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It's trully mind boggling to see what other fellow black Africans haved achieved in the ancient world.
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So True, Dr. Ben says that it would take 40 yrs for a student Stone Mason in the Craft of temple constuction to complete his education. That is incredible...
Anyway more on the Temple of Waset...
The temple complex at Karnak, modern Luxor, in ancient days called Waset, was known as "Ipet-Isut" in the ancient days, which means "The Most Select of Places". It consist of three different temple complexes: sacred to Amun, Mut and Khonsu, the triad of Waset (Gr: Thebes). These three complexes are all situated within the main precinct of Amun and here is also where the temple of Opet and a small temple to Ptah can be found. The total ground covers ca 100 ha (247 acres). It can best be understood as a series of temples built over a long time period by different rulers. To the north lies the temple of Montu, the earlier local god of Waset. The word Waset means "mace" which points at the power position once held by this ancient city and the two temples of Karnak (Ipet-Isut) and of Luxor (Ipet-Resut) whas what made out this combined place of power. The name of Thebes was given to Waset by the Greeks, being the same as their own city of Thebes. Homer described it as " City of the Hundred Gates". At its heyday, when it had ownership of great amounts of land, the number of employers here are said to be over 80.00, including priests, other temple servants, gardeners, craftsmen etc.
One cannot mention Karnak without also give some attention to the temple of Luxor, the "Ipet-Resut" (meaning Southern Sanctuary) as the ancient name was. It was situated some 1.5 km to the south and complemented the Karnak complex by being the residence of "Amun-in-his-Southern Sanctuary" and by being the goal for the great Opet Festival held once a year, with Amun traveling in his bark from Karnak to Ipet-Resut. Also Khonsu was travelling in procession to Ipet-Resut at the New Years celebrations.
When kings at Waset increased their power during the Middle Kingdom, the temples at Karnak began to be built to honor the god Amun and for two thousand years more, they were to be destroyed, rebuilt, extended and adorned. Even though the place is badly ruined today, it takes your breath as well as your time to go through it all. The main precinct of Amun also included the small temple to Khonsu and many other smaller temples and shrines to different deities. There is also the sacred lake. To the south is the precinct of Mut, Amun´s consort at Waset, and to the north, just inside the precinct of Amun, is a small temple dedicated to Path, Sekhmet and Nefertem, while directly outside lies the precinct of Montu, the falcon-headed god of war, whom Amun replaced during the late 11th Dynasty .
Those who lived at Ipet Isut were priests; a hem-netjer or Waeb priests, there were gardeners, butchers, temple dancers and singers, artisans and stone mason. There were also many scribes, and all kinds of administrators and overseers. Also farmers belonged to the temple, with grounds to cultivate. Building projects were ongoing most of the time and the calendar was filled with festival days for the gods as well as daily worship and the courts were bustling with people coming to leave prayers and ask advice of the Oracle. For all practicalities it was a town of itself.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Jari, a quick query for you.
You see the ruins of the great temples of Kemit, still standing 3000 years on.
Where are the ruins of the Solomon temple in Jerusalem, supposedly 1500 years later on?
What happened to the fallen stones?
Lion!
my conclusion is either built of mud brick, demolished by Asiatics and lets not forget the enviroment of Egypt helps preserve the materials.
Most of the Temples were preserved in upper Egypt or the desert.
But its obvious the Egyptians built better architecture than the Hebrews
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The Solomonic temple was supposedly built with ornate stones carved by the sidonites. It supposedly had sphinx figures as well as huge courtyards.
Up to this day, unlike the case of Kemit which shares a similar topography and climate as Israel, no a shred of the Solomonic temple has been found.
It's like it vanished into the thin or it was never there in the first place.
Huge structures like ancient temples do not just vanish without a trace. Your pictures above are a great example.
After 3000 years we still find convincing living evidence of the Kemitian temples.
Did the Solomonic temple, supposedly so vaunted and celebrated, vanish into the thin air?
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The Solomonic temple was supposedly built with ornate stones carved by the sidonites. It supposedly had sphinx figures as well as huge courtyards.
Up to this day, unlike the case of Kemit which shares a similar topography and climate as Israel, no a shred of the Solomonic temple has been found.
It's like it vanished into the thin or it was never there in the first place.
Huge structures like ancient temples do not just vanish without a trace. Your pictures above are a great example.
After 3000 years we still find convincing living evidence of the Kemitian temples.
Did the Solomonic temple, supposedly so vaunted and celebrated, vanish into the thin air?
Why are you asking me this, are you saying King Solomon did not exist?
1) The Climate in Canaan or Israel is NOT the same as say Upper Egypt and the Western Desert where most of the best preserved Temples are. The Sands of Egypt played a part in preserving the Temples. They did not just sit around exposed to the elements for thousands of years. Most of them were buried in sand and dug up.
2)The Land of Israel has been as still is a hot bed of conquering nations and people that tend to destroy and rebuild older structures, unlike Egypt. The Temple was destoyed when the Hebrew Kingdom was destoyed the first time and obviously after the second and third time.
The temple built by Herod was a large magnificent structure now that remains is a wall. This proves that just becuase a structure is large does not mean it will be preserved. For example look at the other 7 wonders of the Greek World. Look at the Library of Alexandria..etc. All gone as you say "vanished into thin air" using you logic the Hanging Gardens, the Library at Alexandia, the Land of Babylon..etc. Vanished into thin air.
Also is not the Temple Herod build supposed to have been built on the ruins of the 1st temple?
So again what is the point of these questions? Do you believe Solomon did not exist or what.
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All that remains of the original ancient famed city of Babylon today is a mound, or tell, of broken mud-brick buildings and debris in the fertile Mesopotamian plain between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, in Iraq:
But there are no ruins of the temple rebuilt by Herod, neither is there any ruins of the first temple built by Solomon.
How can all the other historical ruins exist, yet the marvellous temple of God, built for the glorification of "god" vanishes without a trace?
If Amon can keep his temple still standing, if Shiva can keep his temple protected, even Baal and Apedemek, why did not Jehova, why could he not protect his temple, or at least leave us the ruins...
I cannot believe in simple tales for the heck of conformity...
I want to know how the temple of Solomon vanished as if it were never really built.
Was it ever really built? Look at again at the mighty ruins of the Temple of Waset and then answer???
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All that remains of the original ancient famed city of Babylon today is a mound, or tell, of broken mud-brick buildings and debris in the fertile Mesopotamian plain between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, in Iraq:
But there are no ruins of the temple rebuilt by Herod, neither is there any ruins of the first temple built by Solomon.
How can all the other historical ruins exist, yet the marvellous temple of God, built for the glorification of "god" vanishes without a trace?
If Amon can keep his temple still standing, if Shiva can keep his temple protected, even Baal and Apedemek, why did not Jehova, why could he not protect his temple, or at least leave us the ruins...
I cannot believe in simple tales for the heck of conformity...
I want to know how the temple of Solomon vanished as if it were never really built.
Was it ever really built? Look at again at the mighty ruins of the Temple of Waset and then answer???
Are you serious, why are you polluting my thread with this non sense.
Again you seem to be playing stupid ignoring the fact the Jerusalem was conquered many times and its building demolished due to it being a sacred site.
Here is the Ruins of the Jewish Temple by Herod.
As you can see Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on the ruins of Solomon's Temple.
Much of the Mount's early history is synonymous with events pertaining to the Temple itself. After the destruction of Solomon’s Temple by Nebuchadnezzar II, construction of the Second Temple began under Cyrus in around 538 BCE, and completed in 516 BCE. Evidence of a Hasmonean expansion of the Temple Mount has been recovered by archaeologist Leen Ritmeyer. Around 19 BCE, Herod the Great further expanded the Mount and rebuilt the temple. The ambitious project, which involved the employment of 10,000 workers,[9] more than doubled the size of Temple Mount to approximately 36 acres (150,000 m2). Herod leveled the area by cutting away rock on the northwest side and raising the sloping ground to the south. He achieved this by constructing huge buttress walls and vaults, filling the necessary sections with earth and rubble.[10] In addition to restoration of the Temple, its courtyards, and porticoes, Herod also built Antonia Fortress abutting the northwestern corner of the Temple Mount, and a rainwater reservoir, Birket Israel, in the northeast. As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War, the fortress was destroyed by Roman emperor Vespasian, in 70 CE, under the command of his son and imperial heir, Titus. [edit] Middle Roman period Stones from the walls of the Temple Mount thrown onto the street by Roman soldiers in 70 CE
The city of Aelia Capitolina was built in 130 CE by the emperor Hadrian, and occupied by a Roman colony on the site of Jerusalem, which was still in ruins from the First Jewish Revolt in 70 CE.
Aelia came from Hadrian's nomen gentile, Aelius, while Capitolina meant that the new city was dedicated to Jupiter Capitolinus, to whom a temple was built on the site of the former second Jewish temple, the Temple Mount.[11]
Hadrian had intended the construction of the new city as a gift to the Jews, but since he had constructed a giant statue of himself in front of the Temple of Jupiter and the Temple of Jupiter had a huge statue of Jupiter inside of it, there were now two enormous graven images on the Temple Mount. It was also the normal practice of the adherents of the Hellenic religion to sacrifice pigs before their deities. In addition to this, Hadrian issued a decree prohibiting the practice of circumcision. These three factors, the graven images, the sacrifice of pigs before the altar, and the prohibition of circumcision, constituted for non-Hellenized radical Zealot Jews a new abomination of desolation, and thus Bar Kochba launched the Third Jewish Revolt. After the Third Jewish Revolt failed, all Jews were forbidden on pain of death from entering the city. [edit] Late Roman period
About 325 it is believed that Constantine's mother, St. Helena, built a small church on the Mount in the 4th century, calling it the Church of St. Cyrus and St. John, later on enlarged and called the Church of the Holy Wisdom. The church was later destroyed and on its ruins the Dome of the Rock was built.[12] Since it is known that Helena ordered the Temple of Venus to the west of the Temple Mount to be torn down to construct the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, presumably she also ordered the Temple of Jupiter on the Temple Mount to be torn down to construct the Church of St. Cyrus and St. John.
In 363, Emperor Julian II, on his way to engage Persia, stopped at the ruins of the Second Temple in Jerusalem. In keeping with his effort to foster religions other than Christianity, Julian ordered the Temple rebuilt, but ultimately his vision failed. [edit] Byzantine period
Archaeological evidence in the form of an elaborate mosaic floor similar to the one in the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem and multiple fragments of an elaborate marble Templom (chancel screen) prove that an elaborate Byzantine church or monastery stood on the Temple Mount in Byzantine times, presumably the aforementioned Holy Wisdom Church.[13] [edit] Sassanid vassal state period
In 610, the Sassanid Empire drove the Byzantine Empire out of the Middle East, giving the Jews control of Jerusalem for the first time in centuries. The new rulers soon ordered the restart of animal sacrifice for the first time since the time of Bar Kochba. Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back a few years later, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish temple edifice and turned it into a garbage dump,[14] which is what it was when the Caliph Omar took the city in the 630s. [edit] Muslim period Southwest qanatir of the Temple Mount A model of the Haram-al-Sharif made in 1879 by Conrad Schlick. The model can be seen in the Bijbels Museum in Amsterdam
Caliph Omar ordered a mosque to be constructed at the southeast corner, facing Mecca, near which the al-Aqsa Mosque was built 78 years later. The original building is now known to have been wooden and to have been constructed on the site of a Byzantine church with an elaborate mosaic floor. (The Persian conquest that immediately preceded the Arab conquest makes it uncertain who destroyed the church.)[13]
In 691 an octagonal Muslim building topped by a dome was built by the Caliph Abd al Malik around the rock, for political reasons, in violation of the Caliph Omar's teachings. The shrine became known as the Dome of the Rock (Qubbat as-Sakhra قبة الصخرة). The dome itself was covered in gold in 1920. In 715 the Umayyads led by the Caliph al-Walid I, rebuilt the Temple's nearby Chanuyos into a mosque (see illustrations and detailed drawing) which they named al-Masjid al-Aqsa المسجد الأقصى, the al-Aqsa Mosque or in translation "the furthest mosque", corresponding to the Muslim belief of Muhammad's miraculous nocturnal journey as recounted in the Quran and hadith. The term al-Haram al-Sharif الحرم الشريف (the Noble Sanctuary) refers to the whole area that surrounds that Rock as was called later by the Mamluks and Ottomans.[15]
The structures have been ruined or destroyed several times in earthquakes;[citation needed] the current version dates from the first half of the 11th century. For Muslims, the importance of the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa Mosque makes Jerusalem the third-holiest city, after Mecca and Medina. The mosque and shrine are currently administered by a Waqf (an Islamic trust). [edit] Ottoman period
In 1867, a team from the Royal Engineers, led by Lieutenant Charles Warren (later the London police commissioner of Jack the Ripper fame) and financed by the Palestine Exploration Fund (P.E.F.), discovered a series of tunnels beneath Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, some of which were directly underneath the headquarters of the Knights Templar. Various small artifacts were found which indicated that Templars had used some of the tunnels, though it is unclear who exactly first dug them. Some of the ruins which Warren discovered came from centuries earlier, and other tunnels which his team discovered had evidently been used for a water system, as they led to a series of cisterns.[16][17] [edit]
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Fake wall Jari... It was built as part of the walls of a Roman Military Fort by Herod. It was not the expanded Solomonic Temple.
Now Jari, read this:
The Strange Story of the Fake Temple
"There is absolute proof that the present site of the Jewish "Wailing Wall" in Jerusalem is NOT any part of the Temple that existed in the time of Herod and Jesus. In fact, that particular location that the Jewish authorities have accepted represents the Western Wall of an early Roman fortress (finally built and enlarged by Herod the Great). King Herod called it Fort Antonia, after the famous Mark Anthony who lived at the end of the first century before Christ.
It was formerly called the Baris in the proceeding hundred years and it finally became known as the Praetorium in the New Testament period (the central military edifice in Jerusalem where the commanding general of a Legion of troops had his headquarters). This rectangular type of building clearly resembles most permanent military camps that the Romans constructed throughout the Empire to house their Legions
Indeed, when the Bordeaux Pilgrim visited Jerusalem in 333 C.E., he looked east from an area in front of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre (then in its final stages of being built) and said he saw this Praetorium directly eastward with its walls (he mentioned "walls" in the plural – meaning the southern and western walls) firmly entrenched in the bottom of the Tyropoeon Valley. This central valley of Jerusalem (the Valley of the Cheesemakers) separated the eastern mountain ridge of the city (the original Mount Zion of the Bible) from the larger and more extensive western ridge...."
So the fake wall is dismissed as just another fake story.
So tell me again my Christian believing brother, you see the ruins of the Temple of the Kemitic God Ausar at Waset, show me the temple of Hebrew God, Jehova in Jerusalem..., show me the ruins of his temple since you claim it was destroyed...
Where was it???
I wait...
But this one is fake
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"Solomon inaugurates it with prayer and sacrifice, and even invites non — Jews to come and pray there. He urges God to pay particular heed to their prayers: "Thus all the peoples of the earth will know Your name and revere You, as does Your people Israel; and they will recognize that Your name is attached to this House that I have built" (I Kings 8:43)..."
And it all vanished without a trace! Waaahooo! Yet you can see the living ruins of Waset Temple of Amon.
Was Solomon real? If so where is his greatest material legacy that was to last forever as a praise to Jehova???
Jari, please answer..., how could this magnificient edifice barely vanish without trace barely 2000 years later...
Yet the ruins of Waset still stands 3,000 years after repeated conquest, and pillage of Kemit by all conquerors that starting with the Persians, Assyrians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Albanians, British and French...
Jari, how could Solomon/Herod temple just disappear into the thin air leaving only a fake western wall as testimony?
If they destroyed it where is the ruins? Where did they carry the pillars? Who was that vandal? Show me the records of that very vandalism?
Jari I wait...
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