posted Marc - Some time ago you posted material suggesting that there were Black Vikings. You were roundly abused for it, so here is your chance for retribution.
Please read the following family histories carefully, and tell me what you make of it.
According to Fairbairn's 1883, the following families use this icon as the family Crest.
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Historical reminder.
The Normans were the people who gave their name to Normandy, a region in northern France. They were descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock. Their identity emerged initially in the first half of the tenth century, and gradually evolved over succeeding centuries. The name "Normans" derives from Nortmanni (Northmen), after the Vikings who founded Normandy.
Morison
The descendents of settlers in ancient Scotland were the first to use the name morison. It was derived from the name Maurice. This comes from the Latin personal name Mauritius, which means dark. Numerous legends exist for the Origins of this great Scottish clan. One old tale holds that the Clan's Norse forbears were shipwrecked off the Isle of Lewis, and saved themselves by clinging to driftwood; hence the Clan Plant badge is driftwood. Another branch claims descent from the O'Muircheasain bards of the outer Hebrides. This latter legend is not inconsistent with a possible shipwreck of the Norsemen, as many of the bardic missionaries from Ireland were of Norse descent. Others claim the Clan is descended from King Somerled, King of the Isles, who died in 1164. Again, this is compatible with history, as Somerled was descended from the Norse Kings of Ireland and gave origin to many of the more notable Scottish Clans.
Pearson
pearson is an ancient Norman name that arrived in England after the Norman Conquest of 1066. The name pearson comes from the French given name Pierre, which is equivalent to the English Peter. A multitude of spelling variations characterize Norman surnames. Many variations occurred because Old and Middle English lacked any definite spelling rules. The introduction of Norman French to England also had a pronounced effect, as did the court languages of Latin and French. Therefore, one person was often referred to by several different spellings in a single lifetime. The various spellings include Pearson, Peerson, Pierson, Peirson and others. First found in Berwickshire where the name was derived as "son of Pier." Walter Pierson of Berwickshire rendered homage to King Edward I of England on his brief conquest of Scotland in 1296.
Norleigh
Spelling variations of this family name include: Norley, Norley, Norleigh, Norlea, Norlie, Northley, Nothleigh, Northleigh, Norleighe, Norely and many more. First found in Cheshire where they held a family seat as Lords of the Manor. The Saxon influence of English history diminished after the Battle of Hastings in 1066. The language of the courts was French for the next three centuries and the Norman ambience prevailed. But Saxon surnames survived and the family name was first referenced in the 13th century when they held a family seat at Norley in that shire.
Monson
We must look to France for the early Origins of the name monson for it is here that the name was derived from Monceaux, who was descended from the ancient lords of Maers and Monceaux, Counts of Nevers. The Count of Nevers (c. 990) had a son named Landric of Nevers who was grandfather of William de Monson who is mentioned by Wace in 1066. This same person appears as William de Moncellis in the Exeter Domesday and as William de Nevers in Norfolk in 1086. Norman surnames are characterized by a multitude of spelling variations. The frequent changes in surnames are largely due to the fact that the Old and Middle English languages lacked definite spelling rules. The introduction of Norman French to England, as well as the official court languages of Latin and French, also had pronounced influences on the spelling of surnames. Since medieval scribes and church officials recorded names as they sounded, rather than adhering to any specific spelling rules, it was common to find the same individual referred to with different spellings. The name has been spelled Monson, Munson, Mounson and others. First found in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire where the aforementioned William descendants settled. The ancestry of this distinguished Norman name can be traced to Carleton, Lincolnshire when they were Lords of the manor Antecedent to 1200. Thomas de Monceaux (d. 1345) seized the manors of Killingholm and Keleby. His son, Sir John de Monceaux (or Monson) (d. 1363) seized Burton, all in the Lincolnshire.
Haynes
The history of the name haynes begins with the Anglo-Saxon tribes of Britain. It is derived from the baptismal name for Haine. As the naming tradition grew in Europe baptismal names began to be introduced in many countries. Baptismal names were sometimes given in honor of Christian saints and other biblical figures. There are very few Christian countries in Europe that did not adopt surnames from these religious figures. The English language only became standardized in the last few centuries; therefore, spelling variations are common among early Anglo-Saxon names. As the form of the English language changed, even the spelling of literate people's names evolved. haynes has been recorded under many different variations, including Haines, Hains, Hain, Haine, Haynes, Hainson and others. First found in Lincolnshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D.
Gilham
gilham is a name of ancient Norman origin. It arrived in England with the Norman Conquest of 1066. gilham is a name that comes from the Old French given name Guillaume. The name Guillaume was modified into two forms after arriving in England: Gillham and William. Anglo-Norman names are characterized by a multitude of spelling variations. When the Normans became the ruling people of England in the 11th century, they introduced a new language into a society where the main languages of Old and later Middle English had no definite spelling rules. These languages were more often spoken than written, so they blended freely with one another. Contributing to this mixing of tongues was the fact that medieval scribes spelled words according to sound, ensuring that a person's name would appear differently in nearly every document in which it was recorded. The name has been spelled Gillham, Gillam, Gilliam, Gilham, Gillem, Gillum, Giliam, Gwillam, Gwillham, Gwilliam, Gwilham, Gyllham, Gylham and many more. First found in Essex where they had been granted lands by King William, Duke of Normandy, for their assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Dobson
dobson is a name of Anglo-Saxon origin and came from Dob, the baptismal name meaning the son of Robert. Spelling variations in names were a common occurrence before English spelling was standardized a few hundred years ago. In the Middle Ages, even the literate spelled their names differently as the English language incorporated elements of French, Latin, and other European languages. Many variations of the name dobson have been found, including Dobson, Dobsons, Dobsin, Dobsan, Dobsaun, Dobsone and many more. First found in Lancashire where they held a family seat from very ancient times.
posted Here is a version of the Crest from Alexander Deuchar's book of 1817.
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Big
The proud Norman name of big was developed in England soon after the Norman Conquest of England in 1066. It was name for a large, stout, or strong man. The name is Old Norse in origin, and stems from the Old English root bigge. Spelling variations in names were a common occurrence in the eras before English spelling was standardized a few hundred years ago. In the Middle Ages, even the literate regularly changed the spellings of their names as the English language incorporated elements of French, Latin, and other European languages. Many variations of the name big have been found, including Biggs, Bigg, Big, Bigge, Byggs, Bygges, Bigges and others. First found in Essex, where they had been granted lands by King William after the Norman Conquest in 1066.
Mike111 Member # 9361
posted A note to those who may not know, the original inhabitants of France looked like this.
Marc Washington Member # 10979
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Hi Mike. Nice images you have and some I have seen for the first time. Nice work.
Your post has two threads: many present-day European family names trace their roots to Moorish coats of arms and (2) the Vikings had black (I’d use African) roots.
(1) Where family names are concerned, this is what I have to say:
I’ve recently been involved in research into the Celts and they are, from what I have seen, related to the Moors via the Phoenicians who were the Hebrew, i.e. Semitic traders who first colonized Europe naming its cities and even the continent via Europa, the Phoenician princess.
This is all connected to family names as genetics shows, and this is reinforced by the many reliefs of Celts, that they are the same as the negrito race that over-flowed Europe from Africa and gave it its culture that was inherited by the present-day Europeans when they arrived; including many family names.
Meaning to say that the Moors provided the civilization and even many of the family names that we find in later-day Europe.
For now, the following are posters you are familiar with but are related to this discussion. The first showing
When I finish my latest research on the Celts, that would add new material, I believe, to the idea that the Moors (they are nearly one-in-the-same) provided many family names now found throughout the continent today.
All the best,
Marc
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Mike111 Member # 9361
posted Marc - another interesting Excerpt from The Dictionary of National Biography (DNB)
This is from volume 12. There is much more on the subject. It might help your research.
CONSTANTINE I (d. 879)
Son of Kenneth Macalpine, king of Scotland or Alba, the country north of the Forth and Clyde, whose chief seat was Scone, succeeded his uncle Donald in 863. His reign was one of the first when the attacks of the Normans at- tained a formidable height, threatening the destruction of the Celtic and Saxon kingdoms.
Two years after his accession Olaf the White, king of Dublin, wanted the country of the Picts, and occupied it from the Kalends of January to the feast of St. Patrick, i.e. 17 March.
According to the Pictish Chronicle, Olaf was slain by Constantine when on a raid in the following year, but the ' Annals of Ulster ' relate that he destroyed Alrhyth (Dumbarton), after a four months' siege, in 870, and retired in 871 to Dublin with two hundred ships and a great body of men, Anglo- Britons and Picts. After this he disappears from the Irish annals, so that his death may possibly have been antedated by some years in the account of the Pictish Chronicle.
Ivar, another of the Norse Vikings of Dublin, who had fought along with Olaf, died about the same time, but Scotland was still exposed to incursions from other leaders of the same race. Thorstein the Red, a son of Olaf, by Audur, the wealthy daughter of Ketill Flat- nore, attacked the northern districts, and, according to the ' Icelandic Landnamabok/ conquered ( Katanes and Suderland, Ross and Norway, and more than half Scotland.' But his kingdom, which, perhaps, was ac- quiesced in by Constantine, who had slight hold of the northern parts, was brief, and he was slain by the men of Alba by a stratagem or treachery in 875.
In the South Halfdane the Danish leader who led the northern of the two bands (Guthrum, Alfred's opponent commanded the other), into which the for- merly united host of .that people was divided, ravaged the east coast of Britain, laid waste Northumbria, and destroyed the Picts (of Galloway ?) and the people of Strathclyde.
Two years later another band of Danes, the Irish Dubhgall, or Black Strangers, having been driven from Ireland by the Fingall, or White Strangers, made a sudden descent on Scotland by way of the Clyde and, penetra- ting into the interior, defeated the Scots at Dollar, from which they passed to Inverdovat, in the parish of Forgan in Fife, where Con- stantine was slain (877). Tradition points to the long black cave, near Crail, as the scene of his death.
[Robertson's Scotland under her Early Kings ; Skene's Celtic Scotland.] M. M.
malibudusul Member # 19346
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"Strasburg is family name belonging to Moors"
Mark, what is the name of this kingdom black? There are more pictures like these? Blacks who invented the habit of the nobility to wear a wig may come from Egypt. I know all about the black kingdoms of medieval Europe.
White did not invent any culture.
cassiterides Member # 18409
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Harold FAIRHAIR (the blonde)...
First Viking King of Norway -
The kings of Scandinavia were all blonde haired and pale.
Its absolutely retarded to claim they were black men.
Keep the parody though comming...
cassiterides Member # 18409
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Knutr I, son of Sweyn Forkbeard, King of Denmark, Norway, and England (c.995-1035) "Canute the king was large of build and very strong, a most handsome man in every respect except that his nose was thin and slightly aquiline with a high ridge. He was white in complexion, had an abundance of fair hair, and eyes that surpassed those of most men both as to beauty and keenness of vision." From the Knytlinga Saga (c. 1265)
Magnus I, King of Norway,
"[O]f middling height with a straight [.b]fair countenance, blonde-haired,[/b] a good speaker and a quick thinker, strong-minded, generous with his wealth, a great warrior and very bold with weapons." From the Heimskringla of Snorri Sturluson (1179-1242)
Haraldr Hardraada, King of Norway, father of Maria and Olafr Kyrre (1015-1066) "A handsome man of distinguished bearing. He was blonde-haired, with a fair beard, and long moustaches, with one eyebrow higher than the other. He had large hands and feet, but they were well-made. He was five ells [seven and a half feet!] tall." From the Heimskringla of Snorri Sturluson (1179-1242)
Olafr Kyrre, the Peaceful, King of Norway, son of Haraldr Hardraada, father of Magnus Barefoot (died 1093) "[A] tall man, and everyone agrees that there has never been seen a fairer man or a man of nobler appearance. He had blond hair, a light complexion, and pleasing eyes, and he was well porportioned. He was taciturn for the most part, and not much of a speechmaker, though he was good company after drink." From the Morkinskinna chronicle
WHY ARE ALL THE VIKING KINGS DESCRIBED AS BLONDE HAIRED AND WHITE????
I thought you claimed they were black?
MelaninKing Member # 17444
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^ Too bad fr you that we have already proven that Africans can bare "White, Blond/Red haired" offspring. They are called, Albinos.
malibudusul Member # 19346
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King Kenneth Dubh – Black King of Scotland
cassiterides Member # 18409
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''Too bad fr you that we have already proven that Africans can bare "White, Blond/Red haired" offspring. They are called, Albinos.'' =========
Negroid albinos don't have straight hair, thin noses or Caucasoid facial features.
Negroid albinos are hideous sights...they look nothing like white people.
Please compare.
Negroid albino -
white guy
Look nothing alike.
cassiterides Member # 18409
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: King Kenneth Dubh – Black King of Scotland
Nope he wasn't.
That is a MODERN bust of a black guy which was put on an afrocentric website, it has no connection to Kenneth.
The same is in a hundred years if you make a head bust of Obama, and portray him as a white man.
IronLion Member # 16412
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: King Kenneth Dubh – Black King of Scotland
“The evidence indicates that Blacks in ancient times came to Britian from Spain, Felix Arabia, Egypt, Ethiopia, West Africa, India, Persia and what is today named Denmark. These Negroes were builders, scientists, masters of ocean travel and inventors of letters, according to Higgins, they built Stonehende, Gerald Massey agrees pg 11 Book of The Beginnings.”
Those albinos father is not black, but mixed race like most Brazilians. People from Brazil are mongrels and a mix of about everything.
Those children have straight hair obviously because they are mixed race, not negroid.
In sharp contrast pure blooded negroids have hair like this -
You won't though find an afrocentric on this forum who admits black people only have afros. Since they all hate afro hair and crave straight hair like whites they invent this fantasy that black people are naturally straight haired.
Simple Girl Member # 16578
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The fact is, two black parents can have albino children, and those children can in fact have black children. If the white people of Europe were albinos, they should be having black children all over the place. But they're not.
This is just some more ridiculous nonsense to try and totally claim western history and culture. These people are extremely ashamed of their own race and culture. They want to identify with something that they perceive as being greater than their own race and culture. It's all very simply obvious. It is kind of funny to read some of this stuff though.lol
Marc Washington Member # 10979
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[Someone writes]: Read the DM article.
Those albinos father is not black, but mixed race like most Brazilians.
[Marc writes] Like Simple Girl implies, there is no mention in the article about the father being non-black. Once it calls the mother black; once calls mother and father Afro-Brazilians; once it states he dark and the other mention is that he is black.
All together they are described as dark or black.
See additional comment on the web page at the third response on the right.
Below the web page is the entire article on the albino kids - no mention of a mixed Brazilian father. Read it for yourself.
Meet the black Brazilian mother who has three white children
Parents Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade and her partner Joao are dark-skinned Afro-Brazilians, yet three of their five children are albinos.
Meet the black Brazilian mother who has three white children
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:00 AM on 3rd September 2009
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A black mother has baffled scientists after giving birth to three albino children.
Parents Rosemere Fernandes de Andrade and her partner Joao are dark-skinned Afro-Brazilians, yet three of their five children are albinos. family
Albino siblings Esthefany Caroline (l), Ruth Caroline (2nd l), Kauan (c) pose with their mother Rosemere Fernandes and their brothers at home in Brazil
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Albino siblings Esthefany Caroline (l) and Kauan Fernandes (r) play with their cousin Taina (c) outside their home
Genetics professor Valdir Balbino of the Federal University of Pernambuco said this is a very rare occurrence considering the parents and two other children are black.
Both parents must carry the albinism gene in order to produce a child with albinism. Where both parents are carriers of the albinism gene, there is a one in four chance that a child will be born with the condition.
The family live in the slum of Olinda in north-east Brazil and the children have faced taunts by fellow pupils at their school.
The condition affects around one in 17,000 people. Those with albiinism do not produce enough melanin pigment, which gives colour to the skin, hair and eyes and protects the body from the sun's rays.
They often suffer from extreme short-sightedness and a severe sensitivity to light. Enlarge albino siblings
The albino siblings must cover up to protect their sensitive skin from the sun
Mrs Fernandes, 27,says she struggles to pay the medical bills for daughters Ruth, 10, and Esthefany, eight, as well as five-year-old son Kauan.
She must also buy expensive sun-block and extra clothing to protect their skin.
The mother of five has also been challenged by security guards who insisted she could not be the children's mother.
Mrs Fernandes, of Olinda, said: 'I'm afraid of skin cancer because I can't afford the protection they need.'
A spokesman from Albinism Fellowship said: 'It can be hard for parents when they are faced with a baby who is much fairer than either parent.
'In most cases children with albinism are born to parents who have no previous experience of the condition. From the first day of their new baby's life, the parents often find themselves on a steep learning curve.'
For more information and support for those affected by the condition visit Albinism.org.uk Enlarge Albino siblings
Albino sibling Kauan Fernandes (r), plays next his mother Rosemere Fernandes and his sister Rebeca. His mother struggles to pay their medical bills
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Marc,carry on-don't stop. Your detractors are in denial and/or delusion.Don't let their yelping detract you. These are the same people who still insist AE was Caucasoid,which IMHO invalidates everything they have to say.
malibudusul Member # 19346
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Mar, what is the name of the kingdom black germany? you know?
In my school books they only talk about the kingdoms of the white invaders: Kingdom of the Franks ... Making it appear that the Middle Ages in Europe was all white.
I would like to see many images of blacks from the Middle Ages
Mike111 Member # 9361
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quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: The fact is, two black parents can have albino children, and those children can in fact have black children. If the white people of Europe were albinos, they should be having black children all over the place. But they're not.
This is just some more ridiculous nonsense to try and totally claim western history and culture. These people are extremely ashamed of their own race and culture. They want to identify with something that they perceive as being greater than their own race and culture. It's all very simply obvious. It is kind of funny to read some of this stuff though.lol
As is so typical, Albinos attempt to use ignorance and lies to hide their nature.
TWO ALBINOS CAN "ONLY" PRODUCE "ANOTHER" ALBINO!
However, when an Albino and a "NORMAL" human mate, the result is a "MULATTO".
Ancient Europe was FULL of mulattoes!
When a MULATTO and an Albino mate, the result is a "LIGHTER" mulatto. The current era invasions of Albino Germanics, Slavs, and Turks, produced this "LIGHTENING" effect.
Mike111 Member # 9361
posted ^ANCIENT EUROPEAN MULATTOES. .
Modern European (who is Still almost pure Albino).
Modern European Mulatto.
Mike111 Member # 9361
posted ^They are both "French".
malibudusul Member # 19346
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: King Kenneth Dubh – Black King of Scotland
“The evidence indicates that Blacks in ancient times came to Britian from Spain, Felix Arabia, Egypt, Ethiopia, West Africa, India, Persia and what is today named Denmark. These Negroes were builders, scientists, masters of ocean travel and inventors of letters, according to Higgins, they built Stonehende, Gerald Massey agrees pg 11 Book of The Beginnings.”
See Ancient and Modern Britons- MacRitchie pg 2
I think they were native to Europe or not?
malibudusul Member # 19346
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perhaps Gerald Massey thought they came from africa because he did not know that blacks were the original inhabitants of Europe
IronLion Member # 16412
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^Yes they are native to Europe. But they came from Africa firstly because Africa is the mother of all peoples on earth. Humans evolved in Africa, and then left....
So it is more apt to call them the aboriginal or the first peoples of Europe.
Muurs are the aboriginal Europeans.
Prehistoric art, Spain:
malibudusul Member # 19346
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Yes. But my question is Blacks in Britain came from Spain, Felix Arabia, Egypt, Ethiopia, West Africa, India, Persia and what is today named Denmark or were natives? understand my question?
IronLion Member # 16412
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Yes they did. But they were the first people in Britain.
Again, yes, the Muurs in Britain came in waves from Africa into Spain then to Britain.
Many thousand years later, the pink-red albinos appeared.
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