quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The traditional European women wore her hair tied into one to two braids or just combed out.
After Blacks invented the straightening iron they now wear a variety of hairstyles copied from Black women.
Madam C.J. Walker invented the straightening iron/comb and look at white hairstyles today.
Actually Clyde you are telling half truths. Curling hair using hot irons is found in France from the 1870s, popularized by the Marcel Wave hairstyle. Therefore hairstyles featuring waves created by heating, pressing and curling the hair are not an imitation of blacks necessarily.
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Also called a pressing comb or straightening comb, the hot comb is a metal comb that is heated on either a range top or burner to a temperature between 300 and 500 degrees Fahrenheit. By pulling the heated comb through the hair, the pressure applied during the combing process breaks down the hair fiber's biochemical bonds. As the temperature diminishes, the bonds reconnect and keep the hair straight. Typically, the hair remains straight from one to two weeks or until it comes into contact with moisture or humidity.
Cultural Significance
Though originally used by French women in Europe during the mid-19th century, the hot comb would become the foundation of the black beautician industry starting in the early 1900s. Hot combs were a significant improvement from older methods used by African-Americans during and after slavery to straighten hair, which ranged from heated butter knives and cloths, to axle grease and homemade lye. Today, hot combs are still predominantly used in black salons as a means for straightening hair without chemicals.
Early Contributors
In 1872, Marcel Grateau was one of the first hairdressers to use the hot comb as a way to create new wave styles for his clientele in Paris. However, Madam C.J. Walker, an entrepreneur and the first self-made African-American millionaire, would revolutionize the black hair industry by introducing the "shampoo-press-and-curl" Walker system. The kit, which was given to trained agents who sold Walker's products, included a hot comb. As a result, Walker is often credited with introducing the hot comb to black women.
Misconceptions
It is commonly believed that Madam C.J. Walker invented the hot comb. However, the tool was actually first used by the French around the year 1845. Women in Paris had been using hot combs to replicate the straight styles worn by ancient Egyptians. Also, hot combs were sold in Sears and Bloomingdale catalogs to the American public as early as the 1880s. In 1900, Walker received a patent for the hot comb, which she redesigned with wide-spaced teeth that would accommodate thick hair of various textures. As of today, the inventor of the hot comb is still unknown.
But keep in mind that a curling iron is not a hot comb. And that whole spiel about hair combs in France is nonsense. Nevertheless, Madame C.J. Walker primarily was involved in creating hair treatments not hair combs. But she did sell kits that included them. That is why she is often called the inventor of the hot comb. Some say it was Annie Malone who actually invented the straightening comb. And to be sure, there was no reason for white women or white people who already had straight hair, to invent such a device.
quote: By the beginning of the 1900s, Annie Malone began to revolutionize hair care methods for all African Americans. She created a variety of hair care treatments, including the first patented hot comb, which preceded the one popularized by an early employee of hers, Madam C.J. Walker. As early as 1902, she and her assistants sold her unique brand of hair care products door to door. She called it Poro, a West African name meaning physical and spiritual growth.
By 1917, as United States entered World War I, Annie Malone had become so successful that she founded and opened Poro College in St. Louis. It was the first educational institution in the United States dedicated to the study and teaching of black cosmetology. The school employed nearly 200 people. Its curriculum included instructions to train students on personal style to present themselves at work: on walking, talking and style of dress designed to maintain a solid public persona.
By the 1920s, Annie Malone had become a multi-millionaire; she continued to share her great wealth. She donated her money to, and served as president of, the St. Louis Colored Orphans Home. With her help, in 1922 it bought a facility at 2612 Annie Malone Drive (formally Goode Ave.) It continues to serve from the historic Ville neighborhood. Upgraded and expanded, the facility was renamed in her honor as the Annie Malone Children and Family Service Center.
But the truth is that it is black women who are damaging their hair and scalps to make their hair look like white women. Using hot combs damages the hair and can lead to severe burns. That is torturing your hair to make it look more like white women. It involves chemicals that damage the scalp and promote hair loss and heating and pressing which causes burns and further damage to the head and hair. Any fool that says this is something to be proud of is retarded.
Yes, some white women do want fuller lips, tans and other features we can say emulate blacks, but blacks go to great lengths to look white, most often in terms of hair. African American women do not have straight hair and all this processing and treating to make it straight only exposes their severe desire to adopt white beauty standards.
All of that said, yes it is true that the hairstyles found in black salons influenced white fashion, but the truth is that for most of American history black women have been adopting white beauty and fashion standards, not the other way around.
Despite the growth of hair straightening, many African American women sported natural styles in the 19th century:
But the truth is that it is black women who are damaging their hair and scalps to make their hair look like white women. Using hot combs damages the hair and can lead to severe burns. That is torturing your hair to make it look more like white women. It involves chemicals that damage the scalp and promote hair loss and heating and pressing which causes burns and further damage to the head and hair. Any fool that says this is something to be proud of is retarded.
If this is true why do many men prefer women with chemically treated hair?
In Africa women have a tradition of using butters and oils to treat their hair. What makes the use of contemporary hair products different when women are doing it to attract men?
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yeah what is it with that black wannabe thing?
Also, how do ancient Sumerians represent traditional Eyropeans? Since when was the Persian Gulf in Europe? And since when did Africans have the monopoly on braids?
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: yeah what is it with that black wannabe thing?
What's so ''wannabe white'' about this? Those pictures were taken in completely different light settings and her features never changed (as small 'Caucasoid' noses are common in Somalis).
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The Suebian knot (German: Suebenknoten) is a historical male hairstyle ascribed to the tribe of the Germanic Suebi. The knot is attested by Tacitus in his 1st century CE work Germania, found on art by and depictions of the Germanic peoples, and worn by bog bodies.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: yeah what is it with that black wannabe thing?
What's so ''wannabe white'' about this? Those pictures were taken in completely different light settings and her features never changed (as small 'Caucasoid' noses are common in Somalis).
Greetings. I am sorry to inform you that Iman is lighter due to the fact that she lightened/lightens her skin (aka 'bleaching').... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: Greetings. I am sorry to inform you that Iman is lighter due to the fact that she lightened/lightens her skin (aka 'bleaching')....
No...
The first picture was taken in a dark area + poor quality camera, while the second picture was taken in a bright area and with heavy flash.
Here's a less biased comparison. I don't see a big difference at all:
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The OP forgot the mention that Black women in American spend BILLIONS each year attempting to straighten their hair to look like white women.
Blacks crave long straight hair like white females have. You can look up the scientific tests where black children choose white long straight blonde haired barby dolls over the black doll with an afro.
Chris Rock also did a documentary on how black females hate their wooly hair after his own daughter said why couldn't she have long straight hair like a white girl her age.
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quote:The light skin versus dark skin battle has reached new heights in Jamaica. Men and women on the tiny island have gone to extreme lengths to become ” a natural browning” by bleaching their skin with knock off products sold on the black market.
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Tanning is black? LOL!!! I swear, the inferiority complex you guys suffer is crazy! Tanning is natural for whites exposed to the sun; and tanning does not even resemble black skin of the Negro.
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Why do Europeans want to be Black? They spend millions of dollars getting tanned
Segments of them do it for the same reasons some Blacks dye their skin "light", and also because, despite spewing vile hateful things about it all the time, deep down they realize the biological advantage of melanin.
quote: and wear Black hairstyles.
Traditional European hairstyles as represented by Gutians.
Partly due to Afro element of pop culture, which generally starts trends in music genres and fashion statements, and partly due to peer pressure. I actually find these cultural borrowings as positive, though the element of taste is another thing altogether, because it shows that despite all the negative vocal posturing about lack of Afro contributions into European culture, deep down Euro folks realize that there is a lot more about Afro culture they are drawn to than they are willing to openly admit.
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Tupac probably also used bleaching cream, lol. What a strange logic of Rahotep and TruthAndRights.
I'm not sure about the intentions behind the postings of these images. That Mandela uses a lightening cream, as opposed to different lighting backgrounds of the photographs?
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'' the biological advantage of melanin'' =======
In Northern Europe or northern hemisphere (alaska, russia, canada) melanin has no biological advantage. Dark skinned people get vitamin D deficiency in the far north.
Vitamin D deficiencies among dark-skinned immigrants in Sweden
''Immigrants who come to Canada from sunnier parts of the world are at risk of health problems caused by a lack of vitamin D unless they take supplements, doctors and nutritionists warn''
Blacks were never made for the far cold north, which is why it is such a joke there are afrocentrics on this forum claiming the norsmen etc were black.
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In Northern Europe or northern hemisphere (alaska, russia, canada) melanin has no biological advantage.
LOL. Apparently those Europeans who artificially enhance their body melanin vehemently disagree with you. They, like any objective thinking person, see the biological advantage of melanin under intense solar radiations.
The European body also naturally sees this advantage. Biology and objective thinking vs. your way of thinking, which is the better? No contest: the former two!
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: I'm not sure about the intentions behind the postings of these images. That Mandela uses a lightening cream, as opposed to different lighting backgrounds of the photographs?
Different lighting backgrounds of the photographs to demonstrate that Rahotep's earlier pics were crap.
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Add to this, that there are 'white' folks who seem to be turned off by their lily white skin; rather, a tanned skin is aesthetically more appealing to them. You see such 'white' folks artificially enhance the melanin property of their skin instead of waiting for the Sun's radiation to trigger it.
Tanning also helps reduce skin freckles amongst Europeans, which can really look bad among 'white' folks even in regions with moderate Solar UV radiation. The additional property of melanin, is its effect as a sort of fountain of youth. It helps retain the skin's smoothness for a longer period of time, than the case is for skin that lack or are very depleted of the pigmentation.
So, when we talk about European tanning, we are talking about those who find it advantageous, be it from the standpoint of its aesthetic appeal or be it's biological enhancements.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: The OP forgot the mention that Black women in American spend BILLIONS each year attempting to straighten their hair to look like white women.
Blacks crave long straight hair like white females have. You can look up the scientific tests where black children choose white long straight blonde haired barby dolls over the black doll with an afro.
Chris Rock also did a documentary on how black females hate their wooly hair after his own daughter said why couldn't she have long straight hair like a white girl her age.
STFU DUTTY JANCRO...
Malcolm says it best:
quote: Who taught you to hate the texture of your hair? Who taught you to hate the color of your skin, to such extent that you bleach to get like the white man? Who taught you to hate the shape of your nose, and the shape of your lips? Who taught you to hate yourself, from the top of your head to the soles of your feet?
Who taught you to hate your own kind—who taught you to hate the race that you belong to, so much so that you don’t wanna be around each other? No, before you come around asking Mr. Muhammed does he teach hate, you should ask yourself: who taught you to hate being what God gave you?
'White' man's worst fear is happening: Black People are waking up, slowly but surely...
THAT BEING SAID, GUH SUCK YUH MUMMA.
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quote: Why do Europeans want to be Black? They spend millions of dollars getting tanned and wear Black hairstyles.
and enhancing their lips, azz, etc. (ie, paying money to have our Natural-born attributes)
Because they cannot help themSelves...
@ MANU-
Yes, what you spoke re; the lighting, etc. is Truth, as that happens often when pictures are taken under different lighting, quality, etc....
HOWEVER,
while what you say is Truth, it is also Truth that Iman has lightened/lightens her skin. lol Man really ah try to tell woman about the next woman, lol.
I mean, uh, Iman even has her own skin lightening product Iman is a beautiful woman but it is what it is- she lightened/lightens up herSelf. If you really believe she hasn't lightened up herSelf, this is the internet age: go find out for yourSelf.
No makeup, and she looks good for 55:
Next you're gonna come tell me seh Lil Kim hasn't lightened up herSelf, Patti Labelle never got her nose done, Sammy Sosa neva bleach himSelf neidda, and Kartel nuh bleach and ah try tun himSelf ina the Jamaican version of Michael Jackson...smh kmrt...
Wey day I walked up to the African store to get some tea and I noticed that out of the five shelves stretched across most of the wall behind the counter/register, three of those shelves were packed with various skin bleaching products...smh
I LOOOOVVVE MY BEAUTIFUL BLACKNESS! I LOVE MY NAPTURALNESS!
AND WHO DON'T LIKE IT, GUH DROP ASLEEP AND DON'T WAKE!
as far as Simpleton Gyal, she need to move from bout yah and stop post bout some Black People bleaching ways and guh wash har frownsy hole....she should not be worried bout Black People but rather she should be worried bout har rotten pop-dung hole instead....
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quote: The OP forgot the mention that Black women in American spend BILLIONS each year attempting to straighten their hair to look like white women.
Why does he worry about what Black Women are doing...as a proud Self-loving 'white' man, he should be more concerned with 'white' women and their paying MILLIONS each year to do this to themSelves- artificially create what we Black People are Naturally born with...
quote:Lip Injections Ruin Model's Life as She Becomes Internet Joke 13 Jun 2011 at 3:00pm
What happens when you and your doctor can't say "no?" You could end up horribly embarrassed by your face.
We've all heard of Lisa Rinna's battle with her years of lip injection use. The actress finally reversed the effects via surgery last year (see below, right). Recently, one California model discussed how her overzealous use of collagen on her lips ruined her life.
As reported by the Daily Mail, aspiring model Priscilla Caputo started using collagen lip injections to improve her looks and help her modeling career. She never noticed the blatant changes to her appearance. She always just thought she needed more and more improvement.
"It's like when some fat people look in the mirror and they don't see a fat person. I'd look in the mirror and see somebody who needed a little more help, " said Priscilla.
As the story continues, she actually blames her plastic surgeon boyfriend for not stopping her from the continued use of the injections.
"He never said, "Stop, it's too much,"' she said. "So I just kept going."
It wasn't until Ms. Caputo, 30, posted pictures online that her obvious "before" and "after" ballooning results made her an internet joke almost overnight. She became depressed and suicidal after realizing that her injection addiction completely altered her appearance negatively. The modeling offers stopped. She eventually went into therapy.
According to some RealSelf doctors, Priscilla's addiction is not uncommon.
"There are specific psychological disturbances that cause people to seek cosmetic surgery, " says LA oculoplasitc surgeon Dr. Kenneth D. Steinsapir. "The best recognized is a condition known as Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD). It is characterized by a preoccupation with minor or imagined flaws in appearance that causes severe distress." He goes on to add, "These individuals often have multiple surgeries to address the problem with little satisfaction."
After all that she went through, would Priscilla do it again? Her answer is no.
"I can't look at these pictures of myself without crying, but I'm willing for people to see them if it helps just one girl avoid the path that I took," she says.
"Take it from me - you'll be much happier if you stay with what nature gave you."
Priscilla has since stopped any lip procedures and is slowly regaining her original lip proportion.
Lesson to be learned: know when to stop.
More people need to real-eyes this:
quote:"Take it from me - you'll be much happier if you stay with what nature gave you."
MI SEH....
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The Rickets thing is overblown. Proof: the best athletes in Europe on a per capita basis are of African extraction. If rickets were such a problem then how do you explain that. Reference here is to soccer, boxing and athletics.
In sports requiring strong bones and general vigour, such as soccer and athletics Europe-born Africans outdo Europeans. Recall the recent flap in France about blakcs dominating the junior leagues in French soccer.
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Segments of them do it for the same reasons some Blacks dye their skin "light", and also because, despite spewing vile hateful things about it all the time, deep down they realize the biological advantage of melanin.
That some Whites would like to have a tan or golden skin color, fuller lips and a fuller figure, does not mean they want to Black. Lol. I like how many on here to blow everything out of porportion if they find it can afford them some type of ego boost. The truth is that many folks of any race would probaly agree that a golden skin color with generous body porportions is the ideal.
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Nope, it doesn't mean they necessarily want to be Black....BUT what it DOES mean, unequivocably, is they want what we are Naturally born with and pay NUUUUFFFFFFF money to have it....even at their own detriment....
**shrugs shoulders**
sarry fe dem...
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''In sports requiring strong bones and general vigour, such as soccer and athletics Europe-born Africans outdo Europeans'' ======
More anti-white statements (probably from a self-hating white liberal) which have no basis in fact.
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Recall the recent flap in France about blakcs dominating the junior leagues in French soccer. =======
Incorrect. The fuss is that blacks are joining french and english etc national teams when they are not ethnically french or english. The indigenous english and french are white. Can you imagine a white man joining a congo or sub-saharan african football team and claiming to be 'african'? They would never be accepted, but in contrast blacks for some reason think they are french or english - again more evidence of blacks obsessed with europe and whites.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Recall the recent flap in France about blakcs dominating the junior leagues in French soccer. =======
Incorrect. The fuss is that blacks are joining french and english etc national teams when they are not ethnically french or english. The indigenous english and french are white. Can you imagine a white man joining a congo or sub-saharan african football team and claiming to be 'african'? They would never be accepted, but in contrast blacks for some reason think they are french or english - again more evidence of blacks obsessed with europe and whites.
I can't speak for the Blacks in England. But the culture in France is different from the Anglo Saxon one. The French emphasize assimilation and aculturation. Blacks in France especially from the colonies in the Antlilles are made to feel, think and act French and are French citizens. It's the French who enlist them in the Soccer teams. It has nothing to do with Blacks being obsessed with Europe. Thats just silly
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quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: Nope, it doesn't mean they necessarily want to be Black....BUT what it DOES mean, unequivocably, is they want what we are Naturally born with and pay NUUUUFFFFFFF money to have it....even at their own detriment....
I think the truth is both races have something the other wants. Many Blacks would like to have a lighter skin color with with sharper facial features and wavy hair etc. Whites would like to be more tanned, with fuller lips and buttocks, especially the women. Someone like Kim Kardashian or Beyonce is probably close to the ideal.
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quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: Nope, it doesn't mean they necessarily want to be Black....BUT what it DOES mean, unequivocably, is they want what we are Naturally born with and pay NUUUUFFFFFFF money to have it....even at their own detriment....
.... Many Blacks would like to have a lighter skin color with with sharper facial features and wavy hair etc...
and I repeat Malcolm yet again:
quote: Who taught you to hate the texture of your hair? Who taught you to hate the color of your skin, to such extent that you bleach to get like the white man? Who taught you to hate the shape of your nose, and the shape of your lips? Who taught you to hate yourself, from the top of your head to the soles of your feet?
Who taught you to hate your own kind—who taught you to hate the race that you belong to, so much so that you don’t wanna be around each other? No, before you come around asking Mr. Muhammed does he teach hate, you should ask yourself: who taught you to hate being what God gave you?
I give thanks every day that I was born into a family that treasures its Blackness....
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Cass, The flap was about Africans born in France and having French nationality dominating the youth leagues in soccer. Louis Blanc, the French soccer coach, was secretly recorded in meeting expressing dismay that the Africans dominate because they are stronger, faster, and bigger. It's all there for you to read.
Your point about Africans in France playing for French teams could also be applied to European settlers who managed to acquire an African nations passport representing South Africa[the rugby team is a settlers team], Nambibia, Zimbabwe[the cricket team is practically made up of settlers]
Point is that Africans thrive in any climate. The rickets thing is overblown. On the contrary, whites in the hotter African countries are always getting sick. Pills, pills and more pills. That's why West Africa was called "white man's grave".
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Cass, The flap was about Africans born in France and having French nationality dominating the youth leagues in soccer. Louis Blanc, the French soccer coach, was secretly recorded in meeting expressing dismay that the Africans dominate because they are stronger, faster, and bigger. It's all there for you to read.
Your point about Africans in France playing for French teams could also be applied to European settlers who managed to acquire an African nations passport representing South Africa[the rugby team is a settlers team], Nambibia, Zimbabwe[the cricket team is practically made up of settlers]
Point is that Africans thrive in any climate. The rickets thing is overblown. On the contrary, whites in the hotter African countries are always getting sick. Pills, pills and more pills. That's why West Africa was called "white man's grave".
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Your point about Africans in France playing for French teams could also be applied to European settlers who managed to acquire an African nations passport representing South Africa ======
The difference being whites living in south africa don't claim to be indigenous.
Crackpot afrocentrics, and most blacks however think blacks are native to europe or if a black moves to england or france from sub-sahara africa they are suddenly 'english' or 'french' (when in fact the native english/french etc are white).
You can only be ethnic-French if you are white. Do you think white people can be australian aborigines?
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Point is that Africans thrive in any climate. The rickets thing is overblown =======
Incorrect, goverments in scandinavia have to give vitamin d pills to dark skinned immigrants as they are weak boned.
As i said, the cold north is no environment for the negro. They suffer here, so i have no idea why there are still millions of them flooding and invading our white Nordic countries.
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Just don't believe it. Some of the top soccer players in Sweden are African. The records are there.
If the Swedes have administered D vitamins, it could be that they are following their fake science about blacks and rickets.
Example: the climate of Britain is about the same as Sweden as is evidenced by the even greater pallor of the Brits. Now blacks have been living in Britain for over 100 years and their athletic performances belie your claim.
Just saw a soccer match between England Under 21 and Czech Republic Under 21. The England team had 5 blacks, so if weak bones tracked high Africans growing up in cold climates--then you have an anomaly on hand right here.
The English female team for the coming World Cup has 1 black and 4[based on the photos] black-white persons. Hardly proof of a Vitamin D deficiency afflicted population .
And again, the best athletes in Britain are all African with a couple of black-white mixes thrown in.
Same for France where the French professional leagues are more than 50% African.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Your point about Africans in France playing for French teams could also be applied to European settlers who managed to acquire an African nations passport representing South Africa ======
The difference being whites living in south africa don't claim to be indigenous.
Crackpot afrocentrics, and most blacks however think blacks are native to europe or if a black moves to england or france from sub-sahara africa they are suddenly 'english' or 'french' (when in fact the native english/french etc are white).
You can only be ethnic-French if you are white. Do you think white people can be australian aborigines?
Well for the record, I am also a French citizen and I am not White!
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quote:Originally posted by melchior7: Well for the record, I am also a French citizen and I am not White!
Anyone can be French civically. My argument was against blacks being ethnically French (or English). This is because the ethnic-French and ethnic-English, are the indigenous white populations who created those countries. Blacks in contrast are immigrants to France and Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by melchior7: Well for the record, I am also a French citizen and I am not White!
Anyone can be French civically. My argument was against blacks being ethnically French (or English). This is because the ethnic-French and ethnic-English, are the indigenous white populations who created those countries. Blacks in contrast are immigrants to France and Europe.
Everyone was an immigrant some point. The Franks were not indigenous to France nor were the Celts who preceded them etc. You are just prejudice when it comes to skin color.
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quote:Originally posted by melchior7: Well for the record, I am also a French citizen and I am not White!
Anyone can be French civically. My argument was against blacks being ethnically French (or English). This is because the ethnic-French and ethnic-English, are the indigenous white populations who created those countries. Blacks in contrast are immigrants to France and Europe.
One can't know how long they lasted but Grimaldi man was a name given in the early 20th century to an Italian find of two paleolithic skeletons,in the caves and rock shelters near Menton on the French Côte d'Azur supposedly showing some negroid traits. The finding of Grimaldi man at the lowermost of the Aurignacian layers indicate they lived near the cave before Cro-Magnons settled the local area. The remains from one of the caves, the "Barma Grande", have in recent time been radiocarbon dated to 25,000 years old, which places it in the Upper Paleolithic While Grimaldi man may well have been the earliest modern inhabitants of the Ligurian coast, the Cro-Magnons settled Europe from the East. Italy and South France being among the last areas settled, meaning the Grimaldi people would have been contemporary with rather than preceding the Cro-Magnon immigration wave. With current genetic mapping of the worlds population history, the origins of Europeans from a common Caucasian/Mongolian group is dated to some 50,000 in Central Asia, and all humans share an origin in East Africa some 150,000 years ago.
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quote:Originally posted by melchior7: Everyone was an immigrant some point. The Franks were not indigenous to France nor were the Celts who preceded them etc. You are just prejudice when it comes to skin color.
Again all rubbish.
Why do you think the Australian Aborigines are called ABORIGINES?
By your logic if a Chinaman or White European moved to Australia he is suddenly an indigenous aborigine?
Facts are facts, the indigenous peoples of Europe are white.
The only reason you object to this is because you are an immigrant (non-white) living in France and so out of insecurity deny that the ethnic-French are white.
You are just another liberal retard.
Btw, its also stupid to call me prejudice when you are the racist who is denying the white french people to their history and identity.
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One can't know how long they lasted but Grimaldi man was a name given in the early 20th century to an Italian find of two paleolithic skeletons,in the caves and rock shelters near Menton on the French Côte d'Azur supposedly showing some negroid traits. ==========
They were primitive Hominids, so they don't count.
The actual occupation of europe only occurred between 12,000-7,000 BC. These post-ice age peoples were Caucasoid whites not negroids with afros. Please get in reality.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: One can't know how long they lasted but Grimaldi man was a name given in the early 20th century to an Italian find of two paleolithic skeletons,in the caves and rock shelters near Menton on the French Côte d'Azur supposedly showing some negroid traits. ==========
They were primitive Hominids, so they don't count.
The actual occupation of europe only occurred between 12,000-7,000 BC. These post-ice age peoples were Caucasoid whites not negroids with afros. Please get in reality.
the ancestors of Caucasoid whites are negroids with afros
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quote:Originally posted by melchior7: Everyone was an immigrant some point. The Franks were not indigenous to France nor were the Celts who preceded them etc. You are just prejudice when it comes to skin color.
Again all rubbish.
Why do you think the Australian Aborigines are called ABORIGINES?
By your logic if a Chinaman or White European moved to Australia he is suddenly an indigenous aborigine?
Facts are facts, the indigenous peoples of Europe are white.
The only reason you object to this is because you are an immigrant (non-white) living in France and so out of insecurity deny that the ethnic-French are white.
You are just another liberal retard.
Btw, its also stupid to call me prejudice when you are the racist who is denying the white french people to their history and identity.
The question is how long does a group have to reside in a location to be considered indigenous. Indo European groups invaded Europe from the East.
Also you don't know a damn thing about France. The French are a mixture of many differnt peoples. You even have folks of Moorish descent in the south. Like this young French Actress.
And btw I am first and foremost American living in the States. I have French citizenship through my mother, fool.
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Also you don't know a damn thing about France. The French are a mixture of many differnt peoples =======
Incorrect. The ethnic-French descend from the Franks (western germanic tribes), Normans, Gauls and so forth who were all related white kindred.
Please read a history book and stop with the retarded posts.
There were no non-whites in France in ancient times therefore your view french people are somehow mixed is a fantasy.
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the ancestors of Caucasoid whites are negroids with afros ========
That's called a fairytale.
How did blacks with afros morph into white people with straight red or blonde hair?
Even afrocentrics who embrace the idiotic albino theory can't answer this which is why afrocentrics on this forum like mike111 and egmond have to include the Indian dravidians as blacks (since they have straighter hair).
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