I wonder if Clyde Winters is still promoting the 'black man was here first" bullish.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
Yep, there's been some new findings to support the Solutrean Hypothesis. This also hit the newspapers in UK. More research is needed to be undertaken, i don't think the Solutrean Hypothesis is yet proven.
I think though that there is evidence Ainu's were in the Americas long before the Amerindian Mongoloids crossed over from the Berring Strait from Siberia.
Ainu are basically quasi-Caucasoid.
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ Ruined a good thread with an ugly head...
Posted by asante-Korton (Member # 18532) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Ruined a good thread with an ugly head...
hes is your ancestor be proud of him
Posted by claus3600 (Member # 19584) on :
@cassiterides
'Ainu are basically quasi-Caucasoid.'
How mobile are your goalposts?!
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Ruined a good thread with an ugly head...
hes is your ancestor be proud of him
My ancestors looked like this:
Cro-Magnon (American Natural History Bust)
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @cassiterides
'Ainu are basically quasi-Caucasoid.'
How mobile are your goalposts?!
I just go with what the data shows.
Ainu resemble Caucasoids in many ways, they most likely branched off from an ancestral Caucasoid line and have since developed on a seperate evolutionary path.
Posted by Oshun (Member # 19740) on :
I guess black people have entitlements to Europe then since early Europeans looked like this
So I guess that means Cassi can't whine about 'foreigners' coming in anymore now can he? At least, not black ones lol.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Ruined a good thread with an ugly head...
hes is your ancestor be proud of him
My ancestors looked like this:
Cro-Magnon (American Natural History Bust)
Wishful thinking.
The overwhelming majority of your early ancestors looked like this not a now extinct hominid. Get over it man.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ lol. Simpleton, Cro-Magnon's never went extinct. Caucasoids directly evolved from them, and there are still Caucasoids today who have retained the robust Upper Paleolithic Cro-Magnon morphology, they are called Cro-Magnids.
Cro-Magnids -
Brünn
Mostly unreduced, typically dolicho- or mesocephalic and mostly depigmented Upper Palaeolithic survivor of Cro-Magnid provenience.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: [QB] ^ lol. Simpleton, Cro-Magnon's never went extinct.
The pure lineages are gone, yes. The heritage you carry from them is so scant you couldn't claim to be anything close to reflecting a pure lineage of Cro Magnon. Morphology doesn't mean you have inherited a sizeable amount of their ancestry. Now please answer if it is this Cro Magnon "side" of you is what makes you superior, why this so-called, more superior, more intellectual lineage extinct in it's "purest" state? and why are those completely unrelated to them in contrast still here?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Red men? Hehe.. it was actually the Muurs:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Not much to say here except to point out that it is all coming together. This amageddeon time.
Nuff revelations.
Muurs to come.
The face of Emperor Atahualpa the last Inca Emperor:
quote:Ainu resemble Caucasoids in many ways, they most likely branched off from an ancestral Caucasoid line and have since developed on a seperate evolutionary path.
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Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ lol @ retard above.
From one of your own posted photos -
What is 'black' about this man? Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Whoa Cassiterides. Don't forget lines rows D,E, and F!!
What's black about the dude? That big nose. Big lips. Wiry hair. You know,the old black Sambo thing that used to tickle whites so much until blacks began to understand that ole black Sambo created the alphabet that you use, created Western religion, and created Europe itself:
When we began to see value in the big-nosed, big-lipped people, those, such as yourself, want to do anything you can to now try to pretend that black isn't black.
But, you know? I know your type and I realize that if I start getting involved in discussions with Mr. Anglo_P that it will continue ad infinitum and ad nauseum
Thanks for the inquiry but I will not engage in further pointless dialog with you.
Caoi
PS
My ancestors invented the script you use to write your caustic missiles. The least you could do is say, "Thanks, black folk!" . .
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ lol @ retard above.
From one of your own posted photos -
What is 'black' about this man?
Clown
Tha Ainu man above descended from ancient Ainu (Y-DNA Haplogroup D and DE) roots like these:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Tha Ainu man above descended from ancient Ainu (Y-DNA Haplogroup D and DE) roots like these:
This photo shows the Ainu as pale white skinned, check out the white painted hands...
Don't you spam this forum claiming white people are pale albinos?
Now all of a sudden black people have pale skin? Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: [QB] Whoa Cassiterides. Don't forget lines rows D,E, and F!!
What's black about the dude? That big nose. Big lips. Wiry hair.
His hair is wavy, a Caucasoid trait. Are you blind? He doesn't have Negroid wooly hair.
Secondly his nose is mesorrhine, not particularly wide.
quote:When we began to see value in the big-nosed, big-lipped people, those, such as yourself, want to do anything you can to now try to pretend that black isn't black.
Simpleton, you look at photos of people who look predominantly Caucasoid, like the Ainu, and then claim they are ''black''.
You are a self-hater.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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The so-called whites of England today have the black in their veins of the blacks that existed there before the Germanic Migrants admixed forming the offspring of whites of today's England:
An example of the ancestors of today's whites such as the knight James Edward Cerne.
Blacks had the names incursive whites adopted. There are white Cernes today:
Iron, nice picture selection of black Ainu. The white dog in the background is the pet of the brother with the afro.
Whites evidently hate themselves so much and are so jealous that any black we mention they are envious of and want for themselves. What happened to the good ole one drop rule. :-)
Such whites are self-haters!
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Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ More fantasy.
There were no blacks in UK until recent times.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Tha Ainu man above descended from ancient Ainu (Y-DNA Haplogroup D and DE) roots like these:
This photo shows the Ainu as pale white skinned, check out the white painted hands...
Don't you spam this forum claiming white people are pale albinos?
Now all of a sudden black people have pale skin?
^Clown, pleaseeeee!
ROFLMAO!
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Whites who cannot accept that blacks predated the Germanic Migration Period which brought them to Europe and produce progeny that carry black blood in their veins are delusionary.
Whites, Fess up. You got black blood in your veins and when you see successful blacks are so jealous you want to make them white.
You guys are pathetic self-haters.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington:
Whites, Fess up. You got black blood in your veins and when you see successful blacks are so jealous you want to make them white.
You guys are pathetic self-haters.
The only self-hater is you.
You post photos of white men and woman and then claim they are ''black''. Its because you hate your own Negroid features.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington:
Whites, Fess up. You got black blood in your veins and when you see successful blacks are so jealous you want to make them white.
You guys are pathetic self-haters.
The only self-hater is you.
You post photos of white men and woman and then claim they are ''black''. Its because you hate your own Negroid features.
Self-Hater, let me show you Muur features:
King William the Conqueror of England
Real pinks like many apes have no lips.
When you see the lips, start thinking "Muurish" Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: who has never been to Egypt.
From one of your own posted photos -
What is 'black' about this man?
Clown
Tha Ainu man above descended from ancient Ainu (Y-DNA Haplogroup D and DE) roots like these:
Genetic origins of the Ainu inferred from combined DNA analyses of maternal and paternal lineages
Phylogenetic position of the Ainu in Asian populations inferred from mtDNA data To investigate population relatedness between the Ainu and other Asian populations, we constructed a rooted NJ tree for the 16 Asian populations (Fig. 3), together with African population (Horai and Hayasaka 1990;
Fig. 3 Neighbor-joining tree for the 16 Asian populations, on the basis of dA distances estimated from the nucleotide sequences of 482-bp fragments of the D-loop region (positions 16129–16569 followed by positions 1–41 in the reference mtDNA sequence of Anderson et al. 1981) with the Kimura’s two-parameter correction (Kimura 1980). This tree is rooted with African population (Horai and Hayasaka 1990; Vigilant et al. 1991) as an outgroup. Bootstrap probabilities (over 50%) are attached to the internal branches. The scale for genetic distance is shown below the tree
Ainu chiefs played an important role in their society. Each Ainu village was administered by three hereditary chiefs. Interestingly, they were not allowed to judge criminals. This function was performed by other members of the community.
The Ainu are a distinctive ethnic group which used to have a culture completely different from that of the Japanese. This culture was virtually destroyed during the Meiji Period when policies aimed at assimilating the Ainu into Japanese culture outlawed their language and restricted their activities.
The word Ainu is derived from the word Aynu, which means human. These days some Ainu prefer the term Utari. During the Edo Period they were often referred to as Ezo, Yezo or Emishi. Although the Ainu probably inhabited large areas of Japan, they are now mainly found in Hokkaido.
During the 20th century heated debate raged over the origins of the Ainu. This was finally settled by the mid 1990’s when genetic studies showed that they are “the descendants of Japan’s ancient Jomon inhabitants, mixed with Korean genes of Yayoi colonists and of the modern Japanese.”1
1 Diamond, Jared (June, 1998). Japanese Roots. Discover Magazine Vol. 19: 86-94.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn? Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn?
Kennewick Man is Ainu, quasi-Caucasoid. Not European, but still closest to Caucasoid nonetheless.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
"America, in fact, is nothing but Europe. The white people in America are not Americans but in fact Europeans. When we call them Americans we allow them to escape; we define them incorrectly. We should call them Europeans and understand that they took that continent from somebody else. When you call them Americans you forget that they were Europeans, because you give them in fact the theory of native origin, that they came out of America. Where did Americans come from? They came from America - that is, somebody you call American. But, if you say they are Europeans (which is what they are), then the question arises as to where they came from - Europe."
- Kwame Ture
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Don't you spam around this forum that Whites are heavily bearded with body hair?
The Ainu are even more abundant in hair growth...
O, Liar Liar,
Show us those hairy Ainus who look like your hairy savage ass. Some pictures will serve as good examples.
Underhill et al. Ann. Hum. Genet. (2001), 65, 43–62 43
The phylogeography of Y chromosome binary haplotypes and the origins of modern human populations
the D-M174 mutation that defines haplogroup D. The M174 allele is found in the ancestral state in all African lineages including haplogroup E. The discovery of M174 mutation meant that haplogroup E could not be a subclade of haplogroup D. These findings effectively neutralized the argument of an Asian origin of the YAP+ based on the character state of the M40 and M96 mutations that define haplogroup E. According to Underhill et al. 2000, the M174 data alone would support an African origin of the YAP insertion.
J Hum Genet (2006) 51:47–58 DOI 10.1007/s10038-005-0322-0
ORIGINAL ARTICLE Michael F. Hammer Æ Tatiana M. Karafet Hwayong Park Æ
Keiichi Omoto Æ Shinji Harihara Mark Stoneking Æ Satoshi Horai
Dual origins of the Japanese: common ground for hunter-gatherer and farmer Y chromosomes
quote:"America, in fact, is nothing but Europe. The white people in America are not Americans but in fact Europeans. When we call them Americans we allow them to escape; we define them incorrectly. We should call them Europeans and understand that they took that continent from somebody else. When you call them Americans you forget that they were Europeans, because you give them in fact the theory of native origin, that they came out of America. Where did Americans come from? They came from America - that is, somebody you call American. But, if you say they are Europeans (which is what they are), then the question arises as to where they came from - Europe."
- Kwame Ture
I've been saying something similar as long as I can remember. Yes, they are Europeans. Swedish, Danish, Germans, Belgians, French, et al... all of them are Europeans.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn?
Kennewick Man is Ainu, quasi-Caucasoid. Not European, but still closest to Caucasoid nonetheless.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
Ainu chick!
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn?
Kennewick Man is Ainu, quasi-Caucasoid. Not European, but still closest to Caucasoid nonetheless.
Either you are new or just an idiot.
Closest common ancestor for the Ainu are the people of the Andaman Islands:
It is called convergent evolution. You cannot use oids to determine common ancestry in a global sense. There is absolutly no genetic connection between the Ainu and any groups of people considered Caucasian.
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Genetic testing has shown that the Ainu belong mainly to Y-haplogroup D2. Y-DNA haplogroup D2 is found frequently throughout the Japanese Archipelago including Okinawa. The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean. Tibet happens to also be the only place to have haplogroup DE* show up. Effectively this means that the Ainu and the people of Okinawa are directly derived from Negrito people.
Climate and diet - that is what makes us different.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Ainu chick!
There are no pure Ainu's left, they were replaced by Mongoloids. Just a small fraction of Mongoloids now have Ainu admixture. This female is phenotypically Mongoloid, not Ainu.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist who has never been to Egypt and is an impostor university student.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: Ainu chick!
There are no pure Ainu's left, they were replaced by Mongoloids. Just a small fraction of Mongoloids now have Ainu admixture. This female is phenotypically Mongoloid, not Ainu.
Tell that crap to the Aninu people living in Japan, not to me! I am not interrested in your disrespectful rubbish opinions, don't you get it? With your fake expertise's!
(6) Ainu People
Ainu people have an original and rich culture such as their own language, traditional ceremonies and rituals, and oral literature (Yukara), but due to integration policies taken in modern times, preservation and the handing down of traditions have not been sufficiently taken care of in the present day. People who understand the Ainu language and can carry on the traditions in particular are aging so that important foundations needed to continue the culture show signs of diminishing.
In addition, because other people do not understand the Ainu people very much, there still exist prejudice and discrimination towards them in employment and marriage.
The human rights organs of the Ministry of Justice have been taking various human rights promotion measures to improve understanding and recognition of Ainu people and to eliminate prejudice and discrimination.
''Most of those who identify themselves as Ainu still live in this same region, though the exact number of living Ainu is unknown. This is due to confusion over mixed heritages and to ethnic issues in Japan resulting in those with Ainu backgrounds hiding their identities. In Japan, because of intermarriage over many years with Japanese, the concept of a pure Ainu ethnic group is no longer feasible''
Modern Ainu are mixed with Mongoloid. No one in Japan recognises a pure Ainu ethnic group.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis. Posted by Bonampak420 (Member # 20156) on :
The Saisiyat tribe of Hsinchu and Miaoli will perform a solemn rite this weekend to commemorate a race of people that they exterminated
Drinking, singing and dancing are expected to take place deep in the mountains of Miaoli and Hsinchu when the "Ritual of the Little Black People" (矮靈祭) is performed by the Saisiyat tribe once again this weekend.
For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe (賽夏族) has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.
In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.
Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.
After the Little Black People -- and well before waves of Han migrations after 1600 -- came the Aboriginal tribes, who are part of the Austronesian race. They are thought to have come from the Malay Archipelago 6,000 years ago at the earliest and around 1,000 years ago at the latest, though theories on Aborigine migration to Taiwan are still hotly debated. Gradually the Little Black People became scarcer, until a point about 100 years ago, when there was just a small group living near the Saisiyat tribe.
The story goes that the Little Black People taught the Saisiyat to farm by providing seeds and they used to party together. But one day, the Little Black People sexually harassed some Aboriginal women. So, the Saisiyat took revenge and killed them off by cutting a bridge over which they were all crossing. Just two Little Black People survived. Before departing eastward, they taught the Saisiyat about their culture and passed down some of their songs, saying if they did not remember their people they would be cursed and their crops would fail.
The Saisiyat kept their promise and have held the Ritual of the Little Black People every year, though they scaled down the ceremonies during the Japanese colonial period (1895 to 1945). Now the ritual is held every two years on the 10th full moon of the lunar calendar, with a big festival once every 10 years. At this time, the Saisiyat are not supposed to fight and they congregate in their ancestral areas of Miaoli and Hsinchu, in the mountains.
"I've seen it written of as a celebration, but to me it seemed quite a mournful affair, especially in the way the music came across, which was trancelike, a haunting kind of chant with a series of 10 to 15 songs," said long-term Taiwan resident Lynn Miles, who has been to the ritual three times and will be going again this year.
"There's nothing else quite like it in its tone and in its mood. I've been to other festivals but this is non-stop."
Miles said the dances were not set pieces but usually involved holding hands and moving around in a circle, chanting, with those who know the songs doing most of the singing and a shaman figure keeping order.
A spokeswoman at the Council of Indigenous Peoples (under the Executive Yuan) said that those who have "unclean thoughts" have their souls snatched by the spirits of the Little Black People and will pass out until the shaman revives them.
Miles said the shaman seemed to serve a public-order function by chasing off those who were too drunk or out of order.
The ceremonies are held in two places. The ritual began yesterday in Nanchuang Township, Miaoli County, and will carry on there until Monday. Rituals start today in Wufeng Township, Hsinchu County, and will last through tomorrow.
Getting there:
To Wufeng:
Route 122 to Wufeng can be accessed off No. 1 Highway near Toufen.
To Nanchuang:
Take western No. 1 Highway. Near Toufen, take Route 124 toward Sanwan to Nanchuang. Shuttle buses will take visitors to the ritual site at Xiangtian Lake.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
''Most of those who identify themselves as Ainu still live in this same region, though the exact number of living Ainu is unknown. This is due to confusion over mixed heritages and to ethnic issues in Japan resulting in those with Ainu backgrounds hiding their identities. In Japan, because of intermarriage over many years with Japanese, the concept of a pure Ainu ethnic group is no longer feasible''
Modern Ainu are mixed with Mongoloid. No one in Japan recognises a pure Ainu ethnic group.
1) They aren't from the caucasus region!
2) I don't care about your wiki-waki pedia vs Japanese sources.lol
3) They are the descendants of Ainu. And I am not interested in your opinion as I wrote before. Point blank! Go tell them about your opinionated colonial mindset.
The majority of Ainu remain in Hokkaido — a 2006 government survey put their numbers on Japan’s northern island at 23,782 — and estimates in greater Tokyo range from 2,500 to 10,000. The true figure, however, could be much higher, as many Ainu lack the self-assurance to acknowledge their identity.
At the Hokkaido Ainu Convention in Shizunai, Hokkaido, in 1946, the Hokkaido Ainu Association was established primarily to provide higher education and collaborate in the construction of social welfare facilities. In 1961, the association changed its name to the Hokkaido Utari Association. The association is actively engaged tackling in various problems regarding the Ainu. In 1984, the Hokkaido Utari Association resolved that the Government should enact the New Ainu Law (tentative name), a new law which replaces the current "Hokkaido Aborigine Protection Act." Since then, the association has been conducting an active campaign to demand that the national government enact the New Ainu Law as soon as possible. Furthermore, these days, various activities are being vigorously promoted to revive the Ainu language and to preserve and maintain Ainu culture, such as traditional dancing and various ceremonies. Ainu language classes are being held in various parts of Hokkaido. Moreover, associations to preserve traditional dancing have been organized to revive and conduct ceremonies such as iyomante and chipsanke.
Ainu who lived in Hokkaido, the Kurile Islands and Sakhalin were called "Hokkaido Ainu", "Kurile Ainu" and "Sakhalin Ainu"respectively. Most Ainu now live in Hokkaido. It has been confirmed that a few Ainu people now live in Sakhalin.
The Saisiyat tribe of Hsinchu and Miaoli will perform a solemn rite this weekend to commemorate a race of people that they exterminated
Drinking, singing and dancing are expected to take place deep in the mountains of Miaoli and Hsinchu when the "Ritual of the Little Black People" (矮靈祭) is performed by the Saisiyat tribe once again this weekend.
For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe (賽夏族) has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.
In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.
Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.
After the Little Black People -- and well before waves of Han migrations after 1600 -- came the Aboriginal tribes, who are part of the Austronesian race. They are thought to have come from the Malay Archipelago 6,000 years ago at the earliest and around 1,000 years ago at the latest, though theories on Aborigine migration to Taiwan are still hotly debated. Gradually the Little Black People became scarcer, until a point about 100 years ago, when there was just a small group living near the Saisiyat tribe.
The story goes that the Little Black People taught the Saisiyat to farm by providing seeds and they used to party together. But one day, the Little Black People sexually harassed some Aboriginal women. So, the Saisiyat took revenge and killed them off by cutting a bridge over which they were all crossing. Just two Little Black People survived. Before departing eastward, they taught the Saisiyat about their culture and passed down some of their songs, saying if they did not remember their people they would be cursed and their crops would fail.
The Saisiyat kept their promise and have held the Ritual of the Little Black People every year, though they scaled down the ceremonies during the Japanese colonial period (1895 to 1945). Now the ritual is held every two years on the 10th full moon of the lunar calendar, with a big festival once every 10 years. At this time, the Saisiyat are not supposed to fight and they congregate in their ancestral areas of Miaoli and Hsinchu, in the mountains.
"I've seen it written of as a celebration, but to me it seemed quite a mournful affair, especially in the way the music came across, which was trancelike, a haunting kind of chant with a series of 10 to 15 songs," said long-term Taiwan resident Lynn Miles, who has been to the ritual three times and will be going again this year.
"There's nothing else quite like it in its tone and in its mood. I've been to other festivals but this is non-stop."
Miles said the dances were not set pieces but usually involved holding hands and moving around in a circle, chanting, with those who know the songs doing most of the singing and a shaman figure keeping order.
A spokeswoman at the Council of Indigenous Peoples (under the Executive Yuan) said that those who have "unclean thoughts" have their souls snatched by the spirits of the Little Black People and will pass out until the shaman revives them.
Miles said the shaman seemed to serve a public-order function by chasing off those who were too drunk or out of order.
The ceremonies are held in two places. The ritual began yesterday in Nanchuang Township, Miaoli County, and will carry on there until Monday. Rituals start today in Wufeng Township, Hsinchu County, and will last through tomorrow.
Getting there:
To Wufeng:
Route 122 to Wufeng can be accessed off No. 1 Highway near Toufen.
To Nanchuang:
Take western No. 1 Highway. Near Toufen, take Route 124 toward Sanwan to Nanchuang. Shuttle buses will take visitors to the ritual site at Xiangtian Lake.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
Ainu have zero connection to Negrito. You are clueless. They cluster with Mongoloids (see Cavalli-Sforza, 1994). However the ancient Ainu were quasi-Caucasoid, not Mongoloid. As has been pointed out modern Ainu are heavily admixed with Mongoloid peoples, so of course they are going to cluster specifically with them.
Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
quote:They aren't from the caucasus region!
A clear admission you know nothing about anthropology...
Caucasoid does not mean strickly from the Caucasus region, the same way Australoid does not mean strickly from Australia and Mongoloid does not mean strickly from Mongolia.
These anthropological racial terms are not literal, but archetypal.
Please learn the basics.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on :
^ Show us a picture of what you think a modern Mediterranid looks like.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:They aren't from the caucasus region!
A clear admission you know nothing about anthropology...
Caucasoid does not mean strickly from the Caucasus region, the same way Australoid does not mean strickly from Australia and Mongoloid does not mean strickly from Mongolia.
These anthropological racial terms are not literal, but archetypal.
Please learn the basics.
Your fantasies are running wild now.
They have nothing to do with the Caucasus.
Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself like this.
Posted by Troll Patrol (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn?
Kennewick Man is Ainu, quasi-Caucasoid. Not European, but still closest to Caucasoid nonetheless.
Either you are new or just an idiot.
Closest common ancestor for the Ainu are the people of the Andaman Islands:
It is called convergent evolution. You cannot use oids to determine common ancestry in a global sense. There is absolutly no genetic connection between the Ainu and any groups of people considered Caucasian.
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Genetic testing has shown that the Ainu belong mainly to Y-haplogroup D2. Y-DNA haplogroup D2 is found frequently throughout the Japanese Archipelago including Okinawa. The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean. Tibet happens to also be the only place to have haplogroup DE* show up. Effectively this means that the Ainu and the people of Okinawa are directly derived from Negrito people.
Climate and diet - that is what makes us different.
Cosign!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
No, because there is no such thing as "Caca-soid". Such racial terms are debunked and have no scientific value, but of course you deny otherwise.
Do you consider this Eurasian boy below quasi-Negroid?
quote:That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
Yes, well Ironlion is no less nutty than YOU are! He, Mike, and Marc Washington are no more than the black version of YOU-- a pathetic low self-esteem loser who wants to white-wash the world the same way the aforementioned losers want to black-paint it. Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Dude (Dj). Show me a web page you dispute and why.
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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
No, because there is no such thing as "Caca-soid". Such racial terms are debunked and have no scientific value, but of course you deny otherwise.
Do you consider this Eurasian boy below quasi-Negroid?
quote:That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
Yes, well Ironlion is no less nutty than YOU are! He, Mike, and Marc Washington are no more than the black version of YOU-- a pathetic low self-esteem loser who wants to white-wash the world the same way the aforementioned losers want to black-paint it.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
Ainu have zero connection to Negrito. You are clueless. They cluster with Mongoloids (see Cavalli-Sforza, 1994). However the ancient Ainu were quasi-Caucasoid, not Mongoloid. As has been pointed out modern Ainu are heavily admixed with Mongoloid peoples, so of course they are going to cluster specifically with them.
The Ainu are related to a wave of Out of Africa population that became the people of Papua New Guinea. They are haplogroup D. The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean.
Looks are deceiving. They may look Caucasian but they are a mixture of Mongoloid and a Afro-Asian people. Its called adaptation.
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