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The following catacomb depiction predates the "Black Madonna" of Europe by centuries. This is how the early church originally depicted Mary Holy mother and the son of God. There is no 'Black' skin for Afrocentrists to seize upon and use as their Trojan Horse to black-wash history.
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AswaniAswad is laughing because you are such an ignorant loooooser. Here is something for you and bettyboo to ponder.
This fresco of Christ Among the Apostles is in an arcosolium of the Crypt of Ampliatus in the Catacombs of St. Domitilla in Rome.
The Catacombs of Domitilla date from the 2nd through 4th centuries. According to W.F. Volbach, "The extent to which the type of the apostolic group as been developed suggests a 4th-century origin" for this particular fresco.
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Mike, I am scratching my head trying to figure out - what did you think you would accomplish by posting that up? But then I realized, I AM DEALING WITH AN AFRONUT!
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Actually the point is that there is no actual evidence of a Jesus Christ and therefore it doesn't matter what the paintings look like.
It doesn't prove anything about what Jesus looked like one way or the other.
Find some bones and then we can discuss what he looked like.
But as far as the HISTORY of religion goes and the HISTORY of the people of the so-called Middle East, there are a whole lot of FACTS pointing to a STRONG connection to Africa from time immemorial. This includes African influence on the Mediterranean and Europeans. The worship of Isis by the Romans is a perfect example of this and this worship lasted RIGHT UP until the early times of Christianity. The Isis myth and the legends of Ausar(Osiris), Auset(Isis) and Heru (Horus) have many strong parallels to the Christ myth even if they aren't exactly the same. The Egyptian trinity was man, woman and child as the BASIC BUILDING BLOCK of divine creation in humans, with the divine being the spark of (the divine) conscious that is born in the flesh. The Egyptians also had a concept of immaculate conception, by which the pharaohs were "born of the gods" and hence each had their own scenes of "immaculate conception" by which their mother was impregnated by the god (without intercourse). Such scenes can be found at Karnak temple. The holy trinity was paraded throughout Egypt at various times of the year, which were important parts of the calendar cycle calculated and tracked via "the hours" of the day by the priests. These and other concepts from other cultures form the background in which Christian theology was birthed. But the main difference was that the king was considered as the symbol of the divine manifestation of "the gods" and leader of the flock, more or less a fusion of pope and king in one being. They did not look at their images of the gods, even in human form, as being literal people, whereas Christianity REQUIRES a belief in Jesus Christ in the flesh. Nevertheless the symbolic parallels between Christ and other religious figures are striking.
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True, there is no physical evidence of Jesus as an actual person. That said, it doesn't take away from the point in relation to cultural statement, raised about the Black Madonna here [not that this last point is responding to anything said above].
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: AswaniAswad is laughing because you are such an ignorant loooooser. Here is something for you and bettyboo to ponder.
This fresco of Christ Among the Apostles is in an arcosolium of the Crypt of Ampliatus in the Catacombs of St. Domitilla in Rome.
The Catacombs of Domitilla date from the 2nd through 4th centuries. According to W.F. Volbach, "The extent to which the type of the apostolic group as been developed suggests a 4th-century origin" for this particular fresco.
Mike111, your such a treasure. Please read Frank Snowden's Blacks in Antiquity (1971).
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The relevant history to the origin of the white Jesus is the following, I believe.
There was a time no whites were in either Italy nor North Africa. Near 2000 BC in Africa and 1000 BC in Italy, nomadic groups started to arrive from the north.
By 800 BC, the AFRICAN: aka African /Negro/Semites /Hebrews/ Phoenicians / Jews had well-settled certainly Africa and Europe when the white groups started arriving and displacing them.
From the new white settlers came the ancestors of today's Italians, Romans, Julius Caesar, Christians, and Catholics - but that population was wholly different from the African population, including those of them who were the early Christians.
Persecuted in Rome, over the centuries following Christ, whites also slowly became Christians and from them came the portrayals of the white Christ, disciples, and saints who prior to that were wholly African.
Some anecdotal information is that while portrayals of Christ et. al. were numbered in among the earliest characterizations, by the 5th century, they were few and far between. By the end of the Middle Ages (this applies to the black Madonnas, too), there were none in Europe.
That is my take on the situation.
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People may be wondering how Africans / Negroes / Semites (the first Hebrews/Semites/Canaanites/Jews were African) reached Europe.
By boat.
Here are examples of the prehistoric log boats found in Africa but also in England (ancestors of Celts) and I'd venture Italy, Spain, Portugal and so on.
Africans who'd be among the earliest to populate Europe (and also the early Coptic Christians from Egypt) arrived in these types of boats:
Above is more physical evidence of Africans populating Europe carrying iconography, Christianity and the iconography of Isis transformed to Madonna to Europe.
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More physical evidence that it was Africans who established the nation-states of the Roman Republic prior to the arrival of whites.
What you see below is described as a model of the village the founder of Rome, Romulus, dwelt in in the 8th century BC. These are just like African villages you can find even today.
I was born in Liberia and in the village we lived next to in Cuttington, they had homes made of thatched roofs and wattle just like in the picture above.
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This thread is about the early depiction of the Madonna. My posts have been relevant in the sense that I have tried to show physical evidence found in both Africa and Europe (trying to focus on Rome where the Christian Madonnas first appeared.
Here is the next evidence. The earliest Senates (Senate means gathering of elders) used to take place in the market place where elders brought their stools. That was the first Roman Senate.
Here is what you find in Africa even today. Elders meeting in the market place on stools.
More evidence the religions of Africa (Hebraism, Christianity and its metamorphosis, Catholicism) were carried to Europe and form the foundation for European religions today.
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