Very puzzling to me if the Egyptians were Caucasian is the lack of facial hair even on the mummies.
Facial hair is what we find commonly on European mummies finds throughout the world.
Also most Caucasian civilizations depict their Gods with facial hair and certainly don't paint them Black.
It is simply a ubiquitous feature found in people of Trans-Caucasian origin - the beard.
Typical God:
Typical mummy with facial hair:
Why are Egyptian mummies beardless which reminds me more of Black Africans than anyone else.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
they shaved their heads also
-also this is a straw man post. Who here is arguing white egypt?
Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
Afrocentrists think in twos. If you aint pushing the Black Egypt theory than you must be promoting a white one. This really demonstrates that the whole Afrocentric movement is reactionary to white dominance and nearly exclusive to the American negro, American experience; that is to say, the dichotomous -- it is either black or white -- mindset.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ I have seen threads from you implying exactly that - White Egypt.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lion: they shaved their heads also
-also this is a straw man post. Who here is arguing white egypt?
not even Asiatic Egypt either - or Eurasian, Berber or anything else <- all of whom proudly displayed beards.
Doesn't anyone find this a bit peculiar? Why no beards? Almost all Indo-European civlizations proudly shows beards.
You would think someone would have a beard. Perhaps there's no beard because it didn't grow in well? Because perhaps it wasn't a common trait amongst Egyptians?
I think it is actually a rather intriguing question - why no beard?
They wear beards all the time now.
Posted by Morpheus (Member # 16203) on :
Fraud_Buster, you're a new poster to me. If the Ancient Egyptians were not Black what were they and what is your primary evidence for what they were?
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
post up the quote.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I have seen threads from you implying exactly that - White Egypt.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Buster: Ozzy my boy, you're assuming all kind of childish thoughts.
Egyptians were trendsetters and the first people to start many unique inventions and different ways of doing things. Black Africans on the other hand were the least inventive and were mostly followers of what others invented.
Egyptians were the "ROM" or the men among boys in the world. The enslaved tons of people, , including many "Black Africans" and we do have the pictures to prove it.
As far as facial hair, they shaved their beards, because they had the right tools and knew that in the hot climate of Egypt, it was better to be clean shaven. Since, they were fake beards, it indicates that as a people, they had the ability to grow beards as opposed to "Most Negros" who are never shown with real or fake beards, unless they were "Egyptianized".
Keep up the Charade, but it will do you no good, Ancient Egypt was Never a Black African Nation and Never will be One!!
You mean everyone shaved their beards? Why would all of them do that? None of them today do that? And what is this stupidity about having the right tools. Are you saying the Persian didn't have iron tools or something stupid like that. How idiotic of a statement. You haven't explained it one bit. Why no Beard? All other Indo-European and Semitic cultures shows bearded men.
Most Muslims grow their beard quite well. Why wouldn't they have distinguished themselves more from Negroes? If they were like Arabs then why not copy them at least a bit? You would think a few dynasties would have beards. Full grown Greek like beards especially after meeting Greeks, Libyans, and Asiatics.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Where are the beards? I am actually really curious. Why the hell didn't they have a full grown beards like European and Asiatic people?
Good grief, the Berbers were just West of them and they had beards.
Why no beards on any of the mummies? It is just weird.
You would expect to find at least a few. None of this trend setting crap from Fraudulant. If they thought they were White, Asiatic, or Berber then they would of had a few of them that simply would have displayed a beard.
Rather they seemed to clearly note the beards of non-African people. As for fake beards, I have never seen a full bearded depiction of an Egyptian.
They are all beardless like Negroes with just the gotee.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Confirming Truth: post up the quote.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I have seen threads from you implying exactly that - White Egypt.
From Gigantic in regards to Angeline Joline playing Cleopetra:
"She has the right phoenotype to play the role. They could not have chosen a better actress that resembles Cleopatra."
Strange since in reality Cleaopetra was probably more White than Angeline Joline.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
I have decided this is a good question "why no beards" Not tha5t this authoritative but here's what touregypt says:
Facial hair, specifically beards, is a more fascinating topic than many may realize. It is an enigma in later periods, with considerable religious connotations.
Facial hair does have an uneven history in Egypt, though perhaps not so much as in our modern world. Clearly, during the Predynastic period, as well as during the formative early years of historic Egypt, beards were favored by men. We see this in the images from the Narmer palette, for example. We find officials and rulers of the Old Kingdom, such as Prince Rahotep, depicted with moustaches, and full beards are widely shown on mummy masks of the First Intermediate Period and the Middle Kingdom, such as that of the 12th Dynasty individual named Ankhef. Nevertheless, early in the Dynastic period, shaving seems to have become fashionable, at least amongst the noble elements of society. Later, shaving spread to the rest of the population, which had a rather understandable tendency to follow the customs of higher society. In fact, it became a mark of poor social status not to shave, except when in mourning or about to depart on an expedition abroad.
The earliest shaving implements appear to have been sharp stone blades usually set in a wooden handle. In later periods fine copper razors, and from the Middle Kingdom onwards, bronze, trapezium-shaped razors were used. This evidently also produced some of the worlds first members of the barber profession, who visited the homes of the aristocracy but attended to common customers out of doors. We find a depiction of a barber in tomb scenes such as that of Userhet (TT56) on the West Bank at Thebes (modern Luxor) located in the Tombs of the Nobles, where military recruits are receiving haircuts, and from ancient Egyptian literature. The scene in the tomb of Userhet depicts a barber attending to his clients who sit on a bench beneath the shade of a spreading sycamore fig, while other young men wait in a row, seated on folding chairs and tripods.
Yet there remains a mystery associated with beards, evident in art and religion. Despite the apparent low esteem of facial hair during life, the beard was considered to be a divine attribute of the gods, whose closely plaited beards were "like lapis lazuli". In accordance with this religious formula, the pharaoh would express his status as a living god by wearing a false beard secured by a cord on certain occasions. Such beards were usually wider toward the bottom, as in the triad statues of Menkaura. So prevalent was this type of beard in formal royal portraiture, that even Queen Hatshepsut is depicted wearing a false beard.
In death, the kings were frequently portrayed wearing the divine Osird form of the beard, which was a long, narrow beard of several strands plaited like a pigtail with the end jutting forward, as on the gold mask of Tutankhamun. Even deceased non-royal men were shown with short, tuft-like beards. However, this is not a clear cut indication, for the dead king was not always presented with this type of beard.
Such beards in ancient Egyptian art, regardless of their context, always appear to represent divine nature, though certainly not all male gods wore such beards.
Given the divine nature of beards, one question that begs answering is why they lost popularity early in Egyptian history. Certain types of beards resembling those of the gods and the false beards of the living king may have been prohibited, or simply not worn out of reverence. However, more likely, the reason is the ancient Egyptian's obsession with order, neatness and hygiene. Throughout ancient Egyptian history the poorest of the poor appear to have continued wearing beards, and it is even likely that some others wore them regularly. So there was apparently legal restrictions against all beards.
Also, and very interestingly outside of a religious context, beards within Egyptian art usually indicate the foreign nature of an individual. The enemies of ancient Egypt are frequently depicted with beards. Given the ancient Egyptian's distain for foreigners, this may explain some of the popularity of shaving, as well as the reason why officials sometimes did not shave when traveling abroad.
To sum things up, beards are a very important aspect of ancient Egyptian art, providing us with clues as to the nature of an individual, whether royal or common, foreign or Egyptian, god or human and depending on the type of beard, whether the king is depicted alive or dead.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ I see common Egyptian Gotee and not full beards. In fact I don't know if I have ever seen an Egyptian relief with a full beard.
I am not saying Africans don't have beards. I am just noting art styles. Every caucasian civilization has full beards - from Ear to Ear beards.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I see common Egyptian Gotee and not full beards. In fact I don't know if I have ever seen an Egyptian relief with a full beard.
I am not saying Africans don't have beards. I am just noting art styles. Every caucasian civilization has full beards - from Ear to Ear beards.
