I'm not talking about black people who may have been in Europe or Greece before Caucasians. I'm talking about whenever the first Caucasians came into being these regions.
Please put into order the following list so that earliest Caucasian presence in each areas is listed first and then later and progressively in historical to the last.
random order:
1. Turkey 2. Persia 3. Africa 4. Greece 5. Caucasus, Russia + Eastern Europe 6. Western Europe 7. Spain 8. Italy 9. Nordic countries 10.Middle East
feel free to customize the region names, add or subtract
It seems like the origin of the term "Caucasian" is a little dubious. ________________________________
The concept of a Caucasian race or Varietas Caucasia was developed around 1800 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German scientist and early anthropologist. Blumenbach named it after the peoples of the Caucasus (from the Caucasus region), whom he considered to be the archetype for the grouping.He based his classification of the Caucasian race primarily on craniology. Blumenbach wrote:
"Caucasian variety—I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (birth place) of mankind."
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The above originator of the term "Caucasian" does not seem to have good reasoning as per origins. That's why I'm posting this question. But we can still use the term as referring to a certain common physical type or "Caucasoid" because it is now an accepted term even though it may be questioned if this type originates in the Caucus mountains.
What is the directional line of migration from starting point to all these other areas?
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
LOL, LOL, LOL, the first Caucasian was Adam. I mean what else.
Seriously speaking though--before the question could be answered one has to define "Caucasian"--and that itself is problematic. And there's the question of approach: do you go with just cranial criteria or do you go fully osteopathic(i.e. using total body measurements, etc.)?
Yet--as they say with porn--when I see a white I know what I am looking at....
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The origin of whites lie in the Caves of the Caucasus mountains. This is why Europeans in the Quran are called the People of the Cave.
It was from here that whites came from the bowels of the earth after the tectonic events of 2000 BC. By 1300BC, the Caucasians, led by the Hittites began to advance from Anatolia into Europe and the Middle East.
Between 1500-500 BC, Caucasians began to exterminate Blacks in Europe, North Africa, India and much of the Middle East and replace them.
The Egyptians called these people the People of the Sea.
In conclusion the original home of the Caucasians was the caves of the Caucasus mountains. They were let out of the caves by tectonic events that weakend Black civilizations after 1500BC to such an extent as to make the Black civilizations in Europe and elsewhere, open for invasion and genocide.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Caucasians definitely didn't originate in Southern Europe or the British Isles
Caucasians definitely didn't originate in the Middle East
Kushites of Sumer and Akkad
King Gudea of Sumer
Controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.
To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.
As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.
Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.
A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.
Akkadian
A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians.
Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.
Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar (Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.
The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.
Oppert knew Rawlinson had used African languages to decipher cuneiform writing. But he did not compare the Sumerian to African languages, probably, due to the fact that he knew they were related given Rawlinson's earlier research.
It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.
Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.
There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian text that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves şalmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin. Eventhough de LaCouperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.
In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.
The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.
Gutian on the left/Sumerian on the right
To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.
There was no Caucasian origin here.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
In fact Mesopotamia was full of Blacks. Prior to the Caucasians leaving their caves.
Nope. Caucasian origin was not here.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Caucasians did not originate in Persia.
Nope not here
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Nope not Europe
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The West Caucasus may be called the caver’s paradise. In the region there are 4 caves deeper than 1.5 kilometres. These caves are Krubera-Voronya cave (-2191 m), the cave system of Ilyuziya-Mezhonogo-Snezhnaya (-1753 m), the cave Sarma (-1543 m) and the cave of V. Pantyukhin (-1508 m). All these caves are within the top ten deepest caves in the world.
It was in these caves that the Caucasians originated.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The first homo sapien sapiens to settle Western Eurasia were the Cro-Magnon people. The Cro-Magnon people were probably the San people.
It was these Cro-Magnon people who spread the Aurignacian civilization from Spain to the Caucasus mountains.
Hottentot
As I mentioned earlier the Bushman created much of the early civilization of Eurasia. They left us numerous figurines showing their type.
Venus Figurines
The Bushman continue to carry this ancient form.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The Caves of Europe, were seen as temples by the ancient Blacks of Europe. here they congregated and used them like temples.
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. In the caves these Blacks recorded their history and worshiped their gods.
The last Ice Age in Europe came suddenly. The Aurignacians probably sought santuary in their caves/temples.
. Since the last Ice Age came suddenly the Blacks were trapped in the caves. In darkness.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The first Europeans were definitely Black when they entered the Caucasus Caves.
In the caves due to the absence of sunlight the Aurignacians lost the melanin in their skin. The melanin left the skin and congregated in the hair. This is evident when we look at the depigmented creatures who live in the caves.
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As you can see living in caves can cause the lost of melanin in the skin.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
After the tectonic events of 2000 BC the entrances of the caves opened in the Caucasus.
The original Black Europeans had turned into the people we call Europeans today.
The first Caucasians had lived in the caves for thousands of years.
During this time they probably treated each other badly.
Given the lack of life in the caves these first caucasians probably ate each other and suffered many bad things.
These first Caucasians probably left the caves bitter because they had lost their pigmentation--while many of the people they saw when they left the caves were pigmented=Blacks.
The original home of the Caucasians was the Caucasus Mountains.
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. They came from the caves after 2000BC
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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The origin of whites lie in the Caves of the Caucasus mountains. This is why Europeans in the Quran are called the People of the Cave.
It was from here that whites came from the bowels of the earth after the tectonic events of 2000 BC. By 1300BC, the Caucasians, led by the Hittites began to advance from Anatolia into Europe and the Middle East.
Between 1500-500 BC, Caucasians began to exterminate Blacks in Europe, North Africa, India and much of the Middle East and replace them.
The Egyptians called these people the People of the Sea.
In conclusion the original home of the Caucasians was the caves of the Caucasus mountains. They were let out of the caves by tectonic events that weakend Black civilizations after 1500BC to such an extent as to make the Black civilizations in Europe and elsewhere, open for invasion and genocide.
Dr. Winters
I concur. The theory you've outlined I also endorse. Albinism in whites originated either in caves or through Africans with mutated genes. No other theory stands up against the available evidence. There is no SURFACE region on the entire planet that Whites have environmentally adapted to.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
@Clyde Winters
Please consolidate some of your info as per which areas they came into first these areas:
1. Turkey 2. Persia 3. Africa 4. Greece 5. Caucasus, Russia + Eastern Europe 6. Western Europe 7. Spain 8. Italy 9. Nordic countries 10.Middle East
Like I said at the beginning I'm not saying Caucasians where the first people in these areas. I'm asking in which areas from earliest to last did they first come from? 1)You are saying Caucasians came from Cro-Magnon black people probably the San who spread the Aurignacian from Spain to the Caucasus mountains. And you are saying they lost their pigmentation from living in caves. Of course they couldn't have stayed in the caves all day long because you need fire wood and to go out and hunt all day long outside to find animals and kill them for food and also forage for some leaves and berries which take time to gather. You can see on pre-historic cave walls in France that they were always showing hunting scenes. There are also people who lived in caves in South Africa. But the whole North of the Equator has less sun. I don't see how it has to do with the shelter itself. These other white cave creatures never go out of the cave so you can't compare. You hunt and gather in the day and sleep in a cave or a wood shelter at night it makes no difference. It takes all day to hunt and even if your outside all day long you are wearing clothes that protect you from the cold and the same time prevents you from getting Vitamin D. Therefore if your head is going to be exposed you would need to have lighter skin to absorb as much of the lesser sun in those areas.
2) The Chinese, some are medium toned skin and many millions are as pale as white people. How did this occur? Are they also from Cro-Magnon black people who spread the Aurignacian? If you look at Asian facial features they have much smaller noses than the San people. The eye shape is different and their hair is straight.
3) How did Asian people's hair get straight?
4) You mentioned Spain as the entry point. What about coming from Egypt, going into the Middle East and spreading into Asia. That's also closer to China. And closer to the Caucasus.
5) If you look at the whole top quarter of the world, the whole area above Africa there's less sunlight there. If Caucasian people were formally black because of less sunlight that must mean there are people who settled not as far north who are an in between skin color due to a medium amount of sun. That's simple logic. Therefore while some medium toned people could be the result of the extremes of a light skinned person having a child with a dark skinned person there would be many more who never mixed, they just didn't go as far North as the people who would became Caucasian. You said from Spain to the Caucasus. There is a lot of territory between Spain and the Caucasus. Northern China is also farther North than the Caucus.
6) If you say that people were migrating out of Africa from Spain what about migrating out of Egypt? That's a much closer distance to the Caucasus. You have Iran on the way and those people look Caucasian. Yes the original people who first came there where black. But as they stayed there their skin must have lightened.
7) Is it possible that the origin of all light skinned people including many Chinese all came from North West Africa and moved from there into Spain and then parts of Asia? Maybe. If you look on a map if people were migrating into Spain it goes straight into Western Europe then you have to go a lot more East to get to the Caucuses. If this is where these Cro Magnon black people changed into Caucasians that means that they would then have to double back in migration and go back West and populate Western Europe as Caucasians and also Nordic countries like Norway and Finland. It doesn't seem to make sense. It doesn't seem logical that Caucasians would only originate in the Caucus mountains just because there are mountains there. There are also caves in Western Europe, in South Africa, South America and all over the world.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
This is the actress Lucy Liu she from Taiwan.
What is the reason her skin color is so light?
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
@ lion I will try to answer you questions.
1) During the last Ice Age, Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves because of the Ice. As a result, these Blacks were in the caves for thousands of years. During this extended period of time the Blacks were depigmented.
2-3,6) The Chinese also claim they originated in a mountainous area: Huang Shang mountain range.
Huangshan mountains
Here we also find many caves.
If there were blacks in these caves during the last Ice Age they would have been the Australian or Aborigine Blacks who left Africa 60kya.
Australians
Chinese
Aborigines
This would explain the links between Australians and Chinese in relation to hair texture and the red hair of both populations.
4) People could not enter Europe before the last Ice Age from Egypt because the Neanderthal people dominated the Levant.
5) The spread of Cro-Magnon from Spain to Eastern Europe is supported by the spread of Aurignacian artifacts.
7) It is clear from the linguistic evidence that the first Indo-Europeans migrated eastward and westward from Anatolia into Europe and India.
Light skinned people could not have originated in North Africa. Craniometrics and examination of pelvis bones indicate that whites only recently entered North Africa.
I hope this has answered your questions.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: @Clyde Winters
Please consolidate some of your info as per which areas they came into first these areas:
1. Turkey 2. Persia 3. Africa 4. Greece 5. Caucasus, Russia + Eastern Europe 6. Western Europe 7. Spain 8. Italy 9. Nordic countries 10.Middle East
Like I said at the beginning I'm not saying Caucasians where the first people in these areas. I'm asking in which areas from earliest to last did they first come from? 1)You are saying Caucasians came from Cro-Magnon black people probably the San who spread the Aurignacian from Spain to the Caucasus mountains. And you are saying they lost their pigmentation from living in caves. Of course they couldn't have stayed in the caves all day long because you need fire wood and to go out and hunt all day long outside to find animals and kill them for food and also forage for some leaves and berries which take time to gather. You can see on pre-historic cave walls in France that they were always showing hunting scenes. There are also people who lived in caves in South Africa. But the whole North of the Equator has less sun. I don't see how it has to do with the shelter itself. These other white cave creatures never go out of the cave so you can't compare. You hunt and gather in the day and sleep in a cave or a wood shelter at night it makes no difference. It takes all day to hunt and even if your outside all day long you are wearing clothes that protect you from the cold and the same time prevents you from getting Vitamin D. Therefore if your head is going to be exposed you would need to have lighter skin to absorb as much of the lesser sun in those areas.
2) The Chinese, some are medium toned skin and many millions are as pale as white people. How did this occur? Are they also from Cro-Magnon black people who spread the Aurignacian? If you look at Asian facial features they have much smaller noses than the San people. The eye shape is different and their hair is straight.
3) How did Asian people's hair get straight?
4) You mentioned Spain as the entry point. What about coming from Egypt, going into the Middle East and spreading into Asia. That's also closer to China. And closer to the Caucasus.
5) If you look at the whole top quarter of the world, the whole area above Africa there's less sunlight there. If Caucasian people were formally black because of less sunlight that must mean there are people who settled not as far north who are an in between skin color due to a medium amount of sun. That's simple logic. Therefore while some medium toned people could be the result of the extremes of a light skinned person having a child with a dark skinned person there would be many more who never mixed, they just didn't go as far North as the people who would became Caucasian. You said from Spain to the Caucasus. There is a lot of territory between Spain and the Caucasus. Northern China is also farther North than the Caucus.
6) If you say that people were migrating out of Africa from Spain what about migrating out of Egypt? That's a much closer distance to the Caucasus. You have Iran on the way and those people look Caucasian. Yes the original people who first came there where black. But as they stayed there their skin must have lightened.
7) Is it possible that the origin of all light skinned people including many Chinese all came from North West Africa and moved from there into Spain and then parts of Asia? Maybe. If you look on a map if people were migrating into Spain it goes straight into Western Europe then you have to go a lot more East to get to the Caucuses. If this is where these Cro Magnon black people changed into Caucasians that means that they would then have to double back in migration and go back West and populate Western Europe as Caucasians and also Nordic countries like Norway and Finland. It doesn't seem to make sense. It doesn't seem logical that Caucasians would only originate in the Caucus mountains just because there are mountains there. There are also caves in Western Europe, in South Africa, South America and all over the world.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: @ lion I will try to answer you questions.
1) During the last Ice Age, Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves because of the Ice. As a result, these Blacks were in the caves for thousands of years. During this extended period of time the Blacks were depigmented.
I don't understand what you mean by
" Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves"
Anybody who would be unable to exist a cave would die quickly due to of lack of food and not having access to having firewood to make fires every night to keep from freezing.
Why do these cave walls have paintings of hunting scenes? Because people are able to exit the cave hunt and gather for food and to collect firewood to start a fire so they don't freeze to death.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lion:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: @ lion I will try to answer you questions.
1) During the last Ice Age, Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves because of the Ice. As a result, these Blacks were in the caves for thousands of years. During this extended period of time the Blacks were depigmented.
I don't understand what you mean by
" Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves"
Anybody who would be unable to exist a cave would die quickly due to of lack of food and not having access to having firewood to make fires every night to keep from freezing.
Why do these cave walls have paintings of hunting scenes? Because people are able to exit the cave hunt and gather for food and to collect firewood to start a fire so they don't freeze to death.
There is food in caves
They had drawings in the caves because they were originally temples.
Once the ice came they would not have been able to exit the caves due to the cold.
Due to the cold and lack of fire wood they would have went deeper into the caves.They may have been able to keep warm by burning mainly lichens.
At first they may have eaten any animals they took into the caves with them.
Over time they would have ate what ever they could find in the caves. There are many sources of food in caves. Over time man would have developed ways to manage the food resources to provide enough food to feed themselves. Eventually they may have eaten each other to provide other food resources.
White people are no more cannibles then any other ethnicity. I understand that Europeans have made insulting attacks on other ethnicitys, but to say there ancestors were eating each other until the Ice melted just seems farfetched.
What study have you read that makes you make these comments about Cro-Magnon. Maybe these people (Cro-Magnon) died out and are not infact ancestors of Humans? Mind you I don't comment on these kinds of threads because I don't really believe the "We came from monkeys" nonsense.
Peace
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Clyde Winters
Does that even sound plausible to you?
You really think Cro-Magnon man became cannibles?
White people are no more cannibles then any other ethnicity. I understand that Europeans have made insulting attacks on other ethnicitys, but to say there ancestors were eating each other until the Ice melted just seems farfetched.
What study have you read that makes you make these comments about Cro-Magnon. Maybe these people (Cro-Magnon) died out and are not infact ancestors of Humans? Mind you I don't comment on these kinds of threads because I don't really believe the "We came from monkeys" nonsense.
Peace
As you probably know archaeologists have found human bones in caves that appear to have been the result of human exploitation.
Have you ever noticed how Europeans can think of the most horrible creatures in their imagination and put them in books and movies. Creatures that other populations can not imagine.
I believe that these creatures may be race memories, Europeans access from the memories they have of their former experiences in the caves.
As pointed out above there are other food resources in caves but, some people may have wanted to use humans as a source of food.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Cannibalism may have been common among some ancient populations
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Anthropologists such as Tim D. White suggest that cannibalism was common in human societies prior to the beginning of the Upper Paleolithic during the Middle Paleolithic, based on the large amount of “butchered human" bones found in Neanderthal and other Middle Paleolithic sites.[18] Cannibalism in the Middle Paleolithic may have occurred because of food shortages.[19] However it is also possible that Middle Paleolithic cannabalism occurred for religious reasons which would coincide with the development of religious practices thought to have occurred during the Upper Paleolithic.[20][21]
Nonetheless it remains possible that Middle Paleolithic societies never practiced cannibalism and that the damage to recovered human bones was either the result of ritual post-mortem bone cleaning or predation by carnivores such as Saber tooth cats, lions and hyenas.[21]
If thats the case(Human bones with teeth marks) Then thats just sad.
Really though you should have proof of this before you try and claim the Ancestors of whites were cannibles like that.
As for imagining creatures, I don't think it's because of any twisted part of the European mind. I see it more as them just being heavy dreamers. Really though I see no reason to put down Europeans anymore then to put down Africans. We are all people and we all have a common enemy in the Elites in The world who dictate to the mass(People) How to look,think, and live.
When you realize that Black, White etc. we are all in the same Boat and are trying to survive and we need to stand strong as a united "Human" race. Until this happens, our lives will always be dictated to us by the Elites. Sad thing is, that as we put History back in it's proper place, we see people taking the chance to take cheap shots at Whites, when it was the minority of them that has attacked and tried to harm the Colored people of the world.
Clyde I have been learning about how schools in Chicago are closing down or are being merged. I think this is disgusting and shows how the people are again being attacked by the elites and there team of puppet leaders. Shameful.
Peace
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Clyde Winters
If thats the case(Human bones with teeth marks) Then thats just sad.
Really though you should have proof of this before you try and claim the Ancestors of whites were cannibles like that.
As for imagining creatures, I don't think it's because of any twisted part of the European mind. I see it more as them just being heavy dreamers. Really though I see no reason to put down Europeans anymore then to put down Africans. We are all people and we all have a common enemy in the Elites in The world who dictate to the mass(People) How to look,think, and live.
When you realize that Black, White etc. we are all in the same Boat and are trying to survive and we need to stand strong as a united "Human" race. Until this happens, our lives will always be dictated to us by the Elites. Sad thing is, that as we put History back in it's proper place, we see people taking the chance to take cheap shots at Whites, when it was the minority of them that has attacked and tried to harm the Colored people of the world.
Clyde I have been learning about how schools in Chicago are closing down or are being merged. I think this is disgusting and shows how the people are again being attacked by the elites and there team of puppet leaders. Shameful.
Peace
King I am not putting down Europeans I am just acknowedging what the evidence is suggesting. I love everyone.
Schools are being closed down in Chicago so they can get extra money. The RTTT grants are given to school districts that close public schools and convert them into charter schools. Pres. Obama is giving Billions $$$ to schools that covert public schools into charter schools.
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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
del DP
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Come on Clyde. Hope you are clowning around. I can understand primarily living the caves and or dark cold places during the LGM . . . .but emerging from caves AFTER an earthquake? Come on. This would mean they never came up or were trapped. Plus the epicenter of true whites is not the Caucasus Mountains. I agree with the low light thing (caves) but the earthquake .. . .
And. Does the Quran rally call them "people of the caves"??????
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The origin of whites lie in the Caves of the Caucasus mountains.
This is why Europeans in the Quran are called the People of the Cave.
It was from here that whites came from the bowels of the earth after the tectonic events of 2000 BC. (WHAAAATTTT!!!!)
The Egyptians called these people the People of the Sea. (WHAAATTT!!!)
Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
xyy, Clyde is a complete moron. I actually think he is mentally ill. It is one thing to have an extreme ideology, quite another to walk around with your thumb in your mouth all day.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Come one Clyde. Hope you are clowning around. I can understand primarily living the caves and or dark cold places during the LGM . . . .but emerging from caves AFTER an earthquake? Come on. This would mean they never came up or were trapped. Plus the epicenter of true whites is not the Caucasus Mountains. I agree with the low light thing (caves) but the earthquake .. . .
And. Does the Quran rally call them "people of the caves"??????
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The origin of whites lie in the Caves of the Caucasus mountains.
This is why Europeans in the Quran are called the People of the Cave.
It was from here that whites came from the bowels of the earth after the tectonic events of 2000 BC. (WHAAAATTTT!!!!)
The Egyptians called these people the People of the Sea. (WHAAATTT!!!)
Yes Europeans or Westerners who have adopted Christianity are called the people of the cave. They are mentioned in Sura 18, The Cave (Al-Kahf).
quote:
The Dwellers of the Cave
[18:9] Why else do you think we are telling you about the people of the cave, and the numbers connected with them? They are among our wondrous signs.
[18:10] When the youths took refuge in the cave, they said, "Our Lord, shower us with Your mercy, and bless our affairs with Your guidance."
[18:11] We then sealed their ears in the cave for a predetermined number of years.
[18:12] Then we resurrected them to see which of the two parties could count the duration of their stay therein.
[18:13] We narrate to you their history, truthfully. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and we increased their guidance.
[18:14] We strengthened their hearts when they stood up and proclaimed: "Our only Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. We will never worship any other god beside Him. Otherwise, we would be far astray.
[18:15] "Here are our people setting up gods beside Him. If only they could provide any proof to support their stand! Who is more evil than the one who fabricates lies and attributes them to GOD?
Beginning with the SANTORINI ERUPTION (~1630 BC), natural disasters began to weaken city-states across the Mediterranean and Anatolia.
As a result of this catastrophe, many states were weaken and migrations were set to effect as people left the cities in search of new lands to settle.
The People of the Sea are often recognized as a catastrophe because of the destruction they spread across nthe Mediterranean .Between 1300-1200 BC almost every significant city or palace was destroyed in the eastern Mediterranean were destroyed by the People of the Sea (http://www.amazon.com/End-Bronze-Age-Robert-Drews/dp/0691025916#reader_0691025916 p.4).
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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
That is not a historical document goofey.
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
@Clyde Winters
During the Ice Age there were woolly mammoth, , cave bears, bison, wolves, horses, and herds of reindeer.
So why would people be trapped in a cave unable to exit? You posted these pictures
This picture shows caves with open entrances and a set of steps
This picture shows a painting of people outside hunting an ice age animal
this picture shows a blind animal with no pigmentation
this picture shows a person who is not blind and has light melanin pigmentation
Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Originally posted by xyyman: Plus the epicenter of true whites is not the Caucasus Mountains.
what is the epicenter of true whites?
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Originally posted by the lion: @Clyde Winters
During the Ice Age there were woolly mammoth, , cave bears, bison, wolves, horses, and herds of reindeer.
So why would people be trapped in a cave unable to exit?
During the last Ice Age many Woolly Mammoths were frozen while they were eating. This shows that the last Ice Age came suddenly.
If Woolly Mammoths were frozen while eating, we know that the cold came suddenly.
You posted these pictures
This picture shows caves with open entrances and a set of steps
This is a picture of caves that were recently made into a Temple. There were no steps here in ancient times.
This picture shows a painting of people outside hunting an ice age animal
This is just a painting to illustrate how the caves were used as temples before the last Ice Age. The fact that they were seen as temples encouraged the Cro-Magnon people to seek refuge in them when the Ice Age sweep across Europe.
this picture shows a blind animal with no pigmentation
this picture shows a person who is not blind and has light melanin pigmentation
This just a picture of alleged early Europeans. There are no pictures of the original Europeans when they exited the caves.
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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] Originally posted by the lion: @Clyde Winters
During the Ice Age there were woolly mammoth, , cave bears, bison, wolves, horses, and herds of reindeer.
So why would people be trapped in a cave unable to exit?
During the last Ice Age many Woolly Mammoths were frozen while they were eating. This shows that the last Ice Age came suddenly.
If Woolly Mammoths were frozen while eating, we know that the cold came suddenly.
When you say "suddenly" how much time are you talking about one day, hundreds of years or thousands of years?
Why did the Woolly Mammoth have so much hair? How did they get that way? How did long did it take for then to develop that much hair?
During the ice age some area were completely covered in glaciers. Other areas were a mixture of ice covered areas alternating with other ares that had vegetation. These mixed areas were still part of the overall ice age area. Mammals could survive in these areas and did for thousands of years. That means people could also survive in these areas by hunting those animals using their furs for warmth, making fires and sleeping in caves.
Posted by aintplayin22 (Member # 18179) on :
Damn!!!
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Double Damn!!!!
Posted by Glassflower (Member # 17950) on :
lol...met a really trippy wizard nutter at a festival once that was convinced there was a race of beings living underground still....they must look like Golom by now....the earthquake must have kept them there....Maybe it was Wizard Winters I met...
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Actually the origins of Europeans came from many sources. The term caucasian and the idea of Europeans originating in the Caucasus is more folk tale than anthropology. By the time the ice retreated, the people started flowing back from the East and included populations from South Asia, Central Asia, the Levant and parts of Africa. From this stock arose the features identified as European "caucasian" originated. Nobody knows exactly when the trait of permanent pale skin arose in these people, but it has been estimated to have been from 10-20,000 years ago.
Clyde is also correct that the original populations of Mesopotamia did indeed include black aboriginal types from Mesopotamia, Africa and Arabia and these were gradually replaced by more northern populations ultimately originating in and around the Caucasus and Eurasian Steppes. But this nonsense about cave mutations is pure fantasy land.
Feature wise, there is no such thing as a feature type that originated in the caucasus, as people with extremely narrow gracile facial structures developed in Africa and South Asia prior to the population of the Caucasus mountains.
Posted by aintplayin22 (Member # 18179) on :
How does the lack of melanin come into play, but the Africans retained theirs?
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
I don't go for al~Imam Isa's Caucus-Asians (deteriorating Asaians) theory modified and further developed by Dr. Winters as he outlines above but the facial features of the vast majority of Europeans do not match the narrow features of either East Africans or Indian sub-continentals.
I've no idea where their features come from but if you take a picture of your average European and retint the flesh to the black through red-black tones of narrow featured East Africans or Indians you'll see European peoples by and large don't wear the faces of narrow featured tropical peoples.
They are a unique facial featured people unmatched by those from Africa, East & South Asia, Australia, Oceana, or the Americas.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
The cave theory as the origin of White people fits in well with explaining why it is that today's whites, with little or no admixture are non-adaptive to any of the world's UV environments.
As we clearly see in Africa among African Albinos, Africa's UV index literally burns African albinos up and results in a life expectancy of 30-40 years. With little melanin, African albinos lack the thermal "radiator" to dissipate heat generated by the absorption of Africa's intense UV radiation. Couple this to compromised immunity systems inherent to Albinism, and the body no longer has the capability to HEAL real-time damage resulting from Sun burn.
As We see in Israel and Australia, skin cancer rates are the highest on the globe, AND CLIMBING! In fact, whites are even susceptible to skin cancer in Alaska and their supposed native land, Europe! How could this be true when you lack basic adaption to your own native land?
Further, the human body is an amazing piece of work. It contains adaptive networks that dynamically compensate for various malfunctions and provide almost complete facilities for self repair. This is why basically there could not have been any "whitening" of blacks in a natural way other then what we observe in the INUITS or Siberian tribes who shed some skin pigmentation (not eye pigments) naturally while leaving the immunity system compromised. This is typical of the human body's natural response to environmental change without making drastic compromises leaving the body prone to shorter life span due to an inability to ward off disease or injury.
That the ancestors of whites were trapped or shielded from the earth's surface environment and under went this drastic physical transformation is a much stronger probability explaining the origin of whites compared to other theories which have been widely promoted by whites (and accepted by all) regarding insufficient vitamin D intake, or skin melanin lose to enable greater UV penetration of the skin in order to allow whites to absorb more UV enabling higher levels of Vitamin D production. This theory completing disregards the susceptibility of DNA damage due to radiation bombardment of the now unprotected reproductive organs. Therefore, These ACCEPTED theories are based on false assumptions of how the "normal" human body actually works.
Al Takruri's remarks above regarding no referencing group on the earth's surface having these same facial feature deviations only adds to the very possible validity of this cave theory, and certainly does nothing to refute it.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Why bother refuting religious mythology adapted to physical anthropology?
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
Al Takruri's remarks above regarding no referencing group on the earth's surface having these same facial feature deviations only adds to the very possible validity of this cave theory, and certainly does nothing to refute it.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Why bother refuting religious mythology adapted to physical anthropology?
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
Al Takruri's remarks above regarding no referencing group on the earth's surface having these same facial feature deviations only adds to the very possible validity of this cave theory, and certainly does nothing to refute it.
First, it may assist in re-enforcing the standard belief. Perhaps not. As you should recognize very well, there is some value in mythology.
Anthropology aspects of ALBINISM
Albinism represents a group of inherited abnormalities of the melanin pigment system in which the synthesis of melanin is absent or reduced, generalized (oculocutaneous albinism) or localised (ocular albinism). Recent molecular studies provide insight into the pathophysiological processes of pigmentation regulation and help our understanding of the genetic heterogeneity of human albinism. It rarely affects Europeans, frequently Africans, only a minority of Amerindians, who nevertheless, when an ethnic group is concerned, presents one of the highest incidence in the world.
Historically, the African albinos were used as an alibi by the European theologians to support Adam's descent of humanity and by naturalists to affirm the alleged superiority of the white men. Anthropological data are mainly issued from Amerindians with contradictories attitudes towards albinos: both acceptance and rejection. Only the Kuna of Panama have given albinos a major place in their mythology, although in reality they frequently reject them. Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Melanin can't you see the illogic of what you are saying? African people pop out more albino children than any other continent. If white people are albino then why would they need to be locked off in cave that was totally sealed shut by ice for thousands of years, let alone be able to survive
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Damn you're stupid!
i.e. Afroeccentricity
Furthermore if one wants to go with the locked in a cave for thousands of years theory then the fact that the people's skin turned white as a result shows an adaptation well suited to that cave environment. Melanin most people use 2% you are using half a percent
In other words Mike's albino theory is completely different and opposed to Clyde Winter's ice closed cave theory.
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A) Mike's Albino Theory is based on people who have significant pigmentation producing children who suddenly are born with no pigmentation. He says they later mixed with pigmented people.
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B) Clyde's Shut Cave Theory is based on pigmented people undergoing slow adaptive change over thousands of years adjusting to a dark cave environment in the same way you can find other albino animals living in some caves. He says that they were locked in the caves 24 hours a day because they got shut by ice from the ice age.
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so make up your mind my mellow, in this world we can't have it both ways
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Actually the origins of Europeans came from many sources. The term caucasian and the idea of Europeans originating in the Caucasus is more folk tale than anthropology. By the time the ice retreated, the people started flowing back from the East and included populations from South Asia, Central Asia, the Levant and parts of Africa. From this stock arose the features identified as European "caucasian" originated. Nobody knows exactly when the trait of permanent pale skin arose in these people, but it has been estimated to have been from 10-20,000 years ago.
Clyde is also correct that the original populations of Mesopotamia did indeed include black aboriginal types from Mesopotamia, Africa and Arabia and these were gradually replaced by more northern populations ultimately originating in and around the Caucasus and Eurasian Steppes. But this nonsense about cave mutations is pure fantasy land.
Feature wise, there is no such thing as a feature type that originated in the caucasus, as people with extremely narrow gracile facial structures developed in Africa and South Asia prior to the population of the Caucasus mountains.
Do you have ANY evidence to support ANY of that?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
Feature wise, there is no such thing as a feature type that originated in the caucasus, as people with extremely narrow gracile facial structures developed in Africa and South Asia prior to the population of the Caucasus mountains. [/QB]
Explorer argues otherwise:
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: (photo 2, below)
Of course there is such a thing as features that are not African, granted that African diversity encompasses much of that found outside of the continent. The Pinocchio-like tip of the nose that is frequently found in northern west Eurasians is generally rare, if not absent, in autochthonous African populations. The level of loss of epidermal pigmentation in northern Europe is essentially not African, as a natural selection feature as opposed to a genetic mishap. Likewise, certain hair textures found in Europe are rare to absent in Africa. The orbital ridges that are prominent in Australian populations, once a frequent trait in Africa, is no longer prominent on the continent. These are merely a few examples that immediately pop into mind.
Visual aids...
A common example of this is the nose job done on the facial reconstruction of Tut:
It appears that there was an attempt to "Europeanize" Tut's nose, but it came out in a peculiar way instead. Tut's contemporaneous sculptures don't feature such nose tips on his busts.
^This last one perhaps does a good job of showing the contrasts. The female's nose is by no means flat, but next to the male's, the tip of her nose points out relatively lesser than the "white" male counterpart. Note the differences in nostrils too. The male's is longer and the opening of the nostrils are relatively narrower than that of the female, while the latter's nostril [its outlines] appear relatively more flared or emphasized. So by "Pinocchio"-like nose tip, I'm referring to these type of side-profile outward projections of the nose, and the relatively "sharper" or "pointier" tip (often slanting downwards), usually in accompaniment by narrower (in tandem with understated nostril lines) long nostril openings, which appear as though someone is pressing on the nostrils.
Ps: Observe the tips of the nose and the nostrils...
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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Melanin can't you see the illogic of what you are saying? African people pop out more albino children than any other continent. If white people are albino then why would they need to be locked off in cave that was totally sealed shut by ice for thousands of years, let alone be able to survive
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Damn you're stupid!
i.e. Afroeccentricity
Furthermore if one wants to go with the locked in a cave for thousands of years theory then the fact that the people's skin turned white as a result shows an adaptation well suited to that cave environment. Melanin most people use 2% you are using half a percent
In other words Mike's albino theory is completely different and opposed to Clyde Winter's ice closed cave theory.
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A) Mike's Albino Theory is based on people who have significant pigmentation producing children who suddenly are born with no pigmentation. He says they later mixed with pigmented people.
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B) Clyde's Shut Cave Theory is based on pigmented people undergoing slow adaptive change over thousands of years adjusting to a dark cave environment in the same way you can find other albino animals living in some caves. He says that they were locked in the caves 24 hours a day because they got shut by ice from the ice age.
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so make up your mind my mellow, in this world we can't have it both ways
No little kitten. It is you who refuse to use your brain in a constructive manner.
Both theories can be correct simultaneously, and include other plausible theories as well. That is, unless you emotionally just don't wish it to be true.
Of course Africa yields more incidents of the physical defect, Albinism.
The symptoms in Africans will certainly be more pronounced versus the population.
The question is no longer, IF whites are Albino, but when and where could it have occurred.
Albinism (incomplete, not perfect/full) would of course be much more difficult to detect in Europe or other regions with more whites since they all display symptoms of partial albinism. What is it that you are finding so difficult to comprehend?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Like most of them, denial is the key to Lionesses denseness.
As to the incidence of Albinism in Albinos - does the statement of what we are really talking about, bring the absurdity of the argument into focus?
How many have seen pure-White, Blond-haired, Blue-eyed, people passed of as "Normal"?
"WITH" the exclamation that such a perfect creature must be a gift from God!
Come on folks, the only people who actually believe that, are the people that it was intended for: Dim-witted Blacks.
i.e. Note the stampede of White women jockeying to get some of that White cock, so that they can make babies just like that.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
^ Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Yawnnnnn!!! First off, there are No Caucasians. Putting a name(Caucasians) to group of people who are ethnically different and most of all genetically dis-similar is . . .retarded, unscientific and .. . . Giganticist.
Seems like every six months we recycle the same arguments. Running out of topics I see. I have said this a thousand times. According to the global UV intensity/skin pigmentation map the lightest skin should be found . . . in the Scandinavian regions of Europe. And guess where the white-ist, blondest people are found today. The Scandinavian regions of Europe. SUPRISE!! This is a no-brainer. It is not rocket science.
According to genetic studies Scandinavians are genetically distinct from Western and Southern Europeans. ie with HG-I at least 25ky seperated from Hg-R1b1b. As you move further South HG-I trails off to lower percentages.
According to Dr Norvesdt(?) and many other scholars HG-I expansion mimics the Germanic people expansion which began about 2k BC. See postings by Clyde, Marc and Mike.
I don't agree with the Albino thing but clearly the evidence shows that the really white skin has very little "natural" environment besides cold dark caves(MK et al).
My educated guess is Western and Southern Europeans are a blend of Africans(R1b1) and Asians. . . no wait. . .where have I heard that before!!!
Stop looking at pictures and start reading and interpreting the data.
How did the skin turn white. See the Rana study posted on ESR.
Educate yourself. PLEASE!!!!
quote:Originally posted by the lion:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Originally posted by xyyman: Plus the epicenter of true whites is not the Caucasus Mountains.
what is the epicenter of true whites?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Here is a clue. Science can be a useful tool. He! He! He! My guess is you are probably in your sixties since you rely so much on pictures to prove your point.
Check the said UV map. What can you infer from it? Let me help you. Sudan/Egypt should be a blend of dark and light brown peoples. NO ADMIXTURE needed!!! Didn't Keita say that(Ha!). Light brown skin could be an indication of admixture . . .or NOT.
I may even add, to your amazement, that the light skin of the Atlas people MAY be "indigenous". Why? The UV map. Again, didn't Keita hint at that.
AEians were a blend of Black(politically) Africans from the South and the Sahara. BTW they were Sudanese more than Somalians(wink! Osirion(another picture lover).
Read up on your Geography!!!
Please waste someone else's time.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Notice. I follow the facts and evidence. I dis-agree with the lunatic and MOM that the Asians entered the Americas , dark. Why? The timeline. . . and geography. Send me a PM with your phone number and I will explain to you. wink! wink!
But seriously. This is your home work assignment.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
To be honest, I have never cared about what color a person is or whatever race they think they belong to. I try to treat people as they treat me. I could care less if you're green or yellow.
I wonder why people care so much beyond the obvious colour confrontation that manifests as "white supremacy".?
Are we not all one? All the humans, animals and plants??
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
xyyman - You came SO close.
But alas, it turns out that you are just another victim of the White mans propaganda and misinformation machine.
Your were correct when you said that extreme European Albinism can be traced to the Germans. But then you got lost with the White mans bullsh1t.
"NO" the palest people are NOT in Scandinavia. Though the Scandinavians may have a preponderance of Blonds, that by itself is not an indicator.
The Germanic peoples of the British Isles and Germany are the palest people. Forget the bullsh1t about UV regions, it has nothing to do with pale skin: Albinism does.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Come-on Boys and Girls; I thought by now someone would have connected the dots and popped-up with:
Oh Ya, Right: that's probably why the Germanics of Britain (and their American migrants) are the apparent creators of Racism.
Oh Ya, Right: that's probably why the Germanics of Holland (and their American and South African (Afrikaners) migrants) are the apparent creators of Racism.
Oh Ya, Right: that's probably why the Germanics of Belgium (and their American migrants) are the apparent creators of Racism.
Oh Ya, Right: that's probably why the Germanics of Germany (and their American migrants) are the apparent creators of Racism.
Think about it folks, how many other Europeans make such a thing about Race?
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
^ Mike you're cRazy, you're saying Racism is genetic?? Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
In conclusion the original home of the Caucasians was the caves of the Caucasus mountains. They were let out of the caves by tectonic events that weakend Black civilizations after 1500BC to such an extent as to make the Black civilizations in Europe and elsewhere, open for invasion and genocide.
This is a very heavy statement.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The original home of the Caucasians was the Caucasus Mountains.
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. They came from the caves after 2000BC [/b] .
AND WHEN EXACTLY DID THEY GO INTO THE CAVES???
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by hottoddi: ^ Mike you're cRazy, you're saying Racism is genetic??
No my dear, that is NOT the point.
It has to do with the human response to disadvantage or stress.
If a dishonest person perceives that you are on to his dishonesty. He will spent all of his time trying to convince you of his honesty.
Likewise, the most pale people will spend all of their time convincing pigmented people of the beauty and superiority of being un-pigmented.
When they have a gun to your head, it makes it kind of tough to disagree.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Good question. This is a thinking man or woman. "When did it happen?" We have an idea on where. The Rana(?) study posted on ESR explains "how".
When? - The timeline gives us a clue. . . tick! tock! tick! tock!
Here is a hint - it had nothing(Nada) to do with diet per MOM et al and Dr Lablonski. Why, because the Neolithic revolution took place "AFTER" the skin turned white. PLUS southern Europeans, near the sea would of remained black/brown. Hell if the Inuit remained dark because of sea food then the Greeks and Italians would of also reamin dark. LOL! That's the problem with these Europeans and their BS theories. They never see the big picture. To them the world "IS" Europe.
quote:Originally posted by hottoddi:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The original home of the Caucasians was the Caucasus Mountains.
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. They came from the caves after 2000BC [/b] .
AND WHEN EXACTLY DID THEY GO INTO THE CAVES???
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Notice. I follow the facts and evidence. I dis-agree with the lunatic and MOM that the Asians entered the Americas , dark. Why? The timeline. . . and geography.
Why do you disagree?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I agree with you Mike. We have to always read between the lines when these papers are published. But I always say it is in their discussion/conclusion where they spin their BS. The data are most times useful.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Sorry dude/dudette. Go read some old threads to get the full story.
As I said these are recycled arguments.
quote:Originally posted by hottoddi:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Notice. I follow the facts and evidence. I dis-agree with the lunatic and MOM that the Asians entered the Americas , dark. Why? The timeline. . . and geography.
Why do you disagree?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
DP
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by hottoddi:
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
The original home of the Caucasians was the Caucasus Mountains.
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. They came from the caves after 2000BC [/b] .
AND WHEN EXACTLY DID THEY GO INTO THE CAVES???
Around 20kya
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Posted by Glassflower (Member # 17950) on :
when I was in UK last year read a newspaper article that said the ancestor of blue eyed people was someone that would have had to have sex with offspring! Cant find the exact article but this is where it must have come from http://www.livescience.com/health/080131-blue-eyes.html Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
When? - The timeline gives us a clue. . . tick! tock! tick! tock!
Here is a hint - it had nothing(Nada) to do with diet per MOM et al and Dr Lablonski. Why, because the Neolithic revolution took place "AFTER" the skin turned white. PLUS southern Europeans, near the sea would of remained black/brown. Hell if the Inuit remained dark because of sea food then the Greeks and Italians would of also reamin dark. LOL! That's the problem with these Europeans and their BS theories. They never see the big picture. To them the world "IS" Europe.
When you talk about the Europeans' BS theories on what causes variation in skin pigmentation would you like to now retract your earlier European theory for the variation in skin pigmentation you made below and the Rana,Harding study as well? Which you kept referring to, which by the way (see your PDF) supports the vitamin D hypothesis?
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: According to the global UV intensity/skin pigmentation map the lightest skin should be found . . . in the Scandinavian regions of Europe. And guess where the white-ist, blondest people are found today. The Scandinavian regions of Europe. SUPRISE!! This is a no-brainer. It is not rocket science.
you're all over the map as usual xyyman. Greece and Italy? take your own advice, look at the timeline, they descended from higher latitudes
Posted by arreubinsoni (Member # 12885) on :
quote:Where were Caucasians first in the world?
This is a prime example of subjunctive speech patterns. the words are English but the conveyance is foreign. the speaker intends to say "Where did the first caucasians' originate? " with [u]first[/u] acting as the stressing adjective following a definite article. The pattern above is well established in the African languages with the subject first and the adjective last "caucasians first". A beginner[in English] would not understand this because he would be taught the grammar of the European.
arabic: من اين بلدي كان القوقازيون الاولي؟ min ayn baladi kanal qaqaziyoonul ulaa? from where country were the caucasians first
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
you saying Lioness is an Arab , , , eh , , Turk
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: xyyman - You came SO close.
But alas, it turns out that you are just another victim of the White mans propaganda and misinformation machine.
Your were correct when you said that extreme European Albinism can be traced to the Germans. But then you got lost with the White mans bullsh1t.
"NO" the palest people are NOT in Scandinavia. Though the Scandinavians may have a preponderance of Blonds, that by itself is not an indicator.
The Germanic peoples of the British Isles and Germany are the palest people. Forget the bullsh1t about UV regions, it has nothing to do with pale skin: Albinism does.
xyyman - I have to admit, when faced with a deluge of Whiteman's bullsh1t like this, it's tough to parse the truth from the bullsh1t. But I'm going to try.
One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes
By Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 31 January 2008 08:34 am ET
People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.
A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.
{Here we see a perfect example of not only the Whiteman lying his ass-off, but also the White mans "Hubris": exaggerated pride or self-confidence: means extreme haughtiness or arrogance. Hubris often indicates being out of touch with reality}
Blue eyes, like Blond hair, are of course NOT unique to European White people, but are found in ALL Albino producing populations - that means that it is EVERYWHERE!
Additionally, science has already proven that the Albinos became a SEPARATE race (by breeding exclusively among themselves) about 40,000 years ago, NOT 6,000 and 10,000 years.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.
The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.
"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.
The genetic switch is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 and rather than completely turning off the gene, the switch limits its action, which reduces the production of melanin in the iris. In effect, the turned-down switch diluted brown eyes to blue.
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
Here is where they REALLY get cute:
Let me paraphrase: "Only people with ABSOLUTELY NO Melanin are truly Albinos. Because we have SOME melanin, we are NOT really Albinos - he,he.
Definition: Albinism is a form of hypopigmentary congenital disorder, characterized by a partial or total lack of melanin pigment in the eyes, skin and hair.
Albinism is hereditary; The principal gene which results in albinism prevents the body from making the usual amounts of the pigment melanin. Most forms of albinism are the result of the biological inheritance of genetically recessive alleles (genes) passed from both parents of an individual, though some rare forms are inherited from only one parent.
Because organisms with albinism have skin that lacks (sufficiently or entirely) the dark pigment melanin, which helps protect the skin from ultraviolet radiation coming from the sun, they can sunburn easily from overexposure. Lack of melanin in the eye also results in problems with vision. The gene OCA2, when in a variant form, the gene causes the pink eye color and hypopigmentation common in human albinism. Different SNPs within OCA2 are strongly associated with blue and green eyes.
"It's exactly what I sort of expected to see from what we know about selection around this area," said John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, referring to the study results regarding the OCA2 gene. Hawks was not involved in the current study.
Baby blues
Eiberg and his team examined DNA from mitochondria, the cells' energy-making structures, of blue-eyed individuals in countries including Jordan, Denmark and Turkey. This genetic material comes from females, so it can trace maternal lineages.
They specifically looked at sequences of DNA on the OCA2 gene and the genetic mutation associated with turning down melanin production.
Over the course of several generations, segments of ancestral DNA get shuffled so that individuals have varying sequences. Some of these segments, however, that haven't been reshuffled are called haplotypes. If a group of individuals shares long haplotypes, that means the sequence arose relatively recently in our human ancestors. The DNA sequence didn't have enough time to get mixed up.
"What they were able to show is that the people who have blue eyes in Denmark, as far as Jordan, these people all have this same haplotype, they all have exactly the same gene changes that are all linked to this one mutation that makes eyes blue," Hawks said in a telephone interview.
Melanin switch
The mutation is what regulates the OCA2 switch for melanin production. And depending on the amount of melanin in the iris, a person can end up with eye color ranging from brown to green. Brown-eyed individuals have considerable individual variation in the area of their DNA that controls melanin production. But they found that blue-eyed individuals only have a small degree of variation in the amount of melanin in their eyes.
"Out of 800 persons we have only found one person which didn't fit — but his eye color was blue with a single brown spot," Eiberg told LiveScience, referring to the finding that blue-eyed individuals all had the same sequence of DNA linked with melanin production.
"From this we can conclude that all blue-eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor," Eiberg said. "They have all inherited the same switch at exactly the same spot in their DNA." Eiberg and his colleagues detailed their study in the Jan. 3 online edition of the journal Human Genetics.
That genetic switch somehow spread throughout Europe and now other parts of the world.
Remember what I said about Hubris? This White guy from Europe, went all around the world impregnating native women to give them blue-eyed babies. How long ago was that again? He,he.
"The question really is, 'Why did we go from having nobody on Earth with blue eyes 10,000 years ago to having 20 or 40 percent of Europeans having blue eyes now?" Hawks said. "This gene does something good for people. It makes them have more kids."
How best to describe the above?
White boy Dreaming?
White boy rationalizing?
White boy just plain lying his ass-off?
BTW - Wiki already has this up as the definition for OCA2.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Agreed. Many white people are proud of their blue eyes. They don't realize it is a genetic defect that puts them at a dis-advantage.
And yes they do rationalize and delude themselves about it.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^An interesting observation:
Apparently Europeans are not keeping up with the times.
It USED to be that they could publish bullsh1t like that, and get away with it, because no one had the ability to crosscheck their bullsh1t.
Now, people from all over the world can share information. Some time ago posters were posting pictures of Blue-eyed Africans, Polynesians, Australian Aboriginals etc.
If anyone knows where they are, please re-post.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
He,he, I love debunking White man bullsh1t too much to wait - so I found my own.
Others should go ahead and post their own.
Albinism Quote: "Lack of melanin in the eye also results in problems with vision. The gene OCA2, when in a variant form, the gene causes the pink eye color and hypopigmentation common in human albinism. Different SNPs within OCA2 are strongly associated with blue and green eyes (also hazel etc.)"
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Geee, I guess White people aren't so special AFTER all. Looks like ANY people can be Albinic.
It's just that everybody else, had the good common sense NOT to breed with other Albinic people, and thereby create an entire RACE of defectives.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
the origin of white people
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
^ Beanie. She's not too bad.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness, I thought for sure that you would say something stupid like "Those Blue-eyed Black people are wearing Contacts" He, he.
Your post turns out to be quite tame comparatively.
Tame but still bullsh1t, and still Wrong!
You know quite well that genetically, White Europeans are predominately Dravidian Albinos from India.
Dravidian
Dravidian Albino
Dravidian
Dravidian Albino
I DID SAY "predominately" RIGHT?
I MEAN - THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN PRODUCE EUROPEANS! (Read; Whites/Albinos)
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
You know quite well that genetically, White Europeans are predominately Dravidian Albinos from India.
I've been suspecting this for a while now. Though I wouldn't go as far as to say "Dravidian".
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
I DID SAY "predominately" RIGHT?
I MEAN - THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN PRODUCE EUROPEANS! (Read; Whites/Albinos)
This is becoming rather clear, I mean some whites you look at their general shape and you see an "African" (West African stereotype) especially with regards to skull shape. Shout outs to Derkyperky Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BTW Lioness, as I recall, some time ago you commented on how could these new groups of Dravidian Albinos travel so far to their new homeland in Central Asia.
Well as you can see from the map below, it wasn't really very far at all.
And they certainly didn't have any trouble traversing that distance, when they returned to India to wreck vengeance.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
1) Mike when you say Dravidian you mean black people right?
2) Also you argue against your own theory when you posted this picture:
If you are arguing that the first Europeans were dark skinned as the above and if they can produce light skinned babies then who's to say that Europeans came from Asian Indians rather than the dark skinned people who were already living in the region?
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
Look at the main character in this clip (on the phone). That skull shape, well, it's more likely to be African than Asian in origin. I don't see Asians with that head shape at all actually.
Hmmm, well except this guy Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
hottoddi - Aside from Africa, India has the greatest NATURAL diversity of peoples on the planet.
Lioness - It never fails, the more desperate you become, the stupider your posts get.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
Just so we're all on the same page here, when we say "Asians" we're talking about OOA people who experienced MUTATIONS outside of Africa (i.e. why we don't call them Africans since as they currently are, they are not what they were when they left).
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Nobody said that they experienced mutations OUTSIDE of Africa. That makes no sense, there is no evidence of evolutionary change in modern man. That is not to say that there are no changes in motion, there might be, they just aren't visible.
Dravidians, Albinos, Mongols, etc. are indeed AFRICANS!
The changes that you see outside of Africa are due to ADMIXTURE, NOT evolution!
i,e. the reason that Whites are now a separate race, has nothing to do with evolution. That is simply a matter of one group with a similar disadvantage, grouping together for protection, and interbreeding. Thus only producing offspring with the same defect.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
What are you talking about? Not all Y-chromosome haplogroups evolved in Africa for instance.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The changes that you see outside of Africa are due to ADMIXTURE, NOT evolution!
ADMIXTURE with what?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by hottoddi: What are you talking about? Not all Y-chromosome haplogroups evolved in Africa for instance.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The changes that you see outside of Africa are due to ADMIXTURE, NOT evolution!
ADMIXTURE with what?
Mike's theory is that all light skinned people,many Chinese, Europeans etc. are the result of admixture with tribes of pure albinos who where born of black people who spoke Dravidian languages.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Originally posted by hottoddi: What are you talking about? Not all Y-chromosome haplogroups evolved in Africa for instance.........
I take it that upon reflection, you decided it was not a good question.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: BTW Lioness, as I recall, some time ago you commented on how could these new groups of Dravidian Albinos travel so far to their new homeland in Central Asia.
Well as you can see from the map below, it wasn't really very far at all.
And they certainly didn't have any trouble traversing that distance, when they returned to India to wreck vengeance.
A "hindu-aryan migration" is a contested theory in anthropology.
As the arrows in your map shows the theory shows an origin in Hindu Kush a 500-mile mountain range stretching between central Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. The languages spoken are Afghani and Iranian languages not Dravidian. Therefore, silly boy, a hindu aryan migration theory supports an invasion by non-Dravidians from the North into Indian regions which included the Dravidian regions
Alexander took these away from the Aryans and established settlements of his own, but Seleucus Nicator gave them to Sandrocottus (Chandragupta), upon terms of intermarriage and of receiving in exchange 500 elephants.[4] —Strabo, 64 BC–24 AD Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness, good try, but you know you don't have the er, "necessities" to really understand it well enough to explain it to others.
hottoddi - I just noticed your from; is that a fun goof, or is there a relationship?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness, good try, but you know you don't have the er, "necessities" to really understand it well enough to explain it to others.
hottoddi - I just noticed your from; is that a fun goof, or is there a relationship?
Mike we will have to take that as a loss, your Dravidian theory has just been debunked by your own Indo-Aryan migration, in a boomerang like fashion hitting you in the back of the head.
BTW,
Is this Hottentot a result of albinism??
He's from one of those regions farther from the equator, gee what a coincidence
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness - When you get like this (really stupid questions) you are really very fuching annoying!
Aryan invasion of India - circa 1,500 B.C.
Alexander - circa 325 B.C.
Strabo - circa 64 BC–24 AD
Do you see any connect between the above - idiot?
Europeans speak Indo-European languages. Do you know what the "Indo" stands for - idiot? Let me help you - INDIA - idiot!
Graduate Institute of Linguistics - Taiwan
Dravidian Language Family Nothing is known definitely about the origin of the Dravidian language family. Dravidian languages were first recognized as an independent family in 1816 by Francis W. Ellis, a British civil servant. The term Dravidian was first employed by Robert A. Caldwell, who introduced the Sanskrit word dravida (which historically meant Tamil) into his Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages (1856).
At present, speakers of the Dravidian languages are concentrated in the southern portion of India, while speakers of the Indo-Aryan language predominate in the northern portion of the country. A well-established hypothesis is that Dravidian speakers were originally spread across all of India. The Indo-Aryan languages were not native to India, rather they were introduced by Aryan invaders from the north. A form of Dravidian must have been spoken in northern India before the arrival of the Aryans. The replacement of the Dravidian by the Aryan languages was probably completed before the beginning of the Christian Era.
The Dravidian language family today includes 75 languages spoken by over 200 million people in southern India, Sri Lanka, certain areas of Pakistan and in Nepal. Tthe prevailing theory is that speakers of Dravidian languages split into Northern, Central, and Southern ancestral languages somewhere around 1,500 BC.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness - if your next post is as stupid as your last, that is the end of the conversation.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The Indo-Aryan languages were not native to India, rather they were introduced by Aryan invaders from the north. A form of Dravidian must have been spoken in northern India before the arrival of the Aryans.
Mike my reference to Alexander was an aside about a later period. I am well aware that he came far after the Aryan invasion, I should have made that clear. The thing that wrecks you even further is in your last reply here digging yourself deeper into your own hole (pun). How can you persist with this Dravidian albino theory when you have once again shown that the lighter skinned people were invaders who were not Dravidians?
Before you start attacking me you need to address this because your explanations are obviously in complete contradiction to each other.
Why the Hottentot are light skinned is another item you are sure to avoid because you have no explanation for it, it just doesn't fit your magical stories
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Quote: How can you persist with this Dravidian albino theory when you have once again shown that the lighter skinned people were invaders who were not Dravidians?"
Ah, where did anybody say that they were not Dravidians? Unless I missed something, the references were to language.
Before you get back to your usual stupidity; The timeframe between leaving India as Albino rejects, and the return as Aryans for vengeance, was about 38,000 years - according to genetics. Think about it before posting something stupid.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Sure, but Quaran Sura 18 has nothing to do with pre-historic man, the Caucasus mountains, the Sons of Canaan, leprosy, or the origin of white peoples. Except in al~Imam Issa's 'version' these ideas are unknown in al Islam.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Why bother refuting religious mythology adapted to physical anthropology?
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
Al Takruri's remarks above regarding no referencing group on the earth's surface having these same facial feature deviations only adds to the very possible validity of this cave theory, and certainly does nothing to refute it.
First, it may assist in re-enforcing the standard belief. Perhaps not. As you should recognize very well, there is some value in mythology.
Anthropology aspects of ALBINISM
Albinism represents a group of inherited abnormalities of the melanin pigment system in which the synthesis of melanin is absent or reduced, generalized (oculocutaneous albinism) or localised (ocular albinism). Recent molecular studies provide insight into the pathophysiological processes of pigmentation regulation and help our understanding of the genetic heterogeneity of human albinism. It rarely affects Europeans, frequently Africans, only a minority of Amerindians, who nevertheless, when an ethnic group is concerned, presents one of the highest incidence in the world.
Historically, the African albinos were used as an alibi by the European theologians to support Adam's descent of humanity and by naturalists to affirm the alleged superiority of the white men. Anthropological data are mainly issued from Amerindians with contradictories attitudes towards albinos: both acceptance and rejection. Only the Kuna of Panama have given albinos a major place in their mythology, although in reality they frequently reject them.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness - I can tell that to your simple mind, God gave the various peoples their languages, and they have spoken them ever since. That does not appear to be the case.
All language is originally African, because that is were man first assembled the various sounds into a standard vocabulary.
When man left Africa, he did not leave his language behind, he continued to use it, and expand upon it.
When different groups of humans came together, the result was ALWAYS a common COMPOUND language - NOT one language completely disappearing. Though the stronger group would have the predominance of carryover.
Thus when you study language groups, you will always see them begin with the prefix "Proto". That is the root of the language group, and it will always return to Africa.
Posted by arreubinsoni (Member # 12885) on :
quote:you saying Lioness is an Arab , , , eh , , Turk
no. not trying to diss or anything as such but just noticed the grammar was non-western
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Quote: How can you persist with this Dravidian albino theory when you have once again shown that the lighter skinned people were invaders who were not Dravidians?"
Ah, where did anybody say that they were not Dravidians? Unless I missed something, the references were to language.
Before you get back to your usual stupidity; The timeframe between leaving India as Albino rejects, and the return as Aryans for vengeance, was about 38,000 years - according to genetics. Think about it before posting something stupid.
I am going to have to inform Clyde and Melanin about this. You are now saying that white people are at least 38,000 years old.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by arreubinsoni:
quote:you saying Lioness is an Arab , , , eh , , Turk
no. not trying to diss or anything as such but just noticed the grammar was non-western
arreubinsoni - Nah, she's American. Likely from the southern regions; they all articulate like that. In the vernacular, they are known as "Trailer Trash" in reference to their living quarters.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
the lioness - Quote: "A "hindu-aryan migration" is a contested theory in anthropology."
Ditz; The "NATURE" of the Aryan invasion is contested. Some maintain (against the evidence) that it was a "Peaceful" migration.
Hindu - is the after-the-fact RESULT of the Aryan invasion. Hindus are Black/Aryan mix.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: the lioness - Quote: "A "hindu-aryan migration" is a contested theory in anthropology."
Ditz; The "NATURE" of the Aryan invasion is contested. Some maintain (against the evidence) that it was a "Peaceful" migration.
Hindu - is the after-the-fact RESULT of the Aryan invasion. Hindus are Black/Aryan mix.
what evidence?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Here are some excerpts from the Rig Veda (the Hindu Bible).
The Arian words for the original people were {Dasyus, Dasas and Simyus}.
a) He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters.
b) Sing, with oblation, praise to him who maketh glad, who with Rjisvan drove the dusky brood away.
c) Indra in battles help his Arian worshipper, he who hath hundred helps at hand in every fray, in frays that win the light of heaven. Plaguing the lawless he gave up to Manu's seed the dusky skin; Blazing, 'twere, he burns each covetous man away, he burns, the tyrannous away.
d) Strengthened by songs of praise thou rentest piecemeal the Dasa, him who deemed himself immortal. With us mayst thou, O Indra, waxen splendid, with Surya overcome the Dasa races.
e) Indra the Vrtra-slayer, Fort-destroyer, scattered the Dasa hosts who dwelt in darkness. {Prof. Uthaya Naidu translates this as "who sprang from a black womb."}
f) When in his arms they laid the bolt, he slaughtered the Dasyus and cast down their forts of iron.
g) His kine their Lord hath shown, e'en Vrtra's slayer, through the black hosts he passed with red attendants.
h) Active and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, Driving the black skin far away.
i) Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^^the interpretation, translation and usage of the word "black" as corresponding to modern definitions is disputable. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasa (racial interpretations section)
But it's a reasonable attempt at showing evidence. Your real problem is calling Arians Dravidian. That makes no sense.
Another problem is the fact that you are unable to explain the complexion of this "Hottentot" from South Africa, he doesn't seem to fit neatly into your albino trip.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ I wish you'd stop CLINGING to trivial samples you consider relevant but really meaningless. The South African poses no obstacle to the theory.
In fact, your inability to articulate why you feel this one picture is significant clearly indicates your ignorance. Simply pasting a picture spam in a post does not qualify as a valid rebuttal. Once again, stop wasting people's time with your mental laziness.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^Malanin, I've noticed that you have an an inability to make an argument. Above you have an African with less melanin skin, comparable if not lighter than this Southern Italian "white man":
. You saying "poses no obstacle" is no better than someone saying "this poses an obstacle" and unlike I, having nothing to back it with. It proves nothing.
And of course it does present a major obstacle to the theory of albino origins of white people,
not to mention contradicts Clyde's theory that Caucasians are the result of thousands of years of adaptation to shut-in dark cave environments. stop flapping your gums
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Stop your picture spamming and present your argument using scientific data you imbecile. Your personal opinions are valueless.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^Malanin, I've noticed that you have an an inability to make an argument. Above you have an African with less melanin skin, comparable if not lighter than this Southern Italian "white man":
. You saying "poses no obstacle" is no better than someone saying "this poses an obstacle" and unlike I, having nothing to back it with. It proves nothing.
And of course it does present a major obstacle to the theory of albino origins of white people,
not to mention contradicts Clyde's theory that Caucasians are the result of thousands of years of adaptation to shut-in dark cave environments. stop flapping your gums
Not really. You have to remember that the Bushman people were the Grimaldi, Cro-Magnon man. It was this population that went into the caves and became modern Europeans.
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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ That info has been posted at least 4 different times in at least 3 difference threads. Obviously, lioness feels she has additional info that refutes this fact.
Probably not. I expect she'll repost the same or similar picture spam before the end of week.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
here's some new photos for you my mellow,
peep the melanin levels and tell me what you find:
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
What's YOUR point other than simple minded trolling? Where is your scientific data to BEGIN to form a valid ARGUMENT? So far, you've picture spammed and asked me to form an opinion. Is this ALL that you are capable of? Sad! It's the same as waving a white flag.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: You have to remember that the Bushman people were the Grimaldi [/QB]
the case for that is theory extremely weak. There were only two Grimaldi skeletons ever found. The skulls of the two had rather tall braincases, unlike the long, low skulls found in Neanderthals and to a lesser extent in Cro-Magnons. The faces had wide nasal openings and lacked the rectangular orbitae and pronounced brow ridges so characteristic of Cro-Magnons. These traits, combined with what de Villeneuve interpreted as prognathism led the discoverers to the conclusion that the Grimaldi man had been of a "negroid" type Some traits however did not fit this picture . The nasal bones gave a high nasal bridge, like that of Cro-Magnons and modern Europeans and very unlike more tropical groups. The two rises of the frontal bone in the forehead was separate rather than forming a single median rise, another "European" trait.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: What's YOUR point other than simple minded trolling? Where is your scientific data to BEGIN to form a valid ARGUMENT? So far, you've picture spammed and asked me to form an opinion. Is this ALL that you are capable of? Sad! It's the same as waving a white flag.
it's a wrap, how easily your melanin theories are debunked, Melanin you're finished The complexion of many Khosians and Southern Italian Caucasians is non-controversial and obvious. Many have the same level of darkness of skin. Both are significantly lighter than equatorial Africans any exceptions of lighter equatorial Africans would be extremely rare. I'm sure everyone would agree with what I've just said because it is so obvious so there is no point in producing data for the part that is agreed on.
The problem is that the explanation for it, the "why" you can't explain.
It just doesn't fit into your melanin and albino magical theories. You can't explain the differences in skin tone within Africa, nor explain why the the Khosians are lighter than other Africans. You are at a loss.
I do have an explanation. But that is not what is being argued with you. You don't have an explanation, that's the point and because you don't your theory applied elsewhere falls apart.
Back to drawing board.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Have YOU presented an opposing argument? Not that I can see.
I've explained all the FACTUAL scientific data. Not my fault that your reading comprehension is below par. The diversity of Africa is no obstacle to the theory. In fact, it embellishes the possibility and makes it conceivable.
What Mike and Clyde has done is to offer additional variation on a central theme, none of which you are able to present a comprehensive and feasible argument.
Wave that white flag up high little kitten. You are simply years away from formulating any form of counter to either theory. I seriously doubt if you actually comprehend the basis of the Albinism theory at all, and you are just reacting to fear. Yes, I strongly suggest that you go back to the drawing board. AT this point, You can't touch this.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness - There is no such thing as a European "Trait". That implies that whatever it is, cannot be found anywhere else. Since we already know that Europeans are merely Black Albinos, common sense must tell even you that whatever trait you specify, will be found in Africans somewhere.
BTW - True to form, when you can't lie directly, you find material that will lie for you. How long did it take you to find those "Overexposed" San pictures?
And yes; the San, like any oppressed, exploited people, suffer the effects of "Unwanted" admixture. Note the lament of one such below.
N/Oakhoe survival in the face of development
Job Morris
My soul is empty. In it, there is no an ounce of life. I'm a corpse and do not respond when I'm called. My soul is nowhere to be found, where can I find the other one? I see my people with an enormous hunger, I see my people with no possession of valuables, I see them with no hope for a good future, I see a vast number uneducated, and I see a vast numbers of teenagers pregnant and fathers of the children unknown.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Let's save some time and make it clear that lighter skin is not to be confused with Albinism. Notice how each significant symptom of Albinism is carefully listed and on it's own, light brown skin tone is NOT one of the primary visual indicators of detection of Albinism.
Lioness, has once again proved her short term memory defect as well as extremely poor reading comprehension skills.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
BTW lioness - Are you REALLY trying to suggest that this OBVIOUS "MUTT" is a TYPICAL European Albino????
NO, NO, NO, NO, my dear:
THIS IS A TYPICAL EUROPEAN ALBINO.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
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Europeans are merely Black Albinos
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Melanin theories down the tubes
(tune: melanist/albinoist death march in D flat)
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: yes; the San, like any oppressed, exploited people, suffer the effects of "Unwanted" admixture
Mike stop lying you pulled that out of your ***
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Let's save some time and make it clear that lighter skin is not to be confused with Albinism. Notice how each significant symptom of Albinism is carefully listed and on it's own, light brown skin tone is NOT one of the primary visual indicators of detection of Albinism.
Lioness, has once again proved her short term memory defect as well as extremely poor reading comprehension skills.
MK - Lioness is well aware that Africa has the greatest "NATURAL" variations of skin color on the planet - including the Albinos.
Her trolling with bogus material, is merely a feeble attempt to avoid accepting the truth - she, like all of her kind are Albinos -or- like the young man above, mixed race Albinos.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: [qb] Let's save some time and make it clear that lighter skin is not to be confused with Albinism. Notice how each significant symptom of Albinism is carefully listed and on it's own, light brown skin tone is NOT one of the primary visual indicators of detection of Albinism.
Lioness, has once again proved her short term memory defect as well as extremely poor reading comprehension skills.
MK - Lioness is well aware that Africa has the greatest "NATURAL" variations of skin color on the planet - including the Albinos.
Mike I couldn't agree with you more, tell us how and why these variations of skin color in Africa occurred, thank you
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness - What on Earth does your last post mean?
I saw: Melanin theories down the tubes
and some other sh1t, but I have no idea what you are talking about.
You really wet your pants, didn't you?
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Lioness, YOU may have selective memory recall, but I don't. I recall your mentioning a few days ago that Africa has the highest incident rate of Albinism. You had hoped to somehow use that fact as some form of unthought out rebuttal, but of course, it didn't work. Therefore, it appears you are capable of answering your own question, in spite of your not doing so. Stop wasting time and spinning around in circles. Have you no life?
Mike, I believe the reality of whites being derived from Albinos has unnerved Lioness to the point of extreme denial and insanity.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Mike I couldn't agree with you more, tell us how and why these variations of skin color in Africa occurred, thank you
Ah, silly, silly, er stupid, stupid Lioness.
The point is that they are NATURALLY "PIGMENTED" people. COMPLETELY at HOME in the SUN!
NOT Albinos, who find the Sun DEADLY!
Therefore they are "NATURAL" to the Earth!
Why the "NATURAL" variations?
Who knows, certainly not I.
BTW - As with the Italian Mutt above: note the beauty of nature. Even though he derives from a line of defectives; with sufficient admixture from healthy people, he too is on his way to "Normalizing". Ain't nature beautiful?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
(note to mike, extremely rare "hispanic man")
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Lioness, YOU may have selective memory recall, but I don't. I recall your mentioning a few days ago that Africa has the highest incident rate of Albinism. You had hoped to somehow use that fact as some form of unthought out rebuttal, but of course, it didn't work. Therefore, it appears you are capable of answering your own question, in spite of your not doing so. Stop wasting time and spinning around in circles. Have you no life?
Mike, I believe the reality of whites being derived from Albinos has unnerved Lioness to the point of extreme denial and insanity.
MK on this basis you would argue that the above people are defective or semi-"defective"?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Mulatto
not a Mulatto, look at the hair Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Ha, Ha, Ha, Lioness - you are sooo LAME!
Ray Romano:
WITHOUT MAKEUP!!!!
WITHOUT "Spray-on-Tan"
LOOKS PRETTY "PINK" TO ME!!!
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Lionese You are generally incoherent and difficult to read. I often have to read between the lines to determine what it is you are really asking since your thoughts are so jumbled and unorganized.
What I believe you are attempting to ask me is; Based on the pictured you've spammed, do I believe the subjects are carriers of the OCA defect? As explained over a year ago, in many different threads, the number one method of testing for OCA abnormality is via visual inspection consisting of;
Mayo Clinic
Skin Although the most recognizable form of albinism results in milky white skin, skin pigmentation can range from white to nearly the same as parents or siblings without albinism .
For some people with albinism, skin pigmentation never changes. For others, melanin production may begin or increase during childhood and adolescence , resulting in slight changes in pigmentation. With exposure to the sun, some people may develop:
* Freckles * Moles, with or without pigment * Large freckle-like spots (lentigines) * The ability to tan * Highly sensitive to sunburns * Increased susceptibility to skin cancer
Hair Hair color can range from very white to brown. People of African or Asian descent who have albinism may have hair color that is yellow, reddish or brown. Hair color may also change by early adulthood.
Eye color Eye color can range from very light blue to brown and may change with age.
The lack of pigment in the colored part of your eyes (irises) makes them somewhat translucent. This means that the irises can't completely block light from entering the eye. Because of this translucence, very light-colored eyes may appear red in some lighting. This occurs because you're seeing light reflected off the back of the eye and passing back out through the iris again — similar to red eye that occurs in a flash photograph.
Vision Signs and symptoms of albinism related to eye function include:
* Functional Blindness * Decreased sharpness in vision (visual acuity) * Rapid, involuntary back-and-forth movement of the eyes (nystagmus) * Lazy Eye (Amblyopia) * Wandering eyes. Inability of both eyes to stay directed at the same point or to move in unison (strabismus) * Extreme nearsightedness or farsightedness * Sensitivity to light (photophobia) * Distortion of a viewed image (Astigmatism)
Other symptoms
Bleeding tendency Increased susceptibility to infections Problem with bowels Nervous system disorders Breathing problems due to Lung fibrosis Deafness[/B]
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: [QB] Lionese You are generally incoherent and difficult to read. I often have to read between the lines to determine what it is you are really asking since your thoughts are so jumbled and unorganized.
What I believe you are attempting to ask me is; Based on the pictured you've spammed, do I believe the subjects are carriers of the OCA defect? As explained over a year ago, in many different threads, the number one method of testing for OCA abnormality is via visual inspection consisting of;
Melaninking, would you argue that the above people are defective or semi-"defective"? Or are you going to hide behind a Euro Mayo clinic paste and refrain like a squirrel hiding behind a tree?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Bill Richardson was born in Pasadena, California. His father, William Blaine Richardson Jr. (died in 1972) of New England Yankee and Mexican descent, was an American Citibank executive who grew up in Boston, Massachusetts and lived and worked in Mexico City. His mother, María Luisa López-Collada Márquez is the Mexican daughter of a Spanish father from Villaviciosa, Asturias, Spain and a Mexican mother and was his father's secretary. Richardson's father was born in Nicaragua.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Bill Richardson was born in Pasadena, California. His father, William Blaine Richardson Jr. (died in 1972) of New England Yankee and Mexican descent, was an American Citibank executive who grew up in Boston, Massachusetts and lived and worked in Mexico City. His mother, María Luisa López-Collada Márquez is the Mexican daughter of a Spanish father from Villaviciosa, Asturias, Spain and a Mexican mother and was his father's secretary. Richardson's father was born in Nicaragua.
thanks, Mike notice the adaptation ability to summer weather:
Mike stop being ridiculous. There are multi millions of people that look like the above
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
MK - You know Lioness, she will be at this all night. Gurgitating and Regurgitating the same lame material, and the same stupid comments and questions.
As I see it, the only way to stop her, is to put something in her mouth, and put something in her hands to keep them busy.
Lets try to fix her up with anguish; kill two birds with one stone. There are devices for whatever he may be lacking.
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
Silly, I believe there is such a thing as the "excitement" factor.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
(Turk)
this indicates your failings
Posted by hottoddi (Member # 15917) on :
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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Lioness Using available visual cues, based on Mayo Clinic Symptom list, Which of these two women are more likely to possess OCA gene mutation?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
(Turk)
this indicates your failings
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Mike
Indeed. But she never gets what she wants
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Lioness Which of these two women are more likely to possess OCA gene mutation?
The woman with dark hair because she looks like she is of African descent and the OCA gene mutation is most common in people of African descent. Both types of albinism are more common in Blacks than in Whites
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
Diagnosis
In many types of albinism, the disorder can be diagnosed by observation of major or total absence of pigmentation of the hair, skin, and eyes. If needed, chemical testing of hair can provide an easy confirmation of the diagnosis. Because most types of albinism affect the eyes, certain eye tests (including an electroretinogram) are used to help confirm the diagnosis. For some types of albinism, DNA genetic testing can also be used to confirm the diagnosis.
While albinism is always apparent at birth, it may be so mild that affected persons are unaware of their diagnosis unless abnormal eye movements or vision develop
Symptoms may include:
* Eye problems, such as:
o Strabismus or crossed or wandering eye o Poor vision (which usually cannot be fully corrected with glasses or contacts) o In some cases, functional blindness o Nystagmus or irregular, rapid eye movement. o Amblyopia or “lazy” eye. o Photophobia–sensitivity to bright lights or glare
* Skin problems, including:
o Little or no pigmentation (resulting in extremely light or white skin) o Patches of low pigmentation (resulting in patches of extremely light or white skin) o Extreme sensitivity to sunburn o Very high susceptibility to skin cancer
* Hair problems, including: o White hair o Blond Hair
* Certain rare types of albinism, such as Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome, can cause other symptoms, including: o Bleeding disorders o Lung disease o Bowel disease o Infections o Hearing loss o Nervous system disorders o The common forms, Type 1 and 2 albinism are not associated with these more serious symptom .
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Lioness Which of these two women are more likely to possess OCA gene mutation?
The woman with dark hair because she looks like she is of African descent and the OCA gene mutation is most common in people of African descent. Both types of albinism are more common in Blacks than in Whites
He, he, lioness you are such a degenerate troll.
No dear, as per the symptoms MK posted. Er, it would be the girl with pale skin and Blond hair.
BTW - What is your source that Albinism is more common in Africans?
As I said before, quantifying the incidence of Albinism in Albinos is a fools errand. But I'm curious as to how White people handle that delicate, albeit foolish task.
Given the lack of life in the caves these first caucasians probably ate each other and suffered many bad things.
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