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Regardless what Obama might or might not do in office, we know one thing for sure and have recent history to stand in testimony. Black or white, when the "power structure" feels "bothered" by a national stance or philosophy which is not their cup of tea, they assassinate. We need only look back a few decades to what happened to King, JFK, Robert Kennedy, and Malcolm X. If Obama "crossed" the line they put in the sand, pure and simply, they will kill him.
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Back to the Future: The Power of Obama's Oratory
January 6, 2008, By Shawn Parry-Giles, Professor, Department of Communication, University of Maryland
"If Obama ultimately is victorious in New Hampshire and beyond, much can be attributed to the power of his stump speech - what some consider a lost art. The power of his oratory may well say as much about the state of the electorate in the post-Bush years, where citizens seem hungry for inspiration and a faith in the nation once again, which has long been a hallmark of the rhetorical presidency, the centerpiece of presidential campaigning, and a integral component of the nation's history."
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One thing people need to realize is that this whole race is a pre-scripted sham. From Hillary crying and her campaign "breaking down", to the double digit leads that Obama had going into New Hamsphire, to the "amazing" comback staged at the wire by Clinton in New Hampshire and on and on, it is all designed to make people "believe" in Obama as "their" man and that black folks are actually WINNING in America and that the system actually WORKS. But at the end of the day, Clinton will be the democratic candidate and Obama will have done his job of energizing the black vote after it was so brazenly stolen and abused in the last election. Much of the ups and downs and dramatic swings seen in this campaign are nothing but carefully scripted acts designed to make voters believe in the American political system after the disastrous 8 years of George Bush and co. Therefore they NEED a black man and a woman to be in the race and signaling "change" and most of all they NEED a black man like Obama to SEEM like he is leading the race, because it makes it SEEM like there is a possibility of CHANGE in the system and makes the system seem credible again to the people.
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All good points. But as I hinted in another thread Obama was/is never going to win the nomination. It is a dream. My belief is besides it being scripted there is a sincere desire by the neo-cons for Obama to win. Listening to Hannity, Rush and the crew you know that. They want Obama to defeat Hillary (the "stop Hillary" movement is coming from them). Pump money into Obama's camp hoping he can do the upset. If he wins then they will have an easier task with Obama. Face it - he is young and inexperienced at the national level. Never was Governor (Recent times - mostly X-Governors are elected) and addition to being AA having popped a "few" in his younger days. These guy don't play nice. They are nice to him now because he is not a credible threat.
Remember Willy Horton.
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Obama is not really a vote for change. As an example, if you ask Obama if he would bring the troops home as President, he will NEVER give a straight answer. It is always some sort of "well, uhh, but, if" kind of double talk. He is a politician and as a politician he does what politicians do best: lie. He is already a darling of the Neo-Cons (along with Hillary and the Republicans), because as a black man, many blacks and other Americans would ACCEPT legislation to bring the nation closer to being a POLICE-STATE with LESS civil liberties, under the banner of "fighting crime" and "national security". Not that fighting crime and national security aren't important, but the rights and civil liberties of the people still need to be respected. And also, better funding for schools in the inner cities, REBUILDING inner cities, which are as bad off as New Orleans even WITHOUT a hurricane (but won't happen for the same reasons) are also needed to break the cycle of self destruction in the inner cities.
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We having to remember who the electorate are - Half don't vote, about 80% watch Reality TV, believing Lost and Survivor is real(forgeting the 50 or so camera and production crew), and almost all let the media make their choices for them.
There isn't enough progressive white folks that vote to elect a black man/person as President.
And as the last resort the powers that will scare people to not vote for Obama. Assassination is outdated. Why assassinate when they can control how people think and vote.
You probably heeard the storied put out their already - Qaeda plant, Hassan the muslim, Black Nationalist associations. The media hasn't ratched it up as yet(the modern day Willy Horton strategy))
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Trust me. The powers that be like Obama. It is a win/win situation for them. He makes the system seem legitimate to the masses even if he loses and he is the perfect poster child that can be used to usher in policies that will ultimately suit the agenda of the corporate powers that be that run American politics if he wins. As I said, he really ISN'T a vote for change, but the same old same in black face. Therefore the news will try as much as possible to make it SEEM as if Obama is leading or the front runner or a CONTENDER as much as possible, because they NEED him to convince the population that the system is CHANGING and not a corrupt, money controlled system mainly run in the best interests of corporate power brokers. And they ESPECIALLY need black folks to believe in the system as modern day slaves who don't really have much more to show for being here than the ability to live paycheck to paycheck, with no power, control or REAL WEALTH of their own....
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Hold Up. We may be off-base here bro. From what I read about Obama it is not about him getting black votes. About half don't support him. any of his support comes from young white college kids and some white women(Oprah). So I don't see the point about him influencing the Bros and Sistas.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Hold Up. We may be off-base here bro. From what I read about Obama it is not about him getting black votes. About half don't support him. any of his support comes from young white college kids and some white women(Oprah). So I don't see the point about him influencing the Bros and Sistas.
True, it started out that way, but now it seems the attention in the media he gets along with the fact he is portrayed as a CONTENDER is helping his cause among blacks. Like I said, it isn't so much whether they vote for Obama, it is getting blacks to BELIEVE in the system and out to vote after what happened under Bush and co. Therefore, he NEEDS to look like frontrunner or serious CONTENDER so that they can draw MORE BLACKS off the fence and back to believing IN THE SYSTEM. The point is that it does the SYSTEM no good to have a whole bunch of disenfranchised black folks sitting around doubting the system and NOT VOTING or participating. It makes the SYSTEM look bad as black folks, women and other minorities are supposedly the GAUGE for how far America has TRULY progressed... or not. And when I say the system I don't just mean politics. The system needs blacks to BELIEVE that they can REALLY get ahead and make it to the TOP of the heap and that they REALLY have a future in America and that things are REALLY LOOKING UP for blacks in America. Obama helps provide some measure of all of that for THE SYSTEM.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: We having to remember who the electorate are - Half don't vote, about 80% watch Reality TV, believing Lost and Survivor is real(forgeting the 50 or so camera and production crew), and almost all let the media make their choices for them.
There isn't enough progressive white folks that vote to elect a black man/person as President.
The important issue isn't whether or not Obama the black man can get in,
but who's really for change, and thus, who is Obama.
Doug M says:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: One thing people need to realize is that this whole race is a pre-scripted sham. From Hillary crying and her campaign "breaking down", to the double digit leads that Obama had going into New Hamsphire, to the "amazing" comback staged at the wire by Clinton in New Hampshire and on and on, it is all designed to make people "believe" in Obama as "their" man and that black folks are actually WINNING in America and that the system actually WORKS. But at the end of the day, Clinton will be the democratic candidate and Obama will have done his job of energizing the black vote after it was so brazenly stolen and abused in the last election. Much of the ups and downs and dramatic swings seen in this campaign are nothing but carefully scripted acts designed to make voters believe in the American political system after the disastrous 8 years of George Bush and co. Therefore they NEED a black man and a woman to be in the race and signaling "change" and most of all they NEED a black man like Obama to SEEM like he is leading the race, because it makes it SEEM like there is a possibility of CHANGE in the system and makes the system seem credible again to the people.
Good points.
As for this need thing, that's what everybody saw, with this upcoming election after "4 more years" of Bush.
However
Perhaps Obama and Hillary realized this "NEED" as a perfect oppertunity, and then capitalized?
Isn't that a possibility?
quote:Like I said, it isn't so much whether they vote for Obama, it is getting blacks to BELIEVE in the system and out to vote after what happened under Bush and co.
And what perfect timing, after you know who got elected, especially the way he did.
quote:The point is that it does the SYSTEM no good to have a whole bunch of disenfranchised black folks sitting around doubting the system and NOT VOTING or participating. It makes the SYSTEM look bad as black folks, women and other minorities are supposedly the GAUGE for how far America has TRULY progressed... or not.
LOL, that's true, and certainly it doesn't take much to notice we're cynic.
Infact, I've seen an article on the matter written by a psychology who said he's surprised it's not worse [cynicism] in the black populace.
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I don't doubt for a second that the two democratic front runners are motivated by a personal desire to succeed and "capitalize" on the opportunities presented to them. However, I don't think that that desire to succeed and motivation will translate into BIG CHANGES for America overall or affect progress for AAs specifically in any real sense. Cities will continue to be plagued by crime and drugs, public schools will continue to produce criminals and the murder rate among blacks will continue to destroy AA communities. Not to mention the socio-economic progress for AAs is not as progressive as some would like, with AAs communities still having a poverty rate almost 3 times as that of other communities.
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quote:Originally posted by Young H*O*R*U*S: All this bullshit can be avoided by just voting for Ron Paul
Funny you should say that . . .cause someone turned me on to him recently. Looking at his bio I may vote for him being an R.
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I feel you BOX. The question is . . . .who is Obama and not if he is an AA. But I was responding to the comment about "assassinations and possibility of electing a AA".
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Quite busy today, but here is a quote to think about:
quote:Race and Voting behavior. The media were surprised with the results yesterday. They should not have. People who study voting behavior note that voters often lie about their electoral intentions especially when race is involved. White voters inflate their desire to vote for a black candidate and the black candidate almost always capture less of the white vote than was previously projected by opinion polls or even by exit polls. When Doug Wilder was first elected as the first black governor, he received far less of the white vote than was projected in opinion surveys. Similarly, when the Nazi David Duke ran governor he captured more of the white vote than was projected before the election. So voters often register their responses fearing that they may be perceived as racist. People who study voter behavior in UK have also noticed that Thatcher was receiving more support in the 1980s than was projected in opinion surveys: many young British voters were relectant to tell pollster of their intentions to vote for her because it was not cool among the young to voter for a Conservative candidate.
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I like the cabbie bit LOL. But they got to watch what they say about my boy - Clarence Thomas.
by Min. Paul Scott
Let's flip the script and reverse the question, Is America ready for a Black president? Being chief executive of a superpower is a difficult job, with unimaginable pressures. Has pervasive racism in the United States prepared any Black person for the experience of wielding near god-like power while simultaneously contending with Made-in-the-USA bigotry? What's the Ultimate HNIC (Head-Negro-in-Charge) to do? How will he cope with being "President of all Americans" - including David Duke Klansmen, predatory lenders, red-lining bankers...and cabbies that won't pick him up?
quote:Originally posted by Arwa: Quite busy today, but here is a quote to think about:
quote:Race and Voting behavior. The media were surprised with the results yesterday. They should not have. People who study voting behavior note that voters often lie about their electoral intentions especially when race is involved. White voters inflate their desire to vote for a black candidate and the black candidate almost always capture less of the white vote than was previously projected by opinion polls or even by exit polls. When Doug Wilder was first elected as the first black governor, he received far less of the white vote than was projected in opinion surveys. Similarly, when the Nazi David Duke ran governor he captured more of the white vote than was projected before the election. So voters often register their responses fearing that they may be perceived as racist. People who study voter behavior in UK have also noticed that Thatcher was receiving more support in the 1980s than was projected in opinion surveys: many young British voters were relectant to tell pollster of their intentions to vote for her because it was not cool among the young to voter for a Conservative candidate.
Some websites are claiming that the Diebold machines used may have been rigged. The same accusation has been made re the Ron Paul results.
The results are interesting because the polls[there were quite a few]--accurate for the Republicans and others except for Clinton-Obama--predicted one thing yet another result came up.
I am bit a puzzled because if the voters were gave false answers it's hard to explain why, when those who said "Obama" could just have easily said "Edwards"--who in this instance was the predicted third-run candidate.
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I just looked at the B.Agenda Report. It's on target but the problem is that it does not offer any solutions to the problems--as they see it--of institutional racism and corporatism.
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I just review some of this woman [Cynthia McKinney] material and I am amazed at what I found ... This video really needs to be passed around, especially now, being that we are in a new voting year.
I mean she been dodging some questions on different events, as well and actually got caught lying, but this video is the truth; she's the truth.
This is a slap in the face so I would advise everyone to pass this around to AA forums ...
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Bottom line, the media has been hyping Obama all along, making his campaign more potent than it really is:
quote: Voters in New Hampshire weren’t wrong about who they wanted to be the next Democratic presidential nominee, but the pundits, pollsters and even the campaigns completely missed the mark in the run-up to Tuesday’s vote.
Borrowing from an old and familiar playbook, Hillary Clinton pulled off an unexpected win in New Hampshire after five days of slipping poll numbers, accusations of feigned tears and low turnout at campaign events.
Throughout the voting day, exit polling offered no solid evidence to suggest that Barack Obama wouldn’t walk away the victor, besting the former first lady twice in a week, and catapulting him into history as the first African American ever to win the New Hampshire primary.
But as the counting came to a close on Wednesday morning, Clinton had scored 39 percent and more than 110,000 votes in an election with record turnout. Obama nipped at her heels, getting 36 percent of the total, but never once passing Clinton during the night-long count.
Even before the race was called Tuesday night, the narrative told a new tale, with some of those same pundits who had predicted disaster for Clinton now parsing the results by suggesting New Hampshire voters are notoriously unpredictable or Obama’s message of “change” didn’t resonate with Granite Staters the way it had in Iowa.
Throughout the new storyline, however, Clinton herself was credited with the unexpected turnaround.
“I have seen candidates who face defeat and sort of give up, and you see candidates who face defeat and, you know, keep fighting,” said Democratic strategist and FOX News contributor Susan Estrich. “She kept fighting.”
Clinton’s pivotal moment can be marked at a point less than 24 hours before the voting began, say several political observers who traced it to a campaign stop in Portsmouth. It was there the New York senator’s voice took on a feminine vulnerability after she was asked to respond to a question about how she copes with the hectic schedule.
“This is very personal for me,” Clinton answered her questioner in a soft, weepy voice. “It’s not just political, it’s not just public. I see what’s happening, we have to reverse it.”
That response led the top of the newscasts around the nation Monday night. While people watched with mixed reactions, for many, Clinton suddenly stopped being a calculating, power-hungry cyclops and took on actual humanity.
“Hillary Clinton shows some emotion and (people) say, wait a minute, the ice queen is melting and there is a real person inside,” said Juan Williams, FOX News contributor and correspondent for National Public Radio.
For some candidates, “you finally find the right sensation within you and you start to communicate to people and that’s what happened to Hillary yesterday and the day before,” said Clinton adviser Lanny Davis.
But not everyone credits the election day bounce to Clinton’s “reverse Ed Muskie moment” — the description given to the emotional episode because it seemed to have the opposite effect on Clinton as crying did on the 1972 Democratic front-runner whose campaign was buried when he lamented personal attacks on his wife.
“She pretended to cry, the women felt sorry for her and they went for her,” said Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard publisher and FOX News contributor.
Dick Morris, a former Bill Clinton adviser and current FOX News contributor, said he thinks Clinton’s well of support came from working people, women and seniors, who believed in Clinton’s expertise in the areas of health care and education, and he suggested that in the last few days Clinton was able to drive those points home on the trail and in a televised debate.
“She showed a capacity to take a punch that was extraordinary,” Morris said. “I have never seen a comeback like this in my entire political life. … And I gotta say that this means, I think, that she’s going to win” the Democratic nomination.
FOX News exit polls show Clinton did win over voters earning less than $50,000 as well as those who said experience was the quality they most valued in a candidate
Which goes back to what I was saying about Obama being what is NEEDED and USED to prop up the credibility of the American system.
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I have no dog in this race ane wouldn't vote on one if asked. But the point is that the polls[there were a number of them] were accurate for all except the Obama-Clinton result. That's the small point I am making.
The U.S. voters do have some personal will and if they didn't care about BO then they would just have said so.
I believe that the Clinton organisation panicked when their anointed one--who stuck with Bill through thick and thin and Monica--just for this moment. Clinton Inc.[i.e. the Machine] probably said among themselves---"By Gawd,...by hook or by crook we're going through". Worse things have happened before. Watch out for the "America's first black female president" switching and baiting "the trusty darkies" in Carolina.
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This isn't so relevant to the issues of the most recent posts in this thread; but concerning race, and the race, elections, and the international attention it's getting is the following.
I'm in Hungary. But, it was my Polish friend, Janusz, who sent me the YouTube on Obama I posted here. He thought that as I'm black I'd be interested in the news and he himself and his wife are pro-Obama. His one line letter just rooted, "Go Obama! Go!"
His wife commented that the Poles are uninspired with what she called the "boring Polish presidential campaigns" but that all Poles are watching America's campaign with interest. She was amazed that this is only January and the mesmerizing excitement level is already intense; and commented that in the coming month's it's hard to imagine how fever-pitched it will become.
Her husband said (I don't know if it's true) that after seeing Obama in front-runner status, the government gave him Secret Service protection. And also said that with his newly won stature that he was elevated in some (I think he meant the following groups) right-wing groups and might not survive the elections as he is now targeted for removal.
His wife is enthralled with the art of his oratory and both are tired of Bush and say it's time for a change though the husband doesn't think Obama would bring any changes.
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quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: Her husband said (I don't know if it's true) that after seeing Obama in front-runner status, the government gave him Secret Service protection.
Where I worked, a fund raising in June at the Oakland Rotunda Building, Secret Service were all over the place. They told everyone that worked in the building to be gone by five. Our security guard had to have a security background check.
He took a picture with Obama, and his people came back that following Monday and gave him a copy. He was so excited.
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At the end of a dusty, dirt road lined with mango and mimosa trees, Barack Obama's Kenyan relatives sat outside on plastic chairs surrounded by chickens and drying corn kernels, listening to radio reports from New Hampshire.
Kogelo, the western Kenyan home village of Barack Obama's father, has been spared the political and ethnic violence that has erupted elsewhere in this country following a disputed presidential election. But it was just 90 minutes' drive from a town where torched, ransacked and looted buildings bear testimony to the clashes, and the turmoil in Kenya, as well as his nephew's success in the U.S., was on Said Obama's mind.
Watch CNN video of Obama's Kenyan grandmother discussing Barack's chances for winning and what she thinks about Hillary:
quote:Originally posted by Arwa: ^ there is no "Black America"? Puff!
There is a black America. Fact is, most whites and foreigners are afraid to go there. Obama/Clinton don't visit there either. Obama did speak to them early in his run for office. As I recall, he advised them to buy some trash bags and clean the place up.
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Myra. I loved your YouTube link to Obama's wise, clear-minded, earthy grandmother; and much like my own black-skinned grandmother, full of strength and wisdom. The clip reminds me of the South Carolina I used to visit every summer as a child. I didn't husk corn as she did but with my aunt, and bare foot, would husk peas under a huge oak tree on the sandy ground. Something timeless and alluring about her. He comes from good roots. I love her jet-black skin. She looks so beautiful.
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