The White mans history - an exercise in falsehood and duplicity Or how to add 1+1 and get 3,4,5, whatever you need!
Try to make sense of this!
A study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people: by Thomas William Shore (1906)
Our Darker Forefathers. As regards the ancient brown race or races of North Europe, there can be no doubt of their existence in the south-east of Norway and in the east of Friesland.
Location of Friesland in the Netherlands
There can be no doubt about the important influence which the old Wendish race has had in the north-eastern parts of Germany in transmitting to their descendants a more brunette complexion than prevails among the people of Hanover, Holstein, and Westphalia, of more pure Teutonic descent.
Wends - West Slavs living near Germanic settlement areas. It is believed that Germanic peoples originally applied the ethnonym to the ancient Veneti, and that after the migration period they transferred it to their new easterly neighbours, the Slavs. Following the 8th century, the Frankish kings and their successors organized nearly all Wendish land into marches. This process later turned into the series of crusades. By the 12th century, all Wendish lands had become part of the Holy Roman Empire. In the course of the Ostsiedlung, which reached its peak in the 12th to 14th centuries, this land was settled by Germans and reorganized. Due to the process of assimilation following German settlement, many Slavs west of the Oder adopted the German culture and language.
Personifications of Wends - Sclavinia (Slav), Germania (German), Gallia (Gaul), and Roma (Rome), bringing offerings to Otto III; from a gospel book dated 990.
The White Slav's were made Brown by admixture with the Black Germans - but the Germans here are White???
The consideration of the evidence that people of brunette complexions were among the Anglo-Saxon settlers in England leads on to that of people of a still darker hue, the dark, black, or brown-black settlers. Probably there must have been some of these among the Anglo-Saxons, for we meet with the personal names Blacman, Blaecman, Blakernan, Blacaman, Blac'sunu, Blsecca, and Blacheman, in various documents of the period.
The Old English term for the darker-complexioned Britons brown men or black men Wealas. (Wealas - which is what the new Anglo-Saxon people called the native Celtic inhabitants of England). There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion.
The so-called black men of the Anglo-Saxon period probably included some of the darker Wendish people among them, immigrants or descendants of people of the same race as the ancestors of the Sorbs (Wends) of Lausatia (a region on the territory of Germany and Poland) on the borders of Saxony and Prussia at the present day (Germany). Some of the darker Wends may well have been among the Black Vikings referred to in the Irish annals.
Anglo-Saxon is a term used by historians to designate the Germanic tribes who invaded the south and east of Great Britain beginning in the early 5th century AD, and the period from their creation of the English nation to the Norman conquest. The Benedictine monk, Bede, writing in the early 8th century, identified the English as the descendants of three Germanic tribes:
The Angles, who may have come from Angeln (in modern Germany); Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain, leaving their former land empty. The name England (Old English: Engla land or Ængla land) originates from this tribe. The Saxons, from Lower Saxony (in modern Germany; German: Niedersachsen) and the Low Countries. The Jutes, possibly from the Jutland peninsula (in modern Denmark; Danish: Jylland).
The Free State of Saxony is a state of Germany, located in the eastern part of present-day Germany.
This was supposedly the Roman concept of Germany.
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The Franks were a West Germanic tribal confederation first attested in the third century AD as living north and east of the Lower Rhine River. From the third to fifth centuries some Franks raided Roman territory while other Franks joined the Roman troops in Gaul. Only the Salian Franks formed a kingdom on Roman-held soil that was acknowledged by the Romans after 357. In the climate of the collapse of imperial authority in the West, the Frankish tribes were united under the Merovingians and conquered all of Gaul except Septimania in the 6th century. The Salian political elite would be one of the most active forces in spreading Christianity over western Europe.
The Merovingian dynasty, descended from the Salians, founded one of the Germanic monarchies which replaced the Western Roman Empire from the fifth century. The Frankish state consolidated its hold over large parts of western Europe by the end of the eighth century, developing into the Carolingian Empire which dominated most of Western Europe. This empire would gradually evolve into France and the Holy Roman Empire.
[Note the Visigoth kingdom in Red, those are the White people that we call Germans today]
Frankish Realm or occasionally Frankland, was the territory inhabited and ruled by the Franks from the 3rd to the 10th century. Under the nearly continuous campaigns of Charles Martel, Pepin the Short, and Charlemagne—father, son, grandson—the greatest expansion of the Frankish empire was secured by the early 9th century.
There will be many names mentioned here, everyone is encouraged to find as many fake White images of these people as they can.
Holy Roman Emperor: AD 800
In 799, for the third time in half a century, a pope is in need of help from the Frankish king. After being physically attacked by his enemies in the streets of Rome (their stated intention is to blind him and cut out his tongue, to make him incapable of office), Leo III makes his way through the Alps to visit Charlemagne at Paderborn.
It is not known what is agreed, but Charlemagne travels to Rome in 800 to support the pope. In a ceremony in St Peter's, on Christmas Day, Leo is due to anoint Charlemagne's son as his heir. But unexpectedly (it is maintained), as Charlemagne rises from prayer, the pope places a crown on his head and acclaims him emperor.
Charlemagne expresses displeasure but accepts the honour. The displeasure is probably diplomatic, for the legal emperor is undoubtedly the one in Constantinople. Nevertheless this public alliance between the pope and the ruler of a confederation of Germanic tribes now reflects the reality of political power in the west. And it launches the concept of the new Holy Roman Empire which will play an important role throughout the Middle Ages.
The Holy Roman Empire only becomes formally established in the next century. But it is implicit in the title adopted by Charlemagne in 800: 'Charles, most serene Augustus, crowned by God, great and pacific emperor, governing the Roman empire.'
Emperors and popes: AD 962-1250
The imperial role accorded by the pope to Charlemagne in 800 is handed on in increasingly desultory fashion during the 9th century. From 924 it falls into abeyance. But in 962 a pope once again needs help against his Italian enemies. Again he appeals to a strong German ruler.
The coronation of Otto I by pope John XII in 962 marks a revival of the concept of a Christian emperor in the west. It is also the beginning of an unbroken line of Holy Roman emperors lasting for more than eight centuries. Otto I does not call himself Roman emperor, but his son Otto II uses the title - as a clear statement of western and papal independence from the other Christian emperor in Constantinople.
Otto and his son and grandson (Otto II and Otto III) regard the imperial crown as a mandate to control the papacy. They dismiss popes at their will and instal replacements more to their liking (sometimes even changing their mind and repeating the process). This power, together with territories covering much of central Europe, gives the German empire and the imperial title great prestige in the late 10th century.
But subservience was not the papal intention in reinstating the Holy Roman Empire. A clash is inevitable.
Papal decline and recovery: AD 1046-1061
The struggle for dominance between emperor and pope comes to a head in two successive reigns, of the emperors Henry III and Henry IV, in the 11th century. The imperial side has a clear win in the first round.
In 1046 Henry III deposes three rival popes. Over the next ten years he personally selects four of the next five pontiffs. But after his death, in 1056, these abuses of the system bring a rapid reaction. Pope Nicholas II, elected in 1058, initiates a process of reform which exposes the underlying tension between empire and papacy.
In 1059, at a synod in Rome, Nicholas condemns various abuses within the church. These include simony (the selling of clerical posts), the marriage of clergy and, more controversially, corrupt practices in papal elections. Nicholas now restricts the choice of a new pope to a conclave of cardinals, thus ruling out any direct lay influence. Imperial influence is his clear target.
In 1061 the assembled bishops of Germany - the emperor's own faction - declare all the decrees of this pope null and void. Battle is joined. But meanwhile the pope has been enlisting new allies.
In 1059 Nicholas II takes two political steps of a kind, unusual at this period, which will later be commonplace for the medieval papacy. He grants land, already occupied, to recipients of his own choice; and he involves those recipients in a feudal relationship with the papacy, or the Holy See, as the feudal lord.
This time the beneficiaries are the Normans, who are granted territorial rights in southern Italy and Sicily in return for feudal obligations to Rome. The pope, in an overtly political struggle against the German emperor, is playing a strong hand. The issue will be brought to a head within a few years by another pope, Gregory VII.
Gregory VII and investiture: AD 1075
Pope Gregory seizes political control by decreeing, in 1075, that no lay ruler may make ecclesiastical appointments. Powerful bishops and abbots are henceforth to be pope's men rather than emperor's men.
The issue becomes known as the investiture controversy, being in essence a dispute over who has the right to invest high clerics with the robes and insignia of office.
The appointment of bishops and abbots is too valuable a right to be easily relinquished by secular rulers. Great feudal wealth and power is attached to these offices. And high clerics, as the best educated members of the medieval community, are important members of any administration.
In subsequent periods compromises are made on both sides, particularly in the Concordat of Worms, in 1122, where a distinction is made between the spiritual and secular element in clerical appointments. But investiture remains a bone of contention between the papacy and lay rulers - not only in the empire, after the first dramatic flare up between Gregory and Henry IV, but also in France and England.
Rome and the struggle for power: AD 1076-1138
The nine-year struggle between pope Gregory VII and the emperor Henry IV provides a vivid glimpse of the political role of the medieval papacy. St Gregory, canonized in the Catholic Reformation, is one of the great defenders of papal power. His career involves incessant power-broking and military struggle.
Henry IV, alarmed at the demands being made over investiture, sends a threatening letter to the pope in 1076. The pope responds by excommunicating the emperor. By his public penance at Canossa, Henry has the excommunication lifted. But the truce is short-lived. Henry's enemies, prompted by the pope's action, take a hand.
German princes opposed to Henry IV elect and crown, in 1077, a rival king - Rudolf, the duke of Swabia. Rudolf and Henry engage in a civil war, which Henry wins in 1080. By then the pope has recognized Rudolf as the German king and has again excommunicated Henry.
This time Henry's response is more aggressive. He summons a council which deposes the pope and elects in his place the archbishop of Ravenna (as pope Clement III). Henry marches into Italy, enters Rome and is crowned emperor by this pope of his own creation. Meanwhile the real pope, Gregory, is living in a state of siege in his impregnable Roman fortress, the Castel Sant'Angelo.
Gregory appeals for help to his vassals the Normans, recently invited by the papacy to conquer southern Italy and Sicily. A Norman army reaches Rome in 1084, drives out the Germans and rescues Gregory. But the Norman sack of the city is so violent, and provokes such profound hostility, that Gregory has to flee south with his rescuers. He dies in 1085 in Sicily.
Clement III returns to Rome and reigns there with imperial support as pope (or in historical terms as antipope) for most of the next ten years. Urban II, the pope who preaches the first crusade in 1095, is not able to enter the holy city for several years after his election. Unrest prevails in Rome, and uncertainty in the empire, until the Hohenstaufen win the German crown in 1138.
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HISTORY OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE - continued.
Hohenstaufen: AD 1138-1254
The castle of Staufen, in Swabia, lends its name to the Hohenstaufen dynasty. Frederick, the builder of the castle, is a faithful follower of the emperor Henry IV. In 1079 he marries the emperor's daughter, Agnes. In 1138, after some years of upheaval and civil war, their son Conrad is elected the German king - as Conrad III.
For more than a century, with one minor interruption, members of the Hohenstaufen family inherit the German kingdom - usually together with the status of Holy Roman emperor. The first Hohenstaufen to make a profound impression on the empire is Conrad's nephew, Frederick I.
In a reign of thirty-eight years Frederick, known also as Frederick Barbarossa, asserts his authority throughout Germany and extends imperial power into Bohemia, Poland and Hungary. But his greatest effort is in Italy, where he tries to recover the empire in the north and to extend it south of the papal states down to Sicily.
He meets strong opposition in the north from the Italian communes, who form the Lombard league to resist him. And his attempts in the south are unpopular with the papacy, alarmed at the danger of being surrounded. In the long term Frederick's most significant act, before his death on crusade in 1190, is to marry his son Henry to Constance, heiress to the Norman kingdom of Sicily.
The marriage of Henry to Constance brings Sicily and southern Italy into the German empire. Henry VI is crowned emperor in Rome in 1191 and king of Sicily in 1194. But he dies shortly afterwards, in 1197, when his son Frederick is just three years old.
At first it seems unlikely that the boy can inherit both Sicily and the German kingdom, particularly since the prospect displeases the papacy. From 1198 he is recognized only as king of Sicily. But after a period of confusion, with warring candidates, he is also elected king by the German princes in 1211. With some reluctance the pope accepts the situation. He crowns Frederick II emperor in Rome in 1220.
Subsequent popes have cause to regret this coronation. They excommunicate Frederick II twice, and even proclaim a crusade against him, in a prolonged power struggle which eventually weakens his authority in both Sicily and Germany. In spite of the brilliance of his court in Sicily, and the nonchalant ease with which he achieves his own crusade to Jerusalem, Frederick leaves an inheritance which cannot long survive him.
His son, Conrad IV, becomes the last ruler in the Hohenstaufen line. With Conrad's death, in 1254, there is a vacancy on the German throne which is not filled for another nineteen years.
After the Hohenstaufen: AD 1254-1438
The Hohenstaufen period has seen some notably forceful popes (Innocent III, Gregory IX, Innocent IV) and powerful emperors (Frederick I, Frederick II). It is followed, after the death of the last Hohenstaufen ruler in 1254, by a prolonged time of uncertainty in both papacy and empire.
The popes abandon Rome in 1309 and spend most of the 14th century in self-imposed exile in Avignon. From 1378 there are two rival popes (a number subsequently rising to three) in the split known as the Great Schism.
Meanwhile, for almost twenty years after the death of Conrad IV in 1254, the German princes fail to elect any effective king or emperor. This period is usually known (with a grandiloquence to match the Great Schism in the papacy) as the Great Interregnum.
The interregnum ends with the election of Rudolf I as German king in 1273. The choice subsequently seems of great significance, because he is the first Habsburg on the German throne. But the Habsburg grip on the succession remains far in the future. During the next century the electors choose kings from several families. Not till the coronation of Charles IV in 1346 is there the start of another dynasty - that of the house of Luxembourg.
Charles IV is crowned emperor in Rome in 1355. He makes his capital in Prague (he has inherited Bohemia as well as Luxembourg), bringing the city its first period of glory. The imperial dignity remains in Charles's family until 1438, when it is transferred to the Habsburgs.
At the beginning and end of those eighty years Charles and his son Sigismund take a strong line with the papacy. Within a year of his coronation, Charles issues the Golden Bull of 1356 which excludes the pope from any influence in the choice of emperor. And in 1414 Sigismund is instrumental in bringing together the Council of Constance which finally ends the Great Schism and restores a single pope to Rome.
The Golden Bull and the electors: AD 1356-1806
The Golden Bull, issued by Charles IV in 1356, clarifies the new identity which the Holy Roman empire has been gradually adopting. It ends papal involvement in the election of a German king, by the simple means of denying Rome's right to approve or reject the electors' choice. In return, by a separate agreement with the pope, Charles abandons imperial claims in Italy - apart from a title to the kingdom of Lombardy, inherited from Charlemagne.
The emphasis is clear. This is now to be essentially a German empire, as reflected in a new form of the title adopted in 1452 - sacrum Romanum imperium nationis Germanicae (Holy Roman empire of the German nation).
The Golden Bull also clarifies and formalizes the process of election of a German king. The choice has traditionally been in the hands of seven electors, but their identity has varied.
The group of seven is now established as three archbishops (of Mainz, Cologne and Trier) and four hereditary lay rulers (the count palatine of the Rhine, the duke of Saxony, the margrave of Brandenburg and the king of Bohemia).
This group of seven electors remains unchanged until the 17th century, when an eighth vote is added (the newcomer to the list is the duke of Bavaria). In 1708 the ruler of Hanover becomes a ninth elector. But by this time the idea of election is as meaningless as in any rotten borough. The office of Holy Roman Emperor has become a hereditary attachment of one family.
From 1438 to 1806 every Holy Roman Emperor but one is part of the Habsburg dynasty. The reason for the exception, in 1742-5, is that the Habsburg ruler of Austria is a woman, Maria Theresa.
An abrupt end: AD 1806
The official Holy Roman empire, based in Vienna, is by the early 19th century little more than a ceremonial shell, brittle with age and dignity. And it is under threat. It is widely assumed that Napoleon's intention, after appointing himself emperor of France, is to claim the greater title by defeating Austria.
The emperor, Francis II, has no way of ensuring victory on the battlefield, but he finds a simple way of frustrating the ambitions of his French rival. Declaring himself in 1804 the last Holy Roman Emperor, he now uses the title emperor of Austria (henceforth to be known as Francis I, being the first in his new hereditary role). In 1806 Francis formally abolishes the Holy Roman Empire. It has lasted just over 1000 years.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Troll Patrol - It appeared in another thread that you were giving credence to "supposed" old drawings - DON'T. They are the easiest things for the White man to fake.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^ Mike fears that if he had his DNA tested it might be primarily from Africa rather than black German. So he continues to do back flips with the history spam.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Troll Patrol - It appeared in another thread that you were giving credence to "supposed" old drawings - DON'T. They are the easiest things for the White man to fake.
yes Mike, Coats of Arms would be more difficult to fake than classical oil paintings. They just skipped those because they were too difficult to change. keep going
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
This brown women look like otto and his wife
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Evangeliar Kaiser Ottos III, circa 1000 A.D.
Does anybody really believe that this book is 1000 years old? Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Illuminated manuscripts and Egyptian papyrus illustations often retain good color saturation due to the fact that they are not often exposed to light as are wall paintings. So stop the fvcking nonsense
thank you,
lioness productions
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Egmond, listen to what's Mike is saying. All people originally come from Africa. Mike says that the Africans who populated Europe in prehistoric times were killed off in medieval times during the Thirty Years (race) War. Therefore you and Mike are not related to that line of Africans. You are related to Africans who came in later, after the prehistoric period, a different branch of Africans. Don't get mad at me, this is Mike's world we just live in it.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Coins of the Holy Roman Empire
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Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
New images! Very cool! ______________ Jean fouquet you have any written evidence saying he was a Moor?
In this image he is yellow but The phenotype look like a black man
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
The above is of Otto I, a Statue from Magdeburg Cathedral. It shows the King and Queen of Germany with limp hair flowing down over their shoulders. There is a brown color on their face and necks but not on their hands. What is it? Is it supposed to be skin color similar to Arabs, some Turks or any number of people from around the world from Mexicans to Africans. Is the color simply rust if the heads are not the same material as the body? What are the materials? What happened to the whole campaign lighten these statues? Why didn't they do that or just destroy this one?
Below is another sculpture of Otto 1 from the same Magdeburg Cathedral.
Mike says it's fake on his website. Now think about this. How is this conspiracy adding up? It's not adding up, both sculptures are from the same Cathedral, the one of Otto on horseback further clarifies his long wavy hair. What exactly is wrong with it? It appears to be all unpainted stone so you can't say what the skin color was. The hair is not much different from the hair in the previous sculpture with the Queen.
For comparision let's look at another sculpture at Magdeburg Cathedral. It's Saint Maurice.
^^^ Same question, why didn't they lighten up this one? At it's much darker, pitch black comnpared to the brown color in the Otto and Edith sculpture.
So we have a sculpture that is light brown in the faces and another with St. maurice as black. This shows that at least there wasn't a conspiracy to whiten the color of everybody in this particular Cathedral. Therefore the below is just as legit as the others:
Looking again at the sculpture of St. Maurice above from Magdeburg Cathedral. It was created in about 1250 AD.
Now let's look at an earlier depiction of St. Maurice:
St Maurice holding a palm, 1125-1150. Manuscript illustration from the Siegburg Lectionary produced at the Abbey of St Michael, Siegburg, Germany.
Was there a conspiracy to blacken St. Maurice later on?
or do we just make up sh!t all day long?
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^The degenerate one (Lioness) must be bouncing off the walls by now. Come-on everyone, keep her bouncing, add something to the collection!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^The degenerate one (Lioness) must be bouncing off the walls by now. Come-on everyone, keep her bouncing, add something to the collection!
Mike, I was trying to figure out a more appropriate titie for this thread than "The White mans history". It wasn't hard to do.
Rather than being concerned with white people's history wouldn't a more approprite title for this thread be:
"The Holy Roman Empire was Black"
or
"The Holy Roman Empire was Mulatto"
or the above with a question form like :
"Was The Holy Roman Empire Black.../Mulatto ? "
You don't seem man enough to make a simple claim like that in threads like these, too intimidated by the white man.
It's like you don't quite believe what you are proposing enough to state to even state it in the title and hope somebody else will do it for you.
I'm going to be your official thread title writer from now on. Even Ironlion isn't afraid to state a thesis before trying to prove it.
Don't worry I'm coming up with your thread titles form now on.
Lioness Productions
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Liar, If you are so concerned with thread titles, I suggest you start with making your own thread(s).
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
A number of white Europeans have naturally curly/kinky hair. This has always been the case and yet they are white as anything. Seeing those curls in those portraits does not make those people any less white or European. Just like Africans are variable in their phenotype and hair textures, so are Europeans. Yes, this is part of their ancient African ancestral legacy, but it is also simply part of human variability as well.
So those folks who like to run around and say "I see black people" because some Europeans in medieval art have curly hair are naturally full of BS in most cases.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ The exact same thing can be said for Albinos and mulattoes. What's your point?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^^ I grew up with cousins that looked exactly like that boy in the heart of tropical Nigeria.
Their mothers were white but their fathers were black. I now that tribe so well know that you cannot pass one of them off to me as a "white" boy.
No way. He is black to me. I say he probably got black genes, because I have blood cousins like that, who have more Nigerian culture than I do .
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: those folks who like to run around and say "I see black people"
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Dunce
Read the quote below and weep:
quote: ...until workers accidentally made a hole in the wall of Henry VIII's burial vault in 1813... There also was a coffin covered with black velvet, inscribed "King Charles 1648."
Although the date was wrong--Charles was beheaded on Jan. 30, 1649--the coffin was undoubtedly the right one. ....
The coffin was opened in front of a distinguished group. ... The skin, according to Sir Henry Halford, was dark ...
The complexion of the skin was dark and discolored. .. The hair was thick . . . and in appearance nearly black. . . .*
About the English King Charles the first and his exhumation.
ANOTHER LOOK--EXHUMATIONS
CHARLES I (1600-1649), king of England
Oliver Cromwell and his associates sent Charles I to the headsman, and the king was buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor. Just where, however, remained in dispute until workers accidentally made a hole in the wall of Henry VIII's burial vault in 1813. There, along with Henry's coffin, were those of his wife Jane Seymour and the stillborn baby of Queen Anne. There also was a coffin covered with black velvet, inscribed "King Charles 1648." Although the date was wrong--Charles was beheaded on Jan. 30, 1649--the coffin was undoubtedly the right one. The confusion over the exact location of the coffin had arisen because, when Charles II was restored to the throne in 1660, it was decided that Charles I's corpse should be exhumed and buried in Westminster Abbey under a tomb designed by Christopher Wren. However, Charles II appropriated the pound70,000 granted for the new burial, and a mysterious disappearance of Charles I's body was arranged to squelch rumors of profiteering.
The coffin was opened in front of a distinguished group. The head end was cut away, revealing a corpse wrapped in cerecloth. The wrapping was removed, and observers beheld a face that closely resembled the Charles I in the portraits of Vandyke. CHARLES I (1600-1649), King of England Portrait: Anthony van Dyck
The skin, according to Sir Henry Halford, was dark and discolored, the nose decayed, the pointed beard intact. The head was found to be loose; the back part of the scalp was perfectly preserved, and the hair at the neck shaved as if in preparation for execution. Examination also showed that the head had been severed by a heavy blow which split the fourth cervical vertebra. After examinations, the head was returned to the coffin and the vault was closed.
It was later discovered that a portion of the fourth cervical vertebra had been left behind. It was given to Halford by the prince regent, and Halford put it in a gold-lined box in which he used to display it at his dinner table. Halford's heirs, however, didn't like the idea of the relic and returned it to the Prince of Wales, who is supposed to have returned it to the coffin.
The stages of decomposition can be defined as the fresh stage, the putrefaction stage, the black putrefaction stage, the butyric fermentation stage, and finally the dry stage. ______________ Putrefaction lasts between days 4 and 10 approximately. In this stage, anaerobic metabolism of the soft tissues by bacteria and other microorganisms continues. These processes result in gas production within the body, causing it to bloat and emit strong odours. In black putrefaction, occurring between days 10 and 25 after death, the bloating of the corpse subsides, the skin blackens and peels back, and various gas and fluids are produced Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KING:
All Muurs! Some are paler than others, but they are all Moors! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: .... In black putrefaction, occurring between days 10 and 25 after death, the bloating of the corpse subsides, the skin blackens and peels back, and various gas and fluids are produced[/i]
So pink-red peoples turn black when they die?
Waiting your response... Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Evangeliar Kaiser Ottos III, circa 1000 A.D.
Does anybody really believe that this book is 1000 years old?
^Hell NOOO!! It looks so fake and made up. There's a trend going on with newfound "artwork" that supposedly depicts ancient civilizations and pose as ancient artifact. First it was sculptures and monuments being found and posed as ancient now they moved on to literature, paintings, and artwork.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The White mans history - an exercise in falsehood and duplicity Or how to add 1+1 and get 3,4,5, whatever you need!
Try to make sense of this!
The White Slav's were made Brown by admixture with the Black Germans - but the Germans here are White???[/b]
The consideration of the evidence that people of
The Free State of Saxony is a state of Germany, located in the eastern part of present-day Germany.
This was supposedly the Roman concept of Germany.
^What a bunch of 21st Century nonsense!!! They too stuck on Egypt. Is it really necessary they need to copy what the egyptians first did. White people need to be more creative and stop copying people's ideas.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [qb] Evangeliar Kaiser Ottos III, circa 1000 A.D.
Does anybody really believe that this book is 1000 years old?
^Hell NOOO!! It looks so fake and made up.
Many old books like this were kept and are still kept in monasteries. They have been well cared for because each one was made by hand, there was no priting at the time. The colors are bright because the book is usually closed and it's pages are not exposed to light. Why do you think it looks fake?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: .... In black putrefaction, occurring between days 10 and 25 after death, the bloating of the corpse subsides, the skin blackens and peels back, and various gas and fluids are produced[/i]
So pink-red peoples turn black when they die?
Waiting your response...
yes
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doug M - I'm really surprised, you don't post for quite a while, and now that you post, it's with something STUPID!
Neither Whites (Dravidian Albinos) nor Mongols, have the capacity to make frizzy hair. It is the result of ADMIXTURE!
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doug M - I'm really surprised, you don't post for quite a while, and now that you post, it's with something STUPID!
Neither Whites (Dravidian Albinos) nor Mongols, have the capacity to make frizzy hair. It is the result of ADMIXTURE!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^That's the disturbing part about Doug M's post. A degenerate idiot and liar like Lioness would of course try to pass-off CURLY hair as COARSE FRIZZY hair.
COARSE FRIZZY HAIR!
CURLY HAIR! Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: ^^Dunce
Read the quote below and weep:
quote: ...until workers accidentally made a hole in the wall of Henry VIII's burial vault in 1813... There also was a coffin covered with black velvet, inscribed "King Charles 1648."
Although the date was wrong--Charles was beheaded on Jan. 30, 1649--the coffin was undoubtedly the right one. ....
The coffin was opened in front of a distinguished group. ... The skin, according to Sir Henry Halford, was dark ...
The complexion of the skin was dark and discolored. .. The hair was thick . . . and in appearance nearly black. . . .*
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: .... In black putrefaction, occurring between days 10 and 25 after death, the bloating of the corpse subsides, the skin blackens and peels back, and various gas and fluids are produced[/i]
So pink-red peoples turn black when they die?
Waiting your response...
yes
Dunce
Then show me some pink-red corpus that magically turns black.
I see no black bodies here:
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Then show me some pink-red corpus that magically turns black.
I see no black bodies here:
Charles I was not mummifed silly.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^That's the disturbing part about Doug M's post. A degenerate idiot and liar like Lioness would of course try to pass-off CURLY hair as COARSE FRIZZY hair!!!
COARSE FRIZZY HAIR!
Doug give up, Mary Queen of Scots was Black. Look at the damn hair
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
frizzy is the new black
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
Sorry!
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
I will not lie to you!
I will not make kindness for you
The Scotland Were originally black.
So is impossible These images are true.
Simple!
Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
Don't get me wrong, there is a such thing as the Eur-African type. However, like I said before, these people are still white.
For example, the model above is Tunisian. Still she is white by phenotype even if she has some African ancestry. And this is even more true of those old European paintings.
Like I said, Europeans have variations just like any other population. But to call them "black Africans" because some have curly hair is retarded. And brunettes in Europe are often noted for having curly hair.
No I don't deny that Europeans have some recent African ancestry, as I myself have noted it in other threads on the topic. BUT just because you have curly hair doesn't mean you aren't white. Just like a black person with naturally straight hair isn't white.....
Then show me some pink-red corpus that magically turns black.
I see no black bodies here:
Charles I was not mummifed silly.
Dunce
Charles was buried in 1648 and unearthed in 1813.
Almost a 200 year gap yet his body was still intact,so in tact that they could make out his black skin colour and dark hair.
Dunce, show me the unmumified body that lasts for a 200 year time period.
Dunce, show me the foto of a dead albanoid who turns magically black upon burial and disinterrment.
I have shown you my fotos, my beloved Duncey, I am waiting yours.
Lion Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ..... BUT just because you have curly hair doesn't mean you aren't white. Just like a black person with naturally straight hair isn't white.....
German moorish crest:
And that is your perpetual mistake Doug.
There are no pink-reds with curly hair save those with recent African ancestry.
For a pink-red to have curly hair, is genetic indication of their recent African ancestry.
The hair as much indication as skin color because the curly to nappy hair is unique to Moorish people.
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ..... BUT just because you have curly hair doesn't mean you aren't white. Just like a black person with naturally straight hair isn't white.....
German moorish crest:
And that is your perpetual mistake Doug.
There are no pink-reds with curly hair save those with recent African ancestry.
For a pink-red to have curly hair, is genetic indication of their recent African ancestry.
The hair as much indication as skin color because the curly to nappy hair is unique to Moorish people.
Correct.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:A study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people: by Thomas William Shore (1906)
Our Darker Forefathers. As regards the ancient brown race or races of North Europe, there can be no doubt of their existence in the south-east of Norway and in the east of Friesland.
Another work Afrocentrics don't read but distort from (much like David MacRitchie).
Shore's ''brown race'' has nothing to do with Negroid.
Brown skin does not equate to Negro.
Why are afrocentrics so retarded they can't accept that most Caucasoids (Whites) are in fact olive skinned?
Most Caucasoids look like this. They have zero negroid admixture.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ..... BUT just because you have curly hair doesn't mean you aren't white. Just like a black person with naturally straight hair isn't white.....
German moorish crest:
And that is your perpetual mistake Doug.
There are no pink-reds with curly hair save those with recent African ancestry.
For a pink-red to have curly hair, is genetic indication of their recent African ancestry.
The hair as much indication as skin color because the curly to nappy hair is unique to Moorish people.
Wrong again.
Curly hair is not the same as wooly.
Curly:
Wooly:
Blacks only have the latter.
Curly hair can grow longer. Blacks in contrast because of their wooly/coiled hair can not even grow it past their eye length.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
This may help:
Curly hair is cymotrichous.
Wooly hair is Ulotrcitous.
Both are not the same.
Negroids (Blacks) only have wooly Ulotrcitous hair, not curly or straight.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Read the quote below and weep:
" ..until workers accidentally made a hole in the wall of Henry VIII's burial vault in 1813... There also was a coffin covered with black velvet, inscribed "King Charles 1648."
The complexion of the skin was dark and discolored . ..
a face that closely resembled the Charles I in the portraits of Vandyke"
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
^^Dunce
quote:Originally imagined by IronLion:
"what we had discovered was the body of a Moorish black African negro that had no resemblance to portraits of the man"
"I see black people" pt 39. Flights of Fancy
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
Brown skin does not equate to Negro.
Why are afrocentrics so retarded they can't accept that most Caucasoids (Whites) are in fact olive skinned?
Most Caucasoids look like this. They have zero negroid admixture.
"Olive skin" is a misnomer in the above example. The man above has a similar brown skin tone to Will Smith:
Not like olives which have a greenish cast:
The same brown skin tone, but some Europeans apply this term "olive" to pretend there's something unique about it.
"Olive skin" is a useless term.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Wrong again.
Curly hair is not the same as wooly.
Curly:
Wooly:
( Negritos are the most genetically distant human population from Africans at most loci studied thus far (except for MC1R, which codes for dark skin) -wikiperdia note, lioness)
Blacks only have the latter.
Curly hair can grow longer. Blacks in contrast because of their wooly/coiled hair can not even grow it past their eye length.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^That's the disturbing part about Doug M's post. A degenerate idiot and liar like Lioness would of course try to pass-off CURLY hair as COARSE FRIZZY hair.
WOOLY HAIR!
CURLY HAIR!
Mike had alraedy demonstrated that Mary Queen of Scots hair is wooly not curly, therefore proving she was______________
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Scientists use the Fitzpatrick scale for defining skin pigmentation.
There are 6 different shade types:
Type I (scores 0-7) White; very fair; freckles; typical albino skin. Always burns, never tans
Type II (scores 8-16) White; fair. Usually burns, tans with difficulty
Type III (scores 17-25) Beige; very common. Sometimes mild burn, gradually tans
Type IV (scores 25-30) Beige with a brown tint; typical Mediterranean Caucasian skin. Rarely burns, tans with ease
Type V (scores over 30) Dark brown. Very rarely burns, tans very easily
Type VI Black. Never burns, tans very easily
Here are the 6 different shade types on one hand:
NOTE: Type 1 = Albino. However note how Albino skin is lighter than normal white people's skin (Type 2). No normal white people have Type 1 (the tips of the fingers) only albinos have skin hue that depigmentated.
Basically typical Scandinavians have Type 2.
Type 3 is common across all Caucasians.
Type 4 = olive, found among the darker skinned whites.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Mike had alraedy demonstrated that Mary Queen of Scots hair is wooly not curly, therefore proving she was______________ [/QB]
And note how out of hundreds of more pictures mike only chooses that one. Most her portraits show her as straight haired -
People who think Mary was somehow negroid are mentally ill. The same is too call Nasan Mandela a white guy.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
lol @ this thread.
We have a bunch of self hating negroes thinking that mary queen of scots was a black woman.
I don't don't get it - look at the portrait above, what is 'black' about Mary?
And if she was a black woman why was her son (James) pale white?
Was he then an albino?
Do you afrocentrics actually believe this - or is it just posted for comedy value?
If this is for real, then i am scared. Are people this mentally ill?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
Type IV (scores 25-30) Beige with a brown tint; typical Mediterranean Caucasian skin. Rarely burns, tans with ease
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Type 4 = olive, found among the darker skinned whites. [/QB]
why did you quote a description of Beige with a brown tint skin and then refer to it as "Olive" which is a useless term?
IN addition there are millions of "black" people that have Type IV skin
Beyonce, Age 16
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:]
People who think Mary was somehow negroid are mentally ill. The same is too call Nasan Mandela a white guy.
take it up with Mike, that's his theory
Mike111 Rm 304 BELLEVUE HOSPITAL CENTER Address: 1ST AVE & 27TH ST City, State, Zip: NEW YORK, NY 10016 County: NEW YORK
However, Mike would argue that the above is a combed back afro
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
^^Beyonce's is of creole descent and as for the olive skin -
"Olive skin describes a skin color range of some individuals, usually from the Mediterranean and some other parts of Europe, Latin America, Middle East and regions of South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and North Africa.It is also known as skin type 3 and 4 on the Fitzpatrick scale.
Named for its green and gold undertones (the color of an olive), it refers to a warm natural skin tone"
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^^Beyonce's is of creole descent and as for the olive skin -
"Olive skin describes a skin color range of some individuals, usually from the Mediterranean and some other parts of Europe, Latin America, Middle East and regions of South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and North Africa.It is also known as skin type 3 and 4 on the Fitzpatrick scale.
Named for its green and gold undertones (the color of an olive), it refers to a warm natural skin tone"
The boy can barely read and write English language yet he claims to be from England.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Ironlion, I was wondering, how would you describe skin tone #1 on the above Fitzpatrick chart?
thanks lioness
Also, the small bit of the inside of the sneaker showing here at the top of it, what color is that?
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ The color chart is bogus. Type 1 skin color would be the same as the color appearing below this text in the message box.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
The albinos posted are Type 1. non-albino white people don't have this.
Type 2 and 3 are what typical white Europeans have. Type 4 is Southern European (Med).
Btw, many Southern Europeans can resort back to type 2/3 when they are in a less sunny environment.
----
Below, a typical tanned southern european.
Note how their skin colour can easily alter back to type 2/3 when not exposed in th sun.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Btw, above fully debunks the idea white people are albinos.
Albinos cannot tan. They die in the sun. Yet white people can tan to a brownish pigment.
Of course this fact shatters afrocentrism.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: This may help:
Curly hair is cymotrichous.
Wooly hair is Ulotrcitous.
Both are not the same.
Negroids (Blacks) only have wooly Ulotrcitous hair, not curly or straight.
The boy can barely read and write English language yet he claims to be from England.
See diagram.
Curly falls under Cymotrichous. Curly hair is a variation of wavy hair. It can be grown considerably long.
Wavy hair is semi or slightly curled. It looks like this:
In contrast this is black wooly hair:
It cannot be grown long.
Blacks can't even grow their hair beyond their eyes:
Basically as virtually everyone admits, blacks have the ugliest hair which is why all black women artifically straighten their hair texture so they can look more like whites.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [qb] Evangeliar Kaiser Ottos III, circa 1000 A.D.
Does anybody really believe that this book is 1000 years old?
^Hell NOOO!! It looks so fake and made up.
Many old books like this were kept and are still kept in monasteries. They have been well cared for because each one was made by hand, there was no priting at the time. The colors are bright because the book is usually closed and it's pages are not exposed to light. Why do you think it looks fake?
^Because it looks fake and it is fake and the book isn't old. Whites aren't creative. They made an attempt to copy the egyptian ideology and it comes off weak.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: [QUOTE]Originally posted by IronLion: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by cassiterides: [qb] This may help:
Blacks can't even grow their hair beyond their eyes:
Basically as virtually everyone admits, blacks have the ugliest hair which is why all black women artifically straighten their hair texture so they can look more like whites.
^Blacks can grow their hair beyond their eyes dummy, and black woman with natural hair look better. The black woman with straight hair looks artificial against the woman with her natural texture. And afro hair doesn't look anything like white hair when it's straigtened. It looks like straightened afrotextured hair.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: The albinos posted are Type 1. non-albino white people don't have this.
Type 2 and 3 are what typical white Europeans have. Type 4 is Southern European (Med).
Btw, many Southern Europeans can resort back to type 2/3 when they are in a less sunny environment.
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Below, a typical tanned southern european.
Note how their skin colour can easily alter back to type 2/3 when not exposed in th sun.
^The woman have admixture from a colored group. Maybe from meditteranean, southeastern caucus people. The true whites are blond hair, blue eyes, no lips, pale and cannot tan without blistering.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Curly hair is cymotrichous.
Wooly hair is Ulotrcitous.
Both are not the same.
Negroids (Blacks) only have wooly Ulotrcitous hair, not curly or straight.
The boy can barely read and write English language yet he claims to be from England.
Asstyride
You are an illiterate, period.
You and your cartoon pictures are arguing with dictionaries?
...and you barely speak Cockney... gee!
You are ass, a barely literate ass...
LMBAO Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: [QUOTE]:
Read the quote below and weep:
" ..until workers accidentally made a hole in the wall of Henry VIII's burial vault in 1813... There also was a coffin covered with black velvet, inscribed "King Charles 1648."
The complexion of the skin was dark and discolored . ..
blah...baa..baa.. "I see black people" pt 39. Flights of Fancy
Beloved Duncey
You gonna get a hot spanking..tonight.
Do you know the Black Nun of Moret? A princess!
Was she black because of skin discoloration?
Or was she black due to your imagination?
quote: Louise Marie-Thérèse (1664-1732) was a Benedictine nun in the abbey of Moret-sur-Loing.
She was called the "Mauresse de Moret", and a portrait of her exists in the Bibliothèque Sainte Geneviève in Paris.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
^...The true whites are blond hair, blue eyes, no lips, pale and cannot tan without blistering.
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