Benjamin Franklin called Swedish (Finnish) migrants black: "Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
Swedes (Finns), are generally of what we call a swarthy (synonyms for swarthy are dark, dark-coloured, dark-skinned, dark-complexioned, olive-skinned, black) Complexion"
quote:Originally posted by A Habsburg Agenda: I just came across this piece in the Cheikh Anta Diop's book "The African Origin of Civilization"
Chapter 9, Peopling of African from the Nile Valley, Pages 183,184.
quote:In tne nineteenth century Body de Saint Vincent described the Eskimos, some of whom were amost as black as the blackest of Africans, despite the latitude:
Whatever the reason, both sexes, more tanned than people in Europe and Central Asia, darker than any other Americans, are even blacker the farther north one goes; an additional proof that it is not, as generally believed, the head of the sun that causes black skin color in certain intertropical regions. It is not rare to find Eskimos, Greenlanders, and Samoyeds at 70 degrees latitude who, darker than Hottentots at the opposite extreme of the old continent, are almost as black as Wolof or Kaffirs on the Equator
In the Notes on Chapter 9, page 293.
5. Bory de Saint Vincent, Histoire et description des îles de l'ocean. Paris: Didot, 1839.
The full title appears of the book - Histoire et description des îles de l'ocean par m. le commandeur bory de saint-vincent. régions circompolaires par m. frédéric lacroix. BORY DE SAINT-VINCENT, LACROIX (Frédéric)
Benjamin Franklin called Swedish (Finnish) migrants black: "Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
Let's look at more of the whole Benjamin Franklin quote
And since Detachments of English from Britain sent to America, will have their Places at Home so soon supply’d and increase so largely here; why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.
24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.
-- Benjamin Franklin Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, 1751 Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind
Printed in [William Clarke], Observations On the late and present Conduct of the French, with Regard to their Encroachments upon the British Colonies in North America. … To which is added, wrote by another Hand; Observations concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries,&c. Boston: Printed and Sold by S. Kneeland in Queen-Street. 1755. (Yale University Library)
Here uses a narrower definition of "white" than we do today. He defines anybody who is not pale as not "white" and seems to add to that a bias toward being English. He even goes as far to say French and Russian people are not white. He says Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.
This usage of "swarthy", his intent is a slight brownish tint to these people that most people regard as "white" today.
He distinguishes them including Swedes from "black"
He says "All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America "
So he also distinguishes "tawny" from "swarthy"
So if he were alive today and looking at Europe to him the only white people there would be people of the UK or of Anglo Saxon descent.
So does this 18th century racist bullshit Benjamin Franklin quote mean the Swedes at the time were black?
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Benjamin Franklin initially owned and dealt in slaves but, by the 1750s, he argued against slavery from an economic perspective and became one of the most prominent abolitionists. Franklin became an abolitionist and freed his two slaves. He eventually became president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society
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U5b Although a small proportion of the Haplogroup U (mtDNA) among the Sami falls into U4, the great majority is U5b. The percentage of total Sami mtDNA samples tested by K. Tambets and her colleagues (published in 2004) which were U5b ranged from 56.8% in Norwegian Sami to 26.5% in Swedish Sami.[5] In research made by M. Ingman and U. Gyllensten in 2006 shows a slightly different setting: Norwegian Sami belongs to U5b as well as U5b1b1 to 56.8%, Finnish Sami with 40.6%, Northern Sami in Sweden to 35.5% and Southern Sami in Sweden within reindeer herding to 23.9% while Southern Sami in Sweden outside of reindeer herding/other occupation belong to U5b to 16.3% and to U5b1b1 to 12%.[7] Sami U5b falls into subclade U5b1b1. The Sami U5b1b1 [5] sub-clade is present in many different populations, e.g. 3% or higher frequencies in Karelia, Finland, and Northern-Russia.[5] [/QB][/QUOTE]
Black Crystal Member # 22903
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^^^Franklin seems more of a colorist than racialist. He is using definitions that look at one trait to point to skin color than sum total of traits that measure for race.
yumadro Member # 22970
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Musta-Nykyri (lived in the 1500s and came famous around 1570–1595 during Swedish-Russian war) was a peasant chief in Muhos, Finland. He was tall, extremely strong and he got his epithet in the name (Musta = Black) from his dark skin.
He wasn't only strong, but he was also a witch. He was feared by Russians because of his strength and ability to create new soldiers from chicken feathers.
-From Samuel Johnson, the man who literally wrote the dictionary on the English language.
Benjamin Franklin said exactly what was true. Europe has always had Black people. Only modern age revisionists are trying to change that reality.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Mansfield9:
-From Samuel Johnson, the man who literally wrote the dictionary on the English language.
Benjamin Franklin said exactly what was true. Europe has always had Black people. Only modern age revisionists are trying to change that reality.
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quote:"And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy"
Benjamin Franklin 1751
So if these countries were black in 1751 at what time did they get replaced by white people?
yumadro Member # 22970
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So if these countries were black in 1751 at what time did they get replaced by white people?
Russo-Swedish war 1700-1721. Finnish population at that time was around 400.000 and the most fightings happened in Finland, but even the fightings itself wasn't as bad for Finnish people as the Russian occupation.
Officially it is said that at least 1/4 of the entire population of Finland were killed by Russians, but in some studies even as high numbers as half of the entire population were killed and over 20.000 people were taken as slaves and some of those slaves were sold as far as at Arabia. In some areas of Finland, the entire populations were annihilated by Russians. Farms were destroyed and looted by Russians and because there were not enough farmers the famine began and it kept killing Finnish people even after the Russians left. This caused many Finns to start moving to America.
This time period of terror is known as Isoviha (roughly translated as Big Hatred or Big Anger) in Finland. It wasn't only war called with name "viha", but there was also Pikkuviha, Pitkä viha and Vanha viha too. In all of those, the population of Finland were a target of annihilation.
Great Famine of 1695–1697 or simply the Great Famine, was a catastrophic famine that affected present Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Norway and Sweden: at the time, all of these areas belonged to the Swedish Empire with the exception of Norway. In the Swedish province of Finland, the Great Famine of 1695–97 was also referred to as "The Years of Many Deaths" by some Finnish historians, because it killed about a third of the Finnish population in only two years.
Suuret nälkävuodet 1866-1868 was last naturally caused famine in Europe and in Finland. The total death toll in Finland was even as high as 270.000 (Finnish population at the time was around 1.83 million).
yumadro Member # 22970
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Russian soldiers in 1914 Helsinki, Finland. Finland was still part of the Russian empire. Finland got independent in 1917.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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He didn't even mention Finland
quote:24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small.
All Africa is black or tawny.
Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so.
And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion;
as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.
--Benjamin Franklin, 1751
In 1751 he said Africans are "black and tawny"
which distinguished them from "swarthy" people
" And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion;"
quote: Originally posted by yumadro: Russo-Swedish war 1700-1721. Finnish population at that time was around 400.000 and the most fightings happened in Finland, but even the fightings itself wasn't as bad for Finnish people as the Russian occupation.
Franklin didn't even mention Finland. Had he mentioned Finland and he said they were "swarthy",not "black" or "tawny" that would be thirty years AFTER 1700-1721.
Thereal Member # 22452
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Stop trolling, swarthy means dark and the only dark population that's relatively young in Europe is the Roma gypsy,he can't be talking about the Roma as they are already seen as non white.
yumadro Member # 22970
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: He didn't even mention Finland
Swedish migrants were most often Finnish. Finland was part of Sweden in the 1700s.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Stop trolling, swarthy means dark and the only dark population that's relatively young in Europe is the Roma gypsy,he can't be talking about the Roma as they are already seen as non white.
Don't be insanely delusional. Benjamin Franklin did not intend "swarthy" to mean black people. How many times do I have to show the quote "all Africa is black or tawny". When Benjamin Franklin said "swarthy" who was slightly tinted, anything more than being very pale, no different from multi millions of modern day Europeans. Wake up this is not 1751
yumadro Member # 22970
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On New Shores, the chapter "The Finns of Embarrass, Minnesota":
"In Embarrass — and in the Finnish communities through which Bercovici traveled by auto from Duluth — the starkest symbol of this resistance was clear to him in the arrangement of the farmstead: “[A]lways there was one little building too many. Generally, it was a square, squat log house, which seemed to be half in the ground, with a wide door and a blind window.” The writer fails to find any sin beyond a certain standoffishness in the Finns he talks to, but he freely quotes the guide, a man named Hall, for a more sinister view of these people of the marsh edges: “[T]he Christian Finns are all right… like the Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes we have in this State…. But the black Finns of Embarrass are not Christians at all. They believe in witchcraft. Every family has its own witch-house close by its living-quarters. And as often as a good Christian says his prayers, these black Finns visit their little witch-houses. It is a funny sight to see the whole family, each one wrapped in a large white sheet, going to this little house to pray to some deity. Now these black Finns, too, are good workers, but we know enough about them to keep away from them.”
The British Quarterly Review from 1845 calls Laplanders dark-complexioned.
Encyclopædia Britannica 1824 calls Laplanders having swarthy skin:
Same book also calls some Finns having swarthy complexion, but because of "cultivation" it doesn't fit universally for all Finns.
I don't think the Finns have been cultivated out of swarthiness or dark-complexion but some Finns have been swarthy and dark-complexion because they were related to the original inhabitants of Finland; the Saami people. Only the mixed people and Saami were swarthy and dark-complexion.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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Samoied Man (aka Nenet or Samoyed)
This is what they mean by swarthy
yumadro Member # 22970
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
This is what they mean by swarthy
That's not swarthy (dark/brown/black) skin but white tanned skin. I'm not even sure if that is tanned skin or is the picture lying? Even white tanned skin is not the same thing as swarthy if you read how dictionary describes word swarthy.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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Here's another swarthy Siberian from a video
the lioness, Member # 17353
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1908, book The story-life of Lincoln: a biography composed of five hundred true stories ... By Wayne Whipple
yumadro Member # 22970
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: 1908, book The story-life of Lincoln: a biography composed of five hundred true stories ... By Wayne Whipple
Abraham Lincoln was a black man or at least half-black.
The story is a fake satire from the Daily Squib
The Daily Squib is a British satirical online publication created by satire writer Aur Esenbel, and was officially launched on April Fool's Day,2007
SaxonQueen Member # 22837
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Yumadro,
Come off it dude, there are real photos proving Lincoln was not Black, plus he stated himself he was White and made many White supremacist racist quotes LOL ROTFLMBO. That Samoyed man is an example of would be what would be considered dark skinned or swarthy when it comes to White people
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