In Spain there were many Muurish Christians and Muurish Jews. They were variously called Moriscos, Maranos, Ladinos, eventually Latinos.
The Muurs were predominantly christians because they invented christianity and christianized and then civilized Europe.
There were the church builders, the builders of the great Castles seen all over Europe and lovingly known in Spain as Muurish Castles.
They brought science, astronomy, navigation, mathematics, chemistry, agriculture, even spoken language to the Europeans.
Spanish for example used to be known as Muurish Latin. Today, some albinos claim this language as their heritage.
Why, because the Muurs lost various wars, then fell in prominence. Some were enslaved in Europe and the Americas by their former slaves, vassals and serfs...
And since those days, the world has gone down the drain and things are getting even more horrible.
This thread introduces you to some of those Christian Muurs of Alkebulan.....
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Juan de Pareja (1606–1670)[1] was a Spanish painter, born in Antequera, near Málaga, Spain. He is primarily known as a member of the household and workshop of painter Diego Velázquez. His 1661 work The Calling of St. Matthew (sometimes also referred to as The Vocation of St. Matthew) is currently on display at the Museo del Prado in Madrid, Spain. De Pareja became Velazquez's assistant sometime after the master returned to Madrid from his first trip to Italy in January 1631. After the death of Velazquez he entered the service of Juan del Mazo.[2]
He was a freedman, and was described as a "Morisco", being "of mixed heritage and a strange color".[3]
The usage of the word "morisco" at the time refer to both descendants of the Muurs who remained in Spain after the conquest of the Albinos...
Also check Rasta Livewire for the article on Mathieu Da Costa. I will be posting it here in a bit...
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Don't you love those post Al Andulus Negroes? You are the best, IronLion!!
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Converso and Morisco are the terms applied to those Jews and Muslims who converted to Christianity in large numbers and usually under duress in late medieval Spain. The Converso and Morisco Studies publications will examine the implications of these mass conversions for the converts themselves, for their heirs (also referred to as Conversos and Moriscos) and for medieval and modern Spanish and European culture. Volume two of the series focuses on the Moriscos, offering new perspectives on this allusive group's social and religious character in the period leading up to its expulsion from Spain in 1609.
Now, let's see IronLion pull a rabbit out of his magic hat and make these into Negroes.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Your thread is now being shitted on, IronLion.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Its good to read and comprehend.
Obviously Gigolo Joe is lacking in one or both faculties.
But back to topic:
The Decline of the Moors
The Moors of the Iberian pennisula suffered great and incalculable losses when their centuries old rule was brought to a violent end in Spain in 1492 following the loss of the Caliphate of Granada.
Beginning from that same 1492 in Spain and 1497 in Portugal, the exile of the original dark sons was inauguarated. The conquering European armies were filled with a strange blood lust and an incurable pathological jealousy of the Moors. It was their simple wish to dispossess the Moorish owners of the land, confisicate all their properties and enslave their bodies.
It was easy and simple for them because the fight for Iberia had been drawn across racial lines, so-called “white” Asiatic-Europeans versus so-called black n brown Africans and Afro-Arabians.
New World Order
The Moors occupied the land mass where Lisbon is currently situated and in their time they called it Alishbuna. They had ruled for 400 years since 700 AD only losing their grip on power in 1147 AD. From that date until 1249 when christian crusaders conquered Algarve, the Moors lost land and authority before the hordes of inner Europe.
Following the complete conquest of Portugal in 1249 (with the capture of Algarve), the crusaders gradually tighten the noose around the Moor’s neck, literally speaking. Discrimination got worse. Odinary folks were constantly harrassed. Moors were under unrelenting suspicion of disloyalty, insurrection, and rebellion.
They were imposed on with excessive taxes. Their cultural rights were abrigded, language was restricted, political and business space became increasing non-accessible.
Finally, with the conquest of Granada in 1492 by the Spanish branch of the crusaders, all hell was let loose on the hapless Moors living then in Spain and in Portugal.
The crusaders decided that the fact of being a Moor was criminal enough in itself and so Moors were required to symbolically renounce their heritage and culture. They were required to adopt a new identity as christians called “conversos.” Sometimes these new christians were called “marranoes” a racist term which connoted a “pig” or something unclean.
Conversos were like second class christians of Portugal. Those who would not convert and accept their official second class status as de-culturated animals were then forcibly expelled either as prisoners, slaves or refugees.
The notorious instuitition known as the inquisition, a system of spies, secret police, tortures, confessions and swift executions was established. It was responsible for the death of millions of Moors all over Europe but especially in the Iberian pennisula. It lasted for hundreds of years torturing, maiming and killing all real and suspected enemies of the new European royalty. Its bloodlust, sadism and cruelty are now live in infamy. Those Moors it did not kill or maim, it sold as slaves.
It so happened that in 1496-7 Portugese Kings Joao II and Manuel I horded hundreds of thousands of Jews sent them into exile on the West African coasts of Guinea and Biafra, and on the Islands of Cape Verde and Sao Tome, into a live of perpetual slavery. These peculiar branch of the Iberian moorish Hebrews were called the Ladinos.
Ladino means latinized negros. It was a racist term used for the black Jews of Iberia who were soon deported to African Islands and coastal settlements and used as the first slaves in the sugar plantations. See, Abu Alfa MUHAMMAD SHAREEF bin Farid, “A Continuity of the 19th Century Jihaad Movements of Western Sudan,” Sankore: Institute of Islamic-African Studies,” http://www.africandiasporastudies.com/downloads/bahia_slave_revolt.pdf
According to Richard Lobban, in his article “Jews in Cape Verde and on the Guinea Coast” Paper presented at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, 11 February 1996:
“..Portugese or Iberian Jews sometimes use this term to note this social group which consitituted a portion of early migrants to the Cape Verde Islands. Some reference use this term for the people and language of 16th and 17th century Sephardic Jews from Iberian Pennisula. The term Ladino could also refer to baptized African slaves. In either case, the reference was often racist, and derogatory and implied a lying, wandering, sneaky, and thieving group which was particularly untrustworthy.”..
"Muur" means "wall" in Dutch
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: "Muur" means "wall" in Dutch
The Duncey speaks!
LMBAO! Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
The Spanish Moors were muslims. I do not find Muslims in west Europe, Nor can I imagine Muslims building churches, and not mosques.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The Spanish Muurs were also Christians, as well as Jews. Juan de Pareja (1606–1670) above is a good example.
The first Christian churches existed in North Africa. Some of the earliest Christians were North African Muurs. For example St Augustine.
Even after the Muslim conquest of North Africa, Christians and Jews still lived peacefully side and side, and still do today, in North Africa.
The origin of the Sephardi Jews is Morocco, not Spain.
There were also Maghrebi Jews, who moved towards Mauritania and Mali.
They were all Black people, if you choose to use the word Black. Some Muurs cannot seem to see themselves beyond colour.
But I and my ancestors are not a colour. We have land and nationality. We are Muurs from ancient Morocco, and Muuritania, and Ethiopia, and Maghreb, and the Suwahail (Sahel, also Swahili).
And we have been in Europe constantly from the neolithic until today. All over Europe, from Russia to Scotland you will hear of us, the Muurs.
Go look at the castle of Europe. The oldest and the best all have Muurish heads, indicating the previous owners. The oldest castles in Spain are all called Muurish castle.
Incidentally Muur in German-based languages also mean stone walls, in obvious reference to the association of stone masonry with the Muurs.
The Muurs taught the Europeans, not only the sciences but architecture and civil engineering.
The Muurs are the secret still untold in European history. The muur you look into it the muur you will see where the Muurs snythesize your theory of black rule over Europe (aka your blue blood theory).
A good and solid knowledge of Muurish history and science is the final gate to liberation of mind, soul and body.
The Muurs, and the Muurish Empire are the key.
They knew us as the Muurs, sometimes mis-spelt as the Muirs, or the Moors.
You have a interesting hypothesis, which must now be turned in a theory.
There is no mysterie to research. Why not pick one person or family and find as much about them as possible. It's always hard if you tackle a lot of people over a long period or time, or spread out geographically. So you might do a micro-history, and next more micro histories, till you have a more solid base for your theory.
It's not necessary to invent the wheel out each time, you might use other studies, you quote and name these studies and synthesize information from these, together with your own unique findings. The web is a powerhouse of information.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^ This is not a theory. It is not a new story either. It is a fact borne out by European history.
I am neither the originator nor the inventor of any hypothesis nor theory. I don't need to rebuild the wheel. That was already done by the Masters. I am just a messenger.
Tune in to the Moorish Science Temple libraries.
Moorish history has been known in the United States since day one.
Spanish Muur with his Gothic Mistress
Lámina: nº63: De Negro y Española nace Mulata / Un Negre et une Espagnole produisent Mulatre
Spanish Muurs Lámina: nº64: De Mulato y Española nace Morisco / Un Mulatre avec une Espagnole produisent un Moresque
Presumably there since prehistoric population of African origin in Spain, although it is unlikely to ascribe any particular race.
In protohistoric times and in ancient times, there is documentary and archaeological evidence the existence of people of African origin, mainly sub-Saharan Mediterranean but, arriving with military contingents Carthaginian and Roman.
In the Islamic period, a significant number of black people came to Spain and some occupied high positions in systems and culture Caliphate.
Therefore, and black Africa being a major supplier of gold, during the Middle Ages there was the stereotype of wealthy black person, it is then when there are myths of Prester John and Balthazar.
Later, with the colonization of America and the establishment of the triangular trade, and notably from the late seventeenth century, the enslavement of black Africans affects growth of the aversion to the black. Since the eighteenth century a series of pseudo contribute to the justification for the enslavement of black people. In the nineteenth century Spain will be the last Western power to abolish slavery, which affects the persistence of anti-black racism....
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Es de suponer que desde la prehistoria existe población de origen africano en España, aunque es improbable adscribirla a ningún tipo racial concreto. En época protohistórica y en época antigua, se registra documentalmente y con testimonios arqueológicos la existencia de población de origen africano, principalmente mediterráneo pero también subsahariano, llegadas con los contingentes militares cartaginés y roman...
quote: Sistema de Castas (or Society of Castes) was a porous racial classification system in colonial New Spain (present-day Mexico). It was a “hierarchal ordering of racial groups according to their proportion of Spanish blood.” In this system, notable categories with significant meaning were espanol (Spaniard), castizo, morisco, mestizo, mulatto, indio (Indian), and negro (black). At the sistema de castas most extreme, there were more than forty classifications, with espanol being the most desirable and negro being the least desirable for sociopolitical purposes. Race, color, physical features, occupation, and wealth in this society mattered as Spanish officials attempted to control every aspect of a person’s life from employment to regulating dress codes and friendships.
Within the Castas, most persons of African descent were categorized between Spaniard and Negro, and identified as mulatto or racially intermingled hispanicized citizens of predominant African heritage. Socially, blacks were marginalized in Colonial Spanish affairs and were systematically victimized by an institutional discrimination designed to quell civil unrest through assimilating them as ladinos (Spanish speakers) and integrating them into a feudal caste society.
This pattern of customary and legal oppression led to many persons of African descent choosing to move to the frontier of New Spain (what is now Northern Mexico and the Southwest United States). From 1531 to 1800, Afro-Mexicans came to the Southwest from Mexican states on the Northern frontier like Vera Cruz and Coahuila and, after 1700, from states on the Pacific Coast such as Sinaloa and Michoacán de Ocampo. The initial recruits for frontier settlements like San Jose, California, were lighter-complexioned Spanish colonists, many of whom declined to participate because of “low pay, poor uniforms, antiquated weapons, insufficient housing, extended absences from families, and the overall unattractiveness of the Spanish military” and settlement. Bearing the brunt of what awaited on the frontier were mestizos/as and mullatos/as who served in the place of these lighter-complexioned colonists usually identified as espanoles and criollos (i.e., persons of near-Spanish descent born in the Americas). As a result, multiracial settlements from San Antonio to Los Angeles had large black populations ranging from 20 to 55 percent.
Moreover, because of the scarcity of Spanish-speaking women on the frontier, racial intermingling with Native American women and smaller numbers of African women was a wide-spread practice, which populated the newly conquered region with a new race of people identified as Latin American.
The fluid nature of the Castas did allow for a few persons of African descent to attain a socioeconomically elevated status more frequently on the Colonial Spanish frontier than in the United States at the end of the eighteenth century. Mulatto Pedro Huizar, for example, was able to become a Don (Spanish nobleman) at Mission San Jose and thus change his status to espanol in 1793. Huizar was born and raised at Aguascalientes, Mexico, acquiring many skills in the arts and building trades. Around 1778, he journeyed north, first to San Antonio de Bexar, and finally, el Pueblo de San Jose, where he worked as a sculptor, mission carpenter, and surveyor. As Huizar's changed racial status shows, racial lines became so blurred through biological and occupational miscegenation that they became useless to Spanish census takers and other Iberian officials by 1800.
The Castas was officially dismantled by the 1830s, following the wars of independence raging throughout Latin America in the 1810s-1820s.
Sources: R. Douglas Cope, The Limits of Racial Domination: Plebeian Society in Colonial Mexico City, 1660-1720 (Madison, WI: University of Wisconsin Press, 1994); Lawrence B. De Graaf, Kevin Mulroy, and Quintard Taylor (et al.), Seeking El Dorado: African Americans in California (Seattle: University of Washington Press, 2001); Ilona Katzew, Casta Painting: Images of Race in Eighteenth-Century Mexico (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2004); Douglas Monroy, Thrown Among Strangers: The Making of Mexican Culture in Frontier California (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1990); Leslie B. Rout, The African Experience in Spanish America: 1502 to the Present Day (New York: Cambridge University Press, 1976); Quintard Taylor, In Search of the Racial Frontier: African Americans in the West, 1528-1990 (New York: W.W. Norton, 1998).
quote:Scientific inquiry is generally intended to be as objective as possible, to reduce biased interpretations of results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, giving them the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^ those Dutch love their Moors:
Yes, that is true. They know the history of the Moors. Well!!
There are quite a few stories too.
They keep us awake and in memory of this history.
There is "more" art work. But it's not online. Some of it is in private libraries.
Italy had Muurish ruling families as well. Many of them were from old European Nigri Latini families. One of the most important and influential of the Muurish lines that shaped and cultivated Europe was the Medici family.
Carlos Medici 1428
The Medici family was foundational to the establishment of banking, accounting, and international commerce in Europe.
They also were singularly instrumental to the rise of the renaissance period.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Italy had Muurish ruling families as well. Many of them were from old European Nigri Latini families. One of the most important and influential of the Muurish lines that shaped and cultivated Europe was the Medici family.
Carlos Medici 1428
The Medici family was foundational to the establishment of banking, accounting, and international commerce in Europe.
They also were singularly instrumental to the rise of the renaissance period. [/QB]
Iron, these are black people?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
LOL! Yes my dearest Lionese Duncey. They are Muurs.
What connects them all, the PN-2 Genetic Clade demonstrating that they all are one blood. E Chromosome from Africa. They were the Mediterraneans from Sub-Saharan Sahel.
The original owners of Europe. Note the red kingly fez on the head of Carlos Medici. The red fez was and still is the Muurish symbol of nobility and wisdom.
Here is Alessandro Medici Duke of Florence 1510 - 73. He was known as Il Moro, meaning the Muur:
Also nicknamed "Il Moror" Ludovico Sforza (1452-1508) was the son of Francesco Sforza (1401-1466), the first member of the family to reign as Duke of Milan
Duncey
What is your point?
Sforza was of Moorish descend. His roots were in Africa, where cometh the Muurs.
He self-identified as a Moor. He was dark skined like a Moor.
You need to read a little bit better...
quote: Lodovico was called the Moor because of his complexion; he was very dark in colour and his origin derived from the original black Moors of Europe the first and only legitimate Kings. Contemporaries described him as the dark complected Ludovico the Moor. See Edgar Leoni, “Nostradamus and his Prophecies, by Nostradamus” p. 553.
Ludovico Sforza was of Moorish descend. His roots were in Africa
no he wasn't of Moorish descent. Stop making up stuff
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
You need to read a little bit better...
Lodovico was called the Moor because of his complexion; he was very dark in colour and his origin derived from the original black Moors of Europe the first and only legitimate Kings. Contemporaries described him as the dark complected Ludovico the Moor. See Edgar Leoni, “Nostradamus and his Prophecies, by Nostradamus” p. 553.
He self-identified as a Moor. He was dark skinned like a Moor.
No he didn't self identify as a Moor. People nicknamed him "Il Moro" to make fun of his swarthy complexion, you need to read moor
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Duncey
Etymology of Swarthy and Muurish:
Nordic: Svarti meaning Black
Germanic: Schwartz meaning Black
English: Swarthy meaning Black
So Schwartzman, Schwarzenneger, or Swarthy complected man, all talking about the same man you fear the most:
The Muur. The Muir, the Moors, the Maurs, il Moro!
In Greek, Maur means black. In latin and all its derivative languages, Moro means Blackman. In English Muurish refers to a black man's national origin.
African continent is where Mauritania lies, and Co-Moros and Moro-cco, and Mara-kesh. The Muurish country.
The Muur was the only European who ever had swarty complexion.
You know the Muur already. This man here:
Stained glass medallion depicting the arms of Tucher, Nuremburg, Germany, 1500-99. Museum no. C.101-1934 (Roundel)
Bratislava, 1520 Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
You are obviously not some stupid, ignorant trash, but you need to make yourself clear, and do not act like we are into mumbo jumbo. Blacks have invented science, and the scientific method is how knowledge is conveyed. You speak about secret libraries, which you saw? Where are they, what is their catalogue. Are there any secret books not found in Picarta??
quote:A good and solid knowledge of Muurish history and science is the final gate to liberation of mind, soul and body.
quote:I am neither the originator nor the inventor of any hypothesis nor theory. I don't need to rebuild the wheel. That was already done by the Masters. I am just a messenger.
Who are these mysterious Masters? I would like to find out more about them to add to my proper, open, rational research.
quote:Tune in to the Moorish Science Temple libraries.
I dutifully followed your words and this is what popped up.
quote:European Muurish Royalty [This cup is part of the Moritzburg Treasure.]
I have pointed out that this is part of the Moritzburg Treasure, not a true person, but a symbolic Moor.
How do you follow up? Are you mistaken? Am I mistaken?
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
What is the contents of this book? Is the cover the content?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: You are obviously not some stupid, ignorant trash, but you need to make yourself clear, and do not act like we are into mumbo jumbo. Blacks have invented science, and the scientific method is how knowledge is conveyed. You speak about secret libraries, which you saw? Where are they, what is their catalogue. Are there any secret books not found in Picarta??
quote:A good and solid knowledge of Muurish history and science is the final gate to liberation of mind, soul and body.
quote:I am neither the originator nor the inventor of any hypothesis nor theory. I don't need to rebuild the wheel. That was already done by the Masters. I am just a messenger.
Who are these mysterious Masters? I would like to find out more about them to add to my proper, open, rational research.
quote:Tune in to the Moorish Science Temple libraries.
I dutifully followed your words and this is what popped up.
quote:European Muurish Royalty [This cup is part of the Moritzburg Treasure.]
I have pointed out that this is part of the Moritzburg Treasure, not a true person, but a symbolic Moor.
How do you follow up? Are you mistaken? Am I mistaken?
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
What is the contents of this book? Is the cover the content?
I don't know what you are talking about secret libraries. I have never been to one, have you? Never even mentioned it anywhere on this thread so why bring it up?
Actually, the scientific method was laid down by a Muur named Ibn al-Haytham or AlHacen. You do not need to re-invent the wheel, like I said.
The masters? Have you heard of Noble Drew Ali? Have you heard of Moorish Scientist Hakim Bey? Have you studied with Alim Bey? Their works are freely accessible on the net, especially their Youtube presentations. Follow up on them.
The moritzburg treasure is not a symbol of a non-existent person. It is the image of one of the Muurish Elites of Europe. It is better art work than existed in its time.
Is your theory then, that all the Muurish heads we find in European heraldry, all the castles bearing the iamges of Muurish Kings, are all symbolic? You missed the train then if so.
The Muurs of Europe were real people. They lived and ruled in Europe for thousands of years. They had different kingdoms and empires including Greece, Rome, Holy Roman Empire, and Islamic Spain. They founded Ireland, England and Scotland. They were in France, lower Germany, Fries-Land, Rhineland, Serbia, Monte Negro, Romania, Bratislava, way up to Russia.
If you went to any library and asked the librarian to provide you older books like those written by Thomas Shore, David MacRitchie, Godwin Higgins and such, you would have begun your research on solid grounds.
The Moorish Science is a huge movement of many millions of people across many continents. Pulling up one website about Moorish Koran is not proof of your diligence or interest in the subject. Search more, it has taken me more than 20 years of diligence to acquire my knowledge. I don't think I could pass it all on to you in one thread on ES. Besides, you have a responsibility to yourself to follow up on clues. You have to see it with your own eyes not mine.
In deciphering sources of history we have to note the differnt types in existence such as: written historical comments (often susceptible to manipulation and bias), artefacts (not as easily susceptible), culture, dance, music, religion, pictures, liturgy, languages, population genetics, skeletal remains.
It takes a careful analysis and synthesis of those sources, to present a hypothesis....
That is the real Muurish science.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
You are not making much sense. I asked you to name some of your sources, not all, just some. Now thankfully you did name some. But you are still sounding like some secret society who knows everything, and you are the messenger like you are suffering from some godlike/ jesuslike complex. That's not scientific. I ask questions, because I do not know everything, nor do I want te research everything. You offer to inform us, well thank you for that, but kindly do so in a proper way, not insulting our intelligence. You might have understood I'm not a white person, nor have I been raised and educated in Europe, so I have escaped many impediments these people suffer from, which they display everyday on this forum. How do you know the The Moritzburg treasure presents a real person, a real king. How do you know this? Have you did any research on this very object? I'm operating under the idea there is strenght in numbers, I'm looking for ways to enhance the acceptance of our ideas. Fighting you would be the last thing on my mind. But really: a bit of cause and effect would be very welcome. And can you explain me why with twenty years of back breaking research you remain anonymous. Don't you want credit for your labours?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [QB] You are obviously not some stupid, ignorant trash, but you need to make yourself clear, and do not act like we are into mumbo jumbo. Blacks have invented science, and the scientific method is how knowledge is conveyed. You speak about secret libraries, which you saw? Where are they, what is their catalogue. Are there any secret books not found in Picarta??
quote:A good and solid knowledge of Muurish history and science is the final gate to liberation of mind, soul and body.
quote:I am neither the originator nor the inventor of any hypothesis nor theory. I don't need to rebuild the wheel. That was already done by the Masters. I am just a messenger.
Who are these mysterious Masters? I would like to find out more about them to add to my proper, open, rational research.
quote:Tune in to the Moorish Science Temple libraries.
Noble Drew Ali Attendees of the 1928 Moorish Science Temple Conclave in Chicago. Noble Drew Ali is in the front row center.
The Moorish Science Temple of America is an American religious organization founded in the early 20th century by Timothy Drew. Although presented as a sect of Islam, the Moorish Science Temple also draws inspiration from Buddhism, Christianity, Freemasonry, Gnosticism and Taoism to present a message of self-determination, personal transformation, indigenous identity in the Western Hemisphere, indigenous pride, uplift, civic involvement, and self-sufficiency. One primary tenet is the belief that African-Americans are of Moorish ancestry, specifically from Morocco and, in their religious texts, adherents refer to themselves as "Asiatics". The Moorish Science Temple of America was incorporated under the Illinois Religious Corporation Act 805 ILCS 110. Timothy Drew, calling himself the Prophet Noble Drew Ali, founded the Moorish Science Temple in 1913 in New Jersey. After some difficulties, Drew moved to Chicago, establishing a center there as well as temples in other major cities, where it expanded rapidly during the late 1920s. The quick expansion of the Moorish Science Temple arose in large part from the search for identity and context among black Americans. Competing factions developed among the congregations and leaders, especially after the death of the charismatic Noble Drew Ali, and led to at least three separate organizations. The founding of the Nation of Islam by Wallace Fard Muhammad also created competition for members. In the 1930s membership was estimated at 30,000, with one third in Chicago. During the postwar years, the Moorish Science Temple of America continued to increase in membership, albeit at a slower rate. By the late 20th century, demographic and cultural changes had decreased the attraction of young people to the Moorish Science Temple of America. In the early 2000s, it is estimated that presently there may be 800 adherents in four major cities, although the organization itself states it has 260 temples nationwide. Timothy Drew was born on January 8, 1886 in North Carolina, USA. Accounts of Timothy Drew's ancestry variously described his being the son of two former slaves who was adopted by a tribe of Cherokees or the son of a Moroccan Muslim father and a Cherokee mother. Founding the Moorish Science Temple
Drew reported that during his travels, he met with a high priest of Egyptian magic. In one version of Drew's biography, the leader saw him as a reincarnation of the founder, while in others, the priest considered Drew a reincarnation of Jesus, the Buddha, Muhammad and other religious prophets. According to the biography, the high priest trained Drew in mysticism and gave him a lost section of the Koran. This text came to be known as the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America (which is not to be confused with the Quran). It is also known as the "Circle Seven Koran" because of its cover, which features a red "7" surrounded by a blue circle. The first nineteen chapters are borrowed from The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, published in 1908 by esoteric Ohio preacher Levi Dowling, the latter 24 chapters are from a Rosicrucian text, Unto Thee I Grant
Levi Dowling
In The Aquarian Gospel, Dowling described Jesus's supposed travels in India, Egypt, and Palestine during the 18 years of his life which are not accounted for by the New Testament. Drew and his followers used this material to claim, "Jesus and his followers were Asiatic." ("Asiatic" was the term Drew used for all dark or olive-colored people; he labeled all whites as European. He suggested that all Asiatics should be allied.)
The aquarian gospel of Jesus the Christ the philosophic and practical basis of the religion of the aquarian age of the world and of the church universal, transcribed from the book of God's remembrances, known as the Akashic records by Levi
Drew crafted Moorish Science from a variety of sources, a "network of alternative spiritualities that focused on the power of the individual to bring about personal transformation through mystical knowledge of the divine within". In the inter-war years in Chicago and other major cities, Drew used these concepts to preach racial pride and uplift. His approach appealed to thousands of African-Americans who had left severely oppressive conditions in the South and faced struggles in new urban environments.[8] Drew claimed to have been anointed Noble Drew Ali, the Prophet. He launched into his career as head of the Moorish Science Temple of America. Drew taught his followers to "face east when praying, regard Friday as their holy day, and call their god Allah and their leader Prophet. Moorish-Americans are not obligated to follow Islam completely. They pray five times a day, and travel to Mecca only if they choose to do so. Many hymns sung are recognizable as adapted from traditional Christian hymns common in black churches. [edit]Practices
Drew stated that African Americans were all descended from the ancient inhabitants of Moab (ancient Moabites), that Islam and its teachings are more beneficial to their earthly salvation, and that their true nature had been withheld from them. In the traditions he founded, male members of the Temple wear a fez as head covering; women wear a turban. They added the suffixes Bey or El to their surnames, to signify Moorish heritage as well as their taking on the new life as Moorish Americans. It was also a way to claim and proclaim a new identity other than that lost to slavery of their ancestors in the United States. Thus a Moor could accept that his African tribal name may never be known to him/her, and that the European names they were given were not theirs, either. As Drew began his version of teaching the Moorish-Americans to become better citizens, he made speeches in which he urged them to reject derogatory labels, such as "Black", "colored", and "Negro". He urged Americans of all races to reject hate and embrace love. He believed that Chicago would become a second Mecca. The ushers of the Temple wore black fezzes. The leader of a particular temple was known as a Grand Sheik, or Governor. Drew Ali was known to have had several wives. According to the Chicago Defender, he took the power to marry and divorce at will.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Is Ironlion member of this cult?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
What is the contents of this book? Is the cover the content? [/QB]
He doesn't know
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Is Ironlion member of this cult?
I don't know if he resides near one of their temples but you could call him a follower
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
What is the contents of this book? Is the cover the content?
He doesn't know [/QB]
I was waiting for your idiocy on this subject that is why it took me so long.
Would you guess at the material used for the book binding?
I'm sure you know. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Is Ironlion member of this cult?
My leaders taught me to seek knowledge. They said unto I:
"Seek ye cognizance, knowledge and wisdom, all the time;
Whether it be hidden in hell, or in the lofty heights of the heavens."
You should not be quick to judge or stereotype anyone or groups. Especially yourself, that has suffered many times from stereotyping.
Golden Rule: Do unto others as you wish others to do unto you! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ....As Drew began his version of teaching the Moorish-Americans to become better citizens, he made speeches in which he urged them to reject derogatory labels, such as "Black", "colored", and "Negro". He urged Americans of all races to reject hate and embrace love. He believed that Chicago would become a second Mecca.
The ushers of the Temple wore black fezzes. The leader of a particular temple was known as a Grand Sheik, or Governor. Drew Ali was known to have had several wives. According to the Chicago Defender, he took the power to marry and divorce at will.
Obama rose from Chicago... Muurish mysticism
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: You are not making much sense. I asked you to name some of your sources, not all, just some. Now thankfully you did name some. But you are still sounding like some secret society who knows everything, and you are the messenger like you are suffering from some godlike/ jesuslike complex. ...
Egmond
The Muurs know about you. We are watching over you everday to make sure you are safe. You may not realize it but we are there by your side everyday....
quote:As a response Codfried writes: "Part of the Moritzburg Treasure (Renaissance), , with a gold and silver cup in the form of a Moor's head, which was used at high nobility marriages. Why Moor's head? The Moor was apparently in high regard."
We have decided to share this with the Moorish Members of in the Moorish College regarding the Black nobility in Europe especially? According to black Dutch researcher Egmond Codfried and author of the book "Belle van Zuylen's forgotten grandmother" there was Moorish nobility in Europe, but there history and images were later carefully tucked away. His claims are controversial, and of course not accepted by European historians and the common man.
Codfried has systematically studied hundreds of paintings of famous and less famous nobility. He regularly stumbled upon people who looked black or coloured, or although they were white, clearly had African facial features.
About his work he writes: “This study of historical sources and literature on black and coloured historic persons was inspired by the chance finding of a portrait of Maria Jacoba van Goor
^ you are a paid informant. Quite simply, a fraud.
hysterical rants will now follow: Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
December 18th
Sotheby’s in London has auctioned The Moritzburg treasure of the Kings and Electors of Saxony for 7.196.000 German Marks. Just for the end of World War II the sons of the last king Friedrich August III had buried the treasure in the wood to hide it for the approaching Russian Red Army. In 1996 hobby treasure-diggers found it back. 143 pieces of the treasure were auctioned; most of it was bought by German art-dealers.
On December 28th King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden will open the Museum Tre Kronor (Three Crowns) in the cellars of the Royal Palace in Stockholm. It will show the Swedish history since the 13th century.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^ those Dutch love their Moors:
Whats the matter Lyin_ss you don't like dark chocolate. Personally i don't see anything offensive here. only a negrophobe would.
Black in Europe was beautiful Svenska. Believe me in many places it still is.
Have u been away from Sweden too long or something? Just curious. Or u just one of those regular American negrophobesses that watched "Birth of a Nation" too many times.
Don't worry - he won't hurt you. Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
So Schwartzman, Schwarzenneger, or Swarthy complected man, all talking about the same man you fear the most:
The Muur.
The Muur was the only European who ever had swarty complexion.
Except that the surname Swartzmann, Swarthmore, Schwarzenberger, Schwarzkopf etc. in Europe is only associated with the heads of Negro-looking people wearing headbands just like the variants of the name Noire and Moor and Negro in the coat of arms of hundreds of other Europeans as discovered and shown in one example in Rogers, Nature Knows No Color Line book p. 84 in the chapter Negroes in Coats of Arms of Noble Families.lol!
Guess a little Matilda does one NO GOOD. lol!.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Thank you IronLion. I never felt we got more work done on this forum, then today. Off course while reading threads I just skip the offensive eurocentrist trash defiling our noble forum. Yes I saw this thread naming my research, my fingers itching to sent some small corrections, but I had to register or something, or the computer was bothering me or something. It's wonderful if people speak about my research, but strangely annoying if they understood wrongly. I'm amazed that you wrote this nasty thing about batty boys, sounding like that Jamaican housenigger trash and his ignorant bitch here on this forum. This is how Blacks teach others how to mistreat Blacks. We are doing it ourselves. Some of these Gays are Black leaders, scholars, activist. Their private live is nobodies business. And I would rather take poison, then be associated with any person or organisation which discrimnates and teaches hate. They are a treat to me, and the ones I care about, as well. Then I have this thing about anonimous fans, not taking off their mask while they adress me. I'm so old school about manners...
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: December 18th
Sotheby’s in London has auctioned The Moritzburg treasure of the Kings and Electors of Saxony for 7.196.000 German Marks. Just for the end of World War II the sons of the last king Friedrich August III had buried the treasure in the wood to hide it for the approaching Russian Red Army. In 1996 hobby treasure-diggers found it back. 143 pieces of the treasure were auctioned; most of it was bought by German art-dealers.
On December 28th King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden will open the Museum Tre Kronor (Three Crowns) in the cellars of the Royal Palace in Stockholm. It will show the Swedish history since the 13th century.
Yes, people tend to ask question when one is giving a speach. I have to tell them I do not know everything, and I limit myself to a certain period. But it bothers me there is not more sharing, or is it that people do not read? I feel there is some books out there which literally confirm what I have discovered about these people being brown and black and superior. Everything points to this, but is no where confirmed. Isabelle de Charriere and Jane Austen go as for as is possible, without giving offence. Or is it that these people sit with their pudgy asses on the information we seek?
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Earlier, this thread addressed terms expressing black, the Medici family some of whose members were black (I one day hope to show that the earliest, as represented in coins, were black), and the Moors themselves. The following pages refer to one or another of the mentioned thread topics. And there is the reference to Hadyn made by Count Eszterhazy, as “the little black Moor.”
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Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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A picture of Hayden but I think in reality he looked more Moor.
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Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Here is direct evidence that when we see kings with Moorish features who have long curly hair that it is a wig. This is what Prince Eszterhazy says to Hayden:
Clap on a new coat, and mind your wig is curled.
Interesting yet again as white hair is straight. It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Here's some history in pictures. The earliest whites we see of Europe are pictured with straight hair in the early bc.
Then, from 300 bc and such, they have curly hair. I believe this showed miscegenation.
Finally, near the 18th century, we start seeing straight hair again. This shows, I believe, that the black blood in white veins had been largely washed out.
When you see whites with kinky hair, and fros, I think we are really seeing recent black ancestry. Especially if it is reddish with light, freckled skin.
This curly wig Haydn is asked to wear historically must be at least mulatto but surely not white.
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Marc why do you make up bullcrap like this?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Marc why do you make up bullcrap like this?
Aren't you the one who is making up this bullcrap. Like when it comes down to Middle and Southern Egyptians or Northern Sudanese. Oh...right, it's you precious white history you need to defend here.
If the shoe fits...
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
[The word Moor refers to the Classical African type, which symbolised and personified blue blood and nobility.]
Marc dear, thank you for the effort and the goodwill, but you are mixing the gospel with revisionist b.s. And why do you put so much store in details of portraits. We already know these portraits often had very little connection with reality. Your scheme of how Blacks mixed with whites and became whites was after 1848. Jane Austen saw this with great apprehension, and wrote about it in Emma (1816), when the misguided Emma Woodhouse wanted to educate poor white Miss Smith, and have her marry the reverend Mr. Elton, black, spruce and smiling. Mr. Knightley, the keeper of good principles, was furious. He considered it foolish and unnatural.
But, off course after 1848 when the whites were emancipated, they did not look back and forced the Blacks to intermarry with them. In Surinam we were told to 'Opo yu kleur' which is 'heighten your colour' to become light skinned.
Shakespeare has Iago shout 'I hate the Moor,' in a full theater. Shakespeare was Black and benefited from black Superiority, but he also poked fun at the nobility he was living of. In Othello he likens them to horses and hunting dogs, because they like these things so much. But Othello estabishes Black Superiority. Nobody questions why a Moor should hold such a grand position. As in many other Renaissance plays with Blacks in the middle. Do not fear to use your own mind and reject the revisionist b.s. No matter how many books they write about Shakespeare, if they do not accept him as Black, they are dead wrong.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Again Egmond, the Moor was not a symbolism. And no human being was called black in Shakespare's time. They were called Muurs. Before they fell into slavery and got a new descriptive, an adjective instead of a noun, as a non-name: negro, black....
Those words cloud your thinking and analysis. Hence you fail to see that Shakespare was Muur and not black.
And that the Moritzburg treasures were actually the images of Moritz the Muurish owner of the Moritzburg castle.
Black spell-words will bewitch your mind, and defeat your conclusions.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
What is the contents of this book? Is the cover the content?
He doesn't know
I was waiting for your idiocy on this subject that is why it took me so long.
Would you guess at the material used for the book binding?
I'm sure you know. [/QB]
I waited you out now Lionese.
Egmond, the book is called a book of Seneca’s Tragedies.
It was made for the Pucci family of Florence, one of those Muurish people I speak about.
The man on the book is the ancestor of the Pucci.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Egmond, the book is called a book of Seneca’s Tragedies.
It was made for the Pucci family of Florence, one of those Muurish people I speak about.
Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
Antonio di Puccio Pucci (far left), in a detail from Domenico Ghirlandaio's The Confirmation of the Rule~1485 Medium fresco Current location English: Sassetti Chapel, Santa Trinita
Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino 1529-30,
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^As usual, more idiocy, and lack of intelligence.
Do you know about the ancestor of the Pucci family?
Do you know the material used for the book?
I believe it is human-skin, albino human skin, tanned and dyed.
Do you care to know Muur? Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Lovely photoshop!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Lovely photoshop!
It's not photoshop
Joseph M. Leffler
Joseph Malton Leffler was born Aug. 23, 1882 in Indiana. He was an albino and grew up in the Hoosier Hollow area in Richland County, WI. For many years Joe and his sister Barbara, also an albino, were in the side show in the Ringling Bros. World's Greatest Shows out of Baraboo. After he left the circus, Joe hauled milk with a team of mules in Richland County. Joe died June 8, 1951.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: It is only when whites started mixing with blacks that they had curly hair.
Lovely photoshop!
It's not photoshop
Joseph M. Leffler
Joseph Malton Leffler was born Aug. 23, 1882 in Indiana. He was an albino and grew up in the Hoosier Hollow area in Richland County, WI. For many years Joe and his sister Barbara, also an albino, were in the side show in the Ringling Bros. World's Greatest Shows out of Baraboo. After he left the circus, Joe hauled milk with a team of mules in Richland County. Joe died June 8, 1951.
Lionese do you think your albino fantasies are more authentic than the coins minted in the life time of Marie de Medici...
Go look at Alessandro Medic, Carlos Medici, Lorenzo Medici, look at their coins, then look at their paintings and you will see why they are all African people of Europe or the Muurs.
Check Marie Medici's coin, contrast her looks with Henry IV... then compare with Duke Moritz of Saxony
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] Henry IV and Maria D'Medici
^^^ Iron look, Maria D'Medici a little older matching the coin. She's a Muur look at the hair
Maria de Medici painting by Frans Pourbus, painted from life (Galleria Palatina, Firenze Italy
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Again Egmond, the Moor was not a symbolism. And no human being was called black in Shakespare's time. They were called Muurs. Before they fell into slavery and got a new descriptive, an adjective instead of a noun, as a non-name: negro, black....
Those words cloud your thinking and analysis. Hence you fail to see that Shakespare was Muur and not black.
And that the Moritzburg treasures were actually the images of Moritz the Muurish owner of the Moritzburg castle.
Black spell-words will bewitch your mind, and defeat your conclusions.
[Do not mind the straight hair, he is definetly Black.]
Honey child, the only goddam thing you have to do is post some evidence of all the things you are saying. Remember you are not adressing some of these half-literate church members, American? or Africans? you seem to impress with mumbo-jumbo, mythical, and magical crap.
The Black, and Black identified elite was a fixed mulatto race, as they were a minority in a sea of whites, there was a measure of intermarriage, so probably the most common type among them was brown or black skinned half-breed Blacks.
But in imagery they showed their true ancestor's type, The Classical African. Eurotrash, talking out of its ass wants all Blacks to resemble say James Brown, or Viola Davis. Well, they don't, and its not up to this trash to define these people in retrospective. Some were really sooty black, with huge classical African lips, frizzled hair, monsterly bloated penisses, and garage door noses. But many were something in between.
But they aal showed their descend from Blacks with images, badges of Moors. If they had a ancestor who very much resembled a Moor like Alexander de Medici, his likeness was used by his descendents as a badge of blue blood.
Perhaps the image of the Moor was also used as a pledge of allegiance, because whites were also elevated, and they had to make clear they accepted Black Superiority.
So its quite easy, you are not adressing ignorant Black Trash, so show some proof of what you are saying.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: MUUR = CURLY HAIRED PERSON
The Griffin brothers are bi-racial, their father being African-American and their mother White.
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Lioness dear, Mulattoes come in all shapes, sizes, and complexions. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Just a few more.
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Now please stop interrupting Lion with your stupidness, unless you are prepared to supply genetic data.
Damn you're stupid!
For years I have told you that Albinos with color, are the result of Black admixture. Those with a lot of color, or curly hair, are likely Mulattoes. But there can also be Quadroons, Octaroons, on and on.
And now, years later, you are just as stupid as when you started.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: MUUR = CURLY HAIRED PERSON
The Griffin brothers are bi-racial, their father being African-American and their mother White.
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Lioness dear, Mulattoes come in all shapes, sizes, and complexions.
Thanks Mike, for taking on the unenviable job of re-educating deliberate retards.
The Skunt called Lionese is so disgusting for me sometimes, I just side step her idiotic shennenigans.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Again Egmond, the Moor was not a symbolism. And no human being was called black in Shakespare's time. They were called Muurs. Before they fell into slavery and got a new descriptive, an adjective instead of a noun, as a non-name: negro, black....
Those words cloud your thinking and analysis. Hence you fail to see that Shakespare was Muur and not black.
And that the Moritzburg treasures were actually the images of Moritz the Muurish owner of the Moritzburg castle.
Black spell-words will bewitch your mind, and defeat your conclusions.
[Do not mind the straight hair, he is definetly Black.]
Honey child, the only goddam thing you have to do is post some evidence of all the things you are saying. Remember you are not adressing some of these half-literate church members, American? or Africans? you seem to impress with mumbo-jumbo, mythical, and magical crap.
The Black, and Black identified elite was a fixed mulatto race, as they were a minority in a sea of whites, there was a measure of intermarriage, so probably the most common type among them was brown or black skinned half-breed Blacks.
But in imagery they showed their true ancestor's type, The Classical African. Eurotrash, talking out of its ass wants all Blacks to resemble say James Brown, or Viola Davis. Well, they don't, and its not up to this trash to define these people in retrospective. Some were really sooty black, with huge classical African lips, frizzled hair, monsterly bloated penisses, and garage door noses. But many were something in between.
But they aal showed their descend from Blacks with images, badges of Moors. If they had a ancestor who very much resembled a Moor like Alexander de Medici, his likeness was used by his descendents as a badge of blue blood.
Perhaps the image of the Moor was also used as a pledge of allegiance, because whites were also elevated, and they had to make clear they accepted Black Superiority.
So its quite easy, you are not adressing ignorant Black Trash, so show some proof of what you are saying.
Egmond, put away the trashy talk. Perhaps you are under a miscomprehension or I am unable to parse what you are talking about.
Can you find me a pre-14 century European text where a Muur was described as a black.
We are not blacks! I am not just a colour!
I have a history and nationality. An ethnic identity. We have always been known as Muurs, from Kemit otherwise known as Ta-Muur (Ta-Mer), land of the Muurs, to Europe, where the Greeks and the Romans called us Muurs.
We are not from yesterday. We are from very old.
And please drop the sexual innuendos and pictures. Lets keep this thread clean...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: MUUR = CURLY HAIRED PERSON
The Griffin brothers are bi-racial, their father being African-American and their mother White.
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Lioness dear, Mulattoes come in all shapes, sizes, and complexions.
In other words all of the above people are Muurs. Thanks for conmfirming this, we are all on the same page now. But Mike please stop using terms like "black" and "mulatto" This is Ironlion's thread. Ironlion will tell you himself the proper term is Moor or Muur
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Giovanni Medici
Another member of the famous or infamous European Elite Muurish family!
Giovanni Medici(1475-1521) (aka Pope Leo X)
He was the last non-priest (only a deacon) to be elected Pope. He is known for granting indulgences for those who donated to reconstruct St. Peter's Basilica and his challenging of Martin Luther's 95 Theses. He was the second son of Lorenzo de' Medici, the most famous ruler of the Florentine Republic, and Clarice Orsini.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
The Negri family of France
Originally from Normandy France, noble and prominent family with land, manors and white slaves.
This family was well regarded in their local region of Calvados.
Egmond, the book is called a book of Seneca’s Tragedies.
It was made for the Pucci family of Florence, one of those Muurish people I speak about.
Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
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Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino 1529-30,
The Pucci family great Muurish ancestor:
quote: The family surname derives from an ancestor named Jacopo, abbreviated to Jacopuccio, then to Puccio, who was considered wise and frequently called upon to settle disputes - there are records of two such interventions in 1264 and 1287.
Their former surname seems to have been Saracini, which explains the presence of a maure or moor's head on their crest and coat of arms.
[Whoever is using the handle called Lioness wrote]:In other words all of the above people are Muurs. Thanks for conmfirming this, we are all on the same page now.
[Marc writes]: Stop with the phony business of pretending Mike is saying that white-looking people who have curly hair are Muurs.
You are trying to make it appear your beliefs and ends are identical whereas your agenda is the attempted destruction or defilement of any black thing that is positive. This is what your handlers pay you to do.
You are putting words in his mouth.
It is you trying to blur the line between black Muurs and whites so you can "claim" and try to have us accept that white-looking people who may happen to have curly or wiry hair or are prognathous are Muur. And by extension, black Muurs did not build the Europe whites moved into, took over, and rule today. Whites did. Not blacks.
Your whites with curly hair are not Muur. They are people who have blacks in their ancestry but they are whites with black blood in their veins who psychically, culturally, and physically are white.
You are a devious, amoral person who is not fooling anyone as your motivations are so transparent. And your fake oil paintings of monarchs who on coinage are black don't cut no ice with us. I wish you and your nagging butt would disappear.
Here you are up to white people's game of trying to negate and claim black accomplishment and value as white.
What an odd human drive.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
[Whoever is using the handle called Lioness wrote]:In other words all of the above people are Muurs. Thanks for conmfirming this, we are all on the same page now.
[Marc writes]: Stop with the phony business of pretending Mike is saying that white-looking people who have curly hair are Muurs.
You are trying to make it appear your beliefs and ends are identical whereas your agenda is the attempted destruction or defilement of any black thing that is positive. This is what your handlers pay you to do.
You are putting words in his mouth.
It is you trying to blur the line between black Muurs and whites so you can "claim" and try to have us accept that white-looking people who may happen to have curly or wiry hair or are prognathous are Muur. And by extension, black Muurs did not build the Europe whites moved into, took over, and rule today. Whites did. Not blacks.
Your whites with curly hair are not Muur. They are people who have blacks in their ancestry but they are whites with black blood in their veins who psychically, culturally, and physically are white.
You are a devious, amoral person who is not fooling anyone as your motivations are so transparent. And your fake oil paintings of monarchs who on coinage are black don't cut no ice with us. I wish you and your nagging butt would disappear.
Here you are up to white people's game of trying to negate and claim black accomplishment and value as white.
What an odd human drive.
Word Sound n Power! Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
[Whoever is using the handle called Lioness wrote]:In other words all of the above people are Muurs. Thanks for conmfirming this, we are all on the same page now.
[Marc writes]: Stop with the phony business of pretending Mike is saying that white-looking people who have curly hair are Muurs.
You are trying to make it appear your beliefs and ends are identical whereas your agenda is the attempted destruction or defilement of any black thing that is positive. This is what your handlers pay you to do.
You are putting words in his mouth.
It is you trying to blur the line between black Muurs and whites so you can "claim" and try to have us accept that white-looking people who may happen to have curly or wiry hair or are prognathous are Muur. And by extension, black Muurs did not build the Europe whites moved into, took over, and rule today. Whites did. Not blacks.
Your whites with curly hair are not Muur. They are people who have blacks in their ancestry but they are whites with black blood in their veins who psychically, culturally, and physically are white.
You are a devious, amoral person who is not fooling anyone as your motivations are so transparent. And your fake oil paintings of monarchs who on coinage are black don't cut no ice with us. I wish you and your nagging butt would disappear.
Here you are up to white people's game of trying to negate and claim black accomplishment and value as white.
What an odd human drive.
Marc Iron likes you but you don't understand his Muurish teachings. Look at the below post again. Below, a repeat post from above, Iron is showing us that Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino as shown below is a Muur because his ancestor as shown on the book emblem and iron work is a Muur. It's a one drop sort of thing. Marc I am understanding the Ironlion teachings. You like him but don't really understand his teachings. You don't understand Moorish Science and need to read the Circle 7 Holy Koran to get a better understanding.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Egmond, the book is called a book of Seneca’s Tragedies.
It was made for the Pucci family of Florence, one of those Muurish people I speak about.
Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
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Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino 1529-30,
The Pucci family great Muurish ancestor:
quote: The family surname derives from an ancestor named Jacopo, abbreviated to Jacopuccio, then to Puccio, who was considered wise and frequently called upon to settle disputes - there are records of two such interventions in 1264 and 1287.
Their former surname seems to have been Saracini, which explains the presence of a maure or moor's head on their crest and coat of arms.
Marc, again as per curly hair, read the below Ironlion quote. Ironlion is not Mike he is Ironlion a Muur.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: I grew up with cousins that looked exactly like that boy in the heart of tropical Nigeria.
Their mothers were white but their fathers were black. I now that tribe so well know that you cannot pass one of them off to me as a "white" boy.
No way. He is black to me. I say he probably got black genes, because I have blood cousins like that, who have more Nigerian culture than I do .
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Cosigned!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
enough with the compliments
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUURZ!
Aben Humeya - Morisco Rebel Leader
aka Abubakar Ben Umayad
quote:On Christmas Eve of 1568, monfies and Moriscos of Granada, the Alpujarras, and elsewhere secretly assembled at the Vale de Lecrin. They repudiated Christianity, and proclaimed Aben Humeya (born Fernando de Valor) as their ruler and heir of the Caliphate of Córdoba.
The insurrection took the form of guerrilla warfare with military and economic support from Algeria. Aben Humeya was assassinated in 1569, and replaced by Aben Aboo.
Pinkie's lies and fantasies; Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
[Whoever is using the handle called Lioness wrote]:In other words all of the above people are Muurs. Thanks for conmfirming this, we are all on the same page now.
[Marc writes]: Stop with the phony business of pretending Mike is saying that white-looking people who have curly hair are Muurs.
You are trying to make it appear your beliefs and ends are identical whereas your agenda is the attempted destruction or defilement of any black thing that is positive. This is what your handlers pay you to do.
You are putting words in his mouth.
It is you trying to blur the line between black Muurs and whites so you can "claim" and try to have us accept that white-looking people who may happen to have curly or wiry hair or are prognathous are Muur. And by extension, black Muurs did not build the Europe whites moved into, took over, and rule today. Whites did. Not blacks.
Your whites with curly hair are not Muur. They are people who have blacks in their ancestry but they are whites with black blood in their veins who psychically, culturally, and physically are white.
You are a devious, amoral person who is not fooling anyone as your motivations are so transparent. And your fake oil paintings of monarchs who on coinage are black don't cut no ice with us. I wish you and your nagging butt would disappear.
Here you are up to white people's game of trying to negate and claim black accomplishment and value as white.
What an odd human drive.
Marc Iron likes you but you don't understand his Muurish teachings. Look at the below post again. Below, a repeat post from above, Iron is showing us that Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino as shown below is a Muur because his ancestor as shown on the book emblem and iron work is a Muur. It's a one drop sort of thing. Marc I am understanding the Ironlion teachings. You like him but don't really understand his teachings. You don't understand Moorish Science and need to read the Circle 7 Holy Koran to get a better understanding.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Egmond, the book is called a book of Seneca’s Tragedies.
It was made for the Pucci family of Florence, one of those Muurish people I speak about.
Muurish German Kings
Nuremberg Musuem:
.....
Cardinal Lorenzo Pucci by Parmigianino 1529-30,
The Pucci family great Muurish ancestor:
quote: The family surname derives from an ancestor named Jacopo, abbreviated to Jacopuccio, then to Puccio, who was considered wise and frequently called upon to settle disputes - there are records of two such interventions in 1264 and 1287.
Their former surname seems to have been Saracini, which explains the presence of a maure or moor's head on their crest and coat of arms.
The last Emperor of the Roman Empire in the East also known as the Byzantine Empire.
The Turks murdered him.
He was martyred by the forces of Sultan Mehmet during the assault on The City on May 29, 1453. His feast is celebrated on May 29 (e.g., St. Herman Calendar 2000, p.38).
He is venerated among Orthodox and Byzantine Catholics alike, for his deep faith, his steadfastness to his people and to his duties as Emperor in the face of certain death at the hands of the Sultan’s forces....
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Emperor Constantine the Great Muur
He invented Christianity:
Iron that's a nice modern icon of Emperor Constantine the Great Muur made by Father Meholick do you have any older stuff, sculptures of Constantine maybe?
thanks, lioness
Meholick, V. Rev. Mark St. Nicholas Church Archdiocese of Western Pennsylvania
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Emperor Constantine the Great Muur
He invented Christianity:
Iron that's a nice modern icon of Emperor Constantine the Great Muur made by Father Meholick do you have any older stuff, sculptures of Constantine maybe?
thanks, lioness
Meholick, V. Rev. Mark St. Nicholas Church Archdiocese of Western Pennsylvania
Are you suffering albinism-related macular degeneration?
Ok, I gonna help you again. Get out your magnifying glass software :
The icon of the emperor Constantine, is modeled on the bust located at the Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome......
Then look at this silver coin:
Et, regarde cette image-la Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Icon of the Emperor Constantine painted by Rev. Father Mark V. Meholick, St. Nicholas Church Archdiocese of Western Pennsylvania
Rev. Father Mark V. Meholick,
quote:Originally posted by Ironlion:
The icon of the emperor Constantine, is modeled on the bust located at the Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome......
Bust of the Emperor Constantine the great Muur Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Icon of the Emperor Constantine painted by Rev. Father Mark V. Meholick, St. Nicholas Church Archdiocese of Western Pennsylvania
Rev. Father Mark V. Meholick,
quote:Originally posted by Ironlion:
The icon of the emperor Constantine, is modeled on the bust located at the Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome......
Bust of the Emperor Constantine the great Muur Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome
No Duncey, not that fantasy shyte.
This one here:
This bust of the emperor Constantine, which is located at the Palazzo dei Conservatori in Rome, may well have been part of the huge statue of the emperor which was erected in Rome in 313 shortly after his victory over Maxentius which Eusebius mentions in his Historia Ecclesiastica.
Any Muur questions.. Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Haydn the famous classical musician was Muurish and this was a well known fact:
"Such music by such a nigger!" exclaimed one prince. Another called him a Moor. And two others could not endure him at all. He was undersized and slender as well; and his legs were so very short that they hardly reached the ground. His nose was long and beaked and disfigured, with nostrils of different shape, and he was undershot like a bulldog, and unusually pitted with smallpox even for those ante-vaccination days, when it was the ordinary thing to show the marks of this plague. He always wore a wig, too; beginning when he was a child of six, "for the sake of cleanliness"! and continuing to the day of his death, even when wigs were out of style...
He was a Negri-Latini from Danube regions in Europe (present Bosnia) close to Mount Negro.
He was also the boss of Rome, and Emperor.
Who is this:
Waiting.... Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
"Haydn the famous classical musician was Muurish and this was a well known fact:"
I read this same story but with beethoven
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: "Haydn the famous classical musician was Muurish and this was a well known fact:"
I read this same story but with beethoven
The two of them were Muurz!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
MUURZ!!
Emperor Amilius Amelianus (AD ca. 206 – AD 253)
He was a Muurish Emperor of Rome..
quote:Marcus Aemilius Aemilianus was born about AD 207 either on the island of Jerba in Africa, or somewhere in Mauretania. He was an indigenous Aferis, African.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This man was Muurish.
He was a Negri-Latini from Danube regions in Europe (present Bosnia) close to Mount Negro.
He was also the boss of Rome, and Emperor.
Who is this:
Waiting....
Maximinus II (Latin: Gaius Valerius Galerius Maximinus Daia Augustus; c. 20 November 270 – July or August 313), also known as Maximinus Daia or Maximinus Daza, was Roman Emperor from 308 to 313. He was born of Dacian peasant stock. Dacians were the ancient inhabitants of Dacia (located in the area in and around the Carpathian Mountains and east of there to the Black Sea). This area includes the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of Sarmatia (mostly in eastern Ukraine), Moesia (Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria), Slovakia and Poland
more Maximinus II, coins
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurz:
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Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
________________________________________ quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by IronLion: I grew up with cousins that looked exactly like that boy in the heart of tropical Nigeria.
Their mothers were white but their fathers were black. I now that tribe so well know that you cannot pass one of them off to me as a "white" boy.
No way. He is black to me. I say he probably got black genes, because I have blood cousins like that, who have more Nigerian culture than I do. ________________________________________
Marc writes:
Lion, when I told whoever is Lioness that she was a muskrat or whatever, in sheep's clothing, I meant she is using her selective approval of black this or that to further her white agenda.
And she is using you, your goodness, your righteousness, your astuteness for her agenda.
She has used your images of white-skinned Muurs to say she understands and sympathizes with you and I should understand your teachings ... but to what end?
Her end is to whiten Muurs in order to go back in history and claim it was white-skinned Muurs who established the kingdoms, Western religions, the castles and culture of Europe. She wants to say it was the white Muurs, not the black. And her as yet unstated claim is a cynical lie.
Now, I'm not phobic against whites. My father as a Christian minister had a huge three-story home and we had rooms to spare. And ten times or so growing up, we had people in need of a room to sleep move into our home. Sometimes they were recently released from prison. Some from Africa or Liberia who had no place to stay.
We had whites living in our home. One a social worker. The other a 16 year-old Jewish girl whose mother was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania but was too busy with her career to raise her daughter. Wanting to belong to a family where kids had responsibilities and respect, she asked if she could move in during her senior year in high school and my parents consented. She became like a sister and her children considered my parents to be their grandparents. So, I am down with, am cool with normal whites.
But this Lioness creation is all about devious white supremacy. She is using you against me to curry favor with you and appear blacker than me for her insidious game.
Her game is to have people accept white Muurs as black where the white Muurs historically did it all.
This is where I draw the line. I can accept today's white-skinned Muurs who psychically and mentally are black or have one white parent and another black.
BUT, IT WAS NOT WHITE-SKINNED MUURS WHO ESTABLISHED EUROPE, THE KINGDOMS, RELIGIONS, CULTURES, AND NATIONS. IT WAS THE BLACK-SKINNED MUURS, MOORS WHO DID THIS BEFORE WHITES STARTED ARRIVING WITH THE GERMANIC, ITALIC, AND SLAVIC IMMIGRATION MOVEMENTS AND STARTED INTER-MARRYING WITH US PRODUCING THE LIGHT-SKINNED AND EVENTUALLY WHITE PROGENY WHO ARE TODAY'S KINGS AND QUEENS, AND TITLED ROYALTY OF EUROPE.
White-skinned Muurs came after the fact, after everything was already done by the black-skinned peoples, Celts, Gauls, Romans of the Republic, Phoenicians, i.e. Muurs.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
I hear you Mark.
All the Lionese team is doing is posting up out of context conversation we had in the past as if that will change the history of the Black Skinned Muurs of Europe.
The history is there for any one to check.
Our job is just to provide directions for people's research.
Facts are facts...
Maure means black in Greek and Kemitian times.
Lionese is just rambling random anxieties, but she is not making any consistent or wholesome point.
Her target is to be a nuisance and a distraction, not to contradict us because they cannot and they do not have the intelligence to try.
She/they are just panicked,making various animal sounds, and beginning a multiplicity of new threads so we leave off the important job here to chase wind with her.
No, Mark, I have too much confidence and respect for you, to permit Lionese skunt bytch, to distract our most important research which has already been corroborated many times over....
Let's burn them up with higher knowledge.
MUUR FIRE MARC!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This man was Muurish.
He was a Negri-Latini from Danube regions in Europe (present Bosnia) close to Mount Negro.
He was also the boss of Rome, and Emperor.
Who is this:
Original bust of the Emperor made in his lifetime still in Cairo Muesum:
Waiting....
...
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Lionese, what you put up is a copy from the original bust which is the first one I put up.
Here is the caption on the picture you stoole from Wikipedia. That is why you failed to put the link, but I will post it for everyone including the link...
You are an albino fraud and a vampire, desperately begging to attach to the Muurs, so you can begin your blood-sucking! Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: "Haydn the famous classical musician was Muurish and this was a well known fact:"
I read this same story but with beethoven
Black supremacy: persons like Van Beethoven, Hayden and Shakespeare benefited from their resemblence to the Black noble elite. Blue blood is black blood.
In Suriname we are black, we refer to ourselfs als black, we have no complex with the word Black. My latest sweetheart there was black as black velvet.
Mr. Surinam 1994, Eddy Wilson
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: "Haydn the famous classical musician was Muurish and this was a well known fact:"
I read this same story but with beethoven
Black supremacy: persons like Van Beethoven, Hayden and Shakespeare benefited from their resemblence to the Black noble elite. Blue blood is black blood.
In Suriname we are black, we refer to ourselfs als black, we have no complex with the word Black. My latest sweetheart there was black as black velvet.
Because when you were enslaved in Surinam by the Albinos, they took away your original name, your nationality, and your history. They dropped your ancestral name: Muur, and called you a black.
What is a black?
Black is an adjective not a noun.
A little English grammar:
Nouns are names of people and things.
Adjectives describe a noun.
Muur is a noun. Black is an adjective....
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Did not the word Kemet refer to Black, the colour of the African earth. Blacks; who came first, saw themselves as Blacks, their skins were many shades, but they identified as Blacks, looking with apprehension at the whites. In Uganda they use the same word for albino and for white man: Musunga. Now some whites have managed to defile the prestige of the Black Nation since 1848. So I do not see any need to go change anything. Now as we are de-colonised the Surinamese see their true potential, they see what was always in us, but which we could not express because were were kept down and maligned. We are a Black nation, Black and proud. Nobody can hurt us by calling us Black.
Emma (1817) by Jane Austen: Mr Elton, black, spruce and smiling.'
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Iron, A letter: Muur on Hayden and Beethoven
Dear Arnold,
I, too, studied classical music as a youth (classical piano for ten years). When I first heard that Beethoven was 'black,' I was very skeptical because it was in the context of "Everyone who was anyone was 'black'." That was in the late 1960's during the early stages of the 'black pride, Black is beautiful,'emergence, and it was presented almost as a joke. Since that time, I've had reason to reconsider, based in part on the following taken out of J.A. Roger's work, 100 AMAZING FACTS ABOUT THE NEGRO WITH COMPLETE PROOF, written in 1957.
The following is his proof:
Frederick Hertz, German anthropologist, in "Race and Civilization," refers twice to Beethoven's "Negroid traits" and his "dark" skin, and "flat, thick nose." (pp. 123 and 178).
Frau Fischer, an intimate acquaintance of Beethoven, describes him thus, "Short, stocky, broad shoulders, short neck, round nose, blackish-brown complexion." (From r. H. Schauffler, The Man Who Freed Music, Vol. I, p. 18, 1929).
In speaking of the immortal Haydn who was Beethoven's teacher, Andre de Hevesy, says: "Everybody knows the incident at Kismarton or Eisenstadt, the residence of Prince Esterhazy. In the middle of the first allegro of Haydn's symphony, His Highness asked the name of the author. He was brought forward. "'What!'exclaimed the prince, 'the music is by this blackamoor? 'Well, my fine blackamoor, henceforward, thou art in my service.'"
Carpani, who originally related this says that "Haydn's complexion gave room for the sarcasm." And that Haydn had the title of "second professor of music but his new comrades called him The Moor." (G. Carpani: Le Haydn, etc. Letter 5. Milan, 1812).
Referring to the above incident, Alexander W. Thayer, perhaps the foremost authority on Beethoven, says, "Beethoven had even more of the Moor in his features than his master, 'Haydn.'" (Beethoven, Vol. I, p. 146). By "Moor" was meant "Negro." Until recent times the German for "Negro" was "Mohr."
Paul Bekker, another very noted authority on Beethoven, says that "the most faithful picture of Beethoven's head" shows him with "wide, thick lipped mouth, short, thick nose, and proudly arched forehead." (Beethoven, p. 41, 1925. trans. Bozman). Thayer adds that Beethoven was an ugly little man, and no one would be more astonished than the great composer should he return and see how he has been idealized by sculptors and painters.
Beethoven's family originated in Belgium, which had been ruled for centuries by the Spaniards, who had large numbers of Negro soldiers in their army there. Theophile Gautier speaks of a Belgian type characterized by brown skin and dark hair "a second race which the soldiers of the Spanish Duke of Alva have sown between Brussels and Cambrai."
In short, the general description of Beethoven, even to his frizzly hair, fits that of many an Aframerican or West Indian mulatto. In the Southern States Beethoven would have been forced to ride in the jim-crow car.
See also: Rogers, J.A., "Sex and Race," Vol. I, pp. 288, 289,302 (1941) for other data on Beethoven's Negro strain, one of which is from the new York Times. Also p. 8 for portrait of Beethoven drawn from life by Hofel, which clearly shows the Negro strain. For more extended proof as well as a picture of Beethoven's life-mask see Sex and Race, Vol. 3, pp. 306-309.
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Ancient name for Egypt was Ta-Muuri, or Tameri (mispelt).
Ta-Muuri means land of the Muurs.
Mauritania in African, means land of the Muurs.
Morocco means land of the Muurs.
Marakesh means house of Kush and the Muurs.
Chinese come from China;
Japanese from Japan;
Indians from India;
Syrians from Syria;
Where is your black from?
Can you show me the Black land outside of slavery?
Can you show me Black-kistan on the map?
Keep on being black.. since it works for you.
I am Muur from ancient Mauritania.... there in West Africa.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
Iron, A letter: Muur on Hayden and Beethoven
Dear Arnold,
I, too, studied classical music as a youth (classical piano for ten years). When I first heard that Beethoven was 'black,' I was very skeptical because it was in the context of "Everyone who was anyone was 'black'." That was in the late 1960's during the early stages of the 'black pride, Black is beautiful,'emergence, and it was presented almost as a joke. Since that time, I've had reason to reconsider, based in part on the following taken out of J.A. Roger's work, 100 AMAZING FACTS ABOUT THE NEGRO WITH COMPLETE PROOF, written in 1957.
The following is his proof:
Frederick Hertz, German anthropologist, in "Race and Civilization," refers twice to Beethoven's "Negroid traits" and his "dark" skin, and "flat, thick nose." (pp. 123 and 178).
Frau Fischer, an intimate acquaintance of Beethoven, describes him thus, "Short, stocky, broad shoulders, short neck, round nose, blackish-brown complexion." (From r. H. Schauffler, The Man Who Freed Music, Vol. I, p. 18, 1929).
In speaking of the immortal Haydn who was Beethoven's teacher, Andre de Hevesy, says: "Everybody knows the incident at Kismarton or Eisenstadt, the residence of Prince Esterhazy. In the middle of the first allegro of Haydn's symphony, His Highness asked the name of the author. He was brought forward. "'What!'exclaimed the prince, 'the music is by this blackamoor? 'Well, my fine blackamoor, henceforward, thou art in my service.'"
Carpani, who originally related this says that "Haydn's complexion gave room for the sarcasm." And that Haydn had the title of "second professor of music but his new comrades called him The Moor." (G. Carpani: Le Haydn, etc. Letter 5. Milan, 1812).
Referring to the above incident, Alexander W. Thayer, perhaps the foremost authority on Beethoven, says, "Beethoven had even more of the Moor in his features than his master, 'Haydn.'" (Beethoven, Vol. I, p. 146). By "Moor" was meant "Negro." Until recent times the German for "Negro" was "Mohr."
Paul Bekker, another very noted authority on Beethoven, says that "the most faithful picture of Beethoven's head" shows him with "wide, thick lipped mouth, short, thick nose, and proudly arched forehead." (Beethoven, p. 41, 1925. trans. Bozman). Thayer adds that Beethoven was an ugly little man, and no one would be more astonished than the great composer should he return and see how he has been idealized by sculptors and painters.
Beethoven's family originated in Belgium, which had been ruled for centuries by the Spaniards, who had large numbers of Negro soldiers in their army there. Theophile Gautier speaks of a Belgian type characterized by brown skin and dark hair "a second race which the soldiers of the Spanish Duke of Alva have sown between Brussels and Cambrai."
In short, the general description of Beethoven, even to his frizzly hair, fits that of many an Aframerican or West Indian mulatto. In the Southern States Beethoven would have been forced to ride in the jim-crow car.
See also: Rogers, J.A., "Sex and Race," Vol. I, pp. 288, 289,302 (1941) for other data on Beethoven's Negro strain, one of which is from the new York Times. Also p. 8 for portrait of Beethoven drawn from life by Hofel, which clearly shows the Negro strain. For more extended proof as well as a picture of Beethoven's life-mask see Sex and Race, Vol. 3, pp. 306-309.
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Regard la lecture en haut. C'est la verite!
Truth and wisdom! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Ancient name for Egypt was Ta-Muuri, or Tameri (mispelt).
Ta-Muuri means land of the Muurs.
Mauritania in African, means land of the Muurs.
Morocco means land of the Muurs.
Marakesh means house of Kush and the Muurs.
Chinese come from China;
Japanese from Japan;
Indians from India;
Syrians from Syria;
Where is your black from?
Can you show me the Black land outside of slavery?
Can you show me Black-kistan on the map?
Keep on being black.. since it works for you.
I am Muur from ancient Mauritania.... there in West Africa.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: MUURZ!!
Emperor Amilius Amelianus (AD ca. 206 – AD 253)
He was a Muurish Emperor of Rome..
quote:Marcus Aemilius Aemilianus was born about AD 207 either on the island of Jerba in Africa, or somewhere in Mauretania. He was an indigenous Aferis, African.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: This man was Muurish.
He was a Negri-Latini from Danube regions in Europe (present Bosnia) close to Mount Negro.
He was also the boss of Rome, and Emperor.
Who is this:
Waiting....
Maximinus II (Latin: Gaius Valerius Galerius Maximinus Daia Augustus; c. 20 November 270 – July or August 313), also known as Maximinus Daia or Maximinus Daza, was Roman Emperor from 308 to 313. He was born of Dacian peasant stock. Dacians were the ancient inhabitants of Dacia (located in the area in and around the Carpathian Mountains and east of there to the Black Sea). This area includes the present-day countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as parts of Sarmatia (mostly in eastern Ukraine), Moesia (Eastern Serbia, Northern Bulgaria), Slovakia and Poland
more Maximinus II, coins
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Muurz:
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the copy looks exactly the same as the original so it makes no difference, however the coins tell the story, they are not copies
Bronze statue of Augustus
^^^are we to assume that because of the materials used in the sculpture that he had a similarly very dark skin tone?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Any Muur questions? [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington:
Lion, when I told whoever is Lioness that she was a muskrat or whatever, in sheep's clothing, I meant she is using her selective approval of black this or that to further her white agenda.
And she is using you, your goodness, your righteousness, your astuteness for her agenda.
She has used your images of white-skinned Muurs to say she understands and sympathizes with you and I should understand your teachings ... but to what end?
Her end is to whiten Muurs in order to go back in history and claim it was white-skinned Muurs who established the kingdoms, Western religions, the castles and culture of Europe. She wants to say it was the white Muurs, not the black. And her as yet unstated claim is a cynical lie.
I am down with, am cool with normal whites.
But this Lioness creation is all about devious white supremacy. She is using you against me to curry favor with you and appear blacker than me for her insidious game.
Her game is to have people accept white Muurs as black where the white Muurs historically did it all.
This is where I draw the line. I can accept today's white-skinned Muurs who psychically and mentally are black or have one white parent and another black.
BUT, IT WAS NOT WHITE-SKINNED MUURS WHO ESTABLISHED EUROPE, THE KINGDOMS, RELIGIONS, CULTURES, AND NATIONS. IT WAS THE BLACK-SKINNED MUURS, MOORS WHO DID THIS BEFORE WHITES STARTED ARRIVING WITH THE GERMANIC, ITALIC, AND SLAVIC IMMIGRATION MOVEMENTS AND STARTED INTER-MARRYING WITH US PRODUCING THE LIGHT-SKINNED AND EVENTUALLY WHITE PROGENY WHO ARE TODAY'S KINGS AND QUEENS, AND TITLED ROYALTY OF EUROPE.
White-skinned Muurs came after the fact, after everything was already done by the black-skinned peoples, Celts, Gauls, Romans of the Republic, Phoenicians, i.e. Muurs. [/QB]
Marc you are still not understanding the Moorish Science teachings
read this Morrish Science website on the use of the term "black":
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Because when you were enslaved in Surinam by the Albinos, they took away your original name, your nationality, and your history. They dropped your ancestral name: Muur, and called you a black.
What is a black?
Black is an adjective not a noun.
A little English grammar:
Nouns are names of people and things.
Adjectives describe a noun.
Muur is a noun. Black is an adjective....
Can you show me the Black land outside of slavery?
Can you show me Black-kistan on the map?
Keep on being black.. since it works for you.
I am Muur from ancient Mauritania.... there in West Africa.
Marc, the term "Muur" or "Moor" makes the word "black" obsolete, similarly "white"
Moorish scientists have mad it a point to drop these terms. Therefore therefore saying "Black Muur" or "White Muur" is a contradiction. There are not "Black Muurs" There are no "White Muurs"
There are only "Muurs" you need to study Moorish Science and listen to Ironlion
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [QB] ^^Skunty
The bust is that of a black man.
A picture is more than a thousand words.
If you have eyes, use it..
^^^ see Marc ?? I don't agree with some of what Ironlion says but I understand his teachings. I f you want to support this thread you need to keep the terminology Muurish not "black" There is no country called "Blackitania" The term "black" was imposed on us by 'binos
lioness productions
***Iron I thought you wer Nigerian? You're Mauretanian? What city?
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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Albino Skunt
I am still hoping for your numbskull. You will get it finally.
Muurish science recognizes Muurs. The Muurs are the nobility and the original whites. White refers to social status.
When we ruled Europe, those who call themsleves whites today were called variously as Cagots aka Askenazi Jews, Albinos, Pinks or Red people i.e. the Red Men's Whig Party of America which renamed itself the Republican Party of today.
Actually, in middle English, the so-called whites of today were called Bleac, since they were Bleak without colour, or Bleached out of colour, or Blake, Black, Bleac. All same words.
You are the Cagot.
It is all there in history. Check it yourself, if you want links let me know and I will provide...
You asked where I am from? I am from the Muurish City of Lagos, in so-called Nigeria former known as Southern Ethiopia or Mauretania.
Skunt Read:
The Muurish City of Lagos in Nigeria and Portugal:
quote:THE MOORISH CITIES OF LAGOS IN NIGERIA AND PORTUGAL
BY
JIDE UWECHIA
The capital of Nigeria and the biggest state in Nigeria, West Africa are named Lagos. Lagos is an Iberic word which means the lakes. The province of Algrave in Portugal also has a city by the name of Lagos. How come the capital of Nigeria is situated in a locality named after a Portugese word is one of those not so known incidents of history.
We shall now take a look at the ancient Moorish Lagos, the Lagos that was first situated along the coastal regions of Algrave (al-Gharb), in Portugal southern Europe. There black men lived as kings and princes, Amirs and Caliphs, and ruled, directed and cultured the Europeans until they became semi-civilized and began to threaten the very foundation of nature.
Yes there is a city of Lagos in Portugal which belongs to the great annals of Black history.
The Portugese black Moorish Lagos is an ancient maritime town with more than 2,000 years of history.
To see a Moor of this image "Foto Marburg, Aufnahme-Nr. 182.382;; (s/w, 18x24); Fotoinhalt: Die Kreuztragung Christi"
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
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Muurish science recognizes Muurs. The Muurs are the nobility and the original whites. White refers to social status.
Marc learn the teachings
The Cagot lioness
Now can we talk a lil bit about your Cagotic Ashkenazi family who now claim to be the gods of this world.
Tell us a bit about your Cagot history, and how you invaded Europe and took over the land of the Muurs.
France is the land of the Muurs? How did these Cagots manage to take over the original white Muurs?
Paris, Parisi, Par Isis
The house that Isis built.
That is why Notre Dame is a special place. That used to be the shrine of Isis.
quote: The Hours of Étienne Chevalier is one of the most famous and lavishly illuminated manuscripts of the fifteenth century. It was painted for the treasurer of France by Jean Fouquet, court artist to kings Charles VII and Louis XI, who worked not only as a miniaturist but also as a panel painter and scenery designer. The Lehman miniature decorates the page that contains the opening words of the evening prayer (vespers) for the Hours of the Holy Spirit.
It shows the [Moorish French] faithful standing in the foreground on a terrace, looking up at the hand of God, as demons flee to the left and right. The subject is highly unusual, as is the topographically accurate depiction of medieval Paris, in which the Cathedral of Notre-Dame, the spire of Saint-Chapelle, the Pont Saint-Michel, and other monuments of the Île de la Cité (including the Hôtel de Nesle, where the figures stand) are immediately recognizable.
This is how your albinos cagots took over the land from the Muurs:
Any Muur questions? Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Wild man, wild woman, Official Heraldic Coat-of-Arms of the city of Antwerp
(this means the rulers must have been wild men [coat of arms = how rulers looked theory] coat of arms of the municipality of Klosters-Serneus (CH-GR)
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Thaler coin from Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel with the traditional wild-man design on coins from the mints in the Harz Mountains
Wild man supporter from 1589 (arms of the Holzhausen family)
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Those are the albino families who replaced the Muurs of Europe after they took over our land, churches, castle and farms. As described in pictures here:
Muurs of Parisien France
and here
The invasion of wilde Albinos into Muurish Europe:
Ever asked yourself why those Albinos are called wild men?
Their names were Mr. Wilde, Mr. Savage, Mr. Villien, all barbarians.
That's why I cannot help laughing, when I see you pink chimps strutting and claiming civilization.
LOL! Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ so when did albinos take over? what is the approximate date range?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Go ask your Grand-daddy.
Tell him you just discovered the Albino truth - thanks to the Muur known as IronLion!
It will make for a good family dinner conversation.
Will you call me "Daddy" now? Eh, I am waiting...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
I am waiting for you to giuve dates of when whites took over in Europe
quote:Originally posted by Mike111 "Migrating people during this period included the Huns and the albino Germanic tribes:
•Goths •Vandals •Avars •Bulgars •Alans •Suebi •Frisians amoung other Germanic and Slavic tribes"
a lot of this is around 4th-7th centuries, etc
Although Egmond says blacks began their rulership of Europe in 1100 and then whites took over in 1848
Call me Daddy Lion first...
For all the brutal beatdowns you have received so far.
Then maybe I will be inclined to tell you Muur about your history and origins.
I now understand you need to know the truth. Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Call me Daddy Lion first...
how about battywashologist instead of daddy?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Call me Daddy Lion first...
how about battywashologist instead of daddy?
Ashkenazis are the world famous batty boys...
Ethiopians and Muurs burn-up your evil ways .. Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
My sources say you are a Muurish battywashologist, correct?
getting back on topic:
Moriscos were the converted Christian inhabitants of Spain and Portugal of Muslim heritage. Over time the term was used in a pejorative sense applied to those nominal Catholics who were suspected of secretly practicing Islam. de Espanol i Mulata Morisco Siglo XVIII
Some definitions from Mexico, the Morisco and other racial concepts. Note here the Morisco is considered less "black" than the mulatto:
The Spanish authorities in Mexico made every attempt, at least at first, to describe a person’s race very specifically, with a word that indicated percentages of one racial addition to another. Consequently, the list of terms is very long. However, most of them are never actually encountered. So for the sake of simplicity, I am only including definitions of words that I’ve actually seen.
(If you would like a more complete list, try here.)
Just for entertainment, I’m also posting four “Pinturas de Castas,” which reveal just how preoccupied people were back then with racial mixing. This type of painting was fairly common and almost a kind of souvenir that a Spaniard visiting colonial Mexico might take home with him.
Mulatto – “mule” – Half European, half African. However, it is very commonly used to describe people who are not half & half at all. It seems to be used to suggest very substantial black ancestry, eventually including anyone who looked mostly African, whatever the other additions may have been
Morisco – “moorish” – In Mexico it meant 3/4 European and 1/4 African. In other words, the child of one white parent and one mulatto (half white, half black) parent. It might have meant a mostly white person with evident African features. I have not seen this term used often.
Tresalba – “three white” – Same as Morisco. I’ve only seen this term used twice, for two people in the same family. Even less common than Morisco.
Yndio – “Indian” – A person of more or less all indigenous ancestry. This term was also loosely used for anyone who looked mostly like a native and lived with native peoples in their community. I have also seen the expression “de calidad yndio” used to describe such a person. There is a strong cultural element to this description, since native people often lived in their own communities and spoke their own languages, even right up until today.
Coyote – “coyote” – A person who is 3/4 Indian and 1/4 European. The child of a Mestizio & an Indian. Again, I’ve seen this term used quite often and quite indiscriminately. I think it is probably used to indicate a person who looks mostly Indian and lives like an Indian, but who clearly has some white ancestry.
Español – Spanish – This actually means someone of all European ancestry, whether Spanish or not. However, I have often seen it used with people of mixed ancestry, but who had reached a certain level of respectability. It is as much a socio-economic label as anything, especially in the later colonial years. Just like “Yndio,” it meant someone who lived a particular way at a particular place in society.
Lobo – “wolf” – A person with 3/4 Indian & 1/4 African ancestry. In other words, an Indian with one black grandparent. In the real world, however, I have seem this term used somewhat indiscriminately to describe someone who, I would assume, is essentially Indian but with some features hinting at African blood.
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Here is an older Spanish item
from the Cantigas de Santa María Rabé morisco or Moorish rebab from the Cantigas de Santa Maria manuscript. The Cantigas de Santa Maria (Songs to the Virgin Mary) are manuscripts written in Galician-Portuguese, with music notation, during the reign of Alfonso X El Sabio (1221-1284) and are one of the largest collections of monophonic (solo) songs from the Middle ages.
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Expulsion of the Moriscos by Juan de Ribera ca. 1638 When the Moriscos were expelled from Spain, they left a void in their place. They were the majority of agricultural laborers, and composed a third of the population of Valencia. The removal of the Moriscos did mean that their abandoned land passed into the hands of remaining Christian families, and was quite profitable for them.[1] The Christian expansion and recovery lasted just a short while; the expulsion and depopulation heralded a decline of Valencia. Landlords made resettlement difficult with “draconian conditions imposed upon the new settlers by their feudal lords,” and as many Moriscos left Spain without paying their debts, those left behind were saddled with making up the difference.The land that the Moriscos left behind was generally of poor quality, and bankers were wary of providing loans, since they had been burned so badly when the Moriscos were expelled. However, Valencia had already been in decline since well before 1609, and Valencia’s problems can’t be placed solely at the feet of the expelled Moriscos.
It is convenient to connect the depopulation of Valencia to it economic decline, but correlation does not equal causation.
The Morisco population can be compared to guest-workers providing supplementary labor, however, unlike modern guest-worker programs, the Moriscos stayed whether or not they were needed. With Spain’s economy in decline, their supplementary labor had ceased being economically useful. The Moriscos also were not completely integrated into the local economy; they lived and worked together, duplicating the skills of the larger population without endangering its survival. They did not have irreplaceable skills, and could be easily removed once the government deemed them a threat.[5]
Even though the Moriscos composed a large portion of the population in Valencia and the southern parts of Spain, they were mostly unskilled laborers and kept to themselves, so they functioned as a self-contained economy. Their removal did not affect Spain economically in the long term, unlike what popular opinion has assumed.
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Ironlion you are Nigerian. The true Moors had ancestry in part from North Africa.
You are not North African. You are not Moorish stop playing games
The Ladino Muurs; Muurish Jews of Biafra, Sao Tome and Principe
The Decline of the Moors
The Moors of the Iberian pennisula suffered great and incalculable losses when their centuries old rule was brought to a violent end in Spain in 1492 following the loss of the Caliphate of Granada.
Beginning from that same 1492 in Spain and 1497 in Portugal, the exile of the original dark sons was inauguarated. The conquering European armies were filled with a strange blood lust and an incurable pathological jealousy of the Moors. It was their simple wish to dispossess the Moorish owners of the land, confisicate all their properties and enslave their bodies.
It was easy and simple for them because the fight for Iberia had been drawn across racial lines, so-called “white” Asiatic-Europeans versus so-called black n brown Africans and Afro-Arabians.
New World Order
The Moors occupied the land mass where Lisbon is currently situated and in their time they called it Alishbuna. They had ruled for 400 years since 700 AD only losing their grip on power in 1147 AD. From that date until 1249 when christian crusaders conquered Algarve, the Moors lost land and authority before the hordes of inner Europe.
Following the complete conquest of Portugal in 1249 (with the capture of Algarve), the crusaders gradually tighten the noose around the Moor’s neck, literally speaking. Discrimination got worse. Odinary folks were constantly harrassed. Moors were under unrelenting suspicion of disloyalty, insurrection, and rebellion.
They were imposed on with excessive taxes. Their cultural rights were abrigded, language was restricted, political and business space became increasing non-accessible.
Finally, with the conquest of Granada in 1492 by the Spanish branch of the crusaders, all hell was let loose on the hapless Moors living then in Spain and in Portugal.
The crusaders decided that the fact of being a Moor was criminal enough in itself and so Moors were required to symbolically renounce their heritage and culture. They were required to adopt a new identity as christians called “conversos.” Sometimes these new christians were called “marranoes” a racist term which connoted a “pig” or something unclean.
Conversos were like second class christians of Portugal. Those who would not convert and accept their official second class status as de-culturated animals were then forcibly expelled either as prisoners, slaves or refugees.
The notorious instuitition known as the inquisition, a system of spies, secret police, tortures, confessions and swift executions was established. It was responsible for the death of millions of Moors all over Europe but especially in the Iberian pennisula. It lasted for hundreds of years torturing, maiming and killing all real and suspected enemies of the new European royalty. Its bloodlust, sadism and cruelty are now live in infamy. Those Moors it did not kill or maim, it sold as slaves.
It so happened that in 1496-7 Portugese Kings Joao II and Manuel I horded hundreds of thousands of Jews sent them into exile on the West African coasts of Guinea and Biafra, and on the Islands of Cape Verde and Sao Tome, into a live of perpetual slavery. These peculiar branch of the Iberian moorish Hebrews were called the Ladinos.
Ladino means latinized negros. It was a racist term used for the black Jews of Iberia who were soon deported to African Islands and coastal settlements and used as the first slaves in the sugar plantations. See, Abu Alfa MUHAMMAD SHAREEF bin Farid, “A Continuity of the 19th Century Jihaad Movements of Western Sudan,” Sankore: Institute of Islamic-African Studies,” http://www.africandiasporastudies.com/downloads/bahia_slave_revolt.pdf
According to Richard Lobban, in his article “Jews in Cape Verde and on the Guinea Coast” Paper presented at the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, 11 February 1996:
“..Portugese or Iberian Jews sometimes use this term to note this social group which consitituted a portion of early migrants to the Cape Verde Islands. Some reference use this term for the people and language of 16th and 17th century Sephardic Jews from Iberian Pennisula. The term Ladino could also refer to baptized African slaves. In either case, the reference was often racist, and derogatory and implied a lying, wandering, sneaky, and thieving group which was particularly untrustworthy.”..
Exiled Moors, the Jews of Biafra:
The Portugese had followed the pursuit of their defeated Moorish foes right across the straits of Gibraltar. The objective was to defeat the Moors in all of their land and seize it as Iberia had been seized.
Following the path of the Moorish network, the Protugese had soon falled on Cape Verde off the coast of West Africa which they seized in the middle 15th century.
Cape Verde was a half-way restocking station for the ancient Phoenicians and their medieval Moorish successors on their voyages across the ocean towards the continent in the west which later came to be known as the Americas and the Carribeans.
Having seized these groups of Islands, the Portugese continued their raids on the Moorish lands off the Gulf of Guinea and Biafra. Many coastal communites were sacked and burnt. Strategic locations on the coast such as the Elmina castle area in Cape coast, Porto Novo area in Dahomey, were occupied and declared to be under the realm of the King of Portugal. Islands such as Lagos, Escarvos, Fernado Po, and Sao Tome were colonized that early in time.
States and Kingdoms of coast of Guinea and Biafra were harrassed by the marauding Portugese crusaders cum slave raiders. Their acts of depredations were vigorously challenged by many Kings and Queens of those coastal states. One of the more famous incidents involved the war between Protugese crusaders and Queen Nzinga over the former’s incessant slave-raiding activites.
The Portugese crown had soon declared a monopoly of trade over the rich Moorish territories newly aquired off the coast of Guinea and Biafra. The Crown viewed the unwanted Moorish Jews and Muslims as cheap and easy labour to develop these newly acquired territories. It was a master stroke, getting rid of the black-a-moors and getting rich while doing it.
Between 1450 and 1500, Portugese record detail the deportation and enslavement of more than 500,000 Moorish Jews to the Islands off the the Gulf of Guinea and Biafra. Many of these were children who had been stolen and separated from their parents.
According to an article in the New York Times, September 24, 2004 by Edward Rothstein:
“The Inquisition played a more central role in the later Jewish journeys… Jews entering Portugal after being expelled from Spain in 1492 were heavily taxed. If Jews could not pay, their sons ages 2 – 10 were enslaved and sent to Sao Tome, a Portugese outpost…and worked in sugar fields…” Sao Tome was one of the more infamous slave Islands of the Atlantic that grew fabulously rich off the sugar trade.
The Moorish Jews of Guinea and Biafra
By the middle of the fifteenth century the Portuguese had deepened their penetration of West Africa. Having nothing of value to provide the coastal Moors of Guinea and Biafra in exchange for what they desired, they resorted to selling firearms, and kidnapping, slave trading and plantation production.
On the island of São Tome in the Gulf of Guinea as well as at Elmina in Ghana where the Portuguese first settled during it’s colonization of Africa, the Portuguese had, for all intents and purposes, “gone native”.
They discarded their European fashions and clad themselves in native garb, and favored the African women and lived with many of them in concubinage.
In that peculiar colonial-plantation production slave society that was created, the several categories of persons are notable.
There were the capitaos, Portugese agents of the Crown who supervised the extraction of wealth and resources from this newly conquered land of the Moors on the coast of West Africa. They were the ruling elites of those societies.
They were the degrados, or the lancados Portugese. Lancados literally means “outcasts” or “throw-aways.” They were cast off of the Portuguese society, ex-convicts, debtors, murderers and thieves. These were allowed to trade as long as they stayed within the applicable restrictions imposed by the Portugese Crown including restriction on the sale of firearms, iron bars, navigational equipment, cloth currency known as Panos, and slaves which were the King’s monopoly.
Then there were the Iberian Jewish Moors – the Ladinos who had been disposessed of all they had and exiled or enslaved on the Islands of West Africa. Many of the Jews had fled the persecutions of the Portugese inquisition which ranged between 1496 and 1510, then had ramped up in 1536. Many came looking for their children who had been stolen by the authorities and enslaved along the coast of West Africa.
Muslim Moors who spoke Arabic were widespread in the area especially in Upper Guinea area. They were known as “Targomas” (a word that means “interpreters”).
The word “Lanados” connotes “Africanized” Portugeses Moorish Jews. Those had abondoned the Portugese outposts and had gone completely native. They lived together with the African communities of the interior, as Africans, intermarrying and interworshiping with them; having very little recollection of their Portugese connections. The synthesis that occurred between the lanados and the local Africans of the coast created the nuclues of the Creole culture, a vibrant cultural expression which defines modern West Africa, especially the coastal states.
Thus, as early as the later 15th century and through the 16th to the 17th centuries, a Jewish coastal presence was deeply established on the coast of West Africa. (See above). Jean Boulegue reports that in 1517, King Manuel I made reference to a group of deported Jews (lanadoes) on the coast of Senegambia.
In the early 1600s, lanados had established trade stations along the entire Senegambia coast encompassing such areas as Goree, Joal, Ziguinchor in Casamance, Cacheu, Bissau, Bolama.
Ladinos were living as migrants and trading in the kingdom of Benin (in today’s Nigeria), they were in Lagos, Forcados and Fernanda Po, as well. Benin oral traditions still recall the visit of Pierto de Nino a Moorish Jewish sailor who took Chritopher Columbus on his first trip to the Americas. Other Moorish Jews had made their way into the Ondo region where they still live today as the Beni Emphraim.
In 1622 the Cape Verdan Governor, Dom Francisco reported to the Portugese king that the coast of Guinea (..and Biafra) “was full of Jews who were masters of the local regions and were quite independent of the Crown (Portugal).”
MOORISH JEWISH REFUGEES AND THE CREOLE CULTURE OF WEST AFRICA…
The coastal areas of West Africa have this dominant culture which is known as creole culture. Creole culture is best exemplified in the beautiful musical expression of hi-life music a brand of music which combines jazz, with afro-latin fusion to create a pulsuating and vibrant intoxicating musical beat.
Creole culture is also obvious in the foods eaten across West Africa notable of which is the famous Spanish rice (Jollof rice) which is prepared and eated Iberian style right across the entire region. Jollof rice is very popular in Nigeria. It is viewed as indigenous Nigerian cusine but its ingredients and style of cooking is exactly the same as obtains in Spain.
Creole culture is the hypnotic rythymic drawl of sweet West African creole patios either in English (the Nigerian pidgin English) or the French. It is a combination of various European and African languages which created new dialects or sub-language groups that are still spoken and understood by virtually all the descendants of the Africans and the Moorish Jews that live in the cities of modern Africa.
The traditional African coastal city architectural style which combines the old Iberian Moorish pattern of building and 15th African motifs and notions are products of the creole culture. This architectural style is called the “Brazilian style” in memory of the Black Moorish builders of some of those early homes. Many came directly from Portugal and later moved to Brazil, many returned from Brazil to the coasts of West Africa.
THE INQUISITION
The “Jewish danger” as it was described in Portugal was considered so seriously that the dreaded inquisition made a landfall in Africa, in Cape Verde in 1672. This establishment of this notorious instuition was followed as usual by excesses and outrages committed in the name of religious chauvinism.
Jewish property was wantonly siezed from them. They were jailed and repressed for the lest suspected misdemeanour. They were enslave for any imagined infraction and sent to one penal slave Island or the other, anywhere from Africa to the South American Brazil.
In light of this renewal of persecution, many Moorish Jews who were already “natives” by all imaginable standards, melted away into the deeper recesses of the interior where they knew the Portugese would not dare come.
MOORISH JEWISH FAMILY LINEAGES TRACEABLE TODAY IN CAPE OF GUINEA AND BIAFRA
This article has argued that the Moorish Jews who took refuge in West africa went “native” due to the similarity of culture and the sameness of the physical structure. There were no racial hang-ups. It has been shown how many lanados and ladinos simply took wives from local communities and became one with them.
Combined with the later pressures and depredations of the Portugese inquisition which sought to uproot the Jewish competition, as well as pressures from the upstream Muslim communities to convert, the influence of the Moorish Jews may not be as pronounced as it once was on the coast of West Africa. But it yet remains, easily discernable to any modern day inquirer.
In Cabo Verde, the presence of Moorish Jews can still be traced in their earliest settlments in Sao Tiago which they fled to as degraded and dis-enfranchised refugees returning home to the bosom of the the continent of Africa.
Jewish historical presence remains on Santo Antao, traceable in the name of a little village of that domain, Sinagogs. There is a dated Jewish cemetary at the town of Ponta da Sol.Other Jewish cemetaries can be found in Brava (Cova da Judeu), Boa Vista (in Praia and Cidade Velha) in Sinagoga, Fogo, and other places.
Many Moorish Jewish families can still be traced by their surnames in Boa Vista, Cabo Verde such as Auday, Benros, Ben David, DaGama, Seruya, Salomao Ben Oliel. According to Ricahrd Lobban, supra, “the family names of Cohn (priest) and Wahnon are prominent in Santo Antao.”
In Nigeria, in Lagos, Badagry, Warri, one finds names such as Cardoso, Gomez, DAcosta, and Gonsalis as the remenants of the Moorish Jewish families who retained their Portugese or Spanish names up to the present times. They are mistaken called “the Brazilian” returnees by those who do not know any better.
Tribal Jews
Those that returned to the African tribes simple adopted their new identities and commenced a life of relative peace and security. They intermarried and interworshipped with the nations that adopted them.
Yet, some of those Moorish Jews retained enough of their cultural traits, names, books or oral traditions that provide indications of their origins.
For example, it has been reported that “The Bnai Ephraim (“Children of Ephraim”) from Nigeria, live among the Yoruba tribe. Their oral history tells that the Bnai Ephraim people came from Morocco after the Jews were banished from Spain sometime after 1492.”
“They speak a creole language that is a mixture of Moroccan Arabic, Yoruba, and Aramaic. They are known by the Yoruba tribe as the Emo Yo Quaim, or “strange people”. This community has solid proof of its historical origins because unlike other African Israelite communities in Nigeria, they have portions of the Torah which they keep in their sanctuaries.”
Some segments of the Efik ethnicity of Nigeria (related to the Igbos and Ibibios) and the Ishan ethnicity as well do claim descent from some Jewish migration that might have probably occurred in the 15th century.
Other segments of the Igbos of Nigeria have a particularly well documented and increasingly validated claim of descent from some Moorish Jews. Ladino names like Ben-de, Elili, Aro, Edda, Nssuka, Abo, Dey, Oliel, etc are still found in Igbo language bearing the same meaning as in old Ladino. See Iroabuchi@ http://igbohebrewdialectic.wordpress.com/ Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: In the middle ages, Albinos were called Bleacs because they were pale. See old and middle English.
Muurs were whites, not in colour of skin but in nobility and deed. It was so stated in the Black's Dictionary of Law, 18th Edition.
The barbarians turned the world and the word upside down.
Read:
Etymology of Blacks
Meaning of Bleac
Middle English blechen, from Old English blǣcean; akin to Old English blāc pale; probably akin to Latin flagrare to burn — more at black
First Known Use: before 12th century
bones bleached white by the sun She bleached her hair blonde.
"Some segments of the Efik ethnicity of Nigeria (related to the Igbos and Ibibios) and the Ishan ethnicity as well do claim descent from some Jewish migration that might have probably occurred in the 15th century."
I wonder if they could be related to the Lemba in II,III, and IV? They do originate in biblical lands...
GD 'N' GB???
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Unscientific garbage. Bowing to revisionism which cannot handle black superiority. blacks who need approval of whites.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Creole culture is also obvious in the foods eaten across West Africa notable of which is the famous Spanish rice (Jollof rice) which is prepared and eated Iberian style right across the entire region. Jollof rice is very popular in Nigeria. It is viewed as indigenous Nigerian cusine but its ingredients and style of cooking is exactly the same as obtains in Spain.
Other segments of the Igbos of Nigeria have a particularly well documented and increasingly validated claim of descent from some Moorish Jews. Ladino names like Ben-de, Elili, Aro, Edda, Nssuka, Abo, Dey, Oliel, etc are still found in Igbo language bearing the same meaning as in old Ladino. See Iroabuchi@ http://igbohebrewdialectic.wordpress.com/
Nice article.
Here is a sidekick on the history of rice agriculture in Africa.
Phylogeny of rice genomes with emphasis on origins of allotetraploid species
Song Ge et al.
The African cultivated species, Oryza glaberrima, is most closely related to two African wild species, Oryza barthii and Oryza longistaminata, and also to Oryza glumaepatula, which occurs in Central and South America.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Unscientific garbage. Bowing to revisionism which cannot handle black superiority. blacks who need approval of whites.
Epic changing revelations are often met by mere mortals with disbelief, then antagonism, then finally gradual acceptance.
The Muurs taught science to the Europeans and your Dutch masters who taught named you so-called negro or black.
We laid down the scientific method, brought back the libraries, and gave the books of sciences and metaphysics to your Dutch masters who named you negro or black.
When you get over your astonishment at the revelations herein contained, you would have progress a little bit further.
There is yet hope for you.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
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Muurish science recognizes Muurs. The Muurs are the nobility and the original whites. White refers to social status.
Marc learn the teachings
The Cagot lioness
Now can we talk a lil bit about your Cagotic Ashkenazi family who now claim to be the gods of this world.
Tell us a bit about your Cagot history, and how you invaded Europe and took over the land of the Muurs.
France is the land of the Muurs? How did these Cagots manage to take over the original white Muurs?
Paris, Parisi, Par Isis
The house that Isis built.
That is why Notre Dame is a special place. That used to be the shrine of Isis.
quote: The Hours of Étienne Chevalier is one of the most famous and lavishly illuminated manuscripts of the fifteenth century. It was painted for the treasurer of France by Jean Fouquet, court artist to kings Charles VII and Louis XI, who worked not only as a miniaturist but also as a panel painter and scenery designer. The Lehman miniature decorates the page that contains the opening words of the evening prayer (vespers) for the Hours of the Holy Spirit.
It shows the [Moorish French] faithful standing in the foreground on a terrace, looking up at the hand of God, as demons flee to the left and right. The subject is highly unusual, as is the topographically accurate depiction of medieval Paris, in which the Cathedral of Notre-Dame, the spire of Saint-Chapelle, the Pont Saint-Michel, and other monuments of the Île de la Cité (including the Hôtel de Nesle, where the figures stand) are immediately recognizable.
This is how your albinos cagots took over the land from the Muurs:
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Bronze statue of Augustus 
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