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With this thread I hope to show the danger of identifying persons as Black, who do not self-identify as Blacks, and are thus of little use to understand the roll of Blacks, in history and present. They seem to represent how white supremacy wants Black to act. The problem is seldom their looks, but their clinging to a Black identity, a Black history, a roll for blacks outside white supremacy. If they are somehow talented as sports people or artist, they might be accepted as honorary whites, who bring glory to Holland. And there will never be any mention of them looking black, or originating in Surinam or Africa. They are simply Dutch.
Stephan Sander's wiki article does not mention his parents. He credits Anil Ramdas for pointing out to him his blackness.
In the Dutch media there are persons who look Black or brown complexioned, with Classical African facial traits, but do not identify as Black. We often do not know where the blackness in appearance comes from. They usually date and marry whites, and have half-white children. They are discussed in the popular press, their lives, loves, divorces, marriages, and children. But as if they were whites.
These person's have their own tv shows, are always at show bizz events, but never anything about their not looking white. They might instinctively shirk from podia which might associate them with Blackness or controvery around Blacks.
Chimene van Oosterhout has her own tv shows. Wiki tells us she is part Indian, part mixed black Surinamese, and grew up on Curacao. I have never heard her name mentioned in connection with these two former colonies.
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Former boxer and haberdasher Regilio Tuur
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Leontien Moorsel
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The extremely beautiful and buxom Fayah Lourens has a Antillian father
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