After Hamas attacks on Israel, Israeli forces are retaliating. At the same time Hizbollah exchanges fire with Israeli troops in the north, and in Egypt there have also been some violence. Is the region on its way into a major conflict?
The "mainstream" media and various major media talking heads and outlets, some of which are sometimes very pro-Israel are falling all over themselves with breathless pronouncements bout "Israel's 911" and how shocked and surprised yada yada yada.. And various "bases" are just lapping it up. LOOK HOSS, THE START OF ARMAGEDDON! cue hysterical tones..
Equally laughable is the political posturing and fake Twitter "beefs" with pols on both sides falling over themselves to "condemn" this and that other talking head or "tweet"..
What they are failing to report or downplaying is that Israel and Hamas have been locked in low-level warfare for years, with Hamas regularly getting their clocks cleaned by Israel's heavyweight technological superiority: from missile strikes demolishing buildings, to "bunker-busting" bombs on tunnels, to helicopter and plane bomb & missile strikes, to deep Drone and cyberwarfare attacks and surveillance in the Gaza Strip, to "the usual" IDF ground force raids. This stuff has been ongoing for years. Why is it a "surprise" that Hamas would in time ratchet up its own operations?
As for the breathless comparisons to "911", seriously? cue scurrying lemmings..
The body count of civilians and guerrillas in the Hamas zone far exceeds anything Hamas can do to Israel and its territory. Which raises the question as to why Hamas persists in playing this "mano-a-mano" card it is bound to lose, not to mention the losses yet again to their civilian population and trashing of their infrastructure.
Only a few sites seem to carry any sort of in-depth analysis.. What's the payoff for Hamas? Martyrdom? Hostage taking to swap out later for Hamas prisoners held by Israel? Discrediting the rival PA as wimps versus virile Hamas guys "standing up to" the Israeli Goliath? Testing out new tactics and munition/weapon stocks via Iranian aid? All of the above? And what's the payoff for Hamas adults and children killed as their infrastructure and buildings are yet again demolished?
Posted by BrandonP (Member # 3735) on :
I feel that there will be no good guys in the upcoming conflict. Hamas's latest atrocities are horrific, but Israel has never treated the Palestinians in general well, and Netanyahu's government in particular doesn't give me the vibe that they will handle this problem with mercy or delicacy. Most likely, a lot more innocent people on both sides will die, but the Palestinians will receive the brunt of the bloodshed as they tend to do in these conflicts. It's going to be another horrible continuation of the cycle of violence in that area.
Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
A Panafricanists view on the Israel - Palestine conflict
quote: 9:47 It is a crisis in Haiti and you N****** want me to go run to the Middle East we got a crisis in Haiti we got a crisis in Ethiopia we got a crisis in the Congo we got our brothers in the Sahel about to go to war with the French we got Mali and Burkina Faso about to go to war with the French and you want to distract me by running to the Arabs of the Middle East I'm not doing that I'm not, I wish them well I hope nobody get hurt I pray that the women and children are protected but you out of your damn mind if I'm going to take attention off Haiti for the Middle East you out your damn mind if I'm a take attention off of Black America for the Middle East you out your mind if I'm going take attention off Ethiopia for the Middle East you out your mind if I'm going take attention off of the Congo or Sudan or the other humanitarian crisis in Africa for the Middle East hell no I'm a black man I'm an African we've been put last for the last 400 years and it's time to put ourselves first, that's why Marcus Garvey said race first that's why the most honorable Marcus Garvey said race first not Muslim first not Christian first African people first African people first brothers and sisters I'm standing for African people first and I'm a go through my feed and if I see any coonish comments you getting blocked any negropeans any had get off my chat my Arabs I wish y'all well in Palestine I wish you a speedy Victory against oppression but that is not my fight cuz you have never fought for me you Arabs don't do nothing but practice racism in America you Arabs don't do nothing but trade our people into slavery in East Africa you are racist everywhere we find you so don't go acting like yall a bunch of humanitarians because y'all was the first people traded my ancestors in slavery the Arabs were the first people traded my ancestors in and slavery I'm not against the Arabic people I'm saying fair is fair and truth is truth don't you dare tell me I got to cry for you when you ain't never cried for me have you apologized for the African slavery yet have the Arabs apologize for African slavery yet have the Arabs paid reparations to African people for slavery have the Arabs paid us for reparations yet have the Arabs paid us reparations for starting the slave trade the Arabs done anything about the enslavement of Africans right now get the hell out of my face I'm a black man yesterday today and tomorrow it's pan-africanism of parish is unify or die it's every African for all Africans and all Africans for every African
currently an airstrike on an Gaza hospital (or parking lot of) is inflaming the Middle East initially blamed on Israel but as of today,
afternoon of 10/18 NBC reports two U.S. officials have claimed that in an independent investigation the rocket was a misfire from the Islamic Jihad group, details yet to be released (Morgan video has "hospital it by airstrike" on bottom of screen banner)
Very late in the interview Jeremy Boreing, co- founder of the Daily Wire enters the conversation disputing Bassem Youssef's take Bassem rebuts
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Both the Israelis and Palestinians are controlled by sinister forces. The latter are more brainwashed than the former but even the 'fog of war' aside, I don't trust anything that comes out of the media since both Israeli media and Palestinians lie and use propaganda. What is the difference between the radical Zionists and the Islamists except the latter is more savage in their methods but not less lethal.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
This comes at a very convenient time for Netanyahu given the political turmoil taking place before it happened. But it also comes at a convenient time to put the war on terror back on the front burner after simmering for a long time.
But regardless of all of that, what makes this annoying is that nobody is doing anything to come up with a solution to this, whether the United Nations, Arab States, EU or United States. The situation of the Palestinians is unacceptable and with or without these acts of violence goes against all human rights standards and laws. And the main reason for this is that everybody is just using this as a pretext for other agendas and helping the Palestinian people is the lowest priority. Which itself is just another example of these Western colonial powers drawing lines on maps and creating countries that then generate ethnic conflicts, with all sides being beholden to those same colonial powers in some way or other.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Both the Israelis and Palestinians are controlled by sinister forces.
who are these forces and in what country are they headquartered that control Israel?
Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
Check this one. Israel-Hamas War: "I Refuse To Talk To Genocide Deniers!" Piers Morgan Debates Palestine With Panel Piers Morgan Uncensored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIg09t0Ui4 Posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
There won't be any mass "ground offensive" soon, nor is one needed soon. Hamas infrastructure and people are being devastated by airpower and artillery, aided by special forces to help pinpoint targets. The so-called "ground offensive" is a placeholder for mass media consumption while the real lethal work is already being done in Gaza. It may eventually come but for now, it is much less than advertised. The biggest losers of course, are civilians.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova:
There won't be any "ground offensive" soon, nor is one needed soon.
Maybe not. As your article says they can go in carefully one section at a time and there won't be endless supplies in those tunnels, so there might be a semi-siege -but do they have to bomb so much in these airstrikes?
Posted by Karem (Member # 22585) on :
Lioness asks "who are these forces and in what country are they headquartered that control Israel?"
US/Western imperialism, so London and Washington. Historically, Britain favoured Palestine as a national homeland for Jewish people, because it wanted a "loyal little Ulster" in the region.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Karem: Lioness asks "who are these forces and in what country are they headquartered that control Israel?"
US/Western imperialism, so London and Washington. Historically, Britain favoured Palestine as a national homeland for Jewish people, because it wanted a "loyal little Ulster" in the region.
"US/Western imperialism" does not specify a group of people or name particular people who supposedly control the US government but are not government officials
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ What Karem is referring to is exactly the Cabal or global oligarchy that I myself refer to. Israel according to. One of the Founding Fathers of the modern State of Israel David Ben-Gurion has himself said "Israel is not meant to be a Jewish state". By "Jewish" he means religiously. It was meant to be Secular Humanist (read Satanic) state. The original founders of Israel hated religious or even traditional Jews because they themselves were part of the Cabal. While Ben-Gruion is known as the Father of Israel, the true father of Israel behind the scenes was Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild of Great Britain. The Secularist/Illuminist Jews view their religionists kin as pawns to be exploited the same way Hamas does to regular Palestinians. How many people are aware that Netanyahu is funding Hamas in Syria??
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: A Panafricanists view on the Israel - Palestine conflict
quote: 9:47 It is a crisis in Haiti and you N****** want me to go run to the Middle East we got a crisis in Haiti we got a crisis in Ethiopia we got a crisis in the Congo we got our brothers in the Sahel about to go to war with the French we got Mali and Burkina Faso about to go to war with the French and you want to distract me by running to the Arabs of the Middle East I'm not doing that I'm not, I wish them well I hope nobody get hurt I pray that the women and children are protected but you out of your damn mind if I'm going to take attention off Haiti for the Middle East you out your damn mind if I'm a take attention off of Black America for the Middle East you out your mind if I'm going take attention off Ethiopia for the Middle East you out your mind if I'm going take attention off of the Congo or Sudan or the other humanitarian crisis in Africa for the Middle East hell no I'm a black man I'm an African we've been put last for the last 400 years and it's time to put ourselves first, that's why Marcus Garvey said race first that's why the most honorable Marcus Garvey said race first not Muslim first not Christian first African people first African people first brothers and sisters I'm standing for African people first and I'm a go through my feed and if I see any coonish comments you getting blocked any negropeans any had get off my chat my Arabs I wish y'all well in Palestine I wish you a speedy Victory against oppression but that is not my fight cuz you have never fought for me you Arabs don't do nothing but practice racism in America you Arabs don't do nothing but trade our people into slavery in East Africa you are racist everywhere we find you so don't go acting like yall a bunch of humanitarians because y'all was the first people traded my ancestors in slavery the Arabs were the first people traded my ancestors in and slavery I'm not against the Arabic people I'm saying fair is fair and truth is truth don't you dare tell me I got to cry for you when you ain't never cried for me have you apologized for the African slavery yet have the Arabs apologize for African slavery yet have the Arabs paid reparations to African people for slavery have the Arabs paid us for reparations yet have the Arabs paid us reparations for starting the slave trade the Arabs done anything about the enslavement of Africans right now get the hell out of my face I'm a black man yesterday today and tomorrow it's pan-africanism of parish is unify or die it's every African for all Africans and all Africans for every African
I'm no fan of Umar Johnson but he's right. Many Palestinians hate even their Arab neighbors who send them food and money, do American Blacks and other Western Blacks think they'll get any respect from the Palestinians??
It's funny how the Palestinians call Israelis "colonists" when many of them (as Ausar pointed out) descend from Ottoman colonial armies if not more recent Mujahideen soldiers during the first war on modern Israel.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] ^ What Karem is referring to is exactly the Cabal or global oligarchy that I myself refer to. Israel according to. One of the Founding Fathers of the modern State of Israel David Ben-Gurion has himself said "Israel is not meant to be a Jewish state". By "Jewish" he means religiously. It was meant to be Secular Humanist (read Satanic) state. The original founders of Israel hated religious or even traditional Jews because they themselves were part of the Cabal. While Ben-Gruion is known as the Father of Israel, the true father of Israel behind the scenes was Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild of Great Britain. The Secularist/Illuminist Jews view their religionists kin as pawns to be exploited the same way Hamas does to regular Palestinians. How many people are aware that Netanyahu is funding Hamas in Syria??
what are a couple of names of Jews living today of this cabal that are running the world and controlling governments?
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The term cabal is derived from Kabbalah , the Jewish mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture
Posted by Karem (Member # 22585) on :
@lioness - Western leaders, regardless of political party, have tended to be interested in the Middle East because of oil.
@Djehuti - yes, some of the early Zionist leaders, like Ben-Gurion, were secular. When you talk about "cabals" it sounds like your invoking some sort of antisemitic theme. Not sure if Bibi directly funded Hamas, but he might of favoured them over the more progressive and secular PLO to keep Palestinians divided, which ultimately acts to stop the spread of Arab nationalism and socialism, something the western establishment definitely don't want.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ If you think 'Cabal' is anti-Semitic then you too have fallen for the brainwashing. Cabal simply refers to a group conspiring in secret. I am aware that the term may have roots in the Jewish kabbalah, but those that are knowledgeable know that the overwhelming majority who comprise this global cabal or oligarchy if you will are non-Jews. They actually use Jewish faces as fronts.
I thought I made that clear to Lioness in another thread.
The reason why they are interested in the Middle East is partly because of oil but also because of the very ancient history and occult areas in that region. This is the reason why they founded the modern state of Israel.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
what are a couple of names of people living today who are not government officials but who are running the world and controlling governments?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ I thought I gave you more than names of individuals but entire families here? And no I never said they "run the world", I said they are are trying to run the world.
Here are a couple more-- Jean-Claude Juncker, Belgian E.U. official who worked as Finance Minister for E.U.'s bank Eurogroup descends from the Prussian Noble House of Juncker that also served in the Nazi S.S. And Pierre-Olivier Gourinchas, Chief Economist of the IMF a Frenchman who has ties to one of the noble families probably House Orange. Neither of them are Jewish yet they are among the biggest funders of both Israel and terrorists groups in the Middle East.
Israel itself is divided between the growing orthodox Jewish regime (run by Chabad) and the old secular-humanist regime that runs the Supreme Court whose true religion is the illuminist Kol Ra'ah et ha-Ayin (The All Seeing Eye). Both are Jews hated by Islamists who are being funded by both groups. Make that make sense.
Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
CNN anchor asks IDF spokesman where Palestinians were supposed to go after strike. Hear his response IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus talks with CNN's Erin Burnett after a blast, targeting a Hamas commander, in a neighborhood of the Jabalya refugee camp left catastrophic damage and killed dozens of people. #CNN #News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fBPAKpaKo
Israel-Hamas War: Piers Morgan vs Rahma Zein On Palestine's Suffering | The Full Interview Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by Egyptian podcaster Rahma Zein for an open debate and discussion on what she says is the historic mistreatment of Palestinians at the hands of Israel, her viral video calling out CNN international reporter, the 'mistreatment' Palestine faces in the media, whether Rahma condemns the Hamas attacks on October 7th, and how to come to a peaceful resolution in this conflict between Israel and Palestine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df9M8KbQZSA Posted by Karem (Member # 22585) on :
Talking about a cabal isn't antisemitic in and of itself, but when you start talking about "satanic" and "Illuminist Jews" it does. Ben-Gurion was secular, but he still relied on the authority of Rabbis to determine who was Jewish, and despite being atheist, used the bible to legitimize the modern nation state of Israel's existence, and to this day, archaeology, both biblical and secular, are used by the Israeli state for this purpose.
"It's funny how the Palestinians call Israelis "colonists" when many of them (as Ausar pointed out) descend from Ottoman colonial armies if not more recent Mujahideen soldiers during the first war on modern Israel."
They see it as tool of Western imperialism in the region, with a lot of the foundational Zionist leaders, as well as Jewish immigrants, coming from Europe, so its not a shock they'd see them as colonists. Despite Ausar being a con artist, he might have a point about Palestinian origins.
Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
Hamas Fighter Shoots At Israeli Soldiers Through Wall in Gaza This body cam video allegedly shows Hamas-affiliated fighters setting up to attack Israeli troops. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released the footage, claiming it was from a body-worn camera found on one of the fighters.
Female Israeli soldiers who defeated 100 Hamas terrorists tell their story A heroic all female unit of the Israeli Defence Force tell how they defeated 100 Hamas terrorists in fierce fighting after the October 7 attacks. The Daily Mail's Nick Pisa and Roland Hoskins travelled to southern Israel to speak to Lieutenant Colonel Or Ben Yehuda and the Caracal Battalion soldiers who are the only all-female frontline unit in the Israeli Defence Forces.
6-year-old Hind Rajab found dead in Gaza, days after phone call for help Feb 10, 2024
quote:A six-year-old girl who had begged Gaza rescuers to send help after being trapped by Israeli military fire has been found dead. The Palestine Red Crescent Society says Hind Rajab was killed along with several of her relatives and two paramedics who tried to save her.
Palestinian girl trapped in car calls for help after her family is killed by gunfire
quote: CNN's Jomana Karadsheh reports on the story of Hind, a 6-year-old Palestinian girl trapped in a car for days after her family came under Israeli fire while trying to flee northern Gaza. Audio from the recording of a call shared by the Palestine Red Crescent Society captures the child's fear and desperation. #CNN #News
Does anyone find it odd that when the October 7th attack happened it took 3 to 5 hours for the IDF to respond and when they did, they caused most of the casualties by opening fire on the Israeli hostages??
Does anyone find it odd that the state of Israel was somehow caught off guard for these attacks to happen when anyone who knows about Israeli security knows that there are cameras everywhere including satellite cameras and it was known that days before the attack Hamas had an armed parade in Gaza but the IDF did not do anything about that? Then of course there is Mossad and Shembet and Unit 8200 which is their version of the NSA which according to Israel failed on that day! Is that odd??
Also October 7th is a holiday in the Western occult calendar representing among other things the epoch reference date (start) of the modern Hebrew calendar. Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
“You’ve NO IDEA How Many You’ve Killed?” Piers Morgan vs Avi Hyman
quote: Piers Morgan continues his coverage on the tragic conflict in Palestine and Israel by taking Israeli Spokesman, Avi Hyman, to task on the operations of the IDF. While Mr Hyman emphasises that the IDF are going to great lengths to protect civilians, Piers is shocked to hear the Israeli Spokesman has official numbers on the amount of Hamas fighters killed, but has no similar data on the death toll for civilians. Piers rightfully presses Mr Hyman on this point, who seemingly cannot respond.
Piers then turns to Abby Martin and Mosab Hasan Yousef for their perspectives on what Mr Hyman had to say, and the debate soon becomes personal. Abby calls Mosab "a Palestinian who hates Palestinians" and he responds in kind by saying "Abby is a self-appointed, low-grade journalist". Both contributors lay accusations of supporting violence at the feet of the other.
3 European countries will recognize Palestine as a state
quote: Three European countries — Ireland, Spain and Norway — say they will recognize an independent state of Palestine, breaking with the U.S. and other Western nations. CBS News' Imtiaz Tyab reports on the implications, and the reaction.
Ireland, Norway and Spain to recognise Palestinian state | BBC News
quote: Ireland, Norway, and Spain have announced they will recognise a Palestinian state from 28 May. Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store said a two-state solution was the "only alternative"; while Ireland's PM Simon Harris said the decision would help create a "peaceful future". But, while Palestinian leaders welcomed the decision - with the Palestine Liberation Organization calling it a "historic moment" - Israel reacted furiously, saying it would summon the three countries' ambassadors to watch a video of the 7 October attacks. At least 140 countries already recognise the state of Palestine - but not the UK or the US.
ICC seeks arrest warrants for Hamas and Israeli leaders
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The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity over the October 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza, the court’s chief prosecutor Karim Khan told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview on Monday.
