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10 Most Enslaved African Tribes


Mbundu (Angola)

Youruba

Igbo

Bakongo

The Fon of Benin and Southern Nigeria

Mende

Fulani

Abron people

Chamba tribe

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which do you believe:

A) Africans currently living in Africa who never left are Hamites
There were Israelites living among these African tribes before the slave trade but after it all of them were taken to the Americas and Caribbean fulfilling prophesy.
This is how we know who is who

or


B) There may be some Israelites living in Africa today but there is no way of telling for sure which ones they are

or

C) Members of these tribes are all Israelites everywhere they are, whether they have always been living in Africa and are there now or are anywhere in the diaspora
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Better yet, how many of those West African groups share any of Y lineages found in ancient Israelites??



Even the E lineages that were present (M78 or M34) were of a totally different clade than the one West Africans have.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
This is a bible based thread. We have already done the genetics to death
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Wow ever since I spanked you guys "genetically", you really seem to be obsessed with me. This is like the third or fourth thread you've made specifically for me following the spanking that you received. I am flattered but this is not even worth my time anymore at this point.

First of all there's only one article/study claiming to actually have extracted "Israelite" DNA and even that article says they can't say the DNA found (haplogroup J) represented the entire population of Israel.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2023-10-09/ty-article/in-first-archaeologists-extract-dna-of-ancient-israelites/0000018b-138a-d2fc-a59f-d39b21fd0000

The title of the article is literally "In First, Archaeologists Extract DNA of Ancient Israelites"

So either the writers of that Israeli article are lying about that being the first "Israelite" DNA extracted, or you guys are lying about there being other "Israelite" DNA that was extracted.

Second of all, when we actually open up the Bible and read its prophecies, God's word lays all fallacious "genetic" arguments to rest.

Here are just a few:

*1) In Luke 21:24, the Messiah himself said that the Israelites would fall by the sword and be led away as captives into all nations.

There are no historical records in the world that show any haplogroup J populations being led away as captives into all nations at any point in time.

LUKE 21:24

"24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

^*^*^*^*^*^ Notice how in the second part of the prophecy, Christ says that Israel will be overrun by gentiles until the time of the end comes.

*2) In Jeremiah 30:10-11, God himself says the Israelites will still be in the land of their captivities when the end of the world comes.

A majority of the modern Jewish people live in Israel and the other majority of Jewish people live in the USA -- they were not ever captives in either of those lands.

JEREMIAH 30:10-11

"10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished."

*3) In Ezekiel 20:34-38, God himself says that before he places the Israelites back into Israel, he will once again bring them into the wilderness like he did after they escaped from Egypt with Moses and he will plead with them face to face. He says he will also bring them into the bond of the new covenant.

The modern Jewish people did not fulfill any part of that prophecy upon entering into Israel.

EZEKIEL 20:34-38

"34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD."
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

Wow ever since I spanked you guys "genetically", you really seem to be obsessed with me. This is like the third or fourth thread you've made specifically for me following the spanking that you received. I am flattered but this is not even worth my time anymore at this point.

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ROTFLMAO


Who was spanked again??! Bruh, your ass was spanked so hard in multiple threads it's numb and much like your brain. Since we've presented multiple papers in multiple threads debunking your ass.

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First of all there's only one article/study claiming to actually have extracted "Israelite" DNA and even that article says they can't say the DNA found (haplogroup J) represented the entire population of Israel.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2023-10-09/ty-article/in-first-archaeologists-extract-dna-of-ancient-israelites/0000018b-138a-d2fc-a59f-d39b21fd0000

The title of the article is literally "In First, Archaeologists Extract DNA of Ancient Israelites"

So either the writers of that Israeli article are lying about that being the first "Israelite" DNA extracted, or you guys are lying about there being other "Israelite" DNA that was extracted.

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That's just ONE article, dummy! Lioness and I have cited other papers showing DNA extraction of other sites in the region showing similar results from the Bronze Age to Iron Age. Shall I cite them again? I know it won't do any good because your psychotic delusion doesn't allow you to accept evidence.

I even cited several studies showing how the Cohen modal haplotype matches these ancient findings which your only excuse is that "we don't know if they were Levites". LOL

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Second of all, when we actually open up the Bible and read its prophecies, God's word lays all fallacious "genetic" arguments to rest.

Here are just a few:

*1) In Luke 21:24, the Messiah himself said that the Israelites would fall by the sword and be led away as captives into all nations.

There are no historical records in the world that show any haplogroup J populations being led away as captives into all nations at any point in time.

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LUKE 21:24

"24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

^*^*^*^*^*^ Notice how in the second part of the prophecy, Christ says that Israel will be overrun by gentiles until the time of the end comes.

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*2) In Jeremiah 30:10-11, God himself says the Israelites will still be in the land of their captivities when the end of the world comes.

A majority of the modern Jewish people live in Israel and the other majority of Jewish people live in the USA -- they were not ever captives in either of those lands.

JEREMIAH 30:10-11

"10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished."

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*3) In Ezekiel 20:34-38, God himself says that before he places the Israelites back into Israel, he will once again bring them into the wilderness like he did after they escaped from Egypt with Moses and he will plead with them face to face. He says he will also bring them into the bond of the new covenant.

The modern Jewish people did not fulfill any part of that prophecy upon entering into Israel.

EZEKIEL 20:34-38

"34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD."

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Deuteronomy 28:68
And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee,
Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Most Hebrew Israelites believe Africans in Africa today are Hamites

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Most Hebrew Israelites believe Africans in Africa today are Hamites

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"Lioness", the only way I will address anything you are saying is if you can provide evidence to prove this claim you have just made. I don't have time to correct your lies and misrepresentations.

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I'll change that statement in an edit if you can explain to be how it's me it's false as per most 1 West camps

Or I could just edit it to say most 1 West groups
if that is the case, I don't want to misrepresent

but I'm having trouble understanding how someone could believe that Deut 29:68 is fulfilled prophesy referring to the slave trade
and not believe all or most Africans who never left Africa are Hamites

It says " the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships"
Not some will be brought
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
You're a troll, all you do is lie and misrepresent. That's why you are unable to provide evidence of "most" or any camps at all teaching that Africans in Africa are Hamites. You don't understand any of this, you're just talking out of your ass like you always do.

You also don't even understand the position taken concerning the Bible scripture you quoted.

I don't have time to correct your lies and teach you these things, nor am I interested in doing so.

The largest and most notable 1west camp has schools in Africa. They and their leader regularly go to different African countries to preach the gospel.


 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
In Luke 21:24 Christ said the Israelites would be taken as captives/slaves into all nations... not just one. There was nothing uncommon about slavery in Rome during that time period, Rome had slaves of all races/nationalities. The key words here are all nations... the ancestors of ashkenazi people were never taken as captives or slaves into a multiplicity of nations, let alone all nations so these Israelite prophecies in the Bible clearly cannot be talking about them.

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Again, just to show you that such speech like most prophetic speech in the Bible is hyperbolic and not literal, whenever the term 'all nations' is used not just by Christ but even in Genesis and other books of the Torah, it doesn't mean literally all nations of the world but rather all the nations known to Israel that the Israelites were aware of. To be precise the Old Testament would use the phrase 'shakhane goyim' meaning set up nations or placed nations, as in nations around Israel. This prophecy was fulfilled when the ancestors of not just the Ashkenazi but also the Sephardi were captured, enslaved, and transported all around the Mediterranean region. Even the Mizrahi Jews who were fortunate enough to escape such a fate by fleeing into Arabia eventually ended up becoming enslaved later on the Islamic Caliphate. So Christ's prophecy was fulfilled and had nothing to do with African Americans. LOL

Again, you are ignorant of history as much as you are of the bible and genetics. But keep struggling zombie.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
I'm glad you said that djehuti. According to that retarded logic, "all nations" in Genesis does not mean all nations.

So when God told Abraham that "all nations" would be blessed through him, it didn't literally mean all nations. It only meant the nations that existed at the time. So according to that logic, no nations that came into existence after that period in Genesis will receive any of the blessing because God was only talking about the nations that currently existed -- even though Abraham was the father of nations that came long after his death.

GENESIS 22:18

"18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

ROFL!!!!!! What a complete and idiotic, big-headed, pompous clown.

*** Djehuti logic: "hmm... since I can't show modern Jewish people were ever sent into all nations as slaves.... I'll just say all nations doesn't mean all nations!!!"

/fail
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ It depends on the context, you lying clown! Yes in the case of Abraham all nations in general would be blessed. But when it came to the persecution and enslavement of Jews "all" nations meant all the nations around them! Should I remind of you of the passage in Genesis where it says "All flesh under Heaven will perish". So why did Noah and his family survive? Were they not under Heaven??! Not to mention ALL the species of animals including fish that were not on board Noah's ark. LOL

You see what a dumb low IQ person you are. That without proper sense let alone context one can interpret (pervert) the bible any way how.

I notice you still ignore the fact that Jeremiah's prophecy was fulfilled after the defeat of the Bar Kokhba Revolt.

The Bar Kokhba revolt marked a time of high hopes followed by violent despair. The Jews were handed expectations of a homeland and a Holy Temple, but in the end were persecuted and sold into slavery. During the revolt itself, the Jews gained enormous amounts of land, only to be pushed back and crushed in the final battle of Bethar.

When Hadrian first became the Roman emperor in 118 C.E., he was sympathetic to the Jews. He allowed them to return to Jerusalem and granted permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple. The Jews’ expectations rose as they made organizational and financial preparations to rebuild the temple. Hadrian quickly went back on his word, however, and requested that the site of the Temple be moved from its original location. He also began deporting Jews to North Africa.

The Jews prepared to rebel until Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah calmed them. The Jews then satisfied themselves with preparing secretly in case a rebellion would later become necessary. They built hideouts in caves and did shoddy work building weapons so that the Romans would reject the weapons and return them to the Jews.

The Jews organized guerilla forces and, in 123 C.E., began launching surprise attacks against the Romans. From that point on, life only got worse for the Jews. Hadrian brought an extra army legion, the “Sixth Ferrata,” into Judea to deal with the terrorism. Hadrian hated “foreign” religions and forbade the Jews to perform circumcisions. He appointed Tinneius Rufus governor of Judea. Rufus was a harsh ruler who took advantage of Jewish women. In approximately 132 C.E., Hadrian began to establish a city in Jerusalem called Aelia Capitolina, the name being a combination of his own name and that of the Roman god Jupiter Capitolinus. He started to build a temple to Jupiter in place of the Jewish Holy Temple.

As long as Hadrian remained near Judea, the Jews stayed relatively quiet. When he left in 132, the Jews began their rebellion on a large scale. They seized towns and fortified them with walls and subterranean passages. Under the strong leadership of Shimon Bar-Kokhba, the Jews captured approximately 50 strongholds in Judea and 985 undefended towns and villages, including Jerusalem. Jews from other countries, and even some gentiles, volunteered to join their crusade. The Jews minted coins with slogans such as “The freedom of Israel” written in Hebrew. Hadrian dispatched General Publus Marcellus, governor of Syria, to help Rufus, but the Jews defeated both Roman leaders. The Jews then invaded the coastal region and the Romans began sea battles against them.

The turning point of the war came when Hadrian sent into Judea one of his best generals from Britain, Julius Severus, along with former governor of Germania, Hadrianus Quintus Lollius Urbicus. By that time, there were 12 army legions from Egypt, Britain, Syria and other areas in Judea. Due to the large number of Jewish rebels, instead of waging open war, Severus besieged Jewish fortresses and held back food until the Jews grew weak. Only then did his attack escalate into outright war. The Romans demolished all 50 Jewish fortresses and 985 villages. The main conflicts took place in Judea, the Shephela, the mountains and the Judean desert, though fighting also spread to Northern Israel. The Romans suffered heavy casualties as well and Hadrian did not send his usual message to the Senate that “I and my army are well.”

The final battle of the war took place in Bethar, Bar-Kokhba’s headquarters, which housed both the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) and the home of the Nasi (leader). Bethar was a vital military stronghold because of its strategic location on a mountain ridge overlooking both the Valley of Sorek and the important Jerusalem-Bet Guvrin Road. Thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Bethar during the war. In 135 C.E., Hadrian’s army besieged Bethar and on the 9th of Av, the Jewish fast day commemorating the destruction of the first and second Holy Temples, the walls of Bethar fell. After a fierce battle, every Jew in Bethar was killed. Six days passed before the Romans allowed the Jews to bury their dead.

Following the battle of Bethar, there were a few small skirmishes in the Judean Desert Caves, but the war was essentially over and Judean independence was lost. The Romans plowed Jerusalem with a yoke of oxen. Jews were sold into slavery and many were transported to Egypt. Judean settlements were not rebuilt. Jerusalem was turned into a pagan city called Aelia Capitolina and the Jews were forbidden to live there. They were permitted to enter only on the 9th of Av to mourn their losses in the revolt. Hadrian changed the country’s name from Judea to Syria Palestina.

In the years following the revolt, Hadrian discriminated against all Judeo-Christian sects, but the worst persecution was directed against religious Jews. He made anti-religious decrees forbidding Torah study, Sabbath observance, circumcision, Jewish courts, meeting in synagogues and other ritual practices. Many Jews assimilated and many sages and prominent men were martyred including Rabbi Akiva and the rest of the Asara Harugei Malchut (ten martyrs). This age of persecution lasted throughout the remainder of Hadrian’s reign, until 138 C.E.

Your ass got destroyed over genetics, over the bible which you know the passages but not the meaning, and now because you don't even know basic history after the New Testament you are destroyed again.

But keep going you braindead zombie. You are only good for entertainment like all the troll here.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Israel United in Christ(IUIC)

VIDEO 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohwZHDNeVfE&t=964s

Hamites Sold Israelites To The White Man


8:15:

In America we've been taught that, we from
Africa we Africans but it's a difference between
Negroes and actual Africans..
Africans are descendants from a man
named Ham. When you read Genesis Noah had
three sons Shem, Ham and and Japheth.
Ham is the father of all the real Africans in Africa
and we going to read that for you
out the Bible dictionary let me read
this...
Definition of ham this is out of
the Zondervan's Compact Bible Dictionary.. Page 213,
the definition of Ham, the youngest son of
Noah born probably about 96 years before
the flood.. before
the flood before Noah's ark... and one
of eight persons to live through the
flood, he became the progenitor
he became the forefather the progenitor
of the dark race not the
Negro but not the Negroes in America
though mean he's the father of those
dark skinned races in Africa but not the
Negro race. So it's a difference
between us and them, just like you got
dark skinned Arabs, you got dark skinned
East Indians, the ones with the dots on
their forehead but we know we not the
same race, same thing with Africa

So Africans didn't
sell Africans in slavery like they teach
us in school. Africans sold the children
of Israel, Hebrews and the Negro children
the children of Israel

now let's show you how we know we the
children of Israel real quick:
Deuteronomy 28
There's 12 tribes of Israel but how do
we know who the Israelites are today?
(it's ) based on the history that happened to us,
the prophesy Deuteronomy 28.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s73dN_DQgM&t=311s

#IUIC | Hamite Man Learns He's Not Of Israel!

VIDEO 2

11:12
there's a difference between
Africans and Israelites...
that's what we're showing you
This bible is only for the Israelites.

Give me Matthew chapter 15 verse 24. It's
not about skin color. You see this brother
he's a lighter complexion, you see this
brother he's a darker complexion an
we ain't saying that he's a part of
us, he's not. He's from a
different nation of people but this
brother is from our nation because his
his spirit bears witness with the
spirit that happened to his people.
His people was taken on a boat ride to
Colombia, that's where he's from, they got a mix
of people, so now it ain't about color
it's about nationality ..

Deuteronomy Chapter 28, verse 64
And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people...

he said the lord was
going to scatter us amongst all people,
all people the Israelites the 12 tribes
of Israel, the blacks, Hispanics and
native Americans would be scattered
among all people
they weren't scattered among all people
the so-called Sudanese the so-called uh
Watusi's the so-called
Nilotes. They weren't scattered among all
people but we were

So when you hear about them
saying oh well African sold Africans no,
Africans sold Israelites because they
knew we weren't part of those people go
to Luke chapter 21 and 20.
let me show you how we got there because
this is important for you to know
because we got plenty of so-called
African stores..
you got a whole community of so-called
Africans there but they're not our
people

you would think that there are
people but they're not our people

We're trying to get you to come back to your
true nationality the white man said
you're African and that's a blanket
statement like you're African 'here go be
an African'
Well what does that mean what
culture do we come from there's 78
countries in Africa which one do am
I a part of?
See they give you that as a
blanket statement so they keep you from
knowing who you really are which is the
Israelites which God said is the
greatest people on the earth

we fled from
Jerusalem we, went down to Egypt we kept
coming down and we started getting
forced to the west coast of Africa
because when you come down when you
come straight down there's Egypt there's
Kenya uh there's Sudan et
cetera et cetera
so we start warring
with those tribes that's why you hear
about Hannibal all these
different we were warring against
the Africans so when you get
beat in a war what do you do
you have to succumb to their ways,
you have to do what they tell you to do

So a lot of us got mixed in and got
pushed to the west coast of Africa
places like Ghana, places like what they
call the ivory coast and from there
that's where we got sold into slavery so
everything is documented in the bible
When we come out here and say that you are Israelite, we know
that we the Israelites because the spirit, the bible, has taught us exactly
where we come from

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ It depends on the context, you lying clown! Yes in the case of Abraham all nations in general would be blessed. But when it came to the persecution and enslavement of Jews "all" nations meant all the nations around them! Should I remind of you of the passage in Genesis where it says "All flesh under Heaven will perish". So why did Noah and his family survive? Were they not under Heaven??! Not to mention ALL the species of animals including fish that were not on board Noah's ark. LOL

You see what a dumb low IQ person you are. That without proper sense let alone context one can interpret (pervert) the bible any way how.

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Oh, so "all nations" can literally mean all nations when you decide you want it to. How convenient. But when you can't reconcile modern Jewish populations with the Israelite prophecies then it doesn't actually mean all nations.

You JUST SAID that whenever "all nations" is used in the Bible that it doesn't literally mean all nations. Now after getting beat over the head by someone who actually knows the Bible, you do a complete 180 and flip flop as usual.



What a damned liar. And what a Biblically illiterate clown. There are multiple prophecies in the Bible that make it undeniably clear that the Israelites would be sent to all nations around the earth, worldwide. Not just the nations they were "aware of". But of course, you don't actually know anything about the Bible.

DEUTERONOMY 28:64

"64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone."

* And regarding the flood story in Genesis, the Bible makes it clear that all flesh under heaven did perish EXCEPT for Noah and his family, so of course the "all flesh under heaven" did not apply to Noah and those on the ark with him. But of course, your reading/comprehension skills are non-existent.

GENESIS 7:23

"23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."

Furthermore the scriptures say nothing about creatures in the seas/oceans dying so the fact that you keep trying to use sea creatures as a logical fallacy is pathetic.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
You see what a dumb low IQ person you are. That without proper sense let alone context one can interpret (pervert) the bible any way how.

I notice you still ignore the fact that Jeremiah's prophecy was fulfilled after the defeat of the Bar Kokhba Revolt.

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What a complete and utter dumb *ss.

Let's look at the prophecy in Jeremiah one more time, read it slooooowly ok djehuti?

JEREMIAH 30:10-11

"10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished."

Verse 11 in this prophecy says that God would make a full end of all the nations where the Israelites were scattered to once he saves them. Did God make a full end of all these nations you damned idiot? Even if you try to say "they were only scattered to Rome or Europe", Rome STILL EXISTS today. These European nations STILL EXIST today. Verse 10 also says that once this prophecy is fulfilled, NONE will make the Israelites afraid. But isn't there constant war over there? Have you not been watching the news you complete and utter idiot? October 7th? The huge massacre of Israelis by Hamas?

The same prophecy ALSO says that God would correct their evil ways. Are the people in Israel following God's ways and commandments djehuti?

Aren't they home to the biggest yearly pride festival? Aren't the majority of them secular with no belief in a God?

These prophecies are not talking about them.

**** My God, I can't believe I've wasted so much time going back and forth with such a damned idiot. You're nothing but a long-winded clown who thinks he is smarter than he actually is.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ LOL Talk about long-winded responses. You even go through the trouble of taking screen-shots of my posts! LOL My points are clear and simple. What a Biblical passage means depends on the context. It is basic exegesis. Yet you lack the mental aptitude to understand this. You don't know the difference between hyperbole and literal, like when you repeated the quote in Genesis "all flesh under Heaven". You don't know that when the bible says "all nations" there is a distinction between all nations around Israel-- the shakhan goyim vs. all nations of the world-- goyim ha olam. This is basic Hebrew exegetical understanding but you who claims to be a "Hebrew" does not even know the original Hebrew words let alone context. GTFOH

As for the last part of your post, you seem to be implying that I'm somehow a Zionist who support the modern state of Israel. Where did you get that idea??! Again, all you do is make assinine assumptions that have nothing to do with the actual topic. The issue is ancient Israelite ancestry, but you bring up the modern state of Israel. I know full well that modern Israel was founded by occult communist Ashkenazi from Germany and Poland who committed acts of terror not only against the Palestinian Muslims and Christians but even the Jews living there! Even the ultra-orthodox Jews who know their Talmud know the state is illegitimate while the orthodox Jews who follow Lurianic kabbalah believe they can influence God himself, while those at the very top who descendants of the communists founders believe they are gods on earth. They're the ones who promote LGBTQ and are also guilty of sterilizations and poisonings of Ethiopian, Teymani, and other dark-skinned Jews let alone Palestinians. So no I don't support them.

The bible is clear, God gave gave the land of Canaan to the Israelites as part of His covenant. As long as the Israelites serve him and are faithful to His cause they may keep the land and prosper. But if they violate the covenant, they lose the land and are subject to foreign rule. This was what happened to them in their revolt against Rome in which the Judean priesthood and clerical elite were very corrupt. They killed their Messiah Jesus (using Roman hands) so the prophecy of Jeremiah came true. While the Ashkenazi may descend from Israelites are spiritually no longer of Israel but belong to a satanic religion then move in and found the modern state and pressure Jews to move in whom they later exploit and abuse. But everything is in God's purpose even the evil state. Even the Islamic Caliphate with all its evils was also part of God's purpose. We Christians call this God's passive will.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
The new testament was not written in Hebrew you idiot. This clown never said anything about "context" when he made his original claim but is now crying about "context" after getting straight debunked.

I've stopped reading djehuti's responses. What is the point in entertaining a blatant liar like this who makes a claim as though it's matter of fact, only to completely flip flop and 100% change his position once he gets debunked and proven wrong?

He does the same exact thing with his "genetic arguments". This is another prime example, just like how he admit that there is no ancient Levite DNA available to link modern Jewish people to ancient Levites yet he keeps appealing to the "cohen gene".

Djehuti, thank you for this MARVELOUS screenshot of you 1000% contradicting yourself after getting slapped over the head with the Bible.



Now you look like an even bigger fool contradicting yourself, all because you don't want black people to be Israelites.

Djehuti: "All nations doesn't literally mean all nations when it dispoves my argument... but other than that it does literally mean all nations"

Nothing but a long-winded babbling fool who has no idea what he is talking about.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


Why would the Israelites look just like West Africans?
Were the men mixing with the Hamite women on some polygamy stuff?
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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you don't want black people to be Israelites.

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The new testament was not written in Hebrew you idiot. This clown never said anything about "context" when he made his original claim but is now crying about "context" after getting straight debunked.

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I've stopped reading djehuti's responses. What is the point in entertaining a blatant liar like this who makes a claim as though it's matter of fact, only to completely flip flop and 100% change his position once he gets debunked and proven wrong?

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He does the same exact thing with his "genetic arguments". This is another prime example, just like how he admit that there is no ancient Levite DNA available to link modern Jewish people to ancient Levites yet he keeps appealing to the "cohen gene".

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Djehuti, thank you for this MARVELOUS screenshot of you 1000% contradicting yourself after getting slapped over the head with the Bible.



Now you look like an even bigger fool contradicting yourself, all because you don't want black people to be Israelites.

Djehuti: "All nations doesn't literally mean all nations when it dispoves my argument... but other than that it does literally mean all nations"

Nothing but a long-winded babbling fool who has no idea what he is talking about.

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Again because you are too stupid to comprehend what I wrote. There is context to certain passages. Some passages are literal while others are hyperbole. When the bible says "all nations" there is a distinction between all nations around Israel-- the shakhan goyim vs. all nations of the world-- goyim ha olam. This is basic Hebrew exegetical understanding. If Jews were to be enslaved by all nations of the world then that means they would have beeen enslaved by India, China, Japan, and Thailand. Did that happen? Similarly in Genesis when it said of the flood "all flesh under Heaven perished" did that literally mean Noah and his family as well as all the fish in the flood waters??

Again, my responses to you are not for your sake because there is just hope for your dumb ass. My entire mockery of you is educational for all witnesses in this forum including lurkers.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Djehuti, your clown ass is talking about the "Hebrew context" surround the term "all nations" yet the scripture in question (Luke 21:24) where Christ says Israel would be taken as captives into all nations was NOT written in Hebrew.

Your literal words were that "whenever the Christ and books in the Torah use the term all nations it doesn't literally mean all nations and is only talking about the nations known to Israel."

You said WHENEVER: as in, anytime we see "all nations" it's not literally talking about all nations.

You said nothing about "unless the context says XYZ...." you boldly and laughably claimed word for word that "whenever the Bible says all nations it's not literal".

Then when I slap you over the head with a scripture from Genesis, you completely switch up and say "oh well it depends on the context"



Get the F out of here you clown, I'm glad other posters like Doug are starting to call out your bullsh*t. He's right you're nothing but a grandstanding loser with a big head.

Keep breaking down my comments and responding to each line all you want. And keep holding hands with "lioness", the racist white man who everyone knows has been trolling and pretending to be a black woman on this site for over a decade.

You been caught red-handed. .
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Hey, liar! I was referring to the prophecy of Jeremiah which was in Hebrew NOT that of Jesus who simply repeated him! LMAO

Jeremiah prophesied the consequences of Israel's wickedness and Jesus merely gave the same prophecy and YES I know the Gospels and other New Testament texts are in Greek. In fact I know some of the original Greek words, do you??

So the only one who needs to GTFOH is YOU. You need professional help guy. I know mental illness is rampant in the black community but I don't think the BHI cult is the answer.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
"All nations doesn't mean all nations when we see that in the Bible... oh wait never mind, yes it does! But I'm still right even though I was wrong and you're a big bad cult member."

- djehuti

And now he wants to show me what he "knows about greek" and talk shit about the black community. Your true racist colors always show when you get embarrassed.

Rofl, grow up.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Now that I corrected your dumb ass you go back to the "all nations" argument which was already rectified. LOL

And now you call me "racist" for bringing up a fact. So if I were to state the fact that most violent crimes committed in America are also by blacks is that racist too??! LOL

Again miss me with your zoomer labels of "racist". I'm not one of those white liberals who wash the feet of BHI members because of some white guilt. Again I am an Asian man who grew in a predominantly black neighborhood in my youth a community where black people were intelligent, educated, and well functioned. I've seen social media and the mentally dysfunctional people (black and white) whom it displays or is used by so I know mental illness when I argue with it.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
How did you correct me you delusional clown?

You completely switched your position on what "all nations" means after I hit you over the head with that scripture about Abraham in Genesis.

It's literally right here in the screenshot, you boldy claimed one thing and then completely contradicted yourself right after I showed you that you were wrong.



You are a delusional narcissist who clearly hates black people and is probably just as obsessed with us as "the lioness" is. There was no need for you to mention the entire black community as a whole, but at this point it's 100% clear why you did.
 

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