Was he real or myth? Was he black or white jew? Is Easter Pagan? Is it allegory? Is the story/myth a plant to quell the rebellious Jews from From the Flavians
Tukuler Member # 19944
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myth
neither
what is pagan
is what an allegory
maybe -- I think R' Gamaliel hired Saul to separate yet another schism (James' and other Jews' Jesus teaching from the not yet congealed Jewish idea, and maybe commissioned the Gospels and Revelations whose core ideology was antithetical to Judaean and diaspora norms of belief and conduct and more akin to Greek Hellenistic beliefs and Roman sociology.
Key to unravelling that position are the books of Acts, the Letters, and other Holy Greek Scriptures that are Pauline in nature. In them persons who hung out with a Jesus are brushed aside, kicked to the curb, and caught up in the street sweepers big brushes. Next stop, the dump.
Pauline Xianity is palatable to Yapheth. It strips pantheism down to a trinity. A triune deity and no others would be a step maybe considered by Gamaliel to spread a default one deity concept to Mediterranean and northward groups of humanity. Yes some Semitic speakers accepted the Holy Greek Scriptures and Christianity. They being eastern Orthodox (Syrian, Egyptian, Abyssinian, defunct Sudanese). Otherwise it's Indo-European. Catholicism (Roman, German, Irish) and its protest Reformation offshoots: German, Anglican, Irish).
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:
Was he real or myth?
Was he black or white jew?
Is Easter Pagan?
Is it allegory?
Is the story/myth a plant to quell the rebellious Jews from From the Flavians
Yatunde Lisa Member # 22253
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quote:maybe -- I think R' Gamaliel hired Saul to separate yet another schism (James' and other Jews' Jesus teaching from the not yet congealed Jewish idea, and maybe commissioned the Gospels and Revelations whose core ideology was antithetical to Judaean and diaspora norms of belief and conduct and more akin to Greek Hellenistic beliefs and Roman sociology.
So a "planted" myth? ex post facto? I would agree..
How common do you think the "planting" of myths to be as a political weapon?
How about the possibility of a secret stream of astrotheological "wisemen" who understand the need for a new avatar in a "new age" in that Jesus as personifies the age of Pisces
Tukuler Member # 19944
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Uh-huh the Christ has been attached to solar mythos. Personally doubt any secretive order had a hand in it. But I wasn't there, so could dang well be.
Care to put more flesh on them bones?
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Hey! check out The Last Temptation of Christ the whole flick not these excerpts.
Hmmmn. Avatars of Ages of positive and negative. A theme of HBO's Carnivale with a pre-Aquarius avatar of positive (which is not necessarily good).
Yatunde Lisa Member # 22253
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quote:R' Gamaliel
Never heard of him but was reading about the Kitos War yesterday and yes... it all makes sense now..
A need to quiet the rebellious Jews in Diaspora with a pacifistic messiah figure..
Tukuler Member # 19944
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I write of R'Gamaliel coming from Greek Scripture account. He protecting some early Xians from the mob saying leave 'm alone, let heaven decide.
C'mon ESers, help me out with chapter & verse here.
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