The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 20-21, w/notes 41-44 p.311 Dr. Charles S. Finch M.D. Yale undergrad Jefferson Medical College medical training University of California, Irvine Medical Center family medicine residency Center for Disease Control epidemiologist
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Jah bless and guide thee, Al Takrur!
Lion!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^They are Slooowly moving in the right direction, but they're not there yet.
But when the Europeans finally admit that they are Albinos: I will insist that our old partner narmermenes aka melaninking, receive some kind of prize for his great research.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
Ohhh look yet more racist crap from yet another white people hating black racist black supremacist got my PHd from the University of Wal-Mart get whitey Afro-centric black.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
I don't endorse the theory but I will defend Dr. Finch by stating he has a Undergraduate Degree in history from Yale. Some of his sources are questionable though such as his citations of the Journal of Eugenics.
He also has a medical degree from Morehouse and pratices medicine in the city of Atlanta.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
If you don't know what you're talking about then you should shut the phuck up, listen, and learn.
Give evidence of any sources' questionable status. If you can't then shut the phuck up and quit hating.
A tired cliche "talk is cheap" for a tired knee jerk reaction. Research is expensive. Do some and show where the cited sources are questionable; pages and quotations only will do.
The subject isn't history as much genetics hence the word of a board-certified physician much more relevant than a historian's word.
Dr. Finch was Asst Prof of Community Medicine and Family Practice at Morehouse School of Med and then its Director of International Health.
His correct medical vitals are in the parent post.
Just as the benign side of sickle cell anemia was advantageous for blacks of the African and Arabian/Indian tropics ...
... so the non-deleterious aspects of tyr+ albinism was a plus for sub-arctic soon to be whites of Europe.
There is nothing hateful about having the protection of sickle cell trait. Neither is there a thing hateful in recognizing the physical attributes of tyr+ albinism.
While I wouldn't take his word for things historical I respect his medical degrees and background and his opinion on albinoids whether European albinoids or African ones. Open invitation to any and all to pick any paragraph in context and falsify its contents. Since science is involved, falsifiability is built into the hypothesis. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Doxie - Just because we seek truth, doesn't mean that we hate Albinos.
Hasn't it ever occurred to you, to wonder why, after all the atrocities that you have visited upon Blacks: Genocide and expulsion from Europe, genocide in the Americas, occupation and genocide in Africa. Yet after all of that, all Blacks want from you is to be left alone.
Contrast that with Albinos - even today, you seek confrontation, and at every turn, will seek to cause whatever damage you can to Blacks.
A perfect example of your lunatic obsession with Blacks is found in American "Tea-baggers". They are poor Albinos on SS and Medicare, yet they HATE the man who is trying to save those very same things for them. Why? He is a Black man.
Can't you see how sick you people are? My hope is that if you can somehow dispel your delusions about Albinohood, then perhaps you might also be able to face whatever delusions you have that causes such mindless hatred for Blacks.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
If this is directed at me alTakruri then I pointed out Dr. Finch's credentials. I was defending him from the poster above me. I just find the source Journal of Eugenic questionable because of its dissue in the scientific community. The reference dates to in the 50's when pusedo-science was in vogue.
This does not discount any of Dr. Finch's findings or writings for I have much respect for him. I have personally seen his lectures and meet him in person. He is one of the few people that do quality non-mainstream scholarship.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BTW - How is a DH Doxie different from a regular Doxie?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
What some wte folks say on the matter Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
How does one defend Finch by fudging his "CV"???
Why act as if Finch only cites that one source?
Also listed from notes 41-44 are: * South African Medical Journal * Papua New Guinea Medical Journal * American Journal of Anthropology * American Anthropologist * American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Unlisted sources from notes 38-40: * Journal of the National Medical Association * British Journal of Dermatology * Journal of Biosocial Science
Yet you introduce a supposed weak link to snap the chain. One source is questionable without examining its content because of its publisher's title? (A reverse appeal to authority fallacy.) Somehow that tarnishes eight other other sources and sinks the hypothesis?
I think not.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Nobody is trying to snap a weak link in a chain. I simply pointed out that he cited a Eugenics journal which dated to the 1950's. Eugenics is a discounted pusedo science.
You cannot call logical fallacies upon me because I am not debating or discrediting the hypothesis.
Yes, I am aware of Dr. Charles Finch's other sources and they are legitimate. I just found that one reference curious.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
What's curious about it? Have you read
NA Barnicot Red Hair in African Negroes a preliminary study Annals of Eugenics (1953) 53:311-332
Until you show pseudo-science in the cited reference it is just you employing a logical fallacy to detract.
Perhaps you'd prefer Finch to have cited Barnicot from the journal Man, published by the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland?
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
I agree just because somebody publishes in a questionable journal does not invalidate their research. However, I wonder how far genetics has advanced since the publication of NA Barnicot's articles.
The unfortunate fact about this whole debate is very few people on this board have a strong enough biological science background to disern fact from fiction. Plus the scientific community has turned a blind eye to address such issues unless it benefits them. Just look at Cavalli-Sforza's claim of there being no-races but his texts are sprinkled with outdated racial nomenclature such as negriod,caucasoid,etc.
I'm sorry if you say it as detraction. I just get concerned when I see the word Eugenics.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
The focus shouldn't be on one cited reference. Finch listed 8 other sources.
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Barnicot source. She published the same material on red haired Africans in Man.
The journal Annals of Eugenics is still published. Today it is titled the Annals of Human Genetics and was published by the Cambridge University Press until 2003 when Blackwell Publishing took it over.
There was never anything Hitlerian about the journal.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
During the 50's Eugenics was a mainstream science but has fallen out of favor in the scientific community.
Again I am not discounting the hypothesis. I made this quite clear and I will investigate it further when I get some time.
I will also read Finch's article to see how exactly he cites the article.
Consider my post more of an inquiry than an attempt to discredit by appealing to authority.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
What happens when cheap talk replaces research and even the simple task of attentive reading? The above type of illogical biased assessment.
Eugenics was from the 1920's until 1955 what is today called genetics. Genetics is more careful in its wording regarding human differences and usually avoids "the race problem" and its "solutions".
This thread got sidetracked to a topic deserving its own thread by someone who didn't even read the opening post which I now of necessity repost.
The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 20-21, w/notes 41-44 p.311 Dr. Charles S. Finch M.D. Yale undergrad Jefferson Medical College medical training University of California, Irvine Medical Center family medicine residency Center for Disease Control epidemiologist
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Open invitation to any and all to pick any paragraph in context and falsify its contents.
Dark skin is a recent mutation itself, so the article has no foundation whatsoever, it's Afrocentric pseudo-science.
The ancestral or original skin hue of all archaic hominids and the different racial stems (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid etc) during the Palaeolithic, was light brown.
Excessively dark skin as found in modern Negroids is a recent mutation, about 10k years old from West Africa. Indigenous Africans, such as the Capoid Bushmen are light brown, not dark like Negroids.
Evolutionary, biologic, and social aspects of skin color. Westerhof W. Dermatol Clin. 2007;25:293-302
A - Capoid B - Negroid C - Caucasoid
Note how the Caucasoid woman (C) is far closer to the skin complexion of the Bushman (Khoisan), than the Negroid. Indeed, many Caucasoids never depigmentated and are still a light brown colour, the original ancestral pigmentation.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
lol at this pseudo nonsense above, by this dumbarse!
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
PyramIdiot commands no respect because his reliances always contradict what he says they say, unless his source is as racialist as he is, eg., Coon, Baker, etc.
Now Westerhof is useless as regards history but is qualified as far as the genetics of dermatology goes. Read his article for his list of references if nothing else. His own text is midling with some above average and some below average passages (where he interjects sociology).
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ desperate retard.
If you bothered to read the article, instead of rushing to quote-mine, it shows dark skin is a recent mutation -
''...early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had light brown skin'' [p. 293]
''The early modern man who migrated to the open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) where UV radiation is the most intense developed a deep black skin'' [p. 294]
The author subscribes to the 'Out of Africa' theory, so he believes in a dispersion out of Africa by the Bushmen (proto-Capoids), who as he points out are light brown skinned, not dark or 'deep black' like Negroids.
Regardless of what evolution model however you subscribe to, dark skin is a recent mutation. Indigenous Africans were light brown.
And btw, talking of who doesn't look at their own data, your article states that Caucasoids evolved thin noses through cold (European) climate:
quote:the smaller nasal index (narrower nose) of the caucasoid
I've been saying this for years on this forum, yet have been called a 'white supremecist' for saying only Caucasoids have narrow noses. Yet now you quote an article that agrees, lol.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Your quotes say early modern man. My quote says the first modern man. Early is not first. First is first.
This thread is about albinoid origins for the white skins of Europeans but narrow noses in Europe and narrow noses in Africa and Arabia are obviously not due to the same cause.
Rather than falsify Finch it seems Westerhof confirms the fact of tyr+ albinoids not being completely colourless albinos but having skin eye and hair colours normally associated with European whites with what he says about OCA2 and OCA4 albinism genes.
My screen name is not desperate retard. You chose Pyramiologist. Academicians equate that to Pyramidiot. See the last half of this page http://pyramidiot.com/about.html
But anyway from use of nigger and the posting of link with dead black men that revolted even dyed in the wool black haters, a cracker like you can kiss my black ass and go to hell, quick.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
alTakruri a supporter of the concept of race and caucasians?
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 20-21, w/notes 41-44 p.311 Dr. Charles S. Finch M.D.
THE CHAPTER CONTINUES:
The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations[/i] November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 21-22 http://books.google.com/books?id=JMY1p0t_bHoC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=%22so+if+ African presence in early Europe By Ivan Van Sertima
The article coins a new term "the Vitamin D albinism theory"
It is a corruption of terminology. Frederick G. Murray and other anthropolgists do not have a "Vitamin D albinism theory."
It is called the
Vitamin D Hypothesis of Depigmentation.
The theory is that over thousands of years people's skin lost pigmentation in order to absorb Vitamin D more quickly. With some exceptions we can see a broader pattern of this in for example Khosian's lighter skin as opposed to equatorial Africans (of course not involving Aurignacians) This represents a gradual adaptation to environmental conditions.
Albinism is not an adaptation to environmental conditions. Most frequent in Africa it is birth defect, something that makes a person less suited to the the African envirionment. It does not occur gradually over thousands of years. It occurs suddenly where the child is born with little or no melanin and looks very different from their parents' skin, hair and eye color. It is also accompanied by eye problems another disadvantage.
So what appears to be a scientifically oriented article is dishonest in coining this term. It is simply an attempt to make pale skinned Europeans look like they are rooted in a maladaptive birth defect which accidentally worked out being advantageous in Northern latitudes.
The attempt to transform slow evolutionary adaptation into a birth defect by inserting the word "abinism" into the Vitamin D hypothesis is called racist spin and it also would include milions of East Asians, many of the Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
I'm just showing the albino relatedness of the skin, eye, and hair colour of European whites.
American and other whites accept and promote an identity of caucasian for themselves.
I have posted that this is factually inaccurate. I respect the right of self-determination for those whites who want to call themselves what they chose.
There is only one human race. There are more geographic varieties of humans than anyone can count. While some may fit contrived racial placement most do not. Race factors in temperment and intelligence along with phenotype. Temperment and/or intelligence could place one in a different race than their phenotype would suggest.
Again since a white male proposedhis kind sprang from endemic albinism then how is it racist or anti-white?
You must pay attention and use your intelligence to see that albinoid is not albino. Albinoids display the full range of European white people's light hair, light eye, and light skin values and both Finch and Westerhof say it coalesced in a limited geography under precise ecological pressures with little or no outside geneflow where those without the adaptive advantage died off. All this happening over 10-20 thousand years of evolution.
There is no hatred or involved or inferiority stated or implied thus no racism can be inferred.
The albinoid state just like the sickle cell trait is something that in their benign conditions were advantageous for what the populations were facing in their environments.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Nobody knows exactly how European white people came into existance. There are only hypotheses. Sustained congenital loss of colour whether spurred on by survival and reproduction of better vitamin D synthesizers and/or tyr+ albinoids (either/both occuring 20-30kya) and/or an SCL24A5 "sweep" (6kya).
Take your pick. They're all just somebody's best guess. If one is racist they all are racist as they all rely not on hatred or notions of superiority. They each and all rely on genetics.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Races aren't solely defined by their skin pigmentation or hair colour, and never have been. This thread is an epic fail.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
The article coins a new term "the Vitamin D albinism theory"
It is a corruption of terminology. Frederick G. Murray and other anthropolgists do not have a "Vitamin D albinism theory."
It is called the
Vitamin D Hypothesis of Depigmentation.
Ha,ha,ha:
Depigmentation means that you have no melanin - thus you are an Albino!
Squirm and slither all you want, the truth is inescapable.
Merriam-Webster dictionary.
Definition of ALBINO :an organism exhibiting deficient pigmentation; especially : a human being that is congenitally deficient in pigment and usually has a milky or translucent skin. (Translucent means: permitting the passage of light.)
So then you ARE an Albino, thus the question is "HOW" did you become an Albino.
The theory is that over thousands of years people's skin lost pigmentation in order to absorb Vitamin D more quickly.
For the sake of argument, let us follow that logic. Europe and Central Asia are at the same latitude, Why would the Blacks in Central Asia need that adaption and NOT those in Europe?
Oh yes, you forgot to include that part: the theory stated that this happened in Europe. But as we know - that is "IMPOSSIBLE" as there is no trace of So-called "Caucasians" in Europe until the current era.
Question: Are there no Summers in Central Asia?
. As we see from the UV chart, Central Asia has 4 months of moderate Sunshine.
And as we see from Ashley H. Robins study of 2009 debunking the Vitamin D nonsense; Blacks readily absorb vitamin D, and have numerous methods of "STORING" vitamin D. Therefore there is no functional need for Blacks to do "ANYTHING" in even REAL low Sunlight environments - which Central Asia and Europe are NOT!
(As an aside in demonstrating the nonsense of Albinos: I was once told by an Albino, in the most serious way, that because Black skin ABSORBED Sunlight, and White skin REFLECTED Sunlight, White skinned people have a greater tolerance for the Sun.
Judging by the number of Albinos on the worlds beaches - He,he,he, many of them actually BELIEVE that.)
ADDITIONALLY!
Mongolia is a land locked country, at the same latitude, with few, if any, sources of Vitamin D rich foods.
Yet we can see that Blacks there, like those in Europe: NEVER changed!
The attempt to transform slow evolutionary adaptation into a birth defect by inserting the word "abinism" into the Vitamin D hypothesis is called racist spin and it also would include milions of East Asians, many of the Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc.
He,he,he:
Well Ya!
See next. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^That's actually 8 months of moderate to strong Sunshine, and 4 months of moderate UV exposure.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
As to the Mongol Asians:
Just like Blacks with so-called "Caucasian" features can produce Albinos.
So too can Blacks with "Mongol" type features produce Albinos.
Thus in ancient China (up until recent times) you had probably equal elements of both skin coloration's.
Qin Dynasty - circa 200 B.C.
Exactly WHEN China became "Predominately" Mulatto is of course unknown.
But as we can infer from this Painting of Kublai Khan on a hunting expedition circa 1280 AD. We can clearly see that by that time, racial "Blending" was well on its way.
Note that Kublai Khan's wife is the "Only" Albino. Note too, that of the nine men, only two are Blacks.
The others, including Kublai Khan, are "Brown" skinned Mulattoes.
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It may surprise some to know that in modern China, there are still Blacks; and Whites, who are very close to the original Mongol Albinos.
But nothing demonstrates China's "Racial Blending" better than this photo of an old Black soldier and his granddaughter.
Obvious his child married a very "Pale" Mongol - one of the "almost" Albino types; thus producing a granddaughter who is typical of most Chinese.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
WebArticle from the New york Department of Health.
Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin that is stored in your body fat. In general, adults and children living in New York State can get enough casual sun exposure from March to October to store a significant amount of vitamin D. It will later be released for the body's use during the winter months.
New York is at the SAME latitude as most of Central Asia. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lies Albinos tell themselves, and Black people, about Black people, to convince themselves that White skin has a function, and that they are not therefore Albinos.
Quote: As you probably know, darkly pigmented skin isn't efficient at inducing the synthesis of vitamin D. This isn't a problem in Africa where there's plenty of sun, but it often translates into vitamin D deficiency in areas of the world where sunshine is more limited. Fortunately, if you get enough sun exposure in the summer, your body will make and store enough D to get you through the winter. This doesn't work as well if you're obese because body fat holds onto vitamin D tenaciously and doesn't release it efficiently,says Michael Holick, Ph.D., M.D., an expert at Boston University.
Effect of ultraviolet adaptation on the ultraviolet absorption spectra of human skin in vivo.
RESULTS:
UV adaptation shows as an increase in absorption coefficients over the entire measured UV range and especially in short-range UVB. Subject groups with high vs. low UV exposure can be discriminated by analyzing the difference absorption spectra between dorsal and volar aspects of the forearm. No dependence on the subject's phototype (Skin Color) was seen in the degree of adaptation. CONCLUSION:
The difference between native and facultative pigmentation may be explained by the absorption properties of the two prime chromophores responsible for adaptation to higher UV exposure: melanin and keratin. Stronger pigmentation, i.e. a higher melanin concentration, is found as an increase of absorption coefficients (Multiplication factors) over the entire UVA-II/UVB range. The thickening of the horny layer and accordingly, a higher influence of keratin on the absorption spectra is prominent especially in the UVB region.
{I think that means that Black skin absorbs UV "FASTER"!}
The reason why Blacks are NOT injured by this rapid UV absorbancy, is because with the ability to produce melanin, also comes the ability to quickly REPAIR skin cell damage. The two work hand-in-hand.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: BTW - How is a DH Doxie different from a regular Doxie?
Do you even know what a Doxie is Mikey boy white people hating black racist black supremacist?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
^Forget the bullsh1t, you're not really fooling anybody.
But it's a good question, with a complicated answer that has more to do with Blacks, especially those in Europe, not taking lowly Albino seriously.
But a better question: How did Black skin, enable us to rule for over 40,000 years?
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: BTW - How is a DH Doxie different from a regular Doxie?
Do you even know what a Doxie is Mikey boy white people hating black racist black supremacist?
Mike I appologize I was out of line calling you that in this case. Do you know what a Doxie is? I want to make sure before I answer your question.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
^Forget the bullsh1t, you're not really fooling anybody.
But it's a good question, with a complicated answer that has more to do with Blacks, especially those in Europe, not taking lowly Albino seriously.
But a better question: How did Black skin, enable us to rule for over 40,000 years?
Albino Grimaldi
.
what happened is that the Grimaldis in Europe lost pigment and gradually became white people. Similarly the Central East Africans went down into Southern African and became lighter skin Khosians. Then light skinned Central Asian white skinned people met up with the white Grimaldi mixed with them and the rest was His-Story.
Mike, something I'm confused about in your theories (perhaps you are confused as well) >Are white people Albino Dravidians? or Central Asian Albinos? Most Dravidians are located in South Asia, Southern India not Central Asia. Anyway the prehistoric Europeans were already albinoized before the Central Asian (Dravidian?) migrants came in to meet up with their brothers for a white power rally. That's how they pulled it off, they were already albino.
There is also an ancient biological technique that whites have always kept secret from blacks. It's a way of altering black people to produce albinos, has to do with certain herbs and roots
what do you think of my new outfit?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
DHDoxies - Well, either you occupy yourself with hounds, or you are a girl who a man might describe as having agreeable habits.
Ah, as I write it, I see it.
DH = Dash-Hounds, silly me.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: DHDoxies - Well, either you occupy yourself with hounds, or you are a girl who a man might describe as having agreeable habits.
Ah, as I write it, I see it.
DH = Dash-Hounds, silly me.
Just a person who when I have wronged someone in an instance I admit my wrong and apologize for that wrong, its just how I was raised.
Doxie= Dachshund (pronounced Dox hund) DH= my soon to be kennel name its short for Dragonheart. The difference between my dachshunds & "regular" dachshunds is that my dachshunds will be from AKC registered, health tested, champion parents and therefore will be quality doxies.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
Mike, something I'm confused about in your theories (perhaps you are confused as well) are white people Albino Dravidians or Central Asian Albinos? Most Dravidians are located in South Asia, Southern India not Central Asia. Anyway the prehistoric Europeans were already albinoized before the Central Asian (Dravidian?) migrants came in to meet up with their brothers for a white power rally. That's how they pulled it off, they were already albino.
There is also an ancient biological technique that whites have always kept secret from blacks. It's a way of altering black people to produce albinos, has to do with certain herbs and roots
Lioness - I see that the previous posts have put you in nonsense mode. But I will answer anyway because I want to make a point.
Over the years, there were many comments as to why I don't read the books of past Black pioneers in the field.
The quotes from Diop is the reason why. Though they were brilliant ground-breaking researchers, they simply didn't have enough information - so like everyone else - they guessed.
As you know, I rarely guess. Rather, I simply string known data together, where it ends up is usually the truth.
I also see that as usual, when you are cornered, you start to falsify.
There is no ambiguity as to the starting point of the Dravidian Albinos or their movements.
They left Africa and entered India with the other migrants. Later they crossed the Hindu kush range and entered the plains of Central Asia.
At about 1500 B.C. they returned to India as the invading Arians. Later still, at the turn of the modern era, the Huns chased the ancestors of modern Europeans from Central Asia into Europe.
Later still (circa) 600 A.D. The Mongol tribes chased the last remaining Dravidian Albinos in Asia (the Turks), out of Asia, and into Asia minor.
That's it, it's well documented by even Albinos, I see no reason for confusion.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
"our"?lol
By THE bible and THE gun!
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
^Forget the bullsh1t, you're not really fooling anybody.
But it's a good question, with a complicated answer that has more to do with Blacks, especially those in Europe, not taking lowly Albino seriously.
But a better question: How did Black skin, enable us to rule for over 40,000 years?
That's deep! I am afraid your question will remain unanswered.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Races aren't solely defined by their skin pigmentation or hair colour, and never have been. This thread is an epic fail.
There is not such thing as races, so your claim is a epic fail to begin with.
If you claim so, start explaining your races of Europe? Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
what do you think of my new outfit?
If that's who I think it is: I would describe it as "Inappropriate".
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ desperate retard.
If you bothered to read the article, instead of rushing to quote-mine, it shows dark skin is a recent mutation -
''...early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had light brown skin'' [p. 293]
''The early modern man who migrated to the open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) where UV radiation is the most intense developed a deep black skin'' [p. 294]
The author subscribes to the 'Out of Africa' theory, so he believes in a dispersion out of Africa by the Bushmen (proto-Capoids), who as he points out are light brown skinned, not dark or 'deep black' like Negroids.
Regardless of what evolution model however you subscribe to, dark skin is a recent mutation. Indigenous Africans were light brown.
And btw, talking of who doesn't look at their own data, your article states that Caucasoids evolved thin noses through cold (European) climate:
quote:the smaller nasal index (narrower nose) of the caucasoid
I've been saying this for years on this forum, yet have been called a 'white supremecist' for saying only Caucasoids have narrow noses. Yet now you quote an article that agrees, lol.
Caucasoids did, but black people with long narrow noses are thought to have developed it through hot, arid and dry heat, not cold weather.
Sorry to bust your bubble. Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: As to the Mongol Asians:
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I wonder if this guy is from one of those original Hunnic peoples called the black Huns or Sabir Huns called also Sabirskaya from whose name came Siberia. Attila's and his Hun Ughur people according to Jordanes were short thick set black people with small eyes. The original Tatars and Huns according to documents were black or near black and squat people with small eyes. Or are they the Kara Khitai or all three.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
what do you think of my new outfit?
If that's who I think it is: I would describe it as "Inappropriate".
Yes, a little too hot to trot! What was she thinking? !
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] As to the Mongol Asians:
Just like Blacks with so-called "Caucasian" features can produce Albinos.
So too can Blacks with "Mongol" type features produce Albinos.
NOT WHITE, just an Albino Asian with typical Asian features. Heck this girl way lighter than ME.
It may surprise some to know that in modern China, there are still Blacks; and Whites, who are very close to the original Mongol Albinos.
NOT White would never be accepted as White, is Asian or Mongoloid with typical Japanese features. Why must you White people haters claim every dark skinned person is Black & every light skinned person is White, when that is not the case? That is a serious question btw.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ desperate retard.
If you bothered to read the article, instead of rushing to quote-mine, it shows dark skin is a recent mutation -
''...early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had light brown skin'' [p. 293]
''The early modern man who migrated to the open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) where UV radiation is the most intense developed a deep black skin'' [p. 294]
The author subscribes to the 'Out of Africa' theory, so he believes in a dispersion out of Africa by the Bushmen (proto-Capoids), who as he points out are light brown skinned, not dark or 'deep black' like Negroids.
Regardless of what evolution model however you subscribe to, dark skin is a recent mutation. Indigenous Africans were light brown.
And btw, talking of who doesn't look at their own data, your article states that Caucasoids evolved thin noses through cold (European) climate:
quote:the smaller nasal index (narrower nose) of the caucasoid
I've been saying this for years on this forum, yet have been called a 'white supremecist' for saying only Caucasoids have narrow noses. Yet now you quote an article that agrees, lol.
The two lines you've cited, start with suggested and likely. (this why you left it out).
The modern man who originally came from Africa ousted all hominids and all archaic prede- cessors of Homo sapiens in every continent as de- termined from excavations at different places in the world.
It is quite likely that early modern man inherited its features from the early hominids from the southern part of Africa.
It is assumed that early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had a light brown skin (Fig. 2A).
Consequently, it is suggested that the skin ...
At the end of this/ his thesis, it boils down to.
The first modern man had black skin and black curly hair. He was the first to populate Africa and Asia.
And of course, like other Africans San people are barely hairy, on the overall body. Oldest of humankind arose at Omo Kibish. Not at South Africa a relatively colder environment, to where San people eventually moved.
In your following citation. The author speaks of open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) ?
I wonder what the Omo Kibish is, where mankind originally arose and archaic people can be found? So his theory becomes somewhat problematic, here!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
You must pay attention and use your intelligence to see that albinoid is not albino.
"aibinoid" is a made up word that doesn't appear in Websters or Oxford distionary. It's an attempt to extract the "oid" suffix from Negroid, or Caucasoid or Mongolid and racialize "albino" This thread is a bone thrown to a cockeyed dog named Mike
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ desperate retard.
If you bothered to read the article, instead of rushing to quote-mine, it shows dark skin is a recent mutation -
''...early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had light brown skin'' [p. 293]
''The early modern man who migrated to the open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) where UV radiation is the most intense developed a deep black skin'' [p. 294]
The author subscribes to the 'Out of Africa' theory, so he believes in a dispersion out of Africa by the Bushmen (proto-Capoids), who as he points out are light brown skinned, not dark or 'deep black' like Negroids.
Regardless of what evolution model however you subscribe to, dark skin is a recent mutation. Indigenous Africans were light brown.
And btw, talking of who doesn't look at their own data, your article states that Caucasoids evolved thin noses through cold (European) climate:
quote:the smaller nasal index (narrower nose) of the caucasoid
I've been saying this for years on this forum, yet have been called a 'white supremecist' for saying only Caucasoids have narrow noses. Yet now you quote an article that agrees, lol.
Caucasoids did, but black people with long narrow noses are thought to have developed it through hot, arid and dry heat, not cold weather.
Sorry to bust your bubble.
Negroids don't have thin noses. The only places in Africa you will find narrow noses and smaller nasal indexes are where Caucasoids settled.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Races aren't solely defined by their skin pigmentation or hair colour, and never have been. This thread is an epic fail.
There is not such thing as races, so your claim is a epic fail to begin with.
If you claim so, start explaining your races of Europe?
Coon and Ripley's 'Races of Europe' as they clarify are Caucasoid (white) subraces, which are distinguished locally and typologically into these smaller divisions on the basis of a few phenotype characteristics.
There are different subraces of Europe, this is common anthropological knowledge. Each European country is distinct because its population is made up of different subracial types.
The most diversity is in the Caucasoid race, its why it has the most subraces. Negroids in contrast have very few subraces, because they all look the same: wooly haired, prognathic, wide nosed.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ desperate retard.
If you bothered to read the article, instead of rushing to quote-mine, it shows dark skin is a recent mutation -
''...early modern man (like their present day descendants such as the San People and Khoisan) in the forested shelters of southern Africa initially had light brown skin'' [p. 293]
''The early modern man who migrated to the open plans of equatorial Africa (Niger, Sudan) where UV radiation is the most intense developed a deep black skin'' [p. 294]
The author subscribes to the 'Out of Africa' theory, so he believes in a dispersion out of Africa by the Bushmen (proto-Capoids), who as he points out are light brown skinned, not dark or 'deep black' like Negroids.
Regardless of what evolution model however you subscribe to, dark skin is a recent mutation. Indigenous Africans were light brown.
And btw, talking of who doesn't look at their own data, your article states that Caucasoids evolved thin noses through cold (European) climate:
quote:the smaller nasal index (narrower nose) of the caucasoid
I've been saying this for years on this forum, yet have been called a 'white supremecist' for saying only Caucasoids have narrow noses. Yet now you quote an article that agrees, lol.
Caucasoids did, but black people with long narrow noses are thought to have developed it through hot, arid and dry heat, not cold weather.
Sorry to bust your bubble.
Negroids don't have thin noses. The only places in Africa you will find narrow noses and smaller nasal indexes are where Caucasoids settled.
A few things here, from where did your precious caucasiod come, to go and settle everywhere?
And when exactly did this happen?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Races aren't solely defined by their skin pigmentation or hair colour, and never have been. This thread is an epic fail.
There is not such thing as races, so your claim is a epic fail to begin with.
If you claim so, start explaining your races of Europe?
Coon and Ripley's 'Races of Europe' as they clarify are Caucasoid (white) subraces, which are distinguished locally and typologically into these smaller divisions on the basis of a few phenotype characteristics.
There are different subraces of Europe, this is common anthropological knowledge. Each European country is distinct because its population is made up of different subracial types.
The most diversity is in the Caucasoid race, its why it has the most subraces. Negroids in contrast have very few subraces, because they all look the same: wooly haired, prognathic, wide nosed.
The title of that book says "the races of Europe" not the sub races of Europe.
So how is it, they are different "sub-racially"?
On what is this based, what caused these "races of Europe" to become distinct from one another?
Btw, I am not speaking of "negriod" or what ever. Let's focus on Europe and its races...without the distractions...
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [qb] but Mike how did this albinism enable whites to conquer the world and enslave our people for over 400 years?
But it's a good question, with a complicated answer that has more to do with Blacks, especially those in Europe, not taking lowly Albino seriously.
It's like if you have a pet chimp and if you don't watch the chimp before you know it he's making love to your wife and driving your car
you've always got to watch
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
You must pay attention and use your intelligence to see that albinoid is not albino.
"aibinoid" is a made up word that doesn't appear in Websters or Oxford distionary. It's an attempt to extract the "oid" suffix from Negroid, or Caucasoid or Mongolid and racialize "albino" This thread is a bone thrown to a cockeyed dog named Mike
All words are made up, eventually.
With or without the suffix.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The title of that book says "the races of Europe" not the sub races of Europe.
They are races, but they fall within the Caucasoid division, making them subraces or local typological variations. This is clarified in the introduction of the book. The term race has numerous meanings, it can refer to local populations for example Winston Churchill wrote a lengthy book on the 'British race', but the races of Europe are all Caucasoid subracial variations.
quote:So how is it, they are different "sub-racially"?
On what is this based, what caused these "races of Europe" to become distinct from one another?
Through localised environmental adaptations. Armenoids for example have a planoccipital head and large convex nose, through an adaptation process called dinaricization. Nordids (Nordics) in contrast went through a process of depigmentation, a reduction of melanin, which is why they have blonde hair, white skin and blue eyes.
Every single population is physically different, its why its silly to deny races exist. All races and subraces are: distinct populations defined by their heritable phenotypic traits. You see them wherever you go.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Phenotype is the old way of looking at things. Genotype is deeper
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The title of that book says "the races of Europe" not the sub races of Europe.
They are races, but they fall within the Caucasoid division, making them subraces or local typological variations. This is clarified in the introduction of the book. The term race has numerous meanings, it can refer to local populations for example Winston Churchill wrote a lengthy book on the 'British race', but the races of Europe are all Caucasoid subracial variations.
quote:So how is it, they are different "sub-racially"?
On what is this based, what caused these "races of Europe" to become distinct from one another?
Through localised environmental adaptations. Armenoids for example have a planoccipital head and large convex nose, through an adaptation process called dinaricization. Nordids (Nordics) in contrast went through a process of depigmentation, a reduction of melanin, which is why they have blonde hair, white skin and blue eyes.
Every single population is physically different, its why its silly to deny races exist. All races and subraces are: distinct populations defined by their heritable phenotypic traits. You see them wherever you go.
1) you're telling me they are the same race....yet are different / division/ dinaricization? They now for some odd reason fall into a category called "the same"? Yet are of a different categorization in the first place?
2) you're giving me traits, which one group has and the other doesn't? Including the pigmentation and depigmentation.
So what let to this differentiation amongst these groups. Other than: "Through localised environmental adaptations"?
When did this happen...and from where do your precious caucasian come, where did they originate? What is their history...from where they originate?
Every single population is physically different. Based on: local typological variations!?
But what is so variable about the typological landscape, you didn't summarize?
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Phenotype is the old way of looking at things. Genotype is deeper
The key to this is:
"Through localised environmental adaptations"
"Local typological variations"
"Dinaricization"... is it actually a word?
Ironically these processes only took place amongst Europeans.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
TP this is the same idiot that claimed one thing in one thread then not more that a day or so later claimed the opposite.. Anglo_Pyramidiot quote: Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006551 Then still chatting out of his ass turn around and states the following quote: Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006598 Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^The problem with lies, is that it is very hard to keep track of them.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: TP this is the same idiot that claimed one thing in one thread then not more that a day or so later claimed the opposite.. Anglo_Pyramidiot quote: Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006551 Then still chatting out of his ass turn around and states the following quote: Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006598
I know...I know...this is why it's so funny...
The keyword now is: dinaricization (process) to explain the "differences". A theory invented somewhere in the late-1930'. This was taken from William Z. Ripley 1899, who was an economist.
Coon rewrote the work of Ripley and dedicated it to him, for some odd reason. And it was published in 1939. A time when America was segregated under brown vs the board and the Jim crow law.
1). The Caucasoid race is of dual origin consisting of Upper Paleolithic (mixture of sapiens and neanderthals) types and Mediterranean (purely sapiens) types.
2). The Upper Paleolithic peoples are the truly indigenous peoples of Europe.
3). Mediterraneans invaded Europe in large numbers during the Neolithic and settled there.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^The problem with lies, is that it is very hard to keep track of them.
This makes it even more interesting. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: This thread is a bone thrown to a cockeyed dog named Mike
That is very hurtful Lioness.
I'm going to tell the omnipotent one in the cyber clouds.
ausar, ausar, Lioness is picking on me, she's calling me names!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: TP this is the same idiot that claimed one thing in one thread then not more that a day or so later claimed the opposite.. Anglo_Pyramidiot quote: Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006551 Then still chatting out of his ass turn around and states the following quote: Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006598
Not my problem you are just too dumb to understand.
Races can have an overlap or similar features by convergent evolution, but these traits are usually limited and races are still distinct by their obvious marked differences.
Some Mongoloids have prognathism, but they look nothing like Negroids. The same way both Mongoloids and Capoids have epicanthic folds, yet they look nothing a like because of other marked differences, they just share a singular trait by convergence.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: TP this is the same idiot that claimed one thing in one thread then not more that a day or so later claimed the opposite.. Anglo_Pyramidiot quote: Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006551 Then still chatting out of his ass turn around and states the following quote: Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=006598
Not my problem you are just too dumb to understand.
Races can have an overlap or similar features by convergent evolution, but these traits are usually limited and races are still distinct by their obvious marked differences.
Some Mongoloids have prognathism, but they look nothing like Negroids. The same way both Mongoloids and Capoids have epicanthic folds, yet they look nothing a like because of other marked differences, they just share a singular trait by convergence.
lol you do realize, you've just debunked yourself. Do you?
Now, what causes this convergent evolution to be limited at some regions and at other regions not? Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
quote:lol you do realize, you've just debunked yourself. Do you? [Big Grin]
Maybe the the Anglo-Pict cretin doesn't see it.
If you argue for phenotypical convergence on the one hand for geographically diaparate populations then you have to apply that principle consistently.
But this weak-minded intellectual amateur argues that phenotypical metrics such as ~70-75 leptorrhine indices--the man is absolutely obsessed with noses. Freud where are you when we need you?--as is found in lesser or geater incidences all over Africa derive from some nebulous "caucasoid" admixtures. And parenthetically what about those East Asians that have lower leptorrhine indices. Mixed with caucasoids? LOL.
The man is a joker and is just a lot of fun to play with.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: 1) you're telling me they are the same race....yet are different / division/ dinaricization? They now for some odd reason fall into a category called "the same"? Yet are of a different categorization in the first place?
Why is basic racial typology hard for you to understand? There are the major racial divisions (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid), and then you have subraces or smaller divisions within each.
There are small variations within each race, enough to recognise and group such populations.
For example a Swede and Italian are both Caucasoid, yet most are of different subrace. A Swede is usually Nordid, while an Italian, Mediterranid. Most British are Atlantid, while most Poles, Alpine. If you travel across Europe, you will see these regional/minor phenotypic differences.
quote:2) you're giving me traits, which one group has and the other doesn't? Including the pigmentation and depigmentation.
Minor subracial differences include head shape (Alpines are broad headed, Nordids/Medierranids are narrow), hair colour (Nordids are blonde, Mediterranids and Alpines dark haired), skin colour (Nordids are pale white, Alpines medium white, Mediterranids olive or dark white) see here -
quote:So what let to this differentiation amongst these groups. Other than: "Through localised environmental adaptations"?
They are all minor environmental adaptations.
quote: When did this happen...and from where do your precious caucasian come, where did they originate? What is their history...from where they originate?
Caucasoids evolved out of Cro-Magnon, 35,000 B.P. Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoids or robust whites. How far you take it back from there depends on personal taking of evolution in regards to racial model (out of africa vs. multiregionalism).
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin:
quote:lol you do realize, you've just debunked yourself. Do you? [Big Grin]
Maybe the the Anglo-Pict cretin doesn't see it.
If you argue for phenotypical convergence on the one hand for geographically diaparate populations then you have to apply that principle consistently.
But this weak-minded intellectual amateur argues that phenotypical metrics such as ~70-75 leptorrhine indices--the man is absolutely obsessed with noses. Freud where are you when we need you?--as is found in lesser or geater incidences all over Africa derive from some nebulous "caucasoid" admixtures. And parenthetically what about those East Asians that have lower leptorrhine indices. Mixed with caucasoids? LOL.
The man is a joker and is just a lot of fun to play with.
Leptorrhine noses (N.I. 70 -) are only found among living Caucasoids. Thin nasal openings are obviously not going to be a feature natural to the hot climate. The only Africans with thinner noses are those with Caucasoid admixture.
Negroids have very wide noses, compared below, Caucasoid (left), Negroid (right):
Negroids as you can see have very wide nasal measurments. From a physical attractive perspective they are very ugly, however in Sub-Sahara Africa wide noses are suited to the climate.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Cass - You have been on the forum for 2 1/2 years and this is your ONLY subject. Come-on, even you must suspect that there is something wrong with you. Don't you think that you should address your problem? Posting here will never solve your problem, it can only compound it.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Indeed something pathologically wrong with Anglo-Pict.
You make a point in response to Anglo-Pict--call it A. You then expect Anglo-Pict to respond to A--i.e. make a point such as A*. But this illogical poster just goes off on a tangent argues for C*. The impact is just amusement on the other side.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Cass - You have been on the forum for 2 1/2 years and this is your ONLY subject. Come-on, even you must suspect that there is something wrong with you. Don't you think that you should address your problem? Posting here will never solve your problem, it can only compound it.
I've corrected the lies in this thread.
Caucasoids are not albino's.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Albino's what? Fool, its albinos, not albino's. Just so amusing to see the kinds of dullards that Britannia is producing these days. Dysgenics at work, no doubt.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ lol, epic fail from the pseudo-intellectual.
Albinos can be spelt albino's. A variation of the spelling is albinoe or albinoes, so the apostrophe is used correctly as a contraction.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Anglo_Pyramidologist is an outcast in the white world. So he enters the black world (in cyberspace) where he gets more special attention. He tricks himself that in seeking this attention he is advancing the "white race" by doing this but there's actually an emotional need being met
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
So far a lot of tooth gnashing and hand wringing but not even one attempt at falsifying any full paragraph context Finch proposal.
This means no one has found any part of Finch's Vitamin D - albinism hypothesis on the evolution of white skin in Europe to be unsound.
There is only dislike for Finch's hypothesis.
Here it is again with the same invitation for any and all to pick one or all of its premises, quote such premise(s) in full paragraph context, and then disconfirm.
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Negroids have very wide noses, compared below, Caucasoid (left), Negroid (right):
Negroids as you can see have very wide nasal measurments. From a physical attractive perspective they are very ugly, however in Sub-Sahara Africa wide noses are suited to the climate.
Hooray Stephen Jay Gould was a Negro with his wide nasal measurements according to this fool.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Gould's ancestry is highly questionable, hardly a good example of a pure Caucasoid.
It's also lucky he died, since it was recently discovered that he had falsified his research in a desperate attempt to demonise anthropologists who believe in race. If he had been alive, he would have been stripped from his scientific position and there would probably have been a lawsuit over his scientific misconduct.
Stephen Jay Gould mismeasured skulls in racial records dispute -
quote:lol you do realize, you've just debunked yourself. Do you? [Big Grin]
Maybe the the Anglo-Pict cretin doesn't see it.
If you argue for phenotypical convergence on the one hand for geographically diaparate populations then you have to apply that principle consistently.
But this weak-minded intellectual amateur argues that phenotypical metrics such as ~70-75 leptorrhine indices--the man is absolutely obsessed with noses. Freud where are you when we need you?--as is found in lesser or geater incidences all over Africa derive from some nebulous "caucasoid" admixtures. And parenthetically what about those East Asians that have lower leptorrhine indices. Mixed with caucasoids? LOL.
The man is a joker and is just a lot of fun to play with.
Leptorrhine noses (N.I. 70 -) are only found among living Caucasoids. Thin nasal openings are obviously not going to be a feature natural to the hot climate. The only Africans with thinner noses are those with Caucasoid admixture.
Negroids have very wide noses, compared below, Caucasoid (left), Negroid (right):
Negroids as you can see have very wide nasal measurments. From a physical attractive perspective they are very ugly, however in Sub-Sahara Africa wide noses are suited to the climate.
1). what you find very ugly is merely your opinion.
2). you've made a fool of yourself.
3). you aren't well traveled.
4). Sub Sahara Arfrica has more phenotypes, than what you believe and always show. There are types with thin lips and small noses, without admixture. Your ideology is outdated.
But you're right about the climatic adaption, in how it is suited.
Why is your European man cold adapted?
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Finch in 1985 used tyr+ to describe one type of albinism. Today tyr+ is called type II (tyrosinase positive) oculocutaneous albinism. It is recognized as one of the approximately 10 different types of oculocutaneous albinism. Type II's can develop pigment.
There is a type IB which can also exhibit pigment. They used to call it yellow mutant oculocutaneous albinism.
The relevancy to Finch's hypothesis is that type II (tyrosinase positive, i.e. tyr+) albinism is highest in Africans and it makes for albinoids. Albinoid means like an albino. Unlike albinos, albinoids can display the whole range of lighter skin, lighter eye, and lighter hair colors of European whites.
The idea is that albinoids, through the process of prolonged genetic isolation, produced an "inbred" stock of humans with pink skin, blue to hazel eyes, and blond to light brown hair when their darker parent stock succumbed to the environment and its ecology and were not abundantly replenished from outside sources.
There is nothing hateful or racist about that.
Not being genetically isolated, albinoids in Africa were never under the circumstances that would lead to a self-reproducing regional human variety.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] So far a lot of tooth gnashing and hand wringing but not even one attempt at falsifying any full paragraph context Finch proposal.
This means no one has found any part of Finch's Vitamin D - albinism hypothesis on the evolution of white skin in Europe to be unsound.
There is only dislike for Finch's hypothesis.
Here it is again with the same invitation for any and all to pick one or all of its premises, quote such premise(s) in full paragraph context, and then disconfirm.
explain the difference between Frederick Murray's (or Jabolinsky)
"Vitamin D Hypothesis for the Depigmentation of Human Skin" supported by recent genetic findings: slc24a5 and EDAR
and Finch's
"Vitamin D Albinism theory"
.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: before (s)he edited it
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
So far a lot of tooth gnashing and hand wringing but not even one attempt at falsifying any full paragraph context Finch proposal.
This means no one has found any part of Finch's Vitamin D - albinism hypothesis on the evolution of white skin in Europe to be unsound.
There is only dislike for Finch's hypothesis.
Here it is again with the same invitation for any and all to pick one or all of its premises, quote such premise(s) in full paragraph context, and then disconfirm.
explain the difference between Frederick Murray's "Vitamin D Hypothesis for the Depigmentation of Human Skin" and Finch's "Vitamin D Albinism theory"
Employ comprehension while reading p.21b sentences 1 and 2.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: 1) you're telling me they are the same race....yet are different / division/ dinaricization? They now for some odd reason fall into a category called "the same"? Yet are of a different categorization in the first place?
Why is basic racial typology hard for you to understand? There are the major racial divisions (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid), and then you have subraces or smaller divisions within each.
There are small variations within each race, enough to recognise and group such populations.
For example a Swede and Italian are both Caucasoid, yet most are of different subrace. A Swede is usually Nordid, while an Italian, Mediterranid. Most British are Atlantid, while most Poles, Alpine. If you travel across Europe, you will see these regional/minor phenotypic differences.
quote:2) you're giving me traits, which one group has and the other doesn't? Including the pigmentation and depigmentation.
Minor subracial differences include head shape (Alpines are broad headed, Nordids/Medierranids are narrow), hair colour (Nordids are blonde, Mediterranids and Alpines dark haired), skin colour (Nordids are pale white, Alpines medium white, Mediterranids olive or dark white) see here -
quote:So what let to this differentiation amongst these groups. Other than: "Through localised environmental adaptations"?
They are all minor environmental adaptations.
quote: When did this happen...and from where do your precious caucasian come, where did they originate? What is their history...from where they originate?
Caucasoids evolved out of Cro-Magnon, 35,000 B.P. Cro-Magnon's were proto-Caucasoids or robust whites. How far you take it back from there depends on personal taking of evolution in regards to racial model (out of africa vs. multiregionalism).
1). You keep repeating that there are differences between these groups. And based on relatively "minor" differences you cluster groups together. However, they do differ. This is the problem with your theory.
2). See point one.
3). The Cro-Magnon claim is interesting. Where they tropical adapted in limb portions...? If so, how come? And from where does his Cro-Magnon come?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] So far a lot of tooth gnashing and hand wringing but not even one attempt at falsifying any full paragraph context Finch proposal.
This means no one has found any part of Finch's Vitamin D - albinism hypothesis on the evolution of white skin in Europe to be unsound.
There is only dislike for Finch's hypothesis.
Here it is again with the same invitation for any and all to pick one or all of its premises, quote such premise(s) in full paragraph context, and then disconfirm.
explain the difference between Frederick Murray's (or Jabolinsky)
"Vitamin D Hypothesis for the Depigmentation of Human Skin" supported by recent genetic findings: slc24a5 and EDAR
and Finch's
"Vitamin D Albinism theory"
.
alTakruri like Finch obscures the differnce between what Murray said and what Finch says. In failing to distingush the two for lack of knowledge on the Vitamin D hypothesis the resort is to ask me to read the same Finch item over again. This just exposes a lack of knowledge on alTakruri's part about Murray's Vitamin D hypothesis and how it is different from Finch's. The intent is to switch they theories so that a less knowledgable reader assumes Finch = Murray
This will have to taken as a fail by alTakruri
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Look.
I presented Finch's hypothesis.
As I post earlier there are other hypotheses.
posted April 01, 2012 05:11 AM
Nobody knows exactly how European white people came into existance. There are only hypotheses. Sustained congenital loss of colour whether spurred on by survival and reproduction of better vitamin D synthesizers and/or tyr+ albinoids (either/both occuring 20-30kya) and/or an SLC24A5 "sweep" (6kya).
Take your pick. They're all just somebody's best guess. If one is racist they all are racist as they all rely not on hatred or notions of superiority. They each and all rely on genetics.
Finch obviously differs from Murray in proposing albinism as the mechanism for depigmentation, as seen in Finch p.21b sentence 2. I invite the Lioness to post Finch p.21b sentences 1 and 2 and demonstrate that Finch does not indeed say that albinism as the mechanism is recent for 1985 whereas Murray's Vitamin D hypothesis was 50 years old in 1985.
Not liking Finch or erecting a Finch=Murray strawman does not falsify Finch's hypothesis.
Now, no more wasting time hating on Finch or pitching screwy curveballs like Finch=Murray which makes no sense and appears nowhere in either Finch or myself but only in Lioness' imagination.
I will ignore ad hominem, red herring, appeal to authority, strawman, and other logical fallacy inferences and await well thought out falsifications of any parts of Finch in full contextual refutation. We see that Lioness for one is incapable of such a relevant reply.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
albanoidism is an obsolete term for tyrosinase-positive oculocutaneous albinism, although "albanoid" is not used. basically it's a less extreme form of albinism with some pigmenation and certain eye problems not occuring.
The tyrosinase-positive oculocutaneous albinism gene shows locus homogeneity on chromosome 15q11-q13 and evidence of multiple mutations in southern African negroids.
M. A. Kedda, G. Stevens, P. Manga, C. Viljoen, T. Jenkins, and M. Ramsay Department of Human Genetics, School of Pathology, South African Institute for Medical Research, Johannesburg.
Tyrosinase-positive oculocutaneous albinism (ty-pos OCA) is an autosomal recessive disorder of the melanin pigmentary system. South African ty-pos OCA individuals occur with two distinct phenotypes, with or without darkly pigmented patches (ephelides, or dendritic freckles) on exposed areas of the skin. These phenotypes are concordant within families, suggesting that there may be more than one mutation at the ty-pos OCA locus. Linkage studies carried out in 41 families have shown linkage between markers in the Prader-Willi/Angelman syndrome (PWS/AS) region on chromosome 15q11-q13 and ty-pos OCA. Analysis showed no obligatory crossovers between the alleles at the D15S12 locus and ty-pos OCA, suggesting that the D15S12 locus is very close to or part of the disease locus, which is postulated to be the human homologue, P, of the mouse pink-eyed dilution gene, p. Unlike caucasoid "ty-pos OCA" individuals, negroid ty-pos OCA individuals do not show any evidence of locus heterogeneity. Studies of allelic association between the polymorphic alleles detected at the D15S12 locus and ephelus status suggest that there was a single major mutation giving rise to ty-pos OCA without ephelides. There may, however, be two major mutations causing ty-pos OCA with ephelides, one associated with D15S12 allele 1 and the other associated with D15S12 allele 2. The two loci, GABRA5 and D15S24, flanking D15S12, are both hypervariable, and many different haplotypes were observed with the alleles at the three loci on both ty-pos OCA-associated chromosomes and "normal" chromosomes.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
However Finch incorrectly speculates (a complete guess with no evidence) that tyrosinase-positive oculocutaneous albinismalbininoidism is associated with environemntal conditions above the 51st parallel. But It's a birth defect and not related to environmental conditions as is illustrated by the above School of Pathology, Johannesburg study of such persons in Africa shows. Further, extreme Northern conditions are still present even at higher latitudes above the 60th parallel yet where is the genetic evidence that this form of albinism is more common? Ther is none. It's a bogus theory, a semantic trick to try to transform Murray's description evolutionary adaptation at play into an accidental birth defect, a sudden change not related to the environmnet which just happens to be advanageous in Northern latitudes. However no data of any kind from either Africa or Northern latitudes is presented
lioness productions 2012
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Reasons to ignore the above:
Finch nowhere states tyr+ arose in Europe
Finch gave much information on African albinos
Finch told of current neutral and ice age advantageous conditions as relates to albino(id)s.
Lioness does not understand that per Finch - isolated genepool - limited geography - environmental filtering - 10k+ years of time made a new biogeographic human variety
and naively promotes an imaginary leap of one generation displacement with no antecedents and no evolutionary processes involved.
It took up sometime but at least Lioness finally comprehends type II OCA can depigment without a display of harmful deleterious effects. That's a confirmation of one element of Finch's idea not a falsification.
I will ignore ad hominem, red herring, appeal to authority, strawman, and other logical fallacy inferences and await well thought out falsifications of any parts of Finch in full contextual refutation. We see that Lioness remains incapable of such a relevant reply.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by lamin:
quote:lol you do realize, you've just debunked yourself. Do you? [Big Grin]
Maybe the the Anglo-Pict cretin doesn't see it.
If you argue for phenotypical convergence on the one hand for geographically diaparate populations then you have to apply that principle consistently.
But this weak-minded intellectual amateur argues that phenotypical metrics such as ~70-75 leptorrhine indices--the man is absolutely obsessed with noses. Freud where are you when we need you?--as is found in lesser or geater incidences all over Africa derive from some nebulous "caucasoid" admixtures. And parenthetically what about those East Asians that have lower leptorrhine indices. Mixed with caucasoids? LOL.
The man is a joker and is just a lot of fun to play with.
Leptorrhine noses (N.I. 70 -) are only found among living Caucasoids. Thin nasal openings are obviously not going to be a feature natural to the hot climate. The only Africans with thinner noses are those with Caucasoid admixture.
Negroids have very wide noses, compared below, Caucasoid (left), Negroid (right):
Negroids as you can see have very wide nasal measurments. From a physical attractive perspective they are very ugly, however in Sub-Sahara Africa wide noses are suited to the climate.
The members of the populations above are way older then Europeans who genetically carry downstreams.
Indeed the environment provided well suited traits.
Ironically you will find people with light complexion in North Africa who carry the prognathic trait, wide nose and such...
Sahelians and Saharans are intermediate Africans...where all traits are possible. The Sahara has regions of extreme cold and heat, quickly shifting streams. These things you will not know, since all you do is sit behind your computer googling eugenic nonsense all day. No field experience what or ever.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Indeed something pathologically wrong with Anglo-Pict.
He's playing you all can't you see it?
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Somali's and Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid admixed.
''On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation....'' - Passarino et al. (1998) Different Genetic Components in the Ethiopian Population, Identified by mtDNA and Y-Chromosome Polymorphisms. Am J Hum Genet; 62:420-434
''The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994).'' - Scacchi et al. (2003) Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia: An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg). Hum Biol; 75:293-300
''Ethiopian and Somali — populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations.'' - Tishkoff et al. "Short Tandem-Repeat Polymorphism/Alu Haplotype Variation at the PLAT Locus: Implications for Modern Human Origins". Am J Hum Genet, 2000
In craniometric studies Somali's cluster with Caucasoids (Europeans) before West Africans (Negroids).
''Somalis cluster with Europeans before showing a tie with the people of West Africa or the Congo Basin.'' - Brace et al. "Clines and Clusters Versus 'Race': A Test in Ancient Egypt and the Case of a Death on the Nile". Year Phys Anthro, 1993.
Somali girls (heavily caucasoid admixed) -
Now compared to Negroids...
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
^Only in your mind are Somalis "heavily caucasoids admixed"
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Somali's and Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid admixed.
''On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation....'' - Passarino et al. (1998) Different Genetic Components in the Ethiopian Population, Identified by mtDNA and Y-Chromosome Polymorphisms. Am J Hum Genet; 62:420-434
''The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994).'' - Scacchi et al. (2003) Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia: An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg). Hum Biol; 75:293-300
''Ethiopian and Somali — populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations.'' - Tishkoff et al. "Short Tandem-Repeat Polymorphism/Alu Haplotype Variation at the PLAT Locus: Implications for Modern Human Origins". Am J Hum Genet, 2000
In craniometric studies Somali's cluster with Caucasoids (Europeans) before West Africans (Negroids).
''Somalis cluster with Europeans before showing a tie with the people of West Africa or the Congo Basin.'' - Brace et al. "Clines and Clusters Versus 'Race': A Test in Ancient Egypt and the Case of a Death on the Nile". Year Phys Anthro, 1993.
Somali girls (heavily caucasoid admixed) -
Now compared to Negroids...
I know you aren't the same person as the other dimwit, you are somewhat slightly smarter. And your writting style is different.
However, you are predictible and the fact remains, Somalis and Ethiopians are tropical adapted and not hairy like Eurasians or Europeans, who are cold adapted in limbs and hairy to extensive hairy..
Secondly, did you not claim that the environment suites and fits a phenotype? I told you before, I agree. The region where Somalis and Ethiopians have remained for thousands of years provides just that.
They are sub Saharans, but part of the Saharan/ Sahelian bridge.
Here is the actual composition of Somalis and Ethiopians...not the wishful thinking one.
The Northeast Africa-based E1b1b1a subclade is defined by SNP M78. Somalia, Sudan and Egypt are among the present day countries with very high frequencies (60-90%) of the E1b1b1a M78 subclade. The STR data also support its origin in this area with a TMRCA estimated at 14-23 kya.
The E1b1b1a1b (V32) subclade is a descendant of E1b1b1a1 (V12). E1b1b1a1b/V32 is highest in Somalia (47-75%),
This somewhat rare haplogroup, E1b1b1e (V6), has only been observed in East Africa with the most appreciable levels seen in Ethiopia (4-17%). Kenya and Somalia also harbor a moderate frequency (5%) of this subclade.
"The high frequency (77.6%) of haplogroup E3b1 was characteristic of male Somalis. The frequency of E3b1 was significantly lower in Ethiopian Oromos (35.9%), Ethiopian Amharas (22.9%), Egyptians (20.0%), Sudanese (17.5%), Kenyans (15.1%),10 Iraqis (6.3%), Northern Africans (6.1%), Southern Europeans (0.5–5.1%) and sub-Saharan populations." (Sanchez et al.,(2005) High frequencies of Y chromosome lineages characterized by E3b1, DYS19-11, DYS392-12 in Somali males, Eu J of Hum Genet (2005) 13, 856–866)
Lastly, the woman you showed....you may explain where she is from....because clearly not everybody in sub Sahara Africa has her pheonotype, extensive prognathic bone structure. As I have shown before. And you of course, ignored that part. Just like the tropical adaptation in limbs of cro-magnons. lol
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Make room. Others are following in exponential droves. Soon the whole world will acknowledge the Black man's mutation to melanin loss which created the "white" man.
There is no such illusion as "RACE". Only those who have and have not, Melanin. Posted by Grumman (Member # 14051) on :
Ausar, are you sure alTakruri (Feb., 2006) is Tukuler (Dec., 2011)?
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Now that you mention it, their posting styles are indeed, very similar.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Yes, it does seem strange to see Tukuler aka alTakruri, post such a thread. We have fought so often that I hesitate to tease him, but it does seem like someone or something "Radicalized" him.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Wow, I'm getting lazy and hadn't even noticed that it was AlTakruri who made the original post and Tukuler who follows after that.
Their styles are so similar I hadn't even noticed the different names.
To be fair, the article has as much substance and misinformation as a discover magazine piece. So, it's not really so radical.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
I had previously brought up the Russian swamps albino origin of whites. I had read it in Rogers many decades ago. Then two decades ago I read Finch's idea about whites originating from albinoids.
Since the idea has been around for damn near a century and was first promulgated by whites themselves I see nothing radical nor racist about it. It's just another alternative view on something no one knows for sure, that being, how did the pure blanco arise.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Please, playing the radical is such a passe pose. I leave that to clowns unable to write rationally.
I had previously brought up the Russian swamps albino origin of whites. I had read it in Rogers many decades ago. Then two decades ago I read Finch's idea about whites originating from albinoids.
Since the idea has been around for damn near a century and was first promulgated by whites themselves I see nothing radical nor racist about it. It's just another alternative view on something no one knows for sure, that being, how did the pure blanco arise.
I am neither naive nor sentimental about Ausar's role. He defends white complaints against albino usage and white nudity but turns a blind eye to threads labeling blacks as dirt skins and grotesqueries and will permit black nudity using primitive savagery as an alibi.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
MK - Just musing on recent observations, thought your insight might be useful.
While strolling in a predominately Jewish area, I noticed a "Dark" haired woman with a Blonde haired child - this is not uncommon.
I thought to myself, "don't you know that you are going "Backward" why are you doing that?
I noted Doxies almost hysterical assertion that Albinos are not Albinos.
Then I see the news headline:
Autism Linked to Inherited Gene Mutations, Particularly From Dad.
It got me wondering if Blacks were afflicted with Autism. Of course Albinos don't publish that kind of thing. But I got a good indication from this study:
African Americans and Autism: Research
Gene interaction raises autism risk in blacks and whites.
The study of 54 African American families and 557 Caucasian families in which a member had autism were analyzed. Researchers analyzed genes that regulate a brain chemical or neurotransmitter called GABA along chromosome 15. Chromosome 15 has been linked to autism.
Is Autism related to deficient Melanin?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
sigh!
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Is Autism related to deficient Melanin?
Mike
Melanin is related indirectly to Autism by it's relationship with Neuromelanin.
Melanin, the source of skin pigmentation, is also found in the brain and I know of at least a particular fungus (the one responsible for Valley Fever) which targets melanin. Having seen a lot of fair kids with autism, I'm not implying that mercury was "designed" to target minorities per se. But it would it would be interesting to find out that some races were impacted more severely than others in certain waysor had higher mortality from mercury exposure.
Dr. Breggin specified that Valley Fever spores may be attracted to melanin in the brain. As far as I know, it has never been reported whether African Americans, Native Americans or Amerindian Hispanics in particular have more neuromelanin than whites, though some African American social theorists believe this to be true. One study found that those from India (and presumably others of similar ancestry) may have less neuromelanin in brain tissue than whites. Seemingly there can be differences in neuromelanin concentrations between races that do not necessarily hinge on precise depth of skin color, though one might predict more neuromelanin in those with more skin melanin, barring some anomalies. From what I understand, neuromelanin can be found especially in the brainstem—specifically in the locus coeruleus—and in the substantia nigra among other sites. Neuromelanin is not observable in the brains of infants of any race until about age one and tends to rise through the lifespan until after age sixty, at which point it remains constant until extremely old age according to some sources. Neuromelanin is also reduced in certain disease processes. It’s the reduction of neuromelanin in the substantia nigra and locus coeruleus which is associated with “idiopathic” Parkinson’s. For some recognized cases of toxically-induced Parkinson’s, neuromelanin is apparently reduced in the substantia nigra but not the locus coeruleus. Certain substances are drawn to melanin: in one form of pesticide-induced Parkinson’s, evidence was found that pigmented neurons in the substantia nigra had absorbed this particular pesticide. In the case of Valley Fever, it was conjectured that spores have affinity for melanin and exceed the cells’ defenses—which are otherwise quite formidable.
The few autopsies that were ever performed on those who died of Valley Fever frequently found coccidioidomycosal absesses on the substantia nigra and in the locus coeruleus within the brainstem—both highly pigmented areas of the brain. A high percentage of victims in one study—who were largely Hispanic— also had diabetes, which researchers thought could play a role in vascular susceptibility to the spores. But not all fatalities had compromised health: something else was making certain individuals particularly vulnerable to this disease and, as it turned out, the US military was interested in why.
As the story goes, the US military found the fatal cases of Valley Fever compelling, but not in terms of helping victims of the disease. Instead the military reportedly researched the potential of the fungus for use as a biological weapon. One can only assume who the targets of these speculative biological weapons were intended to be. Apparently military researchers released a nearly identical but less pathogenic fungus to the Coccidioidomycosis spore in a navy depot to observe how the fungus might spread on shoes. Bits and pieces of this incident are scattered about the web and more may be buried in books I haven’t yet read.
It got me wondering if Blacks were afflicted with Autism. Of course Albinos don't publish that kind of thing. But I got a good indication from this study:
African Americans and Autism: Research
Gene interaction raises autism risk in blacks and whites.
The study of 54 African American families and 557 Caucasian families in which a member had autism were analyzed. Researchers analyzed genes that regulate a brain chemical or neurotransmitter called GABA along chromosome 15. Chromosome 15 has been linked to autism.
Most these conditions are only found in White Europeans -
quote:Phenylketonuria
This European genetic defect bears a sharp diagnostic resemblance to autism.
Huntington’s Disease
This disease originated in Western Europe, and is rare in Asians and in Africans. Interestingly, this disease protects against cancer and infectious diseases. If present in Neanderthal along with complementary alleles to guard against its adverse effects, it would go a long way towards explaining the long Neanderthal life span. It is conceivable that it may have played a role in allowing Neanderthals to hibernate.
Psoriasis
Another condition with a higher presence in people of European descent.
Multiple Sclerosis
This disease is also more highly represented in people of European descent, and its frequency increases along with latitude.
IgA, Celiac, Autoimmune Diseases, and Autism
Low levels of IgA are present in autoimmune diseases such as Celiac. Studies also confirm that individuals with autism have low levels of IgA. This condition is also known as gluten-intolerance, and its distribution in the population is also mostly within people of European descent. Neanderthals were carnivores, and did not have complexes for processing the gluten found in grains
Bearing in mind White Europeans have Neanderthal DNA, then there is probably a link.
Your albino theory though is nonsense.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
A BRIEF LOOK AT THE STRIA VASCULARIS IN AIT – CARIN S. SMIT
Melanin Receptors[i]of the inner ear, AIT and Metabolism
Melanin, a form of pigments, doesn't only occur in the skin, brain and eyes. In humans, melanin[ii] is found in skin, hair, the pigmented tissue underlying the iris, the medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the bones, heart, the stria vascularis of the inner ear, and in pigment-bearing neurons of certain deep brain nuclei such as the locus ceruleus and the substantia nigra. The area in the ear, called the stria vascularis, where melanin is found, is of special importance to AIT as it possibly represents both a locus of toxicity and a rationale for a probable mechanism for detoxification, as it is energized by acoustic energy, likely aiding in the restoration of auditory lesions through intensive acoustic stimulation. Melanin Containing Hormone R2 is only found in some primates and carnivores, including ferrets, dogs and man.
Larsson[iii] explains that various drugs and other chemicals, such as organic amines, metals, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, etc., are bound to melanin and retained in pigmented tissues for long periods. He stresses that the physiological significance of the binding is not evident, but it has been suggested that the melanin protects the pigmented cells and adjacent tissues by absorbing potentially harmful substances, which then are slowly released in nontoxic concentrations.
Figure 30: Cross-section of cochlea showing stria vascularis
Long-term exposure, on the other hand, may build up high levels of noxious chemicals, stored on the melanin, which ultimately may cause degeneration in the melanin-containing cells, and secondary lesions in surrounding tissues. E.g. in the inner ear, the pigmented cells are located close to the receptor cells, and melanin binding may be an important factor in the development of some inner ear lesions. He speculates that neuromelanin in the brain, is present in nerve cells in the extra pyramidal system, and the melanin affinity of certain neurotoxic agents may be involved in the development of parkinsonism, and possibly tardive dyskinesia, whereas I would like to speculate that in young children, it might be one of the key contributing reasons why we see such significant sensory disturbances (ocular and auditory) in children with autism.
3 Larsson, B.S. 1993. Interaction Between Chemicals and Melanin. Wiley Inner Science.
4 Listening to the Sound of Skin Cancer inOptic Letters, Optical Society of America
5 Bartels, S., Ito, S., Trune, D.R. & Nuttall, A.L., 2001. Noise-induced hearing loss: the effect of melanin in the stria vascularis.
6 Barrenäs ML, Axelsson A. The development of melanin in the stria vascularis of the gerbil. In Acta Otolaryngol. 1992;112(1):50-8.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: MK - Just musing on recent observations, thought your insight might be useful.
While strolling in a predominately Jewish area, I noticed a "Dark" haired woman with a Blonde haired child - this is not uncommon.
I thought to myself, "don't you know that you are going "Backward" why are you doing that?
I noted Doxies almost hysterical assertion that Albinos are not Albinos.
Then I see the news headline:
Autism Linked to Inherited Gene Mutations, Particularly From Dad.
It got me wondering if Blacks were afflicted with Autism. Of course Albinos don't publish that kind of thing. But I got a good indication from this study:
African Americans and Autism: Research
Gene interaction raises autism risk in blacks and whites.
The study of 54 African American families and 557 Caucasian families in which a member had autism were analyzed. Researchers analyzed genes that regulate a brain chemical or neurotransmitter called GABA along chromosome 15. Chromosome 15 has been linked to autism.
I was only telling the truth Mikey boy white people hating black racist black supremacist. White people are not Albinos and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a dark haired White woman having children with a blond or red haired White man & having blond or red haired children.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Thanks MK.
Cass, I don't agree, note the following.
Coccidioidomycosis (Valley fever) In order of decreasing risk, people of Filipino, African, Native American, Hispanic, and Asian descent are susceptible to the disseminated form of the disease - the most serious.
Obviously there is a melanin component to susceptibility.
You people need to be less into denial, and more into investigating the role of melanin.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
"The most conspicuous feature in idiopathic parkinsonism is the degeneration of pigmented neurons in the substantia nigra.
A major problem for the study of the significance of neuromelanin for the development of parkinsonism is that common experimenal animals lack neuromelanin in substantia nigra.
The aim of this study was to develop an in vitro model that could be used to study the role of neuromelanin in chemically induced toxicity in dopaminergic cells. Cultured neuron-like PC12 cells were exposed to synthetic dopamine melanin (0-1.0 mg/ml) for 48 h, resulting in uptake of dopamine melanin particles into the cells. The intracellular distribution of dopamine melanin granules was similar to that found in neuromelanin-containing neurons. Dopamine melanin, up to 0.5 mg/ml, had negligible effects on ultrastructure, induction of the endoplasmic reticulum-stress protein glucose regulating protein 78, activation of caspase-3 and cell viability. The decreased cell viability in response to the cytotoxic peptide amyloid-beta25-35 was similar in melanin-loaded cells and in control cells without melanin.
The results of the studies suggest that melanin-loaded PC12 cells can serve as an in vitro model for studies on the role of neuromelanin for the toxicity of chemicals, in particular neurotoxicants with melanin affinity, in pigmented neurons."
Ostergren, A., Svensson, A.L., Lindquist, N.G., Brittebo, E.B., Dopamine melanin-loaded PC12 cells: a model for studies on pigmented neurons, Pigment Cell Research, Volume 18 Issue 4 Page 306, August 2005
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
[quote]I am neither naive nor sentimental about Ausar's role. He defends white complaints against albino usage and white nudity but turns a blind eye to threads labeling blacks as dirt skins and grotesqueries and will permit black nudity using primitive savagery as an alibi.(/quote)
This is a gross mischaracterization so I would appreciate it if you stop spreading this mistruth. I deleted all racial threads in which posters thought were racist. That includes derogatory comments about white or black people. Personally, I would have kept all racial posts except posters like elemental and claus started making a big deal about the posts so I decided that it would be best to censor the racist posts. You feel I have been partial somehow defending white people over black people but I assure I have no sympathy towards white people.
The nudity issue was actually brought up to me from a non-white female poster. I decided that nudity could be allowed if it was apart of the culture of the people being posted. You complained about that and so I decided to ban all nudity in general.
You are a very knowledgable person and I respect you, so I ask you kindly to back off me. I am trying the best I can to run this forum and bring it back to serious discussion.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by ausar: [quote]I am neither naive nor sentimental about Ausar's role. He defends white complaints against albino usage and white nudity but turns a blind eye to threads labeling blacks as dirt skins and grotesqueries and will permit black nudity using primitive savagery as an alibi.(/quote)
This is a gross mischaracterization so I would appreciate it if you stop spreading this mistruth. I deleted all racial threads in which posters thought were racist. That includes derogatory comments about white or black people. Personally, I would have kept all racial posts except posters like elemental and claus started making a big deal about the posts so I decided that it would be best to censor the racist posts. You feel I have been partial somehow defending white people over black people but I assure I have no sympathy towards white people.
The nudity issue was actually brought up to me from a non-white female poster. I decided that nudity could be allowed if it was apart of the culture of the people being posted. You complained about that and so I decided to ban all nudity in general.
You are a very knowledgable person and I respect you, so I ask you kindly to back off me. I am trying the best I can to run this forum and bring it back to serious discussion.
Now I know why you are still allowing Mike & IronLion & MelanKing, and ilk to continue using Albino as a racist epithet when referring to Whites. Secretly you hate Whites the same as they do at least it is in the open now.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
Doxies, despite my bias I feel that I have been fair to all points of views. If you read my post to TruthandRights I clarify my view on ''race'' in America. Everybody is predjudice no matter how much liberal posturing is put up as a defense. People like being around people phenotypically like themselves. You will note that I never speak against white nationalists because I know that is only natural.
The problem with America is two distinct groups with a bad history has been forced to live together and so you get the results such as Trayvon Martin and black kids beating up whites who venture into predominately black areas.
Let's not detract from alTakruri's thread unless you have data to refute the argument. If you have issues with my stance on ''white'' people send me a private message or start a thread.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
ausar - You will note that Cass made a personal reference above. Please stand ready to delete any inappropriate reference to same.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
@ Ausar
Just keeping it real, man. I'm just the jester. You're the king. Everybody needs a critic.
You should've needed no prompting to protect the sacredness of the Black Woman's nudity.
In case you didn't get my chicken coop coup analogy, the horses ran from the barn it's too late to shut the barndoor.
Anyway, in the future when I'm being satyrical in addressing criticism your way, I'll try using a jester hat image so you don't get uptight about "gross mischaracterizations" that are only barbs of satire critique.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ausar - You will note that Cass made a personal reference above. Please stand ready to delete any inappropriate reference to same.
Mike if you are talking about the white people hating, black racist black supremacist bit, that wasn't Cass it was me. Since this is a thread about the "albino" origins of Whites, I would appreciate you posting any unbiased proof you may have to show how this is true.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Which only proves that you don't actually read anything.
But your statement: "White people are not Albinos and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a dark haired White woman having children with a blond or red haired White man & having blond or red haired children."
Does bring to mind an interesting observation:
The "Dumb Blonde" movement.
Blacks didn't come up with that, Albinos did.
But in my own experience, I see no basis for the prejudice. As a matter of fact, the dumbest Albino females that I have known, were "Dark" haired - like you?
Leaving me to wonder what is the real reason for prejudice against Blondes. Perhaps to discourage "Going Backwards"?
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
It's time to recoup the loses and buy a new hatchery. I realize its in decay but I am not pulling the plug.
I don't mind crtique if its justified. I take your critque since I respect you and that you have probably contributed the most to my understanding but I ask you to be a little fair.
altakruri, find all posts you find racially offensive and I will delete them. You have my word. Please note I am very busy with pharmacy school.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Which only proves that you don't actually read anything.
But your statement: "White people are not Albinos and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a dark haired White woman having children with a blond or red haired White man & having blond or red haired children."
Does bring to mind an interesting observation:
The "Dumb Blonde" movement.
Blacks didn't come up with that, Albinos did.
But in my own experience, I see no basis for the prejudice. As a matter of fact, the dumbest Albino females that I have known, were "Dark" haired - like you?
Leaving me to wonder what is the real reason for prejudice against Blondes. Perhaps to discourage "Going Backwards"?
Ohh I read what is said, I have yet to see you post any unbiased proof, only biased. LOL, Most White men love blonds & red heads. This thread isn't about me Mikey boy. You might call my hair "dark" its what some would call light brown w/ a very red tint or what some would call dark blond. Anyhow this thread isn't about me. I'll be waiting for that unbiased proof Mike.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
That's why I told you to forget about this place and do YOU, i.e., the real life that really counts.
You can't afford to the time it takes to moderate this place to the point of a 180°
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Ohh I read what is said, I have yet to see you post any unbiased proof, only biased. LOL, Most White men love blonds & red heads. This thread isn't about me Mikey boy. You might call my hair "dark" its what some would call light brown w/ a very red tint or what some would call dark blond. Anyhow this thread isn't about me. I'll be waiting for that unbiased proof Mike.
Oh, so YOU'RE Blonde.
Okay then, Damn it hurts me to do this;
At this point I have no choice but to yield to the greater wisdom of the worlds Albino Men!
There, I've said it!
Damn!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Ohh I read what is said, I have yet to see you post any unbiased proof, only biased. LOL, Most White men love blonds & red heads. This thread isn't about me Mikey boy. You might call my hair "dark" its what some would call light brown w/ a very red tint or what some would call dark blond. Anyhow this thread isn't about me. I'll be waiting for that unbiased proof Mike.
Oh, so YOU'RE Blonde.
Okay then, Damn it hurts me to do this;
At this point I have no choice but to yield to the greater wisdom of the worlds Albino Men!
There, I've said it!
Damn!
Depends on who you ask LOL, to some my hair is "dark" blond w/ a very red tint, to some it is light brown w/ a very red tint, I've even had someone say my hair is auburn. Again this thread isn't about me,if you wish to discuss me w/ me then private message me and we will discuss me. Still waiting for that unbiased proof on the topic at hand, that topic being Whites & albinohood.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I provide a "Rational" evidential explanation for your existence. You provide denial and nothing more. Hardly seems fair - try coming back with a little more.
BTW - In other venues, you would be surprised at how many Albinos agree, and are grateful to finally have an explanation.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Truth is light!
Most importantly, one can finally get the psychological help for the genetic cycle in which you find your self trapped.
The graphs above exposes and explains it all. Albinism is root of a number of major mental illnesses. They originate due to genetic failure of;
1) Inherited OCA 2) Inadequate Melanin in Embyro leading to eye/hair color other than brown/black. 3) Pineal Gland Calcification 4) Substantia nigra neuromelanin degradation 5) Inherited traits. Ocular Defects, Pigment & Amino Acid (Neuromelanin transmitter) Disorders, Sensory deprecation, UV damage susceptibility, Immunity deficiencies, Mental illness * Mental illness is more common in people whose biological family members also have a mental illness. You may have a genetic vulnerability to developing a mental illness, and your life situation may trigger the actual mental illness if you're already at risk. Insomnia, Depression, Bi-Polar Disorder, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Schizophrenia, ADHD/ADD, Psychotic Disorders, Dementia of the Alzheimer's, Delusional Disorder, are all linked to OCA and resultant breakdown of Melanin and immunization systems.
Unfortunately, the trouble does not stop her. Melanin is also essential n the Reproductive system. The above stages of OCA will also show adverse effects of reproduction with candidates exhibiting the following symptoms; -Erectile dysfunction -Male Erectile Disorder -Gender Dysphoria -Premature Ejaculation -Dyspareunia -Female fertility issues
What a terrible place to be. Why isn't the role of melanin taught in every school to every child.
As the above chart clearly shows, over 100M Americans are affected by some form of mental illness associated with Melanin and Neurotransmitter defects, I.E., Sleep Disorders, Depression, Hearing loss, etc. Very likely a huge percentage of these are Albinos in high areas of responsibility and leadership, explaining that feeling you have that the world is being run by lunatics.
Open discussion must be forced to confront the reality of this terrible disease. It must finally be tracked down in every corner of the globe, isolated and eradicated, for the good of humanity.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
Ausar, better get on this one. MelaninKing is making Racist remarks & is calling for the genocide & murder of Whites.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Your ailment causes you to over-react, suffer imaginary delusion of unfair persecution. No where in my above post, does it mention or allude or imply to, "race". BTW: Albinos have no "Race".
Like most mentally ill, you are likely in deep emotional denial regarding the symptoms of insanity, rendering voluntary treatment difficult and free to propagate to the next generation, by inheritance.
What I actually propose is to identify these infected individuals and formulate/apply an effective strategy to correct this very serious and possibly world wrecking mutation.
Killing should be reserved for the most dangerously Psychopathic (Dexter/George Bush/Zionist) elements who would unchecked, murder millions.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
Malanking, blacks are not immune to diseases and genetic defects, quite the contrary -
HIV
Black Americans make up 13 percent of the U.S. population but account for over 50 percent of all new cases of HIV.
Almost 70 percent of all newly diagnosed HIV-positive women in the United States are black.
Black women are 23 times more likely to be diagnosed with AIDS than white women.
Genital Herpes
39 percent of American Blacks are infected compared to 12 percent of whites.
48% of American Black females have herpes.
A jaw-dropping 48 percent of black women between ages 14 and 49 have the virus which causes genital herpes, says the federal agency. Blacks in general are more than three times as likely as whites to have herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) (39.2 percent vs. 12.3 percent).
I never said blacks were immune to disease. This is simply a defensive response, reacting in denial due to the information above.
Blacks are also in need of psychological readjustment due to centuries of being subjected to a warped reality (Albino's). Advanced Stockholm, PTSS, depresssion are some of the illnesses effecting blacks. As they continue to blindly intermix with whites/Jews, increased cases of OCA related defects will rise in Mulatto populations proportionate to recognized genetic inheritance parameters.
Now that we recognize the danger, we can put an end to this march to certain madness.
The OCA path is a certain Psychological/Psychological/Sociological dead-end, and must be eradicated using all means available.
There are millions of these psychos running freely about, with large to unlimited financial and material resources available to them. That's scary!
Sergey Mamontov Dismembers Roommate After Sheepshead Bay Party: Police
A 50-year old Brooklyn man admitted to police authorities he had murdered his 55-year old roommate in a fistfight during a party that occurred on March 25.
Investigators stormed into Sergey Mamontov's Sheepshead Bay apartment on Tuesday to discover the victim's dismembered body stuffed inside a refrigerator.
According to The New York Post, Mamontov had also attempted to dissolve his roommate's remains in a five-gallon bucket and eight Clorox bottles containing a rib cage and several other body parts.
Trayvon Martin: Lawyer Raises Questions About Role Of Shooter's Ex-Judge Father In Investigation
On Monday, Robert Crump, who represents Martin's family along with Jackson, sent a letter to the Justice Department which said that on the night of the shooting "family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department."
Last week, Robert Zimmerman appeared on a local television news broadcast to defend his son. In addition to reporting a threat Martin allegedly made to Zimmerman just before he was shot — which did not appear in the police report — he said that his role as a magistrate judge had little bearing on the investigation.
"Do you think being a judge affected this case in any way?" the reporter asked. "Do you think they gave George an easier time because of this?"
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Your ailment causes you to over-react, suffer imaginary delusion of unfair persecution. No where in my above post, does it mention or allude or imply to, "race". BTW: Albinos have no "Race".
Like most mentally ill, you are likely in deep emotional denial regarding the symptoms of insanity, rendering voluntary treatment difficult and free to propagate to the next generation, by inheritance.
What I actually propose is to identify these infected individuals and formulate/apply an effective strategy to correct this very serious and possibly world wrecking mutation.
Killing should be reserved for the most dangerously Psychopathic (Dexter/George Bush/Zionist) elements who would unchecked, murder millions.
First I'm not mentally ill, stop trying to project your delusions on me. Second there is NOTHING wrong with being a White person, Albinos do have a race, whatever race they belong to, Albino Blacks belong to the Negro race, Albino Asians the Mongoloid race, Albino Whites belong to the Caucasian race. Third what you are talking about amounts to GENOCIDE. There doesn't have to be killing for it to be GENOCIDE. Taking measures to prevent White people from having children such as forced sterilization, forced interracial marriage, forced abortion, etc is a definition of GEONOCIDE as set forth by the Genocide Convention Of 1948.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
The content of this thread is reasonable, presenting one theory for how depigmenation occured,
WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal
^^^^ However the title of the thread is racist for a variety of reasons just like the Anglo_Pyramidologist thread:
" Why do black people hate their nappy hair texture? " (AE forum pg 2) is also racist.
^^^^ the proper title of this thread could have been " Why do SOME black people hate their nappy hair texture? "
But the title is racist because it assumes all black people hate their hair. It's a disrespectful title.
WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal
^^^ This as a thread title is racist Even the mainstream theory called "The Vitamin D Hypothesis" has the word "Hypothesis" in it But this title has no word to indicate that it is a Hypothesis or Theory. It states the concept as if it is a fact and alTakruri knew exactly what he was doing.
An acceptable title would be something like
"The Albinism Theory of Depigmented Populations" or "Charles Finch on Albanoids and Prehistoric Euroepans"
But instead it's "WHITES:" with capital letters and a colon after it as if here's the facts. Of course many of the East Asians are not included for some reason in this theory which attempts to insert a word representing a birth DEFECT and mixes that up with evolutionary processes. (we're not mad at pale Asians so we'll just leave them out of the albinism scarlet letter-racism by omission) Still it's legitimate as a THEORY.
But alTakruri has already come to a conclusion in his thread title
WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS
^^^ It's presented as a truth no indication of a theory and he's very "clever" he inserts this word "Endemic" not even in the article a word which has connotations of disease (racist implications) What is Albinism? It's a birth defect. Therefore if we look at the title of the thread it's no different from calling it
WHITES: ENDEMIC BIRTH DEFECTIVES
no different at all alTakruri, wiley one. >>>Not presented as a question but as an answer and now you have degraded yourself and joined the racist ranks of Mike and MK's pseudo scholarship, justifying using "albino" as a synonym for "white"
alTakruri is hypocritical in presenting a theory about "Caucasian Origins" while pretending not to subscribe to the concept of race. -putting forward a theory which supports racial classification and uses the word "Caucasian" all throughout. Then in some other thread he'll act like the word had no meaning. And now it's not even an ISM it's an OID- "Albanoid" A word to join the ranks of the other "OIDS" Negr-oid, and Mongol-oid
But what about the fact that Mike sometimes has some interesting pictures and research? That's fine but he could have made a thread on "fake" classical sculpture with out talking about "albino defective liars".
Here's Mike's comment:
" I am at a loss to understand why a Turk mulatto would take it upon himself to delete a thread exposing how the Albinos falsify ancient artifacts to make them appear to be White people."
^^^ the person who said this is clearly a scumbag and idiot talking to ausar like that and alTakturi runs in to defend a person who calls ausar a "Turk Mulatto". He then goes on to use the word "Albino" interchangeably with "white" when this birth defect affects people all over the world, with most cases in Africa.
Mike also calls our people Niggers frequently: _________________________________________________
Mike111 post in
Mali - Tuareg rebels want their own nation (Page 1)
Originally posted by claus3600: I was in Timbuktu back in November and the guy showing me around was a tuareg, actually a black guy.
Originally posted by Mike111: ....."He,he,he: Damn, how could niggers be THAT stupid?"... Another example of original people's innocence to "Racial" thinking is found with the Arabs; (you all know that I consider them the dumbest Niggers EVER! but for the sake of the narrative).... How strange it is that this 64 year old "Jigga-Boo" saw nothing alarming about rebels with Turk leaders, over-running most of his country"
Now the fact that this post is allowed justifies anybody using the term We don't need this
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Your ailment causes you to over-react, suffer imaginary delusion of unfair persecution. No where in my above post, does it mention or allude or imply to, "race". BTW: Albinos have no "Race".
Like most mentally ill, you are likely in deep emotional denial regarding the symptoms of insanity, rendering voluntary treatment difficult and free to propagate to the next generation, by inheritance.
What I actually propose is to identify these infected individuals and formulate/apply an effective strategy to correct this very serious and possibly world wrecking mutation.
Killing should be reserved for the most dangerously Psychopathic (Dexter/George Bush/Zionist) elements who would unchecked, murder millions.
First I'm not mentally ill, stop trying to project your delusions on me. Second there is NOTHING wrong with being a White person, Albinos do have a race, whatever race they belong to, Albino Blacks belong to the Negro race, Albino Asians the Mongoloid race, Albino Whites belong to the Caucasian race. Third what you are talking about amounts to GENOCIDE. There doesn't have to be killing for it to be GENOCIDE. Taking measures to prevent White people from having children such as forced sterilization, forced interracial marriage, forced abortion, etc is a definition of GEONOCIDE as set forth by the Genocide Convention Of 1948.
Enough with the crazy talk.
The OCA defect is like cancer. As shown, the presence of OCA carries with it; Optical, Audio, Immunization, Psychological, and Reproductive negative trade-offs.
We need to expand on getting more Albinism non-profit help programs in place. Additional funded treatment programs, both physical and psychological are needed from decades of neglect. Sing the petition to Washington D.C., to President Obama to add mandatory Albinism care to his health package.
Infected Albinos need to be treated ASAP, and preventive maintenance needs to be given to at-risk OCA carrier women to ensure they no longer breed sub-human blue-eyed, blond haired, defective humans.
Go Green. Clean up the Earth. Clean up The Human Body. MISSION: To Eradicate the OCA defect from Humanity.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ genocidal black supremacist maniac...
His sick fantasy is a world where all white woman are breeding with black men. In reality, this rarely ever happens, according to marriage stats 98.7% of white women are married to white men and are raising white children.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ genocidal black supremacist maniac...
His sick fantasy is a world where all white woman are breeding with black men. In reality, this rarely ever happens, according to marriage stats 98.7% of white women are married to white men and are raising white children.
No. I wouldn't touch an Albino woman any more than I would a woman with cystic Fibrosis or Tay-Sachs Disease defects.
These woman need to get the treatment they've been denied by their psychotic male counterparts, ASAP!!!
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ genocidal black supremacist maniac...
His sick fantasy is a world where all white woman are breeding with black men. In reality, this rarely ever happens, according to marriage stats 98.7% of white women are married to white men and are raising white children.
No. I wouldn't touch an Albino woman any more than I would a woman with cystic Fibrosis or Tay-Sachs Disease defects.
These woman need to get the treatment they've been denied by their psychotic male counterparts, ASAP!!!
Ok MelaninKing please describe the treatment you believe Whites particularly White women such as myself should be given for our "defect".
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Keep popping the Pills your White Male Majority has been pushing on you.
After all, with all of the data we've reviewed, it should be crystal clear the GOP has women's best interests at heart. They'll treat your symptoms to death. Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Keep popping the Pills your White Male Majority has been pushing on you.
After all, with all of the data we've reviewed, it should be crystal clear the GOP has women's best interests at heart. They'll treat your symptoms to death.
Will you just answer the question please? I repeat, describe this "treatment" that you believe we Whites particularly White women need to undergo to take care of this "albino problem". BTW the only pills I take are Centrum Vitamins (the Women's Formula).
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Keep popping the Pills your White Male Majority has been pushing on you.
After all, with all of the data we've reviewed, it should be crystal clear the GOP has women's best interests at heart. They'll treat your symptoms to death.
Will you just answer the question please? I repeat, describe this "treatment" that you believe we Whites particularly White women need to undergo to take care of this "albino problem". BTW the only pills I take are Centrum Vitamins (the Women's Formula).
Brown bulls balls.... Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doxie is a very nice woman, I'm sure, but she is also a hopeless tease: note her conversations with malibudusul. Poor boy, what to make of a woman who says no, with an undercurrent of yes. Many a poor boy has found himself dead, or in prison as a result. Then again, perhaps Doxie is just showing symptoms of "jungle fever" in which case, those things that you mentioned Lion, might come in handy.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doxie is a very nice woman, I'm sure, but she is also a hopeless tease: note her conversations with malibudusul. Poor boy, what to make of a woman who says no, with an undercurrent of yes. Many a poor boy has found himself dead, or in prison as a result. Then again, perhaps Doxie is just showing symptoms of "jungle fever" in which case, those things that you mentioned Lion, might come in handy.
How the heck was I teasing Mali? I told him straight out I do NOT like Black guys. That's the problem with you Black men you think that every White woman wants you and won't take NO for an answer.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^To quote Madeline Kahn;
It's True, It's True!
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doxie is a very nice woman, I'm sure, but she is also a hopeless tease: note her conversations with malibudusul. Poor boy, what to make of a woman who says no, with an undercurrent of yes. Many a poor boy has found himself dead, or in prison as a result. Then again, perhaps Doxie is just showing symptoms of "jungle fever" in which case, those things that you mentioned Lion, might come in handy.
How the heck was I teasing Mali? I told him straight out I do NOT like Black guys. That's the problem with you Black men you think that every White woman wants you and won't take NO for an answer.
DHD
You need lots and lots of melanin and melatonin... lol! There is your cure, period!
In the recent past, your ancestors ate the bodies of the Pharaohs, also called mumia.
Today, they extract melatonin from the brain of dead black people, or aborted black babies, and sell as pills.
Samma of the albino girls I know..., from brown bulls balls....
Lion!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doxie is a very nice woman, I'm sure, but she is also a hopeless tease: note her conversations with malibudusul. Poor boy, what to make of a woman who says no, with an undercurrent of yes. Many a poor boy has found himself dead, or in prison as a result. Then again, perhaps Doxie is just showing symptoms of "jungle fever" in which case, those things that you mentioned Lion, might come in handy.
How the heck was I teasing Mali? I told him straight out I do NOT like Black guys. That's the problem with you Black men you think that every White woman wants you and won't take NO for an answer.
According to recent dating site research, 1 million surveyed, 95% of white woman only seek a white male partner. Only 5% 'approach' a black man.
In a nutshell 95% of white woman reject black men, and 70% of black woman are single as black men reject them. So you end up with loads of sexually frustrated single black males, it's why most their anger is directed at white men through envy.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^In an incident not too long ago, an Albino girl, in a conversation with an Albino male, admitted that she would consider a Black partner for sex.
She barely lived to tell the tale.
So much for YOUR surveys.
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
White women want black men
But they can not admit then transforms to love to hate everyone know hate excessive it is love Freud explains.
They love this chocolate skin He wants to lick bite, suck. But they can not then cashing his anger on us
This is very normal mistreat people you love. Who ever did this?
She refuses to date a black but she meant yes It is sad inside And this becomes a vicious circle she can not stop mistreating blacks. When she is mistreating she's saying: "Save Me, Please" "I love the black" "I want to marry with a "
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
Completing.
She wants to smell Biting (She wants to take a piece) _________________________________________
99% OF WHITE GIRLS SUCK YOUR FINGER WHEN TO SEE A Black!
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
I do not know if you have read this news Julia Gillard Prime Minister of Australia could not hide his love for obama! She is passionate by obama. She must have been repressed in adolescence She loves black boy!
I support that she can a black man and be very happy She is completely in love! This course! when she returned home She must have really sucked the finger and Nail Biting even bleed
In the black empire we'll take care of the whites. Women are well maintained as I said. The world belongs to black people The original people. Black people The world should be governed by black people The whites will be treated well but they must be controlled because they have the devil in the body.
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
this is really happening scene. I would like to see This colorful painting
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
he appears to be mentally ill
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: he appears to be mentally ill
He's just an insecure black guy who's been rejected so many time by white girls. Hence he's resorted to harassing a white female (DHdoxies) on this board with vile sex comments. Furthermore he admitted in his spare time he stalks white blondes on twitter.
He's just a dirty sex pest.
His treatment should be castration.
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
You do not understand anything!
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Lioness I don't see the issue you have. If Europeans are primarily descended from an ancestor that had a quasi-albino mutation why is that provacative or racist? It simply means that they came into existent in a very short time period. Not a slow depigmentation of the skin over a 100,000 year period. It simply means that we are closer related as a species than what the Darwinist European theorists thought.
It means that for the most part, Europeans are depigmented Black Africans that traveled up the Nile into Europe around 50,000. Depigmentation occurred in a bottleneck as expected from their lack of genetic diversity.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ Negroids are the recent mutation, not Caucasoids.
Oldest Negroid skeleton, only 12k years. lol.
Mauny, 1978:
The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.
Phillipson, 2005:
A single human skeleton some 12,000 years old from the lowest level of Iwo Eleru has been described as already showing specifically negroid features....
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
White People Lice!
Is This Good Hair?
Yes good for lice
Lice love
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Negroids are the recent mutation, not Caucasoids.
Oldest Negroid skeleton, only 12k years. lol.
Mauny, 1978:
The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.
Phillipson, 2005:
A single human skeleton some 12,000 years old from the lowest level of Iwo Eleru has been described as already showing specifically negroid features....
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
Niger Congo people are a mixture of Africans and very diverse. Pygmy influence is not that significant. There is also significant Ethiopid influence.
This thread is talking about skin pigmentation and not facial form. So I am not sure why you brought up Caucasian facial features?
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
RACE is all about, Albino feelings of "abnormality" and ISOLATION from the rest of humanity. This is the basis of the isolation Ashkenazi Jews (Cagots) have for the rest of Humanity. The long term psychological trauma from this isolation has led to insanity in the Ashkenazi populace. The ultimate "Them Against US" paranoid delusional response to their genetic rejection.
The sudden and shocking revelation of one's genetic disposition can be psychologically challenging when coming to the realization that the whole of the previous "racial" understanding(s) are Untrue & FABRICATED.
The psychological trauma of the sudden new awareness can be as traumatic to the effected party very similar to the symptoms observed in Death patients, where a series of phases of realization are observed before acceptance.
These phases represent the gradual and acceptance of the death of the false/illusionary reality, and replacement with the more realistic reality of being.
A similar "grief-cycle" has also been developed that describes the stages a person goes through upon the death of a family member or close friend. It is really more accurate to use the word "phases" because people do not go through the grief process in an orderly manner.
The first phase is shock . Similar to learning of a terminal illness, the first reaction of a person who is told that a loved one has died is, "No." A feeling of numbness sets in. Some people simply say that life seems unreal.
The second phase is denial. We are a death denying society. Even our language tends to deny the reality of death by using terms such as "passed away" instead of the word "dead." We want to deny that death has taken place. In the denial phase, people hope that it isn't true. They may feel like this is just a bad dream and when they wake up, every thing will be all right. However, healing from grief can not take place until the person is past this step and has accepted the reality of death.
The third phase is anger. Once our minds accept the fact that death has indeed taken place, anger usually erupts. Again, this anger may be directed at God (which for a religious person results in a feeling of guilt for feeling that way about the Almighty) or it may be directed to doctors, medicine in general, another family member or even directed inwards ("If only I had�"). Again, guilt enters. Anger may also be directed at the world in general. "How can everyone just go about their business when such a tragedy has just happened?"
The fourth phase is mourning. This is usually the longest lasting phase. It can last for months or years. It may be characterized by feelings of depression, continued guilt, physical illness, loneliness, panic, and periods of crying triggered for no apparent reason.
The fifth phase is recovery. Some would not call this phase recovery, because it can be said that one never "recovers" from a death. Death changes our lives forever. Things will never be "right" again. Although the pain of death will diminish in time, it never goes away. We will always long for a person we truly loved. But at some point, we usually find ourselves re-establishing our lives and moving on. This describes acceptance, that is finally embraced ass "truth" in this phase.
The psychological impact of the collapse of the White supremacy myth Albinos have erected to help reverse their ancient history of ejection by "normal" mankind has developed to have a life of it's own. It can only be expected that exposure of this false reality as "myth & lies" will initially have an inverse impact on the "white" populace in the same manner as any other "death" of a long term, embraced, family member. At present, the majority of Whites (Albinos) are in the first, second, third phases and a few, the fourth phase of acceptance of the death of the per-fabricated lie of, White (Albino) Genetic Supremacy.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Negroids are the recent mutation, not Caucasoids.
Oldest Negroid skeleton, only 12k years. lol.
Mauny, 1978:
The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.
Phillipson, 2005:
A single human skeleton some 12,000 years old from the lowest level of Iwo Eleru has been described as already showing specifically negroid features....
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
Keep in mind I use the term Black in a political sense. Capsoid people are socially a Black people. A very famous one being Nelson Mandela.
Nelson Mandela has very Mongoloid features but nevertheless a very famous Black man.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Lioness I don't see the issue you have. If Europeans are primarily descended from an ancestor that had a quasi-albino mutation why is that provacative or racist? It simply means that they came into existent in a very short time period. Not a slow depigmentation of the skin over a 100,000 year period. It simply means that we are closer related as a species than what the Darwinist European theorists thought.
It means that for the most part, Europeans are depigmented Black Africans that traveled up the Nile into Europe around 50,000. Depigmentation occurred in a bottleneck as expected from their lack of genetic diversity.
The problem is the terminology used and I have already explained it thoroughly
^^^ when did the ancestor's of these woman become light skinned? Did it happen gradually from a point 6,000 years ago or did it happen gradually from a point 50,000 years ago or 100,000 years ago? Regardless Biologists don't describe this process involving thosuands of years (take your pick as to how many thousands of) as "quasi-albino mutation" The word "albino' is not used. Albinism is a birth defect that is sudden and the offspring look drastically different form the the parents skin complexion. Albinism is not adaptation to the environment. In Africa where the birth defect is most common albinism is particularly disadvantageous and clearly not an adapataion to the environment.
If you read mainstream biological theories on skin depigmentation they don't use the word :"albinism" Their theory is called the Vitamin D Hypothesis and attempts to explain why for example, Khosians are generally lighter than equatorial Africans. It's a hypothesis, a best guess, not proven. The title of this thread is racist because it does not indicate an alternate theory is a theory. Instead of saying "the Albinism Theory of Skin Depigmentation" or something like this it focuses exclusively on whites and states an alternative theory as fact: WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS (and written in capital letters to shock you)
and to drive home further the idea that white people are a diseased "race" the word "endemic" is used which is often used to describe diseases. So the title of the thread instead of being "the Albinism Theory of Skin Depigmentation" it is saying basically: WHITES ARE A DISEASED PEOPLE
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Regardless Biologists don't describe this process involving thosuands of years (take your pick as to how many thousands of) as "quasi-albino mutation" The word "albino' is not used.
Albinism is a birth defect that is sudden and the offspring look drastically different form the parents skin complexion.
Once one progresses beyond the Denial stage of acceptance, then one may acknowledge and accept the actual definition of their illness.
Albinism Symptoms By Mayo Clinic staff
Signs of albinism are usually, but not always, apparent in a person's skin, hair and eye color. Regardless of the effect of albinism on appearance, all people with the disorder experience vision impairments.
Skin Although the most recognizable form of albinism results in milky white skin, skin pigmentation can range from white to brown, and may be nearly the same as that of parents or siblings without albinism.
For some people with albinism, skin pigmentation never changes. For others, melanin production may begin or increase during childhood and adolescence, resulting in slight changes in pigmentation. With exposure to the sun, some people may develop:
Freckles Moles, with or without pigment Large freckle-like spots (lentigines) The ability to tan
Hair Hair color can range from very white to brown. People of African or Asian descent who have albinism may have hair color that is yellow, reddish or brown. Hair color may also change by early adulthood.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness please note:
Disease: :a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady.
Melanin:
Melanin is a pigment that is ubiquitous (existing or being everywhere at the same time: constantly encountered in nature), being found in most organisms (spiders are one of the few groups in which it has not been detected). In animals melanin pigments are derivatives of the amino acid tyrosine.
(spiders and pure White people, are one of the few groups in which it has not been detected)
The increased production of melanin in human skin is called melanogenesis. Production of melanin is stimulated by DNA damage induced by UVB-radiation, and it leads to a delayed development of a tan.
In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color. It is also found in hair, the pigmented tissue underlying the iris of the eye, and the stria vascularis of the inner ear. In the brain, tissues with melanin include the medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, and pigment-bearing neurons within areas of the brainstem, such as the locus coeruleus and the substantia nigra.
Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. Albinism results from inheritance of recessive gene alleles and is known to affect all vertebrates, including humans. While an organism with complete absence of melanin is called an albino
Lioness - these are Albino definitions NOT Black definitions - what's your problem? Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
Regardless Biologists don't describe this process involving thosuands of years (take your pick as to how many thousands of) as "quasi-albino mutation" The word "albino' is not used.
Albinism is a birth defect that is sudden and the offspring look drastically different form the parents skin complexion.
Albinism Symptoms By Mayo Clinic staff
Signs of albinism are usually, but not always, apparent in a person's skin, hair and eye color. Regardless of the effect of albinism on appearance, all people with the disorder experience vision impairments.
Skin Although the most recognizable form of albinism results in milky white skin, skin pigmentation can range from white to brown, and may be nearly the same as that of parents or siblings without albinism.
Of note here:
1) pigmentation can range from white to brown, and may be nearly the same as that of parents or siblings without albinism.
^^^This is a good debunk on you and Mike. It means that calling any person with a light or pale skin tone "albino" is incorrect in that a sibling may look the same as another sibling yet one is albino and another is not. So the simple minded way Mike applies the term "albino" to any light skinned European is idiotic.
2) all people with the disorder experience vision impairments.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness please note:
Albinism results from inheritance of recessive gene alleles and is known to affect all vertebrates, including humans. While an organism with complete absence of melanin is called an albino
Mike maybe it's you who have not noted that. Yes, albinism is defined by inheritance of recessive gene alleles
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness - these are Albino definitions NOT Black definitions - what's your problem?[/b]
"Albino" is not an African word and the "Black definitions" you speak is merely the defintion of a loner living in their grandmother's windowless basement. Actual black folk don't define things the way you do
_______________________________________ "People used to abuse me on the road when I took the buses to school. They would run after me - crowds of kids following me - shouting 'zeru, zeru'." "Zeru" is a Swahili word for albino. Tanzania's albino society says that traditionally, this is a word for ghost-like creatures and is derogatory. Since the beginning of 2000, the word has been banned. Ms Kway-Geer says she hopes to educate people about albinism to end the discrimination, and called for a census of albino people. "First we must find out how many albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health," she said. Albinos are at particular risk from skin cancer and often suffer from poor eyesight.
Biography :
Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer became Tanzania's first Albino Member of parliament, last year. She has campaigned against the targeting of the minorities and has adopted several Albino children.
As outrage over the killings and maiming of Albinos grew, President Jakaya Kikwete appointed an Albino woman, Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer, to parliament in 2008. Albinism, a genetic disorder affecting around one in 3,000 people in Tanzania that causes a loss of pigmentation in the skin, hair and eyes.
With their sunburned skin, yellowing hair and pale blue eyes, African Albinos stand out from the crowd. Simply being out in the equatorial sun is painful and can be deadly: Many Albinos in Africa will die of skin cancer before their 30th birthday.
However, in Tanzania (and neighboring Burundi) they might be lucky to reach that age because of a gruesome trade in Albino body parts that has emerged in recent years. Scores of Albinos have been murdered so that witchdoctors can use their skin and body parts to make potions, that they claim bring wealth and good fortune.
There is no word for Albino in the local Kiswahili language, instead they are called "zeru," which means ghost. So was told a reporter from the BBC. Al-Shymaa was surprised at being nominated by the president, however her determination to fight the discrimination that she and other people with Albinism suffer is her driving force.
Twenty people with albinism have been murdered in the past year in Tanzania, where there is a widespread belief that the condition is the result of a curse.
Nevertheless, a crackdown on the witch doctors who encourage the killing of people with Albinism was recently announced - and as part of this, 48-year-old Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer was appointed. "It was something very great for me - I didn't expect it," Ms Kway-Geer told BBC World Service's Outlook programme. "I think the president chose me because he believed in me - I'm a very hard-working woman. "The president chose me at this time, when Albinos are being killed and abused."
Instead of having dark skin and black hair, people with Albinism are blond with pale skin, because their skin lacks pigment.
As well as the belief that Albinism is a curse, witch doctors in the country use body parts from Albinos in magic potions, they claim will bring people good luck or fortune. Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer, says, we must find out how many Albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health.
Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer was herself victimised when young, "When I was at primary school, people used to laugh at me, tease me - some didn't even like to touch me, saying that if they touched me they would get this colour," she said. "People used to abuse me on the road when I took the buses to school. They would run after me - crowds of kids following me - shouting 'zeru, zeru'." "Zeru" is a Swahili word for Albino.
Tanzania's Albino society says that traditionally, this is a word for ghost-like creatures and is derogatory. Since the beginning of 2000, the word has been banned. Ms Kway-Geer says she hopes to educate people about Albinism to end the discrimination, and called for a census of albino people. "First we must find out how many Albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health," she said.
Albinos are at particular risk from skin cancer and often suffer from poor eyesight. "Many albinos are poor, and therefore they need help from the government,"said Mrs Kway-Geer
___________________________________________
Mike you call Africans ignorant Negroes yet you promote the same ignorant superstitious views that SOME Africans have about albinos.
Tanzania's first elected albino lawmaker Salum Khalfan Barwany (R) smiles as he poses with his wife Fatuma (L) and their 6-year-old daughter Shuweikha (C) in the southeastern Tanzanian town of Lindi on Nov. 4, 2010.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
Regardless Biologists don't describe this process involving thosuands of years (take your pick as to how many thousands of) as "quasi-albino mutation" The word "albino' is not used.
Albinism is a birth defect that is sudden and the offspring look drastically different form the parents skin complexion.
Albinism Symptoms By Mayo Clinic staff
Signs of albinism are usually, but not always, apparent in a person's skin, hair and eye color. Regardless of the effect of albinism on appearance, all people with the disorder experience vision impairments.
Skin Although the most recognizable form of albinism results in milky white skin, skin pigmentation can range from white to brown, and may be nearly the same as that of parents or siblings without albinism.
Of note here:
1) pigmentation can range from white to brown, and may be nearly the same as that of parents or siblings without albinism.
^^^This is a good debunk on you and Mike. It means that calling any person with a light or pale skin tone "albino" is incorrect in that a sibling may look the same as another sibling yet one is albino and another is not. So the simple minded way Mike applies the term "albino" to any light skinned European is idiotic.
2) all people with the disorder experience vision impairments.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness please note:
Albinism results from inheritance of recessive gene alleles and is known to affect all vertebrates, including humans. While an organism with complete absence of melanin is called an albino
Mike maybe it's you who have not noted that. Yes, albinism is defined by inheritance of recessive gene alleles
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness - these are Albino definitions NOT Black definitions - what's your problem?[/b]
"Albino" is not an African word and the "Black definitions" you speak is merely the defintion of a loner living in their grandmother's windowless basement. Actual black folk don't define things the way you do
_______________________________________ "People used to abuse me on the road when I took the buses to school. They would run after me - crowds of kids following me - shouting 'zeru, zeru'." "Zeru" is a Swahili word for albino. Tanzania's albino society says that traditionally, this is a word for ghost-like creatures and is derogatory. Since the beginning of 2000, the word has been banned. Ms Kway-Geer says she hopes to educate people about albinism to end the discrimination, and called for a census of albino people. "First we must find out how many albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health," she said. Albinos are at particular risk from skin cancer and often suffer from poor eyesight.
Biography :
Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer became Tanzania's first Albino Member of parliament, last year. She has campaigned against the targeting of the minorities and has adopted several Albino children.
As outrage over the killings and maiming of Albinos grew, President Jakaya Kikwete appointed an Albino woman, Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer, to parliament in 2008. Albinism, a genetic disorder affecting around one in 3,000 people in Tanzania that causes a loss of pigmentation in the skin, hair and eyes.
With their sunburned skin, yellowing hair and pale blue eyes, African Albinos stand out from the crowd. Simply being out in the equatorial sun is painful and can be deadly: Many Albinos in Africa will die of skin cancer before their 30th birthday.
However, in Tanzania (and neighboring Burundi) they might be lucky to reach that age because of a gruesome trade in Albino body parts that has emerged in recent years. Scores of Albinos have been murdered so that witchdoctors can use their skin and body parts to make potions, that they claim bring wealth and good fortune.
There is no word for Albino in the local Kiswahili language, instead they are called "zeru," which means ghost. So was told a reporter from the BBC. Al-Shymaa was surprised at being nominated by the president, however her determination to fight the discrimination that she and other people with Albinism suffer is her driving force.
Twenty people with albinism have been murdered in the past year in Tanzania, where there is a widespread belief that the condition is the result of a curse.
Nevertheless, a crackdown on the witch doctors who encourage the killing of people with Albinism was recently announced - and as part of this, 48-year-old Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer was appointed. "It was something very great for me - I didn't expect it," Ms Kway-Geer told BBC World Service's Outlook programme. "I think the president chose me because he believed in me - I'm a very hard-working woman. "The president chose me at this time, when Albinos are being killed and abused."
Instead of having dark skin and black hair, people with Albinism are blond with pale skin, because their skin lacks pigment.
As well as the belief that Albinism is a curse, witch doctors in the country use body parts from Albinos in magic potions, they claim will bring people good luck or fortune. Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer, says, we must find out how many Albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health.
Al-Shymaa Kway-Geer was herself victimised when young, "When I was at primary school, people used to laugh at me, tease me - some didn't even like to touch me, saying that if they touched me they would get this colour," she said. "People used to abuse me on the road when I took the buses to school. They would run after me - crowds of kids following me - shouting 'zeru, zeru'." "Zeru" is a Swahili word for Albino.
Tanzania's Albino society says that traditionally, this is a word for ghost-like creatures and is derogatory. Since the beginning of 2000, the word has been banned. Ms Kway-Geer says she hopes to educate people about Albinism to end the discrimination, and called for a census of albino people. "First we must find out how many Albinos there are all over Tanzania, so that they get education and health," she said.
Albinos are at particular risk from skin cancer and often suffer from poor eyesight. "Many albinos are poor, and therefore they need help from the government,"said Mrs Kway-Geer
___________________________________________
Mike you call Africans ignorant Negroes yet you promote the same ignorant superstitious views that SOME Africans have about albinos.
Tanzania's first elected albino lawmaker Salum Khalfan Barwany (R) smiles as he poses with his wife Fatuma (L) and their 6-year-old daughter Shuweikha (C) in the southeastern Tanzanian town of Lindi on Nov. 4, 2010.
L, What the description actually implies is, white people are Albinos with either Stage 1 Albinism (OCA1), Stage 2, 3 or 4 Albinism. Even though their hair is black and their eyes may be brown, they are still Albinos and as susceptible to melanoma as any other albino.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
Melanotan-1 and Melanotan II are both synthetic versions of α- melanocyte stimulating hormone that were created, synthesized and developed at The University of Arizona and the Arizona Cancer Center. Melanotan-1 is a linear, full length peptide (containing all 13 amino acids). Melanotan II is a shortened, circular version of melanotan-1. Both Melanotan-1 and Melanotan II develop dermal pigmentation without sun exposure but because Melanotan II had libido enhancement and spontaneous erections as side effects, it is now being developed as a sexual and erectile dysfunction drug. Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
^ Shaddup Lionese, ya mangy Mutt!
Who says that only White people can invent and attach meaning to new "Oid" words? As it happens, Black people have a long history of creating descriptive "-Oid" words. Take one you are familiar with;
FREAKAZOID: It works so well when you walk the streets and someone yells "Hey Freakazoid!" You turn your freaky ass around and instinctively respond; "Huh?!?"
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Lioness I don't see the issue you have. If Europeans are primarily descended from an ancestor that had a quasi-albino mutation why is that provacative or racist? It simply means that they came into existent in a very short time period. Not a slow depigmentation of the skin over a 100,000 year period. It simply means that we are closer related as a species than what the Darwinist European theorists thought.
It means that for the most part, Europeans are depigmented Black Africans that traveled up the Nile into Europe around 50,000. Depigmentation occurred in a bottleneck as expected from their lack of genetic diversity.
The problem is the terminology used and I have already explained it thoroughly
^^^ when did the ancestor's of these woman become light skinned? Did it happen gradually from a point 6,000 years ago or did it happen gradually from a point 50,000 years ago or 100,000 years ago? Regardless Biologists don't describe this process involving thosuands of years (take your pick as to how many thousands of) as "quasi-albino mutation" The word "albino' is not used. Albinism is a birth defect that is sudden and the offspring look drastically different form the the parents skin complexion. Albinism is not adaptation to the environment. In Africa where the birth defect is most common albinism is particularly disadvantageous and clearly not an adapataion to the environment.
If you read mainstream biological theories on skin depigmentation they don't use the word :"albinism" Their theory is called the Vitamin D Hypothesis and attempts to explain why for example, Khosians are generally lighter than equatorial Africans. It's a hypothesis, a best guess, not proven. The title of this thread is racist because it does not indicate an alternate theory is a theory. Instead of saying "the Albinism Theory of Skin Depigmentation" or something like this it focuses exclusively on whites and states an alternative theory as fact: WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS (and written in capital letters to shock you)
and to drive home further the idea that white people are a diseased "race" the word "endemic" is used which is often used to describe diseases. So the title of the thread instead of being "the Albinism Theory of Skin Depigmentation" it is saying basically: WHITES ARE A DISEASED PEOPLE
It's being stated that the mutation started to take place around 10.000 years ago. If you use commonsense for once, you will understand.
But I doubt you will, since you lack commonsense.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_pisspot: ^ Negroids are the recent mutation, not Caucasoids.
Oldest Negroid skeleton, only 12k years. lol.
Mauny, 1978:
The oldest-known skeleton of a West African was found in Nigeria at Iwo Eleru; it is of a negroid man and is dated to 9250 ± 150 BC.
Phillipson, 2005:
A single human skeleton some 12,000 years old from the lowest level of Iwo Eleru has been described as already showing specifically negroid features....
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).
The more you post the dumber you look.
All you can do is repeat the same rubbish.
l-Barga reveals one of the most important necropoleis of the early Holocene in Africa.
This site was discovered in 2001 during a survey concentrating on the zones bordering the alluvial plain. The name el-Barga is borrowed from a nearby mountain. The site is located on an elevation formed by an outcrop of bedrock (Nubian sandstone) less than 15 km from the Nile, as the crow flies. It includes a settlement area dated to circa 7500 B.C. and cemeteries belonging to two distinct periods.
The habitation is a circular hut slightly less than five metres in diameter, its maximum depth exceeding 50 centimetres. This semi-subterranean structure contained a wealth of artefacts resulting from the site’s occupation (ceramics, grinding tools, flint objects, ostrich eggshell beads, a mother-of-pearl pendant, bone tools, faunal remains, shells). The abundance of artefacts discovered suggests a marked inclination towards a sedentary lifestyle, even though certain activities (fishing and hunting) necessitate seasonal migration.
North of this habitation, about forty burials were dated to the Epipalaeolithic (7700-7000 B.C.) and generally do not contain any furnishings. On the other hand, the Neolithic cemetery (6000-5500 B.C.) located further south comprises about a hundred burials often containing artefacts (adornment, ceramics, flint or bone objects).
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And depending on where tribes resided, it's dependable of their physical appearance, facial features.
The tribes at the site of Kibish look the pic beneath, and this is where the oldest remains were found. It's the Southeast of Ethiopia, near the so called border of Northern Kenya and guess what: South Sudan!
Interesting is however, that there at the site of Kibish you will find within several tribes, people with several facial features. Small noses, wide noses, thin lips, full lips etc....in all kinds of variety. Yet, these people belong to the oldests groups amoungst mankind.
Recent dating evidence re-establishes the Kibish fossils found in Ethiopia as the oldest modern human fossils known, at about 195,000 years.
The Kibish (Omo) fossils were found in 1967 in the Kibish region near the Omo River in Ethiopia. A partial skull and skeleton (Omo 1) and a skull lacking its face (Omo 2) were discovered in separate localities and dating techniques available at the time suggested they might be about 130,000 years old.
Herto skulls
In 2003 two partial and one nearly complete modern human skulls were found in Herto, Ethiopia, and were dated at about 160,000 years old. They were hailed as the oldest relatively complete and well-dated finds of our species Homo sapiens.
If someone could scan and post the rescinded images from page1. Not only that F12 no longer yields direct links to GOOGLE page images but that book itself is no longer available on GOOGLEBOOKS.
Thanks in advance.
Also note the VanSertima widow is not keeping all the journals in print.
Posted by Narmerthoth (Member # 20259) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: So far a lot of tooth gnashing and hand wringing but not even one attempt at falsifying any full paragraph context Finch proposal.
This means no one has found any part of Finch's Vitamin D - albinism hypothesis on the evolution of white skin in Europe to be unsound. There is only dislike for Finch's hypothesis.
Here it is again with the same invitation for any and all to pick one or all of its premises, quote such premise(s) in full paragraph context, and then disconfirm.
I regards to the embolden question above, the hypothesis is absurd when you consist the dynamic range of wavelengths in which Eumelanin captures solar radiation compared to white skin which becomes a narrowband filter to available solar energy capture.
Black/Brown Eumelanin is comprised of all of the wavelengths of the E-M spectrum and therefore can absorb energy from all of these sources, in Africa or Europe. If you de-pigment to white (actually red/pink), then you narrow the available wavelength to just within the red/yellow spectrum within visible light band, or approx. 600-700nm. So, essentially you go from having the ability to absorb ALL from Gamma to Radio to just a little fraction of the band within the visible spectrum within the lowest energy bandwidth. It doesn't take a math degree to see which melanin type absorbs the most energy in any environment.
What the proponents of this theory also neglect to state is for every action, there is a reaction. A reaction typical in whites who have lost large percentages of Eumelanin is, a greatly lowered immunity system. Not only is the available energy resource band limited, but the body also becomes susceptible to radiation damage from all other wavelengths outside of the Yellow/red wavelength. Hence, the need for limited direct sunlight exposure and toxic sunscreeen.
So, what the theory suggests is that nature depigmented whites at the expense of their immunity systems.
I don't know about you, but I really don't believe that natural selection works so haphazardly. Albinism byway of TYR/P-Gene mutation must have originated in Africa and the original migrants into Asia & Europe most certainly were comprised of waves of African Albinos.
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