quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: You find similar practice in modern time with the Negro. Called skin bleaching, the Negro lightens his/her skin with a topical cream to look more European white.
Ancient cultural practice of augmenting skin tone to appear more in line with the ruddy or tan Egyptian.
Modern cultural practice of chemically altering the skin tone to appear more attractive like white Europeans.
What a fool, and a idiot at that, does the moron NOT realize the peice he is using is a copy not the original...Lets compare the [/b]Original[/b] art work of the above from the Tomb of Rekhmire shall we..
(Reddis Brown Kushites and a Black(Faded) Kushite in the Middle)
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As you can see natural skin color tone, but I understand why they feel threatened, this means the Nubians had the same skin color as the Egyptians..
I feel the hurt...
Compare to Egyptian skin color from the very same tomb...
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You find similar practice in modern time with the Negro. Called skin bleaching, the Negro lightens his/her skin with a topical cream to look more European white.
Ancient cultural practice of augmenting skin tone to appear more in line with the ruddy or tan Egyptian.
Modern cultural practice of chemically altering the skin tone to appear more attractive like white Europeans.
How Egyptians depicted Kuhsites in other tombs...this also debunks the whole Red Kushites=Women...In this tomb you see clear males With no shirt (and no feminine breasts)..and Red/Light Skin..
Tomb of Huy..
Another Male Red NHSY/Nubain
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^You one ignant fool. Explain the nigglos with the red hair. How comes they ah gots some red hair, clown?
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^First off, the author of the thread, Mr clown, needs to be checked. Once I check mate this fool (which I did) then we can go back to the original topic.
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Supposedly all of the following people are Nuba, but I'm not sure who put together this combination of photos and where each comes from. Nevertheless I will comment and assume they are all Sudanese.
A) woman, dark reddish brown, body covereed in red ochre pigments {not henna!] B) two women covered in red ochre pigments _________________________________________________
C) woman covered in red ochre pigments D) Man with dark brown skin tone with some slight reddish qualities, seems to be no red ochre pigments applied to skin -that's traditionally supposed to be for women
E) man (possibly woman?) dark brown skin tone with black paint applied in pattern around eyes and nose hair colored with red ochre pigment F) woman, natural skin tone, nearly jet black
When you look at the Sudanese (Noba?) people above the one's with their natural skin color incude jet black and dark brown skin tones. Some of the dark brown skin tones are slightly reddish. The jet black woman F) may be Dinka not Noba but still Nehesy.
The below appears like an accurate photo of a tomb painting
^^^^ Here you see a range of a few different skin tones, different but not as drastically differnt looking as the below
^^^^ this seems to be an illustation representing a tomb wall, but not a tomb wall photo. The color of the reddish figures may have been enhanced slightly but it still fits in with the trend of varied skin tones both in photos of modern day people of the area and in the more accurate looking tomb wall photos of similar scenes of Kushites.
I. the lioness, retract my "they were females theory" and retract my "colored in red ochre" in these paintings theory.
Nevertheless you must admit that illustration above is sort of odd looking with just two types and strikingly different colored.
Anyway I come to the conclusion that as today, the ancient Nubians included both almost jet black people and dark brown skinned people some of the dark brown slightly reddish. This dark reddish brown matching some of the Egyptians. Many of the Egyptians had this same skin tone but did not also have an almost jet black element. You see it in some the kings representing Osiris but of the ancient Egyptian painting you do not see groups of regular Egyptians painted jet black ( but this is besides the point we are talking about Nubians)
Some had theorized that red Noba may have been red because of Arab infuence. I don't think so these paintings are probably to early for that.
The reason for these different looking skin colors in the paintings, yes, African diveristy.
Most Africans who are 100% indigenous are various shades of brown. Most are not as dark as the Dinka who range from dark brown to nearly black.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: *You are fighting a losing battle, clown*
You find similar practice in modern time with the Negro. Called skin bleaching, the Negro lightens his/her skin with a topical cream to look more European white.
Ancient cultural practice of augmenting skin tone to appear more in line with the ruddy or tan Egyptian.
Modern cultural practice of chemically altering the skin tone to appear more attractive like white Europeans.
Skin bleach cream is meant for evening uneven pigmentspots. Not to use it over the entire body, as a skinlightning cream.
Btw, Indians happen to use skin bleach more often, As a skinlightning cream.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: ^You one ignant fool. Explain the nigglos with the red hair. How comes they ah gots some red hair, clown?
What does their hair being red have to do with the subject at hand? I don't get it.
Its weird, we have shown indigenous Africans with red hair. Some natural, others due to malnourished, protein deficiency.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Game over, Clown.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Blind mother fvcker, you must have cataract of the nile in your eye. Let me blow it up in your face so you can see it, blind bat.
So this is a skully to you, clown?
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also many ancient writers didn't have a word for brown and used the same word they woul used for red to describe brown. So red could mean, chocolate brown, reddish brown/ruddy or red.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor AKA Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Game over, Clown.
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: Blind mother fvcker, you must have cataract of the nile in your eye. Let me blow it up in your face so you can see it, blind bat.
So this is a skully to you, clown?
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: This stupidity has gone on long enough
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: You find similar practice in modern time with the Negro. Called skin bleaching, the Negro lightens his/her skin with a topical cream to look more European white.
Ancient cultural practice of augmenting skin tone to appear more in line with the ruddy or tan Egyptian.
Modern cultural practice of chemically altering the skin tone to appear more attractive like white Europeans.
What a fool, and a idiot at that, does the moron NOT realize the peice he is using is a copy not the original...Lets compare the [/b]Original[/b] art work of the above from the Tomb of Rekhmire shall we..
(Reddis Brown Kushites and a Black(Faded) Kushite in the Middle)
It is so utterly stupid that you need not waste your time and you point out how dumb the Eurocentrics can be.
For the Eurocentrics, you guys really should stick to the female equation in arguing for a non-African Egypt. The light skinned females are still very difficult to explain away.
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quote:The light skinned females are still very difficult to explain away.
Yeah, because skeletal analysis says that the female population was any different from the male phenotype, in terms of affinity to other Africans.
This thread is not referring to skeletal remains but depictions of skin color. Arguments made is that Nubians were depicted with the same color as Egyptians. This is true in many cases but primarily just the males. Were Nubian females depicted with the same color as Egyptian females? If I was Eurocentric this is the direction I would take the debate. Note: I am playing devils advocate here so I don't want any crazy accusations! And no I am not calling Europeans devils. I mean devils advocate as in just the vernacular.
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Dude you are a f-king moron, While there were some "Light Skinned" females depicted in Egyptian art, there are plenty of Black and Dark Skinned Females with nappy ass hair, curly hair etc much more of the latter than the former.
You've been on E.S for how many years and you are still clueless about females depicted in the Tombs such as the Tomb of Nakht, Horemheb, Huy, Antefoquer, etc Various Statues...the list goes on
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quote:The light skinned females are still very difficult to explain away.
Yeah, because skeletal analysis says that the female population was any different from the male phenotype, in terms of affinity to other Africans.
This thread is not referring to skeletal remains but depictions of skin color. Arguments made is that Nubians were depicted with the same color as Egyptians. This is true in many cases but primarily just the males. Were Nubian females depicted with the same color as Egyptian females? If I was Eurocentric this is the direction I would take the debate. Note: I am playing devils advocate here so I don't want any crazy accusations! And no I am not calling Europeans devils. I mean devils advocate as in just the vernacular.
Stop lying Osirion, you wasn't playing devils advocate, or perhaps you was, and you was playing both the devil and the advocate.
We all know both you and lioness are fond of emphasizing the maternal eurasian contribution to Egypt. She does it by talking about how Eurasian slaves were supposedly massively imported by Egyptian kings, and you do it by talking about how asiatic females stayed when asiatic men were expelled, or by stressing the female asiatic genetic componant as THE deciding factor for the phenotype of the average Egyptian today. We all know you're obsessed with asiatic females going into Egypt.
Don't make me go dig up some of your earlier posts.
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^^^ Yes, Osirion was trying to play devil's advocate. Hell he almost broke his neck proclaiming that King Tut was of Irish decent when the false rumor broke out on his Haplogroup.
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However, this is true, are Nubian females depicted in the same color as many of the light skinned Egyptian women?
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Yes, Osirion was trying to play devil's advocate. Hell he almost broke his neck proclaiming that King Tut was of Irish decent when the false rumor broke out on his Haplogroup.
Celtic as in Celtica which at one time included much of NW Europe.
Ramses II not King Tut.
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quote:The light skinned females are still very difficult to explain away.
Yeah, because skeletal analysis says that the female population was any different from the male phenotype, in terms of affinity to other Africans.
This thread is not referring to skeletal remains but depictions of skin color. Arguments made is that Nubians were depicted with the same color as Egyptians. This is true in many cases but primarily just the males. Were Nubian females depicted with the same color as Egyptian females? If I was Eurocentric this is the direction I would take the debate. Note: I am playing devils advocate here so I don't want any crazy accusations! And no I am not calling Europeans devils. I mean devils advocate as in just the vernacular.
Stop lying Osirion, you wasn't playing devils advocate, or perhaps you was, and you was playing both the devil and the advocate.
We all know both you and lioness are fond of emphasizing the maternal eurasian contribution to Egypt. She does it by talking about how Eurasian slaves were supposedly massively imported by Egyptian kings, and you do it by talking about how asiatic females stayed when asiatic men were expelled, or by stressing the female asiatic genetic componant as THE deciding factor for the phenotype of the average Egyptian today. We all know you're obsessed with asiatic females going into Egypt.
Don't make me go dig up some of your earlier posts.
Nubian females please.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Stop lying Osirion, you wasn't playing devils advocate, or perhaps you was, and you was playing both the devil and the advocate.
We all know both you and lioness are fond of emphasizing the maternal eurasian contribution to Egypt. She does it by talking about how Eurasian slaves were supposedly massively imported by Egyptian kings, and you do it by talking about how asiatic females stayed when asiatic men were expelled, or by stressing the female asiatic genetic componant as THE deciding factor for the phenotype of the average Egyptian today. We all know you're obsessed with asiatic females going into Egypt.
Don't make me go dig up some of your earlier posts.
You have the notion that the rulers and upper class of Egypt were overwelmingly African, and in addition to Egyptian ancestry their roots extend below to the South, Sudan, perhaps Ethiopia.
BUT NOT GODDAMNED ASIA !!!!
African people didn't need help from Asians to make a civilization !!!!!!!!!
O.K. now, hold up, wait a minute.
You are behind zarahan's latest update and he was catching up to Clyde. "Asians" is no longer a dirty word.
How much influence was there from Nubia to Egypt? It's not certain how much but it's next door so it's also good candidate for influence. To the North there is another next door neighbor, the Near Eastern nations, Mesopotamia etc.
The Near east, the dreaded fake "Asian influence"
But you're behind the times, Asia is O.K. now, look:
quote:Originally posted by zarahan:
Mesopotamia: a tropical/arid tropics civilization
[QB] ^^ Great info above that you present. I will have to pull the lachish study and examine it in more detail. In the meantime I will revise the above to incorporate the findings of your excellent Cambridge ancient History reference. It seems then that based on the above, that on 4 counts, the ancient peoples of Mesopotamia can be linked with tropical African variants.
1) They all lived in an arid tropic/subtropical zone
2) The Natufians show clear sub-Saharan affinities
3) The Sumerians show clear resemblances with tropical variants on 4 counts:
a) Resemblance to Upper Egyptian specimens (Keith)
b) Clear dolichocephaly in most Sumerian specimens- often used as a 'negroid' marker in older analyses
c) Resemblance of Sumerian specimens to peoples of the Egyptian Western desert, ih whom modern scholars find sub-Saharan affinities
d) The U'baid people showing prognathism, wide nostrils and and other tropical features in your Cambridge History
CONCLUSION The HBD claim is false. Tropical peoples did indeed develop advanced civilizations without needing cold-climate "role models". Mesopotamia is in the Arid tropic (subtropical) zone and developed advanced civilizations long before reputed European or Asiatic cold-climate “leaders”. The peoples who developed these ancient civilizations did NOT look like cold-climate “Nordics" or Eastern Asiatics. Instead, they show a range of variation, including clear resemblance on some counts to other tropically adapted peoples of Africa. Scholars who deny these findings are inconsistent - like Coon above. Documented resemblances between Sumerians and other tropical peoples covers (a) Upper Egyptians, (b) dolichocephalism and (c) high desert Egyptians, both within the range of tropical African variants.
So it's no problem now. It seems that many dark skinned men of Egypt preferred lighter skinned women.
BUT IT'S O.K. THE LIGHT SKINNED WOMEN WERE TROPICAL LIGHT SKINNED WOMEN and besides many m Middle Eastern men are dark skinned anyway.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: The Black Egyptian cult strikes again.
I knew these Afronuts couldn't help themselves.
However, this is true, are Nubian females depicted in the same color as many of the light skinned Egyptian women?
Ha Ha Ha. The cat comes out of the bag. So you really WAS doing more than playing advocate, wasn't you? I knew my clown radar wasn't off, lol.
Seriously though, I give a jack sh!t about how Nubian females were depicted. Look at the following graph for example:
The gray dots represent females, and the black triangles represent males. In 5/7 sexual dimorphism means, the females have a more ''African'' phenotype than the males, ie, their end of almost every ''stick'' is positioned lower than that of the males, on almost every ''stick'' represented on there (Old kingdom and Early predynastic being the exceptions). Even in the late period Gizeh this is the case. Now, if the yellow color is going to be seriously entertained as objective, rather than a subjective convention, why don't we see the female end of the ''sticks'' seriously out of balance, and pointing upwards in the direction of the Late period Gizeh, in a consistent manner? LOL.
BTW, do you know of a population that can consistently, produce yellow (light skinned) girls and reddish brown boys? Because I don't. I've never seen that, but maybe you can help us out, since you seem to be under the impression that artistic sex based color differences have relevancy outside of the art department.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Stop lying Osirion, you wasn't playing devils advocate, or perhaps you was, and you was playing both the devil and the advocate.
We all know both you and lioness are fond of emphasizing the maternal eurasian contribution to Egypt. She does it by talking about how Eurasian slaves were supposedly massively imported by Egyptian kings, and you do it by talking about how asiatic females stayed when asiatic men were expelled, or by stressing the female asiatic genetic componant as THE deciding factor for the phenotype of the average Egyptian today. We all know you're obsessed with asiatic females going into Egypt.
Don't make me go dig up some of your earlier posts.
You have the notion that the rulers and upper class of Egypt were overwelmingly African, and in addition to Egyptian ancestry their roots extend below to the South, Sudan, perhaps Ethiopia.
BUT NOT GODDAMNED ASIA !!!!
African people didn't need help from Asians to make a civilization !!!!!!!!!
O.K. now, hold up, wait a minute.
You are behind zarahan's latest update and he was catching up to Clyde. "Asians" is no longer a dirty word.
How much influence was there from Nubia to Egypt? It's not certain how much but it's next door so it's also good candidate for influence. To the North there is another next door neighbor, the Near Eastern nations, Mesopotamia etc.
The Near east, the dreaded fake "Asian influence"
But you're behind the times, Asia is O.K. now, look:
quote:Originally posted by zarahan:
Mesopotamia: a tropical/arid tropics civilization
[QB] ^^ Great info above that you present. I will have to pull the lachish study and examine it in more detail. In the meantime I will revise the above to incorporate the findings of your excellent Cambridge ancient History reference. It seems then that based on the above, that on 4 counts, the ancient peoples of Mesopotamia can be linked with tropical African variants.
1) They all lived in an arid tropic/subtropical zone
2) The Natufians show clear sub-Saharan affinities
3) The Sumerians show clear resemblances with tropical variants on 4 counts:
a) Resemblance to Upper Egyptian specimens (Keith)
b) Clear dolichocephaly in most Sumerian specimens- often used as a 'negroid' marker in older analyses
c) Resemblance of Sumerian specimens to peoples of the Egyptian Western desert, ih whom modern scholars find sub-Saharan affinities
d) The U'baid people showing prognathism, wide nostrils and and other tropical features in your Cambridge History
CONCLUSION The HBD claim is false. Tropical peoples did indeed develop advanced civilizations without needing cold-climate "role models". Mesopotamia is in the Arid tropic (subtropical) zone and developed advanced civilizations long before reputed European or Asiatic cold-climate “leaders”. The peoples who developed these ancient civilizations did NOT look like cold-climate “Nordics" or Eastern Asiatics. Instead, they show a range of variation, including clear resemblance on some counts to other tropically adapted peoples of Africa. Scholars who deny these findings are inconsistent - like Coon above. Documented resemblances between Sumerians and other tropical peoples covers (a) Upper Egyptians, (b) dolichocephalism and (c) high desert Egyptians, both within the range of tropical African variants.
So it's no problem now. It seems that many dark skinned men of Egypt preferred lighter skinned women.
BUT IT'S O.K. THE LIGHT SKINNED WOMEN WERE TROPICAL LIGHT SKINNED WOMEN and besides many m Middle Eastern men are dark skinned anyway.
now relax and smoke a cigarette.
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Lioness, you dunce, I have no reason to believe that the maternal Eurasian componant is any larger among the Ancient Egyptians than the paternal Eurasian componant. You're the one that needs to relax and smoke a cigarette. Matter of fact, make that a cig and 5 xanax pills.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^ Yes, Osirion was trying to play devil's advocate. Hell he almost broke his neck proclaiming that King Tut was of Irish decent when the false rumor broke out on his Haplogroup.
BTW, do you know of a population that can consistently, produce yellow (light skinned) girls and reddish brown boys? Because I don't. I've never seen that, but maybe you can help us out, since you seem to be under the impression that artistic sex based color differences have relevancy outside of the art department.
When the Egyptians painted Women Gods the often used a purer yellow and this was meant to represent gold. They did not have metalic gold paint as we do today.
But in portaits of royal or government class couples you sometimes see the women a beige color lighter than the men, sometimes slightly yellow sometimes mearly a light brown, not the purer yellow used for Godesses. Therefore it's not symbolic in portraiture of real people.
So why Is this?
It is not really known but I would speculate that some of the women came from different places than did the men.
wait a minute, don't get mad.
Look at the Khosians and some of the Igbos of Nigeria and elsewhere. They have lighter skin yet are African.
It's African diversity at it again. Asia has some diversity but nothing beats African diversity. African diversity is Number # 1.
Don't get me wrong, "diversity" in general isn't great. That's race mixing. We can't have that.
That's why we have to get these black Asians out of the picture. They're confusing the whole purity issue.
Black Asians are alright but let them fend for themselves. next thing you know people will be claiming white Africans.
We need to get back to the old days when you could tell who was who.
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quote:But in portaits of royal or government class couples you sometimes see the women a beige color lighter than the men, sometimes slightly yellow sometimes mearly a light brown, not the purer yellow used for Godesses. Therefore it's not symbolic in portraiture of real people.
Dumb phuck, you're too slow to read the graph I posted?
And answer the question, dunce, don't quote my question, and then chicken out of giving a coherent answer:
BTW, do you know of a population that can consistently, produce yellow (light skinned) girls and reddish brown boys? Because I don't. I've never seen that, but maybe you can help us out, since you seem to be under the impression that artistic sex based color differences have relevancy outside of the art department. Posts: 8785 | From: Discovery Channel's Mythbusters | Registered: Dec 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Lioness, you dunce,
Stop ripping off Ironedlion. "Dunce" is his trademark lingo.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
I have no reason to believe that the maternal Eurasian componant is any larger among the Ancient Egyptians than the paternal Eurasian componant. You're the one that needs to relax and smoke a cigarette. Matter of fact, make that a cig and 5 xanax pills.
^^^^ Look at this Eurocentric.
He's saying the Egyptians had a "Eurasian component"
take 2 vicodin and a blunt
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^Yoú're on ignore until you're replying directly to anything that was said. This is a forum, not kindergarten.
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quote:But in portaits of royal or government class couples you sometimes see the women a beige color lighter than the men, sometimes slightly yellow sometimes mearly a light brown, not the purer yellow used for Godesses. Therefore it's not symbolic in portraiture of real people.
Dumb phuck, you're too slow to read the graph I posted?
And answer the question, dunce, don't quote my question, and then chicken out of giving a coherent answer:
BTW, do you know of a population that can consistently, produce yellow (light skinned) girls and reddish brown boys? Because I don't. I've never seen that, but maybe you can help us out, since you seem to be under the impression that artistic sex based color differences have relevancy outside of the art department.
Look at this Euro ^^^^^,
still believes in racial craniometry
pretending I'm on ignore, LOL
^^^ get out the calipers
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
Seriously though, I give a jack sh!t about how Nubian females were depicted. Look at the following graph for example:
then you have no buisness on a thread with Nubians in the title !
I said Nubians, not a graph about Egyptians
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: The Black Egyptian cult strikes again.
I knew these Afronuts couldn't help themselves.
However, this is true, are Nubian females depicted in the same color as many of the light skinned Egyptian women?
Ha Ha Ha. The cat comes out of the bag. So you really WAS doing more than playing advocate, wasn't you? I knew my clown radar wasn't off, lol.
Seriously though, I give a jack sh!t about how Nubian females were depicted. Look at the following graph for example:
The gray dots represent females, and the black triangles represent males. In 5/7 sexual dimorphism means, the females have a more ''African'' phenotype than the males, ie, their end of almost every ''stick'' is positioned lower than that of the males, on almost every ''stick'' represented on there (Old kingdom and Early predynastic being the exceptions). Even in the late period Gizeh this is the case. Now, if the yellow color is going to be seriously entertained as objective, rather than a subjective convention, why don't we see the female end of the ''sticks'' seriously out of balance, and pointing upwards in the direction of the Late period Gizeh, in a consistent manner? LOL.
BTW, do you know of a population that can consistently, produce yellow (light skinned) girls and reddish brown boys? Because I don't. I've never seen that, but maybe you can help us out, since you seem to be under the impression that artistic sex based color differences have relevancy outside of the art department.
I am Afrocentric but not an Afronut. I question what I think I know and am willing to accept new facts.
My last question actually does intrigue me. Are Nubian females depicted in the same color as Egyptian females? Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men but not so much Nubian females.
But I know what you will do, you will reply with more questions and I will never get an answer.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men but not so much Nubian females.
But I know what you will do, you will reply with more questions and I will never get an answer.
What color are the men? Often jet black. Is that the standard color for Egyptians? Don't worry most Africans aren't jet black anyway. Some of them have the same color as some Near Easterners yet not necessarily having ancestry from them. On an even lighter spectrum you have Khosians.
First it's hard to distinguish all individuals that are female in some of these paintings of Nubians. We saw the Nuba woman earlier with the red paint and she had a similar hairstyle to the men.
Some depictions of Nubians you see are a reddish brown tone like the Egyptians. Others jet black.
You don't see groups of Egyptians, real people not gods, painted jet black. So it's simplisitic to say Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men. Some are some aren't. And it's not one color so you can't say "the same color"
Of course you can take a dimly light photo of people with reddish brown skin, kick up the contrast to make the photo look better, the lights get lighter and the darks get darker, the brown turns to almost black. You can see evidence of this on the third photo below. The white background color is too bright and not yellowed. That's a result of using the contrast controls on the camera or in photoshop later. The lights get lighter the darks get darker. People always try to prove things by ambigous poor quality reproductions. The predominant color for Egyptians as we see from thousands of paintings is reddish brown to dark reddish brown. Some Nubians are portrayed this way others not. If they were all
Example these poor lighting quality photos:
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^^^The third photo looks differnt from the fist two. yet it's the same general section of the wall. The differemce is the color and contrast settings on the camera.
Of course you don't have to be jet black to be 100% African.
On the other hand zarahan says some of these Mesopotamians were tropical so it doens' t matter now anyway.
let's look at this other item again. A photo of better quality not on a weird angle either, and the contrast not F-d with:
This are supposedly all Nubians. Yet the two figures on the left don't have the same hair style or the hoop earrings. One of them is a light brown color, the second from the left.
Are these all Nubians? I don't know. If he's Nubian then your male/female thing isn't working.
Nobody is certain the origins of all of these people.
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The answer: Nubians also painted many of their females yellow. Reminds me of the practice of some Taureg women who paint their faces yellow.
Perhaps women were painting themselves yellow! Ha Ha Ha
The Egyptian women were yellow because they put paint on their bodies. I am getting a laugh out of this ironic twist.
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^ You keep making this about artistic color renderings of females, when it isn't about that, and you know it. This is about some lingering belief that you have about an exaggerated female Eurasian componant among the Ancient Egyptians, and your comments in this thread are simply an extension of that, as it is clearly a recurring theme in your posts.
You tried to connect light skinned females in artwork to an actual presence of light skinned females, and hence, why you were of the opinion that such light skinned depictions were still difficult to explain away.
Then, when I posted evidence to show that the ubiquitous light skinned female depictions are not based on objective reality, you blurted out non sense about a lack of examples of Nubians that were depicted with light skin.
Both you and Lioness refuse to look at the skeletal data, because that data will blow your unsubstantiated beliefs to smithereens. Ignoring the skeletal data is the only which in which the two of you can keep this self imposed illusion going. Look for example at the Lioness character, who insist that female Egyptians were beige skin colored, lol, despite the fact that I posted actual scientific data that shows that, if anything, they looked more ''African'' than the males in terms of facial features.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am Afrocentric but not an Afronut. I question what I think I know and am willing to accept new facts.
My last question actually does intrigue me. Are Nubian females depicted in the same color as Egyptian females? Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men but not so much Nubian females.
But I know what you will do, you will reply with more questions and I will never get an answer.
Of course your question intriques you, because you get to indulge in the illusion that there is more going on than factual evidence suggests.
^Leave it to Osirion, and he'll tell you to look at the flat faced yellow colored coffin, and to ignore the totally incongruent facial features of the skeleton inside.
What some people won't do to cling onto their outdated, silly beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men but not so much Nubian females.
But I know what you will do, you will reply with more questions and I will never get an answer.
What color are the men? Often jet black. Is that the standard color for Egyptians? Don't worry most Africans aren't jet black anyway. Some of them have the same color as some Near Easterners yet not necessarily having ancestry from them. On an even lighter spectrum you have Khosians.
First it's hard to distinguish all individuals that are female in some of these paintings of Nubians. We saw the Nuba woman earlier with the red paint and she had a similar hairstyle to the men.
Some depictions of Nubians you see are a reddish brown tone like the Egyptians. Others jet black.
You don't see groups of Egyptians, real people not gods, painted jet black. So it's simplisitic to say Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men. Some are some aren't. And it's not one color so you can't say "the same color"
Of course you can take a dimly light photo of people with reddish brown skin, kick up the contrast to make the photo look better, the lights get lighter and the darks get darker, the brown turns to almost black. You can see evidence of this on the third photo below. The white background color is too bright and not yellowed. That's a result of using the contrast controls on the camera or in photoshop later. The lights get lighter the darks get darker. People always try to prove things by ambigous poor quality reproductions. The predominant color for Egyptians as we see from thousands of paintings is reddish brown to dark reddish brown. Some Nubians are portrayed this way others not. If they were all
Example these poor lighting quality photos:
^^^The third photo looks differnt from the fist two. yet it's the same general section of the wall. The differemce is the color and contrast settings on the camera.
Of course you don't have to be jet black to be 100% African.
On the other hand zarahan says some of these Mesopotamians were tropical so it doens' t matter now anyway.
let's look at this other item again. A photo of better quality not on a weird angle either, and the contrast not F-d with:
This are supposedly all Nubians. Yet the two figures on the left don't have the same hair style or the hoop earrings. One of them is a light brown color, the second from the left.
Are these all Nubians? I don't know. If he's Nubian then your male/female thing isn't working.
Nobody is certain the origins of all of these people.
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Actually, both colors are depicted in the same way on the tomb walls.
More prove you haven't been there yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: I am Afrocentric but not an Afronut. I question what I think I know and am willing to accept new facts.
My last question actually does intrigue me. Are Nubian females depicted in the same color as Egyptian females? Nubian men are depicted in the same color as Egyptian men but not so much Nubian females.
But I know what you will do, you will reply with more questions and I will never get an answer.
Of course your question intriques you, because you get to indulge in the illusion that there is more going on than factual evidence suggests.
^Leave it to Osirion, and he'll tell you to look at the flat faced yellow colored coffin, and to ignore the totally incongruent facial features of the skeleton inside.
What some people won't do to cling onto their outdated, silly beliefs.
With all of that you still have yet to produce a pale Nubian female.
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Only a low IQ retard such as yourself would think I've committed myself to a viewpoint that would now require the evidence of a pale Nubian female, for that viewpoint to be valid.
Why would I post a picture of a light skinned female, you incredible dufus?
From the arguments that were put forth by me, how would it make sense for me to search images that depict a light skinned Nubian female?
It wouldn't be any more random if you'd asked me to produce a picture of your butt.
You take talking garbage to a whole nother level.
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Seriously though, I give a jack sh!t about how Nubian females were depicted. Look at the following graph for example:
The gray dots represent females, and the black triangles represent males. In 5/7 sexual dimorphism means, the females have a more ''African'' phenotype than the males, ie, their end of almost every ''stick'' is positioned lower than that of the males, on almost every ''stick'' represented on there (Old kingdom and Early predynastic being the exceptions).
Look at this kalonji character has to put the word African in "quotes".
Then he promotes this "true negro" chart on "cranial bredth" and "facial flatness"
These are the types of concepts which suggest Horn Africans are "less African"
And what the hell does crainometry have to do with skin color?
Here's a Khosian woman with wide cranial bredth and "facial flatness"
But how can this be? Here's a darker Somali woman with less facial bredth and less facial flatness:
^^^there goes your theory that darker means "more African"
""""African """" (?)
kalonji, this is a dubious psuedo scientifc attempt to connect skin color to cranial and facial features.
You will have to take this as a loss as per lioness productions evaluation
debunk # 37, lioness productions, team 3
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This is hilarious, the reason why she posted that image, I can only guess, but that image actually illustrates my earlier point. Despite their artistic skin color, the interred female componant of the AE population is noticably more ''African'' in the cited variables. The shorter face and broader nasal morphology of that lady kind of messes with your point, doesn't it?
quote:Then he promotes this "true negro" chart on "cranial bredth" and "facial flatness"
Cranial breath has proven to be an excellent discriminator of Africans or, more broadly speaking, tropically adapted populations, and higer lattitude populations. This has solid adaptive reasons, but your ass wouldn't know, because you just stepped out of 5th grade.
In Egyptians the same holds true for facial flatness, which obviously should be read here as ''prognathism'' (not a depressed nasal bridge) as other types of flatness wouldn't have seperated the Gizeh E-series and the other samples as much, dumbass, see Brace 93, figure 2 where E-series and pred. Naqadans cluster together using other types of facial flatness, among other things.
Again, your inability to put the graph in context in a way that makes sense indicates you just stepped out of 5th grade.
quote:^^^there goes your theory that darker means "more African"
Retarded 5th grader, where/when did I indicate that I'm a proponant of what you accuse me of?
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Retarded 5th grader, where/when did I indicate that I'm a proponant of what you accuse me of?
The thead topic is Nubians. You changed the subject to Egyptians and tried to show that the women are "more African" according to a True Negro Measuring Chart divised by massa.
You implied these measurements prove that lighter woman in Egyptian art must be some sort of artistic convention. It's bad science. This charts have nothing to do with skin color. During an intellectual beatdown I showed your scruffy ass that Khosians have more bredth and facial faltness than most horn Africans who are darker.
The situation is simple and plain. Just like what goes on today, darker brothers with a light skinned chick on their arm.
Yall men have been busted and it started with these 'gyptians. That's where the whole thing broke down. You try to cover it up because you want to claim gramps built a pyramid. Think with your mind not your obelisk
^^^^ "artistic color renderings of females"
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