So if we see artwork in Egypt with people that have Blue Eyes, is that proof of European ancestry? What about Blonde and Red hair? Really?
Then explain to me these clearly Black African Nubians with Blue Eyes! All of them with Red and Blonde hair?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Okay, first of all I don't see any "blue" eyes. You are obviously color blind or something because all the Kushites portrayed have dark or really black painted eyes, and the three prostrating in the right have the paint of their eyes faded.
Second of all, it was explained to you before that Kushites dyed their hair red and blonde using various methods that are still employed to this day by Nilotic and other Africans. The red color for example likely comes from ocher while the 'blonde' dye likely comes from cow urine. Seriously, only Euronuts from the deepest depths of psychosis claim any of those men in the wall painting to be "cacasian". Hell, the sane Euronuts try to make wall paintings of the Egyptians themselves as either being 'Nubians' also or "darkened" over time.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
There is no doubt there are Africans with blue, green, grey eyes. Also blond, white, light brown hair. These are symptoms of albinism (OCA1, OCA2, OCA3). Today's Asians and Whites sprang from Africans displaying one or more of these physical characteristic.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
contacts? Not saying that black people don't have blue eyes
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
You all amaze me. You really do.
People w/blue eyes all share common ancester, a European:
"New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today." (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm).
"The mutations responsible for the blue eye color most likely originate from the neareast area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6–10,000 years ago" (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994).
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
We seem to recycle the same argument every yr or so. This topic was discussed already.
When many "true negroes" from sub-sahara was shown having blue eyes the thread went dead. . . .
can someone dig it up?
Again. Maybe nothing really developed in Europe except white skin. Even that was also developed in Asia (ie Chinese light skin).
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Let us try this again. Illiteracy abounds on this board:
"The mutations responsible for the blue eye color most likely originate from the neareast area or northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6–10,000 years ago" (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994).
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ The most believable part of this quote is, "LIKELY", and we all realise what that disclaimer actually means. The gene defect for eyed colored other than brown, originated in Africa some 20,000 years ago with the emergence of the OCA defect.
Eye color other than brown IS NOT an environmental adaptive trait, but a rather serious indication of REGRESSIVE genetic damage to the individuals DNA.
As they say; The eyes are the window to the soul. In this case, a direct indicator of melanin distribution throughout the body, and a direct indication that the individual is an OCA gene carrier as well.
Posted by *Dalia* (Member # 13012) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
contacts? Not saying that black people don't have blue eyes
I doubt it. Blue contacts on dark eyes look different, and they are usually easy to spot.
That girl in the picture looks amazing. Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Please provide the study to your claim, MelaninKing.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: The gene defect for eyed colored other than brown, originated in Africa some 20,000 years ago with the emergence of the OCA defect.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
I don't know if the truth guys at the front have 'faded' eyes. Just consider the colour of the skin and eyes have been preserved in both them and people behind them, so why would the eye's fade for them alone. I dunno, that doesn't seem probable.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Okay, first of all I don't see any "blue" eyes. You are obviously color blind or something because all the Kushites portrayed have dark or really black painted eyes, and the three prostrating in the right have the paint of their eyes faded.
Second of all, it was explained to you before that Kushites dyed their hair red and blonde using various methods that are still employed to this day by Nilotic and other Africans. The red color for example likely comes from ocher while the 'blonde' dye likely comes from cow urine. Seriously, only Euronuts from the deepest depths of psychosis claim any of those men in the wall painting to be "cacasian". Hell, the sane Euronuts try to make wall paintings of the Egyptians themselves as either being 'Nubians' also or "darkened" over time.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Okay, first of all I don't see any "blue" eyes. You are obviously color blind or something because all the Kushites portrayed have dark or really black painted eyes, and the three prostrating in the right have the paint of their eyes faded.
Second of all, it was explained to you before that Kushites dyed their hair red and blonde using various methods that are still employed to this day by Nilotic and other Africans. The red color for example likely comes from ocher while the 'blonde' dye likely comes from cow urine. Seriously, only Euronuts from the deepest depths of psychosis claim any of those men in the wall painting to be "cacasian". Hell, the sane Euronuts try to make wall paintings of the Egyptians themselves as either being 'Nubians' also or "darkened" over time.
Look closer Brother, the first Nubians that are bowing down have clearly BLUE eyes.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Please provide the study to your claim, MelaninKing.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: The gene defect for eyed colored other than brown, originated in Africa some 20,000 years ago with the emergence of the OCA defect.
I've posted this information with multiple links (CDC, Mayo, Int'l Albinism Org., Johns Hopins, etc.) many time on this board. Search for "ALBINO" and your understanding of who YOU are will drastically change. If you are open to TRUTH, it should also help you to understand, there is NO such thing as, RACE.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Currently genetic science tells us that Blue Eyes originate from true Caucasians as in from the Caucasus area.
Blacks that have Blue eyes have Caucasian genes.
This based on the latest evidence. Not my opinion.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
LOL!! You are a big fat joke. I give you scientific fact on the ancestor and origin of blue eyed people and blue eyes and you fucking talk about albinism? (LOL)!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Please provide the study to your claim, MelaninKing.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: The gene defect for eyed colored other than brown, originated in Africa some 20,000 years ago with the emergence of the OCA defect.
I've posted this information with multiple links (CDC, Mayo, Int'l Albinism Org., Johns Hopins, etc.) many time on this board. Search for "ALBINO" and your understanding of who YOU are will drastically change. If you are open to TRUTH, it should also help you to understand, there is NO such thing as, RACE.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
I provided the references to that but of course when the data does not support the Africentrists they will ignore it. A real pathetic lot they are. The psychosis of Afrocentrism is such that it must claim anything and everything to compensate for black impotance in society.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Currently genetic science tells us that Blue Eyes originate from true Caucasians as in from the Caucasus area.
Blacks that have Blue eyes have Caucasian genes.
This based on the latest evidence. Not my opinion.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
Blacks who have blue eyes are albino, or have a form of albinism. Blue eyes is not some kind of admixture variant type chance phenotype like a narrow nose or thin lips. Blue eyes are caused by a melanin defect triggered by a specific gene (OCA2). There is no other way you can get blue eyes but by a melanin deficiency. Full stop. So it has nothing to do with admixture with caucasians as blacks are born with blue eyes EVERY DAY in Africa, it's called albinism. However, in some cases the form of albinism is specific to the distribution of melanin to the eye's alone, and not all over.
This attempt by 'scientists' to insist that Black Africans (the fathers of all races) NEED European admixture to acquire something that is nothing more than a LACK of a chemical that they normally produce is ridiculous.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Currently genetic science tells us that Blue Eyes originate from true Caucasians as in from the Caucasus area.
Blacks that have Blue eyes have Caucasian genes.
This based on the latest evidence. Not my opinion.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
This right here makes it pretty clear that Afrocentrism is religious fanaticism. It has nothing to do w/science; it rejects science -- clearly seen in the quote bellow.
The study on blue eyes has nothing to do wtih Africans needing some admixture or some racial agenda. It is just a study on the origin of a physical trait. Unfortunately Afrocentrists think the world revolves around them.
quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes:
This attempt by 'scientists' to insist that Black Africans (the fathers of all races) NEED European admixture to acquire something that is nothing more than a LACK of a chemical that they normally produce is ridiculous.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: There is no doubt there are Africans with blue, green, grey eyes. Also blond, white, light brown hair. These are symptoms of albinism (OCA1, OCA2, OCA3). Today's Asians and Whites sprang from Africans displaying one or more of these physical characteristic.
I'm not denying that there are Africans with naturally light colored eyes or light colored hair, my initial response in this thread was to the thread author's claims about the picture he posted. It was a fact that Kushites dyed their hair no doubt using the same methods Nilotic and other east African people do to this day that come out with red and yellow colors. The blue eye thing is definitely non-existent in that painting. The eyes look more grayish than anything else and I don't know if the paint is faded or it was some purposeful artistic convention.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: LOL!! You are a big fat joke. I give you scientific fact on the ancestor and origin of blue eyed people and blue eyes and you fucking talk about albinism? (LOL)!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Please provide the study to your claim, MelaninKing.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: The gene defect for eyed colored other than brown, originated in Africa some 20,000 years ago with the emergence of the OCA defect.
I've posted this information with multiple links (CDC, Mayo, Int'l Albinism Org., Johns Hopins, etc.) many time on this board. Search for "ALBINO" and your understanding of who YOU are will drastically change. If you are open to TRUTH, it should also help you to understand, there is NO such thing as, RACE.
I understand you are attempting to enact an agenda here. That you are not too bright, and have little to no research capability, so here you are;
Symptoms and Signs of Oculocutaneous (know what this means?) Aalbinism
The different genetic forms have a variety of phenotypes. Type I (OCA1A) is classic tyrosinase-negative albinism; skin and hair are milky white, and eyes are blue-gray. Pigmentary dilution in OCA1B ranges from obvious to subtle. Type II has phenotypes with pigmentary dilution that ranges from minimal to moderate (means, something less than brown). Pigmented nevi and lentigines may develop if skin is exposed to the sun; some lentigines become large and dark. Eye color varies greatly. In type III, skin is brown, hair is rufous (reddish), and eye color can be blue or brown. In type IV, the phenotype is similar to that for type II. Those with ocular involvement may have decreased retinal pigmentation , leading to photophobia. In addition, nystagmus, strabismus, reduced visual acuity, and loss of binocular vision likely result from defective routing of the optic fibers.
If you think this is something negative, it's only because you haven't researched the effects of melanin depletion on formation of the brain and reproductive organs. Now that study is very enlightening on why there is such a diametrically opposed worldview between Whites (Albinos) and people of colors and why Jewish and Whites need artificial birthing methods such as artificial insemination and invitrol. Whenever you see one of these whites birthing sex/octupolets, it's due to using this artificial birth method. That's why Whites throughout history, have always attempted to steal black children. REPRODUCTION.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: research capability, so here you are;
Symptoms and Signs of Oculocutaneous (know what this means?) Aalbinism
The different genetic forms have a variety of phenotypes. Type I (OCA1A) is classic tyrosinase-negative albinism; skin and hair are milky white, and eyes are blue-gray.
WOW! Unbelievable! I am simply astounded at your poor reading ability. Symptom for OCA1A: Skin and hair are milky white, and eyes are blue-gray. Hey asswhipe, do you see anyone in that picture that fits that profile? NO. Which means that person in the photo does not have OCA1A gene. He has the OCA2, otherwise you would see someone in that pix with mily white hair and skin, including blue eyes. You sir, are what is called - EPIC FAIL.
quote: In type III, skin is brown, hair is rufous (reddish), and eye color can be blue or brown.
Person in photo does not fit the profile. Again, EPIC FAIL.
Sir, stay out of the business of reading research papers until you learn how to read properly.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Search some more, and finally, things may snap in place for you. Sometimes things take longer for some to absorb.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Usually when a person says to go search for the answer it means one thing - Defeat and retreat (well actually two things LOL). Ya lost Rock ya lost (LOL)!
Word of advice, do not impress your belief on to a written document. It leads to reading out of context. Didn't you ever take up a course in critical reading as an undergrad student?
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Search some more, and finally, things may snap in place for you. Sometimes things take longer for some to absorb.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
Recovering Alcoholic is a type I or type II:
Type I (OCA1A) is classic tyrosinase-negative albinism; skin and hair are milky white, and eyes are blue-gray.
Type II has phenotypes with pigmentary dilution that ranges from minimal to moderate (means, something less than brown).
Which one of these are you pinkarse, which one??
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
^Is that the best you can come up w/?
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: ^Is that the best you can come up w/?
You have already been debunked on Djhuti's thread.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
There was a much better thread than DJs. I am trying to find it.
There was a brotha with green eyes and all the la-la land people shut up whne they saw it and others.
Point is - As far as the origin of light eyes being European is BS.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Of course, in your alternate reality; the self-created reality of an Afro-loon, sure I was debunked. Now, come back to reality Jari-Ankhamun.
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: You have already been debunked on Djhuti's thread.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: black impotance in society.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Currently genetic science tells us that Blue Eyes originate from true Caucasians as in from the Caucasus area.
Blacks that have Blue eyes have Caucasian genes.
This based on the latest evidence. Not my opinion.
Shut the hell up! The last time I looked we have a Black president. The last thing anyone should say about Black people is impotect.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes: Blacks who have blue eyes are albino, or have a form of albinism. Blue eyes is not some kind of admixture variant type chance phenotype like a narrow nose or thin lips. Blue eyes are caused by a melanin defect triggered by a specific gene (OCA2). There is no other way you can get blue eyes but by a melanin deficiency. Full stop. So it has nothing to do with admixture with caucasians as blacks are born with blue eyes EVERY DAY in Africa, it's called albinism. However, in some cases the form of albinism is specific to the distribution of melanin to the eye's alone, and not all over.
This attempt by 'scientists' to insist that Black Africans (the fathers of all races) NEED European admixture to acquire something that is nothing more than a LACK of a chemical that they normally produce is ridiculous.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Currently genetic science tells us that Blue Eyes originate from true Caucasians as in from the Caucasus area.
Blacks that have Blue eyes have Caucasian genes.
This based on the latest evidence. Not my opinion.
Its not what multiple scientific reports on this mutation are saying. They are all saying, since 1996, that Blue eyed people have a common ancestor at 6 to10K years ago.
I personally doubt this but its one thing to doubt and its quite another to have evidence to back up that doubt.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Out of a million people 700,000 perform in similar fashion; it is called the average norm. Out of a million people, 1 person rises to the top; it is called a rare achievement. Don't flatter yourself dude.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Shut the hell up! The last time I looked we have a Black president. The last thing anyone should say about Black people is impotect.
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes:
There is no other way you can get blue eyes but by a melanin deficiency. Full stop. So it has nothing to do with admixture with caucasians as blacks are born with blue eyes EVERY DAY in Africa, it's called albinism. However, in some cases the form of albinism is specific to the distribution of melanin to the eye's alone, and not all over.
This attempt by 'scientists' to insist that Black Africans (the fathers of all races) NEED European admixture to acquire something that is nothing more than a LACK of a chemical that they normally produce is ridiculous.
Correct.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
We seem to recycle the same argument every yr or so. This topic was discussed already.
When many "true negroes" from sub-sahara was shown having blue eyes the thread went dead. . . .
can someone dig it up?
Don't know if it was this, but it also came up here:
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: There is no doubt there are Africans with blue, green, grey eyes. Also blond, white, light brown hair. These are symptoms of albinism (OCA1, OCA2, OCA3). Today's Asians and Whites sprang from Africans displaying one or more of these physical characteristic.
I'm not denying that there are Africans with naturally light colored eyes or light colored hair, my initial response in this thread was to the thread author's claims about the picture he posted. It was a fact that Kushites dyed their hair no doubt using the same methods Nilotic and other east African people do to this day that come out with red and yellow colors. The blue eye thing is definitely non-existent in that painting. The eyes look more grayish than anything else and I don't know if the paint is faded or it was some purposeful artistic convention.
Perhaps they are grayish. That is a possibility. Obviously I know that the hair is dyed. Actually that was the point of my thread which you obviously didn't get.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Out of a million people 700,000 perform in similar fashion; it is called the average norm. Out of a million people, 1 person rises to the top; it is called a rare achievement. Don't flatter yourself dude.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Shut the hell up! The last time I looked we have a Black president. The last thing anyone should say about Black people is impotect.
So you are that ignorant that you think this Black President rose to the top all by himself?
Look, don't be a shmuck and go read some actual history. Whereever Blacks have gone or have been taken they have risen to the top.
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Okay, first of all I don't see any "blue" eyes. You are obviously color blind or something because all the Kushites portrayed have dark or really black painted eyes, and the three prostrating in the right have the paint of their eyes faded.
Second of all, it was explained to you before that Kushites dyed their hair red and blonde using various methods that are still employed to this day by Nilotic and other Africans. The red color for example likely comes from ocher while the 'blonde' dye likely comes from cow urine. Seriously, only Euronuts from the deepest depths of psychosis claim any of those men in the wall painting to be "cacasian". Hell, the sane Euronuts try to make wall paintings of the Egyptians themselves as either being 'Nubians' also or "darkened" over time.
DJ I think Osirion has gone mildly insane over the past weeks. First The Egyptians are Tri Lankan, King Tut is Irish, Now he is seeing blue eyed Ethiopians. We should get the kid some help before he hurts himself.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Nah. That's not it. One of the poster from the La La land section posted it. TL, Tina Kamal and that chit chat(love and marriage) group were really into the thread. I think Ebony Allen posted the brotha with the green eyes. The same little girl from the thread you referenced was used.
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer:
quote:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman:
We seem to recycle the same argument every yr or so. This topic was discussed already.
When many "true negroes" from sub-sahara was shown having blue eyes the thread went dead. . . .
can someone dig it up?
Don't know if it was this, but it also came up here:
There is no other way you can get blue eyes but by a melanin deficiency. Full stop. So it has nothing to do with admixture with caucasians as blacks are born with blue eyes EVERY DAY in Africa, it's called albinism. However, in some cases the form of albinism is specific to the distribution of melanin to the eye's alone, and not all over.
This attempt by 'scientists' to insist that Black Africans (the fathers of all races) NEED European admixture to acquire something that is nothing more than a LACK of a chemical that they normally produce is ridiculous.
Correct.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
We seem to recycle the same argument every yr or so. This topic was discussed already.
When many "true negroes" from sub-sahara was shown having blue eyes the thread went dead. . . .
can someone dig it up?
Don't know if it was this, but it also came up here:
Your opinions are not science its faith.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Okay, first of all I don't see any "blue" eyes. You are obviously color blind or something because all the Kushites portrayed have dark or really black painted eyes, and the three prostrating in the right have the paint of their eyes faded.
Second of all, it was explained to you before that Kushites dyed their hair red and blonde using various methods that are still employed to this day by Nilotic and other Africans. The red color for example likely comes from ocher while the 'blonde' dye likely comes from cow urine. Seriously, only Euronuts from the deepest depths of psychosis claim any of those men in the wall painting to be "cacasian". Hell, the sane Euronuts try to make wall paintings of the Egyptians themselves as either being 'Nubians' also or "darkened" over time.
DJ I think Osirion has gone mildly insane over the past weeks. First The Egyptians are Tri Lankan, King Tut is Irish, Now he is seeing blue eyed Ethiopians. We should get the kid some help before he hurts himself.
Its Sri Lankan - and I only said that they remind me of Egyptians just like Ethiopians.
An Irish King Tut? No but I did say that in his lineage he might just have a Celtic ancestor.
And its Blue Eyed Nubians. Quite a few to this day actually.
But then there were Sea People that were brought into Nubia as captured prisoners. What happens to Blonde Blue Eyed European men who are prisoners of war in a place like Nubia? Perhaps they become part of the community? Have a family, etc. Maybe even become popular.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Modern day Nubian with Blue eyes:
Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
Your opinions are not science its faith.
crackpot, if they were so, this is what you'd be doing: refuting them.
And this is what you would NOT be doing, that you are now in fact doing: crying haplessly about them.
That's what I do: I refute things. Not mumble empty rhetoric, as if it holds some sort of currency just because you -- "Simon" -- "says so".
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
Kid from DARFUR - I am not even sure what color this is. Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Come on dude, Darfur? You mean to tell me w/all the news coverage on Darfur early 2000 and you ain't aware of its Arabization?
quote:Originally posted by astenb: Kid from DARFUR - I am not even sure what color this is.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
Blue eyes in an African is NO proof of European back migration, but could have been the result of; 1. Parent with latent OCA gene mating with another AFRICAN carrier (most likely) 2. Parent with latent OCA gene mated with full Albino. 3. Parent with latent OCA gene mated with European (least likely).
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
Another defeat and debunking of Afronut...lol
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Like I said, Bitch ass made nigger, she is not al albino in any of its forms.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Like I said, Bitch ass made nigger, she is not al albino in any of its forms.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
Yes, but we all know you and Hammer are stupid peas in a pod. There is a fixed sad reality in the world that is irrefutable; There are just some people in the world who cannot learn no matter how the lesson is presented.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Clown, you are the one claiming blue eyes is a form of ocular albinism. Go fvck yourself. I already proved to you that Ocular blue is different from normal blue. Normal blue eyes have pigmentation in the backwall of the iris. Ocular blue doesnt, you stupid piece of sh1t!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Like I said, Bitch ass made nigger, she is not al albino in any of its forms.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
Yes, but we all know you and Hammer are stupid peas in a pod. There is a fixed sad reality in the world that is irrefutable; There are just some people in the world who cannot learn no matter how the lesson is presented.
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Like I said, Bitch ass made nigger, she is not al albino in any of its forms.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
LOL, your presence here is to be defeated. What is this Six or seven defeats from the time you came here..lol.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Like I said, Bitch ass made nigger, she is not al albino in any of its forms.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Dude, are you on drugs? You post up info. that is irrelevent to the person in the photo. The person in the photo is not an Albino, you turd!
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: ^ Like me, he probably does not feel you are worth the effort of posting these medical FACTS again.
I believe you are a OCA-II Albino, so it really doesn't matter what we post. You'll be in denial up until you are diagnosed with melanoma.
Hey stupid, Please re-read my post. It does not say the blue eyed black women is an Albino. It says she is a CARRIER of the OCA defect. Hence the reason her eyes are blue. Only one defect creates blue eyes. Oculocutaneous Albinism
LOL, your presence here is to be defeated. What is this Six or seven defeats from the time you came here..lol.
I assume your reply was meant for Afro-albino by mis-assigned to me. Especially since I won this Albinism debate a year ago. It is irrefutable, which is why Afro-Albino has resorted to cussing and spitting. Denial is a motherhumper. LMAO!!
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
Melanin King Here clipping from the Article that Debunks Afronut..
Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.
The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.
"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.
The genetic switch is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 and rather than completely turning off the gene, the switch limits its action, which reduces the production of melanin in the iris. In effect, the turned-down switch diluted brown eyes to blue.
Further
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
Seems the Mainstream agrees with you and debunks Afronut!! AHHHHHHHH AHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Good work MK!!!
Oh and yes my earlier reply was for our Resident Pinata Afronut.
Hammer is officially too low for me to reply to him anymore. I suggest you all do the same. He has been here to long, Afronut should take his place as the resident Pinata...LOOOOL
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ There is absolutely no doubt of the Albinism reality. Long ago in Africa and around the world, there were only blacks and environmentally adapted lighter blacks. Then came a major cosmic event that irradiated the world with extreme UV bursts. These bursts managed to damage internal DNA of those who would become Africa's first non-colored peoples, leading to Albinism. At first, these albinos were viewed by the mainstream as "rare" and gifts of God. Some even worshipped. As time moved on and the Albino population grew, the "rarity" of "Whiteness" was lost and the mainstream also observed as these people became diseased and afflicted with major illnesses as, Skin Cancer, melanoma, and early death. This is where the Albino view was reversed by the mainstream and Albino status changed from "rare & Godly" to "diseased" and perhaps, damned. The mainstream in Africa began to discriminate against this Albino population, segregating them into camps, afraid of transmission of the disease. See Biblical account of "Lepers". Albino's wishing to escape Africa's high UV index and discrimination migrated to the colder climate and lower UV index of Europe. I imagine, the self esteem of these Albinos was very low, being viewed as "damned" and outside of the mainstream. Perhaps, this is when they started a "White is beautiful" campaign which ballooned into today's white superiority mindset.
Whites (Albinos) researchers are well aware of there Albino origins, and genetic defect. The whole primary purpose of the Human Gnome experiment is meant to discover a way to correct these mutated genes leading to Albinism. Without a cure, the only other method of correcting their mutation is to interbreed with non-albinos. Perhaps the original hebrews understood this and why one of their major commandments was; do not interbreed with non-hebrews. They knew that interbreeding with albinos would pass on the OCA defect.
This theory is plausible, and may also serve as a warning to blacks today as we regain what we originally were. Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
What a fucking idiot who can't read...
"If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down..."
Noraml blue eyes do not have the gene completely switched off for melanin production. This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
African Albinos; The Precusor to today's, white "race".
What major reason African Albinos were forced to leave African and migrate to a colder, less UV intense region? Albinism; The LEPERS of the Bible.
African Albino afflicted with fatal melanoma due to African UV exposure.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
redux
What a fucking idiot who can't read...
"If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down..."
Noraml blue eyes do not have the gene completely switched off for melanin production. This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
This illustration displays the affects of a low melanin density on development of the eye during early human fetus, carrying on into adulthood. The body having threshold lower then acceptable level is forced to re-wire the eye, and brain in an abnormal configuration.
The purpose of melanin in the eye is to protect the organ for radiation damage from incoming high energy particles. Normally, these radicals are captured and absorbed by heavily laced normal "brown" eyes, packed with melanin.
The OCA defect not only rewires the optic path and brain abnormally, but once exposed to sun light, the unprotected radicals penetrate the iris and cause severe damage to the organ which later in life greatly degrades eyesight (requires vision aid-glasses), and leads to eye diseases such as; Glucoma, cataracts, etc.
The primary detection method for Albinism is the EYE, thus the "O" in OCA stands for OCULAR. Early signs of OCA can be found in children who will require the use of seeing aids (glasses) early in life with eyesight measured in the 40/80 range.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Sorry dude but your flood of irrelevent posts is not going to drown out the truth -
Noraml blue eyes do not have the gene completely switched off for melanin production. This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Things to make you go hmmmm!! Maybe I have to re-think this. So Europeans may be "partial" Alibinos. The gene is NOT COMPLETELY turned off.
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: ..
Further
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
. . . Afronut should take his place as the resident Pinata...LOOOOL
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Things to make you go hmmmm!! Maybe I have to re-think this. So Europeans may be "partial" Alibinos. The gene is NOT COMPLETELY turned off.
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: ..
Further
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
. . . Afronut should take his place as the resident Pinata...LOOOOL
Albinism comes in a multitude of flavors. Appearances may be milky white skin, to pink skin that slightly tans. Albinos may also even be brown skinned. Albinism is not merely the display of low levels of melanated skin, but also a severely compromised immunity system. Meaning the body is unable to repair damage done by solar radiation.
Dark African afflicted with fatal melanoma Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Things to make you go hmmmm!! Maybe I have to re-think this. So Europeans may be "partial" Alibinos. The gene is NOT COMPLETELY turned off.
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: ..
Further
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
. . . Afronut should take his place as the resident Pinata...LOOOOL
True, not saying I think whites are comlete Albinos but I think they adapted to the colder enviroments. Maybe why you see whites with Tan skin, black hair and blue eyes.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Fool: "normal" blue eyes is an oxymoron. Blue eyes are a RECESSIVE trait due to autosomal inheritance of defective genetics.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
You are an idiot. Blue eyes is a normal trait found in humanity you stupid idiot. Brown eyes is a normal trait. Green eyes is a normal trait. They are not disorders idiot. Since when recessive genes become defective? Did you know the gene responsible for autism is dominant, HUH?! I guess it aint defective in your twisted world of logic, you dumb ignorant uneducated fool. I am really starting to get sickened by your ignorance.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing: Fool: "normal" blue eyes is an oxymoron. Blue eyes are a RECESSIVE trait due to autosomal inheritance of defective genetics. [/QB]
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
That is the thing. A lot of those admiring the blues eyes don't even realize it is a genetic defect. It has to be double recessive to show. Just as pale colorless skin easily leads to diseases. One of natures most abundant resource(The Sun) is poses a risk to them.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Fool: "normal" blue eyes is an oxymoron. Blue eyes are a RECESSIVE trait due to autosomal inheritance of defective genetics.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
I cant even get myself to respond to this total ignorance. You guys are worse than stormfront. Your racial ignorance has dumbed you down to the point of no return.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] That is the thing. A lot of those admiring the blues eyes don't even realize it is a genetic defect. It has to be double recessive to show. Just as pale colorless skin easily leads to diseases. One of natures most abundant resource(The Sun) is poses a risk to them.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Things to make you go hmmmm!! Maybe I have to re-think this. So Europeans may be "partial" Alibinos. The gene is NOT COMPLETELY turned off.
quote:Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: ..
Further
If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.
. . . Afronut should take his place as the resident Pinata...LOOOOL
True, not saying I think whites are comlete Albinos but I think they adapted to the colder enviroments. Maybe why you see whites with Tan skin, black hair and blue eyes.
No. Some Albinos may tan, have black hair, and even brown eyes. Albinism is more than merely white skin and bad eyes. Albinism also affects the immunity system and impair it's ability to repair damaged cell and DNA. You have to comprehend that melanin is the MOST key component to generation from birth to protecting a human being. For example; Normal humans have an abundance of melanin and are therefore formed properly during pregnancy. The skin is coated with melanin to protect from exposure to free radicals. The brain is laced with melanin to transmit neural activity. The reproductive organs are encased in a shell of melanin to protect it from damage from high energy free radicals. DNA strands are encased in melanin to protect from damage from free radicals. As a melanin molecule captures a free radical, the energy from it's capture is partly converted to Vitamin D, while the majority of it's energy is radiated into heat. If a melanin molecule absorbs above it's designed threshold of energy becoming damaged in the process, our immunity system is capable of repairing the molecule. This repair mechanism is impaired or completely compromised in albinos, and instead of repair, albinos will get sun burn which advances to melanoma. Whites will refute with; But blacks are subject to getting melanoma. so, that's crap.
Yes, some "admixed" blacks are prone to melanoma. However, because these blacks have "working" immunity systems, the damage is repaired and the melanoma is non-fatal. In whites and Albinos, melanoma is fatal due to their non-functioning immunity systems. See Jabowski on compromised European immunity system.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
I will say that recovering Afro-Holic is making a big mistake in trying to prove a negative. That negative is that the mutation that causes blue eyes never happened outside of this common ancestor theory that is being presented by various scientific reports.
Let me help, the reports are not scientific because they are making an assumption. That assumption has a huge margin of error. All we need to do to debunk this is to find this mutation in an individual that is not inherited but occurred randomly.
Since that has not been found I will hold my peace.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: That is the thing. A lot of those admiring the blues eyes don't even realize it is a genetic defect. It has to be double recessive to show. Just as pale colorless skin easily leads to diseases. One of natures most abundant resource(The Sun) is poses a risk to them.
quote:Originally posted by MelaninKing:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: This is why it behooves you to know the difference bet. ocular blue and normal blue. In normal blue, melanin is found in the backwall of the iris. That is not the case with ocular blue. No melanin is produced in the back or front wall of the iris.
Fool: "normal" blue eyes is an oxymoron. Blue eyes are a RECESSIVE trait due to autosomal inheritance of defective genetics.
Exactly! The IDEAL eye color is BLACK (Dark brown). The lighter the eye color, the more DEFECTIVE the optic organ and closer the person is to being an OCA1 candidate.
The eyes are the window of the soul. Interesting that the soul is said to reside in the pineal gland which has the highest concentration of melanin in the human body. Well, in "normal" humans. In whites and Albinos, the melanin density is very low to none. So, in theory, the higher the melanin density the greater the soul, and vice versa. Can anybody say; Soul music. A term created by white (Albino) exploiters.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
There is more strength to a well built hypothesis than an empty hand. You have nothing. I have an actual study. You are correct to hold your peace.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I will say that recovering Afro-Holic is making a big mistake in trying to prove a negative. That negative is that the mutation that causes blue eyes never happened outside of this common ancestor theory that is being presented by various scientific reports.
Let me help, the reports are not scientific because they are making an assumption. That assumption has a huge margin of error. All we need to do to debunk this is to find this mutation in an individual that is not inherited but occurred randomly.
Since that has not been found I will hold my peace.
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I will say that recovering Afro-Holic is making a big mistake in trying to prove a negative. That negative is that the mutation that causes blue eyes never happened outside of this common ancestor theory that is being presented by various scientific reports.
Let me help, the reports are not scientific because they are making an assumption. That assumption has a huge margin of error. All we need to do to debunk this is to find this mutation in an individual that is not inherited but occurred randomly.
Since that has not been found I will hold my peace.
Much more than conjecture. I am simply correlating validated medical and historic facts into a larger theory. Each one of these medical facts regarding whites and albinism may be easily validated. In fact, the leading article already validates it. They consistently state "OCA", but attempt to avoid connecting OCA with what it truly is, Albinism. What part of OculoCutaneous Albinism, do you guys fail to understand?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Maybe I spoke too soon. Got to research this some more.. . . .
Eye colors can range from the most common color, brown, to the least common, green. Rare genetic mutations can even lead to unusual eye colors: black, red, or the appearance of violet. Eye color is an inherited trait influenced by more than one gene.[9][10] These genes are being sought using associations to small changes in the genes themselves and in neighboring genes. These changes are known as single nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs. The actual number of genes that contribute to eye color is currently unknown, but there are a few likely candidates. A study in Rotterdam (2009) found that it was possible to predict the color of eyes with more than 90% accuracy for brown and blue, using just six SNPs (from six genes). [11]
The gene OCA2 (OMIM: 203200), when in a variant form, causes the pink eye color and hypopigmentation common in human albinism. (The name of the gene is derived from the disorder it causes, oculocutaneous albinism type II.) Different SNPs within OCA2 are strongly associated with blue and green eyes as well as variations in freckling, mole counts, hair and skin tone. The polymorphisms may be in an OCA2 regulatory sequence, where they may influence the expression of the gene product, which in turn affects pigmentation.[8] A specific mutation within the HERC2 gene, a gene that regulates OCA2 expression, is partly responsible for blue eyes.[12] Other genes implicated in eye color variation are: SLC24A4 [13] and TYR.[13]
Blue eyes with a brown spot, green eyes and gray eyes are caused by an entirely different part of the genome. As Eiberg said: "The SNP rs12913832 [of the Herc2 gene] is found to be associated with the brown and blue eye color, but this single DNA variation cannot explain all the brown eye color variation from dark brown over hazel to blue eyes with brown spots." Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
^ It is, what it is. Whites (albinos) have flipped the script on people of color to mislead them to believing "Color" is the exception when in fact it is "Whiteness" which is the abnormal and defective state. Meanwhile, they dump trillions into the study od Albinism and how to eventually treat it with Genetic manipulation.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@ Euro-nut. I am outer here!!! but. . . Racist???
Medical:
Those with lighter iris color have been found to have a higher prevalence of age-related macular degeneration (ARMD) than those with darker iris color;[49] lighter eye color is also associated with an increased risk of ARMD progression.[56] .
Do you want me to post on skin I believe MK has done that already. You are really the board Pinata!!!! Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Do you self a favor, learn the difference bet. normal blue eyes and ocular blue eyes. At this pt., I'm fed-up explaining the difference. If you are really interested in knowing, go to the thread - dummies101: difference bet. normal blue eyes and ocular blue eyes and educate yourself.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @ Euro-nut. I am outer here!!! but. . . Racist???
Medical:
Those with lighter iris color have been found to have a higher prevalence of age-related macular degeneration (ARMD) than those with darker iris color;[49] lighter eye color is also associated with an increased risk of ARMD progression.[56] .
Do you want me to post on skin I believe MK has done that already. You are really the board Pinata!!!!
Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Maybe I spoke too soon. Got to research this some more.. . . .
Eye colors can range from the most common color, brown, to the least common, green. Rare genetic mutations can even lead to unusual eye colors: black, red, or the appearance of violet. Eye color is an inherited trait influenced by more than one gene.[9][10] These genes are being sought using associations to small changes in the genes themselves and in neighboring genes. These changes are known as single nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs. The actual number of genes that contribute to eye color is currently unknown, but there are a few likely candidates. A study in Rotterdam (2009) found that it was possible to predict the color of eyes with more than 90% accuracy for brown and blue, using just six SNPs (from six genes). [11]
The gene OCA2 (OMIM: 203200), when in a variant form, causes the pink eye color and hypopigmentation common in human albinism. (The name of the gene is derived from the disorder it causes, oculocutaneous albinism type II.) Different SNPs within OCA2 are strongly associated with blue and green eyes as well as variations in freckling, mole counts, hair and skin tone. The polymorphisms may be in an OCA2 regulatory sequence, where they may influence the expression of the gene product, which in turn affects pigmentation.[8] A specific mutation within the HERC2 gene, a gene that regulates OCA2 expression, is partly responsible for blue eyes.[12] Other genes implicated in eye color variation are: SLC24A4 [13] and TYR.[13]
Blue eyes with a brown spot, green eyes and gray eyes are caused by an entirely different part of the genome. As Eiberg said: "The SNP rs12913832 [of the Herc2 gene] is found to be associated with the brown and blue eye color, but this single DNA variation cannot explain all the brown eye color variation from dark brown over hazel to blue eyes with brown spots."
I agree with this, it means that Blue eyes and Green Eyes are connected with OCA2
Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
I forget to mention my source for the Optic wiring diagrams posted above comparing "normal" to Albino Optic and brain wiring.
The International Center For Study Of Albinism.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: There is more strength to a well built hypothesis than an empty hand. You have nothing. I have an actual study. You are correct to hold your peace.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I will say that recovering Afro-Holic is making a big mistake in trying to prove a negative. That negative is that the mutation that causes blue eyes never happened outside of this common ancestor theory that is being presented by various scientific reports.
Let me help, the reports are not scientific because they are making an assumption. That assumption has a huge margin of error. All we need to do to debunk this is to find this mutation in an individual that is not inherited but occurred randomly.
Since that has not been found I will hold my peace.
Consider what these reports on Blue eyes are saying. Over a period of 10K years, this mutation that causes Blue eyes occurred only once. Consequently, everyone that has Blue eyes inherited this condition from this single individual some 10K years ago.
One thing is for sure, if Blue eyes are that rare they certainly would be of religious significance. Indeed, Blue eyed people would have been used in many religious ceremonies and traditions. They would form a priestly caste and be revered.
Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
Your statement shows me that you are not at all acquained with ancient religious writings and artifacts. In ancient hebreac writings, the sign that a new born was a child of the gods was light colored eyes (as well as white skin). Some of the reliefs of the gods of persia are depicted with blue eyes. Lapis Lazuli busts from ancient babel have blue eyes.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: One thing is for sure, if Blue eyes are that rare they certainly would be of religious significance. Indeed, Blue eyed people would have been used in many religious ceremonies and traditions. They would form a priestly caste and be revered.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: Your statement shows me that you are not at all acquained with ancient religious writings and artifacts. In ancient hebreac writings, the sign that a new born was a child of the gods was light colored eyes (as well as white skin). Some of the reliefs of the gods of persia are depicted with blue eyes. Lapis Lazuli busts from ancient babel have blue eyes.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: One thing is for sure, if Blue eyes are that rare they certainly would be of religious significance. Indeed, Blue eyed people would have been used in many religious ceremonies and traditions. They would form a priestly caste and be revered.
Even as far away as China. No, I am quite aware of Blue eyes and their depiction in ancient times.
Hard to believe it all comes from a single individual 10K years ago.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
Or seen as a dark omen and hunted. It works both ways unfortunately.
quote:Originally posted by osirion:
quote:Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic: There is more strength to a well built hypothesis than an empty hand. You have nothing. I have an actual study. You are correct to hold your peace.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: I will say that recovering Afro-Holic is making a big mistake in trying to prove a negative. That negative is that the mutation that causes blue eyes never happened outside of this common ancestor theory that is being presented by various scientific reports.
Let me help, the reports are not scientific because they are making an assumption. That assumption has a huge margin of error. All we need to do to debunk this is to find this mutation in an individual that is not inherited but occurred randomly.
Since that has not been found I will hold my peace.
Consider what these reports on Blue eyes are saying. Over a period of 10K years, this mutation that causes Blue eyes occurred only once. Consequently, everyone that has Blue eyes inherited this condition from this single individual some 10K years ago.
One thing is for sure, if Blue eyes are that rare they certainly would be of religious significance. Indeed, Blue eyed people would have been used in many religious ceremonies and traditions. They would form a priestly caste and be revered.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Melaninking..not to be overly critical but.. don't you think some of your pics are over-kill.. especially the last one?..we got It the 1st couple o times...
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