Kurfurst Moritz von Sachsen Elector Maurice of Saxony
On other sites moderators make themselves usefull and comprime large images.
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George Keppel, Earl of Albemarle
Belongs to the House of Van der Duyn van Maasdam. According to Isabelle de Charriere they were famous for being ' swarthy.' Camilla Parker Bowles is a descendent
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Henrietta Maria de Bourbon Daughter of Maria de Medici and Henry IV of France Sister of Louis XII Aunt of Louis XIV Mother of Charles II Stuart, The Black Boy Wife of Charles I Stuart
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Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Mr. Codfried-
Really though, you could not have re-sized them to a much smaller size for a better/easier viewing? I would like to view them, but I refuse to blind mySelf attempting to see those overly large pictures that take up so much of the screen that I have to scroll back forth and up and down to see the picture- because I can't view the picture in its entirety at one time as it's too large...
You got the whole dam screen 'shifting' way toooo much, all down to the text on the screen....and I'm sorry but it's ridiculous...
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Maria Jacoba van Goor (1687-1737) The grandma of Isabelle de Charriere. Her mother, Elizabeth Schrijvers, was a niece of Rembrandt
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Renaissance, Medici Candelabra: showing the Black King domineering a white woman: Black Supremacy in Europe.
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Thomas Fairfax,named Black Tom.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Why do you do this to yourslf, you sad bastard? I'm embarrassed for you.
Kurfurst Moritz Von Sachsen with the lights on:
George Keppel, Earl of Albemarle, with the lights on:
LOL. That fine negress Queen Henrietta Maria with the lights on:
William I of Orange, with the lights on:
Maria Jacoba van Goor, with the lights on:
Not black.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Classic Composer Bernd Hayden: ' The Blackamoor,' according to the Prince de Esterhazy
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Hyden with the lights on:
Not black.
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Egmond Codfried:
Not white and not happy.
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King Louis XIV of France. His cousin, Charles II Stuart; was named The Black Boy.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Louis XIV, with the lights on:
not black. A pattern seems to be emerging here...
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Emperor Leopold I Habsburg ' a short, hale black man' (Rogers 1941)(Swinburne)
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Leopold I of Habsburg, with the lights on:
His daddy Ferdinand III:
His moma, Maria Anna of Spain.
Not black.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Stadhouder Willem IV van Oranje-Nassau
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Do you really want to go on embarrassing yourself?
Willem IV van Oranje-Nassau... you know the drill.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Count Johan VI of Nassau, brother of William I of Oranje.
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King William I of The Netherlands. Memebrs of the Dutch Royal family were brown and black of skin, way into the 19th century, with some showing classical African Facial traits.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Black power in renaissance Europe! LMAO.
Elena Gremaldi (not to be confused with a notorious modern namesake) with black page, 1623
Count Johan VI of Nassau with the lights on...
wait for it...!
Place your bets...
Not black. Well I'll be damned!
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
William I of the Netherlands
Thomas Fairfax:
Would kick your arse.
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Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Knowing that you are an art lover, Here are some more beautiful paintings for you to enjoy, Mr Codfried. I hope they may also help reintroduce you to reality.
Paul Ourry with black servant by Reynolds.
John Delaval in Van Dyck costume with a black servant, by William Bell
Portrait of Lady Grace Carteret, Countess of Dysart, with a child, a black servant, a spaniel and a cockatoo, c. 1753,
Elizabeth Murray, Lady Tollemache, later Countess of Dysart and Duchess of Lauderdale, with a black servant, by Sir Peter Lely, c. 1651
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Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Knowing that you are an art lover, Here are some more beautiful paintings for you to enjoy, Mr Codfried. I hope they may also help reintroduce you to reality.
Paul Ourry with black servant by Reynolds.
John Delaval in Van Dyck costume with a black servant, by William Bell
Portrait of Lady Grace Carteret, Countess of Dysart, with a child, a black servant, a spaniel and a cockatoo, c. 1753,
Elizabeth Murray, Lady Tollemache, later Countess of Dysart and Duchess of Lauderdale, with a black servant, by Sir Peter Lely, c. 1651
The Moors were symbols of Blue Blood
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
It was seen as a status symbol for white toffs to have an exotic black servant on the staff, in the late 17th century and early 18th. This is the reality of the situation, and rather exlodes the fantasty you have of a black European aristocracy. They were not Moors, in the above examples, they were mosly from west Africa or the Caribbean.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Where are all these blacks in medieval Spanish art? I mean the black Moors that is?
Posted by I AM Skip Gates Jr.(Nephew Edition) (Member # 6729) on :
Beautiful thread!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Kindly visit my blog if you want to understand why I make these sensational claims.
bluebloodisblackblood.blogspot.com
In short: I have personal descriptions which say they are brown and black of complexion. and portraits which show ethnic features.
Moors are also the little Blacks in western art, not only the Spanish Muslims, who never made it to west Europe.
But really, if you know Blacks, these tiny little Moors, do not remind of the tall, gorgeous, virile young man I look at everyday. They remind me of the Kouros types, upright, well build and devastatingly handsome.
So these puny, plain Blacks are fantasy figures, symbols of blue blood. The images are chock-full of symbolism, but you have to know your stuff, and most of you are not very....
They are heraldic Moors, a symbolic ancestor, the Black identity of the high nobility. They might have had black servants, musicians, but these we never get to see. If these were real people we should be able to find out there names, and from what lilliputian country they originate.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Black servants as symbols of noble black aancestors? LOL! You are a mental case! We know who the aristocrats in the paintings are, and they look the same from painting to painting- portraits people actually sat fornd approverd! We know the names of the household staff of the grat estates, from their domestic records, including the names of black servans. The blacks also appear in baptismal records and such like. There is nothing symbolic about black servants included in the paintings as exotic accessories.
Sometimes the black servents had individual portraits, such as this by Reynolds, thought to be Francis (Frank) Barber (about1745-1801), the servant of Dr Johnson:
And this anonymous one:
Perfectly mundane, nothing symbolic about it.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
I have counted two, and one was anonymous: and you have disproved my assertions?
Well I should not have written 'never,' but from the great number Moors on royal portraits, very few indeed are identified as real people.
The author of Things of Darkness shows portraits with the Moor disappearing in the shadows as a ghost. The paintings are named as a portrait of so and so, not so and so and his servant so and so.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
They are not Moors. In the cases of the British paintings, they are invariably Jamaicans, the children of slaves who occupied an ambiguous status when brought to England where technically the condition of slavery did not exist. There were various court trials about this very matter, eg Somersett's case of 1772. The black man James Somersett was ruled not to belong to the American customs officer who had brought him to Britain. Somersett escaped and was recaptured but his cause was taken up by abolitionists and the court ruled that there could not be slaves within England. Soon afterwards the Scottish case of Joseph Knight against his 'owner' John Wedderburn had a similar outcome. These were major test case and steps on the road to abolition in the colonies. You would know all about these things if you were interested in real black history in Europe, rather than in some silly ego-trip fantasy.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Sometimes the black servents had individual portraits, such as this by Reynolds, thought to be Francis (Frank) Barber (about1745-1801), the servant of Dr Johnson:
quote: This is a version of an unfinished picture now in the Menil Foundation Collection, Houston. The existence of many versions of this work can be explained by the fact that Sir Joshua Reynolds encouraged his students to copy it. Other copies were made when it was exhibited at the British Institution in the early nineteenth century.
The sitter is thought to be Francis (Frank) Barber (about1745-1801), the servant of Dr Johnson. Another possibility is that it is Reynolds’s own black servant. The original version was probably painted in the 1770s, a period at which the slave trade was still in operation in America and Europe’s colonies.
quote: Francis 'Frank' Barber was born possibly in 1735 (or later, in the early 1740s) in St Mary, Jamaica; he was a slave belonging by 1750 to Richard Bathurst, of Orange River Estate.
In 1750 Bathurst took Frank with him to UK, to join his son, also Richard, a doctor in London and a close friend of Dr Samuel Johnson, the writer and great lexicographer.
Frank was sent to a school at Barton in Yorkshire for about a year, then went to live in Dr Johnson's household in 1752. When Bathurst senior died in 1754 in his will he gave Frank Barber his freedom and 12 pounds sterling.
part from two brief episodes when he went off on his own, Frank Barber lived with Dr Johnson until the great man's death in 1784. During that period he was 'servant, companion and surrogate son to Johnson' as one writer puts it.There was clearly a great relationship between the two men; Johnson pulled strings to get Frank out of the Navy after he ran away to sea, paid for his schooling at the Bishop Stortford Grammar School in the late 1760s and took Frank's growing family into his home. Frank cared for Dr Johnson in almost every way, as valet and secretary, and nursed him in his various illnesses, taking communion with him when he received it for the last time just before his death.
In 1773 Barber married a young English girl, Elizabeth Ball, in the local parish church of St Dunstan's in the West. The couple eventually had five children, apparently after some miscarriages, but of these only three survived infancy; mortality rates among children were very high in the 18th century, especially in the unhealthy cities.
When Johnson died in 1784 he left the bulk of his money and possessions to Frank Barber; this guaranteed him an income of £70 a year, but over the years the Barbers had to sell most of the items Johnson had left them in order to make ends meet. Johnson’s friends, especially Reynolds and Boswell helped the Barbers also. They moved to Lichfield in 1786, as Johnson had advised, and set up home there; later, in the mid-1790s, they moved to the nearby village of Burntwood, where they started a school. Francis Barber died in the Stafford Infirmary in 1801, and his wife Elizabeth, who moved back to London with their surviving daughter Ann, died in 1816.
Their surviving son, Samuel (1875-1828), on whose education they had spent time and money, became a minister in the Primitive Methodist movement and was well-known in the Stafford region, where direct descendents of Francis Barber still live.
There is a considerable amount of material on Francis Barber; I have depended substantially on 'Samuel Johnson's Jamaican Connections' by Prof. John Ingledew in Caribbean Quarterly, Vol. 30, No. 2, 1984. I have just started to read A Troublesome Disorder by Dave Randle which is a fictional interview with Francis Barber The 'Portrait of a Black Man' by Sir Joshua Reynolds used on this page has traditionally been identified as a portrait of Francis Barber.
quote: Francis Barber was a servant and companion to the writer Samuel Johnson.? Francis Barber was born in Jamaica around 1735. He came to Britain with a planter from the island. For one year he went to school in the small village of Barton nr Darlington in Yorkshire England.
Then, as he got older he entered the service of his owners son who sent him to work for the Writer Samuel Johnson who’s wife had just died.
Two years later the plantation owner died and in his will he left Francis 12 Pounds and his freedom.
However, as Francis was a young man and high spirited, he ran away to cheapside and worked as an apothecary’s assistant. He did however keep in touch with Samuel Johnson. However, in 1758 Francis went to sea serving 2 years on H.M.S. Stag.
Johnson did not approve of Francis being in the Navy and through one of his contacts wrote to the Admiralty asking that ‘Frank’ be discharged. It is clear that Johnson was very fond of Francis because he paid for his education which cost 300 pounds a large sum at the time.
When Barber left School he went to work for Johnson, not just as a valet but as a secretary and personal assistant. After Samuel Johnson died Francis Barber told an interviewer that Johnson had hated to be waited on and they were good companions who both lived and prayed together.
Johnson left Francis 70 pounds per year and a Gold watch. Later an associate of Johnson, Sir John Hawkins tried unsuccessfully to take the watch away.
Barber married an English woman called ‘Betsy’ and they settled in Lichfield, (Staffordshire). They had not been there long when ‘Boswell’ a friend of Johnson wrote to Francis informing him that Sir john Hawkins had completed a biography of Samuel Johnson in which he slandered both Johnson and Barber.
Boswell asked Francis to help him get Johnson’s personal documents back off Hawkins. Remembering the incident with the watch Francis was only to happy to help.
Francis moved to ‘Burntwood’ outside Lichfield where he taught at the local school.
He died in Stafford infirmary in 1801. But his descendants till live in the area today. They don’t bear much resemblance to Francis though as they are completely white. They featured in a Channel 4 documentary in which they expressed great pride in their black ancestor.
But....but....CASSITIRIDES said there are NO descendants of slaves over there....NONE...
tsk tsk....shame on him for telling such a lie....
but wait- that's his Nature.... Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Here is a Black aristocrat, who was brought over from WI:
quote:Julius Soubise-Aristocrat
Julius Soubise was unusual for a Black man living at his time. He led an extremely privileged lifestyle.
He came to England from the West Indies, carried by Captain Stair Douglas of the Royal Navy. Catherine Hyde, the Duchess of Queensberry met Soubise and persuaded the Captain to part with him as she found the boy extremely Charming and likeable.
The young Soubise was liked by the Staff of The Queensberry Household too. They called him ‘The young Othello’.
Soubise was taught to Fence and ride by Domenico Angelo. He soon became extremely notorious amongst the upper classes. Flattered by the attention Soubise exaggerated his social standing and began to pass himself off as the son of an African King.
He became an assistant at the riding and Fencing School where he again was extremely popular. He played the violin, sang and read poetry. He accompanied This Trainers son to Eton and Windsor where he led an amazing double life. One as an assistant and the other as a gay darling of Society.
However Soubise’s lavish lifestyle had not gone unnoticed and both he and the Duchess were subjected to satire in the press. He was accused of raping a servant girl, and that the duchess sent him to India for his own sake. She died two days after he left.
He established a riding School in Bengal, he trained private students and was paid by the government for breaking in horses.
He was killed in India breaking in a troublesome Horse. Ignatius Sancho was a good Friend to him.
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Julius Soubise (1754 – 25 August 1798) was a freed Afro-Caribbean slave who became a well-known fop in 1760s/1770s Britain. He was one of the most prominent black persons in Britain at the time. [1]
He was born on st. Kitts in the Caribbean, the son of a Jamaican slave[2]. He was bought by Royal Navy Captain stair Douglas[3] and taken to England at the age of ten.[4] In 1764, he was given to Catherine Douglas (née Hyde), Duchess of Queensbury who was a celebrated eccentric and beauty. The Duchess gave Soubise a privileged life, treating him as if he were her own son - apparently with her husband Charles Douglas, 3rd Duke of Queensberry's blessing.[5]
Trained by Domenico Angelo (whom Soubise also regularly accompanied as usher to Eton and Windsor[5]), Soubise became the riding and fencing master to the Duchess.[1]. He became popular amongst young noblemen and he rose as a figure in upper class social circles, becoming the member of many fashionable clubs[5]. He was known as an amateur violinist[2], singer and actor - he was taught oration by the famous actor David Garrick who befriended a number of black people.[5] The personal favour and patronage of the Duchess allowed him a lifestyle of womanizing and fashion. He would sometimes call himself "The Black Prince" and claim to be African royalty. [6]It was rumoured that Soubise and the Duchess' relationship developed into a sexual one.[7][8]
Soubise became socially prominent enough to be the likely or definite subject of several caricatures - William Austin's well-known satirical engraving, The Duchess of Queensbury and Soubise (published 1 May 1773, showing them engaged in a fencing match) [5][9]; and most notably, A Mungo Macaroni (published 10 September 1772), part of a famous 1771-73 satirical series of engravings depicting fashionable young men published by Matthew and mary Darly. [10][11] ("macaroni" was a contemporary name for a fashionable young man; "Mungo" was a name of an officious slave from the 1769 comic opera The padlock by Isaac Bickerstaffe; the Darly engraving was based on a caricature drawn by Henry Angelo). [12]
In the collected letters of the famous freed slave Ignatius sancho, Letter XIIII dated 11 October 1771 is addressed to Soubise, whom Sancho encourages to consider his lucky position as an unusually privileged black person and so live a more seemly life.[11]
However, on the 15th of July 1777, Soubise fled Britain for India [13] The Duchess died two days after his departure.In India, he founded a riding school in Calcutta, Bengal. Soubise died on August 25 1798 from injuries sustained from falling off a horse.[13][14]
References
Further reading •Julius Soubise •Edwards, P., and Walvin, J., Black Personalities in the Era of the Slave Trade, London, 1983 •Shyllon, F., Black People in Britain 1555-1833, London, New York and Ibadan, 1977
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Some people who do research might realize that afrocentrism has been assimilated by the white British establishment, and they impose there own definitions of Blacks on studies that are published about Black Brits.
Looking at the paintings with seemingly whites and a small tiny Moor, I understand how real they seem, and how much conviction it needs to say, these persons were brown and black of complexion. But after looking at so many cases, that what I insist on.
Traveling in Morocco showed me billboards of King Mohamed VI to be very white of complexion in the north, and quite brown in the south. So the complexion is used for propaganda. Next he married a overly white skinned woman.
I have a thread which shows the white portrait next to the black ones, of the same person: and ask what this means. Why are there white and black portraits of the same European noble or king.
Next i have personal descriptions which say they are brown or black.
I will post another Moor, we have seen him before, and ask of he reminds one of a servant, a slave from the Caribbeans.
If all these Moors are slaves, what about this one. Does he strike intelligent people as a slave, eclipsing a white woman, glowing next to Queen Elizabeth?
A painting shows Sir Drake proudly wearing his batch, on his belt. What supposedly slave master will trod around with a image of his slave on his belt?
A whitened Sir Drake with his Drake Jewel
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
I understand its really hard, that why I keep posting the whitened Obama to proof that what you see is not always what you get. A white portrait does not proof a thing, its just a white portrait.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Drake allied with run-away black slaves in Panama, called Cimmarroons, which helped him to capture a Spanish plate-train crossing there. It could be reference to this. One things for sure, it's not reference to negro ancestry of the Tudor aristocracy, for they had none, so don't make me laugh.
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
^^^ Already debunked by the coloured pictures I've posted of the portraits these people actually sat for. None of these people have any 'black' features.
Maurice of Saxony with the lights on...
You are not a historian, you are a hysteric.
Posted by Iah (Member # 19043) on :
WoW. Afrocentrism really is desperate. I mean this is absolutely pathetic. Is there something out there that explains it?
WASHINGTON (AP) -black students were nearly three times as likely as whites to be labeled "mentally retarded" ...black male students were at a greater risk of being disproportionately labeled "mentally retarded." In five states -- Connecticut, Nebraska, SC, Mississippi and NC -- black students were more than four times as likely to be identified as mentally retarded than their white peers, the studies showed.
Report: Blacks more likely to be in special education, 2001
Yep. Explains it all.
Posted by Iah (Member # 19043) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
I understand its really hard, that why I keep posting the whitened Obama to proof that what you see is not always what you get. A white portrait does not proof a thing, its just a white portrait.
And a black portrait does not "proof" a thing. As for your fictitious Obama it does offer proof and refutes whatever it is you're trying to claim. Compare the facial features to the Whites you posted. They're not negroids.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Marc Washington, Keep on keeping on! It's amazing, I had another exposition and the people, who I'm really doing this for, have no trouble understanding the images and the reasoning. this is a remedy against mental slavery and white supremacy thinking.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Dear Marc and Mike111,
Perhaps a good tip. My exposition, started in 2009, is quite simple, cheap, and easily transported.
I have large sheets of light, brightly coloured cardboard; on which I have glued my best images, in a certain patern which explains my blue blood is black blood theory. People are not always prepared to read a whole book.
So during my lectures I move among the display and give an explanation. And the people love it. At least the people I'm doing it for, as a medicine against white supremacy and mental slavery. It's hard to resist.
You might approach a school and community center and show your stuff. Keep it nice and friendly, don't go cursing Turks, mulattoes or chinese, and people will thank you for showing them these nice images of Blacks who are not slaves but kings and nobles.
Some sheets I reserve for colour images.
I prefer to stick them flat on tables, in stead of hanging them, and roll them up after finish.
This week it was shown again on national television.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Joachim Murat, King of Naples and the Two Sicilies. Marechall of France, brother-in-law of Napoleon.
The Prince on a white horse should read The Black Prince on a white horse.
Another image of Black Superiority
The white horse represents the white Europeans, the serfs.
A whitened Murat with a little, tiny Moor; which shows his true complexion and high birth.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Joachim Murat, King of Naples and the Two Sicilies. Marechall of France, brother-in-law of Napoleon.
The Prince on a white horse should read The Black Prince on a white horse.
Another image of Black Superiority
The white horse represents the white Europeans, the serfs.
A whitened Murat with a little, tiny Moor; which shows his true complexion and high birth.
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John Delaval in Van Dyck costume with a black servant, by William Bell
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