Diop states: “ It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
NOW FOR THE FIVE MUMMIES OF THE 18TH DYNASTY
“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King”2001 El Mahdy)
“Furthermore, both Tutankhamun and the body in question were blood group A2, with the serum antigen MN, all suggesting close consanguinity” (“Ancient Egyptian Medicine” 2002 Nunn)
“An X-ray examination of the mummy of Tutankhamun in the Valley of the Kings revealed a striking resemblance to the mummy from Tomb 55, now believed to be that of Smenkhkare. Both have the same blood group, and may very well have been brothers. (“The Remains Of Tutankhamun” Antiquity 46, 1972 Harrison, Abdallah)
“A new serological micromethod has been used to show that the XVIIIth dynasty pharaohs Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen both belong to the same blood groups A2 and MN.” (“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by Serological Micromethod: Microdetermination of Blood Group Substances in Ancient Human Tissue” October 1969; Nature )
“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by serological micromethod. Nature 224: 325-6. R.C. Connolly and R.G. Harrison” (“Ancient Egypt Materials And Technology” 2000 Nicholson, Shaw)
“Tissues from the mummies of Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III were examined and it is argued that queen Tiy may have demonstrated the blood group A2B and Sitamun her daughter A2MN, the same as Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare.” (“Serological Evidence For the Parentage O Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare” 1976 Harrison, Connolly)
“The results of these investigates demonstrate that all three mummified remains are group A and by differential exclusion A2. Amenophis III, in addition was shown to be group M, whereas both Yuya and Thuya were group N.” (“Journal Of Egyptian Archaeology Volume 62” 1976 Egypt Exploration Fund)
“All three samples were blood group A – specifically A2– but in the MNS system Amenhotep III’s blood group was M, while Yuya’s and Thuya’s were both group N. As their daughter, Tiye’s combined blood group would have been A2N. Her children by Amenhotep III would have been A2MN – and this means that Amenhotep and Tiye could have been Tutankhamen’s parents, as this was his blood group… Their daughter Sitamun’s blood group would also have been A2MN – so Tutankhamen could have inherited his blood group from her. It’s equally likely statistically. Not being able to get a definitive answer was disappointing – but working out Queen Tiye’s and Sitamun’s blood groups may prove useful for identification purposes if more female bodies are discovered.” (“Kinship of Smenkhare and Tutankhamen demonstrated serologically” 1969 Harrison, Connolly & Abdalla)
According to Microbiologist Scott Woodward, analysis of mummies spanning an 8-generation period in the 18th Dynasty revealed a "very narrow gene pool," and that there was no intermarriage outside of the royal family. [He] has taken genetic samples from 27 high-profile royal mummies and 500 lesser-known mummies stored at Cairo's Egyptian Museum. (“A History Of DNA Testing On Egyptian New Kingdom Royals” 2002 Charles Pope)
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“I [Robert Conolly] studied one of the mummies, the larger one, back in 1979 (and) determined the blood group data from this baby mummy and compared it with my 1969 blood grouping of Tutankhamun...The results confirmed that these larger foetuses could indeed be the daughter of Tutankhamen,” he added…. Since these two foetuses were found in the tomb of Tutankhamen, there is no reason to think that they were other than his offspring, a matter supported by my 1979 blood group studies.” (“Zeenews.com” Thursday, August 21, 2008 DNA tests on foetus mummies)
Choke on it niggers! Diopshits is rolling over in his corrupted grave. You have been disqualified from any further discussion, eject yourselves - keep your word.
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
Yawn...
Once again, they had disappointed der Fuehrer...
"Verflucht Blutgruppe Forschung! Inkompetenten Narren! Wo sind die reinen Weißen? Wo ist der "Todesstoß"?
Accursed blood group research! Imcompetent fools! Where are the pure whites? Where is the "death blow"?
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Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
LMAO there is no end in site to what the racist Afrocentrics will do. Now they want to claim they are A2 m/n. LMAO I KNEW they would pull this stunt. If you cant beat YT, pretend to be YT.“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)[/color]SO now nigger wants to pretend niggers have high A2 of m/n antigen. Never mind they dont, and never mind Tut was classified as a Caucasian and not a nigger.1964, 1967 Now those are OLDER than MY sources nigger.Sickle cell is not an accurate indication of Negroid admixture. "African admixture in Sicily has been long suspected because of the presence of the sickle gene. Nevertheless, the degree of African admixture cannot be derived from the study of HbS frequency, since this gene was most likely expanded by the selective pressure of malaria, for a long time endemic to the region. We have examined 142 individuals from the Sicilian town of Butera (12% sickle trait) to search for other markers of the globin gene cluster less likely to be selected for by malaria. The TaqI polymorphism in the intervening sequences between the two gamma genes is informative. We have found only two instances of this African marker (TaqI(-)) among 267 normal chromosomes, demonstrating that the admixture occurred at a much lower level than previously thought."Ragusa et al (1992) Presence of an African Beta-globin Gene Cluster Haplotype in Normal Chromosomes in Sicily. Am J Hematol; 40:313-315and"The sickle-cell trait cannot be used for that purpose [a tracer of African ancestry]. Even the assumption that the occasional sickle-cell trait carrier found in Italy and Greece must have inherited the gene from an African forebear can no longer be maintained."H Lehmann (1953) Man, The Sickle-Cell Trait: Not an Essentially Negroid Feature. 53:9-101953 is old but the 1992 study confirms it. And if Whites were a thoroughly mongrelized race, then Whites would look like a thoroughly mongrelized race."Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown..."
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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The gentleman who began this thread identifies himself aristocratically as J. Philippe Rushton.
The J. Philippe Rushton persona starting to post (24 Oct 2009), and with just 47 posts began heavily contributing about the same time the honorable Dirk8 began tapering off.
I’d say the rivited attention they focus on trying to discredit blacks; the use of the same type of passionate denunciation; the same or similar word-choice makes them one-in-the-same.
They are great entertainment and I for one would like to see more from them. Their comments are not only educational but great fun.
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Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^ Indeed, and they are easily debunked, using their own sources:
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
You dumb cluck. Do you just realize you shot yourself again with your own source? the vaunted A2 blood type makes up only a minor frequency of Type A, chiefly among outlier populations like Lapps, Blackfoot Indians or Australian Abos. Are we supposed to believe King Tut was a Lapp? or a white European? And the highest frequencies of A variants as a whole are found in Africa fool! Tut is no white European, but merely one of the many African variants of "A". lol
The highest frequencies of A2 are found in small, unrelated populations, especially the Blackfoot Indians of Montana (30-35%), the Australian Aborigines (many groups are 40-53%), and the Lapps, or Saami people, of Northern Scandinavia (50-90%). The A allele apparently was absent among Central and South American Indians. But still, THE HIGHEST VARIANT DISTRIBUTION OF A IS FOUND IN AFRICA. Even if it is in high levels in Caucasian populations it is still a trivial blood marker.. lol.. Your trivial A2 is of little significance in European populations..
QUOTE from your own source:
"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu." -- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
Your own source undermines you!
And even your own conservative scholars undercut your claim. Below is the research of conservative scholar Boyd who used Blood groups to sort the races, and continued to do so in the 1960s along with Connoly:
RACES AND PEOPLE BY William C.Boyd, 1955 Abelard-Schumann, New York quote:
Now we can summarize our six genetic races: ~
1. Australian (Aboriginal): low B or none, low M, no A2
2. American (Indian): low B or none, low N, no A2
3. Asian: High B, high Rhz, no A2
4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2
6. Early European: very high rh, no B
~ The genes for O and A are so widespread among all groups of people that they are nearly useless in racial classification.
The six races (plus a seventh race which is less clear-cut) divide the world in an interesting manner. We can follow immigration waves that we could not follow if we used skin color or some other obvious physical characteristic. For instance, a group of immigrants high in A must have entered western Japan from Korea in the not distant past and spread eastward. That would account for the variation of frequency in the A gene in different parts of Japan.
As we learn more about the blood-group genes, and about other genes, too, and as we test more and more people all over the earth, we can expect to be able to trace man's evolution more exactly and to learn the stages by which he has populated the world. ------------------------------
Get it? when conservative writer Boyd did the analysis on blood groups in the 1950s, guess which group had the highest A2? Was it "wandering Caucasoids" flitting in an out of the Nile Valley to make Tut white? No. The groups with the highest A2 are Africans. Europeans only had moderate levels of A2 in Boyd's analysis.
Quote" "4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"
Based on conservative Boyd's data then, Tut was closer to Africans... lol
And the much touted Blood Type Research shows whites to be a mongrel hybrid population..
And when recent data is looked at, A2 is of minor importance with the A type as a whole, and most variants of A are found in Africa, where A2 also occurs. (Adamo and Whitney 2002.) So no matter what you use- 1950s data or 2000 data- same result.. you still lose..
So much for the "white" King Tut based on blood type. looks like once again:
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Zaharan writes:
^^ Indeed, and they are easily debunked, using their own sources:
Marc writes:
I should/could have been more specific in saying (I think you got it) that the honorable J. Philippe Rushton is Dirk8.
I'd just like to encourage him to post more as it's good for us all.
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Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
quote:Originally posted by J. Philippe Rushton: Diop states: ...............
YO! That shiit was REALLY WEAK! Its not even funny. Is that really the "BEST" evidence you could find. You got owned big time. You should create a new name and start all over.
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^lol.. according to them, the reference by Adamo (2002) "is more recent" than Boyd's data. But the Boyd chart below is itself produced in Adamo's book on page 24! When caught out for the idiots they are, they turn around and argue against their own references!
Yeah.. that Boyd chart is itself from Adamo's book.. pg 24
And the "more recent" Adam reference shows that A2 is trivial. quote:
"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu." -- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
And their own conservative scholars undercut their claims. Below is the research of conservative scholar Boyd who was cited earlier in Adamo 2002. Boyd used Blood groups to sort the races, and continued to do so in the 1960s along with Connoly:
RACES AND PEOPLE BY William C.Boyd, 1955 Abelard-Schumann, New York quote:
Now we can summarize our six genetic races: ~
1. Australian (Aboriginal): low B or none, low M, no A2
2. American (Indian): low B or none, low N, no A2
3. Asian: High B, high Rhz, no A2
4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2
6. Early European: very high rh, no B
~ The genes for O and A are so widespread among all groups of people that they are nearly useless in racial classification.
The six races (plus a seventh race which is less clear-cut) divide the world in an interesting manner. We can follow immigration waves that we could not follow if we used skin color or some other obvious physical characteristic. For instance, a group of immigrants high in A must have entered western Japan from Korea in the not distant past and spread eastward. That would account for the variation of frequency in the A gene in different parts of Japan.
As we learn more about the blood-group genes, and about other genes, too, and as we test more and more people all over the earth, we can expect to be able to trace man's evolution more exactly and to learn the stages by which he has populated the world. ------------------------------
Get it? when conservative when Boyd did the analysis on blood groups in the 1950s, guess which group had the highest A2? Was it "wandering Caucasoids" flitting in an out of the Nile Valley to make Tut white? No. The groups with the highest A2 are Africans. Europeans only have moderate levels of A2 according to their own conservative blood race typing guy...
QUOTE FROM CONSERVATIVE BOYD:
"4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"
According to their own conservative author then, King Tut is closer to Africans than Europeans on A2...
When recent data is looked at, A2 is of minor importance and most variants of A are found in Africa, where A2 also occurs. Adamo and Whitney 2002. So no matter what you use- 1950s data or 2000 data- same result.. So much for your "white" King Tut..
And blood group research shows their own precious "white purity" is nothing of the sort. Cavalli-Sforza ran blood group data and found whites to be a mongrel, hybrid population.
Finally when all is said and done on Blood Groups- the advantages lies with Africans not idiotic "Aryan" "white Egyptians"..
Dumkopfs! Vaar is the 'death blow'?
Advantage African in Type B
Furthermore the Egyptians have substantial frequencies of "B". In Europe however (quote) "In Europe, B frequency varies from between 8% and 12%." (Daniels 2006) and quote: "Blood group B is a distinctly non-Indo-European blood type. (Adamo 2002).
In Egypt the frequency of B is much higher- 24% (Beckman 1959). Among Bantu groups B frequencies average 19% (Beckman 1959). In terms of type B then, the African percentages are much closer to the Egyptians than the Europeans.
Advantage African in Type O
As regards type "O" the greatest frequencies are found in the Americas, Australia and Africa, not Europe. Quote: "Populations with a group O phenotype frequency greater than 60% are found in native people of the Americas and in parts of Africa and Australia, but not in most of Europe or Asia." (Daniels 2006).
In Egypt the frequency of O is 33% (Beckman 1959) compared to the bantu average of 46%. (Beckman 1959), compared to smaller O frequencies for Europe. In terms of Type O then, the African percentages are much closer to Egyptians than Europeans.
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Summary- overall advantage: African
Summary: In 2 out of 3 blood groups, the Africans and closer to the Egyptians (Africans 66% - Europeans 33%). Advantage: African. As for blood group A it is also found in Africa, though in lesser percentages than in Europe. However A1 makes up 95% of the A blood grouping. A2 is trivial in this group, being confined mostly to people like Lapps. Assorted "Aryan" claims to make King Tut white center around reputed findings of A2, but this rare marker is trivial to begin with. A2 is also found in Africa. Daniels 2006 shows A2 very much present in Africa. Hence white supremacist appropriation of King Tut based on blood type are idiotic.
Africa itself provides more than enough variation to accommodate A2. King Tut then had more than enough scope to pick up A2 within Africa without needing the presence of "wandering Caucasoids" in the Nile Valley. (Source: Daniels 2006, Essential Guide to Blood Groups).
So much for appropriating Egypt for "white Egyptians" based on blood type.
finally from their own Adamo reference is this statement that Africans are linked significantly with Egyptians. Their own reference again undermines them. So much for the fantasy "white Egypt" based on blood type.. quote: Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. " -- Adamo (2002) "The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia. pg 14
Once again idiots...
Still awaiting the touted "death blow"...
Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
quote: Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. "
HA HA HA - J. Philippe Rushton u suck. Go ahead and parrot this back over at that race reality message board and see what they say about it. HA HA HA
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
And its from their own source reputedly supporting a "white Egypt".... ... Posted by Morpheus (Member # 16203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
The gentleman who began this thread identifies himself aristocratically as J. Philippe Rushton.
The J. Philippe Rushton persona starting to post (24 Oct 2009), and with just 47 posts began heavily contributing about the same time the honorable Dirk8 began tapering off.
I’d say the rivited attention they focus on trying to discredit blacks; the use of the same type of passionate denunciation; the same or similar word-choice makes them one-in-the-same.
They are great entertainment and I for one would like to see more from them. Their comments are not only educational but great fun.
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I think the poster is MediterraneanPride from ArguewithEveryone.
Meth-head is a Rushton worshipper who has read alot of his research. He is trying his best to sound intellectual but he just can't help himself and reverts to the N-Word taunts like the typical racist lunatic that he is.
This is Meth-head's M.O. not Dirk8.
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
LOL it doesnt matter nigger he wasnt a Aborigine, "A Bantu", Lapp, or Saami but a White Caucasian. Whatever misunderstandings you have, Tut was classified by several anthropologists as CAUCASIAN. His blood type being A2 in the m/n antigen. Niggers do not have that. Yuya, which you niggers claim is an "outsider" has the exact same blood type and hes not a nigger. They all have CAUCASIAN hair, nigger. Not knappy hair like Maiherpri.
You lose again, nigger.
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
You will note the 2002 date is more recent than Boyds 1955 study.
Nigger, you will note the A stretches across North Africa and links directly to the Levant, not to sub-Sahara. It's heavy in the BLUE.
Too bad for you, nigger.
50-90% is not “trivial” nigger which is highest in Europe, so how does that make it “of little significance” nigger? Why don’t you cite your source, nigger! It doesn’t even mention niggers at all! The GREEN portion IS NOT to be found anywhere except for EATSHIT forum by your lying monkey lackey zarahan.
“Blood group A is FOUND IN THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS AMONG WESTERN EUROPEANS. The major grouping A1, accounts for about 95% of all A blood. The LARGEST SUBGROUP A2 IS FOUND PRINCIPALLY IN NORTHERN CAUCASIANS… The A2 gene is almost ENTIRELY CONFIEND TO CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS. (Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference guide for the blood type)
Now you be a good nigger and find a real source that says the same about niggers having “highest concentrations” or “principally among sub-Saharans”of A2 antigen M or N. zarahan the deceitful lying forging monkey doesn’t count, nigger and you are equally a stupid deceitful lying forging monkey for C&P his lies. He is not a scientific source.
"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu." -- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
This is GENERALIZATION, there are many races in Africa, putz. The highest concentrations of A stretches across all of N. Africa into the Levant nigger. Look at the map! Tut is A2 which is Caucasian and was racially classified a Caucasian; he is NOT the rare “Ax” or “A-Bantu.” Those are your typical nigger "variations".
European (Caucasoid) groups: Possessing the next highest incidence of the Rh-negative gene and a relatively high incidence of group A2, with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.
S-s-. This phenotype occurs mainly in black people;… S-s- red cells lack “N” and M+N-S-s red cells are thus the only ones that are completely N negative… S-s is not found in White people.
Niggers do not have the M&N gene they are S-s.
Diop states: “ It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
LMAO! The niggers are at a great paradox!
Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
fawal, stop this nonsense...
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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[Dirk8 writes]
LOL it doesnt matter nigger he wasnt a Aborigine, "A Bantu", Lapp, or Saami but a White Caucasian.
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Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
No illiterate nigger, stating that Boyds study is old does not dispute anything since D'Adamo cited it, STUPID. Where did I claim it debunks it? EH deceitful lying ape face.
BULLSHIT. Where does it say it is "trivial"? You resort to more lies.
"Of the minor forms of group A, only A2 is of any practical importance."
Youre not ANSWERING or REFUTING the questions you stupid illiterate monkey. Take a good look at that chart above, niggers. Boyd shows HIGH A2 for Europeans with frequencies of M. Niggers dont have that.
It says VARIANTS, it does not say niggers have HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS of A2 - which D'Admo states is AMONG WESTERN EUROPEANS
Look @ the map, monkey. A is in high concentration across all of North Africa which stretches right into the Levant. There are NO connectors into sub sahara.
Yah, nig look at the "summary" European average (40) is still closer to Egyptian (36) than the Bantu average (30) is. LMAO!
Nigger, do YOU get it? You havent provided a single source showing that niggers have M & N blood genes.
“Blood group A is FOUND IN THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS AMONG WESTERN EUROPEANS. The major grouping A1, accounts for about 95% of all A blood. The LARGEST SUBGROUP A2 IS FOUND PRINCIPALLY IN NORTHERN CAUCASIANS… The A2 gene is almost ENTIRELY CONFIEND TO CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS. (Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference guide for the blood type)
"4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2 [THESE WERE VARIATIONS "Ax" and "A-BANTU"
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"
No nigger. According to Boyds chart YOU posted (above) shows:
European: High A2.
African: relatively high A2.
"Relatively" is not as high as HIGH is, dumbass and it doesnt link at all to sub-Sahara on the map, but the Levant does!
[AHHH BUT TUT WASNT CLASSIFIED AS NEGROID, CUNT. HE IS CLASSIFIED BY ANTHROPOLOGISTS AS CAUCASIAN. THAT ELIMINATES ANY NIGGER IMAGINATIONS THAT YOU SUFFER FROM]
SO MUCH FOR A NIGGER TUT WHO WAS CLASSIFIED AS CAUCASIAN, A2 BLOOD TYPE OF M/N ANTIGEN AND WHOM HAWASS EVEN STATED WAS 'NOT BLACK' LOL **** ON YOU, NIGGERS.
LMAO! The niggers are STUCK at a great paradox and are in PANIC MODE!
Diop states: “ It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
You people are not only idiotic, but incompetent as well. Boyd's first chart doesnt say anything about A2. You created that bogus "point" to create a bogus strawman to "debate." You are now trying to backtrack by clouding your original claim, but no one is being fooled.
A2 is found primarily in Caucasians but it is trivial and significantly confined to isolated populations compared to the other 95% that makes up A1. By playing up A2 you stepped on a minefield of your own making. Whatsa matta? Can't stand the heat?
You claimed that A2 proved King Tut was white. As shown by credible sources, A2 is quite present in Africa, well within the range for Tut to acquire. In fact your own source Adamo says the most variants of A itself are in Africa. But A2 is only part of the picture. Egyptians also have type O and B, and Africans exceed Europeans in frequencies of these, coming closer to Egyptians. And finally your own source as to Type B states quite clearly that there is a clear link between Egyptians and Africans. Desperating hollering nigger every third word as if volume alone will erase your incompetence won't save you. You are defeated. Now run along..
Yeah.. that Boyd chart is itself from your own Adamo reference.. pg 24 Your own source debunks you..
And the "more recent" Adam reference shows that A2 is trivial. quote:
"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu." -- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
And their own conservative scholars undercut their claims. Below is the research of conservative scholar Boyd who was cited earlier in Adamo 2002. Boyd used Blood groups to sort the races, and continued to do so in the 1960s along with Connoly:
RACES AND PEOPLE BY William C.Boyd, 1955 Abelard-Schumann, New York quote:
Now we can summarize our six genetic races: ~
1. Australian (Aboriginal): low B or none, low M, no A2
2. American (Indian): low B or none, low N, no A2
3. Asian: High B, high Rhz, no A2
4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2
6. Early European: very high rh, no B
~ The genes for O and A are so widespread among all groups of people that they are nearly useless in racial classification.
The six races (plus a seventh race which is less clear-cut) divide the world in an interesting manner. We can follow immigration waves that we could not follow if we used skin color or some other obvious physical characteristic. For instance, a group of immigrants high in A must have entered western Japan from Korea in the not distant past and spread eastward. That would account for the variation of frequency in the A gene in different parts of Japan.
As we learn more about the blood-group genes, and about other genes, too, and as we test more and more people all over the earth, we can expect to be able to trace man's evolution more exactly and to learn the stages by which he has populated the world. ------------------------------
Get it? when conservative when Boyd did the analysis on blood groups in the 1950s, guess which group had the highest A2? Was it "wandering Caucasoids" flitting in an out of the Nile Valley to make Tut white? No. The groups with the highest A2 are Africans. Europeans only have moderate levels of A2 according to their own conservative blood race typing guy...
QUOTE FROM CONSERVATIVE BOYD:
"4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"
According to their own conservative author then, King Tut is closer to Africans than Europeans on A2...
When recent data is looked at, A2 is of minor importance and most variants of A are found in Africa, where A2 also occurs. Adamo and Whitney 2002. So no matter what you use- 1950s data or 2000 data- same result.. So much for your "white" King Tut..
And blood group research shows their own precious "white purity" is nothing of the sort. Cavalli-Sforza ran blood group data and found whites to be a mongrel, hybrid population.
Finally when all is said and done on Blood Groups- the advantages lies with Africans not idiotic "Aryan" "white Egyptians"..
Dumkopfs! Vaar is the 'death blow'?
Advantage African in Type B
Furthermore the Egyptians have substantial frequencies of "B". In Europe however (quote) "In Europe, B frequency varies from between 8% and 12%." (Daniels 2006) and quote: "Blood group B is a distinctly non-Indo-European blood type. (Adamo 2002).
In Egypt the frequency of B is much higher- 24% (Beckman 1959). Among Bantu groups B frequencies average 19% (Beckman 1959). In terms of type B then, the African percentages are much closer to the Egyptians than the Europeans.
Advantage African in Type O
As regards type "O" the greatest frequencies are found in the Americas, Australia and Africa, not Europe. Quote: "Populations with a group O phenotype frequency greater than 60% are found in native people of the Americas and in parts of Africa and Australia, but not in most of Europe or Asia." (Daniels 2006).
In Egypt the frequency of O is 33% (Beckman 1959) compared to the bantu average of 46%. (Beckman 1959), compared to smaller O frequencies for Europe. In terms of Type O then, the African percentages are much closer to Egyptians than Europeans.
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Summary- overall advantage: African
Summary: In 2 out of 3 blood groups, the Africans and closer to the Egyptians (Africans 66% - Europeans 33%). Advantage: African. As for blood group A it is also found in Africa, though in lesser percentages than in Europe. However A1 makes up 95% of the A blood grouping. A2 is trivial in this group, being confined mostly to people like Lapps. Assorted "Aryan" claims to make King Tut white center around reputed findings of A2, but this rare marker is trivial to begin with. A2 is also found in Africa. Daniels 2006 shows A2 very much present in Africa. Hence white supremacist appropriation of King Tut based on blood type are idiotic.
Africa itself provides more than enough variation to accommodate A2. King Tut then had more than enough scope to pick up A2 within Africa without needing the presence of "wandering Caucasoids" in the Nile Valley. (Source: Daniels 2006, Essential Guide to Blood Groups).
So much for appropriating Egypt for "white Egyptians" based on blood type.
finally from their own Adamo reference is this statement that Africans are linked significantly with Egyptians. Their own reference again undermines them. So much for the fantasy "white Egypt" based on blood type.. quote: Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. " -- Adamo (2002) "The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia. pg 14
Once again idiots...
Still awaiting the touted "death blow"...
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Strange - anyone using blood type to classify Egyptians should have run across the fact that the Black indigenous peoples of North Africa are the closest to the Ancient Egyptians in blood type.
Why would someone trying to propose a White Egypt (an odd thing today actually) by talking about Blood type?
So we digress to this retarded level or what when we have genetic evidence?
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
You will note the 2002 date is more recent than Boyds 1955 study.
Nigger, you will note the A stretches across North Africa and links directly to the Levant, not to sub-Sahara. It's heavy in the BLUE.
Too bad for you, nigger.
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
quote:Originally posted by astenb:
quote: Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. "
Damn nigger. Why cant you ever be honest?
Here is the part YOU LEFT OUT:
In the Middle-East it appears that tribes of Semitic group B nomads may have infiltrated into pre-existing Neolithic cultures, both passively and aggressively. Semitic peoples called the Hyksos were foreign rulers of Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period. Exactly who those foreign rulers were is not known, but it is assumed they were Asiatics. The Egyptian term for Hyksos merely means "rulers of foreign lands." It was once thought that foreign rule in Egypt would have necessarily entailed a violent overthrow, but instead there is the appearance of a peaceful takeover. More likely, the numbers of these foreigners slowly increased in the Delta region until they became a powerful political force. Under the rule of the Hyksos, the continuity of Egyptian culture and ritual was preserved, indicating that these foreign kings had become fully Egyptianized. Persian suzerainty may have also added large amount of B gene to the upper-class Egyptian gene pool, since a third century BC Egyptian mummy, 'Iset Iri Hetes' was recently typed and found to be group B.
So you deleted most of the paragraph to make it appear that Iri Hetes was a nigger when it never says the sort.
European (Caucasoid) groups: Possessing the next highest incidence of the Rh-negative gene and a relatively high incidence of group A2, with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.
S-s-. This phenotype occurs mainly in black people;… S-s- red cells lack “N” and M+N-S-s red cells are thus the only ones that are completely N negative… S-s is not found in White people.
Niggers do not have the M&N gene they are S-s.
Diop states: “ It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
Personally I would expect that much of the New Kingdom would have Asiatic blood. That the Hyksos were absorbed into the population (especially the females).
Therefore, Caucasian blood type in King Tut would not surprise me at all.
Being of mixed ancestry is not equivalent to being White by any means.
Still, however, if going by Blood type we still have the issue of the Haratins to deal with.
;-)
Why is Mahilda using the 'N' word. How uneducated sounding that is. Repugnant!
Posted by TheTruthHurts (Member # 17194) on :
White Egypt ROFL!!!
That is the funniest **** iv ever heard...so your one of those crazy human being's that think there's a such thing as a (Dark Skinned Caucasian Race).Really think with some common sense man really dark skinned Caucasian race really with no proof or information and the so called proof that you have is meant to undo.What ancient native african people.Have done for many many year's to be the first and the foundation for use all.
But because you yourself are clouded by lie's and you yourself are a sheep of a person that's been soup feed BS.By your forefather's or what have you ..that you must spread misinformation to your fellow human being and.Then call the Frist Human Being on the planet the dark skinned*Melanie skinned (African People).So that n word that you speak of is a misguided word for your own defeat and just show's .That you either need to become sane and found your own path to the truth or keep fishing in the wrong pond.
A till you go crazy which you probably all ready are.But keep hating us because that's the best you can do and that's what you and your type of people and your ancestor's.Have been doing for a long time now telling use bullshit story's (That we are nothing and we never created anything) which in itself is impossible.Breaking up family's and tribe's for your own purpose with more misinformation.But even that does not refute the overwhelming fact's that the ONLY PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET WE CALL EARTH THAT CAN CLAIM ANCIENT KEMET are the NATIVE INDIGENOUS ORIGINAL AFRICAN HUMANOID...PERIOD.
Also knowing that if your own scholar's are correct(Which is Fact) that the dark skinned african native people are .The first humans on this planet and if you refute that then go to those very .Indigenous people all over the world and see them for your self what they look like and who do you think there closest relative's are and.Think if they went to American or Any Race based country what would they be classified as ...
USE COMMON SENSE AND YOUR BRIAN
Im no Afrocentric person.. im a human being that his eye's..
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
bellows of desperation by Aryan incompetents debuked:
Strike 1: Tutankhamun, Smenkhkare, Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III all have A2 of the MN antigen. There is NOTHING you can do to change this..
You dumb fools. MN is a blood group of itself, it is not an antigen of Type A. lol.. Is this what you idiots call "Aryan science?" Here's a breakdown of the antigens in Type A.
Strike 2: SO MUCH FOR A NIGGER TUT WHO WAS CLASSIFIED AS CAUCASIAN, A2 BLOOD TYPE OF M/N ANTIGEN AND WHOM HAWASS EVEN STATED WAS 'NOT BLACK' LOL **** ON YOU, NIGGERS.
as noted above, MN is not an antigen of A.. This must be Aryan "scholarship" at work....
The M and N genes are distributed across human populations- it is not a monopoly of "Caucasoids." How dumb can you people be? And Blood Type A does not have the "M/N antigen" fool. Blood type A has the 'A" antigen. Keep posting your "Aryan science." A good set up is coming..
Here's what your own author Adamo says about it.. Your own source debunks you" "When the MN system was first discovered it appeared rather uninteresting. It was of virtually no medical importance, and the frequencies of the M and N genes were closely similar, each near 50 per cent, in most populations available for testing. Only the American Indians, with much more M than N, relieved this uniformity." --P. Adamo 2000.
Strike 3: "Nigger, do YOU get it? You havent provided a single source showing that niggers have M & N blood genes.
lol.. up above you said MN was an antigen. Now you say it is a "blood gene?" Make up your mind idiot. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THE M AND N GENES.. quote:
"Most individuals are unaware of their MN type and it has little or no medical significance, but population studies have shown that the M and N genes are present in the population as approximately 50% each" --Genetics and DNA technology: legal aspects. By Wilson J. Wall (2002)
They quote Diop or Van Sertima's reputed statement: Nigger, Diop says: "It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
lol.. you pathetic fools.. after talking up A2 as this great Caucasian marker you then quote DIop, but in doing so undermine your case again. Note that Diop says Egyptians are not merely A2 but also include type B as well. It turns out that Type B is itself an indicator of a link between Egyptians and other Africans. you fools shoot yourselves in the foot again.
Guess what? Your own Adamo source backs up Diop/Van Sertima.. (quote)
"Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. " -- Adamo (2002) "The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia. pg 14
Dumb incompetents! Your own sources confirm what Diop/Van Sertima is saying... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's three strikes for your idiotic "Aryan science"
one extra at bat, and you still strike out when your own source backs up Diop/vanSertima..
Where this touted "death blow"? Once again incompetents.... Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
^ LOL
fawal will soon go in hiding, again. Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
Does it not say on Boyds chart that YOU posted:European: High A2.African: relatively high A2.I'm still waiting for you to produce evidence of negroids having A2 m/n.A2 is found primarily in Caucasians but it is trivial and significantly confined to isolated populations compared to the other 95% that makes up A1.OH YOU FINALLY SUCCUMBED TO THE TRUTH!!! It is only "trivial" to you because you dont want to hear it. No where did A'Damo ever claim it was "trivial", in fact just the opposite!"Of the minor forms of group A, only A2 is of any practical importance."“Blood group A is FOUND IN THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS AMONG WESTERN EUROPEANS. The major grouping A1, accounts for about 95% of all A blood. The LARGEST SUBGROUP A2 IS FOUND PRINCIPALLY IN NORTHERN CAUCASIANS… The A2 gene is almost ENTIRELY CONFIEND TO CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS. (Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference guide for the blood type). The map shows distribution of A which its highest concentration in Africa is in North Africa which extends into the Levant. It does not touch any of the remote pockets in sub-Sahara. Too bad. And you can stick your nose in that map!Nope. Not if A2 is only 5% of A (which is majority European), and you have to take into consideration there is also "Ax" and "Bantu-A" which eat into what little percentage you have left, and the bulk of that 5% is in Europe to boot. Never mind there is ZERO linking to any of the negroid groups.It's not just A2 that proves Tut is Caucasian, but that he was also classified as a Caucasian racially and that Yuya, a supposed "outsider" has the exact same blood type. Hard pill to swallow, huh.Those variants are mainly Ax and A-Bantu while A2 is in North Africa, of which Tut & family is proof of.O and B is not the issue here, A2 is, further, it does not state anything of the sort concerning blood group B as a link to sub-Saharans. It linked Iri Hetes to Persians! Here is the part YOU LEFT OUT:In the Middle-East it appears that tribes of Semitic group B nomads may have infiltrated into pre-existing Neolithic cultures, both passively and aggressively. Semitic peoples called the Hyksos were foreign rulers of Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period. Exactly who those foreign rulers were is not known, but it is assumed they were Asiatics. The Egyptian term for Hyksos merely means "rulers of foreign lands." It was once thought that foreign rule in Egypt would have necessarily entailed a violent overthrow, but instead there is the appearance of a peaceful takeover. More likely, the numbers of these foreigners slowly increased in the Delta region until they became a powerful political force. Under the rule of the Hyksos, the continuity of Egyptian culture and ritual was preserved, indicating that these foreign kings had become fully Egyptianized. Persian suzerainty may have also added large amount of B gene to the upper-class Egyptian gene pool, since a third century BC Egyptian mummy, 'Iset Iri Hetes' was recently typed and found to be group B.O and B are not race specific and third century BC was long after Egypts fall regardless.Desperating hollering nigger every third word as if volume alone will erase your incompetence won't save you.Who are you kidding? Not me. You cant even comprehend Boyds chart that you constantly refer to.Nope. I have asked you several times to provide where D'Adamo claims its trivial. You wont because you cant. In other words you are LYING and FORGING quotes.QUOTE FROM CONSERVATIVE BOYD:"4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A25. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"According to their own conservative author then, King Tut is closer to Africans than Europeans on A2...This is an outright lie and you know it. Look at the chart YOU keep posting.According to Boyds chart PAGE 24 shows:European: High A2.African: relatively high A2."relativey" high is NOT the same as HIGH. You loose again, liar.When recent data is looked at, A2 is of minor importance and most variants of A are found in Africa, where A2 also occurs. Adamo and Whitney 2002. So no matter what you use- 1950s data or 2000 data- same result.. So much for your "white" King Tut..Another FORGED quote. It states on page 43:"Of the minor forms of group A, only A2 is of any practical importance."You better get your **** straight and stop copying from a mental patient, it really makes you look STUPID.Illiterate monkey, it says "most variants" it does not say "most of A2" BIG DIFFERENCE! Its most because it has three forms, while Europe has two in which A2 is [color="Red"]“FOUND IN THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS AMONG WESTERN EUROPEANS. The major grouping A1, accounts for about 95% of all A blood. The LARGEST SUBGROUP A2 IS FOUND PRINCIPALLY IN NORTHERN CAUCASIANS… The A2 gene is almost ENTIRELY CONFIEND TO CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS.
Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
My son is Blood type A?
What a wierdo?
Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
this guy fawal doesn't seem to have any shame! amazing!
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
The A2 gene is almost ENTIRELY CONFIEND TO CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS.
Dumbass, A2 is found in heavily Europe in SMALL, ISOLATED populations. Its occurrence is trivial. It is also found in very high concentrations in people like Blackfoot Indians. It is also found in Africa. You got busted in another lie when you earlier made out A2 to be all Caucasian, both here and on your other dumb site. So there goes your "Cakazoid" Tut out the window.. Trying to obscure your failure won't work.
Note below how minor A2 is but it is also found in Africa. Note the greater percentages of B and O in Africa as well. Your idiotic 'Aryan Science' won't wash.
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bellows of desperation by Aryan incompetents debunked:
Strike 1: Tutankhamun, Smenkhkare, Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III all have A2 of the MN antigen. There is NOTHING you can do to change this..
You dumb fools. MN is a blood group of itself, it is not an antigen of Type A. lol.. Is this what you idiots call "Aryan science?" Here's a breakdown of the antigens in Type A.
Strike 2: SO MUCH FOR A NIGGER TUT WHO WAS CLASSIFIED AS CAUCASIAN, A2 BLOOD TYPE OF M/N ANTIGEN AND WHOM HAWASS EVEN STATED WAS 'NOT BLACK' LOL **** ON YOU, NIGGERS.
as noted above, MN is not an antigen of A.. This must be Aryan "scholarship" at work....
The M and N genes are distributed across human populations- it is not a monopoly of "Caucasoids." How dumb can you people be? And Blood Type A does not have the "M/N antigen" fool. Blood type A has the 'A" antigen. Keep posting your "Aryan science." A good set up is coming..
Here's what your own author Adamo says about it.. Your own source debunks you" "When the MN system was first discovered it appeared rather uninteresting. It was of virtually no medical importance, and the frequencies of the M and N genes were closely similar, each near 50 per cent, in most populations available for testing. Only the American Indians, with much more M than N, relieved this uniformity." --P. Adamo 2000.
Strike 3: "Nigger, do YOU get it? You havent provided a single source showing that niggers have M & N blood genes.
lol.. up above you said MN was an antigen. Now you say it is a "blood gene?" Make up your mind idiot. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THE M AND N GENES.. quote:
"Most individuals are unaware of their MN type and it has little or no medical significance, but population studies have shown that the M and N genes are present in the population as approximately 50% each" --Genetics and DNA technology: legal aspects. By Wilson J. Wall (2002)
They quote Diop or Van Sertima's reputed statement: Nigger, Diop says: "It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
lol.. you pathetic fools.. after talking up A2 as this great Caucasian marker you then quote DIop, but in doing so undermine your case again. Note that Diop says Egyptians are not merely A2 but also include type B as well. It turns out that Type B is itself an indicator of a link between Egyptians and other Africans. you fools shoot yourselves in the foot again.
Guess what? Your own Adamo source backs up Diop/Van Sertima in terms of B links.. (quote)
"Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. " -- Adamo (2002) "The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia. pg 14
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: You people are not only idiotic, but incompetent as well. Boyd's first chart doesnt say anything about A2. You created that bogus "point" to create a bogus strawman to "debate." You are now trying to backtrack by clouding your original claim, but no one is being fooled.
A2 is found primarily in Caucasians but it is trivial and significantly confined to isolated populations compared to the other 95% that makes up A1. By playing up A2 you stepped on a minefield of your own making. Whatsa matta? Can't stand the heat?
You claimed that A2 proved King Tut was white. As shown by credible sources, A2 is quite present in Africa, well within the range for Tut to acquire. In fact your own source Adamo says the most variants of A itself are in Africa. But A2 is only part of the picture. Egyptians also have type O and B, and Africans exceed Europeans in frequencies of these, coming closer to Egyptians. And finally your own source as to Type B states quite clearly that there is a clear link between Egyptians and Africans. Desperating hollering nigger every third word as if volume alone will erase your incompetence won't save you. You are defeated. Now run along..
Yeah.. that Boyd chart is itself from your own Adamo reference.. pg 24 Your own source debunks you..
And the "more recent" Adam reference shows that A2 is trivial. quote:
"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu." -- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
And their own conservative scholars undercut their claims. Below is the research of conservative scholar Boyd who was cited earlier in Adamo 2002. Boyd used Blood groups to sort the races, and continued to do so in the 1960s along with Connoly:
RACES AND PEOPLE BY William C.Boyd, 1955 Abelard-Schumann, New York quote:
Now we can summarize our six genetic races: ~
1. Australian (Aboriginal): low B or none, low M, no A2
2. American (Indian): low B or none, low N, no A2
3. Asian: High B, high Rhz, no A2
4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2
6. Early European: very high rh, no B
~ The genes for O and A are so widespread among all groups of people that they are nearly useless in racial classification.
The six races (plus a seventh race which is less clear-cut) divide the world in an interesting manner. We can follow immigration waves that we could not follow if we used skin color or some other obvious physical characteristic. For instance, a group of immigrants high in A must have entered western Japan from Korea in the not distant past and spread eastward. That would account for the variation of frequency in the A gene in different parts of Japan.
As we learn more about the blood-group genes, and about other genes, too, and as we test more and more people all over the earth, we can expect to be able to trace man's evolution more exactly and to learn the stages by which he has populated the world. ------------------------------
Get it? when conservative when Boyd did the analysis on blood groups in the 1950s, guess which group had the highest A2? Was it "wandering Caucasoids" flitting in an out of the Nile Valley to make Tut white? No. The groups with the highest A2 are Africans. Europeans only have moderate levels of A2 according to their own conservative blood race typing guy...
QUOTE FROM CONSERVATIVE BOYD:
"4. African: High B, high Rho, some rh, high A2
5. European: moderately high rh, moderate B, moderate A2"
According to their own conservative author then, King Tut is closer to Africans than Europeans on A2...
When recent data is looked at, A2 is of minor importance and most variants of A are found in Africa, where A2 also occurs. Adamo and Whitney 2002. So no matter what you use- 1950s data or 2000 data- same result.. So much for your "white" King Tut..
And blood group research shows their own precious "white purity" is nothing of the sort. Cavalli-Sforza ran blood group data and found whites to be a mongrel, hybrid population.
Finally when all is said and done on Blood Groups- the advantages lies with Africans not idiotic "Aryan" "white Egyptians"..
Advantage African in Type B
Furthermore the Egyptians have substantial frequencies of "B". In Europe however (quote) "In Europe, B frequency varies from between 8% and 12%." (Daniels 2006) and quote: "Blood group B is a distinctly non-Indo-European blood type. (Adamo 2002).
In Egypt the frequency of B is much higher- 24% (Beckman 1959). Among Bantu groups B frequencies average 19% (Beckman 1959). In terms of type B then, the African percentages are much closer to the Egyptians than the Europeans.
Advantage African in Type O
As regards type "O" the greatest frequencies are found in the Americas, Australia and Africa, not Europe. Quote: "Populations with a group O phenotype frequency greater than 60% are found in native people of the Americas and in parts of Africa and Australia, but not in most of Europe or Asia." (Daniels 2006).
In Egypt the frequency of O is 33% (Beckman 1959) compared to the bantu average of 46%. (Beckman 1959), compared to smaller O frequencies for Europe. In terms of Type O then, the African percentages are much closer to Egyptians than Europeans.
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Summary- overall advantage: African
Summary: In 2 out of 3 blood groups, the Africans and closer to the Egyptians (Africans 66% - Europeans 33%). Advantage: African. As for blood group A it is also found in Africa, though in lesser percentages than in Europe. However A1 makes up 95% of the A blood grouping. A2 is trivial in this group, being confined mostly to people like Lapps. Assorted "Aryan" claims to make King Tut white center around reputed findings of A2, but this rare marker is trivial to begin with. A2 is also found in Africa. Daniels 2006 shows A2 very much present in Africa. Hence white supremacist appropriation of King Tut based on blood type are idiotic.
Africa itself provides more than enough variation to accommodate A2. King Tut then had more than enough scope to pick up A2 within Africa without needing the presence of "wandering Caucasoids" in the Nile Valley. (Source: Daniels 2006, Essential Guide to Blood Groups).
So much for appropriating Egypt for "white Egyptians" based on blood type.
finally from their own Adamo reference is this statement that Africans are linked significantly with Egyptians. Their own reference again undermines them. So much for the fantasy "white Egypt" based on blood type.. quote: Interestingly, Africa in general (independent of any racial categorization) has a higher incidence of group B than Europe or the Middle East. Whether this is the result of intermingling or the original B gene pool is unknown, however it does imply that the links between ancient Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa are deeper and older than generally recognized. " -- Adamo (2002) "The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia. pg 14
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
The gentleman who began this thread identifies himself aristocratically as J. Philippe Rushton.
The J. Philippe Rushton persona starting to post (24 Oct 2009), and with just 47 posts began heavily contributing about the same time the honorable Dirk8 began tapering off.
I’d say the rivited attention they focus on trying to discredit blacks; the use of the same type of passionate denunciation; the same or similar word-choice makes them one-in-the-same.
They are great entertainment and I for one would like to see more from them. Their comments are not only educational but great fun.
. .
Is this allowed, to doublenick and use a real persons name?
Whites are albinos and descendents of albinos, coming out of blacks. Why the hell are people so intended on finding genetic differences?
Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
Now watch Philippe run for cover!
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
There are A, B, AB and O; and variations within those and M &N are a variation of A2, stupid. Most "VARIATIONS" are in Africa (it doesnt state which parts so LOOK AT THE MAP!) and it doesnt state that Africa has HIGH A2 like it does in Europe.
M&N are antigens within A2, nigger. You have misunderstood D'Adamo, again.
It's D'Adamo, illiterate nigger. You misunderstand the book (typical) just like you misunderstand his name. You have misspelled his name in every post of yours, stupid. But keep reading...
Yes nigger, MN is a blood gene within the blood group. GET IT?
“Furthermore, both Tutankhamun and the body in question were blood group A2, with the serum antigen MN, all suggesting close consanguinity” (“Ancient Egyptian Medicine” 2002 Nunn)
Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen both belong to the same blood groups A2 and MN.” (“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by Serological Micromethod: Microdetermination of Blood Group Substances in Ancient Human Tissue”
Strike 3: "Nigger, do YOU get it? You havent provided a single source showing that niggers have M & N blood genes.
lol.. up above you said MN was an antigen. Now you say it is a "blood gene?" Make up your mind idiot. EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THE M AND N GENES.. quote:
"Most individuals are unaware of their MN type and it has little or no medical significance, but population studies have shown that the M and N genes are present in the population as approximately 50% each" --Genetics and DNA technology: legal aspects. By Wilson J. Wall (2002)
I really have no idea what youre trying to postulate here nigger. MN is an antigen/type/blood gene within a blood group and those groups are A, B, AB or O.
“All three samples were blood group A – specifically A2– but in the MNS system Amenhotep III’s blood group was M, while Yuya’s and Thuya’s were both group N. As their daughter, Tiye’s combined blood group would have been A2N. Her children by Amenhotep III would have been A2MN – and this means that Amenhotep and Tiye could have been Tutankhamen’s parents, as this was his blood group… Their daughter Sitamun’s blood group would also have been A2MN – so Tutankhamen could have inherited his blood group from her. It’s equally likely statistically. Not being able to get a definitive answer was disappointing – but working out Queen Tiye’s and Sitamun’s blood groups may prove useful for identification purposes if more female bodies are discovered.” (“Kinship of Smenkhare and Tutankhamen demonstrated serologically” 1969 Harrison, Connolly & Abdalla)
It turns out that Type B is itself an indicator of a link between Egyptians and other Africans.
No, its not. From the book which you completely left the entire paragraph out states:
“In the Middle-East it appears that tribes of Semitic group B nomads may have infiltrated into pre-existing Neolithic cultures, both passively and aggressively. Semitic peoples called the Hyksos were foreign rulers of Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period. Exactly who those foreign rulers were is not known, but it is assumed they were Asiatics. The Egyptian term for Hyksos merely means "rulers of foreign lands." It was once thought that foreign rule in Egypt would have necessarily entailed a violent overthrow, but instead there is the appearance of a peaceful takeover. More likely, the numbers of these foreigners slowly increased in the Delta region until they became a powerful political force. Under the rule of the Hyksos, the continuity of Egyptian culture and ritual was preserved, indicating that these foreign kings had become fully Egyptianized. Persian suzerainty may have also added large amount of B gene to the upper-class Egyptian gene pool, since a third century BC Egyptian mummy, 'Iset Iri Hetes' was recently typed and found to be group B.” (“Blood groups and the history of peoples” excerpted from “The Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia” by Peter D'Adamo, published by Penguin Putnam Inc 2002)
No WORD concerning B being negroid or even strictly negroid. In this, it says that B is Persian. which is moot anyway since this is the 3rd century B.C. Your link is NOT an ORIGIN and flows perfectly with the 2008 study:"since Roman times, gene flow from the Sub-Saharan region has affected gene frequencies of individuals from the oasis.” (“Research on ancient DNA in the Near East” Mateusz Baca, Martyna Molak 2008)
You've received the death blow, nigger, right over your brillopad head, and if there was any honor in your word, you would have ejected yourself by now.
"Tutankhamun was not black" Zahi Hawass
“determined from the skull that the person had been male, 18 to 20 years old, with Caucasoid features” anthropologist Jean-Noel Vignal ScienceDaily (May 11, 2005)
“A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” Diopshits (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)
“subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
“European Caucasians: a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
"King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present." (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King”2001 El Mahdy)
Posted by chairmanofba. (Member # 17203) on :
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^ lol.. earlier our 'Aryan scientists' claimed that there were no blacks with the MN gene.. Now their own source, the conservative Boyd above, contradicts them. Incompetents..
Aryan 'gene transfusion' at work... lmao..
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
Thanks guys and Bravo!
You have done a great job in showing once again how the most venerated Niggers in the Eurocentric world were unquestionably related to us other Niggers.
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
quote:Originally posted by chairmanofba.:
So now King Tut is a nigerian? There is no evidence of that nigger.It doesnt say A2m or A2n or A2mn, try again apeface.
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
Caucasians: group O, 44%; A1, 33%; A2, 10%; B, 9%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Blacks: group O, 49%; A1, 19%; A2, 8%; B, 20%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Asians: group O, 43%; A1, 27%; A2, rare; B, 25%; A1B, 5%; A2B, rare
Lookie there nigger^ your own source debunks you. Now how many niggers have A2m, A2n or A2mn? Hardly any! Niggers have Ax and A Bantu. The North African A of which Tut is part of extends completely across N.Africa straight into the Levant without any broken links. There are NO links into any other areas of Africa or sub-Sahara.
Frequency of ABO blood group antigens A: 43% Caucasians, 27% Blacks, 28% Asians
A1: 34% Caucasians, 19% Blacks, 27% Asians
“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King”2001 El Mahdy)
...and you said M and N arent antigens, stupid ****.
You and your nigger crack pot beliefs have been trashed. Over and over and over.
Now you be a good chimp and find an accredited anthropologist or Egyptologist that unequivocally states Tut was a nigger. LMAO! You wont, because you cant.
Here is the head Egyptologist with a PhD:
"Tutankhamun was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it."
There is NOTHING you can do, nigger.
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
quote:Originally posted by chairmanofba.:
So now King Tut is a nigerian? There is no evidence of that nigger.It doesnt say A2m or A2n or A2mn, try again apeface.
“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)
Caucasians: group O, 44%; A1, 33%; A2, 10%; B, 9%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Blacks: group O, 49%; A1, 19%; A2, 8%; B, 20%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Asians: group O, 43%; A1, 27%; A2, rare; B, 25%; A1B, 5%; A2B, rare
Lookie there nigger^ your own source debunks you. Now how many niggers have A2m, A2n or A2mn? Hardly any! Niggers have Ax and A Bantu. The North African A of which Tut is part of extends completely across N.Africa straight into the Levant without any broken links. There are NO links into any other areas of Africa or sub-Sahara.
Frequency of ABO blood group antigens A: 43% Caucasians, 27% Blacks, 28% Asians
A1: 34% Caucasians, 19% Blacks, 27% Asians
“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King”2001 El Mahdy)
...and you said M and N arent antigens, stupid ****.
You and your nigger crack pot beliefs have been trashed. Over and over and over.
Now you be a good chimp and find an accredited anthropologist or Egyptologist that unequivocally states Tut was a nigger. LMAO! You wont, because you cant.
Here is the head Egyptologist with a PhD:
"Tutankhamun was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it."
There is NOTHING you can do, nigger.
Posted by J. Philippe Rushton (Member # 17090) on :
No response? I have officially won this debate. Zaharan has absolutely no rebuttal to the overwhelming factual information, that supports White Egypt. ey nigger, why don't you act like a human being for once and try to take your defeat like a "man", if it is at all possible? There's no need to throw a temper tantrum about it. Just accept the fact that your race of shitskins never invented or accomplished anything nor developed any civilization and just move on... you fucking worthless nigger.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
How plain stupid is this.
"A2m, A2n or A2mn"
Cite one source showing the so call made up combination and where is has any racial implications! You stupid worthless lying idiot!
This is the reality you need to deal with:
Caucasians: group O, 44%; A1, 33%; A2, 10%; B, 9%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Blacks: group O, 49%; A1, 19%; A2, 8%; B, 20%; A1B, 3%; A2B, 1%
Asians: group O, 43%; A1, 27%; A2, rare; B, 25%; A1B, 5%; A2B, rare
G. Paoli, in "ABO Typing of Ancient Egyptians" IN _Population biology of ancient Egyptians_, edited by D.R. Brothwell and B.A. Chiarelli, London, New York, 1973, showed that the Dynastic Egyptians were most closely matched with the Haratin of the northern Sahara. Paoli mentions the theory of Cabot-Briggs (Cabot-Briggs, L. (1958), _The Living Races of the Sahara Desert, Massachussets) that this resemblance might indicate the origin of the Haratin. Here are the figures given for the two groups from Paoli (p. 464):
Modern Northern Haratin and Dynastic Egyptian ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No. O A B AB p q r ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Egyptians 160 34 64 34 28 34.35 21.45 44.20 (Paoli) Haratin 202 40 80 57 25 30.99 23.14 48.87 (Mourant) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Black North Africans are closer to Ancient Egyptians than modern day Egyptians.
END of Line you punk as bitch!
Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
No Osirion you are wrong, Egyptians were Northern "Caucasians", Lapps, Icelanders, Scandinavians and what not. lol
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ Hey Bogus - shut up or put up some evidence.
Deal with this:
G. Paoli, in "ABO Typing of Ancient Egyptians" IN _Population biology of ancient Egyptians_, edited by D.R. Brothwell and B.A. Chiarelli, London, New York, 1973, showed that the Dynastic Egyptians were most closely matched with the Haratin of the northern Sahara. Paoli mentions the theory of Cabot-Briggs (Cabot-Briggs, L. (1958), _The Living Races of the Sahara Desert, Massachussets) that this resemblance might indicate the origin of the Haratin. Here are the figures given for the two groups from Paoli (p. 464):
Modern Northern Haratin and Dynastic Egyptian ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No. O A B AB p q r ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Egyptians 160 34 64 34 28 34.35 21.45 44.20 (Paoli) Haratin 202 40 80 57 25 30.99 23.14 48.87 (Mourant) -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
J. Philippe Rushton You have not had a victory on this board since the time of the Gods..You like playing the part of masochocist..you stay getting getting your azz whipped.
Posted by Bogle (Member # 16736) on :
He was embarrassed a few months back under the name "fawal" and here again under "J. Philippe Rushton". The guy is a masochist indeed!
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Bogle ^he can't be Fawal..Fawal got some kinda brains on him although he is dead wrong and a racist to boot this guy is a total dumb azz.. Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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I still think our J. Philippe Rushton is Dirk8. Keep in mind that (1) they don't come to one another's aid and (2) when one dominates to board for some days, the other is absent.
Why? Because Mr. aristocratically-sounding J. Philippe Rushton is likely a Dirk8 alias.
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Sooner or later, these White Boys will find their "True" Name and Identity. That being........
Alfred E. Neuman
Posted by lzkh (Member # 16646) on :
"Mad" is about right. "J. Phillepe" over here on ES is a guy user-named blacksupremacist on Arguewithanyone.com who keeps getting into these debates with rancid racists. He copies and pastes their posts from Arguewith over here to ES, then copies and pastes replies people make here on ES back to Arguewith, rather than do his own research.
He also keeps playing the racists game over there. Their only hope is loudness, yelling 'nigger' every line as if that will cover their stupidity. Much better he lets them debate by themselves while copying massive chunks of 'Mein Kampf' or other such filler to their threads.
Much better he comes on ES and summarizes their idiotic points/arguments, or provide just brief excerpts, then ask for comment, rather than trolling here and copying and pasting all their racist garbage over here on ES. He is only playing into their hands. The racist dogs want attention and he is providing it. Why give an enemy what he most wants? It is also laziness on his part. If he is going to keep feeding them, he needs to do his own research, and if he wants help he should not be dumping all their racist crud over here.
He should know better. Copying and pasting arguments is one thing- the other garbage is another. The fact that Blacksuprema is not even cleaning up the garbage before he brings it over here, but trolls along with straight copy and paste shows how lazy he is.
Blacksupremacist your best bet is to let them "debate" themselves, comforting themselves with erroneous "facts". Clean up and post brief pieces here where they can be quickly destroyed with real facts. There is no need to copy and paste over replies to the rabid dogs, who will not be convinced anyway. Leave them in isolation while they keep reinforcing their errors. They will not be convinced by any of your counterarguments. Why pay attention to or attempt to convince people whose main activity is hollering 'nigger'? Why get into the gutter and play their game?
Tactically your approach is all wrong.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
lzkh - There are few serious posters left, amusing ourselves with the White rabble is about all that's left.
Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
Brothers and sisters, I'm debating some devils on arguewitheveryone and need sources proving Ancient Kemet was Black and that their blood type was not Caucasoid. Could you all help me out?
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
blacksupremacist123
quote: Brothers and sisters, I'm debating some devils on arguewitheveryone and need sources proving Ancient Kemet was Black and that their blood type was not Caucasoid. Could you all help me out?
HELL NO!!! Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: blacksupremacist123
quote: Brothers and sisters, I'm debating some devils on arguewitheveryone and need sources proving Ancient Kemet was Black and that their blood type was not Caucasoid. Could you all help me out?
HELL NO!!!
Brada-Anansi why won't you aid me in proving the Kemetians were Black? You all told me, if I would stop using a sock account and stop cutting and pasting back and forth between arguewitheveryone and Egypt Search Forum, you all would help me out. You must be one of those uncle toms, that consistently attacks and ridicules the 100% factual, credible, and respectable research of the extremely intelligent scholars known as Marc Washington and Clyde Winters.
The blood of our ancestors who built the Pyramids, does not run through you.
The spirit of the Zulus, who defeated the British does not emanate from you.
The blood of the Nubians, who defeated the Arabs does not run through you.
The blood of our ancestors who built the world's first civilization does not run through you.
The courage of our ancestors who survived 500 years of slavery, suffering and death does not run through you.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
blacksupremacist123 - You might try to find somewhere else to be.
Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: blacksupremacist123 - You might try to find somewhere else to be.
Good job Brother Mike, proving the Etruscans, Hebrews, Persians and other civilizations cracker 'people' have lied about, where Black. The uncle toms on this board could only scream "pseudo history" but they couldn't actually refute you point by point. You are my idol. I am leaving arguewitheveryone but I am not leaving this place. These crackers' on arguewitheveryone disgust me and their opinions are worthless to me. I rather associate with my own people here.
Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
Damn these crackers on arguewitheveryone are so retarded, I'm dead serious. They accuse me of stealing the ancient Kemetian civilization from whites when whites had nothing to do with the establishment of the Kemetiancivilization. I went to stormfront making a post about how ancient kemet was Black and they denied my post. They fear the truth. If they really were right then they'd be able to have a civil conversation but they can't take that. They talk about Black on White rape or murder but ignore the fact that their ancestors have been the biggest murderers and rapists against non-White which is the real cause of hatred toward their evil, disgraceful race. The CRACKERS on argue witheveryone forum are just to genetically inferior for me to be around.
I want to thank Mike, Clyde and Marc Washigton again for presenting 100% factual, error free, research on the accomplishments of the Afrikan race. . I also want to thank Djenuti, Morpheous,Brade, astenb Zaharan and other posters who helped me put those crackers on argumentwitheveryone to shame. Just pat yourselves on the back. Your arguments simply blew those crackers away. Your arguments should be studied by like-minded individuals and you all (epically Marc Washigton and Clyde Winters) have inspired me.
Good luck brothers.
Posted by AswaniAswad (Member # 16742) on :
AHAHAHHAHHHAAHHAHH IM DEBATING SOME DEVILS I NEED SOURCES PROVING ANCIENT KEMET WAS BLACK.
I STOP DEBATING AFRICAN AMERICANS EUROPEANS AND ALL OTHERS TRYING TO TELL ME WHO MY PEOPLE ARE IM EGYPTIAN FROM KEMET NON AFRICAN AMERICAN NON EUROPEAN NON ARAB NON ASIAN JUST MASRI.
ITS BETTER BLACKSUPREMACIST IF U AND THOSE DEVILS U ARE DEBATING WITH JUST SHUT UP CAUSE NONE OF U ARE FROM KEMET NO MATTER HOW MUCH RESEARCH U DO
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
AswaniAswad - Is this your claim to authenticity???
MASRI: Egyptian Arabic is a variety of the Arabic language of the Semitic branch of the Afroasiatic language family. It originated in the Nile Delta in Lower Egypt around the capital Cairo. Descended from the spoken Arabic brought to Egypt during the AD seventh-century Muslim conquest, its development was influenced mainly by the indigenous Copto-Egyptian language of pre-Islamic Egypt, and later by other languages such as Turkish, French and English. The 76 million Egyptians speak a continuum of dialects, among which Cairene is the most prominent. It is also understood across most of the Arab World due to the predominance of Egyptian media, making it the most widely spoken and one of the most widely studied varieties of Arabic.
The terms Egyptian Arabic and Masri are usually used synonymously with "Cairene Arabic", the dialect of the Egyptian capital. The country's native name, Maṣr, is used locally to refer to the capital Cairo itself. Similar to the role played by Parisian French, Masri is by far the most dominant in all areas of national life. While it is essentially a spoken language, it is encountered in written form in novels, plays, poems (vernacular literature) as well as in comics, advertising, some newspapers and transcriptions of popular songs. In most other written media and in TV news reporting, a standard register of Classical Arabic is used. The Egyptian vernacular is normally written in the Arabic alphabet for local consumption, although it is commonly transcribed into Latin letters or in the International Phonetic Alphabet in linguistics text and textbooks aimed at teaching non-native learners.
Funny, I don't see the resemblance. .
MASRI
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"Real" Egyptian
Posted by lzkh (Member # 16646) on :
Black Suprem: You should have had more respect for the posters here rather than copying and pasting over racist garbage. At the very least you could have cleaned up and edited out the crud before copying and pasting.
And aint no test of blackness to deal with them. You will never convince the racist idiots. Their primary tactic is to holler 'nigger' to cover their weak arguments. That's what they build their whole strategy around. Why play to their strengths in forums where you are outnumbered? Honest debate is one thing, but there is no honest debate with these fools.
You have nothing left to prove. Its over. They know that but their primary tactic is just to keep hollering and repeting. Why keep giving them multiple opportunities to do so? You are playing to their strengths.
They are posting several fake studies and facts around the web. It is better to use a wide area strategy that exposes them in several different places. They can't pull back or recall what they have posted, so they can be exposed as idiotic frauds in a variety of venues- blogs, articles etc.. You are playing to their strengths by choosing to do battle where the deck is stacked in their favor and you are already outnumbered. That's not a smart strategy. Pick your battles more carefully. Use a smarter, wider area approach.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Of the 4th dyn. God Amun. Neferitari Khemset Kushtites on trade or tribute mission Queen Tiye Nebhepetre Mentuhotep II
You said death blow to what??
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^^Death blow to Ruston Filipe the Joker...
Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
This retarded, inbred, colonizing, mass murdering, rapist responded.
quote: A quick read in this thread shows the A.E. to be of White Caucasoid stock. The evidence is overwhelming.
*Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans
*largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians
*A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations
*European Caucasians: a relatively high incidence of group A2
*the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present
*Diop acknowledged that A2 was strictly a White European blood grouping: “A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” Diop
*sub Saharans do not cluster with Egyptians
*Not a single anthropologist, geneticist or Egyptologist has ever said that Egypt was a negro civilization.
*Tut was determined to be Caucasian by several anthropologists. He was NEVER labeled as a Negro. This rules out any possibility of Tut being a Negroid and the fact that they kept it in the family also rules out any possible “hiding” Negroes.
"Tutankhamun was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it." Hawass
European Americans have 10% A2 West Africans have 2% A2 Mixed American negroids have 6% A2 sizes.com/people/blood_groups.htm
So whatever A2 a negro has, it came from Whites.
A in general is higher among White populations than any other population: A: 43% Caucasians, 27% Blacks, 28% Asians ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshel...n&part=ch05ABO
Your own chart shows Europeans closer to Egyptians than Bantu. (40) European. (36) Egyptian. (30) Bantu. Do the math.
More Afrocentric lies. * D’Adamo never claims that A2 is trivial. (Nefertiti pointed this lie out several times) * Its more than just Lapps. Scandinavians, and N.W. Europeans. Even you pointed out in your graph English and German have higher instances than negroes. The Irish: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9523161 Scottish: medscape.com/medline/abstract/727702 *Daniels states:
“The frequency of A is quite high (40-60%) in Europe, especially in Scandinavia and parts of Central Europe” page 23
“A2 is found mainly in Europe, the Near East, and Africa, but is either very rare or absent from indigenous populations throughout the rest of the world” page 23
Therefore whatever A2 Africa received; it received it from ancient Caucasoid migrations into North Africa before there were any Egyptians.
Tut was not classified as a negro or West African but as a Caucasoid, the very people who you viciously disparage in this forum.
"Blood group A initially appeared in any significant numbers in the early Caucasian peoples, sometime between 25,000 and 15,000 B.C., somewhere in western Asia or the Middle East. The gene for group A was carried into Western Europe and Asia during the movement of these Neolithic societies, especially a branch termed the Indo-Europeans.
Unlike blood groups B and O, there are many varieties of group A. The major grouping, A1, accounts for about ninety-five percent of all A blood. The largest subgroup, A2, is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particularly among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area. They are almost unique in their high frequency of A, and have the highest frequency of A2, registering forty-two percent in one group. The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations." spiritconnectionstore.com/human-anomalies.htm
1A is Caucasoid. +1 A sub groups are Caucasoid. ----------------- =2 Tut is classified as Caucasian not negro, Kenyan, Zimbabwean or West African.
You Afrocentrics have been caught lying on more than one occasion:
But not higher than Asians, Chinese, Indians and Siberians. He also says “in general” and “independent of any racial categorization” which would also include North African Caucasoids and South African Caucasoids which doesn’t give any clear definitions of B.
D’Adamo doesn’t list the link, nor does he say that B is a sub Saharan blood group or even strictly sub saharan. He even states that it could be the result of intermingling or the original B gene is unknown. On page 15 D’Adamo elaborates that
“B continues to be an “Eastern” blood group. It is found in high numbers among Asians such as the Chinese, Indians and Siberians.”
“Modern subcontinental Indians, a Caucasian people, have some of the highest frequencies of blood group B in the world.”
“AB resulted from the intermingling of group A Caucasian people and group B Mongolian people.”
The only one who mentioned anything about 33% is you RE: (Africans 66% - Europeans 33%).
You have accused D’Adamo as lying.
You have accused Egyptologists as lying.
You have accused anthropologists as lying.
You have accused geneticists as lying.
You have accused Nefertiti as lying.
You have accused Tim as lying.
You have accused everyone that disagrees with your racist non-historical “view” as lying. But the only liars here are you two.
I have witnessed many deathblows against the Afrocentrics in this forum. Afrocentric lies benefit no one, especially lying Afrocentrics who lie about lying.
Now you are so desperate that you beg for help from your hang out joint:
Posted by blacksupremacist123 (Member # 16906) on :
Thanks a lot for the help guys. I apologize for terriozing this great site. I just wanted to get rebutals to the whites who were trying to steal our Kemetian heritage. I agree, I should have at least removed their vile racial epithetes. These idiots have been defeated. All they can do now is cry and wine about me getting help from the wise men of Egypt Search Forum.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Ok blacksupremacist123 I have visited that vile cesspool and saw what you are trying to do but it's still wrong..and I can see where they have an effect on you just being there, even the title you gave to your self is to match their idiotic Behavior ,when you hang-out with idiots constantly you will be come one.. Behavior is learned after-all..my unsolicited advice... leave!! learn more about the subject you want to engage in debate in. Do not adopt their dim-witted mode of thinking and expressions in reverse..it is not always easy but try to hold yourself to a higher standard...if you are not one of those people you are quickly on your way to becomming one of them in black-face..nuff said.
Posted by lzkh (Member # 16646) on :
Yeah, I think what happened to Black Suprem is that he went on there with his own version of racial supremacy and got in over his head. Now they circle like vultures. Live by the sword die by the sword. And he is not taking the time to understand the info, just text dumping answers.
Anyway these racist idiots have already been debunked in detail as shown below. There aint nothing left to prove. Why hang on when you can exit on a high note?
Over the weekend i was at the Boston Museum of Fine arts where this and the other heads were found. There are still traces of brown paint on these heads. I took a couple of pictures and will upload them.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
That would be great still no definate ID on the head except he? belong to the Cheop's family.
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Yes, Tut and his family looked so white indeed with their chocolate to ebony dark complexions.
And LMAO @ Philippe being debunked by his own source or even attempting to use outdated blood-groupings as population genetics!
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: ^^ lol.. earlier our 'Aryan scientists' claimed that there were no blacks with the MN gene.. Now their own source, the conservative Boyd above, contradicts them. Incompetents..
Aryan 'gene transfusion' at work... lmao..
Indeed!
ROTFLMAOH
Seriously, this thread as well as Zarahan's posts cracked me up to tears. Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^ lol.. yeah Aryan "science at work".. And the more references they keep throwing out the weaker their case becomes. They are now shopping the notion that type A2 blood was shipped into Africa by inflowing whites or white "Asiatics" and that this is not a "native" blood type. But a review of studies on African blood types close to the Nile Valley shows the reputed "white blood" to be in high proportions among stereotypical "negro" tribes. The high genetic diversity of africa and its source as the original starting point ensures such diversity. No "wandering Caucasoids" are needed to explain Africa's high range of variation.
Sudanese blood studies: Note that blood Type A is HIGHEST in stereotypical 'negroid' groups like the Nuba, higher than the late-coming 'caucasoid' Arabs. Note too how other 'negroid groups' like the Dinka post Type A percentages almost as high as the late-coming Arabs. This diversity undercuts simplistic 'Aryan' claims about Africa.
East African blood studies: Again note how the supposedly more caucasoid "Hamites" are beaten out on percentages of blood Type A by stereotypical "true" negro 'Congomorphs', an outcome that should be 'impossible' under "Aryan science". Notice how the Tutsi are lumped under the "Hamitic" (read caucasoid) label, but the Tutsi's DNA is overwhelmingly E3a- similar to many West Africans. The diversity of Africa makes "Aryan" claims ludricrous.
^ Correct. Even outdated sources on racial groups claim the "Negroid race" to possess the highest diversity blood groups at frequencies not found among other racial groups such as high frequency of R0 (Rh), high presence of U-negative (MNSs) and even high presence of rare types like V and Fy (Duffy system) as well as a high diversity of blood factors like haptogloblin variants. This was one of the reasons why scientists during this time postulated human origins in Africa well before advancements in molecular genetics!
As usual, Rushton proves this thread to be the WORST argument for a white Egypt-- just another of many death blows to the writhing undead zombie that is eurocentricism Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
lol.. true.. a look at Somali blood groups confirms what you say and contradicts claims of so called special "Caucasian blood" in them.
A study done in Human Heredity examined blood groups of Somalis. They found little evidence of much Caucasoid admixture and found Somalis are much more related to other Africans, than Europeans or Middle Easterners .
The Somalis showed high levels of Type O, a pattern similar to many other African populations. It also showed small frequencies of blood type A2, supposedly a "special" type confined only to Europeans. In Africa however, A2 is anything but "special", and appears in Bantu and other black populations as well. Africa has the highest variant distribution of blood type A. In comparison with East Africans and other groups , the Somalis clustered closer to other Africans, than to Middle Easterners like the Arabs, contradicting claims of Sanchez,Hammer, etc etc that East Africans like Somalis are more related to Eurasians than Africans.
[quotes] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The results of a population survey on blood group distribution in Somalia, East Africa, are presented. Over 1,000 subjects were tested for most blood groups included in the survey. The sampling covered the whole country and was well in accordance with the population density as estimated by the recorded birth places of the subjects. Altogether, 46 blood group antigens were tested, partly common antigens within 11 of the major blood group systems, but also infrequent and very frequent antigens, some not tested before in Africa, were included. The results were compared with the available data for other related peoples and for populations from the same geographical area. The standard genetic distances were also applied in the comparison. The results suggest that only a minor component in the genetic constitution of the Somali population can be ascribed to Caucasian admixture. They are markedly in contrast with some earlier findings. During the survey we observed a previously unknown Rh gene complex occurring with a polymorphic frequency in Somalis."
"It is evident that our results point only to a minor admixture of Caucasian genes in the Somali population. Among these might be the relatively high frequency of Dce, the low M and the unequal distribution of S and between s between M and N as well as the somewhat lower Fy4 as compared with East African Bantus. Consequently it is very probable that the long-standing cultural and other connections with the Arabic world have not similarly found expression in the genetic make-up of the Somali population as they have affected the society. Rather to the contrary, it is known that the nearby Arab populations are the ones that have quite a considerable admixture of African genes. However there are similarities between the Cushitic peoples, as in Rh and MNSs frequencies, which today differentiate them from other populations in this part of African continent. Rather than suggesting a recent admixture (within the past 1,000 years or so), these could be of a very ancient nature, dating back to a period of consolidation of the aboriginal Cushitic population from which the presently known groups later diverged."
-- P. Sistonend, J. Koistinena, Aden Abdulleb. (1987) Distribution of Blood Groups in the East African Somali Population Hum Hered. 37(5):300-313
like you say, blood groups are the WORST ARGUMENT..
Posted by horn-afrik (Member # 17069) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: lol.. true.. a look at Somali blood groups confirms what you say and contradicts claims of so called special "Caucasian blood" in them.
A study done in Human Heredity examined blood groups of Somalis. They found little evidence of much Caucasoid admixture and found Somalis are much more related to other Africans, than Europeans or Middle Easterners .
The Somalis showed high levels of Type O, a pattern similar to many other African populations. It also showed small frequencies of blood type A2, supposedly a "special" type confined only to Europeans. In Africa however, A2 is anything but "special", and appears in Bantu and other black populations as well. Africa has the highest variant distribution of blood type A. In comparison with East Africans and other groups , the Somalis clustered closer to other Africans, than to Middle Easterners like the Arabs, contradicting claims of Sanchez,Hammer, etc etc that East Africans like Somalis are more related to Eurasians than Africans.
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hi zarahan, I've read most your posts and you present some interesting theories and obviously do a lot research. However I simply can not accept the out of africa( from monkey to men) theory, all humans originate from the middle east. as mixed Ethiopian-Somali me self, I can trace back my ancestors 2k+ yeara as most in the region, we are simply very good historians, be it written records(ethiopians mainly) or oral records(somalis).
There are many historic archaeological and textual evidence that firms puts our origin in the Arabian peninsula. this doesnt mean we arabs or jews but simply that we share recent common ancestor (maybe 3k-4k, total guesstimation on my part).
the world is not just black and white it is much more complex than that.
btw are you somali? Im asking because of your name sounds like zahra
Posted by MindoverMatter718 (Member # 15400) on :
quote:Originally posted by horn-afrik: However I simply can not accept the out of africa( from monkey to men) theory, all humans originate from the middle east.
Huh? Out of Africa doesn't propose that humans originate in the middle east, but rather East Africa...
Ethiopia, and places in south Africa preserved the oldest bones of anatomically modern humans(such as ourselves) to this day dating back 200kya, not the middle east...
quote:Originally posted by horn-afrik: There are many historic archaeological and textual evidence that firms puts our origin in the Arabian peninsula.
No there isn't, refer to my above post..
quote:Originally posted by horn-afrik: we share recent common ancestor (maybe 3k-4k, total guesstimation on my part).
Nope, wrong.
quote:Originally posted by horn-afrik: the world is not just black and white it is much more complex than that.
Of course, now you should go read about it.
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
Nope, not Somali, and always have to credit the vets on ES for their research over the years- a lot longer than me. I agree that the world is complex but how do you mean the Out of Africa theory is monkeys to men?
And are you sure all humans originate in the Mid East?
On the Ethiopians and Somalians I have not run into much evidence that puts their origin from the Arabian penisula. We all know that in comparatively recent times, Kya, there was some movement from the penisula into the Horn of Africa, but what info points to the ORIGIN of Ethiopians and Somalis from Arabia?. If you have any info on this by all means provide some references. I would be glad to see anything overlooked.
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quote:Originally posted by horn-afrik:
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: lol.. true.. a look at Somali blood groups confirms what you say and contradicts claims of so called special "Caucasian blood" in them.
A study done in Human Heredity examined blood groups of Somalis. They found little evidence of much Caucasoid admixture and found Somalis are much more related to other Africans, than Europeans or Middle Easterners .
The Somalis showed high levels of Type O, a pattern similar to many other African populations. It also showed small frequencies of blood type A2, supposedly a "special" type confined only to Europeans. In Africa however, A2 is anything but "special", and appears in Bantu and other black populations as well. Africa has the highest variant distribution of blood type A. In comparison with East Africans and other groups , the Somalis clustered closer to other Africans, than to Middle Easterners like the Arabs, contradicting claims of Sanchez,Hammer, etc etc that East Africans like Somalis are more related to Eurasians than Africans.
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hi zarahan, I've read most your posts and you present some interesting theories and obviously do a lot research. However I simply can not accept the out of africa( from monkey to men) theory, all humans originate from the middle east. as mixed Ethiopian-Somali me self, I can trace back my ancestors 2k+ yeara as most in the region, we are simply very good historians, be it written records(ethiopians mainly) or oral records(somalis).
There are many historic archaeological and textual evidence that firms puts our origin in the Arabian peninsula. this doesnt mean we arabs or jews but simply that we share recent common ancestor (maybe 3k-4k, total guesstimation on my part).
the world is not just black and white it is much more complex than that.
btw are you somali? Im asking because of your name sounds like zahra
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
horn-afrik:
quote:However I simply can not accept the out of africa( from monkey to men) theory, all humans originate from the middle east.
That would only make sense if your approach is Bibical/Koranic..which if it is then the garden of Eden and presumably man's creation streaches from the Euphretes to the Nile in EastAfrica.
Posted by horn-afrik (Member # 17069) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: Nope, not Somali, and always have to credit the vets on ES for their research over the years- a lot longer than me. I agree that the world is complex but how do you mean the Out of Africa theory is monkeys to men?
And are you sure all humans originate in the Mid East?
On the Ethiopians and Somalians I have not run into much evidence that puts their origin from the Arabian penisula. We all know that in comparatively recent times, Kya, there was some movement from the penisula into the Horn of Africa, but what info points to the ORIGIN of Ethiopians and Somalis from Arabia?. If you have any info on this by all means provide some references. I would be glad to see anything overlooked.
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1.The out of Africa theory is based on the "fact" that mankind evolved from african monkeys. As a muslim myself we dont deny that evelution ever happened, but we believe modern humans just evolved from early humans (Adam and Eve) to adopt to rapidly changing inviroment.
2. all humans are the children of noah According to Genesis 10, Noah had three sons: "Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (north and north-east Africa), Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic),Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)"
Ethiopians and Somalis are generally thought to be descent of kush son of Ham, however north ethiopians have atleast 40% solomonic blood. back in the day hamatic(I know outdated racist term) and semetic people were mixing back and forth.
The Kebra Nagast or Book of Kings, explains the origins of the Solomonic line of the Emperors of Ethiopia and how theQueen of Sheba met Solomon, who btw according to the bible was a cushite.
"Their country is regarded as being, most likely, the district of Saba, North of Adulis, on the west coast of the Red Sea. There is just a possibility that the Sabi River, stretching from the coast to the Zambesi and the Limpopo, which was utilized as a waterway by the states in that region, though, through silting, not suitable now, may contain a trace of the name, and perhaps testifies to still more southern extensions of the power and influence of the Sebaim. (See Th. Bent, The Ruined Cities of Mashonaland, 1892.) The ruins of this tract are regarded as being the work of others than the black natives of the country. Dillmann, however, suggests (on Gen 10:7) that the people of Seba were another branch of the Cushites East of Napatha by the Arabian Sea, of which Strabo (xvi. 4, 8, 10) and Ptolemy (iv.7, 7 f) give information." http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/S/SEBA/
As for Somalis,according to many medieval and modern Islamic historians the Darod clan more than 1/3 of the somalis, desceded from Aqeel ibn Abi Talib, the cousin of the Prophet Mohamed(SCW)
"The 9th century Islamic writer, Al- Masudi wrote in his Aquiline book ( the descendants of the prophet Mohammed's young cousin Aqeel Ibn Abu Talib) that several Quraish sub-clans moved to to the city of Jabarta and the Zeila (Somalia) region around the ninth century A.D. Some key sub-clans include Banu Shams, Banu Abd Manaf and Banu Hashim. From the Banu Hashim, many Aquiline settlers lived in Jabarta such as Ahmed Ibn Husein Ibn Ali Al-Jabarti, Ahmed Ibn Omar Al-Zayli and most importantly he mentions the sufi Qadiriyah sheik Ismail Ibn Ibrahim Ibn Abdisamad Al-Aqeeyli Al-Zayli who is considered a Sufi saint in Yemen, the father of Darod(Abdirahman) the man most modern Darood claim have descended from. This sufi sheikh also had other sons -who all carry the surname "Jabarti"- where their tribes can be found in Southern Yemen, Eriteria, and parts of Saudi Arabia".
there many mor written records but are ufortunately in arabic and ge'ez(amahric)
I personally have always thought that the original inhabitants of the arabian peninsula were dark skinned people like the saudi and yemen nomads who still very resemble their somali neighbors.
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
Hmm, some points I agree with you, but not all.
1) The OOA theory relates to the migration of humans from an origin point in Africa to other parts of the globe. It is not the theory of evolution, although evolutionary processes would enter into the picture. "Monkeys to men" is the common phrase related more to the general theory of Evolution, not OOA.
2) According to Genesis 10, Ham was the father of 4 sons.
-- Mizraim- Egypt -- Cush- Mesopotamia/Ethiopia and perhaps adjoining areas in the Sudan and across the Red Sea -- Phut- Libya or Somalia -- Caanan- the Palestine, Lebanon area
So as Brada says above according to the Biblical approach, COMPARATIVELY RECENT (4-5kya) Somalia and Kush cultures MAY derive from a grouping of peoples centered around the Nile Valley, the Horn and Mesopotamia. After all, one of the rivers that ran out of the main garden of Eden river was 'Gihon which Genesis says "encompasses the land of Ethiopia or Cush."
2a) However, the above does not mean that the ORIGINAL peoples are from the Middle East. The Biblical narrative you reference deals with events after the Great Flood. But this still leaves peoples in place BEFORE the flood, and they could well have been comfortably in place in the Nile Valley or the Horn of Africa, before Noah's time. So the ORIGINAL starting point could still Africa, before the flood.
2b) Generally scientists dismiss the Biblical writings as myth, after all there is the evidence of evolution. Various writers have attempted to reconcile the Biblical narrative with OOA & evolution. I do not argue for any of their theories just mentioning them. One is that the 7 days of creation refer to 7 periods of indefinite length, beginning with a "Big Bang" -" let there be light", and proceeding thru the appearance of waters (which includes the moist oxygen mix atmosphere needed for earth life), plant life, etc. each of the periods could be trillions of years long, leaving plenty of time to accommodate evolution of numerous plants, animals and hominids.
Another approach is the so-called Gap Theory from the 1300s, which sought to reconcile Genesis 1 vs 2 with a verse in Isaiah saying that the earth was not created as waste. These writers posit a gap of unknown length between Genesis vs 1 and Genesis vs 2. What happened in that gap, or how long it was, no one knows. The Gap was ended in Genesis 1, vs 3, when the wasted earth "waste and void" was rejuvenated with new life forms. However these life forms as Genesis says were 'after their kind" - held by some to suggest that the life forms currently on earth, are "after their kind" - that is- they resemble archaic forms that preceded them. Hence the elephant looks like the mammoth that preceded it millions of years ago, and modern men look like the upright hominids that preceded them eons ago. In the era of evolution and Darwin, the gap theory was resurrected to account for the eons of evolution between the 2 verses. Gap creationists believe that science has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the Earth is far older than can be accounted for by, for instance, adding up the ages of Biblical patriarchs. Their model they claim, accounts for the huge time periods of evolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism
2c) Therefore, if either the 7-day/7-phases model, or the Gap Model is followed, the Biblical narrative is reconciled with evolution these writers argue. Both reconciliation models allow for the eons of evolution and OOA. This would mean that the origin of Somalis and Ethiopians would STILL be in Africa, not the Mideast, before any outward migrations. Modern science of course does not accept any reconciliation models. But in any event, either way, the origin point would likely be Africa, not the Middle East.
3) Your references to the Kebra Nagast are probably accurate but the Solomonic lineages occured thousands of years AFTER formation of the Nile valley civilization, or the growth of early cultures in the Horn, and hundreds of thousands of years AFTER the OOA migrations. So again, people living in Somalia and Ethiopia have been in place a long time before Solomon, or Arabs appeared. This puts their starting point again, in Africa.
4) You are right to say the original inhabitants of the arabian penisula were dark-skinned. Hanihara 1996 shows that early middle easterners looked like tropical Africans (see diagram below). So any inflow from these areas into Africa in those early periods would be by dark-skinned, African looking types.
Posted by horn-afrik (Member # 17069) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: Hmm, some points I agree with you, but not all.
1) The OOA theory relates to the migration of humans from an origin point in Africa to other parts of the globe. It is not the theory of evolution, although evolutionary processes would enter into the picture. "Monkeys to men" is the common phrase related more to the general theory of Evolution, not OOA.
2) According to Genesis 10, Ham was the father of 4 sons.
-- Mizraim- Egypt -- Cush- Mesopotamia/Ethiopia and perhaps adjoining areas in the Sudan and across the Red Sea -- Phut- Libya or Somalia -- Caanan- the Palestine, Lebanon area
So as Brada says above according to the Biblical approach, COMPARATIVELY RECENT (4-5kya) Somalia and Kush cultures MAY derive from a grouping of peoples centered around the Nile Valley, the Horn and Mesopotamia. After all, one of the rivers that ran out of the main garden of Eden river was 'Gihon which Genesis says "encompasses the land of Ethiopia or Cush."
2a) However, the above does not mean that the ORIGINAL peoples are from the Middle East. The Biblical narrative you reference deals with events after the Great Flood. But this still leaves peoples in place BEFORE the flood, and they could well have been comfortably in place in the Nile Valley or the Horn of Africa, before Noah's time. So the ORIGINAL starting point could still Africa, before the flood.
2b) Generally scientists dismiss the Biblical writings as myth, after all there is the evidence of evolution. Various writers have attempted to reconcile the Biblical narrative with OOA & evolution. I do not argue for any of their theories just mentioning them. One is that the 7 days of creation refer to 7 periods of indefinite length, beginning with a "Big Bang" -" let there be light", and proceeding thru the appearance of waters (which includes the moist oxygen mix atmosphere needed for earth life), plant life, etc. each of the periods could be trillions of years long, leaving plenty of time to accommodate evolution of numerous plants, animals and hominids.
Another approach is the so-called Gap Theory from the 1300s, which sought to reconcile Genesis 1 vs 2 with a verse in Isaiah saying that the earth was not created as waste. These writers posit a gap of unknown length between Genesis vs 1 and Genesis vs 2. What happened in that gap, or how long it was, no one knows. The Gap was ended in Genesis 1, vs 3, when the wasted earth "waste and void" was rejuvenated with new life forms. However these life forms as Genesis says were 'after their kind" - held by some to suggest that the life forms currently on earth, are "after their kind" - that is- they resemble archaic forms that preceded them. Hence the elephant looks like the mammoth that preceded it millions of years ago, and modern men look like the upright hominids that preceded them eons ago. In the era of evolution and Darwin, the gap theory was resurrected to account for the eons of evolution between the 2 verses. Gap creationists believe that science has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the Earth is far older than can be accounted for by, for instance, adding up the ages of Biblical patriarchs. Their model they claim, accounts for the huge time periods of evolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism
2c) Therefore, if either the 7-day/7-phases model, or the Gap Model is followed, the Biblical narrative is reconciled with evolution these writers argue. Both reconciliation models allow for the eons of evolution and OOA. This would mean that the origin of Somalis and Ethiopians would STILL be in Africa, not the Mideast, before any outward migrations. Modern science of course does not accept any reconciliation models. But in any event, either way, the origin point would likely be Africa, not the Middle East.
3) Your references to the Kebra Nagast are probably accurate but the Solomonic lineages occured thousands of years AFTER formation of the Nile valley civilization, or the growth of early cultures in the Horn, and hundreds of thousands of years AFTER the OOA migrations. So again, people living in Somalia and Ethiopia have been in place a long time before Solomon, or Arabs appeared. This puts their starting point again, in Africa.
1. from experience, those who advocate for the "from ape to human" evalution theory also support the the OOA theory.
2. I know same Somali-yemeni acadamics who believe that the garden of eden is located in the gulf of eden, the Land of Punt(the land of god)to the egyption, Sheba/Seba to the arabs and the ethiopians. perticularly in the north-east region of somalia, where all the descriptions of the quran and the bible can be found, the plants, trees, fruits, exotics animals waterfalls, rivers(now days just dried up river beds).
However, untill the region(or any other region in africa) is excavated throughly and there is undisbutible archaeological, I will sit on the fences on this one.
on a side note, north-east of somalia is littered with ancient ruins, it will be interesting to see archaeologist try to ucover the secrets of the ancient dwellers of the land.
please remenber I am only human and not always right
Posted by zarahan (Member # 15718) on :
^^ Hey no problem. I agree with you on certain points. I would not say the ORIGINAL Horn peoples are from the Mideast, but at various historic times there was much interchange between the Arabian Peninsula and the Horn. Some using the Biblical narrative say that the sons of Cush would cover the Yemen area, and Mesopotamia, for Nimrod Son of Cush's beginning was Babel which was suceeded by Nineveh and others. It the narrative is true, from thence went out Asshur- so Cush would cover the Assyrians, Nineveh and many others in the general location. Cush would not strictly be Horn of Africa according to this particular model.
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Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 10:7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan. 10:8 And Cush begot Nimrod: he began to be mighty on the earth. 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before Jehovah; therefore it is said, As Nimrod, the mighty hunter before Jehovah! 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 10:11 From that land went out Asshur, and built Nineveh, and Rehoboth-Ir, and Calah, 10:12 and Resen, between Nineveh and Calah: this is the great city.
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Posted by horn-afrik (Member # 17069) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: ^^ Hey no problem. I agree with you on certain points. I would not say the ORIGINAL Horn peoples are from the Mideast, but at various historic times there was much interchange between the Arabian Peninsula and the Horn. Some using the Biblical narrative say that the sons of Cush would cover the Yemen area, and Mesopotamia, for Nimrod Son of Cush's beginning was Babel which was suceeded by Nineveh and others. It the narrative is true, from thence went out Asshur- so Cush would cover the Assyrians, Nineveh and many others in the general location. Cush would not strictly be Horn of Africa according to this particular model.
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Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 10:7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan. 10:8 And Cush begot Nimrod: he began to be mighty on the earth. 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before Jehovah; therefore it is said, As Nimrod, the mighty hunter before Jehovah! 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 10:11 From that land went out Asshur, and built Nineveh, and Rehoboth-Ir, and Calah, 10:12 and Resen, between Nineveh and Calah: this is the great city.
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I agree, and actually as you stated earlier some somali historian say somalis are descendants of phut and are cushitised(if that is even a word)the yemis to the north and ethiopians to the west.
the one thing everyone agrees on is that we are africans.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Horn-afrik, you are obviously confused! The Out-of-Africa theory is simply that humankind originated in Africa and that some of them left to populate Eurasia and the rest of the world. That is all the theory is! It has nothing to do with 'monkey to man' which is the evolutionary theory of emergence of species!!
There is more than enough evidence to support African genesis of humankind with anthropologicall the oldest human remains being in Africa, archaelogically with the oldest cultural remains being in Africa, and genetics tracing all human genes and lineages to Africa!
Evolution and development of the human species from another species is a different matter but science supports that as well.
Keep in mind that the Genesis stories of the Bible and Quran postdate the appearance of humans by at least a couple hundred millennia. I believe such stories merely reflect the origins of these particular Middle Eastern people so much as the origins of everyone on earth. Notice that East Asian and Native American peoples are not included as the progeny of Genesis accounts.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Getting back to the topic...
Where is Phillipo dumbass, and what does he have to say about what Zarahan and I gave?? Posted by Bonkers (Member # 18572) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Personally I would expect that much of the New Kingdom would have Asiatic blood. That the Hyksos were absorbed into the population (especially the females).
Therefore, Caucasian blood type in King Tut would not surprise me at all.
Being of mixed ancestry is not equivalent to being White by any means.
Still, however, if going by Blood type we still have the issue of the Haratins to deal with.
;-)
Why is Mahilda using the 'N' word. How uneducated sounding that is. Repugnant!
nope the hyksos took over the kingdom, so it would be the males of the asiatic hyksos that where absorbed and procreated with egyptian women while the caucasian asiatic females only procreated with the asiatic men.
point is if egyptians where of mixed white and black blood, then the white blood came from the paternal male side, while the the black came from black nubian women. that much is clear.
Posted by multisphinx (Member # 3595) on :
At the foolish individual who started this thread. Speaking in that manner has lost you all your credibility. What ever information you present means nothing. Learn to communicate civilly then maybe anyone will bother to read what you have to say. You think your vulgarity is going to change anything Joe. Your a damn fool.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by astenb:
Over the weekend i was at the Boston Museum of Fine arts where this and the other heads were found. There are still traces of brown paint on these heads. I took a couple of pictures and will upload them.
This sculptured head I have seen in books but had no idea there was still traces of brown paint. But it does not surprise me after I started seeing these traces on the seated scribnes of the Old Kingdom in the newer books. Thank you, for the info.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by osirion: [qb] Personally I would expect that much of the New Kingdom would have Asiatic blood. That the Hyksos were absorbed into the population (especially the females).
Therefore, Caucasian blood type in King Tut would not surprise me at all.
Being of mixed ancestry is not equivalent to being White by any means.
Still, however, if going by Blood type we still have the issue of the Haratins to deal with.
;-)
Why is Mahilda using the 'N' word. How uneducated sounding that is. Repugnant!
Osirion - I don't get this question about Broomhilda. What do you mean by uneducated sounding. What do you think she is? SHE'S NOT EDUCATED. Why are you surprised that she used the N word. What did you think she was about.
Why was I calling her site a pseudo site as in pseudosociopathic.LOL!
Do you understand what this woman is? She is not a scholar or even an academic, anthropologist or historian, Osirion. She is like many people that run around talking about things they don't know of - someone who said she started her blog because she was upset about the fact some "Berbers" told her they didn't like being called black. And who admittedly IS TAKING SOME ANTHROPOLOGY COURSES.
She probably has less education than u Osirion except that she wants others to think she's someone very academic and versed in anthropology because she's read some genetic papers on-line .
Did you think I was making this up?! This is the individual who started spreading the 'Afronut' and "bullocks" terms around. This is who had the audacity and arrogance to set herself up against real scholarship and academics from around the world. Just one of the now many white pseudoacademics on-line West (Samysamy25 is another) now emerging to claim they have all the answers and that they have proven educated people are "lying" about the blackness of ancient Egypt, mummy hair and black civilizations.lol!
Then people come back over to this site and post info and pictures as if it had some credibility to it. lol! Its funny but pitiful at the same time because some people are taking her seriously.
Osirion - sometimes I really wonder about you. Broomhilda has a right to use whatever words she wants as a nobody.
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan: Yawn...
Once again, they had disappointed der Fuehrer...
"Verflucht Blutgruppe Forschung! Inkompetenten Narren! Wo sind die reinen Weißen? Wo ist der "Todesstoß"?
Accursed blood group research! Imcompetent fools! Where are the pure whites? Where is the "death blow"?
Oh I thought my A and those of other African Americans was due to European blood. Thanks a bunch for straightening that one out, Zarahan. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ I hear Mathilda is nothing more than a desperate housewife in Scotland with no children (as is the case with most Euros in European countries) and so spends her time "studying" anthropology to use in pushing forth her euronut ideology. As one poster claimed, she needs to stop worrying about Africa and its history and worry about producing children for her negative birthrate country. LOL Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^sexist, alert ausar
Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hear Mathilda is nothing more than a desperate housewife in Scotland with no children (as is the case with most Euros in European countries) and so spends her time "studying" anthropology to use in pushing forth her euronut ideology. As one poster claimed, she needs to stop worrying about Africa and its history and worry about producing children for her negative birthrate country. LOL
Unfortunately for Scotland I could swear I read her bragging about having a kid on youtube - as well as taking some "anthropology" courses. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Well she needs to focus on her child instead of Africa since everything she writes on the subject is erroneous.
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: ^^^^sexist, alert ausar
And exactly what is so sexist about what I said? Make no mistake, if Mathilda were a man I would have a few choice words about his manhood as well. Don't get mad cuz I'm talking about YOUR mistress whom you serve as well all know. LOL According to Dana you too are a white Euro-chick and so no doubt not contributing to "replenishing" your population while the Muslim immigrants are outgrowing you. LOL Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Well she needs to focus on her child instead of Africa since everything she writes on the subject is erroneous.
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: ^^^^sexist, alert ausar
And exactly what is so sexist about what I said? Make no mistake, if Mathilda were a man I would have a few choice words about his manhood as well. Don't get mad cuz I'm talking about YOUR mistress whom you serve as well all know. LOL According to Dana you too are a white Euro-chick and so no doubt not contributing to "replenishing" your population while the Muslim immigrants are outgrowing you. LOL
Actually I don't know what she is, nor do I care but since her profile originally said from Sweden andif she does have any African in her she's obviously been living there too long. Posted by sitabanu (Member # 18231) on :
Modern Tigrai – Ancient Kerma Mt-DNA ‘T1’ mutations plus inheritance L3e2b – 16189C:
“The Tigrai T1a sequence matches a Kerma sequence from Nubia (Krings et al. 1999), whereas the Amhara T1b sequence shows a mutation at np 16320 on top of the common founder haplotype in the Near East (Richards et al. 2000).” South Asia.
“Five of the six T2 sequences detected among Amhara and Tigrai samples shared a transition at np 16292 that is widespread in the haplogroup T context in Europe, the Near East, and North Africa. However, two Tigrai T2 sequences share a combination of four downstream HVS-I mutations that have not been reported elsewhere.”
This reads widespread …Europe, Near East, North Africa, which includes Sudan and Ethiopia. The North African sequences are differentiated from the European and Near Eastern sequences making them Afro-Asian as these mutations are found in a mix of haplotypes defined above. This does not make them ‘European-Caucasian’ but Africans of an evolved genotype with an essentially unchanged phenotype.
Kingdom of Axsum :
Tigrai/Tigray : "Tigray is bordered by Eritrea to the north (independent from Ethiopia since 1993), Gondar to the west, the Afar Region to the east, and the Amhara Region to the south and southwest.[1] Besides Mek'ele, other major cities in Tigray include Abiy Addi, Adigrat, Adwa, Aksum, Inda Selassie, Korem, Maychew, Wukro, Qwiha and Zalambessa, as well as the historically significant town of Yeha." Can you say Yehawas? Yehawa? Yehava? Yehova?
"The development of Kerma was contemporaneous with the C-Group in Lower Nubia. While Egypt was concerning itself with the control of Lower Nubia and the C-Group, Kerma was slowly developing its trade and culture beyond this buffer zone. There were three periods of the Kerma culture - Old Kerma, Middle Kerma and Classic Kerma. By c.1650 BC, Kerma had become densely populated and controlled a centralized state stretching from at least the First to the Fourth Cataracts. It was during the mid to latter part of the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt and during the Classic Period of Kerma that saw the apex of its wealth and power. Kerma was sacked in c.1500 BC, when the whole region became part of the Egyptian New Kingdom empire."
“They swept over the mountains, over the Nile, without limit. This is the first time we’ve got evidence. Far from Egypt being the supreme power of the Nile Valley, clearly Kush was at that time.
“Had they stayed to occupy Egypt, the Kushites might have eliminated it. That’s how close Egypt came to extinction. But the Egyptians were resilient enough to survive, and shortly afterwards inaugurated the great imperial age known as the New Kingdom. The Kushites weren’t interested in occupation. They went raiding for precious objects, a symbol of domination. They did a lot of damage.”
The inscription was found between two internal chambers in a rock-cut tomb that was covered in soot and dirt. It appeared gradually as the grime was removed.
Mr Davies said: “I thought it would be a religious text, but it turned out to be historical. Gradually, a real narrative emerged, a brand new text inscribed in red paint, reading from right to left.”
The tomb belonged to Sobeknakht, a Governor of El Kab, an important provincial capital during the latter part of the 17th Dynasty (about 1575-1550BC).
The inscription describes a ferocious invasion of Egypt by armies from Kush and its allies from the south, including the land of Punt, on the southern coast of the Red Sea. It says that vast territories were affected and describes Sobeknakht’s heroic role in organising a counter-attack.
The text takes the form of an address to the living by Sobeknakht: “Listen you, who are alive upon earth . . . Kush came . . . aroused along his length, he having stirred up the tribes of Wawat . . . the land of Punt and the Medjewi. . .” It describes the decisive role played by “the might of the great one, Nekhbet”, the vulture-goddess of El Kab, as “strong of heart against the Nubians, who were burnt through fire”, while the “chief of the nomads fell through the blast of her flame”.
This is also important since it shows that Medjewi, i.e., renamed Meroe by the Romans was also very much a force and goes back further as read 1550 BC than the texts from 800 – 350 BC .
"As a direct result of these and other excavations, Sudan is emerging as one of the most significant archaeological regions in the world. Due to the country’s superbly preserved archaeology, it has yielded evidence of early cattle domestication that pre-dates any in Egypt’s Nile Valley. What’s more, the earliest Sudanese civilisation – known as Ta-Sety (“the Land of the Archers’ Bow”) to the ancient Egyptians and Kerma to modern archaeologists – is the most ancient African urban culture outside the Land of the Pharaohs. It flourished as a totally independent political entity for at least 15 centuries – until finally, around 1500 B.C., it was conquered by the Pharaohs of Egypt."
:roll: "What’s clear is that Kerma’s civilisation emerged out of an ancient pastoral culture that had flourished in that part of Sudan since at least 7000 B.C. when the first settlements were established. Nearby Kerma archaeologists have discovered one of the two oldest cemeteries ever found in Africa – dating back to 7500 B.C. – and the oldest evidence of cattle domestication ever found in Sudan or, indeed, in the Egyptian Nile Valley. Around 3000 BC a town grew up not far from the Neolithic dwellings place."
"However, it appears that the search for Punt may have come to an end according to new research which claims to prove that it was located in Eritrea/East Ethiopia. Live baboons were among the goods that we know the Egyptians got from Punt. The research team included Professor Salima Ikram from the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, and Professor Nathaniel Dominy and graduate student Gillian Leigh Moritz, both from the University of California, Santa Cruz.
The team studied two baboon mummies in the British Museum. By analysing hairs from these baboons using oxygen isotope analysis, they were able to work out where they originated. Oxygen isotopes act as a 'signal' that can let scientists know where they came from. Depending on the environment an animal lived in, the ratio of different isotopes of oxygen will be different. “Oxygen tends to vary as a function of rainfall and the water composition of plants and seed,” said Professor Nathaniel Dominy of UC Santa Cruz.
Only one of the two baboons was suitable for the research – the other had spent time in Thebes as an exotic pet, and so its isotopic data had been distorted. Working on the baboon discovered in the Valley of the Kings, the researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren. Although isotope values in baboons in Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique did not match, those in Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia were closely matched.
“All of our specimens in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.
The team were unable to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. However, Professor Dominy reasoned that “We can tell, based on the isotopic maps of the region, that a baboon from Yemen would look an awful lot like a baboon from Somalia isotopically.” As Somalia is definitely not the place of origin for the baboon, this suggests that Yemen is not the place of origin either.
He concluded that “We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”
The team also think that they may have discovered the location of the harbour that the Egyptians would have used to export the baboons and other goods back to Egypt. Dominy points to an area just outside the modern city of Massawa: “We have a specimen from that same harbour and that specimen is a very good match to the mummy.”
Next, the team hopes to get the British Museum’s permission to take a pea-sized sample of bone from the baboon mummy and use it strontium isotope testing. This would hopefully confirm Eritrea/Eastern Ethiopia as the baboon’s origin and narrow down its location more specifically."
Posted by kikuyu2 (Member # 19316) on :
The OP is a classic example of what I referred to earlier. IDK if anyone has addressed this issue before.I've looked but haven't seen this specific question before:why do certain posters make a career of denying black history? When their trite racial arguments are demolished they go quiet,reload outdated or distorted info from the likes of the aptly-named Coon and rush back. This happens on almost every thread leading me to ask is there a deliberate attempt by MSM Eurocentrics to distort history? OR are these forumers we need not name merely propelled by shared emotional issues? I ask ,because the energy these people put into their endless internet intifadas denying logic is at first hilarious but on deeper analysis perhaps indicates more serious underlying issues. What says ES?
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