Western imperialism throughout the world always roars in as the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse. That's what NATO did to Libya and Africa. War, pestilence, famine, and death. According to some soft poll some The author compromises his bona fides here and there but he does point to the racism of the settler Arabs that fueled the overthrow.
Reading between the line some 70% of Libyans admit to be worse off now than under Gaddafi. The 32% that says that they are better off are the die-hard settler racists that called in NATO to destroy Libya.
It was the destruction of Libya that directly led to the Islamist take-over of Northern Mali and the kidnappings in Algeria. Boko Haram and Seleka Islamists(CAR) all benefited from the newly available weaponry and disorder in Libya to mount their ferocious attacks.
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi is infamous for abuses he has inflicted on his own people but less well known is a campaign of carnage he inspired across Africa and Latin America.
(Sands of time: Rebels hostile to the regime of Col Gaddafi emerge from the desert where once he trained future tyrants)
At the height of his power, Col Muammar Gaddafi was singled out by MI5 as the greatest state-sponsored terror threat of the 1980s.
It was a time when the Libyan leader is said to have become bound to repressive regimes and armed movements worldwide.
Flush with oil money, Gaddafi orchestrated a training campaign for students who became brutal warlords in Africa, a legacy which leaves the region unstable today, according to Douglas Farah, senior fellow at the International Assessment And Strategy Center in Virginia, US.
The national security consultant and analyst says: ‘Gaddafi’s World Revolutionary Center (WRC) near Benghazi, Libya, became, as scholar Stephen Ellis noted in his 2001 book, The Mask Of Anarchy, the “Harvard and Yale of a whole generation of African revolutionaries”, many of them the continent’s most notorious tyrants.’
The desert training camps taught weapons and intelligence techniques, with doses of ideology from Gaddafi’s Green Book.
‘Courses lasted from a few weeks to more than a year, depending on the level of specialisation and rank one had,’ says Farah.
‘In addition to the African contingents, Gaddafi’s cells trained the Sandinistas from Nicaragua, along with other Latin American revolutionary movements and, in the process, built an enduring relationship with Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez.
Gaddafi, Ortega and Chávez also developed close ties with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc), a terrorist group reportedly producing more than half of the world’s cocaine.’
At the WRC in the 1980s and 1990s, a select group of students formed a fraternity who provided mutual support in their ruthless campaigns for power.
‘That network still wields considerable influence today through its alumni still in power, including Blaise Compaoré of Burkina Faso and Idriss Déby of Chad,’ says Farah.
‘His closest ally in Africa was Robert Mugabe , who although not a WRC product, has been propped up by Libyan donations and subsidised oil shipments.’
Muammar Gaddafi and Robert Mugabe Libyan leader Gaddafi embraces Zimbabwe leader Robert Mugabe Relations have been more strained recently as Zimbabwe could not repay its Libyan debts.
However, Farah says: ‘Gaddafi has done well out of his investments, acquiring at least 20 luxurious properties and a stake in some of the few still-viable state enterprises after riding to Mugabe’s rescue.
Gaddafi also intervened militarily in the Central African Republic in 2001.
The president he protected, Ange-Félix Patassé, signed a deal giving Libya a 99-year lease to exploit all of the country’s natural resources, including uranium, copper, diamonds and oil.’
Farah, a former West Africa bureau chief for The Washington Post, adds: ‘Liberia, a US stronghold in the Cold War, was also targeted after a US bombing attack in 1986 against Libya killed one of Gaddafi’s adopted daughters.
‘Gaddafi recruited Liberia’s Charles Taylor, who is now standing trial for crimes against humanity, including the abduction of children for combat, systematic rape and mass murder.
‘Another recruit, Foday Sankoh of Sierra Leone’s Revolutionary United Front (RUF), would be standing trial in the same court for similar crimes had he not died of natural causes.’
Sankoh formed the RUF under Taylor’s auspices and together they pioneered their signature atrocity in the 1990s.
‘The amputation of the arms and legs of men, women, and children as part of a scorched-earth campaign was designed to take over the region’s rich diamond fields and was backed by Gaddafi, who routinely reviewed their progress and supplied weapons,’ says Farah.
Compaoré, the current president of Burkina Faso, is another WRC graduate.
In 1987, troops loyal to him assassinated his best friend, president Thomas Sankara, to pave the way for him to take power.
Compaoré sent troops and resources to back both Taylor’s insurgency in Liberia and the RUF in Sierra Leone.
A 2002 United Nations investigation found Compaoré played a significant role in arming them in violation of a UN arms embargo.
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Excerpted with permission from global politics and economics magazine Foreign Policy. www.foreignpolicy.com Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
LOL. Here we have this leave-smoking demented jackass who has never been to Africa offering up some ridiculous nonsense about Libya. As i keep telling this gutted--brain moron who is as confused a dog drunk on beer. I mean it is just so ridiculous to have a this weak-brained fool prattling on stupidly about--"muurs". I say stay off the leaves. You just get dumber and dumber every day.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: LOL. Here we have this leave-smoking demented jackass who has never been to Africa offering up some ridiculous nonsense about Libya. As i keep telling this gutted--brain moron who is as confused a dog drunk on beer. I mean it is just so ridiculous to have a this weak-brained fool prattling on stupidly about--"muurs". I say stay off the leaves. You just get dumber and dumber every day.
Honey
Are you having one of those bi-polar incidents again? Oh gee...
Here relax and have a toke...
It helps! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: ... prattling on stupidly about--"muurs". ...
Honey
The Muurish Story is now Online: MUUR!
quote: Muammar Gaddafi was the mastermind and key financier of the brutal war that left hundreds of thousands dead in Sierra Leone in West Africa in the 1990s. The war would not have happened in the first place had it not been for the desire of the Libyan leader to punish the government of Sierra Leone for what he regarded as its siding with the West in the 1980’s when Gaddafi was at loggerhead with particularly the United States and Britain. It was also part of Gaddafi’s broader agenda including his geopolitical ambition to destabilize much of West Africa and establish satellite states in the region to be headed by puppet regimes that will be doing his biddings. The decade-long war ripped Sierra Leone apart. Thousands of its victims, whose arms and limbs were chopped off by rebels, were reduced to paupers, roaming the streets as beggars in Freetown and other cities. Children as young as a day old were also among those whose arms and limbs were hacked off by Gaddafi’s rebels. Pregnant women, too, were disemboweled with delight in their display of ghastly brutality. http://www.shout-africa.com/top-story/libya-indict-muammar-gaddafi-now-for-war-crimes-in-sierra-leone/
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Yes, the MUURS are telling their stories!
All for diamonds and power. This is the work of Gaddhafi, and his armed and sent thugs Charles Taylor of Liberia, and the late Foday Sankoh of Sierra Leone:
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Who killed Tomas Sankara?
MOMO: My boss told me to approach Sankara for help in taking power in Liberia. In return, he offered lucrative business opportunities. Thomas Sankara told him he was not interested and asked him to leave the country. He told him that he would not help and asked him to find another staging point for his rebellion. Guengere, who is currently Burkina Faso’s minister of defence, Blaise Compaoré, Charles Taylor, and Chad’s current president … you know who he is?
SILVESTRO: Yes.
MOMO: Yes, him too.
SILVESTRO: Yes.
MOMO: They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…
SILVESTRO: And was Gaddafi okay with the plan?
MOMO: Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.
SILVESTRO: Yes, yes…
MOMO: If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.
Which smooth operator sold Africans to Romans and they never even had a clue:
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
He was also a rabid Arabist and a proselytizing Muslim imam. Al Qaeda, his former brethrens that he brought to Africa in 1976 - 1982 finally brought his fake ass down!
Read this honey:
Gadaffi's Girls: When in Rome...colonel orders in 500 beauties but there's no booze and definitely no hanky-panky
When an elderly gent places an order for 500 leggy lovelies to attend a party in Rome, scenes of a saucy nature would seem to be guaranteed. Not, however, when the customer happens to be Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Rather than invite the dark-eyed beauties to see his etchings Silvio Berlusconi-style, the 67-year-old Libyan dictator suggested they convert to Islam.
"The Arab Islamic Republic was a proposed unification of Tunisia and Libya in 1974, agreed upon by then Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi and Tunisian President Habib Bourguiba."
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Lamin, you are just another anti-MUURISH Kunt!
We will not be SLAVES to nobody, not even your ARABIC fuk-master Gaddafi:
MUURZ!
"The idea that Arab idealists would be prepared to die for another country's leader was not entirely unfounded. Thanks to its enormous oil reserves Libya was by far the richest country in North Africa. The problem was that there wasn't enough personnel to man all of the wonderful equipment purchased with the oil billions. Thus, in the mid-70s the Libyan Army had only 300 crew for the 2,500 tanks rusting in their depots. Libya was generally short on people and, as in many oil states, the economy was kept going by tens of thousands of foreign workers. Military service was especially unpopular, and so it was obvious to fall back on foreigners for this also.
There was, unfortunately, one big catch: there were few real volunteers. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were still in the distant future, and very few Arabs were willing to risk their lives for Gaddafi's grandiose plans. But there was yet another resource. Due to several severe droughts, many semi-nomads from the Sahel, Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan had come to Libya and were leading a miserable existence in refugee camps. Furthermore there were political exiles from these and other countries who had fought in vain for more autonomy in their homelands. West Africans were also continually flooding in, risking the long journey across the Sahara to find work in Libya.
The majority of the Islamic Legion was recruited from among these poor souls. "
Jackass why are you wasting your time posting nonsense about which you know very little. You have been dismissed as a frivolous and confused punk a long time ago. You are the living embodiment of what leaves can do to the human brain.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Honey, don't be mad at me. These truths are all well known and documented.
Come with facts otherwise you are just a bossy little gyal spouting insults instead of debating...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUURZ:
All he ever gave to Africa was one form of Islamic fundamentalism or the other. Meanwhile, he was a fornicator, a wine connoisseur, and a pork eater!
Report about Muammar Gaddafi’s World Islamic Call Society
Author: Tom Heneghan Source: Reuters, March 29, 2012
Original title: Special Report: Gaddafi's secret missionaries
On a tidy campus in his capital of Tripoli, dictator Muammar Gaddafi sponsored one of the world's leading Muslim missionary networks. It was the smiling face of his Libyan regime, and the world smiled back.
The World Islamic Call Society (WICS) sent staffers out to build mosques and provide humanitarian relief. It gave poor students a free university education, in religion, finance and computer science. Its missionaries traversed Africa preaching a moderate, Sufi-tinged version of Islam as an alternative to the strict Wahhabism that Saudi Arabia was spreading.
Illuminatis!
The Society won approval in high places. The Vatican counted it among its partners in Christian-Muslim dialogue and both Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict received its secretary general. Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual head of the world's Anglicans, visited the campus in 2009 to deliver a lecture. The following year, the U.S. State Department noted approvingly how the Society had helped Filipino Christian migrant workers start a church in Libya.
But the Society had a darker side that occasionally flashed into view. In Africa, rumors abounded for years of Society staffers paying off local politicians or supporting insurgent groups. In 2004, an American Muslim leader was convicted of a plot to assassinate the Saudi crown prince, financed in part by the Society. In 2011, Canada stripped the local Society office of its charity status after it found the director had diverted Society money to a radical group that had attempted a coup in Trinidad and Tobago in 1990 and was linked to a plot to bomb New York's Kennedy Airport in 2007.
Gaddafi and Jangaweed in Sudan - The Angel of Death
The Janjaweed in Darfur : echoes of Gaddafi's Islamic Legion By Alasdair McKay, Researcher, UK Defence Forum
The current civil war in Libya has inspired discussions about the legacy of Muammar Gaddafi's forty two year rule. The issues of his domestic policy and foreign policy towards the West have been subject to considerable debate, but lesser known aspects of his activities have been somewhat overlooked, particularly the brutality which emerged from Gaddafi's drive for regional supremacy. His ambitions became manifested in a paramilitary organization known as the Islamic Legion, which serves as the focus of this contribution. The Islamic Legion carries importance because the ruptures of this organization are still being felt today with disastrous consequences for political stability and human rights in Sub-Saharan Africa. This has been most discernable in the recent Darfur crisis, which has seen the horrendous effects of militia forces colorized with intense Arab supremacism and racism towards "non-Arabs".
The Islamic Legion was formed in 1973 – some three years after Gaddafi came to power in Libya. Inspired by the French Foreign Legion, Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to Arabize the region, and to form the Great Islamic State of the Sahel. The priorities were first Chad, and then Sudan.
Despite the Arab and Islamic-focused ambitions of the group, the Legion was comprised of individuals from various ethnic origins. Both Arabs and Africans came to Libya hoping to find a civilian job, but were instead forcefully recruited to go and fight in foreign lands.
Gaddafi dispatched legionnaires to Lebanon, Syria, Uganda and Palestine. But the Legion was to be mostly associated with the Libyan-Chadian War, where, in 1980, 7,000 legionnaires took part in the second battle of N'Djamena. Provided with inadequate military training, the legionnaires' fighting record was most noted for its ineptitude, and Gaddafi's force was essentially humiliated. The Legion was disbanded by Gaddafi in 1987 as a result of its defeats in Chad and the Libyan retreat from that country.
However,
the Legion's dissolution did not necessarily end endeavors to achieve regional Arab supremacy. The failures of the Legion led to the establishment of an organization called Tajamu al Arabi, translated as ''Arab Gathering'', which Gaddafi supported, and many of the former members of the Islamic Legion became part of this new elite assembly. The Arab Gathering has been likened to the Ku Klux Klan due to its racist ethos. The Gathering's ideology follows a doctrine known as the Qoreish, which essentially combines Arab supremacism with loose fragments of Islamism. The doctrine evokes a potent and compelling mythology concerning Arabs in the region as it traces the origin of the Juhanya Arabs back to the Prophet Muhammad. Mythologies such as this one provide a powerful way for the Arab Gathering to justify its belief that it is superior to other groups, even other Arab tribes. The ambitions of the Qoreish doctrine are concerned with power gains in Chad and Darfur through control of regional institutions and forging Machiavellian alliances.
Initially a clandestine group, the Arab Gathering finally emerged publicly in October 1987 when it sent an open letter to the then Sudanese prime minister calling for the ''Arab race'' to be given greater regional authority at the expense of the Fur and Zaghawa tribes, who were identified as "non-Arabs". The Gathering called these groups "zurga" and "abid", terms implying that they were slaves.
Indications of this drive for Arab supremacy were seen in the Gathering's clashes with the Zaghawa tribes in the 1980s when attacking Arab militias burned villages and wrote Arab nationalist slogans in the ashes. Cross-border raids continued in the years that followed and greatly contributed to a separate ethnic conflict within Darfur that killed approximately 9,000 people and saw a further 100,000 flee to Chad in 1988. The intensity of the violence practiced by these Arab militias earned them the nickname ''Janjaweed", which means "devil on a horse", from the local Masalit tribes. Many of these Janjaweed members had been trained and supported by Libya in the 1980s. As a consequence of the violence, an official Sudanese government militia, the Popular Defence Forces (PDF), was tasked with keeping order in the province.
In 2003, a new conflict in Darfur began when two rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army and the Justice and Equality Movement, began attacking Sudanese government and military installations in the province. In response to these attacks, the government of Sudan began its indiscriminate programme of arming and expanding the PDF and the Janjaweed. Most significantly though, militia recruitment now exercised discrimination based on ethnic affiliation. Only Arabs could join the militia forces and "non-Arabs" were prohibited entry. These militia forces were unleashed with brutal effect in Darfur.
Tensions between groups in Darfur had been evident for some time, but the scale of the post-2003 conflict has been greater than before partly because of the militarization of the Arab supremacist position in the region. Arab supremacy and militancy find a potent embodiment in Musa Hilal, who is recognised as both the most prominent Janjaweed leader and the head of the Arab Gathering. Operating with the backing of the Sudanese government in Khartoum, Hilal is clear in his aim to remove the "non-Arabs" from the region with his force of 20,000 fighters.
The war in Darfur has thus far killed between 178,258 and 461,520. The Janjaweed are identified as being responsible for the majority of these killings. After several investigations by NGOs and IGOs were conducted in the region, reports began to circulate evidence of war atrocities. Attacks by militia forces had been deliberately and indiscriminately directed against civilians with the impact of the attacks being resoundingly disproportionate to the threat posed by the Darfur rebels. Villages had been subjected to looting, organised burning; civilians had been raped, massacred and executed. In the areas subject to attack the population was displaced and the landscape became deserted.
The consequences of the present Darfur conflict have forced a significant response from the international community. Indeed, from Britain alone, 26,000 peacekeepers have been sent in to try and stop the violence. ....
Indications of this drive for Arab supremacy were seen in the Gathering's clashes with the Zaghawa tribes in the 1980s when attacking Arab militias burned villages and wrote Arab nationalist slogans in the ashes. Cross-border raids continued in the years that followed and greatly contributed to a separate ethnic conflict within Darfur that killed approximately 9,000 people and saw a further 100,000 flee to Chad in 1988. The intensity of the violence practiced by these Arab militias earned them the nickname ''Janjaweed", which means "devil on a horse", from the local Masalit tribes. Many of these Janjaweed members had been trained and supported by Libya in the 1980s. As a consequence of the violence, an official Sudanese government militia, the Popular Defence Forces (PDF), was tasked with keeping order in the province.. ....
According to Gaddafi's former Foreign Minister, Abdel Rahman Shalgham, the event which ultimately caused Gaddafi to give up his WMDs and nuclear weapons program was a reported 2001 message from U.S. President George W. Bush which told Gaddafi that “either you get rid of your weapons of mass destruction or [the United States] will personally destroy them and destroy everything with no discussion.”[5] Libyan officials began to meet covertly with British, Russian, and U.S. officials to officially dismantle the program. In March 2003, days before the invasion of Iraq, Gaddafi's personal envoys contacted U.S. President George W. Bush, Russian President Vladimir Putin, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair about Libya's willingness to dismantle its nuclear program.[6] Subsequently, at Gaddafi's direction, Libyan officials provided British, Russian, and U.S. diplomats with documentation and additional details on Libya's chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile activities. Libya reportedly allowed Russian, U.S., and British officials to visit 10 previously secret sites and dozens of Libyan laboratories and military factories to search for evidence of nuclear fuel cycle-related activities, and for chemical and missile programs.
Ahmed al-Senussi (arabe : أحمد الزبير الشريف) né en 1933, également connu sous le nom de Zubeir Ahmed El-Sharif, appartient à la famille royale de Libye. Il a été membre du Conseil national de transition (représentant des prisonniers politiques), apparu pendant la révolution libyenne de 2011 et dissous le 8 août 2012. Il est le petit-neveu d'Idris Ier, roi de Libye 1951 à 1969. Il tient son nom de son grand-père, Ahmed Sharif as-Senussi. Il sort diplômé de l'Académie militaire d'Irak en 1953. En 1961, il épouse sa compagne Fatilah, depuis décédée. En 1970, il commence à projeter l'idée de renverser Mouammar Kadhafi, au pouvoir depuis son coup d'État militaire un an plus tôt. Avec son frère et d'autres conspirateurs, il a cherché à remplacer le gouvernement tout en permettant au peuple de choisir entre la monarchie ou une république constitutionnelle. Cela échoue, il a été arrêté et condamné à mort. En 1988, sa peine a été commuée à 13 années d'emprisonnement. Il est resté incarcéré les neuf premières années et fréquemment torturé. Il affirmera par la suite que la torture consistait en de fréquents coups de bâtons ou de simulations de noyade. Il est finalement sorti de l'isolement, puis partage une cellule avec de nombreux autres prisonniers, dont Omar El-Hariri. Après avoir été transféré à la prison d'Abou Salim en 1984, il apprit que sa femme était morte pendant sa captivité. Il a été gracié le jour du 32e anniversaire de la prise de pouvoir par Kadhafi : détenu comme prisonnier politique pendant 31 années, jusqu'à sa libération en 2001, il est alors l'opposant politique incarcéré le plus longtemps dans l'histoire de la Libye moderne. Le 27 octobre 2011, le Parlement européen le choisit avec quatre autres personnalités arabes pour recevoir le Prix Sakharov.
As is noted this leaves-man is a barely literate scatterbrain. The issue is about whether Libyan are better off now--3 years after the murder of MG--than before.
Rather than deal with that issue the dumb punk with a brain now all much because of those leaves veers off into issues he knows nothing about. Just absolutely ridiculous.
A mind--especially on leaves--is a terrible thing to waste--especially when there was little of it start with. This jackass deserves a hearty LOL.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The issue is whether Africans are better off. The Islamic Jihadist would not stop undermining African nations and seeking to reduce black people to house-boys in their own continent.
That is why we will keep revealing MUUR stories about this your Islamic Jamahiriya master - Gadafi.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Ablah blah ablah ... This jackass deserves a hearty LOL.
Honey
Your master Kadafi often behaved like an Islamic Jihadi hyena, no kidding! Look at the mess he left in Central African Republic:
quote:Gaddafi intervened militarily in the Central African Republic in 2001 to protect his ally Ange-Félix Patassé. Patassé signed a deal giving Libya a 99-year lease to exploit all of that country's natural resources, including uranium, copper, diamonds, and oil. See Farah, Douglas (4 March 2011). "Harvard for Tyrants". Foreign Policy.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: The issue is about whether Libyan are better off now--3 years after the murder of MG--than before.
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Honey,
This is about the limbs and blood of African black people, that Kadafi your boy used as political game pieces...
Read MUUR:
Bashir says Kadhafi regime's fall 'best gift' to Sudan
Bashir's arrival in Tripoli marked his first Libya visit since Kadhafi was ousted (AFP)
Self-promoting political show man. His highest rank in the military before the coup was a lieutenant. Then he wanted to be His Imperial Majesty.. of Africa...
Jokers
"Gaddafi's strong military support and finances gained him allies across the continent. He had himself crowned with the title "King of Kings of Africa" in 2008, in the presence of over 200 African traditional rulers and kings, although his views on African political and military unification received a lukewarm response from their governments. His 2009 forum for African kings was canceled by the Ugandan hosts, who believed that traditional rulers discussing politics would lead to instability. On 1 February 2009, a 'coronation ceremony' in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, was held to coincide with the 53rd African Union Summit, at which he was elected head of the African Union for the year."
Justice will ever chase you and your Islamic political master Kadafi way into the enfer...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Wanna be illuminati. Spot the ghost in this picture:
Moral? Don't punch above your weight...
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
The destruction of Libya and the mass murder of the black Tagawan Libyans by the West and their mercenaries was a crime against humanity. The raped, lynching and killing of the Libyan President Muammar Kaddafi live on TV was barbaric and a human right violation.
Mouammar Kaddafi was a good chief of state who transformed Libya from being a poor state to the richest country in Africa with the greatest social wefare in the world. M Kaddafi wasn't a perfect leader like Western, Arabs and African chief of state he make mistakes. Kaddafi probably commited mistakes by supporting the wrong chief of states and the wrong rebel groups. Mouammar Kaddafi also did a lot of good thing. M Kaddafi was the greatest supporter of Nelson Mandela and the ANC in their fight against apartheid. Nelson Mandela was grateful to Kaddafi until the end.
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I think the Israeli, Lebanese and South African diamonds dealer were responsible for the Liberian and Sierra Leone civil war were Fode Sanko barbarian guerilla was cutting the hand of African people. I cant blame Kaddafi, the Israeli and Lebanese diamond dealers for an African guerilla cutting the hands of their African brothers and sisters. Fode Sanko and his guerilla was a bunch of evil and self hating people.
Mouammar Kaddafi open the door of his country for millions of black Africans workers. No other countries in North Africa and West Asia would have done the same thing. He gave African countries $400 million to buy their first satellite. The reason the USA, the UK and France destroyed Libya and murdered M Kaddafi was because he was planning to create an African gold dinar currency and an African bank that would have challenge the petrodollar and the Franc CFA fraud.
The Libyan president Muammar Kaddafi good and bad achievements should be weighted in the balance of Goddess Maat. I think M Kaddafi good achievements on earth weigh more then his mistakes.
3 years of the destruction of Libya by the West and the lynching of the black Libyans Libya is not better. Libya went from being the Switzerland of Africa aka the richest state in Africa into a failed state divided between guerillas and Islamic terrorist groups. Remember the USA ambassador was lynched by the Libyan terrorist groups. Libyan Islamic terrorists are destabilizing africa attacking Mali, Nigeria, RCA, Algeria etc. The guerilla and terrorists groups are selling Libyan oil to foreign countries without the approval of the central government.
James Davidson list Muammar Kaddafi achievements. Libya nickname the Switzerland of North Africa was the most successful capitalist-socialist country in modern history. The Libyan Jamahariya state should be a model for all the countries in the world. Libyan social capitalist achievements was:
0% interest bank loan 50% government subsidy in buying a car (who doesn't like that) Everyone in Libya was housed (rent is very expensive in USA big cities) Every month every Libyan received $400 from the sale of oil. (Only in Muslim countries, The Saudi, Kuwaiti governments also used to give their people free money) Free education from kindergarten to post graduate school (students in the USA have $900 billion of school debt) Free healthcare in Libya. Unemployed Libyan professional was paid the market salary for their profession by the government until they find a job. If a Libyan want to be a farmer the government gave them free land, house, tools, seeds etc. Electricity and water was free 15 cents would buy 40 loaves of bread(best way to eliminate world hunger) gallons of gas cost 15 cents Libya had zero debt, 144 tons of gold reserve, great surplus and low crime. Libya had 6000 years supply of underground fresh water. Libya canal and irrigation system that took water from the desert underground reserve to the coastal cities was called the eight wonder of the world. Libya was in the process of creating an African currency back up by gold call gold dinar.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
If what Mena posted is true about the currency part...Then of course thats the reason why Europe and the USA attacked Gaddafi. They like how Napeloen said about Hati, Dont want Blacks coming up or having a sense of pride, without white involvement.
Think about it people. Libya was the bastion of doing it the right way in there country....All the good things and I will repost them show just how wealthy they were.
To claim that Gadaafi is responsible for African children losing limbs is a stretch but could be true too.
But we know that MANY Lebenese live and work in the diamond trade and most diamonds go to the west...rarely stays in africa.
Also none can attack gadaffi without attacking most african rulers...Mandela SUPPORTED gadaffi for one..and also we have African leaders who spen money on HUGE Churches(I think the largest in the world....they also steal from the people.
Look at Angola and its corruption...Has one of the highest discrpenceys in wealth between the haves ad the have nots.
Gabon people are poor, children(20%) dont reach the age of 5 and yet its regarded as one of the highest GDP in Africa. This aint Qaddafi faults and pointing out his problem while ignoring the problem of others is just one sided.
Why did Mali now fight terrorist, Why Algeria attacked...Why Did the Central African Republic almost in civil war...why is libyas weapons being blamed for violence in other continents.
Fact is that there is nothing called a perfect leader..Point out his faults is one thing...point out the good is another.
Africans found jobs in Libya and Libya hosted them meanwhile the rest of north africa dispises SSAs.
I guess we will have to wait to see if this is for the best of Africa and Libya
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: ....
I think the Israeli, Lebanese and South African diamonds dealer were responsible for the Liberian and Sierra Leone civil war were Fode Sanko barbarian guerilla was cutting the hand of African people. I cant blame Kaddafi, the Israeli and Lebanese diamond dealers for an African guerilla cutting the hands of their African brothers and sisters. Fode Sanko and his guerilla was a bunch of evil and self hating people.
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mena7 do you have evidence of this? If so post it, if not go back and read my posts slowly. Are you sure of what you are repeating???
Don't forget that Mandela wined and dined with many of his enemies... and made friends with all nations
Yet, South Africa and Nigeria were the two African countries that constantly called Kadafi to order.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUUR information about Gaddhafi and Foday Sankoh:
After his expulsion from Sierra Leone’s army for involvement in an attempted coup, Foday Sankoh traveled to Libya where Muammar Gaddafi provided him with guerilla training along with many other West African rebel leaders. Upon his return to Sierra Leone, he formed the Revolutionary United Front (RUF), a guerrilla group bent on wresting power from President Joseph Momoh through military coup. His force was composed of a peculiar set of individuals. It lacked support from any particular national, social, or ethnic group. Rather, the RUF was made up of an eclectic group of uneducated and alienated bandits in pursuit of personal gain (“Revolutionary”). Among the list of Africa’s greatest terrorizers Sankoh was not known for having killed the greatest number of his countrymen but for killing the most cruelly. His soldiers were known to regularly cut off hands and feet, so that victims would be unable to grow rice that might later feed government soldiers. Hands were specifically cut off to prevent voting in national elections. At times, his soldiers would bet on the sex of an unborn baby and then proceed to cut the mother open to find out (Economist). Sankoh was captured by a mob in 2000 and handed over to international court. He appeared to have gone insane while in captivity and eventually died of a stroke in July of 2012 (Economist).
Never again: Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Give some of Gaddafi’s held money to Sierra Leone and Liberia
By Kofi Akosah-Sarpong
US Congressman Brad Sherman (Democrat, California) thinks in the wake of NATO’s expensive operations in Libya to contain Muammar Gaddafi’s attempts to kill protestors and the budget battle on Capitol Hill, the seized Gaddafi money, totaling over US$100 billion, should be used to pay for the Libyan no fly zone operations. That makes sense because of the humanitarian nature of the operations.
What also makes sense, humanly, are some Sierra Leoneans and Liberians at home and abroad campaigning for some of Gaddafi’s apprehended money be given to their struggling country as mandated by the United Nations Special Court for Sierra Leone.
Short of charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes the UN Special Court for Sierra Leone authorized Gaddafi to pay compensations for the victims of the civil war some of whom were murdered, raped, maimed and mutilated.
Over a million Sierra Leoneans and Liberian were killed as a result of the Gaddafi induced war. Gaddafi did train, finance and encourage the deadly rebel groups Revolutionary United Front (RUF) and the National Patriotic Front of Liberia.
Swinging between sanity and insanity, Gaddafi came to the agonizing conclusion that he has caused irreparable damages to some Africans and decided to give some sort of financial aid.
Gibril Koroma, the Sierra Leonean publisher of the Vancouver, British Columbia based thepatrioticvanguard.com, making the case for Sierra Leonean victims wrote that, “A couple of years ago, Gaddafi realized he had hurt Africa too much and he started what he may have considered a reconciliation process by giving away millions of dollars in raw cash and all sorts of other gifts like cars and tractors to African leaders. He has also been financing the United States of Africa project scheduled to kick off by 2017.”
But the real victims of Gaddafi’s atrocities – amputations, murders, raping, maiming and mutilations – the ordinary, innocent Sierra Leoneans and Liberians did not receive any of what Gibril Koroma indicated. Now is the time for them to get their compensations direct from Gaddafi’s looted billions. Their case is as reasonable and human as US Congressman Brad Sherman’s arguments for NATO.
The Sierra Leonean journalist and academic Aroun Rashid Deen, currently a doctoral candidate at New York University, in making the case for Gaddafi to pay compensation to Sierra Leonean and Liberian fatalities, argued that “Muammar Gaddafi was the mastermind and key financier of the brutal war that left hundreds of thousands dead in Sierra Leone in West Africa in the 1990s.
The war would not have happened in the first place had it not been for the desire of the Libyan leader to punish the government of Sierra Leone for what he regarded as its siding with the West in the 1980’s when Gaddafi was at loggerhead with particularly the United States and Britain.
“It was also part of Gaddafi’s broader agenda including his geopolitical ambition to destabilize much of West Africa and establish satellite states in the region to be headed by puppet regimes that will be doing his biddings. The decade-long war ripped Sierra Leone apart. Thousands of its victims, whose arms and limbs were chopped off by rebels, were reduced to paupers, roaming the streets as beggars in Freetown and other cities. Children as young as a day old were also among those whose arms and limbs were hacked off by Gaddafi’s rebels. Pregnant women, too, were disemboweled with delight in their display of ghastly brutality.”
Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"
Qaddafi's latest gambit: Convince the European public that they really want him to stick around, with all the stability that entails.
He spoke today to TV network France 24.
This quote (via Reuters) certainly stands out:
"There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean."
Bear in mind that after the fall of Tunisia's Ben Ali, Italy has seen a wave of immigrants that continue today.
Gadaffi started a war in Sierra Leone and had children maimed and killed and people are saying that he is a good man..I did not even know about this bullshit.
Really a Leader destabilized Liberia and Sierra Leone simply because they sided with the west and not with that stupid country Libya???
Filthy and disgusting...When your anger falls upon the children you have no legs to stand on.
Thanks Ironlion for clearing that up.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
King, You know nothing about the war in Sierra Leone. Don't be put off by the stuoide chatter of a dissolute leaves smoker wo one day never set foot in Africa.
The wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone with the CIA sponsored coup against Tolbert in Liberia. At that time the CIA had the biggest tracking station in Africa in Liberia at that time. Why? Because Tolbert let loose some chatter about Pan African cooperation just after the OAU held its conference there. The coup was led my the near illiterate Samuel Doe who was ushered in and recognised by the U.S. as the new President of Liberia. Before that 13 members of Tolbert's government regime[mainly of the Americo-Liberian group[called "Congos" in Liberia] were executed at South Beach, Monrovia. The U.S. government then went ahead to recognise Doe's government.
Doe's reign was ruinous and very corrupt. This led to a number of attempted coups and rebellions. Charles Taylor was a U.S. educated member of Doe's government who was eventually dismissed for embezzlement of $1 million. Taylor fled to the U.S. where he was arrested on an extradition charge.
But Doe's rule was so corrupt and violent that the U.S. quietly figured that Taylor could be their new puppet in Liberia. He was allowed to escape from prison and flew to Ivory Coast where he was supported by long-term U.S. ally and friend Houphouet Boigny--on U.S. promptings.
Taylor then mounted a war against Doe with support from prominent Liberians including the current President of Liberia, Nobel Prize winner, Helen Johnson-Sirleaf, and very close friend and ally of the U.S.
In the civil war that ensued Doe was eventually caught and tortured to death. Elections were held to stop the war and Taylor won. He was still being supported by Helen Sirleaf Johnson. The U.S. recognised the Taylor regime.
The war in Sierra Leone began in Eastern Sierra Leone and a chronology of events according to reports show that there is no mention of Libya being involved in the war and political events that took place from 1991 to 2002. The countries playing roles in the war are the U.S.[ following its secret release of Taylor], Nigeria, South Africa, Britain, Canada, Britain, and others.
The atrocities committed by the crazy, drug riddled RUF were of their OWN independent volition.
The point is that nowhere in the reliable Africa Confidential document and the BBC[they lie and distort for the British government when necessary] is there any mention of Libya.
Libya's foreign policy at the time was to counter American and French imperialism and neocolonialism at the time. Both Liberia and Chad were areas where both Western nations were involved.
Charles once traveled to Libya for so-called "training in guerrilla warfare"--but the details on that are fuzzy. For many years the West has claimed that the Lockerbie air disaster was mounted by Libya. But the vile West knew all along that it was Iran--but pinned the blame on Libya.
But the U.S. and its puppet government Canada are heavily involved in the wicked NATO destruction of Libya and their on-going wicked efforts to destroy Syria. Now they are pushing for war against Russia. What are they but fomentors of despicable crimes against humanity--under colour of BS talk about democracy.
The silly chatter by the leaves-smoker is just meant to distract from the posted issue. It should be obvious that anyone who talks stupidly about "Muurs" and supports a stupid cult whose main activities in life are laze around drugged out on leaves and to run degradingly after pale/pink females should not be taken seriously at all. What you have here is a dizzy and confused fantasist mouthing off on matters it/he/she knows almost zero about.
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi is infamous for abuses he has inflicted on his own people but less well known is a campaign of carnage he inspired across Africa and Latin America.
(Sands of time: Rebels hostile to the regime of Col Gaddafi emerge from the desert where once he trained future tyrants)
At the height of his power, Col Muammar Gaddafi was singled out by MI5 as the greatest state-sponsored terror threat of the 1980s.
It was a time when the Libyan leader is said to have become bound to repressive regimes and armed movements worldwide.
Flush with oil money, Gaddafi orchestrated a training campaign for students who became brutal warlords in Africa, a legacy which leaves the region unstable today, according to Douglas Farah, senior fellow at the International Assessment And Strategy Center in Virginia, US.
The national security consultant and analyst says: ‘Gaddafi’s World Revolutionary Center (WRC) near Benghazi, Libya, became, as scholar Stephen Ellis noted in his 2001 book, The Mask Of Anarchy, the “Harvard and Yale of a whole generation of African revolutionaries”, many of them the continent’s most notorious tyrants.’
The desert training camps taught weapons and intelligence techniques, with doses of ideology from Gaddafi’s Green Book.
‘Courses lasted from a few weeks to more than a year, depending on the level of specialisation and rank one had,’ says Farah.
‘In addition to the African contingents, Gaddafi’s cells trained the Sandinistas from Nicaragua, along with other Latin American revolutionary movements and, in the process, built an enduring relationship with Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez.
Gaddafi, Ortega and Chávez also developed close ties with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc), a terrorist group reportedly producing more than half of the world’s cocaine.’
At the WRC in the 1980s and 1990s, a select group of students formed a fraternity who provided mutual support in their ruthless campaigns for power.
‘That network still wields considerable influence today through its alumni still in power, including Blaise Compaoré of Burkina Faso and Idriss Déby of Chad,’ says Farah.
‘His closest ally in Africa was Robert Mugabe , who although not a WRC product, has been propped up by Libyan donations and subsidised oil shipments.’
Muammar Gaddafi and Robert Mugabe Libyan leader Gaddafi embraces Zimbabwe leader Robert Mugabe Relations have been more strained recently as Zimbabwe could not repay its Libyan debts.
However, Farah says: ‘Gaddafi has done well out of his investments, acquiring at least 20 luxurious properties and a stake in some of the few still-viable state enterprises after riding to Mugabe’s rescue.
Gaddafi also intervened militarily in the Central African Republic in 2001.
The president he protected, Ange-Félix Patassé, signed a deal giving Libya a 99-year lease to exploit all of the country’s natural resources, including uranium, copper, diamonds and oil.’
Farah, a former West Africa bureau chief for The Washington Post, adds: ‘Liberia, a US stronghold in the Cold War, was also targeted after a US bombing attack in 1986 against Libya killed one of Gaddafi’s adopted daughters.
‘Gaddafi recruited Liberia’s Charles Taylor, who is now standing trial for crimes against humanity, including the abduction of children for combat, systematic rape and mass murder.
‘Another recruit, Foday Sankoh of Sierra Leone’s Revolutionary United Front (RUF), would be standing trial in the same court for similar crimes had he not died of natural causes.’
Sankoh formed the RUF under Taylor’s auspices and together they pioneered their signature atrocity in the 1990s.
‘The amputation of the arms and legs of men, women, and children as part of a scorched-earth campaign was designed to take over the region’s rich diamond fields and was backed by Gaddafi, who routinely reviewed their progress and supplied weapons,’ says Farah.
Compaoré, the current president of Burkina Faso, is another WRC graduate.
In 1987, troops loyal to him assassinated his best friend, president Thomas Sankara, to pave the way for him to take power.
Compaoré sent troops and resources to back both Taylor’s insurgency in Liberia and the RUF in Sierra Leone.
A 2002 United Nations investigation found Compaoré played a significant role in arming them in violation of a UN arms embargo.
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Excerpted with permission from global politics and economics magazine Foreign Policy. www.foreignpolicy.com
Following Muammar al-Gaddafi's suggestion of a break-up of Nigeria in the wake of the crisis around Jos, Horace Campbell unpacks the Libyan leader's claims to operate in the interests of African unity. Muammar al-Gaddafi has established himself as an enemy of the unification of the peoples of Africa for over 40 years. Last week, Gaddafi exceeded his conservative instincts when he stated before a group of young students that Nigeria should be split in two. Instead of motivating the students to work for the transformation and unification of the peoples of Nigeria as one prerequisite for the unification of Africa, Gaddafi called for the country to be divided on religious grounds. He exposed his ignorance of African religious and spiritual traditions because there was no room for followers of African religious beliefs in his call for the division of this society. This call for the division of Nigeria is one more effort to break up Nigerian society so that this society is weakened and its people subjected to more exploitation and manipulation. For 40 years Gaddafi had supported the butchers and dictators in Africa. Starting with his military support for Idi Amin of Uganda and other murderers such as Foday Sankoh and Charles Taylor, this militarist in Libya was an obstacle to African liberation. For a short while after Nelson Mandela rescued him from obscurity, Gaddafi had sought to use his wealth to buy the leadership of the African Union (AU). He was made to understand that the unity of Africa was more profound than the meeting of leaders of states. The statements of Gadafi on Nigeria must be condemned in the strongest terms and it is time to strip away the fallacy that Gaddafi stood in the ranks of African revolutionary leadership.
Gaddafi is energetically seeking to replace the legacy of Kwame Nkrumah. Although he cannot point to a text as powerful as Nkrumah's book, 'Africa Must Unite', Gaddafi has used his oil wealth to suborn a group of sycophantic African leaders who have heaped praise on his leadership. For the past 10 years, the image of Gaddafi as the leader of the African Union has been promoted by a fawning group of leaders in Africa, and the international media was only too willing to oblige in order to obliterate the traditions of Marcus Garvey, W.E.B. DuBois, Kwame Nkrumah, Amílcar Cabral, Cheikh Anta Diop, Frantz Fanon, Patrice Lumumba and Samora Machel, who were strong advocates of African unity. Gaddafi himself used the oil resources of Libya to harness the support of servile self-seekers who refused to pay their dues to the OAU (Organisation of African Unity) and AU while salting away billions in foreign banks.
Progressive Pan-Africanists supported the project of the unification of the peoples of Africa in order to transcend the Berlinist state in Africa. By the 'Berlinist state', we mean those states that were carved out at the Berlin Conference in 1885. In reality, the progressive Pan-African project seeks to build on the ideas of Cheikh Anta Diop in relation to the psychological, linguistic and cultural unity of Africa. The people have always been for unity because they do not respect the colonial borders. One does not have to ask the Maasai whether they respect the borders between Kenya and Tanzania, or ask the Makonde whether they respect the false division of their communities. Anthony Asiwaju has written on the full impact of partitioned Africa, and the task of Pan-Africanists at home and abroad is to now build on the work of those who will work to end the divisions of the peoples. African women at the grassroots are opposed to the borders and the traders show that no colonial borders can restrain them.
It is the present leaders who are maintaining the borders in order to maintain themselves in power. There are many questions in Africa that urgently require cooperation across the false borders. Environmental degradation, tsetse fly infestation, HIV/AIDS and malaria know no border. Confronting these challenges requires new thinking and new leadership. The project of African unity is one which in the short run will require the replacement of most of the leaders in Africa, and the building of a new leadership from the grassroots.
It is time to draw a line between those so-called leaders and the people of Africa. Gaddafi himself has drawn the line by exposing the fact that he is opposed to the unity of the peoples of Africa. From the time he came to power in 1969, Gaddafi has wittingly and unwittingly served the interest of the enemies of Africa. He has also served as an enemy of the Palestinian people.
SUPPORTING BUTCHERS
When Gaddafi seized power in September 1969, there were divisions among Western political circles about the meaning of his assumption of power. After Gaddafi nationalised foreign oil companies, the US identified him as a dangerous radical, but the European imperial forces saw his assumption of power as a force to support anti-communism. Gaddafi in the early 1970s presented himself as a follower of Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Libya used the oil resources to increase the standard of living of the ordinary Libyan people and Gaddafi declared Libya to be the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. However, very soon the revolutionary rhetoric, when stripped away, revealed a megalomaniac person who interfered in the internal affairs of genuine liberation movements. Gaddafi soon alienated the Egyptian people, as well as the Palestinian people, by seeking to meddle in the internal affairs of the resistance forces in Palestine.
On the African continent, Gaddafi became the friend of the worst dictators. His relationship with Idi Amin, who regime murdered more than 300,000, stands out in this regard. The Libyan Arab Bank financed the ventures of Idi Amin’s henchmen and the Libyan army fought alongside Idi Amin’s army when Amin invaded Tanzania in 1978. This attack on Tanzania was an effort by Amin to divert attention from the struggle against apartheid and colonialism in Rhodesia and South Africa. Tanzania had been the frontline state bearing the brunt of the fight against the white racist apartheid government. In the midst of this war against apartheid, Amin attacked Tanzania. Algeria supported Tanzania and Mozambique who were clear on the reasons for the Ugandan attack. The Libyan and Ugandan army were roundly defeated by the Tanzanian forces. When Libyan soldiers were captured, Gaddafi attempted to buy them back from Tanzania. But Nyerere returned these prisoners of war, and said that there should not be a price on human beings.
DISAPPEARANCE OF MUSA AL-SADR
In the same period when Gaddafi was supporting Idi Amin, Sayyid Mūsá al-Ṣadr, a well-known Islamic cleric from Lebanon, disappeared when he was on a visit to Libya in 1978. Musa al-Sadr had acted as a unifier and reconciler within Lebanon. His patient work among the Shia and Sunni communities had ensured that war did not break out between these two communities. Musa al-Sadr was invited to Libya in 1978 and has since disappeared. Since his absence from the Lebanese scene, the society has plunged into conflicts and wars for 30 years. Once divided and weakened, the Israelis and the Falangists took advantage of the absence of Musa al-Sadr to perpetuate war. The Israeli army has also been a direct beneficiary of the disappearance of Musa al-Sadr. Gaddafi has a lot to answer for in the context of the wars in Lebanon. It is with the knowledge of the disappearance of Musa al-Sadr that Africans have to denounce in the strongest terms the call by Gaddafi for the break-up of Nigeria.
GADDAFI’S TEMPORARY REHABILITATION
During the anti-apartheid struggle, most leaders in Africa had to support liberation, and Gaddafi did give moral, material and military support to freedom fighters in southern Africa. But this support for African freedom fighters did not end the mischief-making and interference of Gaddafi. In the early 1980s, Gaddafi was supporting butchers in Sudan, Chad and other parts of Africa. Despite this mischief, Gaddafi was able to get the support of freedom fighters because the US government under Ronald Reagan bombed Libya in 1986. This imperial bombing garnered more support for Gaddafi and gave him credibility as an 'anti-imperialist' leader. Because of the ambiguous nature of his leadership, Libya was caught in the middle of the Lockerbie disaster when the Pan Am 103 plane was blown over Scotland. After the Lockerbie incident, Libya was placed on the list of states sponsoring terrorism.
MANDELA’S INTERVENTION IN 1997
Nelson Mandela had been branded a terrorist by the West, so he worked hard to clear the matter of the Lockerbie bombing. He successfully negotiated with the G7 so that the impasse between the West and Libya was significantly watered down. This intervention by Mandela to bring clarity to the question did not clear the cloud over exactly what happened in Lockerbie. Although two Libyans were later tried in a neutral country where one of them was convicted, their lawyer continued to claim their innocence. This issue remained murky because at the time of the bombing in 1988, the Western media had blamed Syria and Iran, among others, as culprits.
GADDAFI AND THE AFRICAN UNION
As a result of Mandela’s intervention, Gaddafi, who previously had been parading himself as a leader of the Arab world, now presented himself as a great leader of Africa, and convened an extraordinary summit of the OAU in Sirte in 1999. The fact that between 1999 and 2002 the Constitutive Act of the African Union was written and ratified is now history, and Gaddafi deserves credit for his leadership on this. But at the same time, while he was working for the unity of Africa, Gaddafi was financing butchers such as Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh. Other dictators such as Yoweri Museveni of Uganda and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe were supported by Gaddafi. In fact, when democratic forces in Uganda and Zimbabwe were involved in a prolonged struggle to end dictatorship, Gaddafi said a revolutionary should never retire.
The contradictory utterances of Gaddafi must be analysed against the real actions of the Libyan state in relation to African peoples. Many Pan-Africanists cheered when Libya successfully pressured the Italians to consider the reparative claims of Libya and to return Libyan cultural artefacts. Libya was also promised US$5 billion by Italy. However, this reparative claim was overshadowed by the realisation that the Libyans had made an agreement with the Italians to act as the police for the Italians to control the movements of African immigrants. These agreements between Libya and Italy reinforced in the minds of the African youth the fact that Libya was a hostile place for Africans who believed in Africa for the Africans. Hostile relations between African immigrants and Libyans resulted in the deaths of hundreds of African immigrants in Libya. As a leader who claimed the mantle of Pan-African leadership, Gaddafi needed to give clearer leadership to his people on the question of xenophobia. Some of our Pan-African brothers and sisters condemned Gaddafi as an Arab, but one must see his actions as similar to the leadership of Thabo Mbeki. Mbeki spoke and wrote on African renaissance but refused to give leadership when xenophobic violence broke out against African immigrants. Gaddafi is like many African leaders who speak publicly about African unity but persecute Africans who seek to work and live in other parts of Africa.
While serving as chairman of the African Union, Gaddafi contravened the African Commission on Human and People’s Rights. There was the execution of African migrants in Libya, and putting many on death row in Libya. Indeed, Gaddafi’s tenure as chair of the AU represented a low period for African progressives. His rambling and undisciplined presentation at the United Nations in 2009 was a poor reflection on Africa. But his presence in the USA was a result of a new alliance between the oil barons in the USA and the Libyan government. After the French government mooted the establishment of the Mediterranean Union to counter the United States in Africa, sections of the US ruling circles started to court Gaddafi. Since the visit of Condoleezza Rice to Tripoli, Gaddafi has been silent in his opposition to AFRICOM. In May 2006 Time Magazine said that George W. Bush and Gaddafi see ‘eye to eye'.
Last week, Gaddafi exposed himself very clearly when he called for the division of Nigeria along religious lines. Progressive Pan-Africanists condemned this statement and joined with the Nigerian people who reject this call for division. Nigerian youths and progressives will work to end religious, regional and ethnic manipulations. Religion, ethnicity and regional ideologies are not in themselves political factors. They become so in circumstances where the people’s forces are weakened. The call by Gaddafi is for the weakening of the people’s forces in Nigeria at precisely a moment when Nigeria should be building unity, peace and reconstruction. Gaddafi is an obstacle to the unification of African peoples. African unity is not for sale.
Charles [Taylor] once traveled to Libya for so-called "training in guerrilla warfare"--but the details on that are fuzzy. ....
Never again!!:
Honey
You just shot yourself in the mouth..
Case closed!
quote: Taylor managed to flee the United States and shortly thereafter it is assumed that he went to Libya, where he underwent guerrilla training under Muammar Gaddafi, becoming Gaddafi's protégé .[17] Eventually, he left Libya and traveled to the Ivory Coast, where he founded the National Patriotic Front of Liberia (NPFL).
In December 1989, Taylor launched a Gaddafi-funded armed uprising from the Ivory Coast into Liberia to overthrow the Doe regime, leading to the First Liberian Civil War.)
Wikipedia
quote: I think many Liberians thought, that Taylor's war would be short, sharp and successful.
He had the backing of Libya's Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and some of Liberia's near neighbours.
Charles Taylor spent eight years fighting in the bush
He had money, guns, and ammunition and, at first, considerable popular support.
But it took him more than eight years to make it to the presidency - by which time thousands had died and the country lay in ruins.
quote:The defense for Liberian warlord Charles Taylor said today the war crimes trial was politically motivated "neocolonialism" and asked why Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi does not face a similar court.
"This was a court, ostensibly and publicly, set up, we are told, to try those who bear the greatest responsibility," Taylor's lead counsel Courtenay Griffiths told the court in his closing arguments. "So why is Colonel Moammar Gadhafi not in the dock?"
Fool, any defence lawyers in any case can ask any set of BS questions. Do you have a brain or not? I am just getting tired of your arrant stupidities. Grow a new brain and stay off the leaves and leave the pink ladies alone.
The RUF got their arms and ideology from right inside Sierra Leone. The jackass will never know that. Now run off and smoke some leaves. LOL. Always the dumb-arsed MUUR to peddle useless nonsense.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Charles Taylor, Qaddafi goon, found guilty of war crimes in Sierra Leone
Charles Taylor, former president of Liberia was found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Sierra Leone by the Special Court established jointly the United Nations and the government of Sierra Leone today.
When the trial first started, many demanded that Mummar Qaddafi stand trial for these crimes along side of Charles Taylor because Taylor and his band were trained in Libya and his campaign of terror was backed and financed by Qaddafi. What Taylor did was just one part of a larger criminal enterprise carried out in West Africa that created turmoil in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Guinea and Côte d'Ivoire, and was organized and funded by Mummar Gaddafi in Libya.
The NY Times reported on the verdict this morning:
THE HAGUE — Charles G. Taylor, the former president of Liberia and once a powerful warlord, was convicted by an international tribunal on Thursday of 11 counts of planning, aiding and abetting war crimes committed in Sierra Leone during that country’s civil war in the 1990s. He is the first head of state to be convicted by an international court since the Nuremberg trials after World War II. The ruling, announced by Presiding Judge Richard Lussick of Samoa, said Mr. Taylor was guilty of involvement in crimes against humanity and war crimes including murder, rape, slavery and the use of child soldiers. The court, however, said the prosecution failed to prove that Mr. Taylor had direct command responsibility for the atrocities in the indictment.
The story is all over the news now. You'll find an Al Jazeera YouTube video, a link to the diary that broke the story on the Daily Kos and more about the Qaddafi connection below the fold.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Fool, any defence lawyers in any case can ask any set of BS questions. Do you have a brain or not? I am just getting tired of your arrant stupidities. Grow a new brain and stay off the leaves and leave the pink ladies alone.
The RUF got their arms and ideology from right inside Sierra Leone. The jackass will never know that. Now run off and smoke some leaves. LOL. Always the dumb-arsed MUUR to peddle useless nonsense.
Honey,
Smell the coffee..
quote: By Ramata Soré
On March 9 and 11, in Leidschendam near The Hague (Netherlands), the trial against Charles Taylor came to close. Taylor has been accused for allegedly arming and supporting Sierra Leonean rebels during the country’s civil war.
This trial has lasted about three years. This paper summurizes the minutes of the trial’s closing arguments. The Court’s sentence about the case will be made before the end of this year.
During the trial, Prosecutor Nicholas Koumjian told the judges that leaders such as Muammar Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré of Burkina Faso had also supported the RUF, but it remained “a proxy army under one person, Charles Taylor.” But, Gaddafi, Compaoré, “helped build that web [of the crimes in Sierra Leone] and they helped maintain that web through Charles Taylor. The international community did not go to Gaddafi, did not go to Blaise Compaoré; they went to Charles Taylor, because he’s the one who had control over the leaders of these groups that were perpetuating such horrific crimes.”
According to Koumjian, “the involvement of Muammar Gaddafi and Blaise Compaoré has been proven… certainly there is evidence that these individuals or the governments that they headed aided the RUF.”
... Koumjian said, “the arms and ammunition came from either Burkina Faso or Libya.”
Also he mentioned the fact that the defense cited the UN panel report, in relation to General Diendéré from Burkina Faso, “who signed the end user certificate for shipment of arms to Burkina Faso in February 1999.”
Also, the prosecution said that based on evidence from the UN panel of experts, the March 1999 shipment was Ukrainian arms routed through Burkina Faso. This fact was confirmed by a testimony of a witness who was present on that delivery of arms from Burkina Faso to Liberia.
“This was a court, ostensibly and publicly, set up, we are told, to try those who bear the greatest responsibility. So why is Colonel Muammar Gaddafi not in the dock?” Courtenay Griffiths, Taylor’s lawyer said.
During his statement, Griffiths insisted on the fact that Ghaddafi is one of the key people by whom the war strengthened in Sierra Leone.
He mentioned a handwritten letter dated the 4th of December. It’s from Corporal Foday Sankoh, leader of the RUF to brother Mohammed Talibi, People’s Bureau of Libyan Arab People’s Jamahiriya, Accra, Ghana. In this letter Sankoh wrote that the officials of Burkina Faso “really have not shown any keen interest in assisting us as a movement. I even had conversation with Commandant Diendéré these few days but with no positive results. I would therefore suggest that you prepare a letter for me to meet President Compaoré on this issue, as we never received anything from them, and even my delegates at Ouagadougou have returned ever since to my location here. Please advise on this issue.”
To Griffiths, justice should be applied equally to all, “whether you are a princess or a prostitute, whether you are the president of the United States or the President of Liberia, the law is above you that should be the guiding principle.”
Griffiths called the trial against his client Taylor a “selective prosecution […] politically motivated.”
Griffiths stressed the fact that David Crane, the first prosecutor at the UN-backed SCSL, said Muammar Gaddafi was responsible for the conflicts in West Africa.
quote:That same year, I traveled to Burkina Faso, where Qaddafi had flown to celebrate the seizure of power by a charismatic young army captain, Thomas Sankara, who he clearly saw as a promising understudy.
They met at a military base near the border with Ghana. From there, Sankara's comrade, Blaise Compaoré had recently rallied paratroopers to free Sankara from detention and install him as president.
When I showed up, Qaddafi, surrounded by his famous all female bodyguard corps, angrily objected to my presence and demanded that Sankara not allow an American to ride with the motorcade for their triumphal, flag-waving trip to the capital, Ouagadougou. Sankara, who already knew me well, insisted on my presence. Four years later, he would be dead, murdered by Compaoré, it is widely believed, with Qaddafi's encouragement.
The Libyan's determination to eliminate his erstwhile protégé had nothing to do with me, of course. Most signs point instead to Sankara's refusal to acquiesce in a much bigger decision: to sponsor an invasion of Liberia by Charles Taylor, a leader who is now before the Hague on war crime charges related to his instigation of what would go on to become one of Africa's most horrific conflicts.
Taylor, a kindred megalomaniac, who was trained and financed by Libya, invaded Liberia in 1989. A few years later, I would cover that war for The New York Times as well, watching the rebel leader ride one of the first mass deployments of child soldiers into power.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Who killed Tomas Sankara?
MOMO: My boss told me to approach Sankara for help in taking power in Liberia. In return, he offered lucrative business opportunities. Thomas Sankara told him he was not interested and asked him to leave the country. He told him that he would not help and asked him to find another staging point for his rebellion. Guengere, who is currently Burkina Faso’s minister of defence, Blaise Compaoré, Charles Taylor, and Chad’s current president … you know who he is?
SILVESTRO: Yes.
MOMO: Yes, him too.
SILVESTRO: Yes.
MOMO: They all met in Mauritania for a whole day … after a while they were joined by a white man from Paris. The discussions carried on, and then there was another meeting in Libya, where the Sankara problem was discussed some more. What emerged was that if we were to use Burkina Faso as a launching pad, Sankara had to be eliminated. Blaise Compaoré, would become president, and he would help us…
SILVESTRO: And was Gaddafi okay with the plan?
MOMO: Yes, yes … please remember, this must all remain confidential.
SILVESTRO: Yes, yes…
MOMO: If Gaddafi helped Taylor, and France sent word that they were in support of the coup d’état … better yet, if France provided funds and indicated that they would recognise Compaoré’s government, then all was well. Blaise told Guengere, the current Burkinabe army chief to avail a group of commandos, Taylor provided other troops, and the coup was staged.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: King, You know nothing about the war in Sierra Leone. Don't be put off by the stuoide chatter of a dissolute leaves smoker wo one day never set foot in Africa.
The wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone with the CIA sponsored coup against Tolbert in Liberia. At that time the CIA had the biggest tracking station in Africa in Liberia at that time. Why? Because Tolbert let loose some chatter about Pan African cooperation just after the OAU held its conference there. The coup was led my the near illiterate Samuel Doe who was ushered in and recognised by the U.S. as the new President of Liberia. Before that 13 members of Tolbert's government regime[mainly of the Americo-Liberian group[called "Congos" in Liberia] were executed at South Beach, Monrovia. The U.S. government then went ahead to recognise Doe's government.
Doe's reign was ruinous and very corrupt. This led to a number of attempted coups and rebellions. Charles Taylor was a U.S. educated member of Doe's government who was eventually dismissed for embezzlement of $1 million. Taylor fled to the U.S. where he was arrested on an extradition charge.
But Doe's rule was so corrupt and violent that the U.S. quietly figured that Taylor could be their new puppet in Liberia. He was allowed to escape from prison and flew to Ivory Coast where he was supported by long-term U.S. ally and friend Houphouet Boigny--on U.S. promptings.
Taylor then mounted a war against Doe with support from prominent Liberians including the current President of Liberia, Nobel Prize winner, Helen Johnson-Sirleaf, and very close friend and ally of the U.S.
In the civil war that ensued Doe was eventually caught and tortured to death. Elections were held to stop the war and Taylor won. He was still being supported by Helen Sirleaf Johnson. The U.S. recognised the Taylor regime.
The war in Sierra Leone began in Eastern Sierra Leone and a chronology of events according to reports show that there is no mention of Libya being involved in the war and political events that took place from 1991 to 2002. The countries playing roles in the war are the U.S.[ following its secret release of Taylor], Nigeria, South Africa, Britain, Canada, Britain, and others.
The atrocities committed by the crazy, drug riddled RUF were of their OWN independent volition.
The point is that nowhere in the reliable Africa Confidential document and the BBC[they lie and distort for the British government when necessary] is there any mention of Libya.
Libya's foreign policy at the time was to counter American and French imperialism and neocolonialism at the time. Both Liberia and Chad were areas where both Western nations were involved.
Charles once traveled to Libya for so-called "training in guerrilla warfare"--but the details on that are fuzzy. For many years the West has claimed that the Lockerbie air disaster was mounted by Libya. But the vile West knew all along that it was Iran--but pinned the blame on Libya.
But the U.S. and its puppet government Canada are heavily involved in the wicked NATO destruction of Libya and their on-going wicked efforts to destroy Syria. Now they are pushing for war against Russia. What are they but fomentors of despicable crimes against humanity--under colour of BS talk about democracy.
The silly chatter by the leaves-smoker is just meant to distract from the posted issue. It should be obvious that anyone who talks stupidly about "Muurs" and supports a stupid cult whose main activities in life are laze around drugged out on leaves and to run degradingly after pale/pink females should not be taken seriously at all. What you have here is a dizzy and confused fantasist mouthing off on matters it/he/she knows almost zero about.
Lamin please post more because the forum needs to know both sides of what You and Ironlion are posting.
I have always thought that Africa is being forced to be docile like a sleeping lion by the west and they have done what ever they could to kill those who believe in African upliftment, Africans helping Africans, Africans using there own resources to uplift all countries. Africans building and not destroying.
I don't find it odd that these stories about gaddafi comes out after the fact of him being in a civil war and not when he was kissing white ass.
What I want to know is why these murders are targeting Syria now as if that was the worse regime in the Middle east when Saudi Arabia is a bastion of evil that kills at whim and oppresses there people to the point that they have the Highest rate of homosexuality in the middle east.
Syria is the last bastion of Christians in the middle east...why attack them if all these people are bible thumpers????
Also MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN AMERICA AND CANADA WOULD BE OUT OF MONEY IF AFRICANS SUPPORTED EACHOTHER AND GAVE FOOD TO EACHOTHER. Basically African consciousness is something they don't want to see because an Independent Africa, Is A Leading Lion and THEE LEADER on the world stage.
When will these corrupt leaders learn.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Here's this dumb jackass using testimony from a bunch of corrupt lawyers desperately trying to save the degenerate and corrupt Charles Taylor.
Who is Charles Taylor but America's man for Liberia. The U.S. let him out of jail so that he return to Liberia to cause havoc.
The stupid fool does not understand that you do not rely on testimony from paid lawyers to understand a case.
Point is that if MG was central in the atrocities of the RUF in SL then the ICC would have indicted him. The Court has indicted Bashir from oil-rich Sudan, a friend of the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. The Court has also indicted 2 U.S. puppets in the likes of Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto for crimes against humanity. The Court has just sentenced Congolese Germaine Katanga for crimes against humanity.
And just at almost the same time a French court found Rwandan Pascal Simbikangwa guilty for crimes against humanity during the Rwandan Civil War.
Paul Kagame, a U.S. puppet and darling and now President of Rwanda has been cited by the ICC for serious war crimes especially in the post-war period in the Congo. His time is coming soon.
Point is that the given that the U.S. and the West had already used trumped-up charges against MG for the Lockerbie air-bombing--they had all the leeway to get him indicted by the ICC. It didn't and couldn't happen at all.
But those paid-off lawyers grabbing at straws to save the sorry arse of U.S. stooge Charles Taylor pose some dumb and asinine questions to Charles Taylor hoping for some diversionary points. BS lawyers will ask BS questions all the time. Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh, the scum of the African earth, all acted independently and committed the crimes they did of their own free accord. The funded their wars with money from smuggled gold, diamonds, and timber. What else?
And the jackass leaves-taker falls for that ruse--as you would expect from a low IQ degenerate whose only vision of this world is the ridiculous and LOL "Muurs". What a dim-wattaged specimen.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Gaddhafi Libya's last Jew who gave away Africa's money to the Rothschilds:
The Rothschild Connection
"Rothschild has been linked to the son of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi. In 2009, Saif threw his 37th birthday party at the Splendid Hotel in Bečići Montenegro where the guests were rumored to include Arcelor Mittal CEO Lakshmi Mittal, gold magnate Peter Munk, as well as Oleg Deripaska and Nathaniel Rothschild."
Saif Gaddafi, left, son of Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi and friend of Nat Rothschild talks to Oleg Deripaska at an exhibit of Libyan art in Moscow, 28 June 2010. Why has the Gaddafi family invested billions of dollars with Zionists such as Rothschild and Deripaska? -
If we follow the money we find that Gaddafi, said to be "Libya's last Jew", is a close business partner with the biggest Jewish/Israeli oligarchs of Russia and Europe. These odd connections may explain Vladimir Putin's criticism of the allied military intervention against the Madman of Tripoli, calling it a "crusade" to defend the people of Libya from Gaddafi's guns. Putin is a close friend of Oleg Deripaska, owner of RusAl, the metal giant in which Gaddafi is invested. Why would an Arab leader, who claims to be an anti-Zionist, invest billions of dollars in Zionist-owned companies?
During a discussion on Israel Radio they just dropped this little tidbit. There is a Jew left in Libya. His name is Muammar Gadhafi. - “You won’t believe this…Gadhafi’s mother was Jewish”, 22 February 2011
Of his early life little is known, and even less is certain. He was born, it is said, in Sirte, a desert town, the son of a goatherd. Other versions suggest that his real father may have been French, and his mother Jewish.
- “Colonel Gaddafi is turning into a mellow megolamaniac” (comments), The Telegraph, 13 June 2009
Colonel Gaddafi’s close ties to the Rothschild family and the Mossad make complete sense when we consider the fact that he is a Jew, the son of a Jewish mother, according to a report aired on Israeli television. How much oil money has the brutal Libyan dictator secretly stashed away in Israeli banks?
YouTube - Veterans Today -
When an Arab journalist told me that Muammar Gaddafi was Jewish and that his mother’s relative lived in Israel and had been on Israeli television, I thought it must be some kind of joke. But it’s not. Here is the Israeli program in which his second cousin and another relative explain that the “Madman of Libya” is actually a Jew. According to the relatives’ testimony on this show, there is no question that Gaddafi is a Jew under Jewish – and Israeli law. Gaddafi’s Jewish blood explains his very close connection to the Rothschilds and their preferred intelligence agency – the Mossad. Now it all makes sense. An Israeli television program in which Gaddafi’s Jewish roots are discussed, by his second cousin in Israel. “With a Jewish Grandma, and a Jewish Mother, Gaddafi may seek refuge in Israel”, according to Israel Insider.
The Israeli television program discusses Gaddafi’s Jewish mother and grandmother. This is how Israel Insider explains the connection:
Israel’s Channel 2 News last year interviewed two Israeli women of Libyan origin who claimed to be relatives of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Israel Today’s Ryan Jones reminds us.The older of the two interviewees, Guita Brown, claimed that she is Gaddafi’s second cousin: her grandmother was the sister of Gaddafi’s grandmother. The younger of the two women, Rachel Saada, Brown’s granddaughter , explained in more detail:
“The story goes that Gaddafi’s grandmother, a Jewess, was married to a Jewish man at first. But he treated her badly, so she ran away and married a Muslim sheikh. Their child was the mother of Gaddafi.”
While Gaddafi’s grandmother converted to Islam when she married the sheikh, according to Jewish religious law (and common sense), she was ethnically still Jewish. And that makes Gaddafi’s mother a Jewess. And if Gaddafi’s mother is a Jewess, what does that make Gaddafi?At that point in the news report, the anchor exclaimed, “So, the point is that Gaddafi doesn’t just have Jewish relatives, he is Jewish!”
That may come in handy. According to Israel’s Law of Return, anyone with a Jewish grandparent is entitled to become a citizen, no questions asked. Gadaffi’s Ties To The Rothschilds
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who is seen as the Libyan dictator’s most likely successor, was also a guest of billionaire financiers Jacob and Nat Rothschild at their Corfu villa where the Business Secretary stayed a week…days before it emerged that the Lockerbie bomber was to be freed.
The Qaddafi family is closely tied to and invested with the Rothschild family, which raises the question: Is Muammar Qaddafi, the brutal and mercurial Libyan dictator, working with Israel’s Mossad? The evidence suggests that he is. We need to remember that the Mossad works hand-in-hand with the Rothschild family, which controls global mining and oil production operations. Libya has the largest proven reserves of oil in Africa and exports about 1.5 million barrels per day and has important refineries that supply essential petroleum products to Europe. Let’s look at the evidence that Qaddafi is working with the Rothschild family and their intelligence agency, the Mossad.
First, Libya invested a reported $500 million into Allen Stanford’s money laundering operation that was exposed two years ago this month to be a scam in which some $8 billion disappeared. Stanford’s operation, based in Antigua and Houston, was one in which senior Mossadniks were both investors and recipients of investments from Allen Stanford. The Israeli venture capital funds which received millions of dollars from Stanford are all closely linked to the Mossad. Yair Shamir, the son of the infamous terrorist leader Yitzchak Shamir, was one of the investors in Stanford’s “bank” in Antigua. Yair Shamir (inset), the son of the notorious Zionist terrorist Yitzchak Shamir, is chairman and managing partner of the Catalyst Fund, a Mossad venture capital fund that received tens of millions of dollars from the Allen Stanford money-laundering operation. Shamir was also an investor in the Stanford bank.
Qaddafi invested the $500 million in Stanford’s operation three weeks before the fund collapsed owing investors some $8 billion. The Stanford bank was reportedly a Mossad money-laundering operation funded with illegal drug profits. Libya, however, has never made a claim for the lost $500 million. Why would Qaddafi invest half a billion dollars in a Mossad-linked scam and not ask for the money back?Secondly, there is the Rothschild connection to Qaddafi, through his son Saif.
As the Daily Mail reported on February 24:
The friendship of oddball financier Nat Rothschild, 39, scion of one of Europe’s most distinguished Jewish families, with Colonel Gaddafi’s epicene son, Saif, is remarkable. Colonel Gaddafi confiscated all Jewish property in Libya when he came to power. All debts to Jews were cancelled and emigration legally prohibited. But in 2004 – the year Tony Blair befriended the Libyan madman – Gaddafi said he would discuss compensating Jews stripped of their possessions. It’s said Saif – who hoped to succeed his father – was behind these moves. A sop to Nat Rothschild? Nat Rothschild works closely with the Qaddafi family.
Gadhafi Money Stashed in Rothschilds Banks
Nat Rothschild works closely with the Qaddafi family.
The Daily Telegraph published an article entitled “Gadhafi’s stolen billions stashed in London” that points out the Gadhafi family ties with the Rothschilds:
This was painfully revealed when Saif, a supposed friend of the West, spoke on Libyan television this week. Saif took the awkward manner of an international plutocrat, forced only by circumstances out of his usual exalted milieu of Blairs, Deripaskas, Mandelsons and Rothschilds, to address Libya’s “little people”…Swinging London is but one hub of Gadhafi Inc. – a useful networking site where the Rothschilds were able to point Saif Gadhafi to investment opportunities in marina complexes in Montenegro.
In a profile piece on Saif Gaddafi, The Observer provides more details about the Gaddafi family’s close ties to the Rothschild family:
Saif is an acquaintance of Lord Mandelson and met the former Labour minister at a Corfu villa [of Jacob Rothschild] the week before it was announced that the Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, would be released from a Scottish prison. The two men met again when they were guests at Lord Rothschild’s mansion in Buckinghamshire.Rothschild’s son and heir, Nat, also a close friend of Mandelson, held a party in New York attended by Saif in 2008. Saif in turn invited Nat Rothschild to his 37th birthday party in Montenegro, where the financier is investing in a luxury resort.
Saif Gaddafi met with Lord Mandelson (left) and Jacob (4th Baron) Rothschild (center) at Rothschild’s villa in Corfu in August 2009, one week before it was announced that the “Lockerbie bomber” would be released from prison. Rothschild’s father (Victor, the 3rd Baron Rothschild) worked in British intelligence during World War II in disinformation and espionage. Victor is alleged to have been a Soviet spy, which led him to state in December 1986, “I am not, and never have been, a Soviet agent.”
Then there is the fact that Tony Blair serves as an adviser to Muammar Qaddafi. But who is Blair serving? It is well known that Blair is a Zionist-controlled politician who has sacrificed hundreds of British lives in the criminal fraud known as the “War on Terror”. The Daily Mail reported in July.
2010 that Blair had secret talks with Qaddafi in Tripoli Tony Blair was flown to Libya for secret talks with Colonel Gaddafi just days after denying he was an adviser to the dictator. Mr Blair was ‘entertained as a brother’, a senior Libyan government source has revealed. He told the Daily Mail that the former prime minister had offered Gaddafi, with whom he is on first-name terms, ‘a great deal of invaluable advice’.
Tony Blair is just one of the many Zionist-controlled politicians who have embraced the madman of Tripoli. Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, for example, who is very close to Qaddafi, was given the “Distinguished Statesman Award” by the Anti-Defamation League of the B’nai B’rith in September 2003. If Qaddafi were really the terrorist behind Pan Am 103, would Berlusconi and all these other Zionist-controlled western leaders be allowed to embrace him as a friend?
Lastly, there is the claim made by Victor Ostrovsky in his books about the Mossad that Israeli agents based in Tripoli had sent messages that appeared to have been sent by Qaddafi’s government. These counterfeit messages were picked up by American intelligence and were used to build their case against Libya. If Mossad was running such sophisticated intelligence operations in Libya in the 1980s it is more than likely that their penetration of Qaddafi’s government had deepened in the 25 years since. The evidence strongly indicates that is the case.
SARAH IN TRIPOLI
The revolt and bloodshed in Libya will certainly lead to the end of the 42-year-old regime of Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi and his thugs. There is very little television footage coming from Libya, but the BBC Newhour program (of February 20) had an excellent telephone interview with a young Libyan woman named Sarah, in Tripoli. This is a very powerful and moving interview that helps one understand what is really happening in Libya. The interview with “Sarah in Tripoli” begins shortly after minute 26 and 30 seconds into the program. One can use the time button and begin listening at 26:30.The interview can be heard on the BBC World Service website here: www.bbc.co.uk
Gaddafi and Silvio Berlusconi of Italy are quite close. Libya has many investments in Italy, the Guardianreported, ”These include a stake of about 2% in Fiat, 7.5% of Juventus football club, a 2% stake in – and joint venture with – Italian aerospace and defence group Finmeccanica and 7.5% in UniCredit, the bank.”
Britain’s Tony Blair, who is controlled by Zionist money, was quite willing to embrace the madman of Libya – the same Arab tyrant who is said to have been behind the terror bombing over Lockerbie. How much sense does this make?
“You won’t believe this… Gadhafi’s mother was Jewish”, IsraelMatzav.blogspot.com, 22 February 2011
Facts on Libya: Oil and Gas, International Energy Agency, 21 February 2011
By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer, by Victor Ostrovsky, St. Martin’s Press 1990 Who Really Controls Our Political Parties?, by Christopher Bollyn, Solving 9/11 “Lord Mandelson runs the country – from Corfu”, The Telegraph, 7 August 2009
“Mandy and the Lockerbie bomber and Another ‘coincidence’ in Corfu”, by Tim Shipman and Sam Greenhill, The Daily Mail, 18 August 2009 “Saif al-Islam Gaddafi: The new face of Libyan defiance”, by Jamie Doward, The Observer, guardian.co.uk, 26 February 2011
“Oddball banker’s friendship with Gaddafi’s son is remarkable,” by Ephraim Hardcastle, Daily Mail Online, 24 February 2011
“Allen Stanford: A Libyan Connection?” by Matthew Goldstein, Business Week, 30 March 2009
“Stanford International Bank became a new BCCI,” Geofinancial.blogspot.com, 25 July 2010
“Libya’s oil money has made it major world shareholder”, The Guardian, 21 February 2011 Popularity: 84% [?]
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The friendship of oddball financier Nat Rothschild, 39, scion of one of Europe’s most distinguished Jewish families, with Colonel Gaddafi’s epicene son, Saif, is remarkable.
Colonel Gaddafi confiscated all Jewish property in Libya when he came to power.
All debts to Jews were cancelled and emigration legally prohibited.
But in 2004 – the year Tony Blair befriended the Libyan madman – Gaddafi said he would discuss compensating Jews stripped of their possessions. It’s said Saif – who hoped to succeed his father – was behind these moves.
Jackass leaves sniffer and smoker you keep fouling up my post with your Low IQ rubbish--proof of a befuddled and weak brain. One of the ongoing tragedies of the African race is that there are too many clowns, jackasses, and really stupid morons that just besmirch a whole people. Just clowns and more clowns--including a really stupid one that prances around with all the frivolity of a born clown with just painfully stupid and asinine talk of "muurs". Is this--as they say--for real? He sounds so stupid.
The stupid fool is ensnared by some dumb cult whose members swear by leaves and pink female. They mask their natural degeneracy and depravity with a hair-style with which they hope to lure and reel in the equally degenerate pink girls. But people with a modicum of alertness see through this hypocritical game. A blight on the African race.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
There are no Jews in Libya
History of the Jews in Libya
The history of the Jews in Libya stretches back to the 3rd century BCE, when Cyrenaica was under Greek rule. The Jewish population of Libya, a part of the Maghrebi Jewish community continued to populate the area continuously until the modern times. During World War II, Libya's Jewish population was subjected to antisemitic laws by the Fascist Italian regime and deportations by German troops.
During the Greco-Roman period, Libya corresponded approximately with Cyrene and the territory belonging to it. Jews lived there - including many that moved there from Egypt; Augustus granted Cyrene's Jewish population certain privileges through Flavius, the governor of the province. At the time, they maintained close contact with the Jews in Jerusalem. In 73 CE, during the First Jewish–Roman War in Judea, there was also a revolt by the Jewish community in Cyrene led by Jonathan the Weaver, which was quickly suppressed by the governor Catullus. Jonathan was denounced to the governor of Pentapolis.
In vengeance, the Romans then killed him and many wealthy Jews in Cyrene. In 115 CE, another Jewish revolt, known as Kitos War, broke out not only in Cyrene, but also in Egypt and Cyprus.Several Libyan Jews from this period are known today, such as Jason of Cyrene, whose work is the source of the Second Book of Maccabees, and Simon of Cyrene, who carried the cross of Jesus as Jesus was taken to his crucifixion.
In 1911, Libya was colonized by Italy. By 1931, there were 21,000 Jews living in the country (4% of the total population of 550,000), mostly in Tripoli. The situation for the Jews was generally good. But, in the late 1930s, the Fascist Italian regime began passing anti-Semitic laws. As a result of these laws, Jews were fired from government jobs, some were dismissed from government schools, and their citizenship papers were stamped with the words "Jewish race."[4]
Despite this repression, 25% of the population of Tripoli was still Jewish in 1941 and 44 synagogues were maintained in the city. In 1942, German troops fighting the Allies in North Africa occupied the Jewish quarter of Benghazi, plundering shops and deporting more than 2,000 Jews across the desert. Sent to work in labor camps, more than one-fifth of this group of Jews perished. Jews were concentrated in the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, with small communities in Bayda and Misrata The Italian conquest of Libya dated back to 1911, as a result of Italian ambitions in North Africa. Libya was annexed to the Italian Kingdom with the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, which concluded the Italo-Turkish War of 1912.
For several years, few Italian nationals lived in the new colony. When the Fascist regime gained power in Italy, the colonization of Libya was increased; thousands of Italian settlers poured into the country with promises of free land and financial aid. By 1939, Italians in Libya numbered 108,419 (12.37 percent of the total population) according to census figures; plans envisioned 500,000 Italian settlers by the 1960s. The Italian population was concentrated in the coast around the cities of Tripoli (37 percent of its population) and Bengasi (31 percent). With the Italian defeat in World War II, Italian influence waned.
After several years under British mandate, on December 24, 1951 Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya (a constitutional, hereditary monarchy under King Idris). Although many Italians had already left the former colony, many remained (primarily farmers and craftsmen). King Idris was a tolerant monarch, and generally treated the Italian population well.
Libyan Jews (ethnic Arabs who had lived in Libya since the 3rd century BC) were granted citizenship; their passports labeled them as "Libyan Jews" ("Iahud Liby"). Their civil and political rights were restricted, under the assumption that they had connections with Israel. In 1945 and 1948 the Jews suffered pogroms, and most left Libya for Israel in 1948.
About 6,000 remained in Libya until they were forced to leave after the pogrom in June 1967, during which 15 were killed. Between 1951 (the independence of Libya) and 1970, the Italian population was not granted Libyan citizenship. The remaining Libyan Jews migrated to Israel, and their Libyan holdings were seized. After the war, anti-Jewish violence caused many Jews to leave the country, principally for Israel, though significant numbers remained in Rome and many later emigrated to various communities in North America. Under Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who ruled the country from 1969 to 2011, the situation deteriorated further, eventually leading to the emigration of the remaining Jewish population. The last Jew of Libya, 80-year-old Rina Debach, left the country in 2003.
On September 1, 1969, while King Idris of Libya was in Turkey for medical treatment he was deposed in a coup by a group of Libyan army officers under the leadership of Lieutenant Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi. The monarchy was abolished, and a republic proclaimed. The coup pre-empted Idris' abdication and the succession of his heir the following day.
Over the next few months, Libyan policy towards foreigners changed drastically. The revolutionary council approved a new constitution, which described Libya as Arab, free, and democratic. In the name of Arab nationalism the new government nationalized most oil holdings, seized Italian and Jewish possessions, closed U.S. and British military bases (including the American Wheelus Air Base, renamed "Oqba bin Nafi" after the first Arab-Muslim conqueror of North Africa.
On July 21, 1970 the revolutionary council issued a special law to regain wealth stolen from the Libyan people by Italian oppressors (as stated by Gaddafi in a speech a few days later). With this law, Italians who had long lived in Libya were required to leave the county by October 7, 1970. October 7 would be celebrated as the Day of Revenge, a Libyan national holiday. About 20,000 Italians and 37,000 Jews were expelled from the country.
The coup d’état of Muammar al-Gaddafi (influenced by Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Arab nationalism) was driven by the conviction that foreigners were still exploiting Libya, and Gaddafi made their eviction a hallmark of his program. By the end of 1970 all foreign holdings were seized, and nearly all Jews and Italians had left the country.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Jackass leaves sniffer and smoker you keep fouling up my post with your Low IQ rubbish--proof of a befuddled and weak brain. One of the ongoing tragedies of the African race is that there are too many clowns, jackasses, and really stupid morons that just besmirch a whole people. Just clowns and more clowns--including a really stupid one that prances around with all the frivolity of a born clown with just painfully stupid and asinine talk of "muurs". Is this--as they say--for real? He sounds so stupid.
The stupid fool is ensnared by some dumb cult whose members swear by leaves and pink female. They mask their natural degeneracy and depravity with a hair-style with which they hope to lure and reel in the equally degenerate pink girls. But people with a modicum of alertness see through this hypocritical game. A blight on the African race.
ad hominem is your rebuttal?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
My honey Lamin, is frustrated by facts... !
Right now she can only batter senselessly but resentfully, dazed even flabbergasted by the embarrassment of my razor-edged revelations...
Never again shall Gaddhafi the slime threaten Africa's children like this... Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
STINKY ARABIST RACIST DOG! Hear him now:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"
Qaddafi's latest gambit: Convince the European public that they really want him to stick around, with all the stability that entails.
He spoke today to TV network France 24.
This quote (via Reuters) certainly stands out:
"There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean."
Bear in mind that after the fall of Tunisia's Ben Ali, Italy has seen a wave of immigrants that continue today.
quote: As a Libyan I fully support the revolts that are taking place against Gaddafi's "imported" criminals. Our society, culture and economy is being raped. Ask Mr. Gaddafi: Where is the 350 billion dollars of our national budget missing? Abdesalam Zoueh, Tripoli, Libya.
quote:I have no respect for the man. He speaks of African unity but he allows his country's resources to be used for the killing and displacement of Liberian and Sierre Leoneans. The man may have forgotten or he may not know but the idea of African unity is nothing new. He needs to read up on West African history, particularly the Pan African idea suggested by Guinea, Ghana and Liberia. Robert A, Liberia
quote:Is Gaddafi a racist? Is the sky blue? Is it cold in the Antarctic? People often wonder why there are so many wars in Africa. Well, the answer is in Tripoli. Gaddafi has sown, financed, and midwifed conflicts everywhere in Africa. It is obvious that the lives of black Africans mean nothing to him. In my book, that makes him a racist. Jane Bangura, Sierra Leone
Gaddafi: Black Africans Are Ignorant Barbarians - 2010
"Col Gaddafi has forged close ties with Italy since a friendship treaty was signed two years ago. It sought to draw a line under historic bitterness between Libya and Italy, its former colonial master.
"Tomorrow Europe might no longer be European, and even black, as there are millions who want to come in," said Col Gaddafi, quoted by the AFP news agency.
He was speaking at a ceremony in Rome late on Monday, standing next to Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
"We don't know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said.
"We don't know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions.""
"We don’t know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said in Rome, August 30, 2010.
Arab racism towards Africans has for long been a taboo subject, considering that it is politically incorrect to voice out the obvious: That Arabs, who are mostly Muslims, are racists to boot and consider Africans, Muslim or Christian, as inferior.
Reference is made to the book of Genesis and the three sons of Noah – Ham, Japheth and Shem. Arabs claim that “the accursed Ham was the progenitor of the black race; that Japheth begat the full-faced, small eyed Europeans, and that Shem fathered the handsome Arabs with beautiful face and hair.”
Arab philosophers carefully tilled the ground in order to make racism towards Africans and all Blacks by their kin a proud cultural heritage...
The author Hama Tuma, Ethiopian author, poet and journalist, has been active in the political and human rights struggle in Ethiopia and Africa since the sixties. His satirical essays under the general title of African Absurdities have gained support from many quarters. Some of his books (English and Amharic) have been translated to French, Italian and Hebrew.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
lamin what is the ethnic demographics of Libya ?
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
The protection of the petrodollar aka oil being sold only in USA dollar is the cause of the invasion of Irak, the destruction of Libya, the civil war in Syria and the sanction on Iran. The West talking about free market economy and democracy are lies. The west act as world dictators and monopolists.
Western reserve currencies are fiat currencies base on trust not back up by any gold and silver reserve. The West will not allow other stable countries in the world to create a fiat reserve currency to compete with the USA dollar and Euro. Libya in cooperation with other African countries had the plan to create an international currency back up by gold call the gold dinar to compete with the US dollar, Euro and franc CFA. France President Nicolas Sarkozy states the gold dinar was a threat to Western economic supremacy. The EU and USA decided to stop Libya by destroying the country. The Chinese Yuan is rising as an international reserve and trade fiat currency, the USA and EU cant stop the Chinese.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
mena7, karma caught up with Kadafi.
The ordinary Libyan today is not crying for a return to Kadafi's regime.
Those who mourn Kadafi are mis-informed foreign commentators or dis-ingenious liars like my girl Lamin.
Reposted:
Never again shall Gaddhafi the slime threaten Africa's children like this... Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Of Gaddafi and Arab racism towards Blacks
The author Hama Tuma, Ethiopian author, poet and journalist, has been active in the political and human rights struggle in Ethiopia and Africa since the sixties. His satirical essays under the general title of African Absurdities have gained support from many quarters. Some of his books (English and Amharic) have been translated to French, Italian and Hebrew.
I routinely call Africans all sorts of filthy names:
Stupid, Ass-holes, Fuch-ups, etc. etc.
.
Please note that the home country (Ethiopia) of this idiot Hama Tuma, is directly across from the Arabian peninsula.
How then would an African apologist explain how this Damn fool would not know the difference between an Arab and a Turk.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
I routinely call Africans all sorts of filthy names:
Stupid, Ass-holes, Fuch-ups, etc. etc.
^ note: insert recent KING quote complimenting Mike, I forgot where it was
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
I routinely call Africans all sorts of filthy names:
Stupid, Ass-holes, Fuch-ups, etc. etc.
^ note: insert recent KING quote complimenting Mike, I forgot where it was
Don't start something you can't handle lioness
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
The point of my post is very simple:
IF THESE ARE ARABS:
THEN THIS MAKES NO SENSE!
Tabari II:11 "Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."
Tabari II:21 "Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."
Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.... Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"
From Jahiz's Kitab al-Hayawan (book on animals)
Allah has made the Zanj black and misshapen so all will know they are cursed. For it is written: Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament.
My issue is that only the abject stupidity of an African would not understand that very simple preposition.
Likewise the issue of properly identifying Albinos and Mulattoes. If that is not done, then nothing makes sense and we are left with the nonsensical blabberings of those who are tying to fool us.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The point of my post is very simple:
IF THESE ARE ARABS:
The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
After all of this time, you still don't understand that I wouldn't have made the comments if I didn't have "In-hand" material to prove my point.
Lioness, I answered you because I wanted to explain myself to those who think that I pick on Africans for no reason.
The point that you made with that picture is really totally fuching stupid and really pisses me off. While most here are trying to learn something, you continually try to obfuscate with inane nonsense like that. 2000 years ago Greeks, Romans, and Central Asians were all over that area. So what does that carving which is not in the Arab style prove? Absolutely nothing you degenerate lying bitch, so get lost!
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The point of my post is very simple:
IF THESE ARE ARABS:
The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
Only bullshitter is You lioness.
Got schooled in the other thread and slunk away like a snake to call my name up in another thread. You don't want none.
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING:
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
I couldn't find any
and your point is ????
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING:
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
I couldn't find any
and your point is ????
Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING:
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
I couldn't find any
and your point is ????
Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
I said you or the Euros can't find a straight haired African tribe therefore straight hair being inidgenous to Africa has not been proven at this time. (note not some frizzy fly away hair, the real lank limp stuff like Chinese people have)
stuff about Indians would be irrelevant to that topic, capiche?
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING:
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
I couldn't find any
and your point is ????
Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
I said you or the Euros can't find a straight haired African tribe therefore straight hair being inidgenous to Africa has not been proven at this time. (note not some frizzy fly away hair, the real lank limp stuff like Chinese people have)
stuff about Indians would be irrelevant to that topic, capiche?
So Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Compare an Arabized East African, the man on the left
compare to Hama Tuma: Mike do you notice a difference?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Please note that the home country (Ethiopia) of this idiot Hama Tuma, is directly across from the Arabian peninsula.
How then would an African apologist explain how this Damn fool would not know the difference between an Arab and a Turk.
you make the same assumption again, that because Hama Tuma lives in Ethiopia he's indigenous Ethiopian
Look at the comparision. he might be part Ethiopian and Arab himself
Semitic Bedawin, Hadramawt, Southern Arabia.
^^^ It's a guessing game as to if the original Arabs may have looked like this
If they did, they still look somewhat different from indigenous an Ethiopian
Hama Tuma looks more like a mixture of both.-and not even as dark as the people in those old bedouin photos
KING, I ask you, who knows more aboput how Arabs look, a professional author and resident of Ethiopia,a country close to Arabia or California Mike?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
I showed you a phpt of an Andaman Islander from an Island near to India
But an Island close to India is not India so I have not been able to find a kinky haired Indian tribe
I have not made a statement about Indians but obviously that vast majority or all have straight hair of an Asian type, slightly more wavy than East "oriental" Asians but still straight hair and these Indians were involved in martime trade along the East African coast as well as the Arabs
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] Compare an Arabized East African, the man on the left
compare to Hama Tuma: Mike do you notice a difference?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111:
Please note that the home country (Ethiopia) of this idiot Hama Tuma, is directly across from the Arabian peninsula.
How then would an African apologist explain how this Damn fool would not know the difference between an Arab and a Turk.
you make the same assumption again, that because Hama Tuma lives in Ethiopia he's indigenous Ethiopian
Look at the comparision. he might be part Ethiopian and Arab himself
Semitic Bedawin, Hadramawt, Southern Arabia.
^^^ It's a guessing game as to if the original Arabs may have looked like this
If they did, they still look somewhat different from indigenous an Ethiopian
Hama Tuma looks more like a mixture of both.-and not even as dark as the people in those old bedouin photos
KING, I ask you, who knows more aboput how Arabs look, a professional author and resident of Ethiopia,a country close to Arabia or California Mike?[/
Are all Indians lank haired? NO
Then post a tribe of Indians with Kinky hair.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING: Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
I showed you a phpt of an Andaman Islander from an Island near to India
But an Island close to India is not India so I have not been able to find a kinky haired Indian tribe
I have not made a statement about Indians but obviously that vast majority or all have straight hair of an Asian type, slightly more wavy than East "oriental" Asians but still straight hair and these Indians were involved in martime trade along the East African coast as well as the Arabs
WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
I have looked into straight hair in Africans but not kinky hair in Indians.
If there is some tribe of kinky hair Indians, there is not some fairness doctrine built into nature that would make an analogous straight hair possible in an African tribe
Africans are the most diverse that doesn't mean they have every trait in the entire world and that every type of person in the world came about before people left Africa
For intsance red hair or blue eyes are very rare in Africa but relatively common in Europe even though most Europeans have brown hair and brown eyes. However Africans are more diverse in other ways, genetically and in body types
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
^So I found Indians with KINKY hair lioness...minority? YES
BUT
It Still happens just like Africans with Straight hair.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING: WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
I have looked into straight hair in Africans but not kinky hair in Indians.
If there is some tribe of kinky hair Indians, there is not some fairness doctrine built into nature that would make an analogous straight hair possible in an African tribe
Africans are the most diverse that doesn't mean they have every trait in the entire world and that every type of person in the world came about before people left Africa
For intsance red hair or blue eyes are very rare in Africa but relatively common in Europe even though most Europeans have brown hair and brown eyes. However Africans are more diverse in other ways, genetically and in body types
Credit your composure(NO Don't step to lioness bullshit). All I am saying is that Kinky hair is not the majority in Indians, the same way straight hair is NOT the majority in Africans...The thing with the ETERNAL CREATOR though is that sometimes he puts things in people out of nowhere that makes NO SENSE to man, but makes sense to Him.
Hence some Somalis, eritreans, Djiboutians, Nubians, Sudanese(You would say they are mixed with arabs) have straight hair.
Making sense in this world is like a cup of tea, many flavours...different tastes.
Peace
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
Cacausoids were always in Africa. ...Europeans entered Africa relatively recently.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
I maintain that kinky hair is a recent adaptation
.
Posted by Peregrine (Member # 17741) on :
quote:Under Gaddafi’s Tent: Sex, Ephebes, Concubines and Racism
AFRICANGLOBE – A senior Muammar Gaddafi top aide has for the first time revealed gory details of sex,murders and racism in the Brother Leader’s secret world.
About Imam Moussa Sadr, I received a call from Abdallah Senoussi, who was then an officer in military intelligence.
He gave me three passports and asked me to get Italian visas for guests of the government.
One of these was Sadr’s passport. It took time and Senoussi stamped his feet.
I later realized that the imam had been abducted and they had planned to cover it up with a trip to Rome. [...]
“He [Gaddafi] was temperamental. Sometimes he would wake up and say: “Bring me that negro”, in reference to an African head of state.
And after the interview: “The negro is gone. Give him something. “[...]
“When he was at loggerheads with his wife Safia, he would retreat to his bunker in Bab al-Aziziyah.
“He had his harem, with ephebes and concubines.
“He would stay for a month or two, and there we knew that he was plunged into debauchery and partying. [...]
“He took steroids, brought to him by Senoussi. [...]
“During a hunting party in Romania, he killed one of the Officers, Salah Boufaroua because he had evidence that Gaddafi’s mother was Jewish.
“Two diplomats in Rome were executed for the same reason. [...]
“He was sadistic with women. I witnessed two cases of aggression against a Nigerian academic and the wife of a Swiss businessman.
“The first received a $100,000 “compensation”.
The other case was covered by an investment in a Swiss company. [...]
“Bashir Saleh [former Gaddafi aide] told me that the [late] Gabonese President Omar Bongo had made him listen to a taped telephone call between Gaddafi and his wife.
“It was an amorous call. Bongo was very angry. [...]
“Gaddafi was fond of history books and loved to surprise foreign representatives by evoking little known details. [...]
“When Kofi Annan came to Libya in relation to the Lockerbie bombing, he was made to wait a whole day. He hosted a tent in the desert, I saw a mortified Annan.”
Ironlion this is terrible I weep for us good africans, vultures just wolves all of them.
Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
Gaddafi may have been a dictator (pro-muslim) but Nato's intervention in Libya is nothing but a disaster. Libya is a country in chaos controlled by armed militia groups and sectarian division (conflict between people of the same religion and elitist interests). What should have been done, and it was a definitive possibility at a certain point, is a peaceful and inclusive transition toward democracy. Emphasis on 'inclusive'. Where both people from the Gaddafi's green party and the insurgents (or other groups) face each other in a democratic elections. But Nato and imperialist powers -mainly USA/France- didn't want that. They prefer to have their puppets in power in the Middle East and countries destabilized. Destabilization is good business for them. They are also doing the same now in Syria, supporting the insurgents, as they did elsewhere before (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc). Nato's illegal military intervention in Libya brought nothing but violence and destruction.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Can you point out one prominent Libyan who is crying about Gadafi?
For that matter can you point out one African who is mourning Gadafi?
Do you know anything about the atrocities of Liberia and Sierra Leone?
It is easy to patronize on Africans as if they have no capacity to decide for themselves.
Posted by kikuyu22 (Member # 19561) on :
This is free advice for everyone on this thread: don't follow MSM narratives on issues!. As Afrocentric revisionists this should automatically be a rule of thumb. That's why its disheartening to see you repeating lies about Gaddafi and Lockerbie. Fyi,he had nothing to do with the bombing which was about CIA heroin smuggling from the Bekaa valley. The investigators were on the flight with evidence when it went down. lockerbie Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics. IMO,his record is admittedly mixed. For his admirers,he's still alive living in Harare-it was his double they got.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^ Nobody mentioned Lockerbie except Lamin my girl, as a divertionary tactis.
All I am talking about are the wars in Sierra Leone - 1990s, Liberia - 1990s, Central African Republic 2000, Chad - 1978, Mauritania 1990s, Mali 2000, Sudan 2000, Egypt 1973, Tunisia - 1974, and several attempted coups in Nigeria. All caused by that Islamist pseudo revolutionary called Kadafi.
That is enough war karma for one batard!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Reposting....
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lamin what a naughty gyal you have been. Telling lies like they are the truth.
Who converted North Africa into an Islamic Arabic Republic???
"The Arab Islamic Republic was a proposed unification of Tunisia and Libya in 1974, agreed upon by then Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi and Tunisian President Habib Bourguiba."
Posted by Peregrine (Member # 17741) on :
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine:
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
Peregrine
The Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese, Egyptian, Moroccan, and South African security establishment simply knew him as a fake revolutionary. A sword of the Rothschild family in Africa. The seed of confusion and destruction...
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: I think Gaddafi was complex very much.
Gaddafi was not complicated, he was just another murderous Mulatto megalomaniac with a power fixation.
It is an indication of just how far Black Africa still has to go, that anyone took him seriously.
Then again, the fact that he was paying off the Black tribes in the desert, may have given him credibility with Black Africa. It doesn't take much to impress some people.
Gaddafi was not complicated, but Libya, and North Africa in general, IS very complicated. I speak from a historians and an outsiders perspective, perhaps El T would care to comment.
These with knowledge of recent U.S. racial history knows that initially mulattoes were depended upon to carry the message, in that they were better tolerated.
North Africa, particularly Libya, seems to have fallen into that mode since the early 1900s with the killing of Omar Mukhtar, and the wholesale murder of 50% of Libya's Blacks by the Italians.
Victims of the Italian Genocide in Libya While the Italians regularly massacred civilians and prisoners alike.
The Libyans were generally reluctant to follow suit. When a Berber soldier suggested to Mukhtar that he should authorize the killing of a prisoner:
Mukhtar refused, saying "We are their teachers, they are not ours!"
(Sounds nice but is it really the way - I certainly don't know).
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Luckily for Libya, Italy had sided with Germany in the war. With the defeat of the Axis powers, and the creation of the U.N. it was decided that rather than returning Libya to Italy, it would be made an independent country.
Under the constitution of October 1951, the federal monarchy of Libya was headed by the Turk Mulatto King Idris as chief of state, with succession to his designated heirs.
The September 1969 Coup
On September 1, 1969, in a daring coup d'état, a group of about seventy young army officers and enlisted men, mostly assigned to the Signal Corps, and led by then 27-year-old army officer Muammar al-Gaddafi seized control of the government and in a stroke abolished the Libyan monarchy. The coup was launched at Benghazi, and within two hours the takeover was completed. Army units quickly rallied in support of the coup, and within a few days firmly established military control in Tripoli and elsewhere throughout the country. Popular reception of the coup, especially by younger people in the urban areas, was enthusiastic. Fears of resistance in Cyrenaica and Fezzan proved unfounded. No deaths or violent incidents related to the coup were reported. The officers abolished the monarchy, and proclaimed the new Libyan "Arab" Republic, with Gaddafi as it's leader. Muammar al Qadhafi thus became president for life.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^With the Albino Europeans having spent whatever "Moral" capital they might have bamboozled, I was interested to see if Libya's remaining Blacks would see this latest civil war as perhaps an opportunity to take their country back.
Ousted PM left Libya on way to 'another European country' By Jomana Karadsheh and Steve Almasy, CNN updated 9:12 PM EDT, Wed March 12, 2014
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The whereabouts of ousted Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan were a mystery Wednesday after he flew out of the country the night before, despite a prosecutor's order he not leave after his removal from office.
Zeidan was in Malta late Tuesday on a refueling stop for about two hours while en route to "another European country," Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat said in televised remarks.
As of Wednesday, it was unclear which country that was or if he had arrived there.
Libya's acting Prime Minister and Minister of Defense Abdullah al-Thinni told reporters Wednesday that -- despite the prosecutor's order -- there was no ban and Zeidan was free to leave.
"If there is a warrant ... if he is wanted by the judiciary, he can return and be held accountable according to the law and international norms. And this is not considered fleeing," al-Thinni said, contradicting an earlier statement from the Ministry of Justice.
Hours earlier, the North African country's parliament dismissed the prime minister after rebels in eastern Libya said a tanker loaded with oil from a port under their control escaped a naval blockade and moved into international waters.
Libya's prosecutor general said in Tripoli he had banned Zeidan from traveling abroad because of an investigation relating to a payment the government allegedly made last year to an armed group blocking oil ports in the east.
A copy of the travel ban, dated March 11, was posted on his press office's Facebook page marked "urgent and important."
"We order placing the aforementioned in the monitoring database and banning him from travel until he appears for the investigation," said the order, addressed to the head of Libya's immigration department.
Oil chaos
The vote of no-confidence came after Zeidan's failure to stop rebels from exporting oil independently, the latest challenge in the vast desert nation's bumpy transition.
The Libyan government said late Monday it had taken control of the North Korean-flagged tanker, Morning Glory, as it tried to leave the Al-Sidra port in eastern Libya, and after having briefly exchanged fire with rebels. However, in a sign of the chaos and conflicting information typical for Libya, the rebels rejected the assertion.
On Wednesday, al-Thinni said the tanker was at sea where Libyan military forces fired on it until they were called off by the U.S. Navy for fear of an environmental disaster. The oil tanker managed to sail away despite a fire on board, he said.
A spokesman for Egypt's military, Col. Ahmed Ali, said on Wednesday that its navy will monitor Egyptian waters for the oil tanker.
If the Egyptian navy finds the Morning Glory in Egyptian waters, authorities will demand to board and inspect the vessel to verify that the ship's cargo is legal and properly authorized, Ali said.
Egyptian authorities will detain the ship if they find it to be violating of any laws or regulations.
A North Korean state news agency said that while the ship had been temporarily flagged in North Korea, it is operated by the Golden East Logistics Company in Alexandria, Egypt. KCNA also wrote that North Korea notified the International Maritime Organization that the ship owners had violated North Korean law. It said Pyongyang had canceled and deleted the ship's registry
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
Peregrine
The Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese, Egyptian, Moroccan, and South African security establishment simply knew him as a fake revolutionary. A sword of the Rothschild family in Africa. The seed of confusion and destruction...
In the aftermath of his misfortune that is certainly a believable proposition.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: I think Gaddafi was complex very much.
It is an indication of just how far Black Africa still has to go, that anyone took him seriously.
Then again, the fact that he was paying off the Black tribes in the desert, may have given him credibility with Black Africa.
Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
What trauma and circumstances might that be?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!
Libyan rebel leader calls U.S. Navy "pirates" after tanker seized Reuters By Ulf Laessing and Ayman al-Warfalli March 18, 2014 3:39 PM
TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - A Libyan rebel leader accused the United States on Tuesday of behaving like pirates after U.S. naval forces seized an oil-laden tanker that had sailed from a rebel-held port in the east of the chaotic North African state.
Ibrahim Jathran
Ibrahim Jathran's defiant speech dampened hopes of a quick peaceful settlement with Libya's central government to end a blockage of three oil ports his men took over in summer to press for eastern autonomy and a greater share of oil revenues.
The conflict reflects wider chaos in Libya where the government has been struggling to rein in militias that helped overthrow dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 but kept their guns to become powerful political players.
On Sunday, U.S. forces stormed a tanker that had made it as far as the eastern Mediterranean off Cyprus after loading crude at the Es Sider port, one of three Jahtran's men have occupied, and eluding Libyan government forces off-shore. The ship is now on its way back to a government-controlled port.
The Tripoli government has given Jahtran's group two weeks to clear the ports or face a military offensive to end the port blockage, which has crippled the OPEC country's finances.
But in a speech broadcast by a rebel television station, Jathran did not mention a government offer to hold new talks and said his group would continue its struggle.
"We will continue our fight for our right to dream of a better tomorrow for our children and families," said Jathran, calling for the United Nations and Arab League to intervene to help the people of eastern Libya.
"We urge the United States government to refrain from siding with the extremists currently holding power in Tripoli," he said, describing the U.S. navy operation as "piracy".
"We call on the U.S. authorities to guarantee the safety of our sons on board and of the entire crew, and to ensure that the tanker is promptly returned to us," he said, confirming that his men had boarded the ship after loading oil.
Jathran, based in Ajdabiya in eastern Libya, defended his repeated attempts to bypass Tripoli in selling oil. "We declare and confirm that, indeed, the majority of Libyan tribes have agreed to the necessity of taking hold of our resources for the benefit of the people," Jathran said.
While Jathran's oil sale proved unsuccessful this time, the episode led to the dismissal of Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan, who fled to Europe last week.
Western powers, worried that Libya might fracture or slide deeper into anarchy, have been training Libyan armed forces and cajoling conflicting parties in government to work together, to little avail.
But diplomats say the nascent army would struggle in any case to take on Jathran's men, who helped overthrow Gaddafi. He defected last year as head of a state oil protection force, taking with him his armed men.
^I never thought that I would ever use the term "Bad-Assed" in relation to an African.
Then again, I never thought that I would see the day when (true) Blacks might once again rule any part of North Africa.
Hope they work it out and share power.
Also hope that they have more pride than this one.
(Taking Photos of his mother is forbidden)
Current Moroccan King and family
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Man Mike, This story is just getting bigger and bigger. Now The East AND the West are fighting in Libya against the Muslim Brotherhood:
Partition of Libya looms as fight for oil sparks vicious new divide
Chris Stephen
The Observer, Sunday 16 March 2014
A rebel under Ibrahim Jathran holds the Cyrenaica flag while standing on a boat at Es Sider port. Photograph: Esam Al-Fetori/Reuters
No one paid much attention to the 21,000-tonne oil tanker Morning Glory as it churned back and forth along the north African coast earlier this month. Tankers are a common sight, carrying Libya's oil exports around the world. But on 1 March it switched off its satellite transponder and vanished from world shipping maps.
Eight days later it appeared at Libya's biggest oil port, Es Sider, blockaded since the summer by a rebel militia. Within a week its arrival would see a prime minister sacked and Libya on the brink of civil war.
Four hundred miles away in the capital Tripoli, prime minister Ali Zeidan, 63, a lawyer and former dissident based in Geneva, was alarmed. He had come to the job 15 months before with high expectations. Libya, freed with Nato help from the Muammar Gaddafi dictatorship, had everything going for it, with Africa's largest oil reserves and only 6 million people to share the wealth.
Instead, he had endured a bruising ride. Forty years of brutal, idiosyncratic dictatorship had left the country on its knees. Schools, hospitals, roads, pensions, commerce, the courts and police needed an urgent overhaul and he lacked the trained civil servants to do it. Worse, he was at loggerheads with the Islamist-led Congress that appointed him. When a militia briefly kidnapped him for six hours in October, he emerged to accuse the Muslim Brotherhood, whose Justice and Construction party leads the Islamist coalition, of "undermining" him. Since then, Islamists and a growing body of allies had campaigned to sack him, blaming Zeidan for Libya's woes. Worse still, the militias that had won the revolution were now fighting each other in a bewildering array of shifting alliances, deepening an economic malaise and scaring off foreign investors.
But the arrival of the Morning Glory was more serious still. Oil and gas account for 95% of government revenues, and most Libyans depend on the state for salaries or handouts. Since the summer, militias in the east and west of the country had blockaded oil ports and fields, demanding more oil cash for the regions and slashing energy production. That had been bad enough. The prospect of the eastern rebels actually selling the oil promised disaster. Normally taciturn and professorial, Zeidan threatened to attack the tanker and sink it if it tried to leave.
In Es Sider, Ibrahim Jathran, 33-year-old leader of the rebels, was unflustered, greeting the Morning Glory's arrival with celebrations that included slaughtering a camel on the quayside. Charismatic and tough, he made his name leading a militia in the revolution and was later appointed head of the army's oil protection force. Last year he set up the Cyrenaica Political Bureau, named after the eastern province that contains two-thirds of the country's oil, and seized key oil terminals. Many Cyrenaicans were ambivalent, agreeing the east needed more state help, but unsure this unelected body was the way to get it. Opponents accuse Jathran of planning a breakaway state, something his supporters deny.
"All of this is against the Muslim Brotherhood, not against ordinary Tripolitanians," said Jathran's spokesman, Essam Jimani. "We don't want independence. But if the Muslim Brotherhood are too powerful and it led to civil war, we would be forced to become an independent state."
The arrival of the Morning Glory also rang alarm bells in the west. Libya was already a worry, with the growing presence of Islamist radicals and waves of migrants from sub-Saharan Africa using it as a springboard for Europe. Nato was the midwife for Libya's Arab spring revolution, its bombing devastating Gaddafi's forces, and a descent into anarchy would affect the reputations of Barack Obama and David Cameron, prime movers in that war.
Now a new reason was emerging for keeping Libya stable; its gas, piped to Italy, was a valuable alternative source of energy to a European Union dependent on supplies from an ever more erratic Russia. Western diplomats liked Zeidan: some conceded he lacked charisma, but they saw in him a liberal mediating force between Libya's factions. And London, Paris and Washington agreed that Congress should be supported as the vital underpinning of Libyan democracy.
While Morning Glory was taking on oil, US ambassador Deborah Jones declared that Jathran's actions amounted to "theft from the Libyan people". Last Monday, unperturbed by threats against it, the tanker, loaded with a cargo valued at £20m, slipped her moorings and a new factor entered the equation: the weather.
Howling winds, driving rain and heavy seas met the Morning Glory as she put to sea. Zeidan ordered armed forces to intercept, only to find the cupboard almost bare. Libya's few major warships were upside-down in Tripoli harbour, the result of Nato bombing in the revolution. Its air force was in near mutiny over changes to its command, with three air bases in open revolt, and no bombers took to the air. Instead Zeidan turned to the Libya Shield, a loose alliance of revolutionary militias. A unit in Misrata, 280 miles up the coast, commandeered a tugboat, lashed jeeps mounted with rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns to the decks, and set sail.
The tug caught up with the Morning Glory, a TV crew on board filming the firing of Grad rockets, to the whoops and cheers of the crew, aimed at the tanker. Several can be seen splashing into the sea, but at least one appears to hit its target. The footage then captured a remarkable conversation, in English, between the two captains:
Morning Glory: "Don't fire, don't fire. We have security on board we cannot do anything."
Gunboat captain: "We are not firing. Could you change the course to Misrata, please. Have you taken your map to see Misrata port, please?"
Morning Glory: "I cannot do anything, the security on the bridge, the security on the bridge, with the guns. Security on the bridge with the guns, they cannot let me do anything, please don't fire, please don't fire."
The exchange seemed to validate government claims that gunmen were holding the Morning Glory crew hostage, but the tanker outpaced the tug, which later encountered a patrolling US warship. Jathran had won.
In Tripoli the rebel triumph was the last straw for Congress, which sacked Zeidan, replacing him with former defence minister Abdullah al-Thani. Hours later, prosecutors charged Zeidan with corruption and issued a travel ban. The stage was set for a dramatic escape. At 9pm a private jet landed at Tripoli international airport, the pilot telling the control tower he was picking up diplomats. The plane parked on the VIP apron, but when a passport official turned up to check the passengers he was restrained by security guards while Zeidan got on the plane. It took off and headed for Germany, where Zeidan insisted he was innocent of corruption and denounced his sacking as a "falsification", claiming only 113 members voted to sack him, fewer than the minimum 120 required. He promised to return one day to Libya, but that may be some way off.
On Saturday night, giving his first full-length interview since his ousting, Zeidan said he fled the country after friends warned him his life was in danger, and accused Islamists of being responsible for his sacking. Speaking from Germany to a private Libyan TV station, he accused the Muslim Brotherhood of wanting to "impose its will" on Libya and repeated his claim, denied by Congress, that his removal was unconstitutional.
Congress, insisting its dismissal was lawful, decided on bold action. Misratan-led Libya Shield units, the most powerful in the country, raced east down the coastal highway to capture the rebel-held ports, running into a unit, not of rebels, but of army special forces at the coastal town of Sirte. In confused fighting five soldiers were killed, four incinerated when their vehicle was hit. Photographs of their badly burned bodies being returning to Cyrenaica spread across social media, inflaming public anger. A mixed force of Jathran's rebels, Cyrenaican militias and army units complete with howitzers was deployed at the Red Wadi, a valley blocking approaches to the ports.
Trouble spread across the country. In the western mountains, next to Tunisia, the Zintan militia, allies of Zeidan, denounced his sacking and mobilised. The Zintan militia is second only to the pro-Congress Misrata militia in strength, and both are more powerful than Libya's tiny regular army. Zintani and Misratan militia units have frequently clashed in Tripoli, vying for control of key bases. Zintan also lies along the gas and oil pipelines carrying oil from western Libya to the coast. In concert with ethnic Berbers to the north and Tobu tribesmen to the south, it has periodically cut pipelines and occupied oilfields. Were it to side with Jathran's forces in the east, it would leave the central government facing an almost total oil blockade, and the prospect of resistance on two fronts.
Adding to the confusion, leaders in the southern province of Fezzan met to consider breaking away from government control, while in Tripoli a militia stormed, looted and burned the HQ of the second infantry brigade. On Thursday, Congress speaker Nuri Abu Sahmain intervened, giving rebels two weeks to vacate the oil terminals in a bid to bring calm. Tribal elders from east and west met, hoping to find a breathing space.
But that space is limited. The Islamists in Congress have strengthened their hand by sacking Zeidan, but at the risk of polarising the opposition. Congress is itself denounced by many for staying in office after its mandate expired last month, despite MPs arguing that Libya must have a parliament until the elections this summer. Many think a breakup is now a possibility.
"Current conditions seem heavily stacked against a political solution," said Oliver Coleman, an analyst with British risk consultant Maplecroft. "There is an absence of any genuinely unifying figure to act as a bridge between Libya's factions. An Islamist-dominated Congress will find it extremely difficult to reach a negotiated settlement with Jathran, given his renowned animosity to the Muslim Brotherhood."
Jathran's rebels have vowed to hold the Red Wadi, in what some see as a de facto partition of Libya. Among those seeking dialogue is Hassan El Amin, a Misratan former dissident who quit Congress and fled back to Britain in 2012, saying he had had death threats. He is now calling for the UN to mediate. "The west should realise the issue in Libya can get really out of hand, they don't want another Syria. When we were fighting Gaddafi they [the west] came in together. We need them again."
As forces gather either side of the Red Wadi and Libyans prepare for more violence, one question remains unanswered – the fate of the Morning Glory. It was last seen late last week going east along the Egyptian coast, destination unknown. By then it hardly mattered, as news broke that a second tanker was heading for rebel-held ports.
LOL. I let the moronic leaves-smoker mouse play around around with his fake cheese just for my amusement. What a stupid and frivolous punk, an eternal refugee with smoke infected mush for what's left of its brain.
Now why do I say this? How can any person of a modicum of intelligence attach themselves to dumb fairy-tales about some nonsensical and mythical "jah". How can any person above the age of 8 years believe that some degenerate usurper on the Abyssinian throne be some kind of "God". What a confounded jackass. So amusing that such infantile stupidity is worth a 1000 LOLs.
The addle-brained fool is more in love with Israel than with anything else. What an imbecile.
Just hand the lazy specimens some leaves and and get a dissolute pink girl to swish by and their glazed eyes jump to attention. Such a dirty blight on the African race.
The jackass a while back lamented that "America does not need people like yours truly". What a naive arsehole. As if I would ever put this self in the service of the most brutal and genocidal place in world history.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
lamin
Been thinking about Libya quite a bit more and realized that the misRATas are the reason why east Libya is threanten to form there own country.
All they want is oil wealth also since most comes from them.
Whats your take on the news Me and Mike have posted, and Have you heard of Afrisynergy news on Youtube who is pro Africa and supports Gaddafi?
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!
Libyan rebel leader calls U.S. Navy "pirates" after tanker seized Reuters By Ulf Laessing and Ayman al-Warfalli March 18, 2014 3:39 PM
TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - A Libyan rebel leader accused the United States on Tuesday of behaving like pirates after U.S. naval forces seized an oil-laden tanker that had sailed from a rebel-held port in the east of the chaotic North African state.
Ibrahim Jathran
Ibrahim Jathran's defiant speech dampened hopes of a quick peaceful settlement with Libya's central government to end a blockage of three oil ports his men took over in summer to press for eastern autonomy and a greater share of oil revenues.
The conflict reflects wider chaos in Libya where the government has been struggling to rein in militias that helped overthrow dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 but kept their guns to become powerful political players.
On Sunday, U.S. forces stormed a tanker that had made it as far as the eastern Mediterranean off Cyprus after loading crude at the Es Sider port, one of three Jahtran's men have occupied, and eluding Libyan government forces off-shore. The ship is now on its way back to a government-controlled port.
The Tripoli government has given Jahtran's group two weeks to clear the ports or face a military offensive to end the port blockage, which has crippled the OPEC country's finances.
But in a speech broadcast by a rebel television station, Jathran did not mention a government offer to hold new talks and said his group would continue its struggle.
"We will continue our fight for our right to dream of a better tomorrow for our children and families," said Jathran, calling for the United Nations and Arab League to intervene to help the people of eastern Libya.
"We urge the United States government to refrain from siding with the extremists currently holding power in Tripoli," he said, describing the U.S. navy operation as "piracy".
"We call on the U.S. authorities to guarantee the safety of our sons on board and of the entire crew, and to ensure that the tanker is promptly returned to us," he said, confirming that his men had boarded the ship after loading oil.
Jathran, based in Ajdabiya in eastern Libya, defended his repeated attempts to bypass Tripoli in selling oil. "We declare and confirm that, indeed, the majority of Libyan tribes have agreed to the necessity of taking hold of our resources for the benefit of the people," Jathran said.
While Jathran's oil sale proved unsuccessful this time, the episode led to the dismissal of Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan, who fled to Europe last week.
Western powers, worried that Libya might fracture or slide deeper into anarchy, have been training Libyan armed forces and cajoling conflicting parties in government to work together, to little avail.
But diplomats say the nascent army would struggle in any case to take on Jathran's men, who helped overthrow Gaddafi. He defected last year as head of a state oil protection force, taking with him his armed men.
Amazing is an understatement. We are back Mike111.
Two years ago during the Libya war I told them as much on this forum. I asked them to keep sight of thje Sanusiis of Libya, the black sufi order of Libya, Sudan, Chad, and Nigeria, Cameroon.
They are back. They will work it out for sure. You know the batard Kadafi and his international bank controllers had 40 years to mess things up.
But them Muurs will work it out right.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: LOL. I let the moronic leaves-smoker mouse play around around with his fake cheese just for my amusement. What a stupid and frivolous punk, an eternal refugee with smoke infected mush for what's left of its brain.
Now why do I say this? How can any person of a modicum of intelligence attach themselves to dumb fairy-tales about some nonsensical and mythical "jah". How can any person above the age of 8 years believe that some degenerate usurper on the Abyssinian throne be some kind of "God". What a confounded jackass. So amusing that such infantile stupidity is worth a 1000 LOLs.
The addle-brained fool is more in love with Israel than with anything else. What an imbecile.
Just hand the lazy specimens some leaves and and get a dissolute pink girl to swish by and their glazed eyes jump to attention. Such a dirty blight on the African race.
The jackass a while back lamented that "America does not need people like yours truly". What a naive arsehole. As if I would ever put this self in the service of the most brutal and genocidal place in world history.
My Girl's still crying.
Honey, I must have come down too hard on you.
Sorry... sweetie, sorri
I rather see Muur of this:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!
Ibrahim Jathran
........
than this:
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I'm really liking this guy Ibrahim Jathran, I just read that he doesn't like the Muslim Brotherhood. (I remember them from their "Anti everybody else" tactics in Egypt.
Most Africans need some kind of paternalistic government like Mugabe gives Zimbabwe.
But Libya has great wealth, a small population, and educated people. I see no reason why democracy can't work for them.
I hope they don't fuch this up.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Muslim brotherhood are a Turkish controlled mafia. Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey is hard core Muslim brotherhood mason...
Turkey is their base.
The Sanussis are an African Fraternal Order. Libyan and Chad is their base. They fought the French and Italians until they fled from Africa. They empower the Africans of Libya, Chad, Sudan, Nigeria, materially, philosophically and culturally. They stand for self determination for the Muurz!
Kadafi was a half Turk, half Italian Corporal-Sergeant in the former Italian colonial Army that used to shoot and kill black Libyans. Then he was coup-ed into power by America and Britain to upset the Resurgent movement of African self-determinism piloted by the Sanussis....
But we are back again. In the power and spirit of, Al Sanussi, of Al Omar Moctar, Marcus Garvey etc etc!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
By the spirit and power of Omar Moctar!
A great Muur of Libie, freedom has come to the land again;
The Italians are gone, ... the British, the French, and the Turks with their bastards;
The Muur shall stretch forth his hand to goodness;
Princes shall strode from Libie, Morocco and Ityopia!
The MUUR has arisen again!:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: I stand to be corrected but this could be the real picture of Omar Moctar
Lol. I am handing a serious beat-down on this specimen in love with the phony place called Israel, in love like a love-sick moron with the stupid concoction the lazy and weak-brained morons call "jah" and their infantile worship of the near-dwarf slave-holder Haile Selassie as "God". Just rank stupidity of the lowest denominator.
Well what else to expect from eternal refugees with their lice-filled hair--all to attract dissolute and frustrated pinkies? Their stupid cry, taken after their dissolute and diminutive hand-picked master, is "one love"--while their befuddled brains are made more mushy with all that smoke. The pinkies love it while their captured fools wallow in self-degradation.
I put up posts written by authors who have access to all the material on Libya and all the braying jackass does is to photo-up some puppet Libyan as representing something. The fool should know better--but sadly it doesn't. Clarence Thomas is a SC judge in America. Barack Obama was put in the U.S. Big House as a pampered overseer of the Plantation and the dumb leaves-smoker trots out some Libyan puppet-for-show as if anyone with half a brain would not see through that.
The confused refugee-slave befuddled with leaves and pinkies lives ever happily in its Babylon as long as there are leaves, pinkies, their stupid chatter of "muurs"(LOL, what an AH) and "Jah".
Pereira is a small boy repeating hearsays he barely understands.
Just like you are a young girl with a maturing mind, not quite there.
Here is the news:
In May 2007, Nigeria made history as it launched the first communication satellite in Africa. The launch of the Nigerian Communication Satellite-1 involved the transportation of the spacecraft from ground into the geo-stationary orbit which is about 35,200 km away from earth. Nigeria paid for that project by itself.
This was followed by the successful launch of the first-ever Pan-African telecommunications satellite RASCOM-QAF1 which was sponsored jointly by institutions such as: The Libyan African Investment Portfolio, (LAIP), the African Development Bank (ADB) the Bank of West African Development (BOAD) and the Bank of Central African Development (BDEAC).
The South African, Nigerian, Angolan, Algerian and a second African-wide satellite all launched in July 2010, were sponsored by their respective state owners. Libya was not involved.
You want MUUR news?
All the wars and coups and assasinations that Kadafi caused in Africa, he was sponsored by British M15, CIA (re:Charles Taylor) and the bankers of Switzwerland.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Reposting....
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Honey
Just how many wars did the batard Kadafi cause in West Africa?
Did Karl Marx and Macimilia also explain that to you???
Do you guys respect the pains of indigenous African children?
How many limbs did Kadafi caught in Sierra Leone?
NEVER AGAIN!
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
LOL. I am enjoying this. The stupid leaves specimen always stink with leaves and always spouting imbecilities about "muurs" and "jah" slaving away in their beloved Babylon .
All the AH does--LOL--is trot the handiwork of U.S. stooge Charles Taylor as proof of anything. LOL. What a dumb punk--always covering up its confused slave mind with adulation of their phoney Zion, "Jah" and "Muurs". It's really unfair to have to unload a few brain cells on a stupid refugee-exile in its beloved Babylon.
Just keep the fun coming. I suffer fools gladly sometimes.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^LOL! Honey, no comments??? What is scaring you?
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Reposting....
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Honey
Just how many wars did the batard Kadafi cause in West Africa?
Did Karl Marx and Macimilia also explain that to you???
Do you guys respect the pains of indigenous African children?
MUUR to come...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: bla bla bla...All the AH does--LOL--is trot the handiwork of U.S. stooge Charles Taylor as proof of anything. LOLOLOLOL...
Honey
Gadafi was also a Western/US stooge used in destabilizing Africa.
He just fooled you like so many other young girls like you.
Follow his Billions Dollars... which banks have them???
African banks or US banks?
Where your wealth is, so lies your heart.
Any MUUR questions???
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The New Libya: MUURZ!!!
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: I rather see this:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!
quote:Originally posted by lamin: bla bla bla...All the AH does--LOL--is trot the handiwork of U.S. stooge Charles Taylor as proof of anything. LOLOLOLOL...
Honey
Smell the morning coffee:
quote:Africa: Gaddafi Worried As Taylor Remains in Custody
By Chege Mbitiru
Nairobi — Politicians retool themselves as domestic and foreign political climate requires. Libya's leader Muammar Gadaffi, has done a good job. His past though keeps getting in the way.
Twice in half a month, Colonel Gaddafi criticised Liberia's former President Charles Taylor's deportation from Nigeria. He also opposed Mr Taylor's possible trial at the International Criminal Court, at The Hague.
Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh, were trained and armed by Libya. In Liberia, Taylor slashed and burned an entire country -- and recruited an army of child soldiers to join him. In Sierra Leone, Sankoh's Revolutionary United Front soldiers savagely chopped off limbs and raped their way through villages. So integral was the Libyan leader's involvement that the Special Court for Sierra Leone reportedly considered indicting him.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh, were trained and armed by Libya. In Liberia, Taylor slashed and burned an entire country -- and recruited an army of child soldiers to join him. In Sierra Leone, Sankoh's Revolutionary United Front soldiers savagely chopped off limbs and raped their way through villages. So integral was the Libyan leader's involvement that the Special Court for Sierra Leone reportedly considered indicting him.
Gadafi girls
Bodyguards: Many of Gaddafi's famous battalion of female guards had also been abused by the despot
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
What trauma and circumstances might that be?
Micheal you do realize Africa is under imperialism and neo colonialism?
The methodical nature of those things can transform sanity relatively easy.
Most cases these are not individuals who sit in front of their flatscreen with the AC full tilt and a fridge full of food determining which political candidate has their best interest at heart.
Supposedly the place is rich, so why isn't that so?
Well maybe there has been some bloodshed and maybe there happens to be a well ordered structure allowing for things like famine, war and corruption to thrive, hence systematic trauma and the circumstances that ensue.
Along comes any charlatan waving the anti-west flag with a bag of rice and there you have a sea of destitute individuals thirsty for change.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Hopefully North Africa and the rest of the continent will take some serious lessons from the millions of Chinese who are there to do business in Africa. Africans, if they are wise should learn to realize why China hasn't been stolen and craved up by Europeans like Africa. That the reason why is a concept totally foreign to most Africans called, continental Unity.
It won't matter if Libya has black rulers, or mulatto Arabs in place. They will still be disconnected from the rest of Africa and whenever they refuse Israeli/US/European orders, one of their African neighbours will be right there to subvert them.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Namerthoth
I beg to disagree. The Sanusis are something else. Try read up on them.
That was the Nation of Islam before it came to America.
Marcus Garvey's teacher, Duse Mohammed was a Sanusi from Egypt.
The Sanusis are different. And they now run Libya.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
What trauma and circumstances might that be?
Micheal you do realize Africa is under imperialism and neo colonialism?
The methodical nature of those things can transform sanity relatively easy.
Most cases these are not individuals who sit in front of their flatscreen with the AC full tilt and a fridge full of food determining which political candidate has their best interest at heart.
Supposedly the place is rich, so why isn't that so?
Well maybe there has been some bloodshed and maybe there happens to be a well ordered structure allowing for things like famine, war and corruption to thrive, hence systematic trauma and the circumstances that ensue.
Along comes any charlatan waving the anti-west flag with a bag of rice and there you have a sea of destitute individuals thirsty for change.
You are explaining facts and history to a fool, he will not understand. He is one of these self loathing slave blacks from the west. You can't speak sensibly to that type.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Namerthoth
I beg to disagree. The Sanusis are something else. Try read up on them.
That was the Nation of Islam before it came to America.
Marcus Garvey's teacher, Duse Mohammed was a Sanusi from Egypt.
The Sanusis are different. And they now run Libya.
Sorry Lion, but there are no more Marcus Garvey's in the world in power.
In the 1920s, Garvey spoke of and moved with the objective to unify all of Africa. Back then, he understood how essential unity was to Africa's survival. Unfortunately, African's feared Garvey and unity just as much as America & Europeans did. Africans prefer tribalism over freedom and security.
Who else is speaking of African unity?
Whoever is currently in power positions in Libya today, you can bet they are there due to Israel/US/Europe.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I hope Black ruled Libya IS disconnected from the rest of Africa, that will increase their chance of survival. There is nothing good that the people to the south can teach them.
I hope the government understands that they SHOULD play ball with those who can destroy them. They need a period of calm in which to settle their internal disputes and build a new society.
As it appears from Adams calendar, in the beginning, civilization moved from the south to the north in Africa.
I never understood why advanced Egyptian influence stopped at Sudan. But if Black Libya is successful, perhaps Africa will have another chance at learning how to move forward from those in the north.
Peregrine - What, Africans are so fragile that they must have comfortable, conflict free environments before they can figure things out, and move forward?
I always wondered why in all of these 400,000+ years, southern Africans never moved very far forward. Well now I know.
But judging by that, it will be another 400,000+ years before Africans can make a move again. Because for sure, the world is not looking to give Africans any special breaks. Either they learn to move forward like every other people had to do, or they stay right where they are.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Mike,
It's only been 3 years. Have you forgotten so soon how very easy it was for the "Allies" to topple Libya as it's neighbours helplessly looked on? Whoever is in charge in Libya matters not. If they will it, the allies can easily dispose of them too.
I wouldn't say that over time Africa hasn't "moved forward", as you say. The problem is Africa's abundance allowed them to have a different mindset from those in regions of extreme lack and hardship (Northern/Central Asia, Northern Europe) and back then, a continent full of isolated non-conforming tribes was alright.
Examining China's history we see the same multitude of warring fractions akin to Africa. However, many understood the need for unity and during the three kingdoms wars managed to unify the country.
Believe it or not, China's unification is what saved it from being totally conquered by Europe. Without it, China would have ended up the same as Africa, broken up and kept in isolated tribes with no consolidated plan for fight off the invaders.
I'd not be so quick to diss Africans though. The same pattern can easily be observed in African Americans.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Namerthoth
I beg to disagree. The Sanusis are something else. Try read up on them.
That was the Nation of Islam before it came to America.
Marcus Garvey's teacher, Duse Mohammed was a Sanusi from Egypt.
The Sanusis are different. And they now run Libya.
Sorry Lion, but there are no more Marcus Garvey's in the world in power.
In the 1920s, Garvey spoke of and moved with the objective to unify all of Africa. Back then, he understood how essential unity was to Africa's survival. Unfortunately, African's feared Garvey and unity just as much as America & Europeans did. Africans prefer tribalism over freedom and security.
Who else is speaking of African unity?
Whoever is currently in power positions in Libya today, you can bet they are there due to Israel/US/Europe.
more stupidity from the peanut gallery. Nkrumah advocated for unifying the continent and outsiders had him ousted. Ghaddafi spoke of unifying and we see where that got him. There were others before both of them by the way and they all meet the same fate. You slave blacks of the west need to stop pulling ideas from your ignorant fantasies and start researching facts. You monkeys don't understand that the continent is still under colonization. Why did Côte d’Ivoire go through civil war? Was it caused internally or from outside forces? What about Angola's war, who caused it? The same of Sierra Leone, who caused it, what were the factors? You ignorant savages speak so brazenly without a drop of knowledge about Africa.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
^ LOL, don't get mad because of your inability to conquer your FEAR.
Monkeys? Your reactionary response sounds very much like a white man's, or some mulatto Turk.
All of the internal African conflicts you've listed above only further prove my point about Africa's disjointed broken up country disconnections and the ultimate result of maintaining same.
Tell me, where was your rage and anger when the white man was raiding Libya and snatching it out of Africa's control? Probably cheering for the allies, right. Where was the AU, and their response? Where is the AU NOW?
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ LOL, don't get mad because of your inability to conquer your FEAR.
Monkeys? Your reactionary response sounds very much like a white man's, or some mulatto Turk.
All of the internal African conflicts you've listed above only further prove my point about Africa's disjointed broken up country disconnections and the ultimate result of maintaining same.
Tell me, where was your rage and anger when the white man was raiding Libya and snatching it out of Africa's control? Probably cheering for the allies, right.
You can not answer questions, with more question and might i add, silly ones at that.
PS
I am black like the oil, so no half caste blood flowing through these veins.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Type Zeiss, Narmerthoth,
Libya was always controlled by the white boi.
Kadafi was just an agent who lost sight of his role and had to be disciplined by his bosses.
How much of Gadafi's (Libyan stolen money) money in the western banks were seized? $1 Trillion.
Who was his money manager? Rothschild.
Where a man's wealth is, lies his heart.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ LOL, don't get mad because of your inability to conquer your FEAR.
Monkeys? Your reactionary response sounds very much like a white man's, or some mulatto Turk.
All of the internal African conflicts you've listed above only further prove my point about Africa's disjointed broken up country disconnections and the ultimate result of maintaining same.
Tell me, where was your rage and anger when the white man was raiding Libya and snatching it out of Africa's control? Probably cheering for the allies, right.
You can not answer questions, with more question and might i add, silly ones at that.
PS
I am black like the oil, so no half caste blood flowing through these veins.
Your skin may be black, but your mind sounds white Your answers are in my questions.
None of those internal wars would have been possible had Africa gained unification in it's long history.
It's one thing for Russia/Israel/US/Europe to play independent African countries to their will, but something totally different had they been dealing with a politically consolidated continent.
Why don't you Africans get that?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
WHERE YOUR MONEY IS, LIES YOUR HEART!
Goldman Sachs Lost 98% of Libya's $1.3B Sovereign Wealth Fund Investment
As civil war roars on in Libya and Colonel Muammar Gadhafi vows to remain in power, reports surfaced that the Northern African country entrusted $1.3 billion through its sovereign wealth fund to Goldman Sachs in 2007, of which the investment bank lost approximately 98%, sparking the ire of Libyan officials....
It most definitely was not "always controlled by the white boi". That is a relatively recent event. Second, do not confused the Libya of the Greeks and Romans with the Libya of today. Libya was the term Greeks and Romans called ALL of Africa.
As to the rest of what you said, the bottom line is, until Africans can regain control of the continent and stop the neo colonization that is still in practice, we will always be in a position of the "dog and master"
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: IronLion
It most definitely was not "always controlled by the white boi". That is a relatively recent event. Second, do not confused the Libya of the Greeks and Romans with the Libya of today. Libya was the term Greeks and Romans called ALL of Africa.
As to the rest of what you said, the bottom line is, until Africans can regain control of the continent and stop the neo colonization that is still in practice, we will always be in a position of the "dog and master"
We have no argument on then....
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Type Zeiss, Narmerthoth,
Libya was always controlled by the white boi.
Kadafi was just an agent who lost sight of his role and had to be disciplined by his bosses.
How much of Gadafi's (Libyan stolen money) money in the western banks were seized? $1 Trillion.
Who was his money manager? Rothschild.
Where a man's wealth is, lies his heart.
Lion, for centuries, every African ruler is put there or allowed to remain in position because of the will of the white man. Idi Amin was placed in Uganda because of Israel/UK. He rebelled, threw them out, and where is he today?
Unless you store your wealth in Gold, It's impossible to bank anywhere in the world outside of Rothchild. Even then, it's Rothchild who states the gold price each day. Why? Because they control the worldwide gold mines in Africa, south America, Europe, US and even in parts of China. The Rothchild estimated net worth is somewhere around 70% of the world's total currency. As I recall, it's Something like $70T, or more
Sorry, after a quick check, I find my estimate is low by a magnitude. The Rothchild estimated worth is actually, $700T.
The world shadow banking system alone is estimated to be $100T.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ LOL, don't get mad because of your inability to conquer your FEAR.
Monkeys? Your reactionary response sounds very much like a white man's, or some mulatto Turk.
All of the internal African conflicts you've listed above only further prove my point about Africa's disjointed broken up country disconnections and the ultimate result of maintaining same.
Tell me, where was your rage and anger when the white man was raiding Libya and snatching it out of Africa's control? Probably cheering for the allies, right.
You can not answer questions, with more question and might i add, silly ones at that.
PS
I am black like the oil, so no half caste blood flowing through these veins.
Your skin may be black, but your mind sounds white Your answers are in my questions.
None of those internal wars would have been possible had Africa gained unification in it's long history.
It's one thing for Russia/Israel/US/Europe to play independent African countries to their will, but something totally different had they been dealing with a politically consolidated continent.
Why don't you Africans get that?
Are you stupid or what?
If you get even ONE group of people in a unified empire, who are unhappy, and the devil whispers in their ear that they can help these dissenters rid themselves of their overlords, then its all down here from there. That is what happened with the Turkish Khalifa and the Europeans getting their foothold in with those moronic Arabs, over the Turks. That is what happened with every other empire on the face of the planet. It has to be much more meaningful in terms of healing the sick minds of Africans before any such unified system will work and last. This is why we need to understand authentic Africa history and modernize ancient institutions and teach Africans based on African ideals and methodologies.
Your assertions only show that you do not fully understand the complexity of the situation. DO not get me wrong, I do agree on one level with your monkey @ss, but I think you need to dig a bit deeper.
PS
I am taking the piss when I call people of the diaspora Monkeys and slaves. It isn't from the heart. It is more out of frustration in terms of the level of ignorance some of our people have. We need to educate our people FAST and accurately if things are to change.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Type Zeiss, Narmerthoth,
Libya was always controlled by the white boi.
Kadafi was just an agent who lost sight of his role and had to be disciplined by his bosses.
How much of Gadafi's (Libyan stolen money) money in the western banks were seized? $1 Trillion.
Who was his money manager? Rothschild.
Where a man's wealth is, lies his heart.
Lion, for centuries, every African ruler is put there or allowed to remain in position because of the will of the white man. Idi Amin was placed in Uganda because of Israel/UK. He rebelled, threw them out, and where is he today?
Unless you store your wealth in Gold, It's impossible to bank anywhere in the world outside of Rothchild. Even then, it's Rothchild who states the gold price each day. Why? Because they control the worldwide gold mines in Africa, south America, Europe, US and even in parts of China. The Rothchild estimated net worth is somewhere around 70% of the world's total currency. As I recall, it's Something like $70T, or more
Sorry, after a quick check, I find my estimate is low by a magnitude. The Rothchild estimated worth is actually, $700T.
The world shadow banking system alone is estimated to be $100T.
Said! Seen!
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
^ Dis-unity is caused in many ways and Europe uses many methods;
1. Tribe Vs Tribe
2. Religion (Local Vs Christian Vs Islam Vs....)
3. Political (Socialist Vs Capitalists Vs Communist)
4. Caste (Rich Vs Poor)
Of all of the above, true enlightenment can overcome all.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Dis-unity is caused in many ways and Europe uses many methods;
1. Tribe Vs Tribe
2. Religion (Local Vs Christian Vs Islam Vs....)
3. Political (Socialist Vs Capitalists Vs Communist)
4. Caste (Rich Vs Poor)
Of all of the above, true enlightenment can overcome all.
Yes I agree, now we are on the same page. A lot of work needs to be done.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
True Dat!
A lot of work, but not much time and lots of misdirection due to lack of appropriate planning and coordination in this one sided WAR.
The second wave of the new and improved Bio-hazard, AIDS+ is on the way.
The 1st wave failed in achieving the intended results, but thanks to the wonderful advances in Genetics, and the wonderfully ignorant Negro universities and colleges who support it, new enhanced targeting bio-specific agents have been developed to continue the work of depleting black Africans from Africa.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: You monkeys don't understand that the continent is still under colonization. Why did Côte d’Ivoire go through civil war? Was it caused internally or from outside forces? What about Angola's war, who caused it? The same of Sierra Leone, who caused it, what were the factors? You ignorant savages speak so brazenly without a drop of knowledge about Africa.
So then in other words, when Whites come in and get Africans to fight among themselves, it is not really the Africans fault. After all, everyone understands what a childlike, impressionable, uncomfortable with deep, logical thought, Africans are. So how could they possibly be expected to know not to fight each other just because some White man says to do it.
See there - though we use different terminology typeZeiss my brother, we agree totally. All I was saying before, is that it may take another 400,000+ years before Africans learn not to play that game.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: You monkeys don't understand that the continent is still under colonization. Why did Côte d’Ivoire go through civil war? Was it caused internally or from outside forces? What about Angola's war, who caused it? The same of Sierra Leone, who caused it, what were the factors? You ignorant savages speak so brazenly without a drop of knowledge about Africa.
So then in other words, when Whites come in and get Africans to fight among themselves, it is not really the Africans fault. After all, everyone understands what a childlike, impressionable, uncomfortable with deep, logical thought, Africans are. So how could they possibly be expected to know not to fight each other just because some White man says to do it.
See there - though we use different terminology typeZeiss my brother, we agree totally. All I was saying before, is that it may take another 400,000+ years before Africans learn not to play that game.
You are really this thick? Really? Do you do drugs or drink shortly before posting? Europeans fought two so called "world wars", though they generally only involved themselves in these wars and not the world. They killed each other in the Balkans, in the former USSR, in the British Isles (Irish Versus Anglo) and on and on it goes. What you are discussing has nothing to do with being African or anything else. It has to do with being human and to do with people playing behind the scenes, to manipulate a situation to their advantage. You need to un-stupid yourself via rigorous education that involves more than searching flickr for "Black Europeans".
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: True Dat!
A lot of work, but not much time and lots of misdirection due to lack of appropriate planning and coordination in this one sided WAR.
The second wave of the new and improved Bio-hazard, AIDS+ is on the way.
The 1st wave failed in achieving the intended results, but thanks to the wonderful advances in Genetics, and the wonderfully ignorant Negro universities and colleges who support it, new enhanced targeting bio-specific agents have been developed to continue the work of depleting black Africans from Africa.
That stuff (aids) only works in Christian dominated Africa. Not because tey are christian per say but because those areas generally have taken a more European menality. That permiscuity has allowed them to contract that disease. With proper education and a return to classical Africal ideals, it will render AIDs and anything else useless.
By the way, there was a GREAT documentary about the manufacture of AIDS in Central Africa by these western doctors, looking for a polo vaccine and used infected monkey bladders in the treatments. They tested the vaccine in Central Africa and magically that is where the starting point of AIDS seems to have been. I think this is the one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZs1V8mpcoY Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: You monkeys don't understand that the continent is still under colonization. Why did Côte d’Ivoire go through civil war? Was it caused internally or from outside forces? What about Angola's war, who caused it? The same of Sierra Leone, who caused it, what were the factors? You ignorant savages speak so brazenly without a drop of knowledge about Africa.
So then in other words, when Whites come in and get Africans to fight among themselves, it is not really the Africans fault. After all, everyone understands what a childlike, impressionable, uncomfortable with deep, logical thought, Africans are. So how could they possibly be expected to know not to fight each other just because some White man says to do it.
See there - though we use different terminology typeZeiss my brother, we agree totally. All I was saying before, is that it may take another 400,000+ years before Africans learn not to play that game.
You are really this thick? Really? Do you do drugs or drink shortly before posting? Europeans fought two so called "world wars", though they generally only involved themselves in these wars and not the world. They killed each other in the Balkans, in the former USSR, in the British Isles (Irish Versus Anglo) and on and on it goes. What you are discussing has nothing to do with being African or anything else. It has to do with being human and to do with people playing behind the scenes, to manipulate a situation to their advantage. You need to un-stupid yourself via rigorous education that involves more than searching flickr for "Black Europeans".
It's a question of degree.
It took the Albino people less than 100 years to figure out that wars among themselves was a bad idea. See: The league of nations and the United Nations.
Just wondering why Africans have such a problem with the concept.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: You monkeys don't understand that the continent is still under colonization. Why did Côte d’Ivoire go through civil war? Was it caused internally or from outside forces? What about Angola's war, who caused it? The same of Sierra Leone, who caused it, what were the factors? You ignorant savages speak so brazenly without a drop of knowledge about Africa.
So then in other words, when Whites come in and get Africans to fight among themselves, it is not really the Africans fault. After all, everyone understands what a childlike, impressionable, uncomfortable with deep, logical thought, Africans are. So how could they possibly be expected to know not to fight each other just because some White man says to do it.
See there - though we use different terminology typeZeiss my brother, we agree totally. All I was saying before, is that it may take another 400,000+ years before Africans learn not to play that game.
You are really this thick? Really? Do you do drugs or drink shortly before posting? Europeans fought two so called "world wars", though they generally only involved themselves in these wars and not the world. They killed each other in the Balkans, in the former USSR, in the British Isles (Irish Versus Anglo) and on and on it goes. What you are discussing has nothing to do with being African or anything else. It has to do with being human and to do with people playing behind the scenes, to manipulate a situation to their advantage. You need to un-stupid yourself via rigorous education that involves more than searching flickr for "Black Europeans".
It's a question of degree.
It took the Albino people less than 100 years to figure out that wars among themselves was a bad idea. See: The league of nations and the United Nations.
Just wondering why Africans have such a problem with the concept.
Another absolutley ignorant statement.
"World War II" 1939 - 1945 (ended 69 yrs ago)
Bosnian War 1992 -1995 (ended 19 yrs ago)
Yogoslav War 1991 - 1999 (ended 15 yrs ago)
Irish War of Independence 1919 - 1921 (ended 93 years ago, although technical hostilities didn't actual stop until 1997)
Again, you do not have a firm grasp on reality or history. So we can not intelligently have this conversation. One of us will be dealing with facts and the other, unmitigated emotions.
Oh I forgot the on going stuff:
Yogoslovia Chechniya Dogistan Ukraine Ingushetia
and on it goes.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:It's a question of degree.
It took the Albino people less than 100 years to figure out that wars among themselves was a bad idea. See: The league of nations and the United Nations.
Just wondering why Africans have such a problem with the concept.
Another absolutley ignorant statement.
"World War II" 1939 - 1945 (ended 69 yrs ago)
Bosnian War 1992 -1995 (ended 19 yrs ago)
Yogoslav War 1991 - 1999 (ended 15 yrs ago)
Irish War of Independence 1919 - 1921 (ended 93 years ago, although technical hostilities didn't actual stop until 1997)
Again, you do not have a firm grasp on reality or history. So we can not intelligently have this conversation. One of us will be dealing with facts and the other, unmitigated emotions.
Oh I forgot the on going stuff:
Yogoslovia Chechniya Dogistan Ukraine Ingushetia
and on it goes.
The are only two people who would answer my post in such a way: Lioness and an African. Only I think Lioness would be able to make a logical connection between the numbers.
Damn! Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:It's a question of degree.
It took the Albino people less than 100 years to figure out that wars among themselves was a bad idea. See: The league of nations and the United Nations.
Just wondering why Africans have such a problem with the concept.
Another absolutley ignorant statement.
"World War II" 1939 - 1945 (ended 69 yrs ago)
Bosnian War 1992 -1995 (ended 19 yrs ago)
Yogoslav War 1991 - 1999 (ended 15 yrs ago)
Irish War of Independence 1919 - 1921 (ended 93 years ago, although technical hostilities didn't actual stop until 1997)
Again, you do not have a firm grasp on reality or history. So we can not intelligently have this conversation. One of us will be dealing with facts and the other, unmitigated emotions.
Oh I forgot the on going stuff:
Yogoslovia Chechniya Dogistan Ukraine Ingushetia
and on it goes.
The are only two people who would answer my post in such a way: Lioness and an African. Only I think Lioness would be able to make a logical connection between the numbers.
Damn!
You stated a falsehood, you got a exposed, nothing much else to discuss here.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Rather than examining White wars on their surface, it would be best to examine what is beneath. Than you learn to appreciate the extreme depravity of the white mind. Take the so-called Cold War between Communism & Capitalism (Russia Vs US).
For decades both preyed on the world and took in tens of trillions of dollars to maintain the illusion that either would use nuclear weapons against the other in a world ending war. The citizens of both countries, as well as allied countries fell for the ruse and willing dumped up to 80% of their GDP into a fake arms race and military build-up for over 50 years.
Today, the government's of both Russia and America are broke and the people in charge of both with banks full of dollars and Rubles are Ashkenazi Jews. With an end to the cold war, the gates have been opened and the largest immigration group to the US are Russians. Since the US census lists Blacks, whites, Indians, ect., and NOT people of Jewish heritage, no one know exactly how many Ashkenazi Jews are presently in America. If you ask them, they'd say less than 2%, but that's a bold faced lie.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
The Strange Currency of the Israeli Occupation.
(Read the comments section also). Btw, the settler was a newly arrived Russian Jew.
The destruction of Libya nickname the Switzerland of Africa by Western imperialist powers was wrong. The mass murder and lynching of the black Libyans who were the greatest supporters of President Kaddafi by Western mercenary army was wrong. I cant support the destruction of any country by Western imperialist army, I cant support the mass murder of innocent civilians because they supported a president.
Libya was destroyed by the West because of President Kaddafi plan of an African bank and a gold dinar currency to compete with the Petrodollar, the Euro, the Franc CFA, the IMF and World Bank. Western international bankers doesn't want competition, they want a monopoly in world reserve currency and international banking.
IronLion I think you support the Sanussi ex royal family of Libya because they originated in Nigeria. Royal dynasty doesn't last forever, after 300 years they become corrupt and must be replace by another dynasty. The Kaddafi dynasty deposed and replaced the corrupt and incompetent Sanussi dynasty. The Kaddafi dynasty did a great job transforming Libya from a poor country into the richest country in Africa. The Kaddafi dynasty would have become corrupt after 300 years in power and would have been depose by another dynasty.
After being destroyed by the West Libya is now divided between guerillas and Islamist groups. The Sanussi family only have power in the Benghazi area were they are popular. The Sanussi are a mainly mulato(light skin black) family with a minority of black.
Mulato Sanussi King Idris I deposed by Colonel Kaddafi in 1969.
Mulato Colonel Kaddafi
Mulato Ibrahim jatran(Dominican Phenotype)
Mulato Saif Kaddafi (Cuban Phenotype)
Black Libyan being killed by Nato mercenary.
Black Libyan being killed by Nato mercenary.
I don't know if Kaddafi can be blame for the atrocities committed against the Sierra Leone and Liberian people by the Liberian President Charles Taylor and Sierra Leone guerilla leader Fode Sanko. Sanko guerilla amputated the limbs of thousands of innocent Sierra Leone civilians. How can a human being look at a children, teenagers, women and men eyes and amputated their limbs. Sanko guerilla was a bunch of barbarians. Politicians are liars there is the possibility that Charles Taylor and Fode Sankoh lied to Kaddafi to received money and turned around doing something else. The ANC of Nelson Mandela was financed by Kaddafi they didn't amputated the limbs of their enemy.
Victim of Charles Taylor and Fode Sankoh hands cutting guerilla.
NarmerThot I agree the cold war was a big scam between Western European countries leaded by the USA and Eastern European countries leaded by Russia. The Western and Eastern blocks were both control by London and New York international banking families. The USA and Russia didn't go to war against each other instead they used proxy countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America to fight their capitalist against communist wars. Colored people killed each other for the white Europeans ideological non sense cold war games. The bankers made a lot of money in that foolish arms race between USA and Russia.
According to conspiracy theorists the international bankers of London and New York financed the Russian communist revolution and the German Nazi rised to power and rebuilding of Germany.
I hope the current political tension between the West and Russia over Ukraine and Crimea is not a stage bankers game.
The USA is the second Jewish center of power in the world after the UK. Millions of Jews from Russia and Eastern Europe migrated to the USA during the past 50 years to controled the USA the world superpower. Today they control the USA.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: ... The ANC of Nelson Mandela was financed by Kaddafi they didn't amputated the lambs of their enemy.
Victim of Charles Taylor and Fode Sankoh hands cutting guerilla.
No, Libya tried, but the ANC was financed mainly by Nigeria. Mandela was briefly in exile in Nigeria, so was Thabo Mbeki and thousands of other ANC officials.
Nigeria, Ethiopia, Angola, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Zambia, Ghana and Uganda did infinitely more for ANC than Kadafi. The records are there.
You can google for Apartheid and the "Frontline States" for more information.
Moreover, the Sanusis are not a family. They are a Sufi movement that encompasses Libya, Chad, Nigeria, Suda, Cameroon, Mali, Niger, etc.... Those are black people, nah?
mena7 you are free to do a google search or you can close your eyes and say "I don't believe it".
Here is Sanusi Lamido the former Central Bank Governor of Nigeria. A Sanusi Sufi, a Muur: Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Wow,
Great and Healthy Debate.
Learning a lot from all sides.
Just have to say after watching the vids and reading up on Libya.
NONE WERE INNOCENT, including the sanussi.
They all got corrupted by power and greed and held back there country from growing and sided with the very people who would do in Libya and West Africa.
Africans CAN unite, but Like TypeZ said it will education and just verbaly letting out the air or stress of what MANY of Africans have faced.
What they Need is a HUGE BLACK ON BLACK PSCHYCOLOGY SESSION where everyone young and old can just talk out the problems they have faced in there lives and there feelings on there country leaders.
No Note taking, writing down answers unless the people poor and rich ask for it, and they need to come to terms with Africans in the diaspora(Mainly slave descended, and natural Indigenous blacks in the Americas) so they don't look down or up to them for satisfaction either good or bad.
We see how the AA's behaved when they established themselves in Liberia...AS WHITES DURING SLAVES TIMES. Its the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENING IN ISRAEL WITH JEWS AND PALESTINIANS. Jews persecuted in Europe, so Now they persecute in Palestine. sad circle of events its the LESSER THEN syndrome. I will hate someone I feel is less then me, because someone hated on me.
Sad but true about all of Africa and the tribal wars we see happening, in these countries(Lesser then).
Teach African unity through education and realizing, THEY CAN'T WAIT ON WHITES TO TELL THERE STORY, TELL IT THEMSELVES. You think Africans don't complain that countries with KNOWN black pasts are being ignored and taken from them by euros and now gayrabs??? STOP COMPLAINING AND FIGHT BACK...CREATE YOUR OWN MEDIA AND MOVIES ABOUT THESE PLACES AND SHOW THEM 1ST TO YOUR PEOPLE LIKE HOW GAYRABS STOP RELIGIOUS MOVIES FROM BEING SHOWN IN THEIR COUNTRIES.
Until Africans can stop whining, and create the truth about themselves and make big budget movies books etc, they will be waiting a LONG TIME for Euros to tell the truth about their history.
Really it can't be that hard for AA's and Africans to go into the ANYTOLOGY, Research history departments can it? It seems Africans rather hear there story from Euros and Asians instead of from there own.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
mena7, the west did not enter Libya just like that and destroy it.
NATO iintervened on the invitation of the people who were tried of 43 years of slavery to the Kadafi family. Here they are:
Don't believe that you are smarter than all these people and know what is best for them in their life and in their nations.
How many prominent Libyans are crying for Kadafi's return to Libya?
NATO was backed by Egypt, an African country, Tunisia an African country, Sudan an African country sent ground troops; the Arab league, recall that Kadafi was an Islamic and Arab nationalist, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, even Iran. All his friends and brothers turned against him. Why?
You can create a sentimental fantasy and get hooked on it, or you can go look through facts and let them speak.....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: .....
Black Libyan being killed by Nato mercenary.
Black Libyan being killed by Nato mercenary. .......
Black Libyan Prime Minister. Why is he still alive mena7 since in your imagination they killed all the black Libyans during the war?
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
US admits African war crimes suspect Charles Taylor was CIA agent
Ever since his 2006 arrest for war crimes, Liberia’s former President, Charles Taylor, has consistently claimed that he was an agent of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.
Now declassified US government documents have officially confirmed that Taylor was indeed an agent of the CIA and the US Defense Intelligence Agency for several decades.
Today, Taylor is jailed in The Hague as the first former African leader to face international prosecution from the UN-backed Special Court for Sierra Leone. In the 1990s, he was allegedly responsible for wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone, which killed more than 250,000 people.
Back in 1983, when the US and USSR jockeyed for influence in West Africa, Taylor was a rising political star in Liberia, serving as chief of government procurement in the government of Samuel Doe. He fled in 1983 after a corruption scandal and was jailed by US authorities in 1984, pending extradition to Liberia.
Miraculously, he escaped from the Plymouth House of Correction in 1985. Analysts believe US intelligence operatives helped with the prison break.
In 2009, during testimony at his war crimes trial, Taylor said a jail guard opened his cell door and allowed him to sneak out a window. He then claimed a “government car” drove him to New York, before he made his way to Mexico and eventually back to Liberia.
Intelligence officials were said to have been particularly interested in information Taylor could provide about then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
"I had been crying slogans of Arab Unity and brandishing standard of Arab nationalism for 40 years, but it was not realized. That means that I was talking in the desert. I have no more time to lose talking with Arabs...I am returning back to realism...I now talk about Pan-Africanism and African Unity. The Arab world is finished...Africa is a paradise...and it is full of natural resources like water, uranium, cobalt, iron, manganese. I would like Libya to become a black country. Hence, I recommend to Libyan men to marry only black women and to Libyan women to marry black men." - Muammar Gaddafi 1998
With that apparent shift in ideology, it was Libya under Al-Gadhafi that funded theAfrican Union (AU) and the African Development Bank among other continental institutions. That explained why the Addis Ababa based organization was too hostile to the rebel governing body—the Transitional National Council (TNC). And as the head of the AU between 2009 and 2010, Al-Gaddafi called for the establishment of the United States of Africa (USA) to galvanize and strengthen African Unity both within Africa as well as on the international level.
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Gita Boaron, an Israeli of Libyan decent, claimed on Israeli television that she is related to the just-about-deposed Libyan strongman.
“Gaddafi’s grandmother is my grandmother’s sister,” Boaron told Israeli television. “His grandmother is my father’s grandmother. She was Jewish, became Muslim and married the town sheik. She had children and he’s her grandson, so he’s considered Jewish because his mother was born to a Jewish mother. So it means he’s Jewish.”
Gaddafi should seek refuge in Israel and make aliyah. But Boaron isn’t the only Israeli that believes Gaddafi is part of the Tribe. As the Economist reports:
“In Netanya, a resort north of Tel Aviv, where many of the 100,000-odd Israeli Jews of Libyan origin have settled, a square has been called Qaddafi Plaza in anticipation of his arrival. ‘Whatever he’s done, Israel’s his home,’ says Rachel, a widow sipping her macchiato, Libya’s beverage of choice, and nibbling abambara, a Libyan-Jewish pastry in one of the square’s Libyan-owned cafés. ‘After all, he’s a Jew.’ With his curls, she says, he would fit into many a Libyan synagogue.” The head of a Libyan Jewish cultural organization in Israel further buttressed the rumor to the magazine.
Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh, were trained and armed by Libya. In Liberia, Taylor slashed and burned an entire country -- and recruited an army of child soldiers to join him. In Sierra Leone, Sankoh's Revolutionary United Front soldiers savagely chopped off limbs and raped their way through villages. So integral was the Libyan leader's involvement that the Special Court for Sierra Leone reportedly considered indicting him.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by lamin: bla bla bla...All the AH does--LOL--is trot the handiwork of U.S. stooge Charles Taylor as proof of anything. LOLOLOLOL...
Honey
Smell the morning coffee:
quote:Africa: Gaddafi Worried As Taylor Remains in Custody
By Chege Mbitiru
Nairobi — Politicians retool themselves as domestic and foreign political climate requires. Libya's leader Muammar Gadaffi, has done a good job. His past though keeps getting in the way.
Twice in half a month, Colonel Gaddafi criticised Liberia's former President Charles Taylor's deportation from Nigeria. He also opposed Mr Taylor's possible trial at the International Criminal Court, at The Hague.
With that apparent shift in ideology, it was Libya under Al-Gadhafi that funded the African Union (AU) and the African Development Bank among other continental institutions...
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Lionese
Gadafi did not establish the African Development bank. When that bank was established in 1964, Gadafi was yet a corporal in the Italian colonial army in Libya cleaning floors.
Here:
quote:Established to help development efforts on the continent, the African Development Bank (AfDB) Group comprises three distinct entities under one management: the African Development Bank (ADB) which is the flagship or parent institution, established on August 4, 1963 in Khartoum, Sudan, by the then 23 newly independent African countries; as well as two concessionary windows - the African Development Fund (ADF), established on November 29, 1972, by the African Development Bank and 13 non-African countries, and the Nigeria Trust Fund (NTF), set up in 1976 by the Federal Government of Nigeria.
The inaugural meeting of the Board of Governors of the Bank was held from November 4-7, 1964, in Lagos, Nigeria, and the headquarters was opened in Abidjan, Côte d’Ivoire, in March 1965. Its operations commenced on July 1, 1966. Since early 2003, the Group operates from its Temporary Relocation Agency (TRA) in Tunis, Tunisia
quote:Originally posted by mena7: ... The mass murder and lynching of the black Libyans who were the greatest supporters of President Kaddafi by Western mercenary army was wrong. ...
We have a thread on this matter where I demonstrated beyond doubt that there was no mass murder of black Libyans.
Many mercenaries from West Africa who were working for Gadafi got killed. But what do you expect in a war.
Tawergha the tragic town that fought and lost, is not exclusively a black town. Like the rest of Libya it is mixed up.
Today, a black Libyan is the interim Prime Minister...
Take note.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "I had been crying slogans of Arab Unity and brandishing standard of Arab nationalism for 40 years, but it was not realized. That means that I was talking in the desert. I have no more time to lose talking with Arabs...I am returning back to realism...I now talk about Pan-Africanism and African Unity. The Arab world is finished...Africa is a paradise...and it is full of natural resources like water, uranium, cobalt, iron, manganese. I would like Libya to become a black country. Hence, I recommend to Libyan men to marry only black women and to Libyan women to marry black men." - Muammar Gaddafi 1998
Kadafi was just a megalomaniac showman. He never meant any of that cause he had no respect for black people in general.
He was a committed Pan Arabist Islamic until he died. Here he was at the Arab League 2009...
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
^ Have you ever heard the saying; The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Remember when Gaddafi attempted to give the US Nation Of Islam $1Billion, cash to strengthen bonds between Africa and African Americans?
The United States reacted predictably and immediately barred the gift and alerted the NOI that they would be severely prosecuted if they even attempted to accept the gift.
The CIA never directly supplies arms to warring countries. Rather, they manipulate the situation behind the scenes and have Israel broker an arms deal with some other country to supply them to the intended recipient. In the case f Liberia, it was the Diamond dealers who supplied the arms.
If Gaddafi was an ego-maniac, that's great. Only such a personality type has the will to achieve huge tasks like uniting a continent. Especially a continent where the majority of the people will resist such a consolidation.
The people responsible for uniting kingdoms are generally never well liked. China's Cao Cao was a very manipulative person, and a mega-ego-maniac. But, he succeeded in uniting all of China where many others had failed.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Namerthoth
Gadafi was an enemy of Black Africans. But he was manipulative like his masters at the CIA and M15 headquarters.
Even as he doled out the crumbs from his table to the Nation of Islam's Farakhan and other foolish Black leaders and governments, he was directly linked to the death and maiming of millions of Africans in the continent. He was responsible for much of the chaos and instability on the continent.
If you condemn the West for such actions, then you must condemn Kadafi too otherwise your logic would detract from principles.
It is never in doubt that Kadafi was the master behind the puppets Taylor and Foday Sankoh. To question that is to question if the sky is blue.
Too much evidence links him to Taylor and Sankoh. He himself never denied any link. he could not. Too much ties!
Even my girl Lamin with her melo-dramatic emotions does not deny that.
That atrocity alone should have condemned him to 1000 brutal lifetimes in hell. Fiyah fi him albinos ass!
No matter how you swing it, you cannot escape the fact that a megalomaniac half Italian Jew, half Turk thought he had a right to launch a war against the limbs and lives of Black Muurish African children in their own homes.
You should not place a higher value on the life of a god-damned Turk than a million African children.
Somehow, I know you are better than that...
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ]Kadafi was just a megalomaniac showman. He never meant any of that cause he had no respect for black people in general.
He was a committed Pan Arabist Islamic until he died. Here he was at the Arab League 2009...
do you think he had any black in him ?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ ... In the case f Liberia, it was the Diamond dealers who supplied the arms.
....
Name those "diamond dealers."
I already showed you more than a dozen documented links that Gadafi was the principal arms supplier, trainer and moral supporter for the rag tag armies of Charles Taylor and Foday Sankoh.
He was paid in diamonds and timber. Not the first time.
Gadafi did the same thing in Central Africa when he set up President Patasse and made him sign all the concession rights for his countries minerals to him Gadafi. I put up that link on page 2 of this thread.
He did the same in Sierra Leone.
He did the same thing in Chad when he tried to annex the Ouzou strip which had diamonds, oil and uranium.
Wars for African minerals that he would sell to the Rothschild for peanuts..and then insult us as unintelligent Africans.
Nigerian government was aware of these facts. The entire West Africa was aware also. So was the International Criminal Court.
That was why no body in Africa came out to speak for him, even moral support. Cause he was a dog, a rabid, turkish mad dog!
You cannot deny that the sky is blue no matter how you want to put it.
quote: Gaddafi initially intended to annex the Aouzou Strip, the northernmost part of Chad, which he claimed as part of Libya on the grounds of an unratified treaty of the colonial period.[3] In 1972 his goals became, in the evaluation of historian Mario Azevedo, the creation of a client state in Libya's "underbelly", an Islamic republic modelled after his jamahiriya, that would maintain close ties with Libya, and secure his control over the Aouzou Strip; expulsion of the French from the region; and use of Chad as a base to expand his influence in Central Africa.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ]Kadafi was just a megalomaniac showman. He never meant any of that cause he had no respect for black people in general.
He was a committed Pan Arabist Islamic until he died. Here he was at the Arab League 2009...
...
do you think he had any black in him ?
He was mixed Turk, and Italian Jew.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Remember when Gaddafi attempted to give the US Nation Of Islam $1Billion, cash to strengthen bonds between Africa and African Americans?
...
Blood money, to buy you off, try to confuse and destabilize you mentally. Telling you he is your friend, while he has stolen your home, your wealth, and the limbs and lives of your brothers and sisters....
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Wow,
Great and Healthy Debate.
Learning a lot from all sides.
Just have to say after watching the vids and reading up on Libya.
NONE WERE INNOCENT, including the sanussi.
....
In life, only children are innocent!
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Namerthoth
Gadafi was an enemy of Black Africans. But he was manipulative like his masters at the CIA and M15 headquarters.
Even as he doled out the crumbs from his table to the Nation of Islam's Farakhan and other foolish Black leaders and governments, he was directly linked to the death and maiming of millions of Africans in the continent. He was responsible for much of the chaos and instability on the continent.
If you condemn the West for such actions, then you must condemn Kadafi too otherwise your logic would detract from principles.
It is never in doubt that Kadafi was the master behind the puppets Taylor and Foday Sankoh. To question that is to question if the sky is blue.
Too much evidence links him to Taylor and Sankoh. He himself never denied any link. he could not. Too much ties!
Even my girl Lamin with her melo-dramatic emotions does not deny that.
That atrocity alone should have condemned him to 1000 brutal lifetimes in hell. Fiyah fi him albinos ass!
No matter how you swing it, you cannot escape the fact that a megalomaniac half Italian Jew, half Turk thought he had a right to launch a war against the limbs and lives of Black Muurish African children in their own homes.
You should not place a higher value on the life of a god-damned Turk than a million African children.
Somehow, I know you are better than that...
History is useless, unless you can learn from it not to repeat the same mistakes of the past.
Marcus Garvey choose a Negro captain to command his steam ships. The man turned out to be an undercover agent of the US government and sabotaged the engines of the ships.
Clinging to doctrine and group separation, such as Black/White, Moor, Islam, Christianity, etc, is a serious mistake that exploration of the past has already proven.
In war, one John Brown is worth 10 Frederick Douglas's. That John Brown was an albino is meaningless when compared to his usefulness in achieving a larger goal.
Great men who accomplished great things were those who had no need for small thinking. They understood that many of their allies had agendas and alliances separate from their own but still were able to use (and control) them to succeed in creating something larger.
All of the African leaders are at some time friends with Washington/Europe. This includes Ghadafi, Amin, Castro, Manuel Noriega, etc. They are friends as long as they share and support Washington's agenda. There is zero doubt that those in key positions today in Libya are marching to the European allies's order.
Who benefited most from Liberia's destabilization, America or Libya?
If you think it was Libya, then you greatly overestimate Ghadifi's actual level of power and independence.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
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MINORITY RIGHTS, LIBYA
The constitutional declaration of 1969 defines Libya as an Arab state; and authorities deny the existence of minority groups. In May 2005, a group of Libyan Berbers filed a complaint with the Working Group on Minorities of the UN Commission on Human Rights, claiming violations of their linguistic and cultural rights. The filing cited Libyan laws that prohibit use of languages other than Arabic, including bans on the use of non-Arab languages in education, media, and the courts and a prohibition on registration of newborns with Berber names. The complaint also cited the banning of the establishment of Berber cultural organizations and physical abuse, arbitrary detention, and even killing of Libyan Berbers who identify publicly with Berber identity, language, and history.
In 2006, the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) expressed its concerns over the lack of measures to prohibit racial discrimination in Libya and that improvements achieved in the country in terms of access to safe water were not made available to minority groups. Since then, the UN Human Rights Bodies have repeatedly asked the Libyan government to provide information about Berbers and other minorities and to recognize their existence, together with their culture and language. But the situation remains unchanged.
Currently, Berbers who live in the south of Libya have not been granted Libyan citizenship and also face serious discrimination: they have no rights to decent housing, access to higher education, open a bank account, or get a passport. For more information listen to MRG’s interview with an Amazigh who escaped from Libya.
Tebu live in similar conditions. Amnesty International has reported that since November 2009 they have been targeted by the Libyan authorities and forcibly evicted from their homes in the city of Kufra and in the country’s south-east.
In February 2011, inspired by the civil society uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, Libyan protesters revolted, calling for an end to Colonel Gaddafi’s 41-year rule. The Libyan government responded violently and used the military to quash protests. The uprising developed into an armed conflict pitting rebels against government forces and drawing in a NATO-led coalition with a UN mandate to protect civilians.
The Libyan government offers no protection to Refugees. The country has not ratified the UN Refugee Convention and in 2010, Gaddafi ordered the UNHCR to close their offices in Libya. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have also accused Libya of serious abuses of the rights of migrants, mostly from sub-Saharan Africa.
Amidst the conflict, thousands of Libyans and migrant workers have fled the country. In May in 2011, according to UNHCR reports, 40,000 ethnic Berbers fled Libya’s western mountains to Tunisia after they were caught up in border skirmishes between the Libyan government and opposition forces
Since the early days of the Libyan uprising there have also been reports of organized racist attacks on so-called ‘Black’ Libyans and foreign workers, particularly in rebel-held areas. Officials of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees related that refugees arriving from eastern Libya at the Egyptian border reported that armed Libyans had been going from door to door, forcing sub-Saharan Africans to leave. Tens of thousands of refugees arriving at camps in both Tunisia and Egypt have said they were accused of being mercenaries hired by the government, and told of racist killings and beatings.
In all, some 500,000 people have fled the country, a large proportion of them foreign workers. Libya has a long history of discrimination against its large population of sub-Saharan migrants, including racially-motivated killings, previously earning the censure of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.
Toubou or Tubu (Tibu, Tibbu, Tebu, Tubu, Tebou, Umbararo) people are distinct semi-nomadic and Nilo-Saharan speaking ethnic group found mostly in northern Chad, but also in southern Libya, northeastern Niger and northwestern Sudan where they are a minority. The Toubou are well-known as "desert warriors" living in the eastern and central Sahara. They are a dark-skinned people of mixed ancestry, most likely of Nilotic descent.
In Libya under Muamar Gaddafi’s rule, Toubou suffered high rates of "massive discrimination." They were stripped of their citizenship by Gaddafi who claimed they were not Libyans, but Chadians. They were also denied access to resources such as healthcare and education by local authorities in Libya.
Libyan Berbers cherish shared history with their country’s Jews Friday, 22 July 2011
An old picture of Libyan Jewish girls from Tripoli donning the country’s traditional costume.
By AFP YAFRAN LIBYA
For centuries, Jews lived among the Berbers of Yafran, observing the Sabbath at the synagogue of Ghriba, but they suddenly left 63 years ago, and their land in Libya remains untouched.
Every hamlet around Yafran bears the mark of the Libyan Jews, who arrived in the country 2,300 years ago and, until their departure soon after Israel’s creation in 1948, constituted half the city’s population.
Everywhere, the ruins of their homes still cling to the mountainside. Some were lived in, others subsumed by the Berber population. Time has taken its toll, but the houses remain untouched and uninhabited.
“It’s just as it was before,” says Tarek Ayad, a 58-year-old retiree.
Numerous abandoned synagogues remain intact, silent witnesses to the co-existence of the two peoples. Amid the colored mosaics of Ghriba synagogue, Hebrew inscriptions overlap those in Amazigh, the language of the Berbers.
Molded Stars of David have been unharmed in one synagogue, despite it having been converted to a mosque after the Arab conquest of the 7th century, while the Jewish cemetery, with its many ancient tombs ̶ some of which are dug into the rock ̶ borders a Berber graveyard.
Some in Yafran remember the names of prominent Jewish families: Aaron, Mguelish, Guetta. For generations, fathers and sons alike were rabbis.
Others recall how the Jews were mainly traders, and how they shared common rituals with the Berbers, some of whom even converted to Judaism.
Today, however, there are no witnesses left of this bygone era. The last Jews left in 1950, and those old enough to remember that exodus left when the fighting started.
“All I know is that we used to live together and that there were no problems. My father told me they were good people,” says Ahmed Siguk, an 46-year-old engineer.
Although more than 100 Jews died in Libyan pogroms in 1945, they are still considered to be part of the city, despite decades of anti-semitic propaganda since World War II.
“They are part of our population; they have lived here a long time. They are from this land, and spoke Amazigh,” Mr. Ayad says.
A pair of twins are passionate about this history.
Researching their Berber background ̶ itself a tale of repression under Muammar Qaddafi ̶ they found the story of the Jews to be remarkably similar to their own, so close were lives of the two communities.
For 10 years, they secretly recorded witness testimony, archived marriage certificates and land deeds, and took photographs.
Yet nothing remains of this historical material, which was all confiscated in December last year when the twins were arrested for Berber activism and accused of spying for Israel.
But they remember a little of what the elders told them about their day-to-day life together.
“An old man told me that on holidays, Berber children would go to the synagogue in Ghriba, where they would sometimes listen to readings from the Jewish holy books,” says 29-year-old Madghis Buzukhar.
But one day in 1948, the Jews left.
“The same man recounted to me how everything was normal, people were working, conversing. But the next day at dawn, he saw a convoy of trucks leaving, carrying most of the city's Jewish families,” says Mr. Buzukhar.
Most of Libya’s Jews left for Israel or Italy ̶ the North African country’s former colonial ruler ̶ whereupon the shared history fizzles out, unlike the attachment to the neighbors who disappeared.
Two years ago, the residents of Yafran raised a petition against the planned demolition of most of the Jewish monuments in the town, says Mr. Buzukhar.
“Today, their houses, synagogues and cemetery are still there, untouched. The Jews are welcome to return to the new Libya,” he says.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Namerthoth
Gadafi was an enemy of Black Africans. But he was manipulative like his masters at the CIA and M15 headquarters.
Even as he doled out the crumbs from his table to the Nation of Islam's Farakhan and other foolish Black leaders and governments, he was directly linked to the death and maiming of millions of Africans in the continent. He was responsible for much of the chaos and instability on the continent.
If you condemn the West for such actions, then you must condemn Kadafi too otherwise your logic would detract from principles.
It is never in doubt that Kadafi was the master behind the puppets Taylor and Foday Sankoh. To question that is to question if the sky is blue.
Too much evidence links him to Taylor and Sankoh. He himself never denied any link. he could not. Too much ties!
Even my girl Lamin with her melo-dramatic emotions does not deny that.
That atrocity alone should have condemned him to 1000 brutal lifetimes in hell. Fiyah fi him albinos ass!
No matter how you swing it, you cannot escape the fact that a megalomaniac half Italian Jew, half Turk thought he had a right to launch a war against the limbs and lives of Black Muurish African children in their own homes.
You should not place a higher value on the life of a god-damned Turk than a million African children.
Somehow, I know you are better than that...
History is useless, unless you can learn from it not to repeat the same mistakes of the past.
Marcus Garvey choose a Negro captain to command his steam ships. The man turned out to be an undercover agent of the US government and sabotaged the engines of the ships.
Clinging to doctrine and group separation, such as Black/White, Moor, Islam, Christianity, etc, is a serious mistake that exploration of the past has already proven.
In war, one John Brown is worth 10 Frederick Douglas's. That John Brown was an albino is meaningless when compared to his usefulness in achieving a larger goal.
Great men who accomplished great things were those who had no need for small thinking. They understood that many of their allies had agendas and alliances separate from their own but still were able to use (and control) them to succeed in creating something larger.
All of the African leaders are at some time friends with Washington/Europe. This includes Ghadafi, Amin, Castro, Manuel Noriega, etc. They are friends as long as they share and support Washington's agenda. There is zero doubt that those in key positions today in Libya are marching to the European allies's order.
Who benefited most from Liberia's destabilization, America or Libya?
If you think it was Libya, then you greatly overestimate Ghadifi's actual level of power and independence.
Is that to say that Gadafi was not the trainer and arms supplier of Foday Sankoh and Charles Taylor?
Is that to say that Kadafi had a prerogative to make war on little African children?
Could you be more direct, please...
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Two years ago during the Libya war I told them as much on this forum. I asked them to keep sight of thje Sanusiis of Libya, the black sufi order of Libya, Sudan, Chad, and Nigeria, Cameroon.
They are back. They will work it out for sure. You know the batard Kadafi and his international bank controllers had 40 years to mess things up.
But them Muurs will work it out right.
Apologies Lion, not being particularly impressed by Africans, Arabs, or Islam: I admittedly thought that you were getting a little carried away with the Senussi thing.
Even MUUR, those who root for Kadafi are asked now to produce Gadafi's investment portfolio in Africa.
In his father's land Europe, he poured billions:
He poured billions in Fiat company of Italy;
He poured billions into English and Italian soccer clubs for his benefit that of his gambling buddies;
He gave untold billions to the Rothschild family to keep and manage for him. I mean directly to the Rothschild. He was personal and family friends with the Rothschild! Mena7 are you following?
He left untold billions in American, Canadian and European banks.
How much did he invest in Africa?
Whose money to begin with..? Whose money? Who owns the land???
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Two years ago during the Libya war I told them as much on this forum. I asked them to keep sight of thje Sanusiis of Libya, the black sufi order of Libya, Sudan, Chad, and Nigeria, Cameroon.
They are back. They will work it out for sure. You know the batard Kadafi and his international bank controllers had 40 years to mess things up.
But them Muurs will work it out right.
Apologies Lion, not being particularly impressed by Africans, Arabs, or Islam: I admittedly thought that you were getting a little carried away with the Senussi thing.
I don't exaggerate because there is no incentive for me to do that.
What I tell you here is my history, about my ancient land, the land where my mother was born. The stories my grandmother passed on to me.
The experiences I yet live...
But people here believe they know better than he who feels it. So I will go ahead and tell it like it is ...
The other half that was never heard out here in the west...
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
THE OTHER HALF:
Kadafi was just a little corporal in the Italian army who did a coup against the institution and movement of the Sanusis, which had fought and won the independence for Libya.
How was that possible?
By the help of the former colonial powers and their military and political weaponry. They left from the front door and came in through the back door using the military they founded, trained and left behind.
The colonialists used coup plotters they trained who worked in the armies they left behind to overthrow the personalities who brought us our political ideologies and independence.
They, military coup plotters like Gadafi working for the CIA left Africa bereft of its intelligentsia. And we became a laughing stock.
Coup plotters ruined Nkrumah of Ghana, killed Tafari Baleri of Nigeria, ruined Haile Selassie's Ethiopia, ruined Benin, ruined Congo, ruined Egypt, and more.
Gadafi was one of those agents of destruction and confusion. His theatre was Libya. He set the movement back 500 years.
He seduced, used and then demoralized, Africans and African Americans with his life story and end.
He was rubbish. Good riddance to him and his kind.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Still - it's mulattoes like Idris who have North Africa and the middle east so fuched-up. I think it would be better to feature the purer members of the family. I know it sounds racist, but I didn't make the rules.
Sheikh Zubair Ahmed Al-Sharif al-Sanusi a nephew of Libya's former king Idris:
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Is that to say that Gadafi was not the trainer and arms supplier of Foday Sankoh and Charles Taylor?
Is that to say that Kadafi had a prerogative to make war on little African children?
Could you be more direct, please... [/QB]
What I'm saying may sound cold and may appear heartless, but I am a realist.
Africa's past and present leadership of all of it's fractioned countries are the direct result of American/European imperialists, greatly AIDED by the childish world-view of Africans themselves.
The imperialists are able to position puppets and mentions in charge of African countries simply because Africans allow it.
The same is true for African Americans who elected a black president solely on emotional responses. Having a "black" president was more important to them then having a president who would represent all Americans equally. Yet, they elected overwhelmingly Obama and the end result is they are doing worst now economically then under previous white presidents.
Having sympathy for Africans or African Americans and their ignorant survival choices and lack of accountability for their own destruction is not within my capability.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lion, would you happen to know who this Black man leading the army is?
It's not Ahmed Sharif as-Senussi, the supreme leader of the Senussi order at that time (1902–1933) - He appears to be a Turk.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Two years ago during the Libya war I told them as much on this forum. I asked them to keep sight of thje Sanusiis of Libya, the black sufi order of Libya, Sudan, Chad, and Nigeria, Cameroon.
They are back. They will work it out for sure. You know the batard Kadafi and his international bank controllers had 40 years to mess things up.
But them Muurs will work it out right.
Apologies Lion, not being particularly impressed by Africans, Arabs, or Islam: I admittedly thought that you were getting a little carried away with the Senussi thing.
Prince Idris Al-Senussi Crown Prince Idris bin Abdullah al-Senussi (born 18 January 1957) is an exiled Libyan opposition figure and a claimant to the headship of the Sanussiyyah movement. He started claiming to be heir to the Libyan throne in 1989, though recently stated that if the old Constitution of Libya (1951) (as amended in 1961) was restored post-Gaddafi, there would be free elections and the people would be united under the constitution with "some modifications where the part of the monarch will be taken out" and the people would be able to elect a head of state, who could be called "president or whatever they want to call him". The position of heir to the throne is also claimed by Prince Mohammed El Senussi, the son and designated heir of the last Libyan Crown Prince. Idris al-Senussi returned to Libya on December 23 and stated he will not be active in politics or campaigning for the monarchy. He returned to Libya in December 2011 with his cousin, Ahmed Zubair Al-Senussi.
Prince Mohammed Al-Senussi -other claimant to Crown Prince
Thursday, 6 Mar, 2014
Libya “rehabilitates” royal family overthrown by Gaddafi Tripoli government restores citizenship of Al-Senussi family members
Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat—The Libyan Transitional Government announced on Wednesday its decision to officially “rehabilitate” the family of Libya’s last monarch, the late King Idris Al-Senussi.
King Idris died in exile in Cairo in 1983 after being overthrown in a military coup led by Muammar Gaddafi in 1969. Gaddafi ruled Libya for four decades before being toppled by a NATO-backed uprising in 2011.
The Libyan government’s decree restores the citizenship of Senussi’s relatives and paves the way for the return of his confiscated property to his family.
The decision comes after Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan submitted a draft law to the General National Congress one month ago repealing the Gaddafi-era law that officially exiled the royal family.
Following his exile, King Idris sought refuge in Cairo, where he lived until his death in 1983. The remaining members of the Senussi family obtained political exile status in the United Kingdom, including Idris’s grand-nephew and heir apparent, Mohammad Al-Senussi.
Asharq Al-Awsat spoke to Mohammad Al-Senussi in 2011 during the initial throes of the Libyan revolution. Senussi, who is the self-proclaimed Libyan crown prince, expressed satisfaction at the Libyan revolution’s use of the country’s monarchy-era flag.
He said: “The flag being raised by the youth inside and outside of Libya is the banner of freedom. This gesture gladdened everyone and filled my heart with joy, because this is the flag upon which Libya was first established. Today, Libya has been reunited with this flag and it has become the symbol of the youth’s uprising.”
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Mike, I don't know that man, but I will search for his identity.
But keep this in mind, although there is a Senussi family who became the head of this ancient group from Libya that it finally gave its name, the Senussi movement itself is bigger than the Senussi family. Its like how the Rastafari adopted the name of the Ethiopian Royal family but the movement is actually bigger than the Royal family.
The Senussis are an African mystic franternity which uses culture, religion, music, science and the military as instruments to defend the African order.
They are actually the remnant of the Muurish Order that retreated from Spain. Same spirit, same blood same people. The old Muurs.
They never bowed. Stayed there fighting them albinos and Turks first as the so-called Muurish pirates, then as local insurgents, then as anti-colonial warriors...
This movement was what little Kadafi tried to suppress, and replace with a bunch of imported al queda preachers from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
Hey sweetie, that's not fair. You know I would never insult his Majesty that way. I thought I have taught you about Adam Clayton Powell, the baddest niggaz on earth.
So why are you misrepresenting me? To win a point??
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Lionese
Stop showing off like you know what your are saying. LOL!
Below find the leading Sanusi, the boss in the Senusi capital Benghazi
Clue: Use google translate...
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Ahmed Sanussi
Ahmed al-Senussi (arabe : أحمد الزبير الشريف) né en 1933, également connu sous le nom de Zubeir Ahmed El-Sharif, appartient à la famille royale de Libye. Il a été membre du Conseil national de transition (représentant des prisonniers politiques), apparu pendant la révolution libyenne de 2011 et dissous le 8 août 2012. Il est le petit-neveu d'Idris Ier, roi de Libye 1951 à 1969. Il tient son nom de son grand-père, Ahmed Sharif as-Senussi. Il sort diplômé de l'Académie militaire d'Irak en 1953. En 1961, il épouse sa compagne Fatilah, depuis décédée. En 1970, il commence à projeter l'idée de renverser Mouammar Kadhafi, au pouvoir depuis son coup d'État militaire un an plus tôt. Avec son frère et d'autres conspirateurs, il a cherché à remplacer le gouvernement tout en permettant au peuple de choisir entre la monarchie ou une république constitutionnelle. Cela échoue, il a été arrêté et condamné à mort. En 1988, sa peine a été commuée à 13 années d'emprisonnement. Il est resté incarcéré les neuf premières années et fréquemment torturé. Il affirmera par la suite que la torture consistait en de fréquents coups de bâtons ou de simulations de noyade. Il est finalement sorti de l'isolement, puis partage une cellule avec de nombreux autres prisonniers, dont Omar El-Hariri. Après avoir été transféré à la prison d'Abou Salim en 1984, il apprit que sa femme était morte pendant sa captivité. Il a été gracié le jour du 32e anniversaire de la prise de pouvoir par Kadhafi : détenu comme prisonnier politique pendant 31 années, jusqu'à sa libération en 2001, il est alors l'opposant politique incarcéré le plus longtemps dans l'histoire de la Libye moderne. Le 27 octobre 2011, le Parlement européen le choisit avec quatre autres personnalités arabes pour recevoir le Prix Sakharov.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ....... Having sympathy for Africans or African Americans and their ignorant survival choices and lack of accountability for their own destruction is not within my capability.
Its ok to have sympathy on the little children. They represent innocence, purity, light. They should not be hurt, or used as political tools.
The adults may have failed, but the youths represent another chance, another generation, another go at it to make it right.
The Universe which gave us another day, to try again as another generation is kind and merciful. Why must a hater then menace my next generation?
If you are a child of the universe you would share similar traits with your progenitor...
Seen?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: King, ......
Libya's foreign policy at the time was to counter American and French imperialism and neocolonialism at the time. Both Liberia and Chad were areas where both Western nations were involved.
Charles once traveled to Libya for so-called "training in guerrilla warfare"--but the details on that are fuzzy. ......
Honey,
How could Gaddafi rationally be trying to counter imperalism, by buying military weapons and advisers from the same imperialists?
No, he was an agent used to sow confusion in Africa.
Illuminati is a complex thing. It attacks from different fronts and dimension.
The US army calls it, total spectrum control...
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Wanna be illuminati. Spot the ghost in this picture:
Moral? Don't punch above your weight...
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
The Sanusi alliance with the Turks:
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Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire By Gábor Ágoston, Bruce Alan Master
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .....
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
looks like a Turk
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....”
Hey sweetie, that's not fair. You know I would never insult his Majesty that way. I thought I have taught you about Adam Clayton Powell, the baddest niggaz on earth.
So why are you misrepresenting me? To win a point??
sorry right below on the previous page you had Omar Moctar and said one picture of him looked like a Turk but another a Muur and I thought when you said first picture you meant the first picture in the post of Idis, obviously he looks like a Black dude
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
I was talking about Omar Moctar on that page.
But His Majesty, the Lion was a Muur, from a long line of Muurs. There is some Yemen in his lineage, there is some Sudan, there is some Libyan blood.
But he was just one Sanusi. There other members of that same family dark like the night, handsome and magnificent!
It is the blood line we follow, not skin colour.
Adam Clayton Powell was also a great Muur.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The Sanusi alliance with the Turks:
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Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire By Gábor Ágoston, Bruce Alan Master
The Turks were then ruling Libya.
The Sanusi was an indigenous movement to self-determination and independence.
Turks were afraid and jealous of it.
Sanussis are not violent people normally. They are Sufis, they use violence as a last resort, to save themselves.
So though the Turks feared them, they often had to work with them. And though the Sanussis wanted independence, they would dine with the enemy and bid their time.
They knew how to weaken the enemy before striking. High level warfare. They weakened the Turks, till the great Turks had to beg for their help.
Then when they were done, there were neither Turks, nor French, nor Italians in Libya. Save for their batards like Kadafi.
Now, all that is history now.
The secret of the Sanusis?
Knowledge, determination, meditation, self restraint, discipline, good sense, and spiritual communion...
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Lionese
Stop showing off like you know what your are saying. LOL!
Below find the leading Sanusi, the boss in the Senusi capital Benghazi
Clue: Use google translate...
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Ahmed Sanussi
Ahmed al- Senussi ( Arabic: أحمد الزبير الشريف ) born in 1933 , also known as the Zubair Ahmed El- Sharif , belongs to the royal family of Libya. He was a member of the National Transitional Council ( representing political prisoners ) , appeared during the Libyan revolution in 2011 and dissolved August 8, 2012 . He is the nephew of Idris I, King of Libya from 1951 to 1969 . It takes its name from his grandfather , Ahmed Sharif as- Senussi . He graduated from the Military Academy of Iraq in 1953. In 1961 , he married his girlfriend Fatilah since died. In 1970, he begins to project the idea of overthrowing Gaddafi , in power since the military coup a year earlier . With his brother and other conspirators , he sought to replace the government while allowing the people to choose between monarchy or a constitutional republic . This fails, he was arrested and sentenced to death . In 1988, his sentence was commuted to 13 years' imprisonment. He was imprisoned the first nine years and often tortured. He subsequently assert that torture was in frequent batons or simulated drowning. He finally came out of isolation and sharing a cell with many other prisoners, including Omar El- Hariri. After being transferred to Abu Salim prison in 1984 , he learned that his wife had died during his captivity . He was pardoned on the day of the 32nd anniversary of the seizure of power by Gaddafi held as a political prisoner for 31 years, until his release in 2001, then opposition politician imprisoned longest in the history of modern Libya. On 27 October 2011, the European Parliament elects four other Arab personalities to receive the Sakharov Prize.
Maximilia and Karl Marx are silly albino dunces. They are now by-gones. The future has come.
Haney, smell the coffee.
I would rather this MUUR:
Ahmed Zubair al-Senussi, a member of the National Transitional Council, addresses the media after the election
"Al-Senussi said he was elected by 4,000 to 5,000 tribal leaders, politicians, activists and academics who met Tuesday in Benghazi. "All of them agreed on my leadership to lead the region for the time being," he said....."
Egypt's Turk mulattoes probably wanted Sean Connery to play the part of Sadat.
They LOVED it when he played Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli.
And he was even "DARKER" in complexion than Sadat.
He,he,he,he:
Turk mulattoes are Sooo confused - Right Lioness?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BTW - Has anyone seen the new picture that the Albinos and Turk mulattoes have come up with for Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli?
Check this out on Wiki.
Description Deutsch: Mohammed Ibn Abdullah el Raisuli el Hasali el Alani, der Sultan der Berge, vor dem Gastzelt in Tazrut Date 1924 Source Selbstgefertigter Scan aus Raisuli Sultan der Berge Author Frontispiz zu Raisuli Sultan der Berge
They had to go all the way to Germany to find this bogus nonsense!
For those of you who thought that Lioness was a clumsy liar, check this out at Wiki.
UNDER THE SMALL THUMBNAIL OF THE PICTURE THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS:
A goumi standing guard in the camp of Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli in Tangier, Morocco.
(Moroccan Goumiers were soldiers who served in auxiliary units attached to the French Army of Africa, between 1908 and 1956. The term Goumier was also occasionally used to designate native soldiers in the French army of the French Sudan and Upper Volta during the colonial era.)
REMEMBER HOW BLACKS IN EUROPE WERE ALWAYS SERVANTS OR SLAVES?
The Albinos and their Mulattoes haven't forgotten their old tricks.
How stupid is that silly little "Pink" idiot at Wiki.
First the king is a guard, and then the guard is the king.
And forgotten is the chubby guy they found in a German magazine (I assume that's where they got it).
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
NarmerThot post :US admits African war crimes suspect Charles Taylor was CIA agent
Ever since his 2006 arrest for war crimes, Liberia’s former President, Charles Taylor, has consistently claimed that he was an agent of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.
Now declassified US government documents have officially confirmed that Taylor was indeed an agent of the CIA and the US Defense Intelligence Agency for several decades.
Today, Taylor is jailed in The Hague as the first former African leader to face international prosecution from the UN-backed Special Court for Sierra Leone. In the 1990s, he was allegedly responsible for wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone, which killed more than 250,000 people.
Back in 1983, when the US and USSR jockeyed for influence in West Africa, Taylor was a rising political star in Liberia, serving as chief of government procurement in the government of Samuel Doe. He fled in 1983 after a corruption scandal and was jailed by US authorities in 1984, pending extradition to Liberia.
Miraculously, he escaped from the Plymouth House of Correction in 1985. Analysts believe US intelligence operatives helped with the prison break.
In 2009, during testimony at his war crimes trial, Taylor said a jail guard opened his cell door and allowed him to sneak out a window. He then claimed a “government car” drove him to New York, before he made his way to Mexico and eventually back to Liberia.
Intelligence officials were said to have been particularly interested in information Taylor could provide about then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Ex CIA president of Liberia Charles Taylor.
Mena say: The reason African countries cannot become rich and industrialize like many East Asian countries is because many African chief of States have been members of western spy agencies like Liberian President Charles Taylor and are members of Western secret society like the Freemason. Those African Chief of States are required by their Western masters to put the interest of western imperialist countries before the interest African countries .
African people if they want their freedom and empowerment should create their own Christian Church, their own Christian state like the Vatican and their own African secret society. African people shouldn't be a member of European secret society. African should be conspiring againt Europeans. French African Presidents, generals, Spy agency boss, media boss, businessman are members of French freemasonry. That's why you have silly deal like the franc CFA that send 85% of French African countries reserve currency in France in order for the French to earn interest on the money in loan it back to them.$400 billion of French Africa money is in France central bank.
Amputated Sierra Leonne children
Amputated Sierra Leonne children
Sierra Leonne Fode Sankoh and his guerilla supported by Liberian President Charles Taylor during the Sierra Leonne diamond civil war are satanics and barbarics people who amputated thousand of Sierra Leonne babies, children, men and women limbs.
The devil hand cutter Foday Sankoh.
Foday Sankoh doesn't look like a devil that ordered the amputations of babies hands. I think they poisoned him in jail to keep him from talking.
Foday Saybana Sankoh (17 October 1937 – 29 July 2003) was the leader and founder of the Sierra Leone rebel group Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in the 11-year-long Sierra Leone Civil War, starting in 1991 and ending in 2002. An estimated 50,000 people were killed during the war, and over 500,000 people were displaced in neighbouring countries
Early life and career
Foday Sankoh was born on 17 October 1937, in the remote village of Masang Mayoso, Tonkolili District in the Northern Province of Sierra Leone to an ethnic Temne father and a Loko mother. Sankoh was the son of a farmer.
Sankoh attended primary and secondary school in Magburaka, Tonkolili District and took on a number of jobs in Magburaka before he joined the Sierra Leone army in 1956. He undertook training in Nigeria and the United Kingdom. In 1971, then a corporal in the Sierra Leone army, he was cashiered from the army's signal corps and imprisoned for seven years at the Pademba Road Prison in Freetown for taking part in a mutiny.
On his release he worked as an itinerant photographer in the south and east of Sierra Leone, eventually coming in contact with young radicals.
Sankoh and confederates Rashid Mansaray and Abu Kanu solicited support for an armed uprising to oust the APC government. They then traveled to Liberia, where they reportedly continued recruiting and served with Charles G. Taylor's National Patriotic Front of Liberia (NPFL).
Civil war
Main article: Sierra Leone Civil War
On 23 March 1991, the RUF, led by Foday Sankoh and backed by Charles Taylor, launched its first attack in villages in Kailahun District in the diamond-rich Eastern Province of Sierra Leone.
The RUF became notorious for brutal practices such as mass rapes and amputations during the civil war. Sankoh personally ordered many operations, including one called "Operation Pay Yourself" that encouraged troops to loot anything they could find. After complaining about such tactics, Kanu and Mansaray were summarily executed. In March 1997, Sankoh fled to Nigeria, where he was put under house arrest, and then imprisoned. From this time until Sankoh's release in 1999, Sam Bockarie performed the task of director of military operations of the RUF. During the ten-year war, Sankoh broke several promises to stop fighting, including the Abidjan Peace Accord and the Lomé Peace Accord signed in 1999. Eventually the United Kingdom and ECOMOG intervened with their own small, but professional, military forces, and the RUF was eventually crushed. Sankoh was later arrested after his soldiers gunned down a number of protesters outside his Freetown home in 2000. His arrest led to massive celebrations throughout Sierra Leone. Sankoh was handed to the British and, under jurisdiction of a UN-backed court,[citation needed] he was indicted on 17 counts for various war crimes, including use of child soldiers and crimes against humanity, including extermination, enslavement, rape and sexual slavery.[1]
Death
Sankoh died of complications arising from a stroke whilst awaiting trial. In a statement by the UN-backed war crimes court, chief prosecutor David Crane said that Sankoh's death granted him "a peaceful end that he denied to so many others
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: But now comes the really stupid part.
When you go to the full sized picture, here is what it says:
Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli.jpg
Description
Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli, the last of the Barbary Pirates. Source
If it was a photo of Raisul himself it would simply say
"The Bandit Raisuli"
or "The Bandit Raisuli at his camp"
it wouldn't say
the Camp of the Bandit Raisuli
But it does say that so obviously the man is outside of Raisuli's residence on guard, not Raisuli himself.
We can easily verify the above photo by going to the original paper publication source of the photo or simply looking at other photos of Raisuli (who was born in Iran) here:
Raisuli with his son at Monte Buhaxen 1922, La Esfera magazine, September 16, 1922
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. __________________________________________________^^^1924 Book: Raisuli, Sultan der Berge, Rosita Forbes, Otfrid von Hanstein K.F. Koehler, 1924 - Morocco - 221 pages
Mike you lying clown....
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
what the hell does Sadat and a barbary pirate have to do with Libya 3 years after ?
111 having focus problems
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: We can easily verify the above photo by going to the original paper publication source of the photo or simply looking at other photos of Raisuli (who was born in Iran) here:
This is an indication of your scholarship.
Wiki:
Mulai Ahmed er Raisuni was born in the village of Zinat (a village in northern Morocco) sometime in 1871. Due to his place of origin and his reportedly handsome visage, one of his other nicknames was "the Eagle of Zinat."
(Short and fat does not equal Handsome or Eagle, and Zinat is not in Iran).
Lioness - can you add 1 + 1?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
and he couldn't have become fat in his mid 50s ?
when will the foolishness end ?
Mulai Ahmed er Raisuni, died age 54 1871-1925
Raisuni's first victim was Walter Burton Harris, a short, slightly-built man, an English correspondent for The Times who already knew Raisuni. Raisuni demanded not money, but the release of several of Raisuni's men held in prison; Harris was released after only three weeks captivity.
"Raisuli has grown fat and prosperous since the days when he made the Moroccan ... The bandit leader became so powerful that he was named governor of the..."
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The Mountains of the Mediterranean World - Google Books Result
J. R. McNeill - 2002 - 448 pages
El-Raisuli eventually acquired hundreds of followers and became rich, fat, and finally governor of Jbala. Rifians before and after him found it remunerative to ..
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
"whitest of skins"
The Conquest of Morocco By Douglas Porch
Douglas Porch (born 29 December 1944) is an American military historian and academic. He currently serves as a Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School, and is the former Chair of the Department of National Security Affairs for the Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey, California.
Lioness, every-time that I think that you are simply a stupid worthless cow who only gets in the way, you prove that even a lying idiot has SOME value.
You just helped me demonstrate what degenerate lying, fantasying bastards Albino historians are - just like you.
PLEASE NOTE THE HEIGHT OF YOUR FAKE RAISULI AS COMPARED TO THE WOMAN.
PLEASE NOTE THE HEIGHT OF THIS RAISULI AS COMPARED TO THE LITTLE GIRL ON THE LEFT.
Obviously your fake Raisuli is a short man, and the Black man is tall - Douglas Porch lied.
Please note that "NEITHER" the fake Raisuli or the REAL Raisuli could possibly be called WHITE or PALE much less "whitest of skins".
Douglas Porch is simply just another Pink Albino liar trying to Whitenize everyone in history - it's very common. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mike I quoted David Porch's book and he quoted a short man named Walter Harris who knew Raisuli
You say David Porch lied
so then what is the primary source to your claim that he was tall?
.
this picture has a caption inside the photo it says
"Tangier.... Campamento del Bandido Raisuli"
that means > the Camp of the Bandit Raisuli.
Do you have a primary source, not wikipedia and not a BS website, that says this man is Raisuli and not someone guarding his camp ???
If you don't than don't bother me, you have nothing
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness, YOU introduced the fake Raisuli, I'm just showing that as usual, you lie.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
"whitest of skins"
The Conquest of Morocco By Douglas Porch
Douglas Porch (born 29 December 1944) is an American military historian and academic. He currently serves as a Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School, and is the former Chair of the Department of National Security Affairs for the Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey, California.
Lioness, every-time that I think that you are simply a stupid worthless cow who only gets in the way, you prove that even a lying idiot has SOME value.
You just helped me demonstrate what degenerate lying, fantasying bastards Albino historians are - just like you.
PLEASE NOTE THE HEIGHT OF YOUR FAKE RAISULI AS COMPARED TO THE WOMAN.
PLEASE NOTE THE HEIGHT OF THIS RAISULI AS COMPARED TO THE LITTLE GIRL ON THE LEFT.
Obviously your fake Raisuli is a short man, and the Black man is tall - Douglas Porch lied.
Please note that "NEITHER" the fake Raisuli or the REAL Raisuli could possibly be called WHITE or PALE much less "whitest of skins".
Douglas Porch is simply just another Pink Albino liar trying to Whitenize everyone in history - it's very common.
^^^^ Idiot in 1904 nobody in the West had ever seen Raisuli , except Walter Harris who was kidnapped by hm, that picture is merely an artists imagination it counts for zero All sorts of romatized newspaper articles wer be written at the time. later on Rosita Forbes met the man and wrote a book on him. Look into it bonehead
Moorish Ambassador to Elizabeth I, Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud. Elizabethan painting of the Moorish Ambassador who visited Queen Elizabeth I of England from Barbary in 1600 to propose an alliance against Spain. The original belongs to the collection of the University of Birmingham, England.
^^^ this is an actual life portrait circa 1600
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Mulay al-Rashid was described at the time: “He is of middle size; his face is long and thin; his beard, forked and white, his color, almost black with a white mark near the nose” – Abbé Busnot, Histoire de Regne de Mouley Ismael, Roven, 1714
Moulay Hafid: Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Here again we have the lies of albinos and their mulattoes.
Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun was principal secretary to the Moroccan ruler Mulay Ahmad al-Mansur, and ambassador to the court of Queen Elizabeth I of England in 1600, to promote the establishment of an Anglo-Moroccan alliance.
WHERE DOES "MOOR" FIT INTO ANY OF THAT???
Now moors are Albinos too?
What stupid degenerate liars you Albinos/mulattoes are.
You stupid cow, you took that from this Wiki page.
Note this quote from his Wiki page: It has been suggested that Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud may have inspired the character of William Shakespeare's Moorish hero Othello.
Thanks lion, I don't know why, considering my experience, but it never occured to me that the painting was just another fuching Albino FAKE!!!
Damn I feel stupid.
From the Wiki picture:
Artist Unknown Title Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun, Moorish Ambassador to Queen Elizabeth I Description This image is a reproduction of an Elizabethan painting of the Moorish Ambassador who visited Queen Elizabeth I of England from Barbary in 1600 to propose an alliance against Spain. The original belongs to the collection of the University of Birmingham, England. Date circa 1600 Medium oil on oak Dimensions 113 × 87.6 cm (44.5 × 34.5 in) Current location University of Birmingham Source/Photographer http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/exhibition/east-west-objects-between-cultures/east-west-room-1 Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Idiot in 1904 nobody in the West had ever seen Raisuli , except Walter Harris who was kidnapped by him, that picture is merely an artists imagination it counts for zero All sorts of romatized newspaper articles wer be written at the time. later on Rosita Forbes met the man and wrote a book on him. Look into it bonehead
He was heir to the Moroccan throne, how could nobody know him??
Read stephen Bonsal take on what happened.
Ha,ha,ha,ha:
Damn, you make it up as you go.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Idiot in 1904 nobody in the West had ever seen Raisuli , except Walter Harris who was kidnapped by him, that picture is merely an artists imagination it counts for zero All sorts of romatized newspaper articles wer be written at the time. later on Rosita Forbes met the man and wrote a book on him. Look into it bonehead
He was heir to the Moroccan throne, how could nobody know him??
Read stephen Bonsal take on what happened.
Ha,ha,ha,ha:
Damn, you make it up as you go.
asshole, stephen Bonsal is 1908
I'm not reading anything. I've been putting up quotes and sources
Either you have quotes explianing why stephen Bonsal's article is perinant or sourced photos or you have nothing
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Moulay Hafid:
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Like it or not this is Mulai Ahmed er Raisuni in his 50s
To the dingbat, he was born in Zinat Iran not Morocco
Moor is a European term used loosely, sometimes meaning black, other times meaning any Muslim who lives in North Africa
quote:Originally posted by lamin Moors were described as being as either Black-a-Moor or Tawny Moor. The term "tawny" meaning brownish--within the ranges of that colour.
In a curious twist though the present-day Moors of Mauritania have been described by colonial French ethnologues as as "white Moors"--perhaps to distinguish them from so-called "Black Moors" of Mauritania.
But the obvious point though is that the "white Moors" are not white at all--in the generic sense of that term but are rather more like the lighter-skinned Tuaregs. For Westerners the "white Moors" in general have the phenotype of individuals of Euro-African parentage.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M
Extract from "Candide" by Voltaire:
Morocco overflowed with blood when we arrived there. Fifty sons of the Emperor Muley Ismael had each their adherents; this produced, in effect, fifty civil wars, of blacks against blacks, of blacks against tawnies, of tawnies against tawnies, and of mulattoes against mulattoes. In a word, there was one continued carnage all over the empire.
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