But they were Romans not Egyptians. Black Romans, or mulatto Romans, (whichever you prefer...) working for the Roman colonial government in Egypt.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: But they were Romans not Egyptians. Black Romans, or mulatto Romans, (whichever you prefer...) working for the Roman colonial government in Egypt.
you have a source on their ancestry?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Yes, Roman cemetery; Roman portrait, men in Roman Togas and dresses, Roman gods in the background = Roman culture and citizens
Egyptian tomb art: Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Under Greco-Roman rule, Egypt hosted several Greek settlements, mostly concentrated in Alexandria, but also in a few other cities, where Greek settlers lived alongside some seven to ten million native Egyptians. Faiyum's earliest Greek inhabitants were soldier-veterans and cleruchs (elite military officials) who were settled by the Ptolemaic kings on reclaimed lands. Native Egyptians also came to settle in Faiyum from all over the country, notably the Nile Delta, Upper Egypt, Oxyrhynchus and Memphis, to undertake the labor involved in the land reclamation process, as attested by personal names, local cults and recovered papyri. It is estimated that as much as 30 percent of the population of Faiyum was Greek during the Ptolemaic period, with the rest being native Egyptians. By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made-up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Many Albino sources want to attribute Fayum genre portraits as Greeks/Romans mixed with Egyptians.
Just one little problem with that, since when did CONQUERORS mix so well with locals, that they SHARED the same Cemeteries?
Then, please show Egyptians wearing wreaths.
Or dressed like THIS!
^BTW lioness, what is your source? Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: But they were Romans not Egyptians. Black Romans, or mulatto Romans, (whichever you prefer...) working for the Roman colonial government in Egypt.
Mike, Iron says these brothers might be mulatto Romans but they don't have Egyptian ancestry.
He is the first person to make a claim as to their ancestry, so the burden of source is on him
I merely posted the painting.
If somebody wants to claim the Romans never intermarried with Egyptians then they need documentation that there was law prohibiting it
(yet at the same time they might be mulatto Romans-go figure- they might have been mulatto Roamns of what components? )
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .... By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made-up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins.
By Greek they mean Black Romans or Greeks who were then pre-eminent. You have to be Muslim to be buried in a Muslim cemetery, you gotta be Jew to share cemetery with Juifs, you had to be a Roman to get into a Roman cemetery.
Natives were buried differently.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
But they were Romans not Egyptians. Black Romans, or mulatto Romans, (whichever you prefer...) working for the Roman colonial government in Egypt.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: you had to be a Roman to get into a Roman cemetery.
Natives were buried differently.
What is your source that mulattos who worked for the Roman colonial government in Egypt had no Egyptian ancestry?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
I never claimed that sweetie, some might have had some Egyptian ancestry, but to what extent?
It is more in line with the historical reality that the Romans who ruled Egypt were themselves black or mixed blood.
Have you heard or Pecenius Niger the Commander of the Egyptian Legion? He was a Roman of the highest pedigree, from the equestrian class, but he was a black man.
Claudius Albinus, was an albinoid African from Libya.
Septimus Severus was an lawyer from Africa who became the emperor of Roman. His ancestral line was from the equestrian class, he was a black man.
There were lots Muur.
The Fayium portrait adds graphics to the story above....
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Septimus Severus was an lawyer from Africa who became the emperor of Roman. His ancestral line was from the equestrian class, he was a black man.
was Septimus Severus a mulatto or quadroon?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Who was more Muurish Pescennius Niger or il Moro ?
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Can we get..... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Who was more Muurish Pescennius Niger or il Moro ?
Haney
Your picture is not authentic. This is the real Pescenius Niger. He looks Black to me...
are you sure ?
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
This Fayum portrait of two brothers and the other Fayum portraits show the skin colors of the Romans. The Roman were mostly mulato and black when they created the Roman Empire.
