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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
About a month ago, the Obadyah alliance put forth a Beit Din, or "Beth Din" ruling that recognizes the Igbo people as the children of Israel.

This is obviously very groundbreaking news for so-called african americans as well (and other descendants of the transatlantic slave trade), since it is a recorded historical fact that the Igbo people were one of the main groups taken as slaves during the transatlantic trade.

Here is a link to the organization's website:

https://obadyah.com/



Here is a link to the document:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf



Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ



Shalom!
 

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Posted by Tehutimes (Member # 21712) on :
 
I've read articles before about the Igbos being the Jews of Nigeria in books and online.This is similar to the Lemba People of South Africa and related folks in Zambia, Botswana, and Mozambique on History or Learning channels.
About twenty eight years ago a group of African Americans in Cairo,Illinois wanted to convert to Judaism so they called a rabbi in St.Louis,County Missouri asking if they could practice Judaism.
She went and converted them.A follow up on this conversion story would make an informative documentary.
 

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Posted by History123 (Member # 23551) on :
 
A random black fake Hebrew, speaking about other fake Hebrews. That's the source?? LOL

This is embarrassing.

This was already Debunked long ago.. and then they cried about it.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/igbo-not-jews-reveals-dna-report/

Fail post.

Anyways, the reason GOD didn't regather them back in the land now before Christ's soon Return and the 7 year Tribulation is because they aren't Real Hebrews.

Isaiah 11:11-12
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria(Iraqi Jews), and from Egypt(Mizrahi), and from Pathros, and from Cush(Beta Israel), and from Elam(Persian Jews), and from Shinar(Baghdadi Jews), and from Hamath(Syrian Hebrews), and from the islands of the sea.(Real Sephardi Hebrews)

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Happened. Jews were living Worldwide, from Siberia, Alaska, The Americas, Australia, almost Everywhere until 1948 and on.)


taz the Tazmanian DEVIL.





Spamming the internet with the lies and insane ramblings of your old brain.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tehutimes:
I've read articles before about the Igbos being the Jews of Nigeria in books and online.This is similar to the Lemba People of South Africa and related folks in Zambia, Botswana, and Mozambique on History or Learning channels.
About twenty eight years ago a group of African Americans in Cairo,Illinois wanted to convert to Judaism so they called a rabbi in St.Louis,County Missouri asking if they could practice Judaism.
She went and converted them.A follow up on this conversion story would make an informative documentary.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is a link to the organization's website:

https://obadyah.com/

Here is a link to the document:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

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quote from above document:





Some Igbo individuals in each of the different Igbo groups were not of Haplogroup E

Some Individuals in each Igbo group,
7%, 6%, 4% respectively
are categorized haplogroup BR*(xDE,JR)
(see text above for explanation)

this BR* category contains two distinct clusters
one African Haplogroup B and the other a Eurasian cluster of groups F,G and I
and as stated in the text, some of this DNA is of the same DNA groups found in some African groups in São Tomé, Africans who may have had Portuguese ancestors and have gradually over the centuries become more African due to the much larger population of Africans there.
The Christian Portuguese who colonized the island
brought in large numbers of African slaves from the coast to work on the plantations, on these same islands including Cape Verde also were Jews who refused to covert in Portugal were sent there including this group of children, separated from their parents and thought to have been raised as "New Christians"
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

I'm going off the fact that a sephardic rabbinical court has declared the Igbo are the descendants of ancient Israelites. They have the information, not me. They've done the research, not me. They're saying this, not me. Perhaps more information is on the way, this is recent news. If you're trying to imply that they just made this up out of nowhere then I don't know what to tell you.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

I'm going off the fact that a sephardic rabbinical court has declared the Igbo are the descendants of ancient Israelites. They have the information, not me. They've done the research, not me. They're saying this, not me. Perhaps more information is on the way, this is recent news. If you're trying to imply that they just made this up out of nowhere then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

1. Not all of them. My argument has always been that the black portuguese Jews were black. White jewish people are recorded in history books but when people like garfield and his buddies start saying the black ones were white too, that's just nonsense.

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2. Garfield interviewed a well known genetecist (razib khan) the other day and garfield's buddy asked him about the paternal lineage of sephardic Jews. The geneticist responded that it was mostly haplogroups J and E. The vast majority of "african americans" and "west africans" have haplogroup E.

To hear the geneticist say that sephardic lineages are mostly J and E, go to the 53:15 mark of the video:

https://youtu.be/U9yreKBlwlU

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take a look at this wikipedia, you might find some of it interesting, Jews also converted to Christianity to avoid the expulsion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrano

Marrano

Marranos were Spanish and Portuguese Jews living in the Iberian Peninsula who converted or were forced to convert to Christianity during the Middle Ages, yet continued to practice Judaism in secrecy.


Also this:

Genetic studies on Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

scroll down to

Y-DNA of North African Jews
for the male side there

and

Y-DNA of Portuguese Jews
for the female side there

and

MtDNA of Sephardi Jews
for the female side

They talk about percentages of various haplogroups they belong to and if you click on the reference numbers you can get a link to the scientific articles if you want to verify the sources, to make sure they are listing the information right

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Sephardi_Jews

So it doesn't mean all people who are in J are Jews, many are also Muslims/Arabs and there are some places in Central Asia (tends toward Muslim)

What this shows is that Jews in Portugal came from different places originally

So in the Ashkenazi chart the bottom there are 5 different studies Hammer, Behar etc
if you read across they have varying results but similar

Then there are Jews in Portugal in the chart above
Interestingly if these are accurate Ashkenazi Jews
have a greater proportion of people in haplogroup E then do the Jews of Portugal
If you add up the E in the Portugal study you get 8.7%
but the average in the various Ashkenazi studies is 19%
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

I hope you realize that the president of the sephardic organization (Obadyah) that made this ruling about the Igbo in the rabbinical courts is a "black" sephardic Jew, who also happens to be a rabbi. And his Y haplogroup is E1b1a.

upload pictures
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

I hope you realize that the president of the sephardic organization (Obadyah) that made this ruling about the Igbo in the rabbinical courts is a "black" sephardic Jew, who also happens to be a rabbi. And his Y haplogroup is E1b1a.

upload pictures

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https://www.academia.edu/21395422/Phylogeographic_analysis_of_paternal_lineages_in_NE_Portuguese_Jewish_communities


Here we have a 2009 study of 57 unrelated self-designated Jewish males from Tra´s-os-Montes in Portugal

The population there at that time was about 200,000



Looking here we see the root M96
it then splits to E1 and E2

then if we follow the E1 branch
that splits to E1a and E1b1

then if we follow E1b1 that splits to

E1b1a (V38)

and

E1b1b (215)

Now going to the tree chart from the study above it

There are various E1b1b
lineages

and the other E are shown as E*
Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota is E1b1a you said. Is that his birth name? I don't know
Mota is a Portuguese and Spanish name and adding Elazar, a Hebrew name is something he does with a hyphen
"Elazar-DeMota" I don't see anybody else has done
Among Sephardi Jews, particularly Spanish and Portuguese Jews, hakham is the official title of the local rabbi.
Yehonatan is the Hebrew form of Jonathan

Anyway as for this study of Jews in Tra´s-os-Montes it shows zero for E1b1a

The E1b1 is
all E1b1b1a
there's two b1's there before the "a"
otherwise it's a different lineage

at left on that chart is J,NJ and PT

J= Jew
NJ = non-Jew
PT = general population of Portugal

So of the four E1b1b1 types we see the Jews showing 2 out of the four:
E1b1b1b (M81) 5.2% that is the type that berbers in North Africa are known for and there is a history of Jews in North Africa that includes people form the expulsion and prior to it
and the percentage of people in this study in Portugal of Non-Jews that carry it is actually higher 10%

Then the second clade E1b1b1a (M78)
that shows 3.5% of the Jews there
and 6.7% in Non-Jews
E-M78, like its parent clade E-V68, is thought to have originated in Northeastern Africa around Egypt and Libya
In the PT, the genal population for Portugal, data from a different study 4.1%%

Now look at the haplogroup J, two types listed for Jews

J2 24.5%
J1 12.3%

total J 36.8%

but for Non-Jews the total is just 3.3%
they just found one person who was J1 and not Jewish. In the PT, the genal population for Portugal, data from a different study 10.4%

R1 was total 30.7% for Jews
Non-Jews, higher 56.7%

What this article is showing is that in this region of Jews in Portugal they found the Haplogroup E was carried by some Jews but at a lower percentage than in Non Jews
The haplogroups that were higher for Jews than Non_jews there was for Haplogroups J and T
That haplogroup T was recorded 28.6% in modern Egyptians also (Kujanova 2009)


Anyway all of this is just the male side
men inherit about 51% of their DNA from their mother so we don't know what maternal DNA group Rabbi Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota is from.
The names of his father and mother's maiden name might be a clue
The Sephardic tradition uses the Maternal line to determine Jewish lineage
Below is an article about female DNA of Jews on Portugal
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https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2014140

Echoes from Sepharad: signatures on the maternal gene pool of crypto-Jewish descendants
Inês Nogueiro,
European Journal of Human Genetics volume 23, pages693–699 (2015)Cite this article


Abstract
The majority of genetic studies on Jewish populations have been focused on Ashkenazim, and genetic data from the Sephardic original source, the Iberian Peninsula, are particularly scarce. Regarding the mitochondrial genome, the available information is limited to a single Portuguese village, Belmonte, where just two different lineages (a single one corresponding to 93.3%) (haplogroup HV0b) were found in 30 individuals. Aiming at disclosing the ancestral maternal background of the Portuguese Jewry, we enlarged the sampling to other crypto-Jewish descendants in the Bragança district (NE Portugal). Fifty-seven complete mtDNA genomes were newly sequenced and — in contrast with Belmonte — a high level of diversity was found, with five haplogroups being putatively identified as Sephardic founding lineages.

HV0b (12.3%)
N1 (7%)
T2b11
T2e and
U2e

Therefore — in sharp contrast with Belmonte — these communities have managed to escape the expected inbreeding effects caused by centuries of religious repression and have kept a significant proportion of the Sephardic founder gene pool. This deeper analysis of the surviving Sephardic maternal lineages allowed a much more comprehensive and detailed perspective on the origins and survival of the Sephardic genetic heritage. In line with previously published results on Sephardic paternal lineages, our findings also show a surprising resistance to the erosion of genetic diversity in the maternal lineages.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

You said all of that... to say what? What else is there to discuss?
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

You said all of that... to say what? What else is there to discuss?

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@the lioness

That's just one isolated study you referenced. Interesting how you believe one isolated study can prove or disprove a certain point. And Jew is a bloodline, not a religion.

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Ancient/classical writers always described Jews as being ethiopians (black africans).

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah:
[qb] @the lioness

That's just one isolated study you referenced. Interesting how you believe one isolated study can prove or disprove a certain point. And Jew is a bloodline, not a religion.

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@the lioness

No, they were not referring to beta israel. Ethiopian in ancient times simply meant any black person from the african continent. Classical writers often referred to Jews as ethiopians because Jews resembled native black africans.

Jews did not magically become white europeans in medieval spain/portugal.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Jew is a bloodline, not a religion.

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Is the bloodline passed to the children by the mother or father or both?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Are you playing dumb? Many ancient/classical writers and historians wrote about the Jews being "ethiopians".



The Scripture Gazetteer: A Geographical, Historical, and Statistical Account... Volume 1" by William Fleming, page 479 (1837) Edinburgh Printing and Publishing Company

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scripture_Gazetteer/Nm5AAAAAcAAJ?hl=en

The Torah and Tanakh say that lineage is determined through the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59).
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] @the lioness

That's just one isolated study you referenced.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Are you playing dumb? Many ancient/classical writers and historians wrote about the Jews being "ethiopians".



The Scripture Gazetteer: A Geographical, Historical, and Statistical Account... Volume 1" by William Fleming, page 479 (1837) Edinburgh Printing and Publishing Company

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Tacitus,
The Histories, Book V
c. 110 CE

"Some say that the Jews were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighboring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighboring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbors to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name. Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Jew is a bloodline, not a religion.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Is the bloodline passed to the children by the mother or father or both?

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The Torah and Tanakh say that lineage is determined through the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59).

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If that is the case the bloodline of the Sephardics must be a huge ball of confusion since they go by the mother


Second question.
A Jewish man has a son.
The son decides to become an ashiest and doesn't practice any of the laws or traditions.

So if you are saying he's Jewish by bloodline
is there any value in it?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

I am fully aware of the primary Tacitus source. Tacticus is obviously implying all of the people mentioned were black, including the Jews. Tacitus is not the only writer who wrote this about the Jews being black, according to the source I referenced.

The author I referenced clearly states that according to older writers, Jews were always mistaken as being ethiopians/cushites, which are black africans.

Modern judaism has created it's own traditions and a lot of them have nothing to do with what's in the Bible. There are no scriptures that say the bloodline is traced through the woman.

If an indian stops practicing hinduism, do they magically stop being indian?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

The geneticist that garfield interviewed also said that haplogroup E was the founding group of the Israelites.

I'm not going to go into genetics with you, you're having a having a hard time admitting and accepting the simple fact that classical historians said the Jews were black. So there's no point. Your goal is not to be truthful.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
But I will leave this here. The Natufians (ancestors of the Israelites) were haplogroup E (E1b1a/E1b1b). Haplogroup J does not have semitic origins.

AJ's = ashkenazi jews


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


The Natufians (ancestors of the Israelites) were haplogroup E (E1b1a/E1b1b). Haplogroup J does not have semitic origins.

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The Natufian culture dates 15,000 to 11,500 years ago. It's a complete guess that they are the ancestors of the Israelites

Also the haplogroup of Natufians was E1b1b, that it associated with the Horn and North Africa, not surprising since this is in closer proximity to the Levant
They were not E1b1a, you made that up
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Did you miss the highlighted part of the study I posted? It says the Natufians were the most likely Judaean progenitors. Making it impossible for J to have anything to do with ancient Israel.

And I meant to say that there was e1b1 in the natufian sample(s) -- e1b1a descends from e1b1. E1b1a is semitic/afro-asiatic.



J has nothing to do with haplogroup E, and a large majority of modern jewish people are haplogroup J. Therefore, the large majority of modern jewish people have nothing to do with ancient Israel.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] @the lioness

Did you miss the highlighted part of the study I posted? It says the Natufians were the most likely Judaean progenitors. Making it impossible for J to have anything to do with ancient Israel.

And I meant to say that there was e1b1 in the natufian sample(s) -- e1b1a descends from e1b1. E1b1a is semitic/afro-asiatic.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

J has nothing to do with haplogroup E, and a large majority of modern jewish people are haplogroup J. Therefore, the large majority of modern jewish people have nothing to do with ancient Israel.

And Jew is a bloodline, not a religion.

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The Israelites could have been J or E. That is unknown and they are not necessarily the same people found at the Natufian site

But what if they were of haplogroup E.
The Israelites would be only one tiny fraction of all the people who carry haplogroup E
And what does that bloodline get you?
A whole history of oppression and expulsion?

Christians and Muslims to a large extent don't care about bloodline

Bloodline is the type of thing old kings and Pharaohs promoted to keep power in their families.

Bloodline is a stupid concept
It does absolutely nothing for you and is only used as a tool to manipulate.
Intelligent people don't care about bloodline.
You are either great or not great, who your ancestors were does not change who you are
Bloodline is a tool for power, it is not a righteous thing

No God would be stupid enough to create all of humanity and then only love a tiny fraction of it based on them breeding. How stupid !
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Seems many people here in the west goes on and on about Igbos eventual Jewish heritage, but one do not hear so much about real old Igbo religions and spirituality.

It seems many forget that it is only a fraction of the Igbo people who are Jews. Many are Christians and some have retained their traditional religions.

Seems ancient traditional religions are forgotten in all the expressions of joy over the fact that some Igbos have been accepted as "Israelites".

As if Jews around the world would care about Christian Igbos or care about Igbos who venerate the about 100 traditional Igbo Gods and many spirits of different kinds. What do Jews around the world care about traditional Igbo art, dance, masks and music?


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

You're wrong. Razib khan (the geneticist garfield interviewed) clearly said E would have been found in high frequencies in ancient Israelites. He also said J is not semitic or afro asiatic. I already gave you the timestamp and the video. Plenty of othet studies say J is not semitic and that modern jewish people have non-levantine origins.

I don't care much for DNA but it's clear that even the DNA supports what I'm saying. Ancient/classical writers always described the ancient Jews and Israelites as being "ethiopians" because they resembled black africans.

Feel free to try explaining where all of these black Jews went.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotyperyx

Thanks for your opinion, but that's all it is. An opinion with no facts. The document I linked to the rabbinical court ruling explains how the Igbo people were forced into christianity and other religions as they were conquered, but that they are still bloodline Israelites. Customs and practices do not change your bloodline or genetics.

I will post the link to the rabbinical court ruling again:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
About a month ago, the Obadyah alliance put forth a Beit Din, or "Beth Din" ruling that recognizes the Igbo people as the children of Israel.

This is obviously very groundbreaking news for so-called african americans as well (and other descendants of the transatlantic slave trade), since it is a recorded historical fact that the Igbo people were one of the main groups taken as slaves during the transatlantic trade.



Here is a link to the document:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

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^^ Here is the first page of the 4 page document

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Igbo People Recognized as Israelites by Sephardic Jewish Rabbinical Court

About a month ago, the Obadyah alliance put forth a Beit Din, or "Beth Din" ruling that recognizes the Igbo people as the children of Israel.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Plenty of other studies say J is not semitic

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False

again, you are making up stuff
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR2DlITqpHk

12:44

"the most important Jewish people founding lineages are J and H"

12:26 He also mentions L1b and L32b

When he's talking about Y DNA haplogroup J
he is talking the mitochondrial female J which is different from the male J type
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

We've now reached the point of the discussion where you are becoming more and more dishonest and trying to gaslight.

1. The sephardic organization that ruled the Igbo are Israelites put forth a beth din ruling which stands in all jewish courts.

2. I linked the document.

3. I linked a video of the president of the organization explaining the ruling. You can search his name on the internet and view all of his credentials.

4. You are ignoring and running from the fact that classical and ancient historians recorded the Jews as being "ethiopians", which meant they resembled black africans.

5. The first study I posted says ashkenazi jewish people (largest so-called jewish population in the world) have non-levantine origins and that the most likely progenitors of ancient Judaeans were natifians (haplogroup E.)

6. The geneticist that garfield interviewed also said this, and he also said that haplogroup was not afro-asiatic, while haplogroup E is. He literally said E was the founding haplogroup of ancient Israelites and that they had E in high frequencies. I gave the link to the video and the timestamp.

7. Haplogroup J is not semitic or afro-asiatic in origin, they assimilated into semitic or afro-asiatic culture after migrating.



SOURCE: https://familypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Haplogroup_F-M89
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Haplogroup J is not Levantine/Jew. You are a lying pseudo. Stop spamming my posts with your pseudo garbage.

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


where they speak Hebrew
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Did you miss the part where the source I posted says J people assimilated into afro-asiatic culture and abandoned their original language? Language proves nothing.

Haplogroup J is not semitic or afro-asiatic in origin, they assimilated into semitic or afro-asiatic culture after migrating.



SOURCE: https://familypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Haplogroup_F-M89
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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@the lioness

Haplogroup J is not Levantine/Jew. You are a lying pseudo. Stop spamming my posts with your pseudo garbage.

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The Paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets developed in the wake of the Bronze Age collapse, out of their immediate predecessor script Proto-Canaanite (Late Proto-Sinaitic) during the 13th to 12th centuries BCE, and earlier Proto-Sinaitic scripts.
Haplogroup J-P58 has an age of ~5.4ky in Semitic groups, and this is in concordance with the 5,750 years ago origin of Semitic languages
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


Old Hebrew script derived directly from Phoenician, and Christopher Rollston contends that Old Hebrew script did not split off from its Phoenician predecessor until the ninth century B.C.E. The Hebrew language existed well before then; the oldest extant Hebrew language texts are recorded in Phoenician script.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Haplogroup J (majority of modern jewish people) is not Levantine in origin.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Haplogroup J (majority of modern jewish people) is not Levantine in origin.

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try to keep I just posted, All Jewish lineages of haplogroup J1-M267 fall into the subclade J-P58
which evolved in the Levant, that is where they had migrated to and this new sub clade evolved, the one Jewish priests carry



So expect us to believe that all these hap E people are Israelites? The entire E group?

Where are the Hebrew speakers? It doesn't make sense

we'll wait for your explanation
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

You've already been proven wrong. J is from the caucusus region and migrated to the Levant and assimilated into the pre-existing afro-asiatic culture. You didn't even know this until I provided the studies. E was the founding haplogroup of the Judaeans, according to geneticists. At this point you're just grasping for straws. Language does not prove anything and is a weak argument for a debunked position. Run along now
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

You've already been proven wrong. J is from the caucusus region and migrated to the Levant and assimilated into the pre-existing afro-asiatic culture. You didn't even know this until I provided the studies. E was the founding haplogroup of the Judaeans, according to geneticists. At this point you're just grasping for straws. Language does not prove anything and is a weak argument for a debunked position. Run along now

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

Thanks for your opinion, but that's all it is. An opinion with no facts. The document I linked to the rabbinical court ruling explains how the Igbo people were forced into christianity and other religions as they were conquered, but that they are still bloodline Israelites. Customs and practices do not change your bloodline or genetics.

I will post the link to the rabbinical court ruling again:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:



SOURCE: https://familypedia.fandom.com/wiki/Haplogroup_F-M89 [/QB]

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https://tinyurl.com/mtcxnphp

Wikipedia

Haplogroup E-M215 (Y-DNA)

E-M215, also known as E1b1b and formerly E3b, is a major human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.

Possible place of origin:
North Africa or the northern Horn of Africa

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

Genetic studies on Jews

Approximately 35% to 43% of Jewish men are in the paternal line known as haplogroup J[a] and its sub-haplogroups. This haplogroup is particularly present in the Middle East and Southern Europe.[33] 15% to 30% are in haplogroup E1b1b,[b] (or E-M35) and its sub-haplogroups which is common in the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Europe.

In Ashkenazi (and Sephardi) Jews, the most common paternal lineages generally are E1b1b, J2, and J1, with others found at lesser rates.

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We are going in circles now
Above the chart I already posted

The lower chart, Ashkenazi show the E3b (E1b1b) sub clades
5 different articles are referenced
For instance the top line Hammer
on of the clades 3% the other 17%
that is a total of 20%
20% of Ashkenazi Jews in that Hammer study were
E1b1b

And there are 4 more studies with similar percentages around 20%

So there you have it, when Famliypedia is talking about E3b, that is just another name for E1b1b

E1b1a (E3a) is not a descendant of E1b1b although they have a common ancestor

And as we can see there are 5 articles studying modern Ashkenazi Jews and about 20% of Ashkenazis were E3b aka E1b1b

And does this mean anybody who is E3b had Jewish ancestors? No

In other words you played yourself with that Familypedia



This haplogroup E3b is associated with the Eastern half of Africa and horn and North Africans carry this haplogroup as well as some Arabs Europeans but I have seen to documentation that Igbos do.
Maybe some percentage do but you have yet to show evidence, no articles that document Igbos were tested and carry E3b
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Are you seriously referencing content from garfield reid? Is that what you do whenever you come across info I post that you don't like? Hilarious! So garfield the atheist has more authority on the topic than the sephardic rabbinical court?

I literally just did a presentation on Dante Fortson's channel a few hours ago exposing a lie that garfield and his crew have been telling about the black portuguese Jews for over a year. They got debunked and changed their position/moved the goal post and then lied about their original claims, receipts are right here:

"THE MAGIC MOVING GOAL POST - PRESENTED BY TAZARAH | URBAN APOLOGISTS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS"

https://youtu.be/3UFWrH5iZAY

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Excellent work and research


 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Ancient/classical writers always described Jews as being ethiopians (black africans).

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1. ______

2. ... how irresistible and beautiful is the image of her face; how
3. lovely h[er] foreh[ead, and] soft the hair of her head! How graceful are her eyes, and how precious her nose; every feature

4. of her face is radiating beauty! How lovely is her breast,and how beautiful her white complexion! As for her arms, how beautiful they are! And her hands, how

5. perfect they are! How [desirable] all the appearance of her hands! How graceful are her palms, and how long and thin all the fingers of her hands! Her legs

6. are of such beauty, and her thighs so perfectly apportioned!

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This sculpture head is found in Israel and is about 2800 years old. It does not show a black person.


Sculpture head

There is no tangible evidence that ancient Jews in the Levant were black. They looked like other Levantine peoples. Their descendants exist in the area still today.

DNA from the Bible's Canaanites lives on in modern Arabs and Jews
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Are you seriously referencing content from garfield reid? Is that what you do whenever you come across info I post that you don't like? Hilarious! So garfield the atheist has more authority on the topic than the sephardic rabbinical court?

I literally just did a presentation on Dante Fortson's channel a few hours ago exposing a lie that garfield and his crew have been telling about the black portuguese Jews for over a year. They got debunked and changed their position/moved the goal post and then lied about their original claims, receipts are right here:

"THE MAGIC MOVING GOAL POST - PRESENTED BY TAZARAH | URBAN APOLOGISTS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS"

https://youtu.be/3UFWrH5iZAY

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Excellent work and research

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Garfield is an agent against the people.. cointelpro/devil/

Been knowing this for years
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 
Hap J not getting to the levant until the bronze age is SO SWEET.. they was so sure hap J built the pyramids..


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotyperyx

I've referenced historical sources, scientific studies, etc. All you've referenced is your useless opinion and a twisted personal interpretation of biblical scripture. This is the part where I stop taking you seriously... you are not worth the time and clearly are not on my level. Stick to cherrypicking images of "white" people.

Israelite Slaves in 14-15th Century BC Egypt -- Tomb of Rekhmire:



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287786412_With_without_straw_How_Israelite_slaves_made_bricks
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Can you read? According to geneticists, your entire position is dead wrong and invalid. Haplogroup E is afro-asiatic, haplogroup J is not. The founders of the Judaean race were haplogroup E, haplogroup J has nothing to do with ancient Israel. Get over it?




 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@Yatunde Lisa

LOL exactly... yet he/she (the lioness) is 100% going to keep posting and spamming their pseudo nonsense, even though the facts could not be anymore clear.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotyperyx

I've referenced historical sources, scientific studies, etc. All you've referenced is your useless opinion and a twisted personal interpretation of biblical scripture. This is the part where I stop taking you seriously... you are not worth the time and clearly are not on my level. Stick to cherrypicking images of "white" people.

Israelite Slaves in 14-15th Century BC Egypt -- Tomb of Rekhmire:



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287786412_With_without_straw_How_Israelite_slaves_made_bricks

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Hairy chest dude and coworker,
enlargement from your URL link above, interesting
Not exactly Igbo looking

From the tomb of the nobleman Rekhmire,
1479–1425 B.C

There is no proof that these are Israelites, they may or may not be related
the tomb text for this painting:

"The captives that His Majesty has bought back to work in the temple of Amun".

"Making bricks to rebuild nine workshops of Amun in Karnak".
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Who should we believe? Lioness, the egypt search troll/liar who gaslights 24/7? Or the actual scholars, professors, archaeologists, etc., who put the article together.


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

Israelite Slaves in 14-15th Century BC Egypt -- Tomb of Rekhmire:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287786412_With_without_straw_How_Israelite_slaves_made_bricks

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^^ Yatunde Lisa, what do think of this? There are a lot of these "biblical scholars" usually Christians who look at Egyptian art and try to make certain pictures fit a bible narrative, that we are looking at "Israelite slaves" here
do you buy that?
so called Hoteps don't go for that but some BHI's do.
Then you have some other BHI's for instance General Yahanna talking about that the Black Hebrews were the Hyksos
What's the real deal in your opinion?


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Who should we believe? Lioness, the egypt search troll/liar who gaslights 24/7? Or the actual scholars, professors, archaeologists, etc., who put the article together.


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

The truth hurts so bad, doesn't it? Especially when your gaslighting doesn't work against the facts. You're pseudo, nobody believes your pseudo garbage.

Who should we believe? Lioness, the egypt search troll/liar who gaslights 24/7? Or the actual scholars, professors, archaeologists, etc., who put the article together.


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
^^ I'm not impressed, even after you posted it 3 times
I read peer reviewed research in science journals
that aint one. It's an article in Biblical Archaeology Review magazine
You have an article there that starts with a big bible quote, a religious text
That is what they present as given, as truth
then they look at Egyptian art and try to make it fit
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ I'm not impressed, even after you posted it 3 times
I read peer reviewed research in science journals
that aint one. It's an article in Biblical Archaeology Review magazine
You have an article there that starts with a big bible quote, a religious text
That is what they present as given, as truth
then they look at Egyptian art and try to make it fit

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
^^ I'm not impressed, even after you posted it 3 times
I read peer reviewed research in science journals
that aint one. It's an article in Biblical Archaeology Review magazine
You have an article there that starts with a big bible quote, a religious text
That is what they present as given, as truth
then they look at Egyptian art and try to make it fit

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What makes them NOT Israelites?

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


I've referenced historical sources, scientific studies, etc. All you've referenced is your useless opinion and a twisted personal interpretation of biblical scripture. This is the part where I stop taking you seriously... you are not worth the time and clearly are not on my level. Stick to cherrypicking images of "white" people.

Israelite Slaves in 14-15th Century BC Egypt -- Tomb of Rekhmire:



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287786412_With_without_straw_How_Israelite_slaves_made_bricks [/QB]

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You just imagine things you have not proved anything more than pseudo historical babble.

Here are some pics of real Jews, not your black fantasy products

This head is actually found in Israel itself, it is not someone else's interpretation of them (bound by artistic conventions that you do not understand).






King Jehu, from the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III, 9th century BC

Lets jump forward in time to 79 AD, here is how the romans could depict Jews


Figures from the 300s AD, from mosaics in a synagogue in northern Israel.



We even have hair preserved of Jews from Jerusalem during the time of Christ and it is indeed no kinky Afro hair.

Seems some people can not accept their own roots but want to believe they are something else

It seems to be a sickness among some black people who are ashamed of their true roots and instead prefer fantasies about them being ancient Israelites, ancient Egyptians, ancient Olmecs, ancient Chinese or even ancient Vikings.

DNA from the Bible's Canaanites lives on in modern Arabs and Jews

Better African Americans with West African roots accept their own historical and cultural past with deep roots in time



Real Igbo culture, not some wannabe Israelite wishful thinking.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

You just literally said there is "no proof they are israelites".

Who should we believe? Lioness, the egypt search troll/liar who gaslights 24/7? Or the actual scholars, professors, archaeologists, etc., who put the article together.


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

All you're doing is copying/pasting the same bogus talking points and images that white supremacists use. Where do you get your info from, stormfront? You and the lioness are no match for any of the info I've posted. Jews were always recorded as being "ethiopians" by ancient writers because they resembled black africans. No one cares about your cherry picked images. The image I shared from 14th-15th century BC egypt clearly depicts the Israelites as a black/negroid race of people.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
No, I actually post real pictures of Jews through different times, not some Afrocentric rubbish.

I also posted about the Canaanite heritage among todays Jews and Arabs.

Have you ever been in any museum and seen real pictures of ancient Israelites and other ancient Semitic peoples?

Seems you hate your true Afican roots and just want to pretend to be an Israelite.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

So these people are "afrocentric", as well as the classical/ancient historians who recorded the Jews as being "ethiopians"? LOL, have a nice day


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

[/QB]
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

So these people are "afrocentric"

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calling these people Israelites is Afrocentric ????
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
You just post same rubbish, you have probably never been in any museum and seen any real depictions of ancient Israelites or other ancient Semitic peoples. You just cherry pic info that you believe support your wannabe fantasies of being an Israelite.

Sad to see people who despise their real ancestors and cultural background.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

All I see is a butthurt pseudo troll throwing ad homs because he's been proven wrong by undeniable historical facts from multiple different sources produced by multiple different scholars.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Haha, I understand that you have never been in the museums where they actually have ancient art which depicts real Israelites, not your Afro-fantasy Israelites.

Your so called "undeniable" facts are only the usual wannabe Israelite fantasies which some Blacks like to spout because they are ashamed over their real history. Sad.

I bet you do not even know any real Israelites.



Some Israelites and other Semites during 2000 years
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

You realize the first image in the set you just posted is an artist reconstructiom/re-rendering, correct? In other words, it's not the original image. Thank you for further demonstrating your incompetence.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
I know it is an artistic rendering, but it is made from an original, and the people in the original are not black Africans either. I show pictures of Jews and other Semites from a period stretching over 2000 years, showing they were not Black "negroid" Africans. I recommend you to visit some museum some day where they have ancient depictions of ancient Jews and other ancient Semites.

I see you have nothing to show since you post same rubbish again and again.

Some more pictures of ancient Jews and other Semites. It is only in a fantasy that they were black "negroid" people. They were ancestors of Jews of today, and most like people who still live in Israel and Lebanon.



 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Are you playing dumb? Many ancient/classical writers and historians wrote about the Jews being "ethiopians".



The Scripture Gazetteer: A Geographical, Historical, and Statistical Account... Volume 1" by William Fleming, page 479 (1837) Edinburgh Printing and Publishing Company

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scripture_Gazetteer/Nm5AAAAAcAAJ?hl=en

The Torah and Tanakh say that lineage is determined through the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59).

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
N/A
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Some people continue to deny their real roots.

But others cherish their ancestors and their true culture.

Some more real traditional Igbo culture


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient semites were negroid:



"The Arabs: The Life Story of a People who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World" by Bertram Thomas, page 355 (1937) Doubleday, Doran and Company, Incorporated

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172706
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
firsthand historical account from 641 AD stating that Israelites could not be told apart from Nubians and Abyssinians (Ethiopians):



"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt

https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Short_History_of_the_Copts_and_of_Thei.html?id=ybXUAAAAMAAJ
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Seems you only post the same rubbish over and over again. While I show many different pictures from different times. Seems you got stuck. No idea to discuss with you since you are immune to facts
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews:



"The Negro in the New World" by Sir Harry H. Johnston, page 27 (1910) Smithsonian Institution

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/negroinnewworl00john
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
B t w the ancient Jews had no afros either

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One of the more fascinating finds in this tomb, one that has not received much attention, was the preservation of a sample of Jewish male hair. The hair was lice-free, and was trimmed or cut evenly, probably indicating that the family buried in this tomb practiced good hygiene and grooming. The length of the hair was medium to short, averaging 3-4 inches. The color was reddish.

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Ancient Jewish hair
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Seems you only post the same rubbish over and over again. While I show many different pictures from different times. Seems you got stuck. No idea to discuss with you since you are immune to facts

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews

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Haha, so you think an anthropological source from 1910 is relevant? As if there has been no development in anthropology since then.

Well, I´m out, no idea to discuss with pseudos.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews:



"The Negro in the New World" by Sir Harry H. Johnston, page 27 (1910) Smithsonian Institution

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/negroinnewworl00john

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


https://pure.uva.nl/ws/files/60796942/Thesis.pdf

Nação legal consciousness and its contribution to the seventeenth-century Dutch Republic debate on slavery and the slave trade
Y. Elazar De Mota
2021

ABSTRACT

In the seventeenth century, some conversos living throughout Western Europe, who had been either trained in the School of Salamanca or influenced by it, came to the Dutch Republic in search of religious freedom, where they reverted to the open practice of the Jewish tradition. A select few of them became scholars of rabbinic jurisprudence, while retaining their knowledge of Christian theology. As residents and foreigners in the Dutch Republic, rabbis and philosophers synthesized Greek philosophy, Iberian Roman law, rabbinic reasoning, and Jewish and Christian philosophy, in light of the socioeconomic context of the Dutch Republic, to produce literature on behalf of reverted Jews. At the bedrock of Nação legal consciousness lies the jurisprudence of the Nação in seventeenth-century Amsterdam. The main focus of this research project is on the pressing issue: How did the Nação in seventeenth-century Amsterdam contribute to the legal-political discussions of ius naturae et gentium in the Amsterdam-Dutch Republic debate on slavery and the slave trade? While many have undertaken research on the development of the ius naturae et gentium, the contribution of the Sephardim in Amsterdam is insufficiently researched. The aim of this dissertation is to add to the discussion by examining the seventeenth-century Portuguese Hebrew Nation in the Dutch Republic and its colonies, whose ideas of servitus, dominium and libertas were central to the justification of the Dutch Atlantic slave trade, as participants in, and contributors to the law of nature and nations. The goal is to reveal how the Nação in seventeenth-century Amsterdam participates in and contributes to the thinking, reasoning, and arguing about slavery and the slave trade, via the language, concepts, and notions of the time, which was dominated by the language of ius naturae et gentium.

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Remarkably, no mention of Igbos in the whole 318 page document

Nevertheless "Portuguese Jew" is mentioned 56 times and expulsion 17 times. Tazarah you might want to read this
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Yehonatan De Mota's sephardic organization ruled that the Igbo are bloodline Israelites in rabbinical court. The Igbo people were one of the main groups of people targeted during the transatlantic slave trade.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is a link to the document:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

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^^ This is not a Rabbinical Court document
(aka Beth din)

Rabbinical court documents say "Rabbinical Court" at the top and are signed by a judge or judges at the bottom

It's a Florida organization, with no jurisdiction over Igbos of Nigeria

but if some Igbos want to practice Judaism and say they are Jews I support it.
I don't see why a man born in the Dominican Republic and has an organization in Florida has any authority over Nigerians.
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
Some people continue to deny their real roots.

But others cherish their ancestors and their true culture.

Some more real traditional Igbo culture

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Israel reveals eerie collection of Neolithic ‘spirit’ masks
Ahead of Purim, 12 relics of 9,000-year-old ancestor worship from Judean Desert, Hills to go on display at Israel Museum for first tim
https://www.timesofisrael.com/eerie-neolithic-masks-to-make-israel-museum-debut/




the face of God... Iron Age



Revealed: In First Temple era, another massive temple was in use near Jerusalem
Large 10th century BCE worship complex being excavated at Motza in ancient Judah; 4 miles from Temple Mount, site was ‘sanctioned’ by Jerusalem administration, say archaeologists

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-temple-era-judah-another-massive-temple-was-in-use-outside-jerusalem/

The Nok culture is a population whose material remains are named after the Ham village of Nok in Kaduna State of Nigeria, where their terracotta sculptures were first discovered in 1928. Wikipedia
Location: Nigeria nationalgeographic.org
Period: Iron Age
Dates: c. 1500 BC — c. 500 AD




 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 


Judean Pillar Figurines notice the Nubian hairstyle





Bambara Female Scultpure




Yoruba Female Figurine
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

The truth hurts so bad huh? Always making excuses to deny the undeniable. That man is a sephardic rabbi with all the credentials required, he and his team of rabbis put forth a beth din ruling that stands in all rabbinical courts. They aren't just in florida, their organization has several locations.

You didn't have a problem referencing his work when you thought it would help your silly J haplogroup argument. Don't be a hypocrite.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@Yatunde Lisa

Get 'em... lol.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
We have also masks on 8000 years old paintings from Tassili in Algeria, which have similarities with West African masks. One does not have to go to Israel to find art that reminds of todays West African art. It is like going over the stream after water.


 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
About people in ancient Israel. We of course have some human remains from different time that can show us how people would have looked like.

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"The lifelike faces, fashioned from clay by a Canadian forensic artist, are based on the skulls of four people whose remains were unearthed in Israel. They include a male, perhaps a hunter, who lived 6,000 years ago and was buried in a Judean Desert cave; a baby interred inside a vase underneath a Jordan Valley house in the same period; a woman thought to be a Philistine who lived on the coast near Ashkelon 3,000 years ago; and a Galilean male who lived around the time of Jesus."

"The skulls were reconstructed for the show by an Israeli forensic anthropologist, Israel Hershkovitz of Tel Aviv University, with the help of technicians using 3D imaging equipment. Victoria Lywood, the forensic artist, then
produced clay renderings of what the four might have looked like when they were alive."

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Reconstructions



Then we have this well known image modelled from remains from men who lived in the time of Jesus.



And as mentioned before, we even have hair preserved from ancient Israelites.

Ancient Jewish skulls
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@Yatunde Lisa

Dude seriously posted the CGI image of "Jesus" face LOL
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 


"The Races of Men: A Fragment" by Robert Knox, page 300 (1850) Lea & Blanchard

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Races_of_Men.html?id=MeoqAAAAYAAJ
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 


"Liberal Review: An Organ of the Independent Thinkers of America, Volume 3" by Mangasar Mugurditch Mangasarian, page 478 (1906) Library of the University of Michigan

https://books.google.com/books/about/Liberal_Review.html?id=Vl7PAAAAMAAJ
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:


Judean Pillar Figurines notice the Nubian hairstyle

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


"The Races of Men: A Fragment" by Robert Knox, page 300 (1850) Lea & Blanchard

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

Dude seriously posted the CGI image of "Jesus" face LOL

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeolteryx

Your signature literally says "old is good". Is old only good when it isn't debunking your position?

Are socrates, aristotle, herodotus, etc., "outdated"? Or are you just butthurt and making silly excuses.

All these "old" sources prove that your european scholars already knew the truth hundreds of years ago. Feel free to keep crying about it though. It's funny and entertaining to watch.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews:



"The Negro in the New World" by Sir Harry H. Johnston, page 27 (1910) Smithsonian Institution

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/negroinnewworl00john

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient semites were negroid:



"The Arabs: The Life Story of a People who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World" by Bertram Thomas, page 355 (1937) Doubleday, Doran and Company, Incorporated

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172706

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


I'm actually laughing at you, very hard.

1. I thought you were done in this thread after you got debunked earlier?

2. What "ancient jewish remains" were examined to create that CGI image? Please tell all of us. Because ancient Israelite remains have never been examined.

This is worse than you posting that reconstructed image from the book of gates. LOL.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient semites were negroid:



"The Arabs: The Life Story of a People who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World" by Bertram Thomas, page 355 (1937) Doubleday, Doran and Company, Incorporated

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172706

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
We have also masks on 8000 years old paintings from Tassili in Algeria, which have similarities with West African masks. One does not have to go to Israel to find art that reminds of todays West African art. It is like going over the stream after water.

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-strange-drawing-could-undermine-our-entire-idea-of-judaism-1.5973328


"Then, it seems, "the Lord our God” wasn't “one God.” He may have even had a wife, going by the completely unique "portrait" of the Jewish deity that archaeologists found at the site, which may well be the only existing depiction of YHWH."
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
About people in ancient Israel. We of course have some human remains from different time that can show us how people would have looked like.

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"The lifelike faces, fashioned from clay by a Canadian forensic artist, are based on the skulls of four people whose remains were unearthed in Israel. They include a male, perhaps a hunter, who lived 6,000 years ago and was buried in a Judean Desert cave; a baby interred inside a vase underneath a Jordan Valley house in the same period; a woman thought to be a Philistine who lived on the coast near Ashkelon 3,000 years ago; and a Galilean male who lived around the time of Jesus."

"The skulls were reconstructed for the show by an Israeli forensic anthropologist, Israel Hershkovitz of Tel Aviv University, with the help of technicians using 3D imaging equipment. Victoria Lywood, the forensic artist, then
produced clay renderings of what the four might have looked like when they were alive."

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Reconstructions



Then we have this well known image modelled from remains from men who lived in the time of Jesus.



And as mentioned before, we even have hair preserved from ancient Israelites.

Ancient Jewish skulls

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:
We have also masks on 8000 years old paintings from Tassili in Algeria, which have similarities with West African masks. One does not have to go to Israel to find art that reminds of todays West African art. It is like going over the stream after water.

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-strange-drawing-could-undermine-our-entire-idea-of-judaism-1.5973328


"Then, it seems, "the Lord our God” wasn't “one God.” He may have even had a wife, going by the completely unique "portrait" of the Jewish deity that archaeologists found at the site, which may well be the only existing depiction of YHWH."

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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^^^^^^^^^ Earlier I shared this modern source put together by non-black scholars/professors/archaeologists and you cried "afrocentrism". LOL. There's always a silly excuse. Your tears are delicious.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeopteryx

Ooooo, scraps of braided hair definitely prove your point [sarcasm].

I've asked you to link a study detailing the examination of ancient Israelite remains (as you claim has been done) to support your argument. Still waiting...

PS, bones and skeletal remains don't get "outdated" smart guy. If those bones were negroid a hundred years ago, they're still negroid today. LOL what a joke.

Excuses on top of excuses. The truth hurts that bad eh?

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 
"how to tell me you did not read the article without telling me you did not read the article"


And one only resorts to insults when they have gotten their A&&'s handed to them...


But I got more for you where that came from



 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@Yatunde Lisa

That guy doesn't read anything. He just gets proven wrong, then he cries and complains and makes excuses. Typical eurocentric
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Pity you, you so want Israelites to be negroids, since you are ashamed of your true roots.

I already posted about reconstructions of ancient remains from Israel. If you do not believe me go to Israel and ask the experts, or at least mail them. But I am sure you will never do that because it could disturb your dreams about ancient negroid Jews

You just post old outdated stuff since you know that modern archaeology and anthropology debunk your claims.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:
"how to tell me you did not read the article without telling me you did not read the article"


And one only resorts to insults when they have gotten their A&&'s handed to them...


But I got more for you where that came from

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

That guy doesn't read anything. He just gets proven wrong, then he cries and complains and makes excuses. Typical eurocentric

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

The truth hurts so bad huh? Always making excuses to deny the undeniable. That man is a sephardic rabbi with all the credentials required, he and his team of rabbis put forth a beth din ruling that stands in all rabbinical courts. They aren't just in florida, their organization has several locations.

You didn't have a problem referencing his work when you thought it would help your silly J haplogroup argument. Don't be a hypocrite.

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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

^^ It's ridiculous to call this a beth din
there is no rabbinical court listed at the top or anywhere in the whole 4 page document

nor even a statement saying that a Rabbinical court or authoritative body of any kind recognizes Igbos !!

Come on Tazarah

When I go back and look yout presentations I discover they are even more flimsy





^^ look at this, Beth Din 101
Badatz of Lakewood NJ
This is how they look. In Hebrew at the top, it's a Foreclosure, that is the subject
Above that "Rabbinical Court"


Look if this other document said

"OBADYAH RABBINICAL COURT

Recognition of Igbos as Jews"


^^ then at least it might look like a legal decree from a court but it doesn't

Show that Obadayah "document" to anybody and they will have no idea somebody is claiming
this to be a legal document or ruling
Read the damn thing, it doesn't make sense claiming this is a legal document.
It's hardly a document. It resembles an article.
What document is in question and Answer form?

Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota went to University for a law degree. Obviously he knows what he's doing, rather not doing
He is not making it NOT look like a beth din
because they have no official "Rabbinical court"

> Because there is no Rabbinical Court.
There is no jurisdiction. It is only an organization

>> Try to find anything, some other ruling by them

And despite 4 pages of text they do not present any evidence that Igbos are Jews be heritage, he just says they are. And he were to make the whole thing look more authoritative there is a big problem in talking about Igbo Y-DNA (which he doesn't detail), the problem is both Sephardic an Ashkenazi Jews determine Jewishness by the matriarchal line and he is coming from a traditional background and transmission it seems and his team, not BHIs

Of course, no mention of this below
If Igbos are Jews, what's all this indigenous African religion? And where are the Hebrew speakers? >>


IGBO RELIGION

Igbo religion distinguishes between three types of supernatural beings: God, the spirits, and the ancestors. Ndigbo believe that there is only one supreme being, who is variously known in different parts of Igboland as Chukwu, Chineke, Ezechitoke, Osebuluwa or Obasi di n'elu. Each name privileges certain attributes. He created the world and sustains it from above, and one of his praise names is "the one who is known but never fully known." Igbo parents honor Chukwu by naming their children in praise of his power: Chuk-wudi ("God lives"), Chukwu nyelu ("God gave"), Chuk-wuneke ("God creates"), Chukwuma ("God knows"), Chukwuka ("God is greater"), Ifeanyichukwu ("nothing impossible with God"), Chukwuemeka ("God has been very kind"), Kenechukwu ("thank God"), Ngozichukwu ("blessing of God"), Chukwumailo ("God knows my enemies"), and Chukwujioke ("God is the sharer").

Chukwu is seen as a powerful, munificent God, the one who holds the knife and the yam and provides people with wealth, rain, and children, and who is merciful toward rich and poor, male and female, child and aged. Every morning the father of the family offers prayers to the supreme being. Chukwu does not intervene in the minor details of human existence, however; such matters he leaves to the spirits and ancestors, who are often described as his messengers.

The spirits (alusi) are powerful beings who inhabit the three dimensions of space—sky, earth (land and water), and ancestral world. There are several categories of spirits. Powerful sky deities manifest through thunder, lightning, sun, and moon; nature spirits inhabit rocks, hills, caves, trees, and land or farms. The guardian spirit of the earth is Ani/Ala, the earth mother. There is also a spirit associated with each day of the Igbo four-day week: Eke, Orie, Afor, and Nkwo. Patron spirits serve as guardians of hunters, farmers, fishermen, medicine men, and other professional guilds; the matron spirit is called Nne Miri or Mami Wata. Marine spirits inhabit rivers and streams. Human spirits, called chi, determine each individual's destiny. Spirit forces energize medicine that individuals can conjure and deploy for strength, protection, or to harm enemies. Ancestral spirits are the living dead who inhabit the spirit world but are involved in the lives of progenies in the human world. During festivals, they visit the human world as guests in form of masquerades. Evil spirits live in both human and spirit worlds. Only those who lived honest lives, did not die from inexplicable diseases, and had full burial rites can be ancestors or reincarnate. The spirits of evil people wander as akalogolu who appear on lonely farm roads to frighten people. Among the most dreaded evil spirits are ogbanje— spirits who manifest as children, covenanted to return to the marine world after a brief sojourn among human families. Their mission is to participate exuberantly in life events, tantalizing parents with their excessive beauty, friendliness, joy of living, and precocious habits. Near the appointed time of return, they develop unusual illnesses and die very suddenly. Ogbanje spirits tend to possess females. Parents consult dibia afa (divining healers, as opposed to dibia ogwu, who are adept with herbs), make sacrifices to marine spirits, and use facial scarifications on the children to discourage their return to the human world. Body marks at birth may betray an ogbanje child (modern medicine suspects sickle cell anemia).

Benevolent spirits have shrines, priests, and religious festivals as part of their worship. The wicked spirits receive no regular cultic activity except the occasional offering made with the left hand as the supplicant asks to be left alone. Major ancestors have statues, which recall their spiritual power, located at a family shrine. Before drinking palm wine, the Igbo pour out a few drops in honor of the ancestors. The ancestors are believed to help the living reap a good harvest, have many children, and protect the family from misfortunes. Ancestors may also be reincarnated among the children of their descendants.

Acts of religious worship permeate daily life and are often conducted on behalf of family or village groups. A father's morning prayer to Chukwu is offered on behalf of his entire family. Individuals invoke the name of a spirit or even that of Chukwu when they sense danger, have cause to rejoice, when they sneeze, or when they approach a spirit's shrine. Prayers also accompany ritual sacrifice. They are offered to God, the spirits, and the ancestors, and can be prayers of petition, praise, or thanksgiving. The Igbo perceive time as cyclical, from birth to death and reincarnation. Rites of passage are celebrated: naming ceremonies, puberty rites, marriage rites, membership in secret and open societies, adult roles in communal governance, and funerary rites. Both the poor, ogbenye, and the rich, ogalanya, are judged after this life by their honest commitment to communal values.

Sacrifice is central in Igbo religious life. Sacrifices are offered for the expiation of sins, for protection from misfortune, to petition for assistance, and to offer thanks. Most are offered to spirits and ancestors, but in certain cases sacrifices of white chickens are offered directly to Chukwu. Sacrifices at family shrines are performed by the senior man of the family. Each spirit has its own priests who perform sacrifices at the shrine. Offerings include eggs, chickens, fruits, goats, cows, and (in a few rare cases of community sacrifices) human beings. Sometimes the victim—animal or human—is offered to a spirit and a little of its blood is shed as a sign of an offering, but the victim is allowed to live as a devotee who is consecrated to the spirit. Human sacrifices are sometimes connected with adjudication of disputes at oracular shrines. Oracles are graded according to purview. The three with the widest geographical patronage that extended beyond Igboland were Ogbunorie, Igwe-ka-Ala, and Ibin Ukpabi. The last acquired notoriety because the Arochukwu, who served as middlemen in the transatlantic slave trade manipulated the oracle by soaking the stream near the ravine that housed the oracle with red ochre wood and declaring that Ibin Ukpabi had eaten the guilty party in the arbitration. Meanwhile, they sneaked the hapless victim through the forest to a waiting slave boat. The colonial government conducted a raid on the Arochukwu community between 1901 and 1902, but could not wipe out the oracle. They followed this with four other four raids between 1912 and 1925 against the oracle, still to no avail.

Healing is central to Igbo religion. Ndi dibia ogwu (herbalists) employ a variety of techniques to discern the spiritual cause of a particular malady or misfortune: a violation of taboos/prohibitions, moral failure, an offense against a spirit, or a bad personal fate (chi). A spirit, agwu, possesses the herbalist after he recites incantations, and it identifies the herb and the location in the forest for the cure.

Social control models include socialization into acceptable values (omenali), restriction through satires and peer joking relationships, punishment for those who flout the salient values, and reward for those who uphold them. Each control is legitimized with religion. For instance, theft from a farm threatens the food security of the community, so the elders invoke the spirits of Ahiajioku (the god of the yam who also guards farms), Ani/Ala (the earth mother), or ancestors to detect and punish the thief. The earth spirit and ancestors serve as guardians of morality. The most serious crimes are abominations committed against the earth spirit, such as patricide, suicide, incest, theft of crops or livestock, giving birth to twins, and killing sacred animals. Itinerant priests from Nri conduct the expiation of such abominations. Ndigbo employ covenants with the gods of their fathers to preserve social order, enhance the well-being of individuals and communities, and preserve the highest values, nka na nzere —long life and prosperity. They sacralize the whole of life.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@Yatunde Lisa

All they do is lie and make excuses, especially lioness. You can give him/her evidence that grass is green and they will try to convince you that is not the case.

He/she is still trying to argue about the rabbinical ruling and attacking it's validity when I've already linked (in the OP) the organization's website, the document, as well as a video of the president rabbi of that orgnization himself explaining the ruling.

I bet he/she won't reach out to him and complain about the ruling because he/she is a troll and knows the rabbi will laugh and dismiss them.

Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

"Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites (Obadyah Alliance)":

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867817/
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

All they do is lie and make excuses, especially lioness. You can give him/her evidence that grass is green and they will try to convince you that is not the case.

He/she is still trying to argue about the rabbinical ruling and attacking it's validity when I've already linked (in the OP) the organization's website, the document, as well as a video of the president rabbi of that orgnization himself explaining the ruling.

I bet he/she won't reach out to him and complain about the ruling because he/she is a troll and knows the rabbi will laugh and dismiss them.

Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

"Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites (Obadyah Alliance)":

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazarah:
[qb] [b] @Yatunde Lisa

All they do is lie and make excuses, especially lioness. You can give him/her evidence that grass is green and they will try to convince you that is not the case.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

All they do is lie and make excuses, especially lioness. You can give him/her evidence that grass is green and they will try to convince you that is not the case.

He/she is still trying to argue about the rabbinical ruling and attacking it's validity when I've already linked (in the OP) the organization's website, the document, as well as a video of the president rabbi of that orgnization himself explaining the ruling.

I bet he/she won't reach out to him and complain about the ruling because he/she is a troll and knows the rabbi will laugh and dismiss them.

Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

"Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites (Obadyah Alliance)":

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, [/b] talking about the ruling:

"Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites (Obadyah Alliance)":

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ [/b]

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Did you contact the rabbi to complain about his rabbinical beit din rulling of the Igbo people being Israelites? What did he say?

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

All they do is lie and make excuses, especially lioness. You can give him/her evidence that grass is green and they will try to convince you that is not the case.

He/she is still trying to argue about the rabbinical ruling and attacking it's validity when I've already linked (in the OP) the organization's website, the document, as well as a video of the president rabbi of that orgnization himself explaining the ruling.

I bet he/she won't reach out to him and complain about the ruling because he/she is a troll and knows the rabbi will laugh and dismiss them.

Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

"Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites (Obadyah Alliance)":

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Here is the Rabbi's facebook page, he responds to all messages and I am in direct contact with him. Voice your concerns and then come back to let us know what he says okay?

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Go to the Obadyah Alliance website

https://obadyah.com/

They don't even have any announcement about a ruling on Ibgos

Igbos are not even mentioned on the site !!!

all there is this letter floating around elsewhere and a video by DeMota



The Obadyah Alliance is hardly even repping this




^^ no mention that this is a "court" and typically a Rabbinical court has 3 rabbis, here 2 are listed
and does not include DeMota
Those 5 people are the whole Obadyah Alliance plus one more, total 6 (see map). They all live in different countries from one another except two who live in far apart U.S. locations

and this letter "document" not even on their website

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is the Rabbi's facebook page

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Why are you are calling him a "Rabbi" ??

In the above letter heading he doesn't even call himself a Rabbi

and if you go to his website
he doesn't call himself a Rabbi there either !!

https://obadyah.com

you see the bios of him and his team
(see "team" tab)

there are two other men who are described as Rabbis, those same two but not him

_______________________________

and the vast majority of Igbo are Christians
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Don't you ever get tired of telling lies and pushing false information? We all see through you and I'm sure any future viewers will be able to see through you as well. Your poor research skills are becoming increasingly obvious.

Here is a a letter of endorsement written by Tudor Parfitt for Rabbi Yehonatan De Mota. Parfitt used to teach him.

The letter can be found ON THE OBADYAH WEBSITE and in the letter, Tudor Parfitt addresses Yehonatan as RABBI -- because he is in fact a rabbi.

https://obadyah.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Letter-of-recognition-for-Yehonatan-Elazar-DeMota.pdf


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Now are you going to cry and complain to the Rabbi about the ruling of Igbo people being Israelites in the rabbinical courts? Here is his facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

Now go complain to him; tell him that he is not a real rabbi and that the beit din ruling of his organization in the rabbinical courts is not vailid simply because "the lioness" on egypt search is triggered and does not want to accept it.

Then, please come back and let us know what he says.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

(2019)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GGixlXOr8

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Don't you ever get tired of telling lies and pushing false information? We all see through you and I'm sure any future viewers will be able to see through you as well. Your poor research skills are becoming increasingly obvious.

Here is a a letter of endorsement written by Tudor Parfitt for Rabbi Yehonatan De Mota. Parfitt used to teach him.

The letter can be found ON THE OBADYAH WEBSITE and in the letter, Tudor Parfitt addresses Yehonatan as RABBI -- because he is in fact a rabbi.

https://obadyah.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Letter-of-recognition-for-Yehonatan-Elazar-DeMota.pdf

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] [b] @the lioness

It's been established that Yehonatan De Mota is a rabbi. It does not matter what he calls himself. Parfitt also endorses his work. Ancient Israelite remains have never been examined and no ancient Israelite DNA has ever been sequenced, the "cohen haplotype" is nonsense.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288118/

yes, but according to you Tudor Parfitt is a promoter of nonsense and not even Jewish himself

I'm sorry you will need some other source saying that Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota is a Rabbi
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

His linkedin profile says he is a rabbi. Easily accessible information available to anyone with a working internet connection. But like I said -- you have poor research skills and only exist to push false narratives.



You are a troll who lies and is triggered by truth. Nothing needs to be proven to you. Parfitt's personal opinion on genetics has nothing to do with De Mota's status as a rabbi.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
You know what's funny?
Zion Lexx posts Demota's video saying the same thing as this thread "Sephardic Beit Din rules that the Igbo of Nigeria are Israelites"

yet at the same time Zion Lexx argues that Israel is the people transported in ships as described in Deuteronomy 28:68

again, things that don't fit together, Igbos remaining in Nigeria are not those particular Igbos (and other tribes) taken as slaves
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


His linkedin profile says

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people write that themselves
Show us a JEWISH source OR

OR something official of some kind that says he's a Rabbi
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

What's funny is how often you change the subject, especially when you get debunked on a certain topic. It's also funny how you attack a position that you do not understand.

The Igbo were one of the main groups targeted during the transatlantic slave trade. The curses of Deuteronomy 28 simply identify the population that is being affected.

I think I'm about to stop responding now. This is beyond ridiculous.


 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

You're nothing but a triggered troll, looking for new ways to reject undeniable facts. I don't deal with goal post movers. Goodbye.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Tazarah, as per this thread I hope you're Igbo
if not you better hang it up.
Igbos only, otherwise you're gentile
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

You're nothing but a triggered troll, looking for new ways to reject undeniable facts. I don't deal with goal post movers. Goodbye.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Now are you going to cry and complain to the Rabbi about the ruling of Igbo people being Israelites in the rabbinical courts? Here is his facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

Now go complain to him; tell him that he is not a real rabbi and that the beit din ruling of his organization in the rabbinical courts is not vailid simply because "the lioness" on egypt search is triggered and does not want to accept it.

Then, please come back and let us know what he says.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Now are you going to cry and complain to the Rabbi about the ruling of Igbo people being Israelites in the rabbinical courts? Here is his facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

Now go complain to him; tell him that he is not a real rabbi and that the beit din ruling of his organization in the rabbinical courts is not vailid simply because "the lioness" on egypt search is triggered and does not want to accept it.

Then, please come back and let us know what he says.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Now the troll is trying to separate the Igbo from other "west africans", when before, he/she would lump all "west africans" together as a monolith. LOL this truth hurts the trolls so much. I love it. I love watching them try to cope.

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Igbo_Culture_and_the_Christian_Missions/EuvtjMVuy-IC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hebrew

page 4
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Now are you going to cry and complain to the Rabbi about the ruling of Igbo people being Israelites in the rabbinical courts? Here is his facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

Now go complain to him; tell him that he is not a real rabbi and that the beit din ruling of his organization in the rabbinical courts is not vailid simply because "the lioness" on egypt search is triggered and does not want to accept it.

Then, please come back and let us know what he says.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Now the troll is trying to separate the Igbo from other "west africans", when before, he/she would lump all "west africans" together as a monolith. LOL this truth hurts the trolls so much. I love it. I love watching them try to cope.

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quote:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Go to the Obadyah Alliance website

https://obadyah.com/

^^ no mention that this is a "court" and typically a Rabbinical court has 3 rabbis, here 2 are listed

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tukuler:


I sincerely doubt the Vilna Gaon (1700's) corresponded with
any in inner Africa.

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I don't understand the context of what you are talking about here
Do you believe Igbos are descendants of Israelites?


_________________________________________________________________


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

and the 3 more pages at the link

It reads to me like an historical essay on Nigerian Igbos and the legal history of the Jewish status

Is there a court ruling in the text?
I don't see one, can you quote in this document
where the dayan listed at the top are making a ruling?

quote:

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Originally posted by Tukuler:


Mizrahhi sephardi rulings are not binding on Mughrebi sepharadiym (and vice versa).
Sepharade rulings are not binding on Ashkenazis (and vice versa).
Orthodox mitnagid rulings are not binding on hasidim (and vice versa).
Lubavitcher hasidic rulings are not binding on Breslau hasidim (and vice versa)
Etc.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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(4:25) "This ruling has all of the halachic weight as any ruling from any beth din around the world, whether it is the RCA, whether it is beth din in Canada, or beth din in South America, or even a beth din issued by the chief rabbinate of the state of israel. We know that according to halacha, any ____ or ____ which is etablished by one beth din in one place cannot be enforced upon another community, and vice versa. We also learn in halacha that any ruling which is made by one beth din cannot be annulled or canceled by another beth din."

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quote:

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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

Obadyah Alliance

Genetic studies of the y-chromosome of Igbo men demonstrate that they originated in the Levant basin, sharing genetic links with Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews alike. While there is yet an exhaustive academic genetic study of the Igbos, the data of
the majority of those who have reported their autosomal and y-chromosome DNA, supports that
their ancestors migrated from the Levant Basin into East Africa, and then settled in West Africa.

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And Igbos aren't even West Africans originally.
If you don't have the right genetic markers that the Igbos have you are not an Israelite
Obviously indigenous West Africans are indigenous West Africans, not immigrants from the Levant
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Keep crying, your tears are so delicious. Igbo people are E1b1a and share the same DNA as the vast majority of other "west africans" and "african americans", and descendants of the transatlantic slave trade. Keep crying, your tears are so delicious and satisfying.


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] [b] @the lioness

. Igbo people are E1b1a and share the same DNA as the vast majority of other "west africans" and "african americans", and descendants of the transatlantic slave trade.

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quote:

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Obadyah Alliance

Genetic studies of the y-chromosome of Igbo men demonstrate that they originated in the Levant basin.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Keep crying, your tears are so delicious. Igbo people are E1b1a and share the same DNA as the vast majority of other "west africans" and "african americans", and descendants of the transatlantic slave trade. Keep crying, your tears are so delicious and satisfying.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

You just quoted Obadyah saying that the Igbo y-dna links them to the Levant. LOL. And according to the Torah/Tanakh, lineage/pedigree is determined through the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59).

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Earlier in the thread you were arguing that J is levantine/Jew. But even arabs and other groups of people have J. I guess they're all Jews too now huh? You're a hypocrite and you never fail to make yourself look like a 🤡

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I don't argue haplogroup J = Jew, that was Tudor Parfitt trying to show Lemba are Jews

my argument is that people who follow Jewish traditions are Jews. I don't believe in this stupid bloodline stuff.

Even Albert Einstein, Nicholas Cage, Hitler and 20% of Arabs in Israel
are of haplogroup E

So are they all Jews?


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Now you're lying. You can be seen arguing that J is the haplogroup of Jews multiple times in this thread. Yawn
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] @the lioness

Now you're lying. You can be seen arguing that J is the haplogroup of Jews multiple times in this thread. Yawn

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:


Here is a short video of the president of the organization (a black Sephardic Jew), Dr. Hakham Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota ס״ט, who is a rabbi, talking about the ruling:

https://youtu.be/XYz3XrbB2tQ

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Now are you going to cry and complain to the Rabbi about the ruling of Igbo people being Israelites in the rabbinical courts? Here is his facebook page:

https://m.facebook.com/Yehonat%C3%A1n-Elazar-DeMota-419826118175012/

Now go complain to him; tell him that he is not a real rabbi and that the beit din ruling of his organization in the rabbinical courts is not vailid simply because "the lioness" on egypt search is triggered and does not want to accept it.

Then, please come back and let us know what he says.

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quote:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] @the lioness

Now you're lying. You can be seen arguing that J is the haplogroup of Jews multiple times in this thread. Yawn

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I don't argue that

My argument is that it is not known exactly when Hebrew language and culture starts.
It is not known if it started before or after haplogroup J carriers came into the Levant

Semitic language is something that existed before Hebrew culture

You will find no quote of me saying haplogroup J = Jews

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J's are Hurrians from the Caucus they spoke Indo Aryan languages ... Hebrew is semetic afroasiatic.. The J's adopted that language and culture Bronze Age...


PERIODT..


The Hurrians (/ˈhʊəriənz/; cuneiform: 𒄷𒌨𒊑; transliteration: Ḫu-ur-ri; also called Hari, Khurrites, Hourri, Churri, Hurri or Hurriter) were a people of the Bronze Age Near East. They spoke a Hurro-Urartian language called Hurrian and lived in Anatolia, Syria and Northern Mesopotamia. The largest and most influential Hurrian nation was the kingdom of Mitanni, its ruling class perhaps being Indo-Iranian speakers. The population of the Indo-European-speaking Hittite Empire in Anatolia included a large population of Hurrians, and there is significant Hurrian influence in Hittite mythology. By the Early Iron Age, the Hurrians had been assimilated with other peoples. Their remnants were subdued by a related people that formed the state of Urartu. The present-day Armenians are an amalgam of the Indo-European groups with the Hurrians and Urartians.

The Hurrian language is closely related to the Urartian language, the language of the ancient kingdom of Urartu. Together they form the Hurro-Urartian language family. The external connections of the Hurro-Urartian languages are disputed. There exist various proposals for a genetic relationship to other language families (e.g. the Northeast Caucasian languages), but none of these are generally accepted.[2]

From the 21st century BC to the late 18th century BC, Assyria controlled colonies in Anatolia, and the Hurrians, like the Hattians or Lullubis, adopted the Assyrian Akkadian cuneiform script for their own language about 2000 BC. Texts in the Hurrian language in cuneiform have been found at Hattusa, Ugarit (Ras Shamra), as well as in one of the longest of the Amarna letters, written by King Tushratta of Mitanni to Pharaoh Amenhotep III. It was the only long Hurrian text known until a multi-tablet collection of literature in Hurrian with a Hittite translation was discovered at Hattusa in 1983.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9


Haplogroup T is found at high levels in isolated pockets as far apart as Central Asia, Northeast and Eastern India, Northern Asia, North-Central Africa (Chad) and South Africa. The clade is dominant majority amongst Dir and Isaaq clan Somalis in North Somaliland;[6] among Kurru, Bauris and Lodha in South Asia; among Toubou in Chad; and in a significant minority of Rajus and Mahli in South Asia; general Somalis, southern Egyptians and Fula (Fulbe) in north Cameroon; people from the Chian, Aquilani, Saccensi, Ibizan (Eivissenc) and Mirandese regions in Europe; Zoroastrians, Bakhtiaris in the Middle East, and Nenets and Kazakhs (especially Momyns and Argyns) in Siberia/Central Asia.[citation needed]

The maximal worldwide frequency for haplogroup T-M184 is observed among Somalis in the Dire Dawa area[7] and Djibouti,[6] where it accounts for approximately 82% of the Somali male lineages[7] to 100% of the Somali Dir male lineages, respectively.

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Sephardic and Ashkenazi traditions however are matrilineal, also take note of the variety mitochondrial listed above, as opposed to the Y DNA, the mitochondrial DNA is not homogenous

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Plot twist
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323359/
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 


Sephardic Rabbinate says: Igbos are Israelites

https://youtu.be/FYnw6ZbbrgE
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Tazarah please give credit where credit is due

the source of the video is

IGBO AREA TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQgsNtMyvs

feb 15

also see the comments section, Igbos commenting
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

All I see in the comment section of the video are Igbos confirming the fact that they are indeed Israelites and have long known this information for themselves.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

All I see in the comment section of the video are Igbos confirming the fact that they are indeed Israelites and have long known this information for themselves.

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my point is the video is from IGBO AREA TV not Zion Lexx
and Igbos are commenting in detailed remarks there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQgsNtMyvs
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Kudos to you for finding the original video. Would you like a cookie?
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvav4eG7xh8

Remy Ilona & Zion Lexx: Igbo DNA has been found in the Sumerian gene pool.
2020



Remy Ilona 2020

https://www.amazon.com/Igbo-Abrahams-DNA-Remy-Ilona-ebook/dp/B08JJKT8VG/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

video 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73s9ReCKGKM

Nz'r Remy Ilona gives you updates about Igbos and 'Israelite DNA'
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Forward article, 2017

‘Irresponsible’ Jewish DNA Test Sparks Backlash In Nigeria

https://forward.com/news/380398/irresponsible-jewish-dna-test-sparks-backlash-in-nigeria/
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/igbo-dna-israelite-dna/

Igbo DNA, Israelite DNA
THE BLOGS
Remy Ilona

I had my DNA analysed in 2017. I used the services of the company called MyHeritage. When the reading arrived, they had what I knew they would have: clear evidence that Igbos once lived in the Land of Israel. It also confirmed another thought I had cultivated: that the reading of DNA results is even more critically important than the raw results. This is because my result was clearly not well explained by my testing company, because it lacked information. The raw data shows that I have 5.9% Eastern African DNA, 1.2% Middle eastern DNA, and 92.9% Nigerian DNA.

This result is not clear, albeit not because of a deliberate action of the company, but because the company’s officials did not use sufficient and adequate information to explain their findings. I will get back to this later. When I talked with the representative of MyHeritage, my testing company, he suspected that my Middle Eastern DNA may have something to do with Arab penetration of what became West Africa.

I maintained silence about the Igbo, and the Israelite connection of the Igbos.

Towards the end of our conversation he let out that he had heard that an ethnic group in the area (of what became West Africa: the Ibo, is Jewish.)

I merely grunted.

Another important thing that he mentioned was that he felt that more of the Nigerian quantity would be Middle Eastern too. Why did he think about this? He knew that my raw result gave only the sketchiest hint of my genetic background and migrations: because of where I came from: sub-Saharan Africa. But more I cannot say he knew.

Well, if the same methods used to report the results of many Ashkenazi and Sefardic Jews are used to report mine, my Middle Eastern would read Igbo-Jewish 92.0% if not 94.1% What my result says, but which was left unsaid is the following: Many thousands Israelites, my ancestors, left Israel, and moved southwards, to what became West Africa thousands of years ago.

In the period they traveled there were no West Africa, North Africa, and Middle East as we know them today. Just tracts of territory, which in many areas were likely not inhabited. And even very likely, in places they were inhabited travelers necessarily did not have to pass through ‘custom’ and ‘immigration’ checks, that would have kept records of who was who, and where he or she came from.

So how do we know who traveled from the Near East to what became West Africa? We know who did, because he left traces, (DNA), which ballooned and expanded where he settled. Definitive proof that Igbos were in the Near East is clear in the result, and that many Israelites traveled with my ancestors down to what became Nigeria reflects in the “Nigerian percentage.” There are at least 35 million Israelites who are now known as Igbos, to the less than 1 million Israelites who didn’t leave the Near East, whose DNA shows in the Middle Eastern percentage.
My DNA results from MyHeritage, for you to see what I mean >>

My Hetitage DNA -Remy Ilona

Culled from The Igbos and Jews-An Inter-cultural Study of Israelites. Remy Ilona is the author of the forthcoming book.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


Taz, do they charge a fee for this ?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Ask them. I wouldn't know, I'm not the type of person who is interested in being validated by someone else
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
are you kidding, this whole thread is about people being validated by other people
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

No it's not. It's about non-"BHI" people admitting what Israelites have been teaching for decades. Now, haters like yourself have no excuse because the people who you consider to the authority have admit what we have been saying for all this time. You completely missed the point, or you're just trolling as usual.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Biggest BHI groups don't accept Africans
, the UPK and GMS etc, say only the ones who are of trans-Atlantic slave ancestry, Africans are not on their 12 tribes chart and they define "Negroes" as blacks of the Americas, not Africans
Who are some of the BHI groups that are accepting Africans?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

That's not true. Plenty Israelite organizations acknowledge the fact that a lot of Israelites are still on the continent. For examplec IUIC -- the largest organization, has schools in africa and even goes on missions to different african countries to spread the word and the truth. They've been to Uganda, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, etc. The Hamitic africans are the africans that are not accepted.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

That's not true. Plenty Israelite organizations acknowledge the fact that a lot of Israelites are still on the continent. For examplec IUIC -- the largest organization, has schools in africa and even goes on missions to different african countries to spread the word and the truth. They've been to Uganda, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, etc. The Hamitic africans are the africans that are not accepted.

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yet the IUIC like other BHI group does not include any African group as one of the 12 tribes on their chart

although in smaller print on the bottom they say
"scattered throughout Africa and abroad"
If they are in Africa then why don't they even get
to be on tribes list? Did they run out tribes past
12 so they couldn't include Igbos or one single tribe in Africa?

Also Brazil received over four times as many slaves as any other destination in the Americas.
Why aren't they on the chart? They are not Asher since that says "Incas"
Nathanyel needs to re-do this
Judah should be West African
and that would include AAs
instead the word "American" is used as if that is a separate tribe. That's because it's all offshoots of One West
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Africa isn't on the chart because everyone knows the Israelites were taken from africa in the first place. All the time, IUIC clarifies that the chart is only a guide that is supposed to deal with the western hemisphere of the world.

IUIC EVEN HAS SCHOOLS IN BRAZIL, JUST LIKE IN THE USA AND IN AFRICA.

"Colombia to Uruguay" LITERALLY includes Brazil and IUIC has PLENTY content concerning Brazilians being the tribe of Asher.

Here are just a few videos:





You're so busy always trying to troll and attack things you don't understand, you always just end up making yourself look silly and incompetent.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


^^ No West Africans in Africa listed as a tribe

Igbos not showing as a tribe

wtf ???

Also Sephardi are Spanish or Portuguese Jews, Europeans and who according to the Israel United in Christ are fake Jews and they are defiantly not on this 12 tribes chart.
Therefore what a Sephardic Jewish Rabbinical Court has no authority or weight in their view
The Obadyah Alliance whose mission is Mission
"to create an alliance that will speak in favor of the Spanish & Portuguese Jews around the world" is meaningless and fake to BHI.
It is these very Portuguese and Spanish who were the slave masters
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

I literally just told you that the 12 tribes chart is only meant to be a guide that deals with the WESTERN HEMISPHERE of the world. Not an exhaustive list.

IUIC has done plenty of lessons on black sephardic Jews in Spain and Portugal. As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.



Keep crying and complaining about the chart, even though it's already been explained to you. I'm beginning to think you have mental issues. Always trying to beat a dead horse when you've already been proven wrong.

IUIC content concerning Igbo people:






 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
The IUIC is talking a bunch of contradictory nonsense
If they were keeping it real Igbos and all West Africans would have a place as one of the 12 tribes on the chart.
They are just trying to talk out both corners of their mouth at once, it's bullshit
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Projection, much? It isn't hard to understand at all. I've explained everything (including the chart) several times. I've even posted big shiny pictures to go along with the words I've typed. The only "contradictory nonsense" and "bullshit" here is you and everything you spew on a 24/7 basis.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


This is dumb, the largest amount of African slaves imported to the Americas was to Brazil and they have nothing to do with Incas

And they don't have a picture of black Brazilians on this instead an Amazonian and the native Brazilians were not Incas!
The center of the empire was in Peru and not extending to Brazil

The reason that are not putting a photo of a Black Brazilian there and saying "Inca"
because that means Black Brazilians would be as much Judah as "American Blacks" and they want the top spot for themselves
-and black Brazilians are not pictured at all, not to mention that they have African DNA not indigenous Brazil DNA

that's why in each of these graphics they put "Incas"
that is so members of the IUIC know what they are not repping black Brazilians on the inside

Yes I understand the politics
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

Once again; attacking something you do not understand. IUIC and other organizations teach that the 10 northern kingdom tribes (which would include Asher) traveled to the americas on their own persuant to 2 Esdras 13:40-.

They also teach that Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america with some still on the african continent. That's why Judah says american negroes, because that's where we were taken by and large.

I DARE you to prove that all the slaves brought to brazil were from the same tribe (Judah).

And as I've already stated: the Israelite organizations clarify that the chart is NOT MEANT TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF THE EXACT LOCATION OF EACH AND EVERY TRIBE. It's just a guide, for the western hemisphere.

I'm done repeating myself, you always find something new to cry and complain about when in reality there's nothing wrong with any of the information -- you're just a TROLL.

...JUST ADMIT YOU DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT NON-WHITE/EUROPEAN ARE IDENTIFYING AS ISRAEL... OK?

Now it's the Sabbath, I'm not going to waste anymore time entertaining your nonsense.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Future viewers: Pay attention to how not every Israelite tribe in west africa was the tribe of Judah. Nor do any Israelite organizations teach that Judah was the only tribe in west africa. Lioness is a TROLL.



Map on page 257:

"The Lost Tribes a Myth" by Allen Howard Godbey (1930) Duke University Press
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
********* "The Caribbean and South America received 95 percent of the slaves arriving in the Americas." *********

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Once again; attacking something you do not understand. IUIC and other organizations teach that the 10 northern kingdom tribes (which would include Asher) traveled to the americas on their own persuant to 2 Esdras 13:40-.

They also teach that Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america.

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MOST OF JUDAH IS IN BRAZIL
During the Atlantic slave trade era, Brazil imported more enslaved Africans than any other country. An estimated 4.9 million enslaved people from Africa were imported to Brazil during the period from 1501 to 1866.

The only reason that the IUIC is not putting Brazilians as Judah is because they are founded by Nathaniel Ray of the Bronx and Americans want to run the movement, that is bs and you know it

and again, no Igbos or any African group is on the chart, yet they put in Mexicans !


^^ NO AFRICANS AS A TRIBE THE LIST !!
WHY ?
WHERE ARE THE IGBOS OR ANY SPECIFIC GROUP OF AFRICANS?

YET ALL AMERICAN BLACKS ARE JUDAH ??

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE !!!
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Once again; attacking something you do not understand. IUIC and other organizations teach that the 10 northern kingdom tribes (which would include Asher) traveled to the americas on their own persuant to 2 Esdras 13:40-.

They also teach that Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america with some still on the african continent. That's why Judah says american negroes, because that's where we were taken by and large.

I DARE you to prove that all the slaves brought to brazil were from the same tribe (Judah).

And as I've already stated: the Israelite organizations clarify that the chart is NOT MEANT TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF THE EXACT LOCATION OF EACH AND EVERY TRIBE. It's just a guide, for the western hemisphere.

I'm done repeating myself, you always find something new to cry and complain about when in reality there's nothing wrong with any of the information -- you're just a TROLL.

...JUST ADMIT YOU DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT NON-WHITE/EUROPEAN ARE IDENTIFYING AS ISRAEL... OK?

Now it's the Sabbath, I'm not going to waste anymore time entertaining your nonsense.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Future viewers: Pay attention to how not every Israelite tribe in west africa was the tribe of Judah. Nor do any Israelite organizations teach that Judah was the only tribe in west africa. Lioness is a TROLL.



Map on page 257:

"The Lost Tribes a Myth" by Allen Howard Godbey (1930) Duke University Press

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness
IUIC and other organizations teach...

Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:




Map on page 257:

"The Lost Tribes a Myth" by Allen Howard Godbey (1930) Duke University Press

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WHY BOTHER POSTING THIS MAP ???

YOU ARE JUST EXPOSING HOW THE IUIC

HAS PURPOSELY LEFT OUT ANY AFRICAN TRIBE FROM BEING
ONE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL

SHAME !
.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
*********I want everyone to pay attention to how the OP is dealing with the fact that Igbos have been recognized as bloodline Israelites by a sephardic rabbinate beit din ruling.

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Come in Sephardi are not even on the 12 tribes chart !!

Accordingly they are not Israelites and rulings they make are null and void !!!

BHI groups are not going to be accepting this, obviously
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
WHO ARE SEPHARADE JEWS?

In Hebrew Sepharad came to mean Iberia peninsula.
Originally it was a region somewhere in or between
the Caucasus, Anatolia, and the Balkans (please help).

Spain's Israelites wrote to the Holyland for an
order of prayers. The reply was the first siddur
(arranged order of prayers book).

The original Sephardi prayerbook was a Mizrahhi
(Levant/Mesopotamia) production only inspired by
Sephardi Tahor (non-intermarried Spanish&Portuguese
Israelites).


In the Holyland all Israelites and Jews there from
whatever region of the globe fall under two main
divisions, Sephardi or Ashkenazi.

The Sephardic chief rabbi, since the inception
of that office, has never been a Sephardi Tahor
ie a Spanish&Portuguese Israelite rabbi.

The Sephardi chief rabbinate has been held almost
exclusively by Mizrahhi (east of the Mediterranean
Israelites).


Unless otherwise qualified all subsets of Jews
from centuries old communities in Africa and Asia
fall under the Sephardi banner. Each have their
own sidduriym and mahhzaroth (daily&Sabbath
and festival prayer books).

When attending Indian High Holy Day and other
services in NYC the deSola-Pool S&P books were
used although the three main divisions of Indian
Israelites have their own (but none with English
translation).


Image from the Bene Israel (the most 'indigenous' Indian Israelite ethnic group established no later than 175 BCE)
Marathi and Hebrew Passover Haggadah pamphlet published in Mbai India 1846.


Ethiopia's Beta Israel have had no published prayer books
until last decade. From the publisher's blog @ here

quote:

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The Siddur follows the Koren Siddur Sepharadim, which explains the customs and prayer variations of every Sepharadic community from the Middle East and North Africa. (Since most synagogues in Israel are a variation of Nusah Sepharadim,this was the most natural foundation for the Amharic Siddur.)

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First English edition Moroccan prayerbook (Hebrew readers can compare Maroc's two Barukh She'amar variants with the Beta Israel minhaj).



North Africa has had two broad Jewish communities.
Toshabim are the ones from "ancient" settlers.
Megorashim are post-expulsion refugees from Iberia.

Muslim Spain was the 1st World country of its time.
S&P Israelites had gained a reputation for Jewish
scholarship and international communications that
made for them to supercede most Toshabi nusahh
prayer chants and minhaj ritual&custom.


North Africa Jewry (Mughrebiym) and "Mid-East" Jews
are subsets of Israelites who submit to the Rishon
leSion Sephardic Chief Rabbinate, which remember,
has had Mizrahhiym as Chief Rabbi for centuries.

All northern African, Arabian Peninsula, India, and
Ethiopian Israelites fall under the Sepharade Chief
Rabbi should a question or dispute need solution
from higher than internal authority.

The Chief Rabbinate's authority is limited. When
Obadyah Yossef zs"l (Iraqi Jew) was the chief, he
said the Syrians were wrong not to allow converts.
Their response was "We didn't ask you." R' Yossef
promptly apologized since no outsider determines
the minhaj of a community not their own.


Just as the Beta Israel fall under the Sephardi
Chief Rabbinate so do all halakha observant
African Jews but only as far as they themselves
seek answers and solutions from the Chief. Otherwise
they are as autonomous from the Chief as any other Jewry is.

Kulanu aids Inner African Israelites in Jewish recognition and
day to day material aid. Much like Christian missionaries the
aid comes with strings.

Kulanu is part of the 'anti-orthodox' movements and
do not direct would-be converts to orthodox or
Sepharade battei diniym giyyur.
Kulanu desires Africans whether returning or converting
to Judaism to become Reform or Conservative Ashkenazi
nusahh and minhaj Jews despite the fact inner African
contacts were with Mughrebi and Sepharade Tahor Jews
and maybe some Mizrahhiym too.

Nonetheless without Kulanu many Africans (Asians and
South Americans) returning to 'Judaism' would be left
virtually without a friend in the overall Jewish World.
Now this Sepharade Beth Diyn has stepped up for one
segment of inner African Jewry. Afaik, the first step
since Libyan Israelites took in a Nigerian (ethnicity
unknown --many different ethnic groups in Nigeria are
practicing Torah observant Jews. I was the driver for
one sponsored by Kulanu to receive a gift Torah scroll.)


Just as Sephardi Rabbinate vouched for Beta Israel
down through the ages that the Ashkenazi Rabbanite
refused to recognize them, so we see the Israelites
among the Igbo now being championed by a group
of Sepharade rabbis.


Igbo Jews are a subset African Jewry.
African Jews are a subset of Sepharade Jews.
Igbo Jews are subset of Sepharade Jewry.
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
The Jewish Q&A


Question and Answer, She'eiloth uTeshuboth) is the
standard way Jews approach a rabbi or beth diyn for
their ruling.

Generally called Responsa, halakhic rulings by
halakhic authorities are always published as
Question and Answer.

The format goes back to 589 CE roughly 150 years
after the Babylonian Talmud was sealed or redacted.


This example is from a Sepharade Tahor rabbi whose
parents got up from Spain in 1493. Rabbi David ibn
Zimra left Jerusalem for Cairo. There he became Chief Rabbi
of Egypt. Here is the RDB"Z Question and Answer #1290 referring to
the Abyssinian Israelites.






This landmark Responsum/Answer recognizes Beta Israel
as physical descendants of the otherwise unaccounted
for Tribe of Dan. There are no lost tribes. The Lost
Tribes of Israel is a Myth.

https://halakhaoftheday.org/2015/02/23/rabbi-david-ben-zimra-1479-1573-and-the-ethiopian-jews/


Now a Question and Answer from a 17th century Germany
born rabbi. For forty years Rabbi Shmuel Abohab served
as head of Verona Italy's Central Bet Din. From the
Sepher Dvar Shmuel Questions and Answers #369
on an enslaved inner African convert and her son






LENS app 'scans' taken from

Avraham Yaakov Finkel (1990)
The Responsa Anthology
Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson Inc
pp47, 95
 

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Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
 
Full Obadyah Alliance teshuba on the Igbo she'eilah.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf


Noticing the organization's name Obadyah @ https://obadyah.com/
and the member R' Haim Obadia I wondered if he's the same
R' Haim Obadia of Sephardic U and a synagogue in Brooklyn. https://torahveahava.com/about-us/


Anyway the document's signatory and president of the Alliance,
R' deMota, has yore yore and yadin yadin ordination. A hhakham
has access to records most cannot obtain without credentials.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


https://obadyah.com

TEAM, Bios at link
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


text

https://tinyurl.com/mw8kybvu
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map, with enlargeable click

https://arianasiresearch.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/yemen-falasha-beber-moorish-negro-jews-pg-257-2-3.jpg
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

***** The lioness said:

"WHY BOTHER POSTING THIS MAP ???

YOU ARE JUST EXPOSING HOW THE IUIC

HAS PURPOSELY LEFT OUT ANY AFRICAN TRIBE FROM BEING
ONE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL

SHAME !"

***** The lioness also said:

"Come in Sephardi are not even on the 12 tribes chart !!

Accordingly they are not Israelites and rulings they make are null and void !!!

BHI groups are not going to be accepting this, obviously"

*********** Not only are you a troll, but you are also very, very stupid. I have clearly stated multiple times that the 12 tribes chart is only meant to be a guide that deals with people(s) in the 👉🏾WESTERN HEMISPHERE OF THE WORLD.👈🏾

 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
.


LANÇADOS

The lançados (literally, the thrown out ones or the cast out ones) were settlers and adventurers of Portuguese origin in Senegambia, Cabo Verde, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and other areas on the coast of West Africa. Many were Jews—often New Christians—escaping persecution from the Portuguese Inquisition. Lançados often took African wives from local ruling families, securing protection and advantageous trading ties. They established clandestine trading networks in weaponry, spices, and oftentimes enslaved people, which angered the Portuguese Crown by disrupting its ability to collect taxes.

Although never large in numbers, mixed-race children born to the lançados and their African wives and concubines served as crucial intermediaries between Europeans and native Africans. These mixed-race people wielded significant power in the early development of port economies in Bissau, Cacheu, and surrounding areas.

The lançados originated the Portuguese-based creole languages and cultures of Cabo Verde and Guinea-Bissau, and indirectly influenced the Papiamento language.

Origin
At the time of Prince Henry the Navigator's death in 1460, the Portuguese had visited the West African coast from Cabo Verde as far south as the Equator. They were familiar with various points in between such as Sierra Leone and Elmina (the latter in present-day Ghana). Socioeconomic conditions in Portugal led to a growing gentry, creating a lucrative market for enslaved people from Africa. The Portuguese monarchy attempted to hold a total monopoly over the West African slave trade by nominating official intermediaries for that purpose.

In 1479 Portugal and Castile signed the Treaty of Alcáçovas ending the War of the Castilian Succession. During the war Castile had contested the Portuguese slave trade monopoly by threatening Portuguese outposts and unsuccessfully attacking their fleet in the Gulf of Guinea.[2] With their main European rival neutralized, Portugal grew their trade networks and settlements in West Africa essentially unopposed throughout the 15th century. During that century various Portuguese settlers, adventurers, and merchants traveled to the coastal areas and archipelagos of West Africa—particularly Cabo Verde—either voluntarily or by force. Some were merchants or agents of commercial enterprises who "threw themselves" willingly ("lançavam") into contact with African peoples for trading purposes, and often circumvented the Portuguese monarchy's monopolistic taxes.[3] However, the majority of lançados were legally or self-exiled to Africa, including Jews and New Christians escaping the Portuguese Inquisition, and persons called degredados serving out legally-imposed exiles. A very small minority of lançados were not Portuguese, but Spanish, Greek, or Indian.

Lançados would live and trade in coastal areas, either individually or in small groups, and with the knowledge and protection of native Africans. Over time some lançado settlements grew large enough they could impose violence on local peoples without fear of reprisal. They also built their own ships and recruited Africans known as grumetes [pt] to serve as auxiliary soldiers. The lançados were primarily active in the Senegal, Gambia, Casamance, and Guinea valleys; the Cacheu and Geba River regions in current-day Guinea-Bissau; and in the Port Loko region in current-day Sierra Leone, although they lived as far southwest as Elmina. Perhaps their largest settlements were at Buba and Rio Grande de Buba in present-day Guinea-Bissau.

It was uncommon for male lançados to bring Portuguese or other white women with them to Africa. Instead, they took African wives or concubines, fathering Afro-Portuguese children with them. Some individual lançados lived so long with African people that they integrated into local cultures, abandoning their previous Portuguese identities. Sustained contact between the Portuguese and local African peoples established Portuguese—or at least a proto-creole derived from Portuguese—as a West African lingua franca almost as widespread as the native Mande languages.

The coastal lançados constituted a new sociocultural group that spoke Portuguese, dressed in European clothes, and lived in rectangular Portuguese-style houses with whitewashed walls and verandas, but which also adopted local African customs such as tattooing and scarification. Their religious beliefs were likewise a mix of Catholicism, West African Vodun, and ancestor worship. The strong linguistic and familial ties between the lançados, their descendents, and native people resulted in a distinct Luso-African culture that partially persists into the 21st century.

Peak and decline

The number of lançados grew quickly during the first half of the 16th century in response to the persecution of Jews by Portuguese kings Manuel I and João III. The lançados supported and acted as intermediaries for increasing French, English, and Dutch trading along the West African coast from Cabo Verde to Elmina. In order to combat this trade, the Kingdom of Portugal established fortified trading posts called feitorias at strategic points along the Gulf of Guinea coast.

During the Iberian Union—from the late 16th to early 17th centuries—lançados started trading with the Susu and Mandé peoples, who lived relatively far inland. Throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, lançados and their descendants controlled local commerce in the inland regions of Guinea.

As the quantity of white Portuguese migrants declined from the 17th century onward, lançado descendants with mixed European and African blood began outnumbering solely white people. Towards the end of the 17th century these mulattos or mestiços became a sociocultural elite in the wider Afro-Portuguese community, as they outnumbered both white and black people. During this time they also controlled trade with the Biafada people and the Port Loko region.

The lançados declined in importance starting in the 18th century, when the Portuguese monarchy assumed direct colonial control of coastal areas and began negotiating with indigenous rulers to cut out the lançados from their intermediary role in the slave trade.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.


 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

Don't you ever get tired of telling lies and pushing false information? We all see through you and I'm sure any future viewers will be able to see through you as well. Your poor research skills are becoming increasingly obvious.

Here is a a letter of endorsement written by Tudor Parfitt for Rabbi Yehonatan De Mota. Parfitt used to teach him.

The letter can be found ON THE OBADYAH WEBSITE and in the letter, Tudor Parfitt addresses Yehonatan as RABBI -- because he is in fact a rabbi.

https://obadyah.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Letter-of-recognition-for-Yehonatan-Elazar-DeMota.pdf

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Black_Jews_in_Africa_and_the_Americas/QQA4yUMzQzgC?hl=en&gbpv=1
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
I'll do you one better. Parfitt telling your buddy garfield that colonies of black Jews existed in west africa and that they were a direct result of the expulsion of the Jews from spain/portugal.



https://youtu.be/IwC-bb0gJH4
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
You're a legitimate troll who lies, pushes false narratives and is a eurocentric white supremacist. I've no idea why the admins let you run around these forums spamming your pseudo garbage.
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
You're a legitimate troll who lies, pushes false narratives and is a eurocentric white supremacist. I've no idea why the admins let you run around these forums spamming your pseudo garbage.

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Good question
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/223179985.pdf
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
sorry for getting deeper into the details of this scholarship
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

The most recent source you just posted proves my point and supports what I have been saying. No idea if that was your intention, but thanks.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
so now you can be happy
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 
Ibo & Efik tongues abound in Hebraisms




The Lower Niger and its Tribes | Naturehttps://www.nature.com › books received
by L Linsbauer · 1907 — The Lower Niger and its Tribes. By Major Arthur Glyn Leonard. Pp. xxii + 564. (London: Macmillan and Co., Ltd.) Price 12s. 6d.
 

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Posted by Ish Geber (Member # 18264) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness
IUIC and other organizations teach...

Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america

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Most were taken to Brazil NOT North America

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According to Tariq Nasheed and other ABOS (aboriginals) most Blacks (FBA, Foundational Black Americans) in North America already were present in North America and only 3% was deported from Africa to North America. We also know that 1/3 of enslaved Africans was of muslim belief (not sure is this is a general consensus or just for North America). So now we also have sources on Hebrews of African origin, or Black jews as you will. Do you know the percentage of this demographic?
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Moors were known to be Jews, and Jews were known to be Moors. A historical source that links the black Iberian populations of Spain/Portugal to the slaves brought to america:



"Delaware's Forgotten Folk: The Story of the Moors and Nanticokes" by C.A. Weslager, page 4 (2006) University of Pennsylvania Press

https://books.google.com/books?id=nVJgVswn8t4C
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Ish Geber:

quote:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness
IUIC and other organizations teach...

Judah was taken to Brazil and other locations as well, but that Judah is MOSTLY in north america

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Most were taken to Brazil NOT North America

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According to Tariq Nasheed and other ABOS (aboriginals) most Blacks (FBA, Foundational Black Americans) in North America already were present in North America and only 3% was deported from Africa to North America. We also know that 1/3 of enslaved Africans was of muslim belief (not sure is this is a general consensus or just for North America). So now we also have sources on Hebrews of African origin, or Black jews as you will. Do you know the percentage of this demographic?

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Ish you are to smart to fall for that much bullshit

4.5-5 million Africans were taken to Brazil, this is much greater than any other location

but if you look at any of these Black Hebrews' 12 tribes chart they call Judah American blacks

why?



Religion, that's why

See that at the bottom

Deuteronomy - 28:15-68

the key verse is the last one, 28:68:

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Deuteronomy - 28:68

"And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you."

__________________________


^^ According to Black Hebrew Israelites this a prophecy that came to pass during the trans-Atlantic slave trade
They say "Egypt" is metaphor for "the Americas" and the key, "with ships" they say is proof the trans-Atlantic slave trade is being described.
(apparently they do not mention the Arab slave trade because the they assume didn't involve ships)
Some native Americans were enslaved by Europeans
so they are included

However Africans who were not taken to the Americas in ships so they don't get a tribe on the chart,
they are not the chosen who God loves
The rest of humanity God doesn't care about,
according to racist BHI

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Originally posted by Ish Geber:According to Tariq Nasheed and other ABOS (aboriginals) most Blacks (FBA, Foundational Black Americans) in North America already were present in North America and only 3% was deported from Africa to North America

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Originally posted by Ish Geber:

We also know that 1/3 of enslaved Africans was of muslim belief (not sure is this is a general consensus or just for North America).

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Originally posted by Ish Geber:
So now we also have sources on Hebrews of African origin, or Black jews as you will. Do you know the percentage of this demographic?

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Moors were known to be Jews, and Jews were known to be Moors. A historical source that links the black Iberian populations of Spain/Portugal to the slaves brought to america:



"Delaware's Forgotten Folk: The Story of the Moors and Nanticokes" by C.A. Weslager, page 4 (2006) University of Pennsylvania Press

https://books.google.com/books?id=nVJgVswn8t4C

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 Taz, it's seems kind of desperate to keep posting the same posts over and over 

just sayin' 

carry on  

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
Moors were known to be Jews, and Jews were known to be Moors.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
So now the Irish of Ulster were negroes but Loango Jews were not Negro?

these silly old books

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How to tell everyone without telling everyone your don't know sht about history



 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cbc3b40b9da93f7c5126/t/61f35b8ad59d991291cab3fa/1643338634761/Teshubah-on-Igbo-Israelites.pdf

and the 3 more pages at the link

the story came out in some Nigerian media on February 15th

Taz have you noticed any BHI group talking about this statement from the Obadyah Alliance?

So far I've seen nothing
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:

quote:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
So now the Irish of Ulster were negroes but Loango Jews were not Negro?

these silly old books

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How to tell everyone without telling everyone your don't know sht about history

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LOL EXACTLY. Just a miserable troll.
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 

Illustration (detail) from a 1901 article on the scientific study of the measurements and proportions of the human body
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

quote:

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Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:

quote:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
So now the Irish of Ulster were negroes but Loango Jews were not Negro?

these silly old books

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How to tell everyone without telling everyone your don't know sht about history

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LOL EXACTLY. Just a miserable troll.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@Yatunde Lisa

The lioness still does not understand the context of what was being said by the author, or why he mentioned the features of irish people... rofl.

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It is not a stereotype... some scientific racists classified ( Linnaeus) Irish as negroes...
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 


Such depictions must be understood in it´s historical context. In those days racist scientists classified people according to a racial hierarchy which had white westerners at the top and black Africans at the bottom (together with Australian aborigines and some other peoples who were perceived as primitive). This hierarchy also justified colonialism and oppression.

When Henry Strickland-Constable wrote the treatise containing the image above the Irish were also a colonized people, so it was in the interest of the Anglo Saxons to describe them as more negroid, and thus "inferior" than the English.

In the 1800s they had no good idea of DNA or human migrations.

To exactly examine the ancestry of the Irish it is better to use modern archaeological and genetic results than books from the 18th or 19th centuries, written by colonial thinkers.






Irish people in the early 1800s
 

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Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
 
"An Irish Peasant"
Henry Jones Thaddeus - Oil On Canvas - 29 x 21 cm - 1888





Good video to watch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65pCbaRyrqA


Irish/Celtic connections to North-African/Middle-Eastern origins documentary
12,357 views • Mar 17, 2018 • Including many great scenes of folk music including a short section featuring the Master Musicians of ZahJouka / JouJouka / JaJouka




First color photos of Ireland taken by two French women in 1913
Believed to be the first color photos of Ireland ever taken these snapshots of the old life in Ireland, taken in Connemara and the Boyne Valley are astounding.






 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
The author of the book I referenced never referred to irish people as negroes. He simply said that white (caucasian) people can have the same morphological features as so-called black (negroid) people, and vice versa.

The key point being made by the author is that there were black Jews in Portugal, and the skin color of these black Portuguese Jews was the same as what can be seen in the Bicharis people.


 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
The people of old pictures are not unlike the Irish people one can meet today. Except clothes and hairstyles and such things. Among poor people also hard work and periods of hunger would have left its mark. And not everyone were always so polished and clean.



Irish girl painted circa 1575.



Dramatic painting by Irish painter Frederic William Burton. The painting was made 1841




People in Ireland, pictures from 1890, 1914. 1908 and 1915



This man was born during the time when some of the photos above were taken. He was born 1906 and died in 2014, so he became 108 years old.

Seems many in his family obtained old age

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At least a part of the secret to his long life can be found in good genetics — Luke’s older sister Mary Kate lived until she was 106 and his other sisters, Nancy and Nora, lived well into their 90s. His grandfather also lived a long life, passing at the age of 104.

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The author of the book I referenced never referred to irish people as negroes. He simply said that white (caucasian) people can have the same morphological features as so-called black (negroid) people, and vice versa.

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According to phrenology, the Irish race and the African ditto were on the same level below the Anglo-Germanic male race. Irish and blacks were attributed the same prognathic skull shape, low intelligence and animal nature. Anthropologist John Beddoe believed that the Irish race resembled the "Cromagnon race", which in turn resembled the "Africanoid". He placed Irishmen closest to Africans in his "nigrescence index".

Cartoons depicted "fenis", as Irish were called derogatory, as ape like monsters. When newly arrived Irish were looking for housing and work in the UK, they were often met by NINA signs; "No Irish Need Apply". The message was so common that people wrote songs about it. "No blacks, no Irish, no dogs" was written on other signs.

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He simply said that white (caucasian) people can have the same morphological features as so-called black (negroid) people, and vice versa.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The author of the book I referenced never referred to irish people as negroes. He simply said that white (caucasian) people can have the same morphological features as so-called black (negroid) people, and vice versa.

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The pictures of the Irish, Anglo/Teuton and "Negro" is from Henry Strickland Constables Ireland from One or Two Neglected Points of View

But still there was a similar view among many other Englishmen and Anglo Americans about Irish people, they were compared with Black people

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According to phrenology, the Irish race and the African ditto were on the same level below the Anglo-Germanic male race. Irish and blacks were attributed the same prognathic skull shape, low intelligence and animal nature. Anthropologist John Beddoe believed that the Irish race resembled the "Cromagnon race", which in turn resembled the "Africanoid". He placed Irishmen closest to Africans in his "nigrescence index".

Cartoons depicted "fenis", as Irish were called derogatory, as ape like monsters. When newly arrived Irish were looking for housing and work in the UK, they were often met by NINA signs; "No Irish Need Apply". The message was so common that people wrote songs about it. "No blacks, no Irish, no dogs" was written on other signs.

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From a debate article by Helena Brors from 2019 (translated from Swedish)

So one ought to be careful with old sources that have their roots in race biology and racial hierarchies. Better to go by what modern archaeology and anthropology have to say. The old books often presented rather simplified reasonings compared with todays more intricate methodologies.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^ I dont know if you consider some of these men to be white or not but Jews expelled from Spain (you keep forgetting Spain) and Portugal probably looked like these men above and they didn't bring women with them, they intermarried with Africans

the term is LANÇADOS

many were Jews

I first learned of this on Egyptsearch

You don't know anything about this

Let us know when you learn about it
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotyleryx

People like you do not like old books like these because they are very descriptive when it comes to what certain people looked like and they leave no room for equivocation or gaslighting.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

At this point I'm convinced you are brain dead. First of all, I never said ALL of the Jews banished during the inquisition were black. I'm saying the BLACK ones were black. You keep trying to make it seem like these black portuguese Jews were somehow white men or the descendants of white jewish men, yet there are historical sources that say these black portuguese Jews were ALREADY black.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

^^ I dont know if you consider some of these men to be white or not but Jews expelled from Spain (you keep forgetting Spain) and Portugal probably looked like these men above and they didn't bring women with them, they intermarried with Africans

the term is LANÇADOS

many were Jews

I first learned of this on Egyptsearch

You don't know anything about this

Let us know when you learn about it

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
[QB] [b] The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa,
ca, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.

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You are ignorant, you know nothing about the Lançados
Study a little bit before you open your mouth, you know nothing on this topic


"It was uncommon for male lançados to bring Portuguese or other white women with them to Africa. Instead, they took African wives or concubines, fathering Afro-Portuguese children with them. Some individual lançados lived so long with African people that they integrated into local cultures, abandoning their previous Portuguese identities. Sustained contact between the Portuguese and local African peoples established Portuguese—or at least a proto-creole derived from Portuguese—as a West African lingua franca almost as widespread as the native Mande languages.

The coastal lançados constituted a new sociocultural group that spoke Portuguese, dressed in European clothes, and lived in rectangular Portuguese-style houses with whitewashed walls and verandas, but which also adopted local African customs such as tattooing and scarification. Their religious beliefs were likewise a mix of Catholicism, West African Vodun, and ancestor worship. The strong linguistic and familial ties between the lançados, their descendents, and native people resulted in a distinct Luso-African culture that partially persists into the 21st century."

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these Portuguese many of them Jews would have been white, caramel and some darker perhaps like Jews in Yemen

Portugal is in Europe


Jewish scribes depicted in the famous Libro de los juegos (“Book of games”) commissioned by Alfonso X in 1283


Men playing Alquerque, pictured in Libro de los juegos. Date, 1283


A Jew and a Muslim playing chess in 13th century al-Andalus. El Libro de los Juegos, commissioned by Alphonse X of Castile, 13th century. Madrid,

http://iers.grial.eu/modules/spain-and-sicily/spaindex-4.html
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

How dense are you? I'm not talking about the lancados you idiot. You're attacking a strawman argument because you're a troll. NONE of the sources I've referenced say anything about lancados. The sources say the black Jews OF PORTUGAL... not africa.

Not all Jews were lancados, if you weren't pseudo then you would know that. Just shutup already and stop embarrassing yourself.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^^^^^^^^ THE SOURCE ON THE RIGHT SAYS THERE WERE BLACK PORTUGUESE JEWS (IN INDIA, NOT AFRICA) WHO WERE BLACK AND DID NOT INTERMARRY WITH NATIVES. Completely debunks your pseudo white man in african lancado garbage.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
"Moralia in Job of 945" (945 A.D. SPAIN)



From the book "Early Spanish Manuscript Illumination" by John Williams, page 54

Christ in Majesty

"Christ is shown enthroned between two Cherubs, within a great circular firmament suspended from the hands of two Seraphs."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_on_Job_of_945
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotyleryx

People like you do not like old books like these because they are very descriptive when it comes to what certain people looked like and they leave no room for equivocation or gaslighting.

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So only the Jews who were men were banished? What a complete fucking retard, anything to push a false narrative huh?

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

I'm no scholar and never claimed to be. But I do share and post scholastic information, and your only defense against all of it has been to try discrediting it because it's content makes you cry.

Sorry, but I don't take trolls seriously. Especially the ones like you who try to dismiss evidence when it debunks you. I'll speak how I want to, it's obvious I'm dealing with delusional clowns who are triggered by the information I post...

Imagine trying to downplay the findings of archaeology and anthropology simply because the info proves you wrong. Rofl.

That is what we call... COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. [/b] [/QB]

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Well, good that you admit you are no scholar. At least I prefer to read serious scholarly articles about archaeology, history, anthropology and genetics before home made theories based on outdated and sometimes even racist old books.

So far you have not posted any valuable information that can be taken seriously, and you have not debunked anyone, more than in your fantasy.

I challenge you to try to write a serious article and send to a peer reviewed Journal to see if the experts agree with your speculations.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

Jewish scribes depicted in the famous Libro de los juegos (“Book of games”) commissioned by Alfonso X in 1283


Men playing Alquerque, pictured in Libro de los juegos. Date, 1283


A Jew and a Muslim playing chess in 13th century al-Andalus. El Libro de los Juegos, commissioned by Alphonse X of Castile, 13th century. Madrid,

http://iers.grial.eu/modules/spain-and-sicily/spaindex-4.html


^^ Taz wake up this is Spain in the 13th century, Sephardic Jews


this is 200 years before the expulsion


come on son !!
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

Are you still crying and trying to pretend that your eurocentric worldview wasn't already completely debunked and shattered by anthropological/archaeological information? I admit I'm no scholar, but even with that being said, you yourself are nowhere near my level. All you do is deny scholastic information whenever it proves you wrong... which is all the time.

You yourself have not posted a SINGLE source or reference to support any of the silly claims you've made. All you've done is post CGI images of Jesus and blog articles about dead hair.

ROFL. You're nothing but a pseudo, just like the lyiness.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
"Moralia in Job of 945" (945 A.D. SPAIN)



From the book "Early Spanish Manuscript Illumination" by John Williams, page 54

Christ in Majesty

"Christ is shown enthroned between two Cherubs, within a great circular firmament suspended from the hands of two Seraphs."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_on_Job_of_945

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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Originally posted by Tazarah

@archeotypery

Are you still crying and trying to pretend that your eurocentric worldview wasn't already completely debunked and shattered by anthropological/archaeological information? I admit I'm no scholar, but even with that being said, you yourself are nowhere near my level. All you do is deny scholastic information whenever it proves you wrong... which is all the time.

You yourself have not posted a SINGLE source or reference to support any of the silly claims you've made. All you've done is post CGI images of Jesus and blog articles about dead hair.

ROFL. You're nothing but a pseudo, just like the lyiness.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

Are you still crying and trying to pretend that your eurocentric worldview wasn't already completely debunked and shattered by anthropological/archaeological information? I admit I'm no scholar, but even with that being said, you yourself are nowhere near my level. All you do is deny scholastic information whenever it proves you wrong... which is all the time.

You yourself have not posted a SINGLE source or reference to support any of the silly claims you've made. All you've done is post CGI images of Jesus and blog articles about dead hair.

ROFL. You're nothing but a pseudo, just like the lyiness.

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

Daniel Finch, 2nd Earl of Nottingham and 7th Earl of Winchilsea by Jonathan Richardson




Memoirs of the Secret Services of John Macky, Esq.: During the Reigns of King William
1733

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"black" in the 18th century

the text reads:

"a tall thin very black man , like a Spaniard or Jew"

This is what some writers would call "black" at the time, this and darker

This is type expelled from Portugal and Spain

and some of them wound up in Africa mixing with a vastly larger local population

this is not to say there may have been some there
also looking darker Middle Eastern or African but the majority of Portuguese Jews in the 15th century did not look like West African, you are delusional

and you don't understand that "black" then was a lot looser term than it is today

Tazarah you are living in a fantasy land

and you are trapped in a religion that the vast majority of West Africans did not practice
So you can call the white man the devil all day but you and he use the same book

> not traditional West African religion
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Haha, when you have no arguments you post same insults and silliness again and again. What a low brow debate technique,

Obviously You can only throw insults, but you can not post any real substantial evidence of your theories.

I´m sure that if I so posted 1000 pictures of ancient Jews from Israel you would still not accept them because you want them to be black so bad.

So I ask again, where is the well preserved Afro hair from ancient Israel?

And will you try to write an article about your theories and send to any peer reviewed journal? I bet you will never do that since you have nothing of substance to write. You will not get far by calling other debaters names.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@the lioness

LOL @ you for actually thinking that's Baruch Spinoza.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^^^ source on the right says the black portuguese Jews were BLACK AS NEGROES....

Source on the left says the black Jews of Portugal were BLACK LIKE THE BICHARIS PEOPLE...

PHOTO OF BICHARIS PEOPLE:




 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

are you still here crying/complaining and pretending that you weren't already debunked on page 2 of this thread? Remember, when you ran away and said you were "out" after failing to form a legitimate response to the plethora of scholastic information I charged you with?

Rofl. Not only have you failed to realize your defeat, you've also failed to realize the fact that I no longer take you seriously and only see you as a joke. .... Cognitive Dissonance plagues you.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

Are you still crying and trying to pretend that your eurocentric worldview wasn't already completely debunked and shattered by anthropological/archaeological information? I admit I'm no scholar, but even with that being said, you yourself are nowhere near my level. All you do is deny scholastic information whenever it proves you wrong... which is all the time.

You yourself have not posted a SINGLE source or reference to support any of the silly claims you've made. All you've done is post CGI images of Jesus and blog articles about dead hair.

ROFL. You're nothing but a pseudo, just like the lyiness.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@the lioness

LOL @ you for actually thinking that's Baruch Spinoza.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:


Tazarah you are living in a fantasy land

and you are trapped in a religion that the vast majority of West Africans did not practice
So you can call the white man the devil all day but you and he use the same book

not traditional West African religion

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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^^^^^^^^^ Black NEGRO/NEGROID Jews IN SPAIN/PORTUGAL, who were not the descendants of white jewish converts in africa. Lol, this is too easy.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^^^ source on the right says the black portuguese Jews were BLACK AS NEGROES....

Source on the left says the black Jews of Portugal were BLACK LIKE THE BICHARIS PEOPLE...

PHOTO OF BICHARIS PEOPLE:




 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
ahhh, I am currently dealing with two of egypt search's finest... one got slapped so hard in the face with sources back on page 2, that he had to take a break and come back pretending he wasn't already debunked... (as if we forgot)....

And the other can't comprehend what the word/color black constitutes, even when it's put in it's proper context with word by word break downs and high quality color photos.

LOLOLOL!!!
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Archeopteryx:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:


Tazarah you are living in a fantasy land

and you are trapped in a religion that the vast majority of West Africans did not practice
So you can call the white man the devil all day but you and he use the same book

not traditional West African religion

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I cosign. He is trapped in a religion which has no West African deep roots, he cites old racist books and he does not acknowledge traditional West African religion. He is probably not aware of that the British colonialists in Nigeria encouraged the Jewish myth just to find arguments for occupying Igbo land, and sow division between different groups.

Without knowing it he is pushing old colonial ideas.

He seems not to care about West Africans who are not Jews. And he seems not to care about Jews who are not black.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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^^^^^^^^^ Black NEGRO/NEGROID Jews IN SPAIN/PORTUGAL, who were not the descendants of white jewish converts in africa. Lol, this is too easy.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^^^ source on the right says the black portuguese Jews were BLACK AS NEGROES....

Source on the left says the black Jews of Portugal were BLACK LIKE THE BICHARIS PEOPLE...

PHOTO OF BICHARIS PEOPLE:




 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
ahhh, I am currently dealing with two of egypt search's finest... one got slapped so hard in the face with sources back on page 2, that he had to take a break and come back pretending he wasn't already debunked... (as if we forgot)....

And the other can't comprehend what the word/color black constitutes, even when it's put in it's proper context with word by word break downs and high quality color photos.

LOLOLOL!!!

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
ahhh, I am currently dealing with two of egypt search's finest... one got slapped so hard in the face with sources back on page 2, that he had to take a break and come back pretending he wasn't already debunked... (as if we forgot)....

And the other can't comprehend what the word/color black constitutes, even when it's put in it's proper context with word by word break downs and high quality color photos.

LOLOLOL!!!

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
Oh and how could I forget... Here is a screenshot of @the lioness lying and saying that a source I shared was saying the black portuguese Jews were the result of intermarriage when the source LITERALLY SAYS they did not intermarry with the natives. He/she/it tried to use the context of a completely different part of the page to make the part I was dealing with contradict itself.



Here is a link to the thread in question:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=000431;p=17
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Tazarah has now gone far away from any serious discussion, he just posts the same again and again.

We will never see him write any article to any peer reviewed journal, and we will never see him post any ancient afro from Israel.

And he is so deep in his delusions that he thinks he knows more about ancient Israelites than those who do actual field work in Israel.

Maybe it is after all a waste of time debating with a religious fanatic and blackcentric pseudo.

It is like discussing Evolution with a Jehovas whitness. They desperately cling to the Bible and he desperately cling to old racist literature.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

are you still here crying/complaining and pretending that you weren't already debunked on page 2 of this thread? Remember, when you ran away and said you were "out" after failing to form a legitimate response to the plethora of scholastic information I charged you with?

Rofl. Not only have you failed to realize your defeat, you've also failed to realize the fact that I no longer take you seriously and only see you as a joke. .... Cognitive Dissonance plagues you.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

are you still here crying/complaining and pretending that you weren't already debunked on page 2 of this thread? Remember, when you ran away and said you were "out" after failing to form a legitimate response to the plethora of scholastic information I charged you with?

Rofl. Not only have you failed to realize your defeat, you've also failed to realize the fact that I no longer take you seriously and only see you as a joke. .... Cognitive Dissonance plagues you.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
From page 2 of this thread... check the list of scholars and their credentials at the bottom of the page... they've done "actual field work". Rofl. You're a pseudo joke just like lyiness.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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With three well-preserved specimens from the time of Jesus in hand, Neave used computerized tomography to create X-ray "slices" of the skulls, thus revealing minute details about each one's structure. Special computer programs then evaluated reams of information about known measurements of the thickness of soft tissue at key areas on human faces. This made it possible to re-create the muscles and skin overlying a representative Semite skull.

The entire process was accomplished using software that verified the results with anthropological data. From this data, the researchers built a digital 3D reconstruction of the face. Next, they created a cast of the skull. Layers of clay matching the thickness of facial tissues specified by the computer program were then applied, along with simulated skin. The nose, lips and eyelids were then modeled to follow the shape determined by the underlying muscles.

Two key factors could not be determined from the skull—Jesus's hair and coloration. To fill in these parts of the picture, Neave's team turned to drawings found at various archeological sites, dated to the first century. Drawn before the Bible was compiled, they held crucial clues that enabled the researchers to determine that Jesus had dark rather than light-colored eyes. They also pointed out that in keeping with Jewish tradition, he was bearded as well.

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But you of course know better how these people looked than the experts reconstructing the face? I think you are joking.
 

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From page 2 of this thread... check the list of scholars and their credentials at the bottom of the page... they've done "actual field work". Rofl. You're a pseudo joke just like lyiness.

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@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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@the lioness

Are you playing dumb? Many ancient/classical writers and historians wrote about the Jews being "ethiopians".



The Scripture Gazetteer: A Geographical, Historical, and Statistical Account... Volume 1" by William Fleming, page 479 (1837) Edinburgh Printing and Publishing Company

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scripture_Gazetteer/Nm5AAAAAcAAJ?hl=en

The Torah and Tanakh say that lineage is determined through the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59).

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient semites were negroid:



"The Arabs: The Life Story of a People who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World" by Bertram Thomas, page 355 (1937) Doubleday, Doran and Company, Incorporated

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172706

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
firsthand historical account from 641 AD stating that Israelites could not be told apart from Nubians and Abyssinians (Ethiopians):



"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt

https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Short_History_of_the_Copts_and_of_Thei.html?id=ybXUAAAAMAAJ

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews:



"The Negro in the New World" by Sir Harry H. Johnston, page 27 (1910) Smithsonian Institution

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/negroinnewworl00john

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 


archeotypery: "Tazarah, I know you've already posted a handful of sources that I wasn't able to legitimately refute back on page 2 but PLEASE post something different so that I can give you the same excuses!!!"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Another facial reconstruction of an Israeli man from the time of Jesus created with modern methods, not by reading outdated racist books



Go to Israel, visit some museums and universities. maybe you will learn something
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Tazarah does not understand that anthropology and archaeology have developed since the 1800s and early 1900s. It is like going to a village doctor from 1910 to have advanced heart surgery
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
UH OH. According to national geographic, anthropology/archaeology is still a valid form of research... and BONES DO NOT CHANGE. Time to come up with a new excuse, pseudo boy.




 

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient semites were negroid:



"The Arabs: The Life Story of a People who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World" by Bertram Thomas, page 355 (1937) Doubleday, Doran and Company, Incorporated

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172706

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
anthropological/archaeological source stating that ancient elamites (semites) were negroid and so were the Jews:



"The Negro in the New World" by Sir Harry H. Johnston, page 27 (1910) Smithsonian Institution

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/negroinnewworl00john

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********* FIRSTHAND HISTORICAL ACCOUNT FROM 641 AD stating that Israelites could not be told apart from Nubians and Abyssinians (Ethiopians):



"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt

https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Short_History_of_the_Copts_and_of_Thei.html?id=ybXUAAAAMAAJ

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 

Jewish scribes depicted in the famous Libro de los juegos (“Book of games”) commissioned by Alfonso X in 1283


Men playing Alquerque, pictured in Libro de los juegos. Date, 1283


A Jew and a Muslim playing chess in 13th century al-Andalus. El Libro de los Juegos, commissioned by Alphonse X of Castile, 13th century. Madrid,

http://iers.grial.eu/modules/spain-and-sicily/spaindex-4.html


Taz, you keep ignoring this

That's suspicious
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
I never denied the existence of white jew-ish people. STRAWMAN ALERT.....
 

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The sources say the BLACK JEWS 👉🏾OF PORTUGAL👈🏾 WERE BLACK, it's not talking about the descendants of white men who went to africa, or mulattos in africa, or the lancados. You are clearly very retarded. Either that or a brain dead eurocentric clown. One or the other, possibly both. Because none of this is hard to understand, at all.



"100 amazing facts about the Negro, with complete proof : a short cut to the world history of the Negro" by Joel Augustus Rogers, page 42 (1934)

https://archive.org/details/100amazingfactsa00roge

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^^^^^^^^^ BLACK NEGRO/NEGROID Jews IN SPAIN/PORTUGAL, who were not the descendants of white jewish converts in africa. Lol, this is too easy.

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The lioness is now promoting the false and racist idea that black portuguese Jews were the descendants of white jew-ish men who married black women in africa. Yet there exists plenty of historical information confirming the fact that black portuguese Jews ALREADY existed in portugal.

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^^^^ source on the right says the black portuguese Jews were BLACK AS NEGROES....

Source on the left says the black Jews of Portugal were BLACK LIKE THE BICHARIS PEOPLE...

PHOTO OF BICHARIS PEOPLE:




 

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"Moralia in Job of 945" (945 A.D. SPAIN)



From the book "Early Spanish Manuscript Illumination" by John Williams, page 54

Christ in Majesty

"Christ is shown enthroned between two Cherubs, within a great circular firmament suspended from the hands of two Seraphs."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_on_Job_of_945

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Oh and how could I forget... Here is a screenshot of @the lioness lying and saying that a source I shared was saying the black portuguese Jews were the result of intermarriage when the source LITERALLY SAYS they did not intermarry with the natives. He/she/it tried to use the context of a completely different part of the page to make the part I was dealing with contradict itself.



Here is a link to the thread in question:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=000431;p=17

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UH OH. According to national geographic, anthropology/archaeology is still a valid form of research... and BONES DO NOT CHANGE. Time to come up with a new excuse, pseudo boy.

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Of course the sciences of anthropology and archaeology is still valid, as if I do not know that. I have myself participated in excavations, surveys and other archaeological work.

But we are not stuck in 1910, our methods, theories and base of knowledge are all the time developing. And in those times they did not know about the properties of DNA. They had no DNA studies.

As I said, you do not go to a village doctor from 1910 if you want advanced heart surgery.
 

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Taz, I found a proper 12 Tribes chart
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Some more paintings from ancient Egypt. Here you can see how they depicted Semites compared with how they painted Nubians.


 

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^^ what tomb?
 

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archeotypery: "Tazarah, I know you've already posted a handful of sources that I wasn't able to legitimately refute back on page 2 but PLEASE post something different so that I can give you the same excuses!!!"

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

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From page 2 of this thread... check the list of scholars and their credentials at the bottom of the page... they've done "actual field work". Rofl. You're a pseudo joke just like lyiness.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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********* FIRSTHAND HISTORICAL ACCOUNT FROM 641 AD stating that Israelites could not be told apart from Nubians and Abyssinians (Ethiopians):



"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt

https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Short_History_of_the_Copts_and_of_Thei.html?id=ybXUAAAAMAAJ

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The tomb of Sebek-Hotep (also spelled Sobekhotep), 18th dynasty. Sebek-Hotep was a treasurer in service of Thutmosis IV. He was to handle tributes that neighboring peoples came with.

Here is a close up on one of the figures


 

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Taz, you're going with this one?
but how do you prove he's an Israelite?
 

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The tomb of Sebek-Hotep (also spelled Sobekhotep), 18th dynasty. Sebek-Hotep was a treasurer in service of Thutmosis IV. He was to handle tributes that neighboring peoples came with.

Here is a close up on one of the figures

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[b] From page 2 of this thread... check the list of scholars and their credentials at the bottom of the page... they've done "actual field work". Rofl. You're a pseudo joke just like lyiness.

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@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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@archeotypery

Since you aren't intellectually capable of forming a legitimate and competent counter argument to refute any of the anthropological/archaeological sources I've charged you with, how about you refute this FIRSTHAND ACCOUNT from 641 A.D. written by the arabs invading Egypt, who wrote that the Nubians, Abyssinians (Ethiopians) and ISRAELITES could not be told apart from one another?

FYI... Nubians and Ethiopians are black africans. According to this source, the Israelites could not be told apart from them. And you just tried to separate the appearance of Semites from Nubians... LOL. This should be interesting.

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********* FIRSTHAND HISTORICAL ACCOUNT FROM 641 AD stating that Israelites could not be told apart from Nubians and Abyssinians (Ethiopians):



"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt

https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Short_History_of_the_Copts_and_of_Thei.html?id=ybXUAAAAMAAJ

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Well, obviously the fact that even the ancient Egyptians themselves could see a difference so much earlier between themselves and Semitic peoples, and that the skeletal evidence show us how the actual Semites (including Jews) looked like far earlier than your source, makes your arguments void. Some Jews may have mixed with others but at least in the Levant people from ancient times to now have mostly been genetically related and also rather similar in Phenotype (there were of course exceptions, like foreigners and mixed people). Also old writers were no trained anthropologists, so one can not always take them too seriously. Many old writers saw what they wanted to see, some even saw dragons and unicorns. So source criticism is always good.

This picture from a synagogue is older than your source, it is from the 400s. And not in Egypt but in Israel itself.
I suppose the Jews themselves knew how they looked.


In the short video I posted earlier, an expert examined a skull from a Galilean man from Jesus time and told about the clear Mediterranean features of the skull.

Here it is again

Reconstruction of skull from the time of Jesus

Egyptians mostly also depicted themselves somewhat darker than Semites. But the difference was probably not so very big, both had brown skin. Even among Egyptians themselves there can be variation in colors.

Here are Semites and Nubians, once again from the 18th dynasty.



As you can see from this image the Egyptians saw a difference in Semites and Nubians already in dynastic times. And they also depicted themselves as darker than Semites, but lighter than Nubians.

B t w, you have still not posted the Biblical Afro hair. I posted an article about straight hair in ancient Jerusalem. So it is up to you to post Jewish Afro hair from Biblical time Israel.

If you claim that all ancient Jews were negroid I propose that you forward that theory to those who work with archaeology or anthropology in Israel. Maybe you can start with those in the short video I posted. They are just a mail away
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
@archeotypery

So the sources that debunk you are "wrong", ancient [negroid] semitic skeletal remains that debunk you are "outdated", the murals I post from 14th-15th century BC of black/negroid Israelites are "wrong", and your photos and CGI images trump everything. Got it. LOL.
 

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Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
 
Actually I posted different pictures of Semites (including Jews) from a period of nearly 2000 years, and I posted facial reconstructions and even a film. You just post old books and the same picture again and again. Nothing you posted debunks anything I stated. You can not discern evidence even if it flies in your face. As I said you are not a scholar, you just believe any old writer who you think writes something that agrees with your world view. I start to think you are blind. Or maybe just stubborn and can not admit that you are wrong.

I challenge you to contact modern anthropologists and archaeologists in Israel and forward your stupid blackcentric ideas to them. Shall be
interesting to hear what they say.
 

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Posted by Tazarah (Member # 23365) on :
 
sorry; but your sources are outdated and not valid.
 

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From page 2 of this thread... check the list of scholars and their credentials at the bottom of the page... they've done "actual field work". Rofl. You're a pseudo joke just like lyiness.

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Originally posted by Tazarah:
@archeotypery

14-15th century BC, Egypt. The genesis of the Israelite nation. Have a nice day, pseudo troll.

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sorry; but your sources are outdated and not valid.

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