posted
I think one has to consider the statistics of these shootings of unarmed Black youth and pause. The shear number of lethal encounters when no lethal force was necessary and the person killed is of non-European ancestry.
However it is not as simple as claiming social bias. If there is a social bias its one that has been perpetuated by us rather than by Europeans.
For sake of this argument I will simply use the Japanese people.
Google: Japanese killed by police officer.
Did you find anything?
Compare that count to:
Google: Black killed by police officer.
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
So what makes the Japanese so strikingly different than people of African slave ancestry here in America?
The Japanese culture is one of conformity to authority. I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
If Black people would suddenly be more conformed to authority similar to Japanese, we would see a significant drop in Black killings. So it follows we should research the question of conformity. Why are Africans of slave ancestry in America significantly less conformed than the Japanese?
I hypothesize that it is due to a lack of father figures in the household of Americans of slave ancestry.
The number one social issue for people of slave ancestry in America: lack of a father figure in the home.
Divorce, Adultery, Incarceration, etc.
The one who is suppose to teach conformity to authority in the family is missing. As a result there is a significant challenge to pass on a cultural value system that develops conformity practices.
Let's support this thesis with some hard evidence.
What is the percentage of Japanese children raised without a father in the house?
The below shows a break out by major ethnic groups.
Non-Hispanic White 24% Black or African American 66% American Indian 52% Asian and Pacific Islander 16% Hispanic or Latino 41%
16% for Asians in general.
However: Only 1% of Japanese children are born "out of wedlock".
99% of Japanese Children have father figures at home. And I cannot find a single case of a Japanese person being shot by police for resisting arrest.
My conclusion is that the dysfunction of the Black family leads to non-conformist youths who do not respect authority because they never were taught to respect their father who should have been that authority figure.
Does any of this have any bearing on the Martin Trayvon case?
The police become cynical and bias by the non-conformity they see in Black youths. As a result their decision making is not fair and balance. This results in a cyclical issue in that police are bias against Blacks which results in more Black incarceration and family failure which then produces more non-conformed youths.
Brainstorm with me. How to stop this cycle?
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
Yet conformity has negative conotations. While conformity may make a society more "harmonious" it also may lack individualism and individulaism is what often leads to innovation. Japan and America are good examples of these opposites
The basic issue is, that to an extent for good reason, many African Americans don't trust European Americans. Many of us feel the system is rigged against us unfairly so many of us rebel against it. One of the ways of doing this is to ignore laws. But to do this at random as individuals is to play right into the sterotype of low expectations It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. And now through the gangsta mythology many have accepted this role, it has become noramalzed. Complaining at the same time as individuals has become an empty ritual in place of organization. And the rap superstars are the princes patted on the head for playing this role the best and modeling it to the youth. This type of "unity" is a unity of stagnation and mindless conformity pretending that petty law breaking is revolution. What needs to happen is for us to break apart to that new more progressive and positive identities can form. Conformity is the problem and it gets called "unity". We are so conformist within ourselves that we are scared to try new ways of being for fear it leads to disunity. But debate within our community like republicans vs democrats leads to relatively more working through issues. Black intellectuals need to organize more, take a higher profile, create artistic things completely apart from Hip Hop/gangsta culture. And this has to be done in an original way not an imitation of adaptation or white intellectuals. It's a mistake for black intellectuals to attempt to be hip with the popular culture.
Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
Sweden is a nation where the out-of-wedlock births rivals that of U.S. blacks. Yet the quality of life and police attacks on Swedes is unheard of.
Promiscuity--i.e. endorsing the libertine life style is the norm is Sweden. Swedes believe that sexual freedom is like a human right.
The reason why the police--the internal security of a racist apartheid state--attack and kill blacks derives from sheer racism. Even when the marriage rate for blacks was quite high--during the days of segregation--blacks were still attacked and killed by vigilantes and the police.
Recall the Emett Till story and the rampaging violence of the KKK. Just that the police has now assumed the role of the KKK.
Posts: 5492 | Registered: Nov 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
One must bear in mind too that the U.S. as an Apartheid state has to find--in the modern era--a reason to continue killing blacks. It does so by setting up and maintaining the sociological conditions that would lead the police to have cause to kill blacks--usually for petty transgressions or no transgression at all.
Posts: 5492 | Registered: Nov 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
Yea but blacks were brought here for free labor. Asians were choosing to come to America. Asians also werent being allowed into America or were highly restricted. That by default sets a different way of viewing authority. Rich white folks had to demonize blacks harder and longer than Asians were cause again they were being forced to America for free labor. The attack on black men and the reason why blacks lack fathers is an extension of this ongoing problem not the cause of why blacks are skeptical of authority being in their best interest. Convincing the public of a black persons innate inferiority was important to make them to allow their own wages and opportunities for paid labor to be minimized. Many of the Asian groups that make Americas perception of Asia also see eye to eye with Europe on important philosophical issues in spite of their collectivist qualities. Ultimately the climate for them to maintain most of their collectivist attitudes was present.
Posts: 2508 | From: . | Registered: Nov 2011
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I think one has to consider the statistics of these shootings of unarmed Black youth and pause. The shear number of lethal encounters when no lethal force was necessary and the person killed is of non-European ancestry.
However it is not as simple as claiming social bias. If there is a social bias its one that has been perpetuated by us rather than by Europeans.
For sake of this argument I will simply use the Japanese people.
Google: Japanese killed by police officer.
Did you find anything?
Compare that count to:
Google: Black killed by police officer.
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
So what makes the Japanese so strikingly different than people of African slave ancestry here in America?
The Japanese culture is one of conformity to authority. I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
If Black people would suddenly be more conformed to authority similar to Japanese, we would see a significant drop in Black killings. So it follows we should research the question of conformity. Why are Africans of slave ancestry in America significantly less conformed than the Japanese?
I hypothesize that it is due to a lack of father figures in the household of Americans of slave ancestry.
The number one social issue for people of slave ancestry in America: lack of a father figure in the home.
Divorce, Adultery, Incarceration, etc.
The one who is suppose to teach conformity to authority in the family is missing. As a result there is a significant challenge to pass on a cultural value system that develops conformity practices.
Let's support this thesis with some hard evidence.
What is the percentage of Japanese children raised without a father in the house?
The below shows a break out by major ethnic groups.
Non-Hispanic White 24% Black or African American 66% American Indian 52% Asian and Pacific Islander 16% Hispanic or Latino 41%
16% for Asians in general.
However: Only 1% of Japanese children are born "out of wedlock".
99% of Japanese Children have father figures at home. And I cannot find a single case of a Japanese person being shot by police for resisting arrest.
My conclusion is that the dysfunction of the Black family leads to non-conformist youths who do not respect authority because they never were taught to respect their father who should have been that authority figure.
Does any of this have any bearing on the Martin Trayvon case?
The police become cynical and bias by the non-conformity they see in Black youths. As a result their decision making is not fair and balance. This results in a cyclical issue in that police are bias against Blacks which results in more Black incarceration and family failure which then produces more non-conformed youths.
Brainstorm with me. How to stop this cycle?
In the 90s a friend of mine was shot in the face. This was in Brooklyn NY. So anyway, a second friend of ours (he was very muscular) picked up the friend with the bullet wound and ran with him toward Kings County Hospital. While running, he saw police officers in a cruiser. The guy holding the friend flagged them down and asked them to take him and the friend to the hospital. The cops put them in the cruiser, drove five blocks in the opposite direction of the hospital, laughed and told our friends to GET OUT. Needless to say, the friend with the bullet wound died that day.
Two puerto rican's in the bronx were robbing drug dealers. They did a string of these robberies. Finally cops cornered them in a apartment of two drug dealers. The two would be robbers laid down on the ground, and gave up with out any hassle. One of the cops on the scene put one bullet in the back of each of these guys' heads. Even the drug dealer who was being robbed testified that it was a assassination.
I know too many stories like this where minorities were not arguing with police, were not causing any sort of problem for the police and yet and still these savages do things that are criminal to the people they are supposed to be serving and protecting. There was a white guy in brooklyn, I think he was Italian. Anyway, he was beaten and sodomized with a police stick in a train station in brooklyn. The cops claimed the guy was smoking marijuana in public, even though he was in full site of the police which makes no damn sense. They claim they asked him to put it out and he didn't which in turn resulted in them sticking a damn police stick up his bum. These people do not care about color, they are just sick, demented savages.
I also remember another incident in South Florida where a kid who had down syndrome was beaten in his head with a police stick and he wasn't causing any problems. Tourist recorded the incident and came to the boys defense when these filthy savages tried to lie and say he attacked them. This kid was white by the way. I believe they asked him something and because of his condition he wasn't answering them. Because of his appearance it was very clear he had some sort of mental/physical issues.
I think your assessment of police is from a standpoint of a suburbanite. Your reality and the reality of those in the inner city (regardless of color) doesn't match up. Your talking about people who have a certain type of job they shouldn't. But that is done on purpose. These people have psychological assessments they have to go through before they get these jobs and these assessments pick out a certain breed of person.
I ran across this just now, and thought about your comment above...
smh
Shaun Winkler, White Supremacist, Running For Sheriff In Idaho
SANDPOINT, Idaho -- He has been an Aryan Nations member and Ku Klux Klan leader, and now Shaun Winkler wants to be the sheriff in a rural Idaho county near the Canadian border.
The white power activist is running as a Republican in the May 15 Bonner County primary to become the top law enforcement officer. Winkler said despite the white supremacist beliefs he holds as a KKK imperial wizard, his brand of justice would be color blind.
"In the event I was elected sheriff, I would not act on racial profiling," Winkler said. "Being in the white power movement, I know how it feels to be profiled by law enforcement."
Rather, Winkler is running on a platform that includes coming down hard on sex offenders and meth manufacturers, and reducing the impact of federal law enforcement at the county level.
Cornel Rasor, chairman of the county Republican Central Committee, doesn't see much appeal to Winkler's candidacy.
"The seven people that like him will vote for him," Rasor said. "I don't think he has a chance.'"
Bonner County is heavily Republican, with a large Tea Party following. But "there are very few Aryans here," Rasor said.
A human rights group leader urged local voters to reject Winkler.
"If the voters of Bonner County will turn out in large numbers to oppose Winkler's candidacy, they will be sending a clear message of opposition to all those who come to our great state to promote hate-filled ideologies," said Tony Stewart of the Kootenai County Task Force on Human Relations, which, along with the Southern Poverty Law Center, put the Aryan Nations out of business with a lawsuit more than a decade ago.
Winkler, 33, was for years an associate of Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler, who ran for mayor of Hayden in 2003, the last time an admitted white supremacist appeared on a ballot in northern Idaho. Butler received only about 50 of the 2,300 votes cast in that election, Stewart said.
Winkler is running in the GOP primary against Sheriff Daryl Wheeler and Ponderay police officer Tim Fry. The winner will face independent Rocky Jordan in the November election.
Sandpoint, the county seat, is built along the shores of spectacular Lake Pend Oreille, and has a thriving tourist economy built around outdoor recreation and the arts. It shows up regularly on lists of the best small towns in the West.
But the area also has a history of radical and anti-government activism. The infamous Ruby Ridge standoff occurred about 20 miles north of here, and the Aryan Nations compound was about 30 miles south.
Kate McAlister, president of the Greater Sandpoint Chamber of Commerce, said Winkler is free to run for office, but his views do not reflect the majority in the area.
"Mr. Winkler does not in any way, shape or form represent Bonner County," McAlister said. "We are not exclusionary."
Bonner County, like much of the rest of the region, has a population that is overwhelmingly white – about 96 percent of the 40,000 residents.
Winkler moved to Priest River a year ago, and owns a landscaping business. He said he noticed immediately that there were large numbers of registered sex offenders and meth labs in the county.
He said he didn't think local law enforcement was taking the problems seriously enough and decided to file for sheriff.
Winkler, who has a Ron Paul sticker on his truck, has no law enforcement or military experience, which he considers a plus. He said he has been a registered Republican since the age of 18.
He considers himself a white separatist, who believes people of different races should live segregated lives.
Winkler picketed Mexican food carts in nearby Coeur d'Alene in 2011, and protested the annual Martin Luther King Jr. events at North Idaho College in January.
He believes his experiences in the white power movement are valuable.
"Most people in the white power movement are concerned about their neighborhoods," he said. "We oppose drugs, sex offenders and corruption in our areas."
He considers himself a mainstream candidate, but understands how others might not.
"Of the Republican candidates, I have the most controversy, but also have more of the traditional Republican values of patriotism," he said.
Winkler is married and the father of three young children.
For the past two years he has been the imperial wizard of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan for the state of Idaho, a group he said has only a handful of members in the region.
He has been doing some face-to-face campaigning in the Priest River and Sandpoint areas.
"A lot of people are 100 percent with me," he said. "Or they say, `I don't agree with your racist beliefs, but I agree the FBI shouldn't have jurisdiction here, and sex offenders and meth are becoming a problem that shouldn't be ignored.'"
But, he also acknowledged, "I've had people who say: `I don't want nothing to do with you.'"
posted
How come these brutality incidents are not causing "race riots?"
It's becasue our people have decided to accept a criminal identity. We sing songs on the radio about being drug dealing thing and through that become superstars.
We love to sing songs about being drug dealers and gat poppers.
So when something racist happens part of us feels like we deserved it a little bit even though we will talk like we are protesting.
And those of us who don't like this are afraid to really separate our identity from it too strongly for fear it's "disunity"
With a black president and former black Secretry of State it's ridiculous to call America an "Apatheid state". You can call them puppets if you want but they simply would never be in the positions at all in an Apatheid state. But what makes an apatheid state an apartheid state are clear cut racially discrimintory laws. Of course America is a former apartheid state and there are remnants of it. But it confuses the definition of an apartheid state, which is defined by certain laws, to be calling America an apartheid state today.
Swiss demographics can't be compared to American demographics. Tribalist aggression occurs when a population is large enough to be seen as threatening or competative with the majority population. It's a tipping point. When this population reaches a critical mass tribalist aggression, racism one of it's forms, emerges
We of African descent have a whole continent, Africa to build on. Maybe we could learn something from Swiss economics but we must bring that knowledge into African development. South Africa, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya I think we should pick one of these states and focus our input on it to make it a model for the diaspora and build from there. So farmost AA's are so ashamed of being African we cannot project our love to to help raise up our homeland. Focusing on ancient Egyptian culture is not going to help us. It is a culture that dies out 2000 years ago. Most of our brothers and sisters are in West Africa. We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
Instead we have become a people that is forever waiting around to react to something not learning to move forward. Having said this in the meantime we need to boycott until Ziimerman goes up for manslaughter charges. The police told him not to follow but he did it anyway. At the least a man like this has no right to carry a gun
Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
Of course the U.S. is an Apartheid state. The mulatto guy the Jews and some liberal whites put in was simply politics geared towards the Third World and Africa.
Posts: 5492 | Registered: Nov 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Of course the U.S. is an Apartheid state. The mulatto guy the Jews and some liberal whites put in was simply politics geared towards the Third World and Africa.
So an apartheid state has to put in a black president to appeal to the "Third World" and "Africa" ? And you are corrupting the definition of an Apartheid state. An Apatheid state has legally enforced racial segregation and discriminatory unenequal laws. You are missapplying the term as a critique. Jews are 2% of the U.S. population. If they had the power to put a Jew in as president they would have a long time ago and beamed with pride about it. Of course I'm sure you have a conspiratorial explanation why they didn't. You can alsway come up with one for any situation. And when I say "Jew" I don't mean someone who is half Jewish ancestry. I mean someone who as president says they are Jewish, and they go to a synagogue on a regular basis. If they were able to do that it would make Jews feel very proud and empowered. But they have not been able to do it yet. Why? Because the U.S. is primarily Christian. The Jews have some power but people hype it up because they are a much smaller group of white people to deal with. But It's an illusion and it's supported by white suremacist mythology, in other words traditional conservative America
Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: How come these brutality incidents are not causing "race riots?"
It's becasue our people have decided to accept a criminal identity. We sing songs on the radio about being drug dealing thing and through that become superstars.
We love to sing songs about being drug dealers and gat poppers.
So when something racist happens part of us feels like we deserved it a little bit even though we will talk like we are protesting.
And those of us who don't like this are afraid to really separate our identity from it too strongly for fear it's "disunity"
With a black president and former black Secretry of State it's ridiculous to call America an "Apatheid state". You can call them puppets if you want but they simply would never be in the positions at all in an Apatheid state. But what makes an apatheid state an apartheid state are clear cut racially discrimintory laws. Of course America is a former apartheid state and there are remnants of it. But it confuses the definition of an apartheid state, which is defined by certain laws, to be calling America an apartheid state today.
Swiss demographics can't be compared to American demographics. Tribalist aggression occurs when a population is large enough to be seen as threatening or competative with the majority population. It's a tipping point. When this population reaches a critical mass tribalist aggression, racism one of it's forms, emerges
We of African descent have a whole continent, Africa to build on. Maybe we could learn something from Swiss economics but we must bring that knowledge into African development. South Africa, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya I think we should pick one of these states and focus our input on it to make it a model for the diaspora and build from there. So farmost AA's are so ashamed of being African we cannot project our love to to help raise up our homeland. Focusing on ancient Egyptian culture is not going to help us. It is a culture that dies out 2000 years ago. Most of our brothers and sisters are in West Africa. We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
Instead we have become a people that is forever waiting around to react to something not learning to move forward. Having said this in the meantime we need to boycott until Ziimerman goes up for manslaughter charges. The police told him not to follow but he did it anyway. At the least a man like this has no right to carry a gun
you sound so stupid. I doubt you are of the diaspora and if you are, then you are what I call a Afro-anglo. Let me be clear, by that I mean a person of African decent who is fully european in mentality and culture.
Blacks in America have been kicked for a VERY long time and the situation for those in low income areas in the inner cities have only declined. When Luima was sodomized by those damn NYPD savages, people marched from uptown to Brooklyn. He was given a settlement, but did things really change? We still had Brothers Sean Bell, Ahmadu Diallo, Ramarly Graham, and MANY others, to many to name. Rioting wont do anything and it seems neither will marching. I have my opinion on what it will take but I am not going to say what I think that is.
If the diaspora was smart they would start educating themselves on their homeland, finding the Africanisms that still exist within their respective cultures to reacquaint themselves with their fathers, educate themselves in some secular knowledge be it engineering, M.D., I.T. etc and then find their way back to the continent. Staying here only helps these devils who reign hell down on their heads and backs.
Posts: 1296 | From: the planet | Registered: May 2011
| IP: Logged |
posted
I just made the same point about African development and you are just mad I did it beofre you so now you are copying.
The thing is that many African Americans feel there are more opportunities in America despite a certain level of ongoing racism and that for that reason it is more worthwile to stay in America.
typeZeiss, your mother raisedf you as a snob, you act snobby to everybody in this site, not just me and now you're copying my shyt
Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: I just made the same point about African development and you are just mad I did it beofre you so now you are copying.
The thing is that many African Americans feel there are more opportunities in America despite a certain level of ongoing racism and that for that reason it is more worthwile to stay in America.
typeZeiss, your mother raisedf you as a snob, you act snobby to everybody in this site, not just me and now you're copying my shyt
I am a African and as such I am a classist and I have no problem with admitting that. Certain people shouldn't mix up with others (has nothing to do with color on this point). I am also raised to speak on what I know and keep quiet on what I don't know. A value many on this site seem to lack. As for me "copying you", your taking the piss, am I right?
Posts: 1296 | From: the planet | Registered: May 2011
| IP: Logged |
posted
Black folks being killed and suffering injustice has fuk-all to do with conforming to any thing they were killing black folks during slavery,post slavery after a brief period of reconstruction, laws were made to further dehumanize and humiliate Blacks giving rise to utter contempt and hence lynching and the collecting of body parts T&R had an excellent thread on that,some of it was fear of competition from blacks..ex Black Wall street and Rose Wood. New White Migrants especially the Irish saw blacks who would move to the north as their primary competitors. http://video.pbs.org/video/2176766758 Clik here for an excellent vid on the matter of post slavery America.
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
^^^yeah but more way Afrcian Americans get killed by other African Americans than they do by European Americans
Posts: 42939 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
A more recent phenomena, when hate,contempt and continued marginalization turned inwards,but the thread header started with The Truth: Why Blacks Suffer Injustice..my answer to the question was the above post.
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^yeah but more way Afrcian Americans get killed by other African Americans than they do by European Americans
I think crime is ussually ethno-based but it doesn't justify a killing by anyone else from another ethnicgroup.
Posts: 22243 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
| IP: Logged |
quote:So an apartheid state has to put in a black president to appeal to the "Third World" and "Africa" ? And you are corrupting the definition of an Apartheid state. An Apatheid state has legally enforced racial segregation and discriminatory unenequal laws.
The mulatto guy was pushed into trhe presidency thing by 2 Jews, Soros and Kerry. Plus some others. They arranged it so he got the millions from Wall Street necessary to run this extremely expensive campaign.
After Bush 2, the U.S. needed a new gloss to confront the world. China was pushing in to Africa so U.S imperialism had to find the right agent to bamboozle those African governments. A mulatto guy with a proclaimed Kenyan connection has a better chance of selling AFRICOM than a regular pink-skinned guy.
They just packaged the guy with the right slogans: "Hope and Change" , "Yes, We Can", etc., and a lot of naive fools in search of some messiah just fell for it.
LOL, the end result: no hope, no change, no, you can't! LOL.
The U.S. is in fact an Apartheid state--as the residential, schooling, and job statistics inform. "Apartheid" just means "separate development". It fit's the U.S. to a T. As a result blacks live on average 8-10 years less than whites, spend more years locked away in jail, have higher infant mortality rates, higher recession level unemployment rates, etc. Looks likes 2 separate societies to me.
Forget the silly chatter about "democracy" and all that. Furthermore--and very importantly so--the LAWS and LEGAL JUSTICE--are very unevenly applied--from the death penalty down to shooting and killing blacks and walking away with a pat on the back.
What ultimately counts is reality not theory.
Posts: 5492 | Registered: Nov 2004
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I hypothesize that Blacks are killed due to a lack of conformity to social authority.
^Black people are feeble-minded but that is because they never got a chance to grow up and think for themselves and do for themselves. They have been "forced" into a dependent state and thus have a harder time with responsiblity. To say that blacks are killed because they don't conform is a lie. Blacks ALWAYS have to conform and everything they do is never right. Of course their coolness is good but that gets taken from them and get credited to white people.
The U.S. political, educational, economic, housing, health, entertainment, media, and any other sector of the U.S. system was and is designed to keep blacks in their low-class, second-class citizen state. Those who do better giving the appearance of 'conformity' are those who sacrifice their souls and succeed by benefiting whites while devasting blacks. In other words, those blacks are rewarded for hurting other blacks or turning their backs on blacks in the name of conformity.
Black people shouldn't have to kill their soul, dishonor their belief, hate their people, be ashamed of being black just to obey national laws that they were born into.
Blacks do have a serious behavior problem, but just like children they are helpless and have no choice but to follow who's in charged, but that always works against them. It's a case of damn if you do and damn if you don't.
Posts: 2088 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
Posts: 2088 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to.
'Cept African Americans were never completely stripped of traditional West African cultures.
Posts: 2508 | From: . | Registered: Nov 2011
| IP: Logged |
posted
I think you all are missing something critical. Black men are not fathers. You can talk about Europeans and everything else but this fact is inescapable.
Japanese = 1% of children with no father. Black American = 66% of children with no father.
Japanese arrested and put in jail = 1% Black Americans arrested and put in jail = 66%
There is no one but ourselves to blame. Listen to our music and consider our ways. This is our choice and it is a bad one.
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Osirion it is you are not listening when did this action of some black males to be absent fathers came into being I but you did not even bother cliking on the link I provided.
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
My wife is Korean and I am Black but we look exactly like each other in terms facial features.
Your stupid book smarts make you blind.
Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
You appear to be a very insecure Black guy (although didn't you claim you have some mixed ancestry?) who has married outside of his race to a Korean, so now is claiming blacks look like koreans in a sad attempt to justify it... Posts: 1575 | From: - | Registered: May 2011
| IP: Logged |
quote:Thick lips and wide noses are not an exclusive Negroid feature. Mongoloids sometimes show those traits with zero Black admixture. Blacks have actually zero unique physical features, all are found in other races. Its just that they have the most retention for all the most primitive traits in one, while the other races only have one or two of these shared archaic features.
quote:Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
This boy just love making sh!t-up!
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
Japanese are not Europeans and in fact are very similar to Africans in terms of facial features.
More pseudo-anthropology from this idiot.
Japs are Mongoloid and look nothing like Negroids. They are basically polar extremes.
My wife is Korean and I am Black but we look exactly like each other in terms facial features.
Your stupid book smarts make you blind.
Please do tell us how Mongoloid Koreans look like Negroids... their hair texture, bone structure and craniofacial features are completely different.
You appear to be a very insecure Black guy (although didn't you claim you have some mixed ancestry?) who has married outside of his race to a Korean, so now is claiming blacks look like koreans in a sad attempt to justify it...
I said my wife and I look very much alike in terms of facial features:
lips, nose, eyes, checks, chin.
She has a completely different shape head being that it is round while mine is tall and narrow.
Not sure what you mean by mixed ancestry? I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
Actually at work we had a Nigerian contractor who looked exactly like a Vietnamese guy we have working here.
If you look further than skin deep, Orientals and Africans have a lot in common in terms of common features but no in term of craniometrics. That is why the Mongoloid Olmecs look like Africans.
Mongoloid is a dumb term anyway. Those oids make people stupid as if racial features are discrete and only found in one group of people or another.
Dumb dumb dumb.
I said Black men should be Fathers and said nothing about who they should fall in love with. This is America, fall in love is a choice that shouldn't be political.
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Osirion it is you are not listening when did this action of some black males to be absent fathers came into being I but you did not even bother cliking on the link I provided.
I understand it is part of the slave heritage of African Americans and the apartheid system here. But that was then and this is now. We are the ones perpetuating the culture of slavery. Its in our music and out attitude towards women in terms of fatherhood. Not like the Japanese folks aren't freaks! They like to get it on. They enjoy sex and are a very sexual oriented people in way I don't see Blacks doing. Not saying Blacks are more sexually active or anything like that.
I am saying we don't have a culture of fatherhood.
The Japanese apparently strongly believe in a father figure in the home. Is this a choice the women make to sacrifice their identity to keep the man?
My point was - what should we as Africans do to break the cycle? Doesn't matter who is to blame.
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am various types of African with just 1/16th European if not less. I have Black North African ancestry and Black Jewish ancestry. All self identified Black ancestry besides the Scottish.
what country is your black jewish ancestry from?
,
Well actually I am Sephardic Jewish on my Mother side from Southern Morocco. Of course they don't go around calling themselves Black over there but here they recognize that they are Black. Black over there are the Haratians and they are the servant class. I assume my folks are mixed with Sephardic Jews and Haratian but not according to my folks. They can pass as Mexican or even Portuguese I suppose but they claim to be Black Americans because that is there experience here.
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Who don't have a culture of father hood Osirion your father did not run off neither did mine nor did most of my friends and even when separated from wives remains active in their kids life. you act as if thug's life is representative of Black men's life. I have a question are there more blacks who are middle/working class than black poor and under class? I am speaking before the financial meltdown three and a half yrs ago.
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
Posts: 1296 | From: the planet | Registered: May 2011
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Who don't have a culture of father hood Osirion your father did not run off neither did mine nor did most of my friends and even when separated from wives remains active in their kids life. you act as if thug's life is representative of Black men's life. I have a question are there more blacks who are middle/working class than black poor and under class? I am speaking before the financial meltdown three and a half yrs ago.
I am not American. My culture is different and more traditional. My mother didn't work or even know how to drive a car.
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
@ Osirion so even though you were born in America you are not! American and remain aloof from the lot but ready to claim you are when they do great things. again is a thug's life representative of Black males? or is of a certain type in the underclass.
Mike you and Betty boo are full of sh!t
"The small number of acts of injustice that one finds there [in Mali]; for the Negroes are of all peoples those who most abhor injustice. The sultan pardons no one who is guilty of it. The complete and general safety one enjoys throughout the land. The traveller has no more reason than the man who stays at home to fear brigands, thieves or ravishers. The blacks do not confiscate the goods of white men [that is, of North Africans or Arabs] who die in their country, not even when these consist of big treasures. They deposit them, on the contrary, with a man of confidence among the whites until those who have a right to the goods present themselves and take possession.
These are among the most recent ancestors of western blacks,so please tell what happened to them in between the time of Ibn Battuta both in Africa and the America's to this point where instability reigns, and one had better lock your door chain your bike put that anti theft stick in your steering wheel,carry a gun. The problem with your types is you act as if history did not happened people flocked to the shores of America for precisely the same reasons they once flocked to West Africa from all over the globe for economic and educational opportunities, if anything the condition of Africans at home and abroad today should be a lesson that things change and sometimes for the worst.
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: @ Osirion so even though you were born in America you are not! American and remain aloof from the lot but ready to claim you are when they do great things. again is a thug's life representative of Black males? or is of a certain type in the underclass.
Mike you and Betty boo are full of sh!t
"The small number of acts of injustice that one finds there [in Mali]; for the Negroes are of all peoples those who most abhor injustice. The sultan pardons no one who is guilty of it. The complete and general safety one enjoys throughout the land. The traveller has no more reason than the man who stays at home to fear brigands, thieves or ravishers. The blacks do not confiscate the goods of white men [that is, of North Africans or Arabs] who die in their country, not even when these consist of big treasures. They deposit them, on the contrary, with a man of confidence among the whites until those who have a right to the goods present themselves and take possession.
These are among the most recent ancestors of western blacks,so please tell what happened to them in between the time of Ibn Battuta both in Africa and the America's to this point where instability reigns, and one had better lock your door chain your bike put that anti theft stick in your steering wheel,carry a gun. The problem with your types is you act as if history did not happened people flocked to the shores of America for precisely the same reasons they once flocked to West Africa from all over the globe for economic and educational opportunities, if anything the condition of Africans at home and abroad today should be a lesson that things change and sometimes for the worst.
Actually I was not born here. Technically I am a Afro-European and not an African American. I don't think the high divorce rate and illegitemate children is associated with a thug life. It is the slave culture that is perpetuated by African Americans which has actually gotten better from what I hear.
The rolling stone culture of the Black American male is infamous.
The Japanese believe strongly in an authoritative honor system and are polar opposites to Negroes in terms of culture. In fact, as you know, it is more likely that the Wife would be sent away rather than the children raised without a Father in a Japanese family. Koreans are somewhat the same as well. Divorce would mean that the Wife is expelled but the children remain with the family authority - the Father.
Black men of slave ancestry not only do not have a concept of honoring Women they do not honor themselves as the authority of the family. This being partially due to the disgrace of a slave ancestry. Black men could not protect their families and learned to compensate for this shame by glorifying their sexuality when in fact it is a disgrace to us.
We could learn a lot from the Japanese. We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi), it is time we learn family honor from the Japanese.
How can we as a people go from 66% of our children being raised with no father to only 1% like the Japanese?
That is the real question of this thread?
Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
What is the absentee father rates for say Barbados,and the Bahamas did not these populations have slave ancestors listen to hip hop or whatever?? while the rates are high for members in the AA communities it is increasingly so for Americans in general as compared to the 50ts and 60ts wanna blame that on hip hop too!!
quote:Black men of slave ancestry not only do not have a concept of honoring Women they do not honor themselves as the authority of the family. This being partially due to the disgrace of a slave ancestry. Black men could not protect their families and learned to compensate for this shame by glorifying their sexuality when in fact it is a disgrace to us.
Absolute Bull Sh!T
Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
| IP: Logged |
posted
^ Hip hop? I never said anything is wrong with hip hop. It is what is specifically said in the music not the style.
"we want a lady in the street but a freak in the bed"
Why would a Black man glorify having a girl friend that is also a prostitute?
Also - what I am saying has been said before many times. Read WEB Dubois before calling what I said BS.
"rag city chick - tell that bitch to hop out, walk the boulevard, I need my money pronto. Need it in the morning like Alfonzo."
I just don't see Japanese doing this. They certainly have prostitutes in Japan and treat women in humiliating ways but it is not glorifyied as some sort of cultural value that should be passed on from generation to generation by veneration in music.
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
What you said here make no sense you that right?
quote:They certainly have prostitutes in Japan and treat women in humiliating ways but it is not glorifyied as some sort of cultural value that should be passed on from generation to generation
posted
^ aren't you Japanese? What is wrong with what I said? Japanese porno seems rather creepy and plan sick to me.
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
Posts: 2088 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Posts: 2088 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities.
When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people.
If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
Posts: 8785 | From: Discovery Channel's Mythbusters | Registered: Dec 2009
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
posted
Again the issue is 66% of our Black children have no fathers and 66% of our Black children end up in jail.
To ignore this reality is to invite a continuation of the cycle.
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
Posts: 1064 | Registered: Jan 2011
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
You're a fvcking LIAR!!! Black people do not stand on the shoulders of fvcking Ghandi. Ghandi nor India hold a place in AA history or heritage. I never met a black person who gave credit to Ghandi. Black people never mention India or Ghandi in their history, legacy, or heritage. Ghandi has nothing to do with AA or the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement of the 60s was orchestrated by the government. It never was MLK idea to visit India or Ghandi; that was the U.S. government ORDERS. MLK didn't even believe in the shyt Ghandi believed and not once ever gave him credit. MLK came from a legacy of hardcore fighting black soldiers from the black community. What the fvck he needed from Ghandi. It damn sure wasn't wisdom or black issues or tolerance. No one can teach or preach black people tolerance. Black people are the most tolerant patient group this world has to offer. You keep reading those white books and listening to white people tell my people's story and your azz would get dismissed. India and Ghandi can eat the pussey of black women and suck on the dycks on black men. He nor India has a place in our history, culture, legacy, or heritage and you don't EITHER!!! Take your nonblack, mutt, Krakker, Asian, biracial, or whatever you are elsewhere. Try telling an AA to his face that the black collective of America stands on the shoulders of Ghandi and Ghandi is great and see if your azz don't get dismissed or killed. That Ghandi bullshyt probably work in Britain with those stupid inferior blacks. Try preaching that shyt in America to a black person and see if you don't get your azz handed to you. MLk before his death didn't even speak of Ghandi or gave credit to Ghandi. It is always the U.S. government or white people bringing up that Ghandi bullshyt. I have yet to hear any black historian or those who personally new MLK ever speak of Ghandi. MLK family don't even speak of Ghandi. MLK himself never spoke of Ghandi. Your azz can't be black especially when your learning of the black experience comes from the story and mouths of white people.
Posts: 2088 | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
"I don't think he has a chance.'" 
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic