I am new to this side even though I have been in Egypt for nearly 2 years now. I would like to enquire if anybody has experience marriage to an Egyptian man. I read from former Topics that one lady mentioned she got married in Lazoughy Square in Cairo where the Ministry of Justice is. She mentioned she only need to make a declaration that she is legally single which she obtained from the British Council even though she was not british, I am a bit in a dilemma. I am German and asked the German embassy many many times on this subject an they advised that I need to have a formal declaration from Germany that I have never been married. This is impossible to me as I have been residing for 15 years in Britain from the age of 22 onwards. There are so many option of what to do and quite frankly I dont trust the people at the embassies as most of the times they dont even know what time of the day it is. Can anybody clarify this situation what I have to do. My boyfriend and myself have been dating for 3 years and he proposed marriage some while ago. Thanks all and have a fantastic day xxxx
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You need to bring them a proof stating that you’re not currently married , and if you used to be married they also need to see a divorce certificate ,,, if you can’t obtain it from Germany , then you can try with the civil registration office in the UK ,,,, I’ve been through all these complications until I finally got legally married and I’m ready to answer all your queries
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thanks spasm for your feedback. I just wrote an e mail to the civil registration in uk so lets hope they let me have a response. What you are ssying a sworn statment is not enough as one lady on this side said that is all she provided to the Ministry of Justice. Unfortunately germany is not willing to provide such statment as I left at the age of 22 even though I am still holding german nationality. Some people are weird,really.
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Ok , but they are liable to proof your status during those 22 years you spent in Germany , the registration office here will ask any one to proof his marital status in each country he/she lived in for more than six month or one year I can’t really remember .. So without these certificates they won’t legalize your marriage Don’t be amazed it took me 6 months to finish the whole thing
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hi soozi, i found exactly the same and there is a truth in this statment it really depends on how they feel. lets hope I get somwhere now as i have been pulling out my hair with the german embassy here in Cairo. Good day!
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sorry , sooz , i didn't notice your presence yes , i totally agree and their mood also differ according to the nationality of the foreign husband or wife
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where are you guys originally from ? How do you find it here in cairo. I am lonely and find a bit hard, people are not alwasy curteous towards foreigners in fact all they see in me is USd, Euro or English Pounds.
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quote:Originally posted by solvig: Hello everybody,
I am new to this side even though I have been in Egypt for nearly 2 years now. I would like to enquire if anybody has experience marriage to an Egyptian man. I read from former Topics that one lady mentioned she got married in Lazoughy Square in Cairo where the Ministry of Justice is. She mentioned she only need to make a declaration that she is legally single which she obtained from the British Council even though she was not british, I am a bit in a dilemma. I am German and asked the German embassy many many times on this subject an they advised that I need to have a formal declaration from Germany that I have never been married. This is impossible to me as I have been residing for 15 years in Britain from the age of 22 onwards. There are so many option of what to do and quite frankly I dont trust the people at the embassies as most of the times they dont even know what time of the day it is. Can anybody clarify this situation what I have to do. My boyfriend and myself have been dating for 3 years and he proposed marriage some while ago. Thanks all and have a fantastic day xxxx
Hello solvig,
As i got u r citizen of Germany, just live in UK for a lot of years. Right? Then it doesnt change anything- u need to get a reference from appropriate office in Germany. (donno how it is called there; here- Office of Citizenship and Migration. And then u can legalize this reference or statement in the Germany- at Consular department by Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Only this kind of statement will accept ur Embassy of Germany in Egypt. As follows, they will prepare necessary paper for Ministry of Justice saying that embassy accepts ur marriage with egyptian citizen. As i know it is the only way and i think German embassy told u right. Embassy cant give u data about ur family status, they can only help to legalize necessary statements. Good luck for u!!!
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Spasm, no I'm not married to anyone - nobody wants me - I have just read everybody else's story!
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No, I'm in the north west of England! At least the sun is shining, but I wish I was in Cairo with you!
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Never to Cairo - I've spent time in Luxor and Aswan! Oooh Aswan - I love that place!
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quote:Originally posted by solvig: where are you guys originally from ? How do you find it here in cairo. I am lonely and find a bit hard, people are not alwasy curteous towards foreigners in fact all they see in me is USd, Euro or English Pounds.
How long have you been living in Cairo Solvig? Do you not have any other European friends to spend time with? I can imagine it being lonely if not! Posts: 836 | From: UK | Registered: Jun 2006
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And ever since your visit you have been coming to this forum ? you must’ve liked Egypt very much then You are welcome to come here at any time dear , but let it be in winter:)
You need a 'Ehefähigkeitszeugnis' - to obtain which you need to supply all the paperwork of your future spouse, ie. his certified passport copy, birth certificate and certificate that he is unmarried, all translated from Arabic by certified translator and legalised - from the 'Standesamt' of the last town where you were registered (angemeldet), even though you lived abroad for many years.
This works on the premise that had you got married in England or elsewhere, this marriage would have had to be registered at the Standesamt of your last place of abode, too, even in your absence... Hence this Standesamt will always know your status...
So collect all the papers for fiance, have them translated and legalised, send off all to this Standesamt with request for 'Ehefähigkeitszeugnis' - this takes about 6 - 8 weeks to be issued - once you receive the Ehefähigkeitszeugnis, you take that to the German Embassy, who will give you their certificate in Arabic, and with that you head to the Shar El Khary and marry...
Marriage certificate goes back to Embassy, they will acknowledge your marriage - but YOU have to inform your Standesamt yourself for the marriage to be registered in Germany, too...
Good luck and all best wishes for your marriage!!! Bubble
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Actually I’m half Egyptian but never actually lived here , until I was 28:) now i'm 33 Well,Egypt is very fine but the difference between social standards is very huge … And I believe that this is the only negative impression I have regarding Cairo
quote:Originally posted by Bubblesperson: Hello Solvig!!!
You need a 'Ehefähigkeitszeugnis' - to obtain which you need to supply all the paperwork of your future spouse, ie. his certified passport copy, birth certificate and certificate that he is unmarried, all translated from Arabic by certified translator and legalised - from the 'Standesamt' of the last town where you were registered (angemeldet), even though you lived abroad for many years.
This works on the premise that had you got married in England or elsewhere, this marriage would have had to be registered at the Standesamt of your last place of abode, too, even in your absence... Hence this Standesamt will always know your status...
So collect all the papers for fiance, have them translated and legalised, send off all to this Standesamt with request for 'Ehefähigkeitszeugnis' - this takes about 6 - 8 weeks to be issued - once you receive the Ehefähigkeitszeugnis, you take that to the German Embassy, who will give you their certificate in Arabic, and with that you head to the Shar El Khary and marry...
Marriage certificate goes back to Embassy, they will acknowledge your marriage - but YOU have to inform your Standesamt yourself for the marriage to be registered in Germany, too...
Good luck and all best wishes for your marriage!!! Bubble
As i understand, she plans to marry in Egypt. What papers for fiance are u talking about???? My husband needed only his ID!
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yes , this is true if the husband is having the Egyptain nationality , he needs only a local ID and a couple of photos to be glued later on the marriage certificate
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Bubble- u mean there is a possibility to get this statementabout not married by post, just sending necessary papers to this 'Standesamt'????
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If your 16 and never been married before and planning on marrying in Egypt, what proof do you get that you have never been married before and where do you get that proof?
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You should all repeat dear Soozi's line 100times- 'Bubble knows everything', hahaha... Well, I sure do now THIS, though, experience of German friends marrying Egyptians IN Egypt...
(And Bubble did not go for a bubble bath, hahaha, but to school teaching, meaning to be tortured by students, am knackered now...).
Dear Spasm and Aya Hosni - HI!!! - I think the confusion is what does the Egy fiance need for Shar El Khary for the EGYPTIANS....
However, the question is what does Solvig, the German citizen, need to obtain HER certificate of marital status... And this is ALWAYS issued by the registry office (Standesamt) of the town one is (or was last) registered in as living there.
Okay, when applying for this certificate to register the banns and make wedding appointment, Germans ALWAYS like to know WHO one is marrying, ie. their status and that all is legal. IF a German marries a German, they wouldn't even know all this checking is going on, since officials do it all on computer where they have ALL info on all Germans...
But obviously in cases of foreign spouses this info is not available, hence the German national, in order to be issued with the certificate of marital status (EHEFÄHIGKEITSZEUGNIS, which means as much as 'Certificate of marriage ABILITY', always makes me laugh, this!!! Now if they are all so 'able', how come there are still divorces in Germany...) NEEDS to supply all the necessary info on spouse...
This is why all of those papers are needed - translated and legalised... Only THEN after receipt and due checking of all this, will the Standesamt issue this certificate, which albeit, is in German. That is why one takes it to the German Embassy in Cairo, who give one the same thing stamped by them in ARABIC - and then with this one goes to the Shar El Khary for wedding..
Afterwards one takes Arabic wedding certificate back there for the Embassy to confirm that his wedding took place and all is legal...
However, as far as I know the Embassy does NOT inform the German authorities /Standesamt themselves, one needs to take or send this last paper to the relevant Standesamt oneself to have the marriage properly recognised and registered inside Germany, too....
And yes, again as far as I know one does not need to show up in person to ask for this status-certificate to be issued, one can do it by registered mail - however, they might want a legalised copy of YOUR (the German) passport for verification, too...
If in doubt about exactly what papers are needed for spouse, ask Standesamt - but DEFINITELY birth certificate, copy of ID or passport and Egyptian certificate saying man is unmarried (or divorced), too..
So do allow 6-8 weeks alone for the Standesamt, plus however long it takes to get all his papers together and translated, then one day at German Embassy, THEN you head to Shar El Khary in Alex or Cairo...
(And now everyone do some nice kowtowing to meeee, hahaha, and repeat after Soozi - Bubble knows everything, Bubble is all-knowing, Bubble is just the wisest and nicest....).
Hope that sorts out all confusion, love to all, Bubble (all-knowing, great, wise and good)
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No im not 16, my daughter is. Everyone here might know her as my heartwillgoon
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Well thanks bubble you seem to know a lot. I better get cracking but my fiancees paper are all in order we already went through this process. When he presented them to my safara they mentioned to him the papers are ok but i need my document saying that i have never been married as soozi and all the other kind people mentioned here. I can see I have a big headache in front of me and a long way to go. You people are all very nice on here and just to say THANK TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN REPLYING WITH REGARDS TO MY ENQUIRY. Keep up all the good work. love Solvig
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