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Instead of posting images of ''white'' Ancient Egyptians, which proponents have miserably failed to do, lets change the subject up a bit, and do the reverse. If the Egyptians remained the same, direct me towards Ancient Egyptian art where clusters of people have gathered (no singles, sorry) and where they're colored in the following manner:
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Rahotep, is it a coincidence that most of the images are from scenes of the book of the dead, and that you make handy use of the yellow skinned female artistic convention in others?
Even assuming that the Ancient Egyptians depicted on those papyri looked like that in life, how are you going to reconcile the scarcity of those colors, especially in normal daily scenes such as farming and banquet scenes,
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^ evolution of light skinned amongst Egyptians could have happened in situ due to sexual selection especially after cultural dominance by West Asians.
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Nothing but TRUTH coming from you Swenet....What a Joke that Rahotep could not find tomb scenes of Egyptians in everyday living that are the colour of the delta Egyptians.
Copts, Afrangi's etc do not really look anything like the tomb scenes of Ancient Egyptians we see. The thing though is that there is Copts as Black as the Nubians in Upper Egypt and we know that Nubians and Saidi and Beja are the closest living people to Ancient Egyptians.
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The evidence suggests otherwise. The skeletal divergence from a Northeastern to towards a North African pattern is already observable in the New Kingdom, when there is no evidence of cultural domination of West Asians, and thus, the high freq. of light skin is more consistent with immigration.
@King, I agree ''Copt'' is a religious designation, not an ethnic one, and so there are many dark ones.
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What you forget to remember is all the light skinned people who immigrated to Egypt when there countries dominated...Like the Turks, Persians, Greeks etc. They intermarried with the Egyptians and it shows up in the colour of Lower Egyptians.
What we do know is that Upper Egypt was left free of much intermarriage....don't get me wrong it still happened up there, but not as pronounced as in Lower Egypt.
We can only hope that in this "New" Egypt, that darker skinned Egyptians play more of a role in Egypt and make an impact where we see them as much as we see the light skinned people.
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The challenge is met, and I could go on. The Book of the Dead is a valid source, as there are also books of the dead with darker images. It's not true that I couldn't find tomb paintings either as there are four or five images up there from tomb walls.
I thought you would try to move the goal posts, and start this 'asiatic' crap. It's clear that semites and Egyptians often looked similar. According to the Bible, Moses and Joseph managed to be mistaken for Egyptians.
The Copts look the same as their direct ancestors the ancient Egyptians. No one besides modern Egyptians has the distinction of descending from the people of the pharaohs. Anyone who would dispute this is blind to sense and reason and a pretty contemptible piece of work in my estimation.
Tomb images featuring multiples of lighter skinned Egyptians are faily abundant:
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Swenet, you asked for evidence to support the claim, were given it, but then, you move the goal post? LOL!!! You are pathetic and have absolutely zero intellectual integrity.
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As for the yellow 'artistic convention' why would a black African people invent such a convention? How yellow are the following examples of pinkness?:
quote:You are pathetic and have absolutely zero intellectual integrity.
Says the 50 year old self hating Hatian f*cker who is known for starting sh!t and then abandoning his own threads when questions are raised..
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LOL. Sewernet is getting shitty and personal and changing the subject because the confirmed truth hurts so. Because the challenge was embarrassingly easy to answer.
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Ok let’s start with the pics of Tomb Nakth and Ramose first, in the mean time Rahotep, please cut the crap and supply the provenances of the papyri you've posted.
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I'm not even going to respond to those, as its common knowledge that females in AE art were usually depicted in a light, mostly yellow skin color. Your pics isolated, without their total context, so that details that make that obvious become obscured. Look for example at the following tomb of Ramose, where MOST, if not ALL of the women are painted in a yellow color. You've isolated the women from that tomb, as if they can be understood as a standalone unit. What are you saying then, that Ancient Egyptian males and females were of different ''races''? That Egyptian females gave rise to yellow girls and dark boys?
(I like his Cairo Video)
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Yeah, I look darker with the lights down low, too. Swinet, If you put the modern Egyptians in the tomb with these paintings, against their painted ancestors, they would be the same colour, or darker, and the fact is fairly obvious. I could have posted your versions instead in support of the same case. Even in your darker images of the same paintings, they look more like modern Egyptians than anyone else. Man up and admit the fact and get a life.
You didn't ask for provenance, you're moving the goalposts again. Look it up yourself and discredit it if you can. You didn't say isolate groups including males either. The practice of painting men reddish brown and the women paler colour was common throughout the Mediterranean, including among Minoans and Etruscans. It doesn't mean these people weren't caucasians. You will also notice a number of paler male figures among the images already posted.
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Moving on to this image from the tomb of Nakht. LOL. What a total idiot. Did you ever see images from the rest of the tomb in their total context..? Even assuming that these ladies were painted that light, which they were NOT, you’d be ignoring all the other images from his tomb where literally all characters are dark brown, with the exception of some ladies, some of which are depicted dark brown elsewhere.
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Now moving on to the picture you’ve posted, your fraudulent ass has picked the lightest of that extremely damaged mural. Here is a close up of that mural, where you can see all the damage:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Now moving on to the picture you’ve posted, your fraudulent ass has picked the lightest of that extremely damaged mural. Here is a close up of that mural, where you can see all the damage:
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Keep it coming Kalonji, another thread into the fallacious, deceptive way Rahotep operates,..LOL. Notice his Strawman "Moses was mistaken for a Egyptian Argument"..LOL when no images of the Hebrews in Egypt exist at all..(The could have been blue Martians for all we know)
Good work, as I said when a rat is backed into a corner it will do anything to survive..
keep it coming..
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LMAO @ the lot of you failures. The challenge has more than been met, but it would be against your ego-trip negrocentrist religion to admit the fact. You keep moving the goalpoasts, Swinet. Now you want a group of light coloured Egyptians from a tomb without any dark coloured Egyptians on the walls, it seems! Well why didn't you say so? Find me a picture of a large group of modern Egyptians without any brown faces in the crowd, and kiss my arse, and I'll get directly on to it.
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(Puntites not visible, but placed above) (Cretans barely visible above) Sudani's Syrians at the bottom _________________________________________Egyptians on the right
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Swinet, you are the blindest, most delusional, and most pig-headed buffoon I've ever come across. You are literally mentally ill. You are a very bad loser indeed, moreover.
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Swinet, you are the blindest, most delusional, and most pig-headed buffoon I've ever come across. You are literally mentally ill. You are a very bad loser indeed, moreover.
I love you too Rahotep
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Yes Jari, but I'm still not sure that that one is authentic. You can see the old fainted layer running parallel with the edges of their arms, it just reeks of a paint job, and a very bad one at that. Those females are out clearly of synch with the other females on that same wall. It also seems unlikely to me that the worn off plaster would target their legs, hair, but leave their skin perfectly intact, with the exception of their arms along the edges.
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The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
Jari, look at this one, you can clearly see that the their skin is affected, which is what you would expect given the rest of the damaged wall. How then, can it be totally the opposite on the other photo? You can also see the very dark paint left of the left arm (shoulder and distal segment) of the women to the far right (the one that is still visible), the dark remnant is the same color as the dancing musicians on the same wall.
The crack on the leg of the middle musician has the same color as the sitting females on the damaged section of that wall, which is another indication that the sitting ladies were originally as dark as them
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^^^ I Agree if you see the Full Wall Image the Dancers on the Scene are the best Preserved.
Look at this one..(Obviously before they applied Restoration)Yet the Features and Hair obviously point to their Tropical Adaption. Good luck finding Med. Women like them..LOL.
Here is the full image..
Notice the Color of the Women in the center the Best Preserved..
Also notice the woman in the Lower Left Corner she is faded but better preserved and almost Identical to the Dancing Ladies..
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You're just wriggling and playing games now. The challenge has been met and then some. You are all drowning in a sewer of fail. If you honestly think the ancient egyptian portraits look more like modern negroes whose lips stick out further than their noses then I'll have to get back to you about that when I've stopped laughing.
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BTW Kaonji the reason I said this was authentic was in context to Rahotep trying to pass a photoshopped image off as proof of light skinned Egyptians here...
Even With the Restoration Treatment the Image still comes out Darker and More Inclined to African Nilotics than what rahotep tries to pull.
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Even if there is a trace of negroid features in the Theban tomb painting images from the New Kingdom, the challenge was to do with colour. Surely the goal-posts aren't shifting again? The modern Egyptians do match the ancient Egyptains, in colour as well as physical type, for the most part.
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King is right too. Like I said just sit back and watch the Rat backed into a corner. You did a good job of exposing him. Also notice Calabooz and You beat his ass as well on the Anthropology and Genetics..
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Let's face it TarotFool101 will always declare himself a winner when its over obvious he fails to come up to even minimal standards of what's asked of him making him perhaps the biggest loser ever encountered on ES.
Hem and haw jimmy jackin' with him is a waste of what could be good productive time developing meaningful threads on genetics, culture, history and so on and even some more of those YouTube jobbies.
The Fool's not here to objectively weigh evidence or acknowledge vivid color repros over washed out versions even when the facial features have not the slightest in common with north Mediterraneans or Levantines or Arabs.
You'll never convince a propagandist because his job is to promote propaganda at the expense of common sense and objective research. So why bother?
Time for a return to proactively presenting info on archaeology, anthropology, genetics, history, and all the other topics ES AE is famous for. Leave the Fool chase after his ding a ling on his own.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Let's face it TarotFool101 will always declare himself a winner when its over obvious he fails to come up to even minimal standards of what's asked of him making him perhaps the biggest loser ever encountered on ES.
Hem and haw jimmy jackin' with him is a waste of what could be good productive time developing meaningful threads on genetics, culture, history and so on and even some more of those YouTube jobbies.
The Fool's not here to objectively weigh evidence or acknowledge vivid color repros over washed out versions even when the facial features have not the slightest in common with north Mediterraneans or Levantines or Arabs.
You'll never convince a propagandist because his job is to promote propaganda at the expense of common sense and objective research. So why bother?
Time for a return to proactively presenting info on archaeology, anthropology, genetics, history, and all the other topics ES AE is famous for. Leave the Fool chase after his ding a ling on his own.
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