, on which a thorny hedge has been planted so thick, that not even an animal can get through. The height of this talus deprives one of a view of the houses at a distance, and one does not see them until entering the town, the gates of which are very far apart " (II., 48). " The streets are very broad ; in the middle there is turf on which the kids and sheep feed ; about thirty feet from the houses there is a level road, covered with sand for the inhabitants to walk on " [ibid, II., 50). He also mentions several spacious courts surrounded by earthen walls about sixteen feet high. Along the inside of the walls there ran a gallery fifteen feet wide, thatched with natanier. The thatching is done by overlapping the leaves which not being pulled apart, fall one on top of another to a thickness of eighteen inches. This roof is supported by large pieces of timber cut into the shape of pillars. They are set up about eighteen feet apart, and carry stout horizontal planks on which abut the sloping joists which carry the roof, which was an ingenious piece of work " (ibid, I., 111-112). Of the apartments of the king's wives he says the walls are twenty feet high and five feet thick, solidly built of earth [ibid, I., 335)." - H. Ling Roth, Great Benin ]Posts: 348 | From: Atlanta | Registered: Jan 2014
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These birds and snakes are called Serekeh's which indicate ancient Egyptian royalty:
Ancient Egyptians serekehs:
Swenet is a double agent cracker (there are several on here, and they even have "Euro" sock puppets) sent here to over complicate and blatantly lye about our history. Hence the over emphasis of every black African type (ESPECIALLY Horners, Fulani, Tutsi, Beja etc) in ancient Egypt accept the main fucking one...US!
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