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Some nice horse shyt Eurocentism. But you are a little sloppy, 4:44 and 4:57 shows Nubians and the Egyptians having the same skin tone. I bet you didn't mean to let that one out did you? How come "Nubian negros" and Egyptians have the same skin tone? lol
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matter of fact is that "whites" can have a skincolor ranging from pretty much pure white to dark brown, while "blacks" range from near black to brown only (and I'm not talking of "blacks" that are looking nearly like whites because of admixture).
So being brown is totally natural for whites in Egypt.
On the otherside it is impossible for "blacks" to be totally white or rosy colored like most of the Egyptian Ladies are painted. (and I dont accept genetic defects of white Negros and other freaks of Nature crap)
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ok, now I checked the scenes you mentioned.
And if you can think logically and know about painting and art like I do, you would have realized that the Negros at 4:44 are painted in 2 different colors to make them visible better, if the artist wouldnt use dark brown and a lighter brown color it would have turned out into a black mess, where you cant see the bodies anymore.
the 4:57 scene is not the same color, what are you talking about, the negros are several shades darker.
but anyway. skincolor is not the only difference, its the facial features that are totally differenct. Egyptians have "euro" faces and Nubians have typical "negro" faces.
quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: ok, now I checked the scenes you mentioned.
And if you can think logically and know about painting and art like I do, you would have realized that the Negros at 4:44 are painted in 2 different colors to make them visible better, if the artist wouldnt use dark brown and a lighter brown color it would have turned out into a black mess, where you cant see the bodies anymore.
the 4:57 scene is not the same color, what are you talking about, the negros are several shades darker.
but anyway. skincolor is not the only difference, its the facial features that are totally differenct. Egyptians have "euro" faces and Nubians have typical "negro" faces.
^ typical Eurocentric logic after their bullshyt has been exposed. lol
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white where her panties were - otherwise pretty brown I'd say.
I get brown in 2 weeks in summer, and I'm German/Greek - but "Blacks" can never get white, and too many females in ancient Egyptian art are painted too fair skinned to be Negros.
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Not Negros but pretty brown too - native Berbers of northern Africa. (they range in color from totally white to very brown)
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What you fail to understand is that Egypt had symbolic colorings in the OK(Old Kingdom) and in the NK(New Kingdom) we have women as well as men painted in Dark Coloring just like the men.
Your Ideas are False and will be proven wrong with these pics:
As you can see, These pics show that It was mainly sumbolic and not because women were really that lighter then men. Again read this thread:
quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: these pictures only proofs that they were whites even more.
pic1: different shades of brown to get contrast between bodies.
pic2: there's no such thing as white and rosy Negros!
pic3: working onthe fields makes every white man and woman brown.
pic4: red brown color doesnt proof negro
^^^^ Nubian Prince Tawatamani..
This Nubian is lighter in skin than..
Senrosret an Egyptian Pharoah, so are those Nubians White or Negro, is Senrosret Negro??
Please help me out here, Im so confused..Bestow me with your wisdom..
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youre kidding yourselves forever it seems. If I carve a statue out of black granite it will be black, same with brown stones or white stones.
Matter of fact is that most Egyptian girls are painted in yellow-white-rosé, and some in brown.
If they were Negros, it would mean that Egyptians hated their own skincolor, it would mean they disliked Negro girls and painted them white. Obviously that doesnt make any sense, so you can conclude that they were actually NOT Negros.
The thread I linked you to shows Egyptians as they Were.
Where is your proof of these women be light skinned because they stayed out in the Sun?
Your fooling yourself Forever if you really think you came up with any new Ideas about AE(Ancient Egypt). All you have to do is search and you will find people with articles stateing that Women in the OK were painted with light color to show them as the weaker sex etc. We see in the NK women and men being Painted in the same dark Brown color. Look at these:
So what excuse Are you going to come up with now.
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I've already had countless discussions about this, and I realized that Negros will do anything to make themselves deny their real heritage and turn history into a "feel-good group therapy" for their hurt psyche. You guys are a shame for the black race, and actually you're racists against yourself because you spit on your real ancestors and deny them, and replace them with a faerytale of 'black' egypt.
(yea the 25th dynasty were actually really Nubians, but they didn't even last a century before they got kicked out again by the real Egyptians)
ANYONE who claims to see DARK BROWN IN A AFRICAN country and then claims that "Whites" can be Dark brown is utter nonsense and is only fooling themselves.
One thing I will say and this is for the Forum as a whole. I was looking for symbolisms of Color in AE and All I found is LIES. Not only do they hold up the nonsense of Horse, but they go as far as to claim that BLACK(KM) meant death and Night. They also claimed that White meant life, purity etc. People it's really scary to see how ingrained is these people and there Lies. One of them even stated what Horse states that Women were painted lighter because they stayed indoors. They all but Ignored the NK showing of women being painted Dark Brown like the men.
This bothers me greatly and shows we still have a long way to go to stoping the racist lies of the mainstream.
Gotta keep troding on.
Peace
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One thing I will say and this is for the Forum as a whole. I was looking for symbolisms of Color in AE and All I found is LIES. Not only do they hold up the nonsense of Horse, but they go as far as to claim that BLACK(KM) meant death and Night. They also claimed that White meant life, purity etc. People it's really scary to see how ingrained is these people and there Lies. One of them even
KING, please post what you think are credible archaeological links or books which give the proper explanation of color symbolism in ancient Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: I've already had countless discussions about this, and I realized that Negros will do anything to make themselves deny their real heritage and turn history into a "feel-good group therapy" for their hurt psyche. You guys are a shame for the black race, and actually you're racists against yourself because you spit on your real ancestors and deny them, and replace them with a faerytale of 'black' egypt.
(yea the 25th dynasty were actually really Nubians, but they didn't even last a century before they got kicked out again by the real Egyptians)
white egypt is the fairytale.anyway the assyrians kicked out the kushites along with the northern egyptians. southern egypt did not. kushites rule upper egypt longer then a 100 years,but i guess you racist only believe that northern egypt is the real egypt.
let's not forget that nubians have been in control of parts of upper egypt and raiding it many times before and after.the kushites of kerma in fact fully invaded upper egypt before the new kingdom.
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Well for one there is Budge's Dictionary that Wally uses alot of and even though you don't agree with everything he says you can confirm in it that Black was NOT Death or any of the sorts.
Also You should know that you never see any Egyptian wearing Black when they were painted in the death of the Pharoahs. Unless you know something I don't can you please show where AE were painted Black in there clothes when they died.
Also Lioness knowing that the Ancient Egyptians called there country KM.T(Blacks) then how can these ignorant people who post these things about the color symbolism of Egypt then turn around and BOLDLY LIE about what the Color Black means in AE. This is just another way of them trying to claim Egypt as closer to Europe by claiming they thought the same as Euros think when it comes to the Color Black. Yet you will be hardpressed to find an Egyptian wearing Black when they went to their funerals.
I've also noticed that every pic of a Napatean royal women I've seen depicts her in red, i.e. the same complexion of Kings:
kept in mind the dark red brown skin tone was symbolic during the early napatan period.not there real skin tone,THE SAME HAS EGYPT . DARK RED BROWN color is still dark skin,but it was in fact not the real skin tone. IN KUSH they started painting themselves darker again later. IN EGYPT THAT DARK RED BROWN WAS symbolic TOO JUST LIKE FOR THE YELLOW SKIN TONE FOR WOMEN,BUT THIS CHANGE . THE MIDDLE KINGDOM KINGS PAINTED THEMSELVES MORE SO IN A MORE REALISTIC COLOR.
quote:Originally posted by Please call me MIDOGBE:
I've also noticed that every pic of a Napatean royal women I've seen depicts her in red, i.e. the same complexion of Kings:
I also remember reading from an Assyrian royal text I forgot the name that Taharqa's relatives were referred as being as "black as asphalt". So what I get from the data I've seen so far is that Kushites borrowed Egyptian color symbolism and adapted it to their kingship, the royal women having a equal status to men at the time of the Napata period already (cf. Babacar SALL).
Maybe this, as well as only old fat male individuals in the OK kingdom being painted in yellow would indicate that the red/yellow dichotomy had a value originally associated with manhood/feminity that also evolved into a more abstract activeness/softness symbolism.
kept in mind that the real skin tone was not painted has much during the early napatan period. the kings and queens were painted darker in other art but later period show more of the real skin to tone that was really darker when they painted on walls.
the early napatan kings were just copying the symoblic way of paintng thier kings and queens only on walls.this is a huge example of egyptian art influence on early napatan wall paintings,that's all.
quote- The complexion of the silhouettes obeys the strict classic Egyptian pattern with the skin of the men being dark red. ____________________________
I seen taharqa of example with other skin tones,being darker on other art.but in real life he was darker even then that.
The complexion of the silhouettes obeys the strict classic Egyptian pattern with the skin of the men being dark red, and that of the women yellow. ______________________
of course dark red brown is still dark skin. of course this TheHorsenation is nuts.
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PRINCE Horemakhet WAS IN FACT darker in real life then this image. it seeems the whole Statue is in that color,makng me believe that is not his real color.
now for egypt
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Egyptian color conventions were obviously conventions and therefore not necessarily 100% true to life, especially in regards to skin color. Working outdoors or being indoors had nothing to do with it:
Interestingly enough no matter what color conventions the Egyptians used, modern reconstructions NEVER get it right. Most often these conventions allow them to make up fantasy stories with French, Brazilian and Iranian actors as opposed to Egyptians.....
It is especially funny how they feel the need to cast foreigners as Egyptians over and above locals, especially locals from Upper Egypt.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] The black color of certain women at certain periods was often symbolic in a POSITIVE sense. It symbolized power as well as origins from the South. Women painted yellow was most often symbolic and it does not mean that one was asiatic and the other African necessarily. Color in Egyptian artwork was often governed by more than one convention of symbolism and artistic liscense. Sometimes color was used to break up the overall scene and introduce contrast in an artistic manner, much like the black and white colors of the figures on Vases and frescoes from ancient Greek art, which derives from the artistic conventions of Egyptian art. Everything cannot be interpereted LITERALLY.
Example of mixed color images of females: Posts: 2688 | Registered: Jul 2004
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Painted limestone relief showing two Princesses shaking sistrums. Excavated from a chapel called the 'Weben Ateb' at the Great Temple in Amarna in 1932. Brooklyn Museum of Art, New York. Posts: 2688 | Registered: Jul 2004
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Man, What a Relief that you managed to stop by this Thread and put a smackdown on Horse's Ideas of Egypt.
Much Needed.
Seeing all those pics(Some of them New to me)was what I was trying to show Horse that Egyptians did not always show women in light skin. It was symbolic. Really though to think that people still use the "Men Worked, Women stayed inside" foolishness to justify the stealing of Egypt from Black Africans is just shameful. Google is nothing but a corrupt waste of time because they make sure people who want to look up what colors the Egyptians use for themselves, they pretty much keep them in the dark. One website even claimed that Egyptians painted themselves "Red". Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Bahahahhaaahha. But then you realize just how sad things really are when it comes to teaching about Ancient Egypt since they will coverup the FACT that Egyptians called their country KM.T(Blacks) to claim that "Black" in Egypt meant "Death" and "Night" just like how we see Black being negative in the West. Sad really.
Peace
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You Afrocentrists are so incredible stupid, I could laugh all day long if it were not for your mischievous and shameful act to hijack foreign cultures.
You tried it with Hannibal, you tried it with Cleopatra, you tried it with the Greeks, and now you try it with Egypt because it is so far back in time, it's easiest to make a negro faerytale out of it.
The whole African Mediterranean coastline was populated by Caucasians since Antiquity, from the Maghreb to Egypt to Kanaan. Negros were an exception, until the 20th century when Sub-Saharan people were coming North to benefit from the Caucasians culture and were looking for a better life than in a Bantu Mudhut.
The use of "black" for Negros wasn't common in ancient times, that term became popular in the 1960s with the civil rights movement and "black power". Negros were known as Nubians and Ethiopians, and Kemet stands for the fertile "BLACK LAND", black because of the yearly flooding of the Nile.
The black land and the red land, actually. Were there native Sioux people too? Obviously not.
i notice you have david duke and other nazi types as friends well your a white nationalist racist type thats says it all. but any way.
1.show us what the earliest people and pharoahs looks like, get pictures of as many pharoahs you can staring from dynasty 1 please and show them here. the EARLIEST PEOPLE PLEASE.
will you do this simple task?
2. Egyptian male (dark) Egyptian brown skin.....masculine, strong Black skin.....................powerful, reborn White skin....................recently deceased
Old Egyptian male (light) Yellow skin....................weak, frail
Egyptian female (light) Yellow skin....................feminine, weak Egyptian brown skin.....equal of men (Amarna period) Black skin.....................powerful, reborn
Egyptian gods Gold skin......................flesh of the gods Blue skin......................the cosmic waters, the firmament Green skin...................life (i.e., plants) Black skin.....................resurrection, sacred, holy, benevolent
so we have a problem dont we horsenation , why would a white nation make their gods skin symbolically black and in conventional terms make darker skin powerful and lighter skin have negative qualities??
3.you just got a problem that a lot of ancient greeks have subsaharan dna in them so you have to whitewash egypt and north africa to save your precious greeks from having nigger genes,
pn2 clade in greeks
but DNA dont lie unlike you
P.s they even removed the genetics section on wikipedia on greeks dna because of their insecurity. lol
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quote:You Afrocentrists are so incredible stupid, I could laugh all day long if it were not for your mischievous and shameful act to hijack foreign cultures. You tried it with Hannibal, you tried it with Cleopatra, you tried it with the Greeks, and now you try it with Egypt because it is so far back in time, it's easiest to make a negro faerytale out of it. The whole African Mediterranean coastline was populated by Caucasians since Antiquity, from the Maghreb to Egypt to Kanaan. Negros were an exception, until the 20th century when Sub-Saharan people were coming North to benefit from the Caucasians culture and were looking for a better life than in a Bantu Mudh
You mean Caucasians like these? Or These?? But Off-course they didn't all look like that and mind you these signet rings were not from one place but was found on both sides of the Meditterean, notice the Kemetic influence?
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God Bes A scene (from Herculaneum), thought to show a shrine in a grove dedicated to the Egyptian goddess Isis, who had a cult following in Greece and Rome notice the ahem brown men you say? well they are Nile valley priest conducting church service to a mostly Euro congregation http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=egyto&action=display&thread=27 For more info please click.. One Roman apparently wht and one Roman general apparently blk Lusius Quietus? not sure but someone of import.and of the Med. Lusius Quietus men dreadlocs or curls pick one,all of the MedPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: You Afrocentrists are so incredible stupid, I could laugh all day long if it were not for your mischievous and shameful act to hijack foreign cultures.
You tried it with Hannibal, you tried it with Cleopatra, you tried it with the Greeks, and now you try it with Egypt because it is so far back in time, it's easiest to make a negro faerytale out of it.
The whole African Mediterranean coastline was populated by Caucasians since Antiquity, from the Maghreb to Egypt to Kanaan. Negros were an exception, until the 20th century when Sub-Saharan people were coming North to benefit from the Caucasians culture and were looking for a better life than in a Bantu Mudhut.
The black land and the red land, actually. Were there native Sioux people too? Obviously not.
you act has the Mediterranean coastline was all of north africa.look at a map of north africa again and you will how large it is.second the first population of the north africa and north africa along the coastline was black african pal.
the coastline by the way is at the very northern tip of north africa. so you are just incorrect.
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Man, What a Relief that you managed to stop by this Thread and put a smackdown on Horse's Ideas of Egypt.
Much Needed.
Seeing all those pics(Some of them New to me)was what I was trying to show Horse that Egyptians did not always show women in light skin. It was symbolic. Really though to think that people still use the "Men Worked, Women stayed inside" foolishness to justify the stealing of Egypt from Black Africans is just shameful. Google is nothing but a corrupt waste of time because they make sure people who want to look up what colors the Egyptians use for themselves, they pretty much keep them in the dark. One website even claimed that Egyptians painted themselves "Red". Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Bahahahhaaahha. But then you realize just how sad things really are when it comes to teaching about Ancient Egypt since they will coverup the FACT that Egyptians called their country KM.T(Blacks) to claim that "Black" in Egypt meant "Death" and "Night" just like how we see Black being negative in the West. Sad really.
Peace
It is sad. these nuts do not realized there is no person that is a really red or yellow.
Alot of THE egyptian art or paintings IS symbolic,but these guys kept at it ,at it,at it,and never give up no matter what proof you show them.
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KING, kenndo, viola I challenge you to reference one scholarly source, a specific article on a website of an archaeological journal or a page number in book by a professional anthropologist or archaeologist where symbolism of various colors is discussed.
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i personally will not accept your challenge as i dont think anyone should bother debating with you as you have not contributed anything since ive been on this forum, you seem to just troll, look it up yourself
its a shame we have no moderator to kick the likes of you off
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Te only troll is you anguish, just a complete dumbass. I do not for the life of me see how you dress yourself in the morning.
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quote:Originally posted by viola75: this will be my one and only post to you.
i personally will not accept your challenge as i dont think anyone should bother debating with you as you have not contributed anything since ive been on this forum, you seem to just troll, look it up yourself
its a shame we have no moderator to kick the likes of you off
I made a reasonable request so I'm sorry but will have to take this as a loss. You have given up and rolled into a ball. It's not about me, think of all the other people viewing this thread seeing you throw in the towel.
one down, two to go
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I disagree with the vast majority of the Eurocentric content posted in your video.
"Was it a black civilization?"
It was black African in essence, although denied for the sake of politics and racist religion, the civilization deserves to be placed in its actual black context.
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@viola75 trying to pull ad-hominem crap onto me doesn't impress me at all. Try to pin your ridiculous feeble brained errands onto your fellow imbeciles, and as I wrote on your DUPE justyce4all7 youtube page: You can kiss my Johnson for mailing me this garbage:
quote: Re: Thank You...But Did You See The Leaked Photos? Very clear video, one of the clearest videos I've seen so far showing the artwork left by the ancient people of Kemet. Beautiful Auburn complexion King Tut Had. Thank You
Now Its my turn to return the favor and give you the shock of your life perhaps.
I'm not a child so I don't play games, if it wasn't worth your time checking out I wouldn't give you the invitation to see them. According to credible forensic anthropologist, the subject who is an American has the exact features of our beloved King Tut, 99.999 %percent. They already have been leaked to Zahi Hawaas and Elizabeth Daynes, they saw the photos and said: "how could this be, he's an American?"
Would you like to see them? If so out of friendship I'll send you just two samples. When we compared the photos to the reconstruction my sister nearly fainted, it was breathtaking.
You must keep them to yourself or else I can get in big trouble, a Pc genius hacked them from a secret society.
The shock of your life awaits you, and I will not charge you a cent. I'm a Truth Seeker.
You Afrocentrists are ridiculous, using double and triple Dupe Youtube accounts to downvote and upvote crap.
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@siptah the vast content in my video is not "eurocentric" - it is EGYPTIAN.
But obviously you don't like to see all the Egyptian faces that look like "evil euros". Doesn't quite support the retarded Afrocentric view now, does it? Posts: 223 | From: Germania | Registered: Sep 2010
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quote:Originally posted by TheHorsenation: @siptah the vast content in my video is not "eurocentric" - it is EGYPTIAN.
But obviously you don't like to see all the Egyptian faces that look like "evil euros".
Evil Euro, should have known it was you.
Why are you even here? You got beatdown like million times on ES. You're a sucker for punishment.
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obviously a multi-racial society, or as anguishofbeing calls it a "rainbow society" (like New York)
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@anguishofbeing nobody here won a single argument against me, but some sure do like to applaud themselves in their ignorance and hybris.
@the lioness good point. obviously there were Negros in Egypt (or Nubians), they even had whole army contingents of Nubian soldiers.
Some Pharaohs (like Huni) could be blacks as well. Others like Khafra, Ramesses II, Menkaura look very euro again.
The wallpaintings show Egyptians all without typical Negro faces, and Nubians with Negro faces. So obviously they didn't see themselves as Negros.
They knew how to paint "negro faces" but did not do so when painting themselves.
Maybe we can agree that both races were present in Egypt Some families had more interracial sex, and you get the Nubian looking Pharaohs, and others were more caucasian.
@the lioness good point. obviously there were Negros in Egypt (or Nubians), they even had whole army contingents of Nubian soldiers....
Some Pharaohs (like Huni) could be blacks as well. Others like Khafra, Ramesses II, Menkaura look very euro again.
Maybe we can agree that both races were present in Egypt Some families had more interracial sex, and you get the Nubian looking Pharaohs, and others were more caucasian.
but does your video reflect this or is it one sided?
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^ its Evil Euro aka White Nord aka debunker. Ironic since he's been debunked like a million times on ES. Dont waste your time.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: but does your video reflect this or is it one sided?
My video is a response to afrocentric madness that try to claim the whole of ancient Egypt as a Negro society, which is totally debunked by archeology and science.
It also shows that Afrocentric videos are deliberately falsifying images by making brown color black and cutting off people with white faces.
Anybody who argues that Negroes are diverse and can have 'caucasian' faces is shamefully ignoring the total absence of negroid facial features in figurines and wall-paintings displaying egyptian public.
The Egyptians obviously knew how to paint negroid faces, because that's how they show us Nubian slaves, Nubian archer figurines, Nubian visiting princesses and embassadors.
I think some Pharaohs had Nubian wives, and thus you get some Nubian looking offspring as Pharaohs in some dynasties.
Was Huni a Negro or racially mixed? Possibly, but his bust is in a too bad condition and not really a proof for anything. His grandchild Khafra looks pretty much northern european, I think he looks even very much like Yul Brynner, as funny as it is since Yul played Ramses II (I think).
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