Whats going on?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Now that you have broad featured Kemitians why don't you post something truly thought provoking and interesting instead of the same ol tired Bull..or just not bother posting at all Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
^ Exactly. To push the point home even further. Spiralman why are you trying to "Eyeball" anthropological features that have actually be measured? When we take a look at actual MEASUREMENTS they tell us that your Eyeballs dont really tell you what you THINK they do:
Why are Tanzanians and Ugandans clustering closer to ancient Egyptian material than those Y-TEEs like Cyprus and Greeks all the way at the bottom? Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
Ancient Egyptians belonged to a Cushitic-type family stock. Their features mostly resembled other cushitic peoples. Those with broader features were probably of Nilo-Saharan stock.
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
your thoughts
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
He sure doesn't look anything like this Old Kingdom bust.
Posted by adrianne (Member # 10761) on :
a simple girl
whats the name of the person this bust represents
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Ancient Egyptians belonged to a Cushitic-type family stock. Their features mostly resembled other cushitic peoples. Those with broader features were probably of Nilo-Saharan stock.
People of ''Cushitic stock'' don't have broad noses and faces that you would conjure up (out of thin air) ethnic divisions between on Ancient Egyptian folks who do and don't display those features?
Are you aware of the fact that certain Nilo Saharan speaking folks are among the most diverging populations in Africa compared to your stereotyped Africans?
Apparently not!
LOL.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by adrianne: a simple girl
whats the name of the person this bust represents
I see you are on to their habit of using bogus artifacts to support a bogus claim - nice.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another image from the Old Kingdom that doesn't quite fit the profile.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
LOL I see we have the same dumb trolls repeating the same idiocy.
As if it hasn't been made clear in this forum countless times that Africans come in a variety of features and not just the stereotyped Congo-forest-"negro".
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: He sure doesn't look anything like this Old Kingdom bust.
That's because he is Congolese NOT Egyptian.
That Old Kingdom bust does resemble Ethiopian folks like this woman below.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
^And you are delusional as usual.lol...The nose bridge is too low and the lips are too thick. Try again delusional one. lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
To Spiralman, your lame strawman mugshots from Carleton Coon's book cannot save you.
Protodynastic
Old Kingdom
New Kingdom
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: ^And you are delusional as usual.lol...The nose bridge is too low and the lips are too thick. Try again delusional one. lol
The only one delusional is YOU. LOL Just give it up trying to claim an AFRICAN civilization and people as your own! Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: ^And you are delusional as usual.lol...The nose bridge is too low and the lips are too thick. Try again delusional one. lol
The only one delusional is YOU. LOL Just give it up trying to claim an AFRICAN civilization and people as your own!
Of course it was an African civilization since it was in Africa duh. But there is plenty of evidence showing that the civilization was imported from the near east duh. Give it up delusional one.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Straight on and uncensored. From the Old Kingdom.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Of course it was an African civilization since it was in Africa duh. But there is plenty of evidence showing that the civilization was imported from the near east duh. Give it up delusional one.
Imported from the Near East by whom??!! Your realize that the "dynastic race" theory of invaders from the east has been DEBUNKED for like over thirty years now, do you?!! Even Hawass who doesn't like blacks admits that civilization began in the Nile Valley to the south, you moron! LOL
quote: Straight on and uncensored. From the Old Kingdom.
Okay? So were those other pictures I posted.
By the way here is a closer look at Menkaure above:
Whites like you must have issues to want to claim BLACK heritage.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
Djehuti where's your pic of that really dark skinned Sudanese man with the green shirt the color of this smiley?
You used to post a picture of these Sudanese cats mainly for the dark skinned man under a picture of that scribe sculpture who's paints been "cleaned".
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ What for? They didn't put up the seated scribe yet. LOL
Here is more Old Kingdom art
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Of course it was an African civilization since it was in Africa duh. But there is plenty of evidence showing that the civilization was imported from the near east duh. Give it up delusional one.
Imported from the Near East by whom??!! Your realize that the "dynastic race" theory of invaders from the east has been DEBUNKED for like over thirty years now, do you?!! Even Hawass who doesn't like blacks admits that civilization began in the Nile Valley to the south, you moron! LOL
And where is your evidence that the the Naqada II gravesites contain objects from the south? lol
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ What for? They didn't put up the seated scribe yet. LOL
Here is more Old Kingdom art
The last image looks nothing like the first posted. And you keep showing images from tombs that are of servants and slaves of the ones entombed. lol
Another image from the Old Kingdom.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Your point?? How is does that image portray a white man?? LOL
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: And where is your evidence that the the Naqada II gravesites contain objects from the south? lol
Hippopotamus ivory, the Nile boat theme first found in Khartoum Mesolithic, proto-hieroglyphs contemporary (contemporary with proto-cunieform) but using animal totems found in Sudan, cosmetic palettes similar to those found in the Sahara and the Sudan, need I say more? How about you cite evidence of Asiatic items in Naqada II? LOL Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Plenty of Old Kingdom reliefs look nothing like your handful of select images.lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LOL I've posted over ten pics while you posted only 4, so who is the one being select?! LOL And that one picture you just posted, is that suppose to be proof of a white man??
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL I've posted over ten pics while you posted only 4, so who is the one being select?! LOL And that one picture you just posted, is that suppose to be proof of a white man??
Well it's damn sure obvious to anyone with any lick of commonsense, that it sure doesn't look anything like the man in the first post. lol
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another black man with the paint wore off from the Old Kingdom?lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Well common sense should tell one that the portrait you just posted is unpainted and therefore not telling of the skin color.
Common sense should also tell one that not all black Africans have the same features as that one Congolese man in the topic picture, not even all Congolese look like him! LOL
If unpainted statuary were made of the two men above, no doubt you would not consider them to be black either. LOL
By the way, aren't you going to answer my question pertaining to the Naqada II since you were the one that started it?
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Here's the seated scribe you spoke about looking just like the man in the first post. lol From the Old Kingdom. His paint has wore off. lol
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Yes the paint is worn off that would make it no different from most ancient artifacts, you dummy.
His features (and color) are just like the Somali man in the green shirt.
Which is still black (perhaps blacker) than the one guy in the parent post.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
all of the above
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Yes, all of the above I just wrote is correct which is why Simple Mind is silent.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, all of the above I just wrote is correct which is why Simple Mind is silent.
Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
I don't see any contradiction in any of the above art to the assertion of the Nile Valley dwellers in question having been black (like other Nile Dwellers) ...
but i don't tend to attach any *mental* ideals of a racial nature onto statue physiognomy in the first place.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Old Kingdom.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Thutmose III
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Well I suggest you keep eating since you obviously don't have a clue to what you're talking about.
quote:Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
Yes those big lips and the dark brown paint that was his original color, no doubt a white man! LOL
Here's a wood statue with similar features.
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Old Kingdom.
Yes and notice his milk chocolate complexion. Yep not a black man but a white guy with too much spray on tan! LMAO
It's official, you're an idiot. You obviously lost your silly game of picture spam by debunking yourself.
Posted by Siptah (Member # 17601) on :
There are many Ancient Egyptian sculpture who sport such features.
Here are some images:
Ramses III:
Amenhotep III:
Huni:
Bust of Nefertari:
Queen Tiye:
Berlin Nefertiti: Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Well I suggest you keep eating since you obviously don't have a clue to what you're talking about.
quote:Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
Yes those big lips and the dark brown paint that was his original color, no doubt a white man! LOL
Here's a wood statue with similar features.
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Old Kingdom.
Yes and notice his milk chocolate complexion. Yep not a black man but a white guy with too much spray on tan! LMAO
It's official, you're an idiot. You obviously lost your silly game of picture spam by debunking yourself.
Anyone notice that the last two wooden statues have blue eyes?And anyone with any lick of knowledge knows that wood darkens with age. Pizza makes you smarter. Go eat some. lol
Posted by Siptah (Member # 17601) on :
Teti:
Armana Head Sister of King Tut:
Another Nefertiti bust:
Sahure: Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Simple Girl
What you fail to understand is that wood would "NEVER" darken enough to make statues look more Black then what they really were.
Now simple please tell the forum why the wood in the eyes of this Bust:
Stayed "White" and did not darken at all. Will love to see how you spin this one since you posted wooden models of Black Egyptians.
Peace
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Your point?? How is does that image portray a white man?? LOL
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: And where is your evidence that the the Naqada II gravesites contain objects from the south? lol
Hippopotamus ivory, the Nile boat theme first found in Khartoum Mesolithic, proto-hieroglyphs contemporary (contemporary with proto-cunieform) but using animal totems found in Sudan, cosmetic palettes similar to those found in the Sahara and the Sudan, need I say more? How about you cite evidence of Asiatic items in Naqada II? LOL
DJ, look here. This is a map of her imaginary distribution of Predynastic culture flowing in from the Levant.
LOL
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
could be anybody
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
She is more like Queen Tiye than Nefertiti...
And Simple the thread header was Why can't we locate such Ancient Egyptians sculpture with these features? meaninｇ broad features as opposed to narrow featured Africans living in Kemet which was shown in abundance..Africans are Africans period!
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
The Berlin bust has rather unenthused looking facial demeanor while Michelle's picture plastered over it with eyes wide open as opposed to just open looks like she's at your or whomever's attention.
Michelle's face is either kind of high or looking up too.
Not that she necessarily looks like that individual.
I have aunts one of whom looks like the aged looking real bust inside (which resembles others) and one who looks like the face Nazi era outer cast of the infamous Berlin Bust posted above (which German scientists discovered the inside cast of).
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind Wasted: Anyone notice that the last two wooden statues have blue eyes?...
Yes, your ilk are often quick to point out the marble eyes that are actually translucent and look 'blue' when the light hits it in certain angles, yet you totally ignore the dark coloring that was the black skin.
quote:And anyone with any lick of knowledge knows that wood darkens with age.
It depends on if the wood is exposed to things like humidity or chemicals. Egypt is usually dry which means most of the damage to wooden statues would be to the paint itself and not the wood.
As anyone with eyes can see the wooden statue above is PAINTED and the paint has been chipped off in some areas.
Look at some other examples...
Even the eyes are painted so wood "darkening" is not a reasonable excuse, dummy.
quote:Pizza makes you smarter. Go eat some. lol
Well it looks like in YOUR case, it makes you dumber. LOL Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Your point?? How is does that image portray a white man?? LOL
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: And where is your evidence that the the Naqada II gravesites contain objects from the south? lol
Hippopotamus ivory, the Nile boat theme first found in Khartoum Mesolithic, proto-hieroglyphs contemporary (contemporary with proto-cunieform) but using animal totems found in Sudan, cosmetic palettes similar to those found in the Sahara and the Sudan, need I say more? How about you cite evidence of Asiatic items in Naqada II? LOL
DJ, look here. This is a map of her imaginary distribution of Predynastic culture flowing in from the Levant.
LOL
Of course, only in her twisted imagination which is why she never responded! LMAO Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: could be anybody
But it's NOT just anybody. It is Menkaura an AFRICAN (not a Eurasian) king.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
More Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: could be anybody
But it's NOT just anybody. It is Menkaura an AFRICAN (not a Eurasian) king.
You are definitely a delusional idiot if you think that any one of these look like the typical negroid African. Go eat some pizza. lol
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
More Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Blue eyed and from the Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another Old Kingdom statue that looks to have blue eyes.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
And yet another image from the Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Even more from the Old Kingdom.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
A relief showing a very striking contrast between slaves and the Egyptians themselves.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
More Old Kingdom stuff showing the original way the Egyptians portrayed the red coloring of the man with the light coloring of the woman.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Old Kingdom relief.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Old Kingdom and made of wood so they are naturally darkened.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
By the way here is a closer look at Menkaure above:
Whites like you must have issues to want to claim BLACK heritage.
Everyone needs to go to the website www.returntoglory.org and see exactly where you lifted these two images delusional one.lol They look to be a little photofixed.lol
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
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A Simple Girl, what do you think about the Amenhotep III below previously posted?
^^^just looking at this piece specifically it appears to have typical black features, do you agree?
^^^^also King Sahure
^^^^they have a skin tone which is common in a lot of Egyptian art a medium reddish brown skin tone, definitely not "light skinned"
I would conclude that some ancient Egyptians were what are considered "black people"
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Curiously enough, the tiresome nit-picking re nasal and labial indices of Africans is never pursued in the case of East Asians. In the latter case any casual observation of the East Asian physiognomy shows a wide range of nasal indices--even within groups that are supposed to be fairly homogeneous: Han Chinese for example. And as you go further South in East Asia labial indices ranges do approximate those of Africa.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Curiously enough, the tiresome nit-picking re nasal and labial indices of Africans is never pursued in the case of East Asians. In the latter case any casual observation of the East Asian physiognomy shows a wide range of nasal indices--even within groups that are supposed to be fairly homogeneous: Han Chinese for example. And as you go further South in East Asia labial indices ranges do approximate those of Africa.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Quite true Lamin no one cares about nose difference in Asians But they get all hot n bothered over nasal indices amongst Africans.. Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
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___________________________AFRICANS
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: .
A Simple Girl, what do you think about the Amenhotep III below previously posted?
^^^just looking at this piece specifically it appears to have typical black features, do you agree?
^^^^also King Sahure
^^^^they have a skin tone which is common in a lot of Egyptian art a medium reddish brown skin tone, definitely not "light skinned"
I would conclude that some ancient Egyptians were what are considered "black people"
Yes of course there were. I agree with you that Egypt was a combined racial mix of people.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
^The West is the best.
I've freakin seen some awesome pictures of Berber dress and those who wear Kente. Where are all those pictures Doug or King posted of Tuareg looking hard as hell? It was those mofos alone (as far as the picture) in the desert, even a few chick's pictures i've seen (well one was Siwa -- do they just consider themselves Berber or also show solidarity with Kel Tamasheq?)
Back on point though:
(^clickable)
What's so amazing in the art is the attention to detail not just in the way of facial features but also individual demeanors. The bottom picture isn't ancient "Egyptian" though, it is Medjay. Like the guy who was said to be such in "The Mummy":
Cool guy and bird though. I'm just sayin they could have gotten that one a bit closer.
And on that note, on the topic of this thread
4 Common Types:
1.) just African
I find many pictures to me - no matter the nose width, facial height, or whatever else folks emphasize - have something about them which purely suggests Africa ("pure" said for emphasis as if in casual conversation, not said for scientific accuracy -- i don't believe in any actual such archetypal proxy phenotype from which to guage a person's "Africanity"). This is type
2.) ambiguous features
Then there are those who look like they could be viewed a number of ways because people see what they want to. At the moment looks totally and perfectly black but there are times i might glance at these and others from the mixed region living today in and outside of Egypt come to mind. But i usually don't mind over it or think about it for more than a second and a half.
3.) Combination of 1 and 4
Then there are individuals who when i see them they look like a mixture of type 1.) the obvious African phenotype (regardless of nose width or other things Aryocentrists get boners over) and type 4.) (below) who when i see these i tend to think of how many people there are TODAY in regions that comprised the a. egyptian world / empire must have had daddies or great great ^ x grand fathers who looked like the above.
People tend to over think about influence on ancient egypt -- it was a superpower that lasted for over 3 millenia, even in its Wane easily (the way they recount it at least) putting down and enslaving such scourges as the invading Sea Peoples (a Sea fairing band of destroyers of a number of other mighty civilizations in Eurasia before putting Egypt in their sights).
There is ample, no, buku evidence of Nile Valley influence on West Eurasia's people's genetics / ancestry, alphabets, religion, culture / lifestyle, food, etc. Even before the Pharaohs. So why can't they be Egyptian mixed? This study of the an ancient Israel culture and people called Natufians who are believed to be responsible for the "Neolithic" or people in the Middle East and Europe learning how to farm are said by a 2005 or 6 study to have had about as much of "a clear sub-Saharan component" in them as Eurasian component evident in them.
4.) Beak nosed
I was trying really hard to look up a picture of a fairly Caucasian-Middle Eastern looking individual. Any other day the pics of this type aren't hard to find. Anyway did as well as i could. Lamin brought up an excellent point. Even before, but especially after seeing many pictures and reading studies on ancient Egyptian homogeneity (them all resembling themselves more so than any other population -- whoever those were) in terms of certain traits at least i don't really have much of an issue with the majority (at least 60%) of "beak nosed" pictures i see, in terms of questioning their native "Egyptianity" and "Africanity".
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
Now this is without systematic analysis -- my normal opinion upon glancing or happening on photos.
There are times where i can see how some wishful thinkers interpret non-black but they look just like cousins, family, and folks lifted straight off of Brooklyn square:
Then there's the obvious (even if not archetypal forest negro)
Then there are the countless obvious archetypal African looking types:
And they get much much more obvious than that.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
I would call these the average ancient egyptian phenotype:
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
For simple:
the Inobvious:
Then there's the complete inobvious whom i could see Euro- and mixo- centrists claiming but ...
who could very well have been and whom i just looking at the photo take to have been a perfectly non mixed and native Nile Valley dweller.
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On another note, anyone know if this picture is fake?
It's not a racial thing -- this to me looks ambiguous in that they are dark / medium of hue, and have beards. Could look like ancient Israel or Arabia.
It's just that it's styled like ancient Egyptian art and they didn't wear beards like that and even the head gear and other things just looks totally off. I've seen galleries of thousands of images and have not seen one like this and can at times spot phonies.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Is that a hooka?the green bottle thingy.
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
The figure in the middle doesn't stand out from other Ancient Egyptian citizens to me. The figure on the right is highly questionable, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because of his apparel and his, albeit rather odd looking, nemes headgear. Why a Nemes wearing figure would allow himself to be depicted seated lower than both the aiding and the other seated figure is beyond me. The figure on the left is a whole nother story. Aside from his necklace and the spear behind him, he looks nothing like Ancient Egyptians and reminds me of Mesopotamian, Elamite and Indian characters.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
^Right.
quote:The figure on the right is highly questionable, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because of his apparel and his, albeit rather odd looking, nemes headgear.
That beard tho ... just seems too messy for ancient Egyptian standards. Now i know they had beards.
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
Off the top I can recall a couple of depictions of royals sporting beards, but they're usually of the trimmed side burn variety, that gradually morph into fake beards near the chin.
The only facial hair that I can recall, which resembles what you posted earlier, is of a commoner on a wall but I can't locate it. Sometimes none-goatee beards are depicted on Pharao's, see the ''Hyksos'' statues.
Where did you find the picture? After examining it a bit more, I've come to the conclusion that it must be a fake, or a tampered with version of a real wall relief. The reason why is because aside from the already mentioned reasons, there is absolutely no formal posing going on of the type that one would expect in a setting wherein Egyptian royalty receives foreign visitors. They're positioned in a manner which seems totally copied off of the King Tut (chair) scene where he is depicted with his girlfriend.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
A google search. The site is corbisimages, i recall actually visiting the site and reckoning it fake.
My guess just from looking at it is it's definitely fake, from going to the site, it might be fake, so i'm not assuming it's real and yes it does seem familiar to that scene one of my first thoughts was i've seen it before but different.
Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
Your initial suspicions were on point
Posted by Near (Member # 18223) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: .
A Simple Girl, what do you think about the Amenhotep III below previously posted?
^^^just looking at this piece specifically it appears to have typical black features, do you agree?
^^^^also King Sahure
^^^^they have a skin tone which is common in a lot of Egyptian art a medium reddish brown skin tone, definitely not "light skinned"
I would conclude that some ancient Egyptians were what are considered "black people"
Yes of course there were. I agree with you that Egypt was a combined racial mix of people.
Combined racial mix implies significant admixture from non-Africans. If you can provide evidence for something like that, feel free. Otherwise, those of us in reality realise the diversity in Africa is not due to admixture. As for lioness, I believe you have a narrow sense of what "black people" look like. I would say that most AE were what we would call "black" in the modern world.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ But that is what these fools fail to realize! That black Africans naturally vary in features. Why is that so hard to believe especially when genetics proves that Africans as the oldest living populations possess the greatest genetic diversity?!
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind Wasted: More Old Kingdom.
Hemiunu's statue was discovered with the head broken off and the face damaged.
It was later restored likely incorrectly.
quote:
Your point?
quote:You are definitely a delusional idiot if you think that any one of these look like the typical negroid African. Go eat some pizza. lol
Again you fail to realize that it is YOU who is the delusional idiot if you think that all blacks must have the same stereotypical traits.
Here is another African who doesn't.
Instead of eating pizza, you need to read more or go visit Africa, dummy!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: More Old Kingdom.
Yes and you can see his original black complexion is faded.
Here is more:
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Idiot: Blue eyed and from the Old Kingdom.
I thought I explained to you the eyes are marble that reflect light creating the illusion of bluish eyes!
Here is a closer inspection.
Even closer.
As you can see, they are not really blue at all but dark gray that lights up when light is reflected, idiot.
quote: Another Old Kingdom statue that looks to have blue eyes.
You are definitely deranged as anyone with good eyesight can clearly see that the statue is painted with BLACK pupils! LOL Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Idiot: Everyone needs to go to the website www.returntoglory.org and see exactly where you lifted these two images delusional one.lol They look to be a little photofixed.lol
Everyone in here knows about that site, but where is your proof that the photo was "fixed" or ANY of the photos there for that matter? LOL Again you offer nothing but bad conjectures based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. Sorry little girl there is no such thing as white let alone blue-eyed Egyptians. LOL
quote: A relief showing a very striking contrast between slaves and the Egyptians themselves.
Yet most slaves in Egypt were Asiatics NOT Kushite Nubians. Nice lie.
Here are portraits of Egyptian KINGS.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote: More Old Kingdom stuff showing the original way the Egyptians portrayed the red coloring of the man with the light coloring of the woman.
Actually it is a reddish DARK BROWN.
The same color seen here:
Modern Giza Egyptian
^ Notice his features including the long pointy nose are not the "typical negroid" features dummies like Simple Brain believe in.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: ...I would conclude that some ancient Egyptians were what are considered "black people"
Of course you would, because you can't accept the FACT that it was ALL Egyptians since all Egyptians are indigenous to Africa and thus BLACK.
However your belief that "some" were only makes you 50% accurate compared to Simple Brain who is 0%. LOL
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___________________________AFRICANS
Yes. Modern Africans of mixed-Eurasian ancestry.
I'm sure their ancient more pristine ancestors were totally black in appearance.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
Not to mention her pic is likely restoration -- the paints on more thoroughly (at least for "nubians"; ancient egyptians' white garb is barely any whiter than the background on which they're painted):
In terms of facial profile they don't appear much different: ok these war captives look more wrinkled and rough but not much moreso than egyptian workers (folks of similar status) and their lower facial profiles seem bigger.
^Black power! Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
^ says he who is white.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
^Theze nuts muhfukha..
Seriously what has this guy wrapped around my nutz like that?
Why's he always grabbing for my nuts?? You're pretty lame for a 'black' person.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Hemiunu's statue was discovered with the head broken off and the face damaged.
It was later restored likely incorrectly.
I'm wondering why you would assume that the restoration was likely incorrect?
-don't go ape on me
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another Old Kingdom image of Hemiunu as a younger man.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ The Simpleminded girl above fails to realize she lost her argument a long time ago. Blacks vary in features so unpainted or paint-loss portraits showing thin lips and narrow noses proves NOTHING.
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: I'm wondering why you would assume that the restoration was likely incorrect?
-don't go ape on me
LOL No need to "go ape". The face of Hemiunu was shattered and found in pieces. Some pieces were able to fit back while most were too small and just crumbs of rock. As you can see in the closer image above most of the lost stone comprised the nose which was redone with new material. As such I question the very authenticity of the nose and overall face. What makes you think the restoration is any accurate??
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: ^ says he who is white.
Not that it really matters, but what makes you think Whatbox is white? Also, aren't you the last to talk? LOL Posted by Near (Member # 18223) on :
Posted by Near (Member # 18223) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Idiot: Everyone needs to go to the website www.returntoglory.org and see exactly where you lifted these two images delusional one.lol They look to be a little photofixed.lol
Everyone in here knows about that site, but where is your proof that the photo was "fixed" or ANY of the photos there for that matter? LOL Again you offer nothing but bad conjectures based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. Sorry little girl there is no such thing as white let alone blue-eyed Egyptians. LOL
quote: A relief showing a very striking contrast between slaves and the Egyptians themselves.
Yet most slaves in Egypt were Asiatics NOT Kushite Nubians. Nice lie.
Here are portraits of Egyptian KINGS.
About the image of Amenhotep III: Could you give me a link to the image? I've seen some argue it is fake, and then show another image which might be the original. Not that it matters, as both look equally like a "black person.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ The Simpleminded girl above fails to realize she lost her argument a long time ago. Blacks vary in features so unpainted or paint-loss portraits showing thin lips and narrow noses proves NOTHING.
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: I'm wondering why you would assume that the restoration was likely incorrect?
-don't go ape on me
LOL No need to "go ape". The face of Hemiunu was shattered and found in pieces. Some pieces were able to fit back while most were too small and just crumbs of rock. As you can see in the closer image above most of the lost stone comprised the nose which was redone with new material. As such I question the very authenticity of the nose and overall face. What makes you think the restoration is any accurate??
alTakruri, Djehuti's saying that the relief here probably represents Hemiunu better than the sculpture posted previously. In the relief his nose looks larger sticking out more. He also has those slit type narrow type nostrils you have been describing lately as white people type nostrils. What do you think? whites in AE or some kind of anomaly?
Djehuti, don't jump in alTakr can answer it
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: what has this guy wrapped around my nutz like that?
You wish, queer.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: ^ says he who is white.
Not that it really matters, but what makes you think Whatbox is white? Also, aren't you the last to talk? LOL
Go light your candles, wannabe. LOL
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
anguishofbeing worships white existentialists and has the German word dasein at the bottom of his threads.
I'm not saying it's wrong but it seems a little odd.
below he will be posting some more Jewish holocaust stuff, we know how he do
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
I would worship Jewish "holocaust survivors" but there is no such thing. Posted by argyle104 (Member # 14634) on :
What is this obsession with other people's looks?
Only in the U.S. can you find this sort of psychotic depravity.
Seriously people like lioness and alTakruri looking at people's nostrils?
Think about that folks.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by argyle104:
Seriously people like lioness and alTakruri looking at people's nostrils?
Think about that folks. [/QB]
alTakruri is doing innovate nostril research, others are into limbs
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by argyle104:
Seriously people like lioness and alTakruri looking at people's nostrils?
Think about that folks.
alTakruri is doing innovate nostril research, others are into limbs [/QB]
As if your dumbass isn't into "innovate nostril research" also. Remember your refusal to acknowledge the diversity of African features especially certain Nubian noses, arguing it was evidence of Eurasian admixture? lol
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another image of Amenhotep III looking nothing like the painting.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] ^ The Simpleminded girl above fails to realize she lost her argument a long time ago. Blacks vary in features so unpainted or paint-loss portraits showing thin lips and narrow noses proves NOTHING. [qb]
^ And this is where you lose your argument every time. It is an admission by you that the relief looks caucasian.lol
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: He sure doesn't look anything like this Old Kingdom bust.
This bust looks more like an Northren Nubian.
It's clear you have no clue what you speak of, sitting there in your ignorance, typing stupidity.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: He sure doesn't look anything like this Old Kingdom bust.
Northeast Africans are predomantly E-M78
And North Nubians are closely linked to Horners. Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spiralman:
Whats going on?
Anyone intelligent will know by now, that Africa is most diverse in gene-, phenotype.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Another image from the Old Kingdom that doesn't quite fit the profile.
But it does fit the profil of North Nubians!
Then again your name says it all. Aint that right, "simple" girl? Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: ^And you are delusional as usual.lol...The nose bridge is too low and the lips are too thick. Try again delusional one. lol
The only one delusional is YOU. LOL Just give it up trying to claim an AFRICAN civilization and people as your own!
Of course it was an African civilization since it was in Africa duh. But there is plenty of evidence showing that the civilization was imported from the near east duh. Give it up delusional one.
Only a simple minded person whould come up with such statement in 2011. When evidence is more then ever abundantly showing that the civilization of the Nile culture was created by native Africans. And how it arose from the South of the Sahara/ Sahel.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Straight on and uncensored. From the Old Kingdom.
Have you seen these status in real life?
Who don't you look for a blown up image, since it appears that you have terrible eyesight.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, all of the above I just wrote is correct which is why Simple Mind is silent.
Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
I am starting wonder, have you ever been to Egypt, the South in particular? Do you even know about Saqqara?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ What for? They didn't put up the seated scribe yet. LOL
Here is more Old Kingdom art
The last image looks nothing like the first posted. And you keep showing images from tombs that are of servants and slaves of the ones entombed. lol
Another image from the Old Kingdom.
Again the image of a North Nubian.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13
"Materials and methods In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550_/1080 BC)...... The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of neriod origin."
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, all of the above I just wrote is correct which is why Simple Mind is silent.
Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
One of the oldest remains from Upper Egypt, shows strong sub-Saharan affinities, and early northern Egypt also shows sub-Saharan affinities through cultural traits- the 'Nubian complex' of technology and production.
"The morphometric affinities of the 33,000 year old skeleton from Nazlet Khater, Upper Egypt are examined using multivariate statistical procedures.. The results indicate a strong association between some of the sub-Saharan Middle Stone Age (MSA) specimens, and the Nazlet Khater mandible. Furthermore, the results suggest that variability between African populations during the Neolithic and Protohistoric periods was more pronounced than the range of variability observed among recent African and Levantine populations." (PINHASI Ron, SEMAL Patrick (2000). The position of the Nazlet Khater specimen among prehistoric and modern African and Levantine populations. Journal of human evolution. 2000, vol. 39, no3, pp. 269-288 )
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Silent? Well I guess so since I went and ate pizza. lol
Well I suggest you keep eating since you obviously don't have a clue to what you're talking about.
quote:Another from Saqqara in the Old Kingdom.
Yes those big lips and the dark brown paint that was his original color, no doubt a white man! LOL
Here's a wood statue with similar features.
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Mind: Old Kingdom.
Yes and notice his milk chocolate complexion. Yep not a black man but a white guy with too much spray on tan! LMAO
It's official, you're an idiot. You obviously lost your silly game of picture spam by debunking yourself.
Anyone notice that the last two wooden statues have blue eyes?And anyone with any lick of knowledge knows that wood darkens with age. Pizza makes you smarter. Go eat some. lol
Which statues are you referring at, because I haven't seen them. Perhaps it was the relfexion of the glas resembling the eye. It can come off as blue, did you know that? Like South Sudanees they appear dark blueish black, in the sun.
For sure is, that you aren't a person of color. Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
The more you post the more clueless and clownish you become.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Ish Gebor
Desist your picture spam, It is messing up the thread.
Correct your photo sizing, so that the thread returns to a readable state.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: More Old Kingdom.
More Northeast African, North Nubians. Yes!
You and your clueless rantings. Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Ish Gebor
Desist your picture spam, It is messing up the thread.
Correct your photo sizing, so that the thread returns to a readable state.
It happend by accident not on purpose.
Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Another image from the Old Kingdom that doesn't quite fit the profile.
But it does fit the profil of North Nubians!
Then again your name says it all. Aint that right, "simple" girl?
Yeehaw! Let's giv'er a biscuit! How 'bout it girl?
Sike but seriously this whole game of her's is irrelevant; it "doesn't fit" what profile? Something she made up in her head?
They don't at all look odd to me. In fact who and what they are is clear to me in the above.
A lot of the sculpture looks detailed and from my observation of a lot of art i reckon the sculpted stuff less likely to be symbolism than the 2D wall paintings. That said some of it looks generic and there are even sculptures said to be the same of the same individual that look like a couple different people (Akhenaten's come to mind) or other people who got sculpted. Some of their stuff has large eyes.
This is another culture, but a Simplecomment from me would be "lot of Nok art has slanted just like an Asian profile".
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Idiot: Another image of Amenhotep III looking nothing like the painting.
LOL That is not even Amenhotep III (whose portraits are pretty much consistent as shown by Ish Gebor) but actually Thutmose III! Not that it matters because unpainted statues with aquiline noses is not proof of white Egyptians. LOL
Here is a PAINTED picture of Thutmose III
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingjewfrightened: I would worship Jewish "holocaust survivors" but there is no such thing.
Sure thing. The Holocaust is a total fabrication created by the Nazis under the direction of the Zionists. LOL Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Correct, this picture reflects the real image, it's at the temple of Rames at elephantine island, close to the Border of Sudan. In that temple you will find images of many battles been fought and won by Rames. You will also find images of Asians types being captured, of course these Eurocentric clowns will not show this. The image shows central Africans, likely the Nuba tribe.
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: Not to mention her pic is likely restoration -- the paints on more thoroughly (at least for "nubians"; ancient egyptians' white garb is barely any whiter than the background on which they're painted):
In terms of facial profile they don't appear much different: ok these war captives look more wrinkled and rough but not much moreso than egyptian workers (folks of similar status) and their lower facial profiles seem bigger.
^Black power!
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
This post by you proves that you have never been to Egypt. If so you whould have seen on the walls of many temples, the many battles. And the many captives of non-African origin.
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: A relief showing a very striking contrast between slaves and the Egyptians themselves.
Karnak in Thebes
The outer walls of the Hypostyle Hall are covered with scenes of battle. Again, Seti I is to the north and Ramesses II is to the south. The scenes have long since lost their color that was painted and the outlines of the scenes have been blurred by the centuries of wind and sun
It is unsure whether the scenes of battle are based on historical fact or of ritual significance. It is thought that when the battle details are very precise, real events are most likely involved. Seti's battles take place in Lebanon, southern Palestine and Syria.
The Nomes (Provinces) of Ancient Egypt
Jea-0124 Title: Great Temple of Ramses II, Abu Simbel Date: ca. 1254 BCE Description: relief detail at entrance: a row of Syrian prisoners Vendor: Saskia, Ltd.
"Relief depicting captives of war, Temple of Amun, Karnak,
A king shall come belonging to the South, Ameny by name, the son of a woman of Ta-Sti, a child of Khen-nekhen. He shall receive the White Crown, he shall wear the Red Crown....The people of his time shall rejoice, the son of Someone shall make his name for ever and ever.
Here the non-royal descent of Ammenemes I is clearly enough indicated, for the phrase 'son of Someone' was a common way of designating a man of good, though not princely, birth. Ta-Sti is the name of the first nome of Upper Egypt, that of which Elephantine was the capital, and where the population was no doubt partly of Nubian race.
The Battle of Kadesh is one of the most well known military campaigns of history because it is the earliest battle that can be reliably reconstructed in detail from various records on both sides of the conflict. Fought between Ramesses II, one of Egypt's best known pharaohs, and the Hittites under Muwatallish (along with a number of allies), this battle over control of Syrian territory has received considerable attention by many analysts over the years.
Posted by pcontrol (Member # 18503) on :
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by pcontrol:
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by pcontrol:
Repost,
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeingjewfrightened: I would worship Jewish "holocaust survivors" but there is no such thing.
Sure thing. The Holocaust is a total fabrication created by the Nazis under the direction of the Zionists. LOL
Well you can try to prove your case like Lioness, Apoco, Grumman, rasolowitz and Jewboy but we all know where that will go... Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
btw, i just turned off images from that site.
And yeah, i've also known of Asiatic captives pictures for a while now.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: btw, i just turned off images from that site.
And yeah, i've also known of Asiatic captives pictures for a while now.
There is this image at the Temple of Sobek where you will see Asiatic captives their hands being fed to a lion for their punishment.
All over Egypt you will see images of Asiatics in bondage, being captured.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ What for? They didn't put up the seated scribe yet. LOL
Here is more Old Kingdom art
The last image looks nothing like the first posted. And you keep showing images from tombs that are of servants and slaves of the ones entombed. lol
Another image from the Old Kingdom.
Again the image of a North Nubian.
Seen from a different angle:
Here is a link of full blown image of Prince Ankh Haf
I thought it was common knowledge that most of the slaves were Asiatics.
At least that's what i've read most often.
It turns ironic though when folks insinuate derogatory things about Nehesu (ancient Egytpian term for inner Africans in general) which they refer to by "Nubians" (who, proper, were actually A. "Egyptians", infact the originals).
In the prophecy of Nefertari they mention a Prince will rise of such ancestry to oust the Asiatics. There are many pharaohs whom they let rule with such maternal ancestry -- this is very significant for a nation that wouldn't let any native queen or female royal intermingle with foreign men.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: I thought it was common knowledge that most of the slaves were Asiatics.
At least that's what i've read most often.
It turns ironic though when folks insinuate derogatory things about Nehesu (ancient Egytpian term for inner Africans in general) which they refer to by "Nubians" (who, proper, were actually A. "Egyptians", infact the originals).
In the prophecy of Nefertari they mention a Prince will rise of such ancestry to oust the Asiatics. There are many pharaohs whom they let rule with such maternal ancestry -- this is very significant for a nation that wouldn't let any native queen or female royal intermingle with foreign men.
Well, its obvious that people like Simple Girl and some other simple minded white twits aren't aware of this.
Just like she and others are completely null of the gene-, and phenotypes in Africa, in perticual Northeast Africa. So by looking at images on the Internet of ancient Egyptians they come up with their own conclusions. Claiming it was whites?
They don't understand that in some regions in Egypt it is relatively cold during the winter time. And especially in the morning. Therefore you will see native Africans with light complexion, with curl to straight hair, narrow noses and sometimes relatively thin lips, also the dryness of the air plays part in their appearance.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by A Simple Girl: Another black man with the paint wore off from the Old Kingdom?lol
^A lot of those sculptures you are posting are frauds and aren't ancient artifacts but remodeled made up hoax. I can't believe you and others fall for it.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji:
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Ancient Egyptians belonged to a Cushitic-type family stock. Their features mostly resembled other cushitic peoples. Those with broader features were probably of Nilo-Saharan stock.
People of ''Cushitic stock'' don't have broad noses and faces that you would conjure up (out of thin air) ethnic divisions between on Ancient Egyptian folks who do and don't display those features?
Are you aware of the fact that certain Nilo Saharan speaking folks are among the most diverging populations in Africa compared to your stereotyped Africans?
Apparently not!
LOL.
^Ethnic divisions is a fact of life and has been existing since there were people of different ethnicities. Ancient Egyptians had features that were more related to the Cushitic family. Those with broader features were more likely from Nilo-Saharan stock. The problem with the OP is that he/she thinks that Africans or black people has one look and that look is the "typical" negro-congo look. That includes short nappy hair,large broad skull and features, and a short stocky physique. Africans come in all shapes and sizes including hair texture, skin color, and cranio-bone structure which shapes facial features. It's something that the OP and you should acknowledge and stop trying to link all black Africans together as one big unified group. Egyptians come from a different family stock than your typical broad face short stocky big flat nose nappy-headed African, yet they were still black.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Bettyboo do you want to retract that this couldn't be a Cushitic black person?
Posted by Spiralman (Member # 16230) on :
Ish Gebor, if you are at least going to picture spam my thread then at least shrink your images. You are ruining my thread with your huge images. Shrink them down to size or post it as a link.
Posted by Spiralman (Member # 16230) on :
Djedefre doesn't fit the look either.
Posted by Just call me Jari (Member # 14451) on :
^^^^^^ Djedefre looks like a typical African.
Why is it so hard for you all to accept what is, Egypt was black in the same sense that Greece and Rome was white.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Bettyboo do you want to retract that this couldn't be a Cushitic black person?
This appears to be the same individual, Ra-Nofer.
In close up.
Additional info by the photographer and poster from flickr.
Ranofer, Cairo
Statue of Ranofer (Ranefer). without his wig. Painted limestone.
Saqqara, Mastaba of Ranofer (no.40) A. Mariette's excavations (1860) First half of dynasty 5 (around 2450 B.C. Egyptian Museum Cairo.
The two statues represent Ranofer as high priest of Ptah and Sokaris. The sculptures were discovered in two niches in the back wall of the mastaba chapel of Ranofer in the cemetery at Saqqara, where a seated statue of his wife Hekenu was also discovered.
The dimensions of the mastaba and the quality of the sculptures are evidence of Ranofer's high social standing.
NB: I made this photo (without flash) in Cairo in 2004, when photography was still allowed. Nowadays they ban camera's in the Egyptian Museum, Cairo. Holland has two major Egyptian museums, where photography inside the museum buildings (without flash of course) is still allowed, as in all other really important Egyptian museums in the world (with the also for Egyptian tourist Industry horrible exception of museums in Egypt).
My favourite Egyptian museum however is the Egyptian Museum Berlin, accomodated in the so-called Neues Museum, that opened October 17, 2009. The restoration of the Neues Museum costed € 250.000.000,= and the result is worth a trip to Berlin on its own! In Berlin the famous Nefertiti bust is photographed as a star by numerous enthusiastic visitors of the Neues Museum while Tutankhamun in a way lost his star status in Cairo where no pictures are made anymore by the countless disappointed visitors of the Egyptian Museum.
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: ^^^^^^ Djedefre looks like a typical African.
Why is it so hard for you all to accept what is, Egypt was black in the same sense that Greece and Rome was white.
Because his entire ego and "pride" is based on the false notion of white supremacy and black inferiority. If you were to shake him out of such a fantasy and bring him into reality he will be NOTHING, NOBODY, a LOSER. Or rather he will realize he is without his crutch of inferior black race. LOL
In the mean time. Here are ancient Egyptian royals to help bring him to reality:
Posted by HERU (Member # 6085) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Seen from a different angle:
Not to pile on or anything, but he reminds me of:
But, of course, nuh-uuuh, Forrest Whitaker is no negro!
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spiralman: Djedefre doesn't fit the look either.
You dumb piece of nazi turd, there are millions of black Northeast Africans with similar features. RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT.
But what the hell do you know, the only traveling you do is attending kkk rallys and such!
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