I think one has to consider the statistics of these shootings of unarmed Black youth and pause. The shear number of lethal encounters when no lethal force was necessary and the person killed is of non-European ancestry.
However it is not as simple as claiming social bias. If there is a social bias its one that has been perpetuated by us rather than by Europeans.
For sake of this argument I will simply use the Japanese people.
Google: Japanese killed by police officer.
Did you find anything?
Compare that count to:
Google: Black killed by police officer.
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
So what makes the Japanese so strikingly different than people of African slave ancestry here in America?
The Japanese culture is one of conformity to authority. I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
If Black people would suddenly be more conformed to authority similar to Japanese, we would see a significant drop in Black killings. So it follows we should research the question of conformity. Why are Africans of slave ancestry in America significantly less conformed than the Japanese?
I hypothesize that it is due to a lack of father figures in the household of Americans of slave ancestry.
The number one social issue for people of slave ancestry in America: lack of a father figure in the home.
Divorce, Adultery, Incarceration, etc.
The one who is suppose to teach conformity to authority in the family is missing. As a result there is a significant challenge to pass on a cultural value system that develops conformity practices.
Let's support this thesis with some hard evidence.
What is the percentage of Japanese children raised without a father in the house?
The below shows a break out by major ethnic groups.
Non-Hispanic White 24% Black or African American 66% American Indian 52% Asian and Pacific Islander 16% Hispanic or Latino 41%
16% for Asians in general.
However: Only 1% of Japanese children are born "out of wedlock".
99% of Japanese Children have father figures at home. And I cannot find a single case of a Japanese person being shot by police for resisting arrest.
My conclusion is that the dysfunction of the Black family leads to non-conformist youths who do not respect authority because they never were taught to respect their father who should have been that authority figure.
Does any of this have any bearing on the Martin Trayvon case?
The police become cynical and bias by the non-conformity they see in Black youths. As a result their decision making is not fair and balance. This results in a cyclical issue in that police are bias against Blacks which results in more Black incarceration and family failure which then produces more non-conformed youths.
Brainstorm with me. How to stop this cycle?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
an interesting opinion, Osirion
Yet conformity has negative conotations. While conformity may make a society more "harmonious" it also may lack individualism and individulaism is what often leads to innovation. Japan and America are good examples of these opposites
The basic issue is, that to an extent for good reason, many African Americans don't trust European Americans. Many of us feel the system is rigged against us unfairly so many of us rebel against it. One of the ways of doing this is to ignore laws. But to do this at random as individuals is to play right into the sterotype of low expectations It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. And now through the gangsta mythology many have accepted this role, it has become noramalzed. Complaining at the same time as individuals has become an empty ritual in place of organization. And the rap superstars are the princes patted on the head for playing this role the best and modeling it to the youth. This type of "unity" is a unity of stagnation and mindless conformity pretending that petty law breaking is revolution. What needs to happen is for us to break apart to that new more progressive and positive identities can form. Conformity is the problem and it gets called "unity". We are so conformist within ourselves that we are scared to try new ways of being for fear it leads to disunity. But debate within our community like republicans vs democrats leads to relatively more working through issues. Black intellectuals need to organize more, take a higher profile, create artistic things completely apart from Hip Hop/gangsta culture. And this has to be done in an original way not an imitation of adaptation or white intellectuals. It's a mistake for black intellectuals to attempt to be hip with the popular culture.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Sweden is a nation where the out-of-wedlock births rivals that of U.S. blacks. Yet the quality of life and police attacks on Swedes is unheard of.
Promiscuity--i.e. endorsing the libertine life style is the norm is Sweden. Swedes believe that sexual freedom is like a human right.
The reason why the police--the internal security of a racist apartheid state--attack and kill blacks derives from sheer racism. Even when the marriage rate for blacks was quite high--during the days of segregation--blacks were still attacked and killed by vigilantes and the police.
Recall the Emett Till story and the rampaging violence of the KKK. Just that the police has now assumed the role of the KKK.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
One must bear in mind too that the U.S. as an Apartheid state has to find--in the modern era--a reason to continue killing blacks. It does so by setting up and maintaining the sociological conditions that would lead the police to have cause to kill blacks--usually for petty transgressions or no transgression at all.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
quote:I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
Yea but blacks were brought here for free labor. Asians were choosing to come to America. Asians also werent being allowed into America or were highly restricted. That by default sets a different way of viewing authority. Rich white folks had to demonize blacks harder and longer than Asians were cause again they were being forced to America for free labor. The attack on black men and the reason why blacks lack fathers is an extension of this ongoing problem not the cause of why blacks are skeptical of authority being in their best interest. Convincing the public of a black persons innate inferiority was important to make them to allow their own wages and opportunities for paid labor to be minimized. Many of the Asian groups that make Americas perception of Asia also see eye to eye with Europe on important philosophical issues in spite of their collectivist qualities. Ultimately the climate for them to maintain most of their collectivist attitudes was present.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I think one has to consider the statistics of these shootings of unarmed Black youth and pause. The shear number of lethal encounters when no lethal force was necessary and the person killed is of non-European ancestry.
However it is not as simple as claiming social bias. If there is a social bias its one that has been perpetuated by us rather than by Europeans.
For sake of this argument I will simply use the Japanese people.
Google: Japanese killed by police officer.
Did you find anything?
Compare that count to:
Google: Black killed by police officer.
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
So what makes the Japanese so strikingly different than people of African slave ancestry here in America?
The Japanese culture is one of conformity to authority. I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
If Black people would suddenly be more conformed to authority similar to Japanese, we would see a significant drop in Black killings. So it follows we should research the question of conformity. Why are Africans of slave ancestry in America significantly less conformed than the Japanese?
I hypothesize that it is due to a lack of father figures in the household of Americans of slave ancestry.
The number one social issue for people of slave ancestry in America: lack of a father figure in the home.
Divorce, Adultery, Incarceration, etc.
The one who is suppose to teach conformity to authority in the family is missing. As a result there is a significant challenge to pass on a cultural value system that develops conformity practices.
Let's support this thesis with some hard evidence.
What is the percentage of Japanese children raised without a father in the house?
The below shows a break out by major ethnic groups.
Non-Hispanic White 24% Black or African American 66% American Indian 52% Asian and Pacific Islander 16% Hispanic or Latino 41%
16% for Asians in general.
However: Only 1% of Japanese children are born "out of wedlock".
99% of Japanese Children have father figures at home. And I cannot find a single case of a Japanese person being shot by police for resisting arrest.
My conclusion is that the dysfunction of the Black family leads to non-conformist youths who do not respect authority because they never were taught to respect their father who should have been that authority figure.
Does any of this have any bearing on the Martin Trayvon case?
The police become cynical and bias by the non-conformity they see in Black youths. As a result their decision making is not fair and balance. This results in a cyclical issue in that police are bias against Blacks which results in more Black incarceration and family failure which then produces more non-conformed youths.
Brainstorm with me. How to stop this cycle?
In the 90s a friend of mine was shot in the face. This was in Brooklyn NY. So anyway, a second friend of ours (he was very muscular) picked up the friend with the bullet wound and ran with him toward Kings County Hospital. While running, he saw police officers in a cruiser. The guy holding the friend flagged them down and asked them to take him and the friend to the hospital. The cops put them in the cruiser, drove five blocks in the opposite direction of the hospital, laughed and told our friends to GET OUT. Needless to say, the friend with the bullet wound died that day.
Two puerto rican's in the bronx were robbing drug dealers. They did a string of these robberies. Finally cops cornered them in a apartment of two drug dealers. The two would be robbers laid down on the ground, and gave up with out any hassle. One of the cops on the scene put one bullet in the back of each of these guys' heads. Even the drug dealer who was being robbed testified that it was a assassination.
I know too many stories like this where minorities were not arguing with police, were not causing any sort of problem for the police and yet and still these savages do things that are criminal to the people they are supposed to be serving and protecting. There was a white guy in brooklyn, I think he was Italian. Anyway, he was beaten and sodomized with a police stick in a train station in brooklyn. The cops claimed the guy was smoking marijuana in public, even though he was in full site of the police which makes no damn sense. They claim they asked him to put it out and he didn't which in turn resulted in them sticking a damn police stick up his bum. These people do not care about color, they are just sick, demented savages.
I also remember another incident in South Florida where a kid who had down syndrome was beaten in his head with a police stick and he wasn't causing any problems. Tourist recorded the incident and came to the boys defense when these filthy savages tried to lie and say he attacked them. This kid was white by the way. I believe they asked him something and because of his condition he wasn't answering them. Because of his appearance it was very clear he had some sort of mental/physical issues.
I think your assessment of police is from a standpoint of a suburbanite. Your reality and the reality of those in the inner city (regardless of color) doesn't match up. Your talking about people who have a certain type of job they shouldn't. But that is done on purpose. These people have psychological assessments they have to go through before they get these jobs and these assessments pick out a certain breed of person.
I ran across this just now, and thought about your comment above...
smh
Shaun Winkler, White Supremacist, Running For Sheriff In Idaho
SANDPOINT, Idaho -- He has been an Aryan Nations member and Ku Klux Klan leader, and now Shaun Winkler wants to be the sheriff in a rural Idaho county near the Canadian border.
The white power activist is running as a Republican in the May 15 Bonner County primary to become the top law enforcement officer. Winkler said despite the white supremacist beliefs he holds as a KKK imperial wizard, his brand of justice would be color blind.
"In the event I was elected sheriff, I would not act on racial profiling," Winkler said. "Being in the white power movement, I know how it feels to be profiled by law enforcement."
Rather, Winkler is running on a platform that includes coming down hard on sex offenders and meth manufacturers, and reducing the impact of federal law enforcement at the county level.
Cornel Rasor, chairman of the county Republican Central Committee, doesn't see much appeal to Winkler's candidacy.
"The seven people that like him will vote for him," Rasor said. "I don't think he has a chance.'"
Bonner County is heavily Republican, with a large Tea Party following. But "there are very few Aryans here," Rasor said.
A human rights group leader urged local voters to reject Winkler.
"If the voters of Bonner County will turn out in large numbers to oppose Winkler's candidacy, they will be sending a clear message of opposition to all those who come to our great state to promote hate-filled ideologies," said Tony Stewart of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations, which, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center, put the Aryan Nations out of business with a lawsuit more than a decade ago.
Winkler, 33, was for years an associate of Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler, who ran for mayor of Hayden in 2003, the last time an admitted white supremacist appeared on a ballot in northern Idaho. Butler received only about 50 of the 2,300 votes cast in that election, Stewart said.
Winkler is running in the GOP primary against Sheriff Daryl Wheeler and Ponderay police officer Tim Fry. The winner will face independent Rocky Jordan in the November election.
Sandpoint, the county seat, is built along the shores of spectacular Lake Pend Oreille, and has a thriving tourist economy built around outdoor recreation and the arts. It shows up regularly on lists of the best small towns in the West.
But the area also has a history of radical and anti-government activism. The infamous Ruby Ridge standoff occurred about 20 miles north of here, and the Aryan Nations compound was about 30 miles south.
Kate McAlister, president of the Greater Sandpoint Chamber of Commerce, said Winkler is free to run for office, but his views do not reflect the majority in the area.
"Mr. Winkler does not in any way, shape or form represent Bonner County," McAlister said. "We are not exclusionary."
Bonner County, like much of the rest of the region, has a population that is overwhelmingly white – about 96 percent of the 40,000 residents.
Winkler moved to Priest River a year ago, and owns a landscaping business. He said he noticed immediately that there were large numbers of registered sex offenders and meth labs in the county.
He said he didn't think local law enforcement was taking the problems seriously enough and decided to file for sheriff.
Winkler, who has a Ron Paul sticker on his truck, has no law enforcement or military experience, which he considers a plus. He said he has been a registered Republican since the age of 18.
He considers himself a white separatist, who believes people of different races should live segregated lives.
Winkler picketed Mexican food carts in nearby Coeur d'Alene in 2011, and protested the annual Martin Luther King Jr. events at North Idaho College in January.
He believes his experiences in the white power movement are valuable.
"Most people in the white power movement are concerned about their neighborhoods," he said. "We oppose drugs, sex offenders and corruption in our areas."
He considers himself a mainstream candidate, but understands how others might not.
"Of the Republican candidates, I have the most controversy, but also have more of the traditional Republican values of patriotism," he said.
Winkler is married and the father of three young children.
For the past two years he has been the imperial wizard of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for the state of Idaho, a group he said has only a handful of members in the region.
He has been doing some face-to-face campaigning in the Priest River and Sandpoint areas.
"A lot of people are 100 percent with me," he said. "Or they say, `I don't agree with your racist beliefs, but I agree the FBI shouldn't have jurisdiction here, and sex offenders and meth are becoming a problem that shouldn't be ignored.'"
But, he also acknowledged, "I've had people who say: `I don't want nothing to do with you.'"
How come these brutality incidents are not causing "race riots?"
It's becasue our people have decided to accept a criminal identity. We sing songs on the radio about being drug dealing thing and through that become superstars.
We love to sing songs about being drug dealers and gat poppers.
So when something racist happens part of us feels like we deserved it a little bit even though we will talk like we are protesting.
And those of us who don't like this are afraid to really separate our identity from it too strongly for fear it's "disunity"
With a black president and former black Secretry of State it's ridiculous to call America an "Apatheid state". You can call them puppets if you want but they simply would never be in the positions at all in an Apatheid state. But what makes an apatheid state an apartheid state are clear cut racially discrimintory laws. Of course America is a former apartheid state and there are remnants of it. But it confuses the definition of an apartheid state, which is defined by certain laws, to be calling America an apartheid state today.
Swiss demographics can't be compared to American demographics. Tribalist aggression occurs when a population is large enough to be seen as threatening or competative with the majority population. It's a tipping point. When this population reaches a critical mass tribalist aggression, racism one of it's forms, emerges
We of African descent have a whole continent, Africa to build on. Maybe we could learn something from Swiss economics but we must bring that knowledge into African development. South Africa, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya I think we should pick one of these states and focus our input on it to make it a model for the diaspora and build from there. So farmost AA's are so ashamed of being African we cannot project our love to to help raise up our homeland. Focusing on ancient Egyptian culture is not going to help us. It is a culture that dies out 2000 years ago. Most of our brothers and sisters are in West Africa. We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
Instead we have become a people that is forever waiting around to react to something not learning to move forward. Having said this in the meantime we need to boycott until Ziimerman goes up for manslaughter charges. The police told him not to follow but he did it anyway. At the least a man like this has no right to carry a gun
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Of course the U.S. is an Apartheid state. The mulatto guy the Jews and some liberal whites put in was simply politics geared towards the Third World and Africa.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Of course the U.S. is an Apartheid state. The mulatto guy the Jews and some liberal whites put in was simply politics geared towards the Third World and Africa.
So an apartheid state has to put in a black president to appeal to the "Third World" and "Africa" ? And you are corrupting the definition of an Apartheid state. An Apatheid state has legally enforced racial segregation and discriminatory unenequal laws. You are missapplying the term as a critique. Jews are 2% of the U.S. population. If they had the power to put a Jew in as president they would have a long time ago and beamed with pride about it. Of course I'm sure you have a conspiratorial explanation why they didn't. You can alsway come up with one for any situation. And when I say "Jew" I don't mean someone who is half Jewish ancestry. I mean someone who as president says they are Jewish, and they go to a synagogue on a regular basis. If they were able to do that it would make Jews feel very proud and empowered. But they have not been able to do it yet. Why? Because the U.S. is primarily Christian. The Jews have some power but people hype it up because they are a much smaller group of white people to deal with. But It's an illusion and it's supported by white suremacist mythology, in other words traditional conservative America
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: How come these brutality incidents are not causing "race riots?"
It's becasue our people have decided to accept a criminal identity. We sing songs on the radio about being drug dealing thing and through that become superstars.
We love to sing songs about being drug dealers and gat poppers.
So when something racist happens part of us feels like we deserved it a little bit even though we will talk like we are protesting.
And those of us who don't like this are afraid to really separate our identity from it too strongly for fear it's "disunity"
With a black president and former black Secretry of State it's ridiculous to call America an "Apatheid state". You can call them puppets if you want but they simply would never be in the positions at all in an Apatheid state. But what makes an apatheid state an apartheid state are clear cut racially discrimintory laws. Of course America is a former apartheid state and there are remnants of it. But it confuses the definition of an apartheid state, which is defined by certain laws, to be calling America an apartheid state today.
Swiss demographics can't be compared to American demographics. Tribalist aggression occurs when a population is large enough to be seen as threatening or competative with the majority population. It's a tipping point. When this population reaches a critical mass tribalist aggression, racism one of it's forms, emerges
We of African descent have a whole continent, Africa to build on. Maybe we could learn something from Swiss economics but we must bring that knowledge into African development. South Africa, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya I think we should pick one of these states and focus our input on it to make it a model for the diaspora and build from there. So farmost AA's are so ashamed of being African we cannot project our love to to help raise up our homeland. Focusing on ancient Egyptian culture is not going to help us. It is a culture that dies out 2000 years ago. Most of our brothers and sisters are in West Africa. We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
Instead we have become a people that is forever waiting around to react to something not learning to move forward. Having said this in the meantime we need to boycott until Ziimerman goes up for manslaughter charges. The police told him not to follow but he did it anyway. At the least a man like this has no right to carry a gun
you sound so stupid. I doubt you are of the diaspora and if you are, then you are what I call a Afro-anglo. Let me be clear, by that I mean a person of African decent who is fully european in mentality and culture.
Blacks in America have been kicked for a VERY long time and the situation for those in low income areas in the inner cities have only declined. When Luima was sodomized by those damn NYPD savages, people marched from uptown to Brooklyn. He was given a settlement, but did things really change? We still had Brothers Sean Bell, Ahmadu Diallo, Ramarly Graham, and MANY others, to many to name. Rioting wont do anything and it seems neither will marching. I have my opinion on what it will take but I am not going to say what I think that is.
If the diaspora was smart they would start educating themselves on their homeland, finding the Africanisms that still exist within their respective cultures to reacquaint themselves with their fathers, educate themselves in some secular knowledge be it engineering, M.D., I.T. etc and then find their way back to the continent. Staying here only helps these devils who reign hell down on their heads and backs.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
I just made the same point about African development and you are just mad I did it beofre you so now you are copying.
The thing is that many African Americans feel there are more opportunities in America despite a certain level of ongoing racism and that for that reason it is more worthwile to stay in America.
typeZeiss, your mother raisedf you as a snob, you act snobby to everybody in this site, not just me and now you're copying my shyt
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
In the NW, we have a situation where people of European ancestry are killing others of the same kind for shop lifting.
Non-conformity is not just an African American issue.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: I just made the same point about African development and you are just mad I did it beofre you so now you are copying.
The thing is that many African Americans feel there are more opportunities in America despite a certain level of ongoing racism and that for that reason it is more worthwile to stay in America.
typeZeiss, your mother raisedf you as a snob, you act snobby to everybody in this site, not just me and now you're copying my shyt
I am a African and as such I am a classist and I have no problem with admitting that. Certain people shouldn't mix up with others (has nothing to do with color on this point). I am also raised to speak on what I know and keep quiet on what I don't know. A value many on this site seem to lack. As for me "copying you", your taking the piss, am I right?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Black folks being killed and suffering injustice has fuk-all to do with conforming to any thing they were killing black folks during slavery,post slavery after a brief period of reconstruction, laws were made to further dehumanize and humiliate Blacks giving rise to utter contempt and hence lynching and the collecting of body parts T&R had an excellent thread on that,some of it was fear of competition from blacks..ex Black Wall street and Rose Wood. New White Migrants especially the Irish saw blacks who would move to the north as their primary competitors. http://video.pbs.org/video/2176766758 Clik here for an excellent vid on the matter of post slavery America.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^yeah but more way Afrcian Americans get killed by other African Americans than they do by European Americans
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
A more recent phenomena, when hate,contempt and continued marginalization turned inwards,but the thread header started with The Truth: Why Blacks Suffer Injustice..my answer to the question was the above post.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^yeah but more way Afrcian Americans get killed by other African Americans than they do by European Americans
I think crime is ussually ethno-based but it doesn't justify a killing by anyone else from another ethnicgroup.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
quote:So an apartheid state has to put in a black president to appeal to the "Third World" and "Africa" ? And you are corrupting the definition of an Apartheid state. An Apatheid state has legally enforced racial segregation and discriminatory unenequal laws.
The mulatto guy was pushed into trhe presidency thing by 2 Jews, Soros and Kerry. Plus some others. They arranged it so he got the millions from Wall Street necessary to run this extremely expensive campaign.
After Bush 2, the U.S. needed a new gloss to confront the world. China was pushing in to Africa so U.S imperialism had to find the right agent to bamboozle those African governments. A mulatto guy with a proclaimed Kenyan connection has a better chance of selling AFRICOM than a regular pink-skinned guy.
They just packaged the guy with the right slogans: "Hope and Change" , "Yes, We Can", etc., and a lot of naive fools in search of some messiah just fell for it.
LOL, the end result: no hope, no change, no, you can't! LOL.
The U.S. is in fact an Apartheid state--as the residential, schooling, and job statistics inform. "Apartheid" just means "separate development". It fit's the U.S. to a T. As a result blacks live on average 8-10 years less than whites, spend more years locked away in jail, have higher infant mortality rates, higher recession level unemployment rates, etc. Looks likes 2 separate societies to me.
Forget the silly chatter about "democracy" and all that. Furthermore--and very importantly so--the LAWS and LEGAL JUSTICE--are very unevenly applied--from the death penalty down to shooting and killing blacks and walking away with a pat on the back.
What ultimately counts is reality not theory.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
^Black people are feeble-minded but that is because they never got a chance to grow up and think for themselves and do for themselves. They have been "forced" into a dependent state and thus have a harder time with responsiblity. To say that blacks are killed because they don't conform is a lie. Blacks ALWAYS have to conform and everything they do is never right. Of course their coolness is good but that gets taken from them and get credited to white people.
The U.S. political, educational, economic, housing, health, entertainment, media, and any other sector of the U.S. system was and is designed to keep blacks in their low-class, second-class citizen state. Those who do better giving the appearance of 'conformity' are those who sacrifice their souls and succeed by benefiting whites while devasting blacks. In other words, those blacks are rewarded for hurting other blacks or turning their backs on blacks in the name of conformity.
Black people shouldn't have to kill their soul, dishonor their belief, hate their people, be ashamed of being black just to obey national laws that they were born into.
Blacks do have a serious behavior problem, but just like children they are helpless and have no choice but to follow who's in charged, but that always works against them. It's a case of damn if you do and damn if you don't.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to.
'Cept African Americans were never completely stripped of traditional West African cultures.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
My wife is Korean and I am Black but we look exactly like each other in terms facial features.
Your stupid book smarts make you blind.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
I think you all are missing something critical. Black men are not fathers. You can talk about Europeans and everything else but this fact is inescapable.
Japanese = 1% of children with no father. Black American = 66% of children with no father.
Japanese arrested and put in jail = 1% Black Americans arrested and put in jail = 66%
There is no one but ourselves to blame. Listen to our music and consider our ways. This is our choice and it is a bad one.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Osirion it is you are not listening when did this action of some black males to be absent fathers came into being I but you did not even bother cliking on the link I provided.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
My wife is Korean and I am Black but we look exactly like each other in terms facial features.
Your stupid book smarts make you blind.
Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
You appear to be a very insecure Black guy (although didn't you claim you have some mixed ancestry?) who has married outside of his race to a Korean, so now is claiming blacks look like koreans in a sad attempt to justify it... Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Anglo_Pyramidiot
quote:Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features.
quote:Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
This boy just love making sh!t-up!
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
My wife is Korean and I am Black but we look exactly like each other in terms facial features.
Your stupid book smarts make you blind.
Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
You appear to be a very insecure Black guy (although didn't you claim you have some mixed ancestry?) who has married outside of his race to a Korean, so now is claiming blacks look like koreans in a sad attempt to justify it...
I said my wife and I look very much alike in terms of facial features:
lips, nose, eyes, checks, chin.
She has a completely different shape head being that it is round while mine is tall and narrow.
Not sure what you mean by mixed ancestry? I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
Actually at work we had a Nigerian contractor who looked exactly like a Vietnamese guy we have working here.
If you look further than skin deep, Orientals and Africans have a lot in common in terms of common features but no in term of craniometrics. That is why the Mongoloid Olmecs look like Africans.
Mongoloid is a dumb term anyway. Those oids make people stupid as if racial features are discrete and only found in one group of people or another.
Dumb dumb dumb.
I said Black men should be Fathers and said nothing about who they should fall in love with. This is America, fall in love is a choice that shouldn't be political.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
what country is your black jewish ancestry from?
,
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Osirion it is you are not listening when did this action of some black males to be absent fathers came into being I but you did not even bother cliking on the link I provided.
I understand it is part of the slave heritage of African Americans and the apartheid system here. But that was then and this is now. We are the ones perpetuating the culture of slavery. Its in our music and out attitude towards women in terms of fatherhood. Not like the Japanese folks aren't freaks! They like to get it on. They enjoy sex and are a very sexual oriented people in way I don't see Blacks doing. Not saying Blacks are more sexually active or anything like that.
I am saying we don't have a culture of fatherhood.
The Japanese apparently strongly believe in a father figure in the home. Is this a choice the women make to sacrifice their identity to keep the man?
My point was - what should we as Africans do to break the cycle? Doesn't matter who is to blame.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
what country is your black jewish ancestry from?
,
Well actually I am Sephardic Jewish on my Mother side from Southern Morocco. Of course they don't go around calling themselves Black over there but here they recognize that they are Black. Black over there are the Haratians and they are the servant class. I assume my folks are mixed with Sephardic Jews and Haratian but not according to my folks. They can pass as Mexican or even Portuguese I suppose but they claim to be Black Americans because that is there experience here.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Who don't have a culture of father hood Osirion your father did not run off neither did mine nor did most of my friends and even when separated from wives remains active in their kids life. you act as if thug's life is representative of Black men's life. I have a question are there more blacks who are middle/working class than black poor and under class? I am speaking before the financial meltdown three and a half yrs ago.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Who don't have a culture of father hood Osirion your father did not run off neither did mine nor did most of my friends and even when separated from wives remains active in their kids life. you act as if thug's life is representative of Black men's life. I have a question are there more blacks who are middle/working class than black poor and under class? I am speaking before the financial meltdown three and a half yrs ago.
I am not American. My culture is different and more traditional. My mother didn't work or even know how to drive a car.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Very thoughtful Bettyboo.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
@ Osirion so even though you were born in America you are not! American and remain aloof from the lot but ready to claim you are when they do great things. again is a thug's life representative of Black males? or is of a certain type in the underclass.
Mike you and Betty boo are full of sh!t
"The small number of acts of injustice that one finds there [in Mali]; for the Negroes are of all peoples those who most abhor injustice. The sultan pardons no one who is guilty of it. The complete and general safety one enjoys throughout the land. The traveller has no more reason than the man who stays at home to fear brigands, thieves or ravishers. The blacks do not confiscate the goods of white men [that is, of North Africans or Arabs] who die in their country, not even when these consist of big treasures. They deposit them, on the contrary, with a man of confidence among the whites until those who have a right to the goods present themselves and take possession.
These are among the most recent ancestors of western blacks,so please tell what happened to them in between the time of Ibn Battuta both in Africa and the America's to this point where instability reigns, and one had better lock your door chain your bike put that anti theft stick in your steering wheel,carry a gun. The problem with your types is you act as if history did not happened people flocked to the shores of America for precisely the same reasons they once flocked to West Africa from all over the globe for economic and educational opportunities, if anything the condition of Africans at home and abroad today should be a lesson that things change and sometimes for the worst.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
Mike you and Betty boo are full of sh!t
Why?
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: @ Osirion so even though you were born in America you are not! American and remain aloof from the lot but ready to claim you are when they do great things. again is a thug's life representative of Black males? or is of a certain type in the underclass.
Mike you and Betty boo are full of sh!t
"The small number of acts of injustice that one finds there [in Mali]; for the Negroes are of all peoples those who most abhor injustice. The sultan pardons no one who is guilty of it. The complete and general safety one enjoys throughout the land. The traveller has no more reason than the man who stays at home to fear brigands, thieves or ravishers. The blacks do not confiscate the goods of white men [that is, of North Africans or Arabs] who die in their country, not even when these consist of big treasures. They deposit them, on the contrary, with a man of confidence among the whites until those who have a right to the goods present themselves and take possession.
These are among the most recent ancestors of western blacks,so please tell what happened to them in between the time of Ibn Battuta both in Africa and the America's to this point where instability reigns, and one had better lock your door chain your bike put that anti theft stick in your steering wheel,carry a gun. The problem with your types is you act as if history did not happened people flocked to the shores of America for precisely the same reasons they once flocked to West Africa from all over the globe for economic and educational opportunities, if anything the condition of Africans at home and abroad today should be a lesson that things change and sometimes for the worst.
Actually I was not born here. Technically I am a Afro-European and not an African American. I don't think the high divorce rate and illegitemate children is associated with a thug life. It is the slave culture that is perpetuated by African Americans which has actually gotten better from what I hear.
The rolling stone culture of the Black American male is infamous.
The Japanese believe strongly in an authoritative honor system and are polar opposites to Negroes in terms of culture. In fact, as you know, it is more likely that the Wife would be sent away rather than the children raised without a Father in a Japanese family. Koreans are somewhat the same as well. Divorce would mean that the Wife is expelled but the children remain with the family authority - the Father.
Black men of slave ancestry not only do not have a concept of honoring Women they do not honor themselves as the authority of the family. This being partially due to the disgrace of a slave ancestry. Black men could not protect their families and learned to compensate for this shame by glorifying their sexuality when in fact it is a disgrace to us.
We could learn a lot from the Japanese. We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi), it is time we learn family honor from the Japanese.
How can we as a people go from 66% of our children being raised with no father to only 1% like the Japanese?
That is the real question of this thread?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
What is the absentee father rates for say Barbados,and the Bahamas did not these populations have slave ancestors listen to hip hop or whatever?? while the rates are high for members in the AA communities it is increasingly so for Americans in general as compared to the 50ts and 60ts wanna blame that on hip hop too!!
quote:Black men of slave ancestry not only do not have a concept of honoring Women they do not honor themselves as the authority of the family. This being partially due to the disgrace of a slave ancestry. Black men could not protect their families and learned to compensate for this shame by glorifying their sexuality when in fact it is a disgrace to us.
Absolute Bull Sh!T
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ Hip hop? I never said anything is wrong with hip hop. It is what is specifically said in the music not the style.
"we want a lady in the street but a freak in the bed"
Why would a Black man glorify having a girl friend that is also a prostitute?
Also - what I am saying has been said before many times. Read WEB Dubois before calling what I said BS.
"rag city chick - tell that bitch to hop out, walk the boulevard, I need my money pronto. Need it in the morning like Alfonzo."
I just don't see Japanese doing this. They certainly have prostitutes in Japan and treat women in humiliating ways but it is not glorifyied as some sort of cultural value that should be passed on from generation to generation by veneration in music.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
What you said here make no sense you that right?
quote:They certainly have prostitutes in Japan and treat women in humiliating ways but it is not glorifyied as some sort of cultural value that should be passed on from generation to generation
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ aren't you Japanese? What is wrong with what I said? Japanese porno seems rather creepy and plan sick to me.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
@Brada
There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities.
When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people.
If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
Again the issue is 66% of our Black children have no fathers and 66% of our Black children end up in jail.
To ignore this reality is to invite a continuation of the cycle.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
You're a fvcking LIAR!!! Black people do not stand on the shoulders of fvcking Ghandi. Ghandi nor India hold a place in AA history or heritage. I never met a black person who gave credit to Ghandi. Black people never mention India or Ghandi in their history, legacy, or heritage. Ghandi has nothing to do with AA or the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement of the 60s was orchestrated by the government. It never was MLK idea to visit India or Ghandi; that was the U.S. government ORDERS. MLK didn't even believe in the shyt Ghandi believed and not once ever gave him credit. MLK came from a legacy of hardcore fighting black soldiers from the black community. What the fvck he needed from Ghandi. It damn sure wasn't wisdom or black issues or tolerance. No one can teach or preach black people tolerance. Black people are the most tolerant patient group this world has to offer. You keep reading those white books and listening to white people tell my people's story and your azz would get dismissed. India and Ghandi can eat the pussey of black women and suck on the dycks on black men. He nor India has a place in our history, culture, legacy, or heritage and you don't EITHER!!! Take your nonblack, mutt, Krakker, Asian, biracial, or whatever you are elsewhere. Try telling an AA to his face that the black collective of America stands on the shoulders of Ghandi and Ghandi is great and see if your azz don't get dismissed or killed. That Ghandi bullshyt probably work in Britain with those stupid inferior blacks. Try preaching that shyt in America to a black person and see if you don't get your azz handed to you. MLk before his death didn't even speak of Ghandi or gave credit to Ghandi. It is always the U.S. government or white people bringing up that Ghandi bullshyt. I have yet to hear any black historian or those who personally new MLK ever speak of Ghandi. MLK family don't even speak of Ghandi. MLK himself never spoke of Ghandi. Your azz can't be black especially when your learning of the black experience comes from the story and mouths of white people.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
^That's not necessarily true. Black immigrants would be able to immigrate but they wouldn't enjoy the privileges and benefits that are given to them under the banner of identifying as black or African American. I don't think Black immigrants understand that they take away a lot of privileges that are reserved for African-Americans. Black Africans and other blacks really don't have disrespect for blacks. Those who do are normally acting out of fear or trying to "conform" the best way they know how out of fear of losing privileges and in some cases minor advantages. They also afraid of being deported. In other cases, a lot of black Africans and other blacks keep their distance from black Americans because of cultural differences or class difference.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Swenet
quote:There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities. When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people. If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
I am not dumping everything on the black lower class,but the fact that depressed economic conditions is a big contributing factor in absent dads,especially if one was receiving welfare the father could not be in the home,and having out of wedlock babies was rewarded with more checks,that in essence builds itself into a cycle,but there is an over-all factor especially in America that the nuclear family as we knew it is disappearing couples are not staying together through thick and thin anymore..until death do us part??..No until I find fault!
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Osirion
quote:aren't you Japanese? What is wrong with what I said? Japanese porno seems rather creepy and plan sick to me.
First off I am not Japanese second you first claimed that blacks who listen to raunchy music be it blues or hip hip,is the reason for absenteeism but Japanese porn which is very very old and extremely misogynous,while creepy have no effect on Japanese male psyche,second all is not well in the land of the rising sun as far as traditional nuclear family goes..look up the term otaku.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
I knew he was a racist- thanks for saving me the time of bringing that up, lol...the other tings you mentioned I didn't know...
For those who don't know:
quote: #1 - Don't let the emotion of who you believe Gandhi to be to get in the way of actual facts.
#2 - Gandhi was a Hindu. Hindus believe in the caste system which states that individuals are born into castes and this is where they live and die.
#3 - Gandhi's early struggle in south Africa was predicated on the idea that Europeans should treat Indians better than they did because the Indians were better than Blacks
#4 - Gandhi has many published quotes where he refers to South African Blacks as lazy and aimless.
#5 - His views softened somewhat as he grew older but his campaign of non-violence was for the equal treatment of Indians, not Blacks.
#6 - Just because he employed the amazing strategy of non-violence doesn't mean he advocated for everyone.
#7 - Just because everyone employed his techniques of non-violence doesn't mean he approved of them, after all most who used his techniques came almost 20 - 40 years AFTER him.
#8 - Just because he was racist doesn't negate what he has done in the world, it only reaffirms the complicated ideals that occupy the human heart.
#9 - Just because your disappointed (as I was) to find this out, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Here are words recorded in multiple locations attributed to Gandhi.
"Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
"It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting - to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges."
"Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races, resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much?"
Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir1.
37. So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir
The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs2 who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.
Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
The most important reason why we should not assume that it is because of our frail physique that we are thought weak is that the Kaffirs are thought weak by the whites despite their superior physical strength. They are intellectually backward. They are unlettered and have no arts.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
^I can't help if you didn't like what I said. AA can't reconnect to anywhere where they never were connected to nor can they flock amongst a strange group without causing conflict. ALL AAs come from a family or heritage who has been "beaten down" by slavery and our attitude ought to show that lest we forget. At the same time, we don't need foregin blacks to tell us to ditch our culture to conform to theirs. Maybe you Africans with your colonial mentality think we should "just move on". You have a colonial mentality and seem to harbor the affects of such circumstances. You may not have a slave history (mockery of black Americans) but you certainly have a colonial history and culture. What AAs don't need is an African or any other foreign black telling AA what's best for them. You just made mockery of not having a slave history or culture due to you being African, but you DO have both including a colonial history and culture. Bytch you don't want to get into chest thumping with me. Is that's your defense against AA -- "I don't have a slave history or culture." How often you use that line.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
No tell me seh you really think that broad is a Black Woman smh...
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
truthandrights
I 100% disagree with #8.
What did he do? He didn't help india, and he didn't help the world. His motives were for HIS people. If I were a Indian, who benefited from whatever he supposedly did, then yeah, I may sing his praise. But he did nothing to help Africans so I don't give a rats arse about this bald headed, child molesting sodomite.
Africans and those of the diaspora really piss me off sometimes. We are way to willing to embrace everyone. this is stupid. I see it among African Muslims and christians so much. We are so quick to try and adopt Arab and european culture en lieu of our own. We are also quick to call those people brother, when they are only out to exploit us, and help out THEIR people. I will be the first to say as a Muslim, a arab or indian isn't my brother, just because he says As Salaam A'laykom. These people mean us no good, so why should we embrace these people? I remember a INDIAN of all people had the nerve to tell me Nigerians are a dirty people who are prone to littering and that its their culture. ERR REALLY, a INDIAN saying this? They come from one of the dirtiest countries on the face of the earth. My point is, these people look down on Africans and the diaspora. We shouldn't be trying to hold our hands out to these people.
Not to mention Judaism, Christianity and Islam is based off African religious system, yet we are so quick to look down on our home grown cultural practices and religions. I am Muslim and wouldn't change that for the world, but I would never refer to a Yoruba for example as a "kafir" (non believer) or a pagan. Africans are not Pagan by our nature, we are monotheist. Our traditional religions all profess such, as did Kemet. Only the simple minded would think other wise. We need to stop trying to connect with all these different people who have nothing to do with us and do not have our best interest at heart. embrace ourselves and OUR heros first and foremost. Let these Hindus have Gandhi, we sure as hell do not need him.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
^I can't help if you didn't like what I said. AA can't reconnect to anywhere where they never were connected to nor can they flock amongst a strange group without causing conflict. ALL AAs come from a family or heritage who has been "beaten down" by slavery and our attitude ought to show that lest we forget. At the same time, we don't need foregin blacks to tell us to ditch our culture to conform to theirs. Maybe you Africans with your colonial mentality think we should "just move on". You have a colonial mentality and seem to harbor the affects of such circumstances. You may not have a slave history (mockery of black Americans) but you certainly have a colonial history and culture. What AAs don't need is an African or any other foreign black telling AA what's best for them. You just made mockery of not having a slave history or culture due to you being African, but you DO have both including a colonial history and culture. Bytch you don't want to get into chest thumping with me. Is that's your defense against AA -- "I don't have a slave history or culture." How often you use that line.
listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
I am not saying forget the past, never forget!!! What I am saying is reconnect. And yes African Americans can go back to Africa, tons of those of the diaspora have found their way to Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and I even know of some in Uganda. These whites don't want to talk about that though. Africa needs African Americans and African Americans need Africa. Africa can give African Americans back a piece of themselves that are missing. Africa need the know how and the knowledge of who the enemy is from the AA. You would be surprised how naive Africans are as far as what is going on in terms of people actively working to keep Africa and her children down.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: truthandrights
I 100% disagree with #8.
What did he do? He didn't help india, and he didn't help the world. His motives were for HIS people. If I were a Indian, who benefited from whatever he supposedly did, then yeah, I may sing his praise. But he did nothing to help Africans so I don't give a rats arse about this bald headed, child molesting sodomite.
Africans and those of the diaspora really piss me off sometimes. We are way to willing to embrace everyone. this is stupid. I see it among African Muslims and christians so much. We are so quick to try and adopt Arab and european culture en lieu of our own. We are also quick to call those people brother, when they are only out to exploit us, and help out THEIR people. I will be the first to say as a Muslim, a arab or indian isn't my brother, just because he says As Salaam A'laykom. These people mean us no good, so why should we embrace these people? I remember a INDIAN of all people had the nerve to tell me Nigerians are a dirty people who are prone to littering and that its their culture. ERR REALLY, a INDIAN saying this? They come from one of the dirtiest countries on the face of the earth. My point is, these people look down on Africans and the diaspora. We shouldn't be trying to hold our hands out to these people.
Not to mention Judaism, Christianity and Islam is based off African religious system, yet we are so quick to look down on our home grown cultural practices and religions. I am Muslim and wouldn't change that for the world, but I would never refer to a Yoruba for example as a "kafir" (non believer) or a pagan. Africans are not Pagan by our nature, we are monotheist. Our traditional religions all profess such, as did Kemet. Only the simple minded would think other wise. We need to stop trying to connect with all these different people who have nothing to do with us and do not have our best interest at heart. embrace ourselves and OUR heros first and foremost. Let these Hindus have Gandhi, we sure as hell do not need him.
Truth...
btw...I never said I agreed with #8 smh I was just giving the entire quote, is all...
EDITED TO ADD:
quote:listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
I am not saying forget the past, never forget!!! What I am saying is reconnect. And yes African Americans can go back to Africa, tons of those of the diaspora have found their way to Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and I even know of some in Uganda. These whites don't want to talk about that though. Africa needs African Americans and African Americans need Africa. Africa can give African Americans back a piece of themselves that are missing. Africa need the know how and the knowledge of who the enemy is from the AA. You would be surprised how naive Africans are as far as what is going on in terms of people actively working to keep Africa and her children down
"I am not saying forget the past, never forget!!" SANKOFA.... Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
^^
Ah ok, sorry I misunderstood
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: ^^
Ah ok, sorry I misunderstood
No problem.... Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
^typeZeiss I lost complete respect for you when you made mockery of AA having slave history and culture. I don't know what kind of chest thumping you think you were doing, forgetting that Africans allow their land, people, culture, language, laws, and religion to be overrun and replaced by outsiders till the point that Africans can't get a job unless they speak the white man's language and don't even print their own nation's money. You can never chest thump about not having "slave blood". I don't know if you use that as a defense against AA when your feelings are hurt but it's a huge mistake for any African to chest thump about not having slave blood when they come from a culture of practicing slavery and a history and culture of colonialism. How do you think it was so easy for Africans to sell other Africans into slavery if they didn't have a history or culture of enslaving their neighbors? Never mind that.
AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
^typeZeiss I lost complete respect for you when you made mockery of AA having slave history and culture. I don't know what kind of chest thumping you think you were doing, forgetting that Africans allow their land, people, culture, language, laws, and religion to be overrun and replaced by outsiders till the point that Africans can't get a job unless they speak the white man's language and don't even print their own nation's money. You can never chest thump about not having "slave blood". I don't know if you use that as a defense against AA when your feelings are hurt but it's a huge mistake for any African to chest thump about not having slave blood when they come from a culture of practicing slavery and a history and culture of colonialism. How do you think it was so easy for Africans to sell other Africans into slavery if they didn't have a history or culture of enslaving their neighbors? Never mind that.
AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
As for Africa, you are 100% right, Africa needs help. You are also right that in my opinion there are AAs that know more about the history of the continent than those living on the continent. I don't deny any of that. But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Betty Boo
quote:AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
What an unbelievably stupid and uninformed statement to make if for nothing else see Melanin king's thread.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
^typeZeiss you publicly mocked AA of having slave blood. You can't single me out because ALL african-americans have slave history and culture. That is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood and for you to think you were chest thumping by making mockery out of African-American heritage as descendants of slave makes you lose all credibility. I'm not an Afro-european but an American so it makes sense for me to act like an American and to speak like an American and to think like an American. It's my history and culture. It is YOU who is not getting it. I don't get what you mean other than your mockery of AA having slave blood forgetting that Africans have colonial blood. What's worse. Being born into a nation where your people aren't the majority and innovators of the law and system or being born into your own land where you have to obey outsiders' laws, have to speak your colonial masters' language to get a job, need another nation to print your monetary because your nation don't have the power to decide the financial future of its people. This is not getting into the AA vs African argument. I'm pointing out how emotional black people can be when they don't think before they speak. You certainly were trying to chest thump by making mockery of AA as being descendants of slaves. I think you are an afro-european, a complete coconut.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
^typeZeiss you publicly mocked AA of having slave blood. You can't single me out because ALL african-americans have slave history and culture. That is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood and for you to think you were chest thumping by making mockery out of African-American heritage as descendants of slave makes you lose all credibility. I'm not an Afro-european but an American so it makes sense for me to act like an American and to speak like an American and to think like an American. It's my history and culture. It is YOU who is not getting it. I don't get what you mean other than your mockery of AA having slave blood forgetting that Africans have colonial blood. What's worse. Being born into a nation where your people aren't the majority and innovators of the law and system or being born into your own land where you have to obey outsiders' laws, have to speak your colonial masters' language to get a job, need another nation to print your monetary because your nation don't have the power to decide the financial future of its people. This is not getting into the AA vs African argument. I'm pointing out how emotional black people can be when they don't think before they speak. You certainly were trying to chest thump by making mockery of AA as being descendants of slaves. I think you are an afro-european, a complete coconut.
oh
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: that is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African.
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture.
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: Black Africans and other blacks really don't have disrespect for blacks.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Swenet
quote:There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities. When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people. If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
I am not dumping everything on the black lower class,but the fact that depressed economic conditions is a big contributing factor in absent dads,especially if one was receiving welfare the father could not be in the home,and having out of wedlock babies was rewarded with more checks,that in essence builds itself into a cycle,but there is an over-all factor especially in America that the nuclear family as we knew it is disappearing couples are not staying together through thick and thin anymore..until death do us part??..No until I find fault!
ok
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
Great post and I agree 100%. But I believe it should be taken a step further to include all Africans (including the diaspora). People act as if its only African Americans who are out of touch with their ancestry. Have you ever watched those Jamaican dance-hall things? Very animalistic to say the least. Also, in Brooklyn you should see how the West Indians carry on during J'ouvert. Or if you go to Washington heights in the Bx you should see how the Dominicans are hacking each other up and acting like pure animals. Don't get me wrong you see the same crap in Africa too in terms of gangs and violence, especially in Kenya and Nigeria.
Many of us have turned away from honoring our forefathers. We honor them by carrying on their traditions and furthering our cause, which is the sustained betterment of African people. A first start is to learn about our forefathers, not just AA forefathers, but forefathers on the continent as well. Learn about our history and who we are and what we have accomplished both at home and abroad. Next is to start carrying ourselves in dignified manners and boycotting music which perpetuates instinctual behavior over intellectual upliftment.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
My statement was directed at osirion it seemed as though he was looking down on AA's and thinking that he was better than them like many Africans do
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Just interesting. I have heard and read all the above cultural ad hominems may times. It all boils down to psychological immaturity--nothing more.
Yet curiously enough such kinds of arguments are never heard among other groups. In the case of the Americas, Native Americans of South America and Mexico were actual slaves owned by Spaniards until Spanish priest, Bartolomo de las Casas argued for them to be released from slavery and Africans substituted instead. Yet I have never heard of Native Americans making such accusations against the Native Americans of Mexico and South America.
The folk history of the Jews begins in a slavery that they proudly proclaim because they were rescued and led to a free land of "milk and honey" by their Deity. The Jews were also slaves in Nazi concentration camps which they freely talk about but I am yet to hear a Jew from Russia or Europe or West Asia decry those Jews for having such an experience. They would be quickly excommunicated from the "tribe". Many living Italians and Greeks are descendants of slaves held during classical times but that's not a point of distinction in those societies.
In actual historical fact the Europeans did actually practise "chattel slavery--i.e. actual property rights over individuals--in parts of Africa such as Cape Verde, Angola, Sao Tome e Principe, Mozambique, Mauritius, Reunion, South Africa[slaves were recruited from West Africa, Angola and the Congo until they were replaced by South Asians brought in as indentured labourers].
The concept of "slave" is easily unpacked. It maeans that the individual has no subjective power to dispose of himself or herself as he or she sees fit. One is fully under the control of another.
In precolonial Africa--as in pre-modern Europe--labour especially in the larger population units was mostly unfree. Recall Mansa Musa taking thousands of slaves on his pilgrimage to Macca. In fact, much of humanity was unfree--whether serf, bondsman, villein or slave--until the modern era when machines began to replace labour.
During the colonial era there was indeed the enslavement of the African by the European because it was done in situ as was the case of the Congo and South Africa. Thus there was no need to buy or sell slaves except in the Portugese held territories especially.
Each colonial power had huge reservoirs of labour in the territories it controlled. In fact, one could easily say that such controlled labour was "colonial slavery" in the sense that the labour necessary to build roads, dig mines, put up colonial buildings, produce agricultural produce, harvest rubber, etc. had to be forcefully coerced. Individuals who refused were simply rounded up, beaten then forced into work gangs. This was the case in the French controlled part of West Africa.
The British were quite brutal in the territories they controlled[ Lugard, for example, slaughtered 3,000 unruly labourers one afternoon in Nigeria. Just keeping the slaves in check--so as to encourage the others]. But the Brits devised the clever paln of ensuring slave labour for the economics of the colonial enterprise by imposing the so-called "hut tax". Each African dwelling had to pay a tax to prevent being burnt down-so the males of the village were forced to work at heavy colonial labour tasks to earn the money necessary to pay the tax. No place to run so slavery by another name was imposed. Here are there there were revolts--as with slavery in the Americas--as in the case of Bai Burreh of Sierra Leone who revolted against the enforced hut tax collections.
So those who know the history will no doubt that the Europeans practiced slavery on both sides of the Atlantic--and the vast majority of blacks/Africans are descendants of slaves. But to a large extent this history of the African continent is mainly kept quiet. It's only in North Africa and places like Zanzibar are Africans reminded with insults about slavery. But ironically North African descendants of white harem slaves and other kidnapped Europeans are enraged when they are informed of such by Africans.
In all of this the African community world-wide does face very serious challenges much of which are the makings of thsoe in leadership positions. They behave a nd think like mental slaves when it comes to the West. And they brutally oppress their populations as if they were slaves.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Just interesting. I have heard and read all the above cultural ad hominems may times. It all boils down to psychological immaturity--nothing more.
Yet curiously enough such kinds of arguments are never heard among other groups. In the case of the Americas, Native Americans of South America and Mexico were actual slaves owned by Spaniards until Spanish priest, Bartolomo de las Casas argued for them to be released from slavery and Africans substituted instead. Yet I have never heard of Native Americans making such accusations against the Native Americans of Mexico and South America.
The folk history of the Jews begins in a slavery that they proudly proclaim because they were rescued and led to a free land of "milk and honey" by their Deity. The Jews were also slaves in Nazi concentration camps which they freely talk about but I am yet to hear a Jew from Russia or Europe or West Asia decry those Jews for having such an experience. They would be quickly excommunicated from the "tribe". Many living Italians and Greeks are descendants of slaves held during classical times but that's not a point of distinction in those societies.
In actual historical fact the Europeans did actually practise "chattel slavery--i.e. actual property rights over individuals--in parts of Africa such as Cape Verde, Angola, Sao Tome e Principe, Mozambique, Mauritius, Reunion, South Africa[slaves were recruited from West Africa, Angola and the Congo until they were replaced by South Asians brought in as indentured labourers].
The concept of "slave" is easily unpacked. It maeans that the individual has no subjective power to dispose of himself or herself as he or she sees fit. One is fully under the control of another.
In precolonial Africa--as in pre-modern Europe--labour especially in the larger population units was mostly unfree. Recall Mansa Musa taking thousands of slaves on his pilgrimage to Macca. In fact, much of humanity was unfree--whether serf, bondsman, villein or slave--until the modern era when machines began to replace labour.
During the colonial era there was indeed the enslavement of the African by the European because it was done in situ as was the case of the Congo and South Africa. Thus there was no need to buy or sell slaves except in the Portugese held territories especially.
Each colonial power had huge reservoirs of labour in the territories it controlled. In fact, one could easily say that such controlled labour was "colonial slavery" in the sense that the labour necessary to build roads, dig mines, put up colonial buildings, produce agricultural produce, harvest rubber, etc. had to be forcefully coerced. Individuals who refused were simply rounded up, beaten then forced into work gangs. This was the case in the French controlled part of West Africa.
The British were quite brutal in the territories they controlled[ Lugard, for example, slaughtered 3,000 unruly labourers one afternoon in Nigeria. Just keeping the slaves in check--so as to encourage the others]. But the Brits devised the clever paln of ensuring slave labour for the economics of the colonial enterprise by imposing the so-called "hut tax". Each African dwelling had to pay a tax to prevent being burnt down-so the males of the village were forced to work at heavy colonial labour tasks to earn the money necessary to pay the tax. No place to run so slavery by another name was imposed. Here are there there were revolts--as with slavery in the Americas--as in the case of Bai Burreh of Sierra Leone who revolted against the enforced hut tax collections.
So those who know the history will no doubt that the Europeans practiced slavery on both sides of the Atlantic--and the vast majority of blacks/Africans are descendants of slaves. But to a large extent this history of the African continent is mainly kept quiet. It's only in North Africa and places like Zanzibar are Africans reminded with insults about slavery. But ironically North African descendants of white harem slaves and other kidnapped Europeans are enraged when they are informed of such by Africans.
In all of this the African community world-wide does face very serious challenges much of which are the makings of thsoe in leadership positions. They behave a nd think like mental slaves when it comes to the West. And they brutally oppress their populations as if they were slaves.
This entire post of yours is based off of non facts/ assumptions. These assumptions I would assume are then based off of your emotions because they have no historical accuracy to them.
Sit down and actually talk to a Ashkenazi and see what they think about Shephardics and vice versa. Ask a desi from India what he thinks about a desi from Trinidad. I am a muslim and have spent a LOT of time amongst both groups. I assure you, they do not like each other. The indian desi feels the desi from the west indies (who arrived their via slavery and in other cases indentured servitude) doesn't know the culture and has nothing to do with those on the mother land. I have been in Masajid (mosques) and heard Indian Desis tell Desis from The Carribean they are not true Muslims or "desis" for that matter. And I watched as the "aunties" from India shook their heads in agreement. The Carribean desis were in tears. So sir, you're terribly misinformed.
As for the Hebrew deity bringing them to a "land of milk and honey" that entire story is a fallacy and as such can't be used to really prove or disprove your point.
Lets extract the slavery component and look at separated groups i.e. Mexicans in mexico and how they view Mexicans in the states (they don't like them) thats a fact. You also find this between Puerto Ricans and their New Yorican counter parts. Africans (including the diaspora) are no different in this regard. People like yourself make these assumptions based off of your singular view.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Type Z,
My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Type Z,
My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
You should work on moving from animal state to civilized human. Your post lacks facts, it is based on your opinions, which were developed based on emotions. Basically its a instinctual response. This is what animals do. Civilized human beings form such opinions based on concrete facts, and employ abstract thought to do so. So with a better understanding of where you are coming from, I kindly excuse myself from the conversation.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Type Z,
My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
^I'm feeling this post.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
Respect, yes, but this thread is about being honest about the plagues of single mother's that are trying to raise Black children on their on.
Just listen to Tupac - Momma.
No love from my daddy cause the coward wasn't there. He passed away and I didn't cry, cause my anger wouldn't let me feel for a stranger.
Considering the obstacles put in place for African American, it is hard not to have respect. But that is not what I am referring to.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
You're a fvcking LIAR!!! Black people do not stand on the shoulders of fvcking Ghandi. Ghandi nor India hold a place in AA history or heritage. I never met a black person who gave credit to Ghandi. Black people never mention India or Ghandi in their history, legacy, or heritage. Ghandi has nothing to do with AA or the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement of the 60s was orchestrated by the government. It never was MLK idea to visit India or Ghandi; that was the U.S. government ORDERS. MLK didn't even believe in the shyt Ghandi believed and not once ever gave him credit. MLK came from a legacy of hardcore fighting black soldiers from the black community. What the fvck he needed from Ghandi. It damn sure wasn't wisdom or black issues or tolerance. No one can teach or preach black people tolerance. Black people are the most tolerant patient group this world has to offer. You keep reading those white books and listening to white people tell my people's story and your azz would get dismissed. India and Ghandi can eat the pussey of black women and suck on the dycks on black men. He nor India has a place in our history, culture, legacy, or heritage and you don't EITHER!!! Take your nonblack, mutt, Krakker, Asian, biracial, or whatever you are elsewhere. Try telling an AA to his face that the black collective of America stands on the shoulders of Ghandi and Ghandi is great and see if your azz don't get dismissed or killed. That Ghandi bullshyt probably work in Britain with those stupid inferior blacks. Try preaching that shyt in America to a black person and see if you don't get your azz handed to you. MLk before his death didn't even speak of Ghandi or gave credit to Ghandi. It is always the U.S. government or white people bringing up that Ghandi bullshyt. I have yet to hear any black historian or those who personally new MLK ever speak of Ghandi. MLK family don't even speak of Ghandi. MLK himself never spoke of Ghandi. Your azz can't be black especially when your learning of the black experience comes from the story and mouths of white people.
This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out. So to act White or another other culture is condemned. Yes, White people came to dominate the world by assimilating other cultures.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
We as a people should learn from other cultures and adopt philosophies and concepts that we see as being progressive for our needs.
Its called TRADE and all great civilizations are built on it.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
I knew he was a racist- thanks for saving me the time of bringing that up, lol...the other tings you mentioned I didn't know...
For those who don't know:
quote: #1 - Don't let the emotion of who you believe Gandhi to be to get in the way of actual facts.
#2 - Gandhi was a Hindu. Hindus believe in the caste system which states that individuals are born into castes and this is where they live and die.
#3 - Gandhi's early struggle in south Africa was predicated on the idea that Europeans should treat Indians better than they did because the Indians were better than Blacks
#4 - Gandhi has many published quotes where he refers to South African Blacks as lazy and aimless.
#5 - His views softened somewhat as he grew older but his campaign of non-violence was for the equal treatment of Indians, not Blacks.
#6 - Just because he employed the amazing strategy of non-violence doesn't mean he advocated for everyone.
#7 - Just because everyone employed his techniques of non-violence doesn't mean he approved of them, after all most who used his techniques came almost 20 - 40 years AFTER him.
#8 - Just because he was racist doesn't negate what he has done in the world, it only reaffirms the complicated ideals that occupy the human heart.
#9 - Just because your disappointed (as I was) to find this out, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Here are words recorded in multiple locations attributed to Gandhi.
"Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
"It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting - to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges."
"Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races, resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much?"
Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir1.
37. So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir
The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs2 who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.
Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
The most important reason why we should not assume that it is because of our frail physique that we are thought weak is that the Kaffirs are thought weak by the whites despite their superior physical strength. They are intellectually backward. They are unlettered and have no arts.
Here we go again - losing focus. I don't care about Ghandi what I care about is MLK. The fact that MLK was pious to read about other people in history and consider their solutions as a part of a soluation that could be used by AAs is exemplary not for GHANDI but for MLK and us in general. We should look at other cultures and consider adotion of good ideas! This is exactly what Whites have done!
Think about how many White rappers there are. How many White folks you see running around with baggy paints listening to hip hop music. Then think about how many AAs you have seen driving around listening to Beethoven or Hindi music. Why is it that there is some negative connotation for a Black person to be pious about other cultures but White people can do this all the time?
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Type Z,
My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
Better? The most advance Black people in the world live here in America. Look at all of the inventions done by AAs!
I am only referring to an issue that needs addressing and making no assessment of the overall status of anyone. This problem of single mother's also impacts White people significantly. I was taking one major issue and comparing what we do (Black people in general) compared to Japanese. When confronted on how Black I am, I am proud to say I am more Black that AAs but that is an attitude that is in response to a criticism that comes out more cynical and sarcastic than what should be noted by someone not a part of the thread.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ African-Americans are heavily European admixed, on average they are 17% - 25% white.
Almost all self-proclaimed American 'Blacks' are Negroid-Caucasoid hybrids (Reed, 1989; Lynn, 1991).
This is why African-American IQ = 85, and true Negroid IQ, 70 (from West Africa).
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
You've been here since 2005 and you're still suckered into arguing with an obvious racist loon. Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Sources?
quote:Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians
Sources?
quote:Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group
Sources?
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
Osirion, the stats you have posted are completely wrong, excluding Ethiopia.
The IQ of Nigeria is 67 and Ghana 71 (Lynn, 2002). These stats were basically confirmed by Rindermann's more recent study (2007).
West African (Negroid) countries have the lowest IQ's worldwide, alongside the Australian Aborigines. Anything under 70, is classified as 'mentally retarded', and most West African countries are under 70, or borderline.
European Caucasoids are 100 in IQ. Only a small segment of East Asia (incl. Japan, Hongkong) are 5 points higher (105). China is not 105, nor is the rest of East Asia. So Chinese do not have higher IQ's than Europeans.
African-Americans, or American 'Blacks' are obviously higher in IQ since they are 17 - 25% European (heavily Caucasoid admixed).
True Negroids from West Africa are 70 IQ, or around there (sometimes a few points even less).
If you look at Caucasoids outside of Europe, you will see their IQ's are lower (nowhere near as low as Negroids of course), so there is no hole in the fact that East Africans have low IQ's, but are Caucasoid-Negroid admixed. I would point out East Africa is higher overall (all countries combined) than West Africa.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group
Sources?
You know, if he goes for the Bell Curve book which states Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ, I will look forward to your reply. Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
Osirion, the stats you have posted are completely wrong, excluding Ethiopia.
The IQ of Nigeria is 67 and Ghana 71 (Lynn, 2002). These stats were basically confirmed by Rindermann's more recent study (2007).
West African (Negroid) countries have the lowest IQ's worldwide, alongside the Australian Aborigines. Anything under 70, is classified as 'mentally retarded', and most West African countries are under 70, or borderline.
European Caucasoids are 100 in IQ. Only a small segment of East Asia (incl. Japan, Hongkong) are 5 points higher (105). China is not 105, nor is the rest of East Asia. So Chinese do not have higher IQ's than Europeans.
African-Americans, or American 'Blacks' are obviously higher in IQ since they are 17 - 25% European (heavily Caucasoid admixed).
True Negroids from West Africa are 70 IQ, or around there (sometimes a few points even less).
If you look at Caucasoids outside of Europe, you will see their IQ's are lower (nowhere near as low as Negroids of course), so there is no hole in the fact that East Africans have low IQ's, but are Caucasoid-Negroid admixed. I would point out East Africa is higher overall (all countries combined) than West Africa.
Ethiopia = 68 and West Africa = 70. I thought you said that AAs are smarter because they were admixed. If that was logical then Ethiopians should also show a higher IQ.
AAs have higher IQ because of a better diet.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: AAs have higher IQ because of a better diet. [/QB]
LOL!
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group
Sources?
You know, if he goes for the Bell Curve book which states Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ, I will look forward to your reply.
Of course you do, Angelina. Being that our discussions always leave you with a boot up your ass, you just love to follow me around.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Ethiopia = 68 and West Africa = 70. I thought you said that AAs are smarter because they were admixed. If that was logical then Ethiopians should also show a higher IQ.
Ethiopians aren't admixed with European Caucasoids, but Caucasoids from Western Asia.
The IQ of Western Asian countries (80 - 90) is far lower than those of Europe (100).
African Americans have higher IQ's than pure-blooded Negroids, obviously because of their European admixture. They aren't Western Asian admixed.
Over 97% of the most important scientists and 74% of the most important artists and authors worldwide are white, almost all males, and most from only four European countries: Great Britain, Germany, France, and Italy.
Source: Murray, C. (2003). Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950.HarperCollins.
The white ancestry of African-American's is overwhelmingly British, German and French.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
note: Anglo_Pyramidologist has Asperger syndrome and said so in a recent post
Asperger syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers,
So the limited empathy aspect seems to be biological
^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ you didn't explain why Ethiopians have lower IQ than West Africans. You also haven't explained why Orientals have a higher IQ than Europeans.
I am the only one that has offered a reasonable explaination.
Seaweed and Sushi anyone?
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: AAs have higher IQ because of a better diet.
LOL! [/QB]
Not hard to have a better diet than people struggling just to find clean water on a daily basis.
Clearly Ethiopians are more Caucasoid than African Americans but have significantly lower IQ. Hybrid explanation for higher IQ is debunked. IQ is not racially based but is inherited but can be so via epigenetic channels.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
That would be STERILIZED AND STRICTLY
quote: i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
^ Nothing too much more to be said here, as that pretty much says it all..... Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
If you are concerned with anthropology why would you consider acceptance from a white nationalist group? (the BNP 1997 Manifesto thus called for Britain to be made "once again a white country" through a total repatriation programme for all ethnic minorities) -BNP believed to have about 12000 members, UK white nationalists groups are considered outside the mainstream and their commentary on anthropology is heavily influenced by a political agenda often including using old outdated research or politcially selected data. Many of the current most well known anthropolgists of today often question or do not believe in races within humans.
Further, empathy is considered an essential trait to have a civilized society, regard for human life, survival of the human species. Attempts are made to teach people with Asperger to be more empathetic. Therefore you should question yourself about coming here and saying black people are ugly, it lacks empathy. You also post photos of less attractive black people in a propagandistic Nazi sort of way which also lacks empathy. Most scientists would say beauty in general is a matter of opinion and even if you believe some racial stereotype about is true stating it shows lack of empathy and encourages conflict. people should not be looked down on and told they are inferior, whoever a person is they are dealt who they are and can't change it. Current anthtrolopolgy and forensic textbooks seldom deal with the issue of what is beautiful or not. Although people attempt research it and sell books and magazine articles the topic of beauty is generally considered outside of science or at least of superficial skin deep importants. In addition beauty comes down to individuals. If you believe that your "race" is on average more beautiful than other "races" you still may be ugly as an individual and that is what counts more. It lacks empathy to not look at each person as an individual and exclusively as a member of a "race". It also leads to a lot of unfairness and exploitation. It becomes an excuse not to look at individuals in order for certain groups of people to take advantage of society for unfairly selfish gain of that group.
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Ethiopians aren't admixed with European Caucasoids, but Caucasoids from Western Asia.
The IQ of Western Asian countries (80 - 90) is far lower than those of Europe (100).
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: note: Anglo_Pyramidologist has Asperger syndrome and said so in a recent post
Asperger syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers,
So the limited empathy aspect seems to be biological
His must be a curious case of Asperger syndrome since he specifically lack empathy only toward the "Negroids" and generally have no problems with other "-oids".
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Osirion,
"Caucasoid" is a pseudoscientific Eurocentric term and should be avoided in any objective anthropological discussion.
For that matter you could say the the Khoi-san are more Mongoloid than African Americans and should therefore have higher IQs. How does that sound?
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Let's say that the Anglo-P guy always shows an "invincible[incapable of learning from new facts] ignorance in whatever he posts. And that's that. If one is bored one can always answer him for fun--like a cat playing with a cornered mouse.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ you didn't explain why Ethiopians have lower IQ than West Africans. You also haven't explained why Orientals have a higher IQ than Europeans.
I am the only one that has offered a reasonable explaination.
Seaweed and Sushi anyone?
Ethiopians have about the same IQ as most West African countries, they are all around 67 - 70.
As i said anything under 70 is classified as ''mentally retarded'' and only two places on the world map fall in this category: Sub-Sahara Africa, and secondly Australia (the aborigines, not obviously white Australians, who are 98).
Non-European countries with significant Caucasoid populations do not have high IQ's, only European Caucasoids do. West Asian Caucasoids are for example around 85 in IQ, India is only 80.
Lebanon IQ 86 Iran IQ 84 Saudi Arabia IQ 83 India IQ 80
We can probably explain these countries lower IQ, as they are less homogenous than Europe, they have been historically settled and admixed with other non-Caucasoid races.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Sources?
quote:Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians
Sources?
quote:Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group
Sources?
I am not going to debate a devil's advocate position. Why would I do that.
Anyway - I said enough on this stupid topic. If he doesn't get it by now he or she will never get it.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ you didn't explain why Ethiopians have lower IQ than West Africans. You also haven't explained why Orientals have a higher IQ than Europeans.
I am the only one that has offered a reasonable explaination.
Seaweed and Sushi anyone?
Ethiopians have about the same IQ as most West African countries, they are all around 67 - 70.
As i said anything under 70 is classified as ''mentally retarded'' and only two places on the world map fall in this category: Sub-Sahara Africa, and secondly Australia (the aborigines, not obviously white Australians, who are 98).
Non-European countries with significant Caucasoid populations do not have high IQ's, only European Caucasoids do. West Asian Caucasoids are for example around 85 in IQ, India is only 80.
Lebanon IQ 86 Iran IQ 84 Saudi Arabia IQ 83 India IQ 80
We can probably explain these countries lower IQ, as they are less homogenous than Europe, they have been historically settled and admixed with other non-Caucasoid races.
Its been fun messing with you. Obviously you know your wrong since you haven't come close to giving an explaination.
First - Ethiopians are part Israeli and you should have used their IQ scores. Then you haven't come close with anything you said to explain why Ethiopians have a lower score than West Africans on the average.
You just don't like to admit defeat and are really just looking for attention. That I understand.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ I've explained it perfectly, instead of acknowledging what i wrote you are just repeating the same crap, but what do i expect from a retard who thinks Koreans and Ainu look Negroid...
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Sources?
quote:Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians
Sources?
quote:Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group
Sources?
I am not going to debate a devil's advocate position. Why would I do that.
Anyway - I said enough on this stupid topic. If he doesn't get it by now he or she will never get it.
LOL! Jesus Osirion, you remind me of another 'sweet' poster who was asked to backup his shyt argument and he too ran. Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out.
^I have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ghandi is no icon in the black community nor was MLK influenced by him.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out.
^I have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ghandi is no icon in the black community nor was MLK influenced by him.
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation." Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
Despite Gandhi having made some racist remarks which King knew or did not know about he was influenced heavily by Gandhi's peaceful civil disobedience tactics
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Well Given that the Poverty Rate amon AA is 24% If I remember right, that is a significant number. Given that majority of AA are not commiting Crimes, Id say that majority of those who do are mainly Poor Poverty stricken blacks, not that the Middle Class is exempt or has not problems.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: @Brada
There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities.
When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people.
If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
I can't be certain on how things are in the US (never been there), but just extrapolating from what I know about my people, there is no real cultural distinction between middle class blacks, and lower class blacks, in the US, outside of income.
You generally don't recognize them on the streets by the clothes they wear, you generally don't hear it in their speech, you generally don't see it in the types they have in their social circle and you generally don't see it in the neighborhoods in which they live; it just isn't as visible among blacks as it is among whites.
This is confirmed with the picture we get on tv as well; the wealthy black celebs generally all have the same variations in speech, slang, dress, behavior, music taste, comedy taste and attitudes in general, that we see among lower class blacks.
Blacks stick together in terms of those facets I just mentioned, and so, it makes sense that those problems extend to them as well.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out.
^I have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ghandi is no icon in the black community nor was MLK influenced by him.
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation." Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
Despite Gandhi having made some racist remarks which King knew or did not know about he was influenced heavily by Gandhi's peaceful civil disobedience tactics
^You and your many different screen names is smoking crack. MLK wasn't heavily influence by Ghandi nor was he influenced by Ghandi. MLK was turned off by Ghandi "peaceful disobedience." It was the government behind MLK tactics not Ghandi. This is not about Ghandi being a fvcking racist; it's about whether MLK was INFLUENCED by Ghandi and the answer is NO.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ I've explained it perfectly, instead of acknowledging what i wrote you are just repeating the same crap, but what do i expect from a retard who thinks Koreans and Ainu look Negroid...
^ never said that about the Ainu. I said the Ainu have a recent common ancestor with the Negrito people of the Andaman Islands. I said the Ainu look the way they do (which is not Negroid but more Caucasoid looking in terms of facial appearance) due to diet and climate. This was used as an argument that facial form does not on its own determine relatedness.
As for the Koreans, some have Caucasoid features and many have Negroid facial features. However, I said my wife who is Korean has features that are identical to mine. We look very much alike. Never said I had Negroid facial features.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out.
^I have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ghandi is no icon in the black community nor was MLK influenced by him.
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation." Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
Despite Gandhi having made some racist remarks which King knew or did not know about he was influenced heavily by Gandhi's peaceful civil disobedience tactics
^You and your many different screen names is smoking crack. MLK wasn't heavily influence by Ghandi nor was he influenced by Ghandi. MLK was turned off by Ghandi "peaceful disobedience." It was the government behind MLK tactics not Ghandi. This is not about Ghandi being a fvcking racist; it's about whether MLK was INFLUENCED by Ghandi and the answer is NO.
Just another troll that can't admit they are wrong! Do you just want attention or what?
The point of what I am saying is that being pious and open to the trade of ideas is useful and should not be stigmatized as being anti-Black. It is pro-Black to promote education in the Black community especially of cultures that can benefit our community. In this case the Japanese culture of male authority figures being the central focal of families. By putting the Black Male back as the authority figure he should be for the family we can strengthen the Black family and consequently the Black community.
Again its: 1% or 66%.
1% of Japanese children raised without their father.
66% of Black children raised without their father.
How sad it is that our issue is with piousness rather than with those appaling numbers for our children!
You would rather argue of MLK and Ghandi and such rather than focus on the real issue.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ I've explained it perfectly, instead of acknowledging what i wrote you are just repeating the same crap, but what do i expect from a retard who thinks Koreans and Ainu look Negroid...
^ never said that about the Ainu. I said the Ainu have a recent common ancestor with the Negrito people of the Andaman Islands. I said the Ainu look the way they do (which is not Negroid but more Caucasoid looking in terms of facial appearance) due to diet and climate. This was used as an argument that facial form does not on its own determine relatedness.
As for the Koreans, some have Caucasoid features and many have Negroid facial features. However, I said my wife who is Korean has features that are identical to mine. We look very much alike. Never said I had Negroid facial features.
The Andaman Islanders are Negrito, they have nothing to do with the Ainu. They are seperate races.
There are two competing theories on the Ainu: (a) they are Mongoloid (b) they are quasi-Caucasoid, sharing a common ancestor with Caucasoids but branched off somewhere.
Theory (b) has fallen out of favor because of political correctness. It was the most popular theory up to the 1990's. We now know Kennewick Man was Ainu, so of course the Caucasoid/white affiliations are going to be denied for socio-political reasons.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: You would rather argue of MLK and Ghandi and such rather than focus on the real issue.
^I don't know what you are talking about. MLK was never ever influenced by Ghandi.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: You would rather argue of MLK and Ghandi and such rather than focus on the real issue.
^I don't know what you are talking about. MLK was never ever influenced by Ghandi.
Martin Luther King used similar peaceful protest and civil disobedience tactics like Gandhi did and I gave you a quote from Martin Luther King:
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation."
Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
why do you continue to be thick as a brick? How do you justify being in this condition?
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: You would rather argue of MLK and Ghandi and such rather than focus on the real issue.
^I don't know what you are talking about. MLK was never ever influenced by Ghandi.
Martin Luther King used similar peaceful protest and civil disobedience tactics like Gandhi did and I gave you a quote from Martin Luther King:
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation."
Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
why do you continue to be thick as a brick? How do you justify being in this condition?
Martin Luther King was a communist and a sex pest who slept with prostitutes, he cannot be considered similar to Ghandi.
Posted by facts (Member # 19596) on :
Also, he had a penchant for White prostitutes.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Martin Luther King was a communist and a sex pest who slept with prostitutes, he cannot be considered similar to Ghandi.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ I've explained it perfectly, instead of acknowledging what i wrote you are just repeating the same crap, but what do i expect from a retard who thinks Koreans and Ainu look Negroid...
^ never said that about the Ainu. I said the Ainu have a recent common ancestor with the Negrito people of the Andaman Islands. I said the Ainu look the way they do (which is not Negroid but more Caucasoid looking in terms of facial appearance) due to diet and climate. This was used as an argument that facial form does not on its own determine relatedness.
As for the Koreans, some have Caucasoid features and many have Negroid facial features. However, I said my wife who is Korean has features that are identical to mine. We look very much alike. Never said I had Negroid facial features.
The Andaman Islanders are Negrito, they have nothing to do with the Ainu. They are seperate races.
There are two competing theories on the Ainu: (a) they are Mongoloid (b) they are quasi-Caucasoid, sharing a common ancestor with Caucasoids but branched off somewhere.
Theory (b) has fallen out of favor because of political correctness. It was the most popular theory up to the 1990's. We now know Kennewick Man was Ainu, so of course the Caucasoid/white affiliations are going to be denied for socio-political reasons.
Wiki logic taken out of context. Nice.
Ainu and the Andaman Islanders share a common ancestor which genetics proves.
The Ainu are a good example of Convergent evolution.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: You would rather argue of MLK and Ghandi and such rather than focus on the real issue.
^I don't know what you are talking about. MLK was never ever influenced by Ghandi.
Martin Luther King used similar peaceful protest and civil disobedience tactics like Gandhi did and I gave you a quote from Martin Luther King:
"Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity. In a real sense, Mahatma Gandhi embodied in his life certain universal principles that are inherent in the moral structure of the universe, and these principles are as inescapable as the law of gravitation."
Martin Luther King ----The papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. University of California Press. ISBN 0520079507.
why do you continue to be thick as a brick? How do you justify being in this condition?
^English must not be your first language because you have a reading comprehension problem. Nothing in the quote you posted proves or implies that MLK was influenced by Ghandi. It actually implies the opposite. Those aren't words of admiration you fvcking idiot. And what the fvck is "civil disobedience."
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by facts: Also, he had a penchant for White prostitutes.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Martin Luther King was a communist and a sex pest who slept with prostitutes, he cannot be considered similar to Ghandi.
He had a penchant for men too.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ you didn't explain why Ethiopians have lower IQ than West Africans. You also haven't explained why Orientals have a higher IQ than Europeans.
I am the only one that has offered a reasonable explaination.
Seaweed and Sushi anyone?
Ethiopians have about the same IQ as most West African countries, they are all around 67 - 70.
As i said anything under 70 is classified as ''mentally retarded'' and only two places on the world map fall in this category: Sub-Sahara Africa, and secondly Australia (the aborigines, not obviously white Australians, who are 98).
Non-European countries with significant Caucasoid populations do not have high IQ's, only European Caucasoids do. West Asian Caucasoids are for example around 85 in IQ, India is only 80.
Lebanon IQ 86 Iran IQ 84 Saudi Arabia IQ 83 India IQ 80
We can probably explain these countries lower IQ, as they are less homogenous than Europe, they have been historically settled and admixed with other non-Caucasoid races.
Hey Cassi did you make sure that the people doing the IQ test actually measured the skulls of those who were involved, or are you going to only wave around you "-oid" racial divisions when it is convenient? I'm annoyed at the implication that IQ is a genuine measure of intellect, that intellect is this objective universally understood thing you can quantify and that inbreeding will heighten this intellect. Someone also made the very good point of noting that groups such as the Greeks score lower, and yet they were a major force in western thought and civilization today as we know it. Ultimately, this doesn't in my mind measure potential.
Posted by GOMTUU (Member # 19606) on :
Anglo nut alias CASSERITES--Are you negro or a failed experiment gone wrong??
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
@ Oshun,
And then you have the "Flynn effect"(James Flynn) which says in effect that IQ scores are highly influenced by the cultural environment. Empirical evidence bears out Flynn's research.
Using the "Ravens Progressive Matrices"[Ravens is supposed by those who use it to be a "culture free" test.] IQ test data Flynn showed that in the industrialised nations that "Ravens gains have proceeded at no less than 0.50 points per year for every developed nation for which we have data".(Flynn, What is Intelligence, pg. 8).
But back to IQ scores: Greece the fount of Western knowledge scores 92 on IQ tests. Israel, supposedly populated by "high IQ Jews" scores 94.
Flynn and Dickens did the research and found that the black-white IQ differential narrowed 5 to 6 points between 1972 and 2000. This would mean that AAs and Greeks are par and AAs score higher than areas that Westerners claim to have been the source of their civilisation: Iraq[Ancient Mesopotamnia, 80, Lynn 1978).
Posted by typeZeiss (Member # 18859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by facts: Also, he had a penchant for White prostitutes.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Martin Luther King was a communist and a sex pest who slept with prostitutes, he cannot be considered similar to Ghandi.
He had a penchant for men too.
You are referring to Ghandi in terms of being a boy lover, correct?
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No tell me seh you really think that broad is a Black Woman smh...
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btw...I never said I agreed with #8 smh I was just giving the entire quote, is all... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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