The case for the Biblical Exodus: The Historical Moses Zion Lexx Tv
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Posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
Most of the videos in his 5 or 6 part topic "series" are almost or over 2 hours long. You found these videos, but you sat through all of those? What's the quick summary of his claim?
Posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
One of his basic spiels is to argue for the tradition of "Osarseph" who is mentioned by Ptolemaic Egyptian historian Manetho, and is identified with Moses in a number of traditions.
The story depicts Osarseph as a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers and other unclean people against a pharaoh named Amenophis. The pharaoh is driven out of the country and the leper-army, in alliance with the Hyksos (whose story is also told by Manetho) ravage Egypt, committing many sacrileges against the gods, before Amenophis returns and expels them. Towards the end of the story Osarseph changes his name to Moses.[1] Wiki Safrai, Shmuel (1974). The Jewish People in the First Century: Historical Geography, Political History, Social, Cultural and Religious Life and Institutions. Uitgeverij Van Gorcum. p. 1113.
Zion Lexx adds other things for his own purposes, but this is the general outline. Per historian Manetho then, Moses was none other than a renegade priest, allied with later Hyskos, leading lepers and outcasts in sedition. But before this Moses character was a earlier expulsion of Hyskos invaders centuries before. With this Moses or Osarseph group, the Egyptians cut a deal with the leader, that he would leave Egypt with his crewe, never to return. Upon which Osarseph or Moses departs for the desert, and points beyond. Manetho's argument that a bunch of outcasts and misfits made up a remnant has been adopted by Zion Lexx., and he quotes Exodus that as to "a mixed multitude" that departed Kemet.
Strangely enough, in the movie "The Ten COmmandments" a group of happy, drumming Nubians is seen exiting Egypt at about the same time as the Hebrews, presumably also "voting with their feet."
Naturally, all of the above has been the subject of debate by various scholars.
Thus per Manetho there was not one gigantic one-shot Hyksos expulsion. An earlier, much bigger expulsion had already taken place. A second expulsion of unwanted people is connected with Osarseph aka Moses, who may have allied with a later Hyskos group.
Also interestingly, in one of Manetho's version, the Egyptian pharaoh is able to expel the renegades only with the assistance of armies from Ethiopia. The Ethiopians not only sheltered the Egyptian ruler in the early stages and helped him rebuild and resupply the weak Egyptian forces, but served as a "backstop" on the border, sealing off enemy movement or flank threats. With this "backstop" the Egyptian pharaoh advances into Egypt where he defeats the enemies under the renegade Moses.
And to be sure there are numerous arguments and counter-arguments. See for example: Manetho on the Exodus: A Reappraisal Lucia Raspe, Jewish Studies Quarterly Vol. 5, No. 2 (1998).
Others can do their own research.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Most of the videos in his 5 or 6 part topic "series" are almost or over 2 hours long. You found these videos, but you sat through all of those? What's the quick summary of his claim?